Trump Refuses To Attend Daily Briefs

[bbw1230]

What an arrogant, naive, foolish, and completely ignorant thing for a president-elect to refuse to do. He should be in these meetings every day learning about potential threats and how the world works!
Today he took a call from Taiwan, without consulting anyone. Something that hasn't been done since the 70's! This is a right he doesn't have as president-elect. Apparently he's preoccupied with his "thank you" tour and simply doesn't care to understand the job.

[larbud]

Give the ****ing Man a chance....I know all the people that are educated and let the gubmint take care of them are scared fng shtless but us dumb mfers that bought bac at 4 bucks cause we got balls and take care of "us "are happier than pigs in ****.. Sayin....

[Buffalo Jim]

What an arrogant, naive, foolish, and completely ignorant thing for a president-elect to refuse to do. He should be in these meetings every day learning about potential threats and how the world works!
Today he took a call from Taiwan, without consulting anyone. Something that hasn't been done since the 70's! This is a right he doesn't have as president-elect. Apparently he's preoccupied with his "thank you" tour and simply doesn't care to understand the job.

How is it that you get factual inside information as to exactly what the President-Elect does and does not do each day . Are you part of his Secret Service detail ?
Or are you getting your information from the same fine journalists who strongly stated that he could never ever win ?
By the way Obama`s transition was a very poorly organized mess . Trump is very business-like .And by the way -- your president hasn`t been attending daily briefings for quite some time so what do you have to say about that little factoid ?

[Don Baldwin]

How is it that you get factual inside information as to exactly what the President-Elect does and does not do each day . Are you part of his Secret Service detail ?
Or are you getting your information from the same fine journalists who strongly stated that he could never ever win ?
By the way Obama`s transition was a very poorly organized mess . Trump is very business-like .And by the way -- your president hasn`t been attending daily briefings for quite some time so what do you have to say about that little factoid ?

Don't hold your breath...liberals KNOW what everyone else thinks/does...they just do.

Alas...you suffer from the same hypocrisy as they do...you don't KNOW what Obama does either...because YOU are not there to say whether he takes the briefing or not.

My opinion of the "briefings" is...since none of them seem to care about them...it's all bullsh!t...it's todays "story line"...todays "shooting schedule". Todays script changes.

I think most international "news" is propaganda to justify the political/war machines existence. It's hard to justify the worlds largest and expensive military without "enemies" that we must be protected from.

[rubicon]

Trump is doing what good executives do he is delegating so that he doesn't lose overall sight of priorities as they come forth. Just because he is not attending does not me he is being informed of serious issues.

Bear in mind there are people out there ,foreign and domestic, whose only purpose in life is to make Trump look bad at any cost. they will lie, exaggerate, misinform, ignore pertinent facts.

Its why Trump took CNN and other news agencies to task. I didn't like his approach but you can't blame him because you can actually see the perspiration of hate streaming from the lips of guys like Wolfe Blitzer, Rachel Maddow, Don Lemon when they speak about Trump. that is not good journalism. May I add Megan Kelly seems to be joining this crowd

Personal Best Regards:

[ColdNoMore]

What an arrogant, naive, foolish, and completely ignorant thing for a president-elect to refuse to do. He should be in these meetings every day learning about potential threats and how the world works!
Today he took a call from Taiwan, without consulting anyone. Something that hasn't been done since the 70's! This is a right he doesn't have as president-elect. Apparently he's preoccupied with his "thank you" tour and simply doesn't care to understand the job.

I hear you, but on the other hand I don't think Trump has the capacity (or willingness?) to comprehend the ramifications of what he would be told...so maybe it doesn't really make a difference if he's there. :shrug:

One of the most dangerous things that Trump has done even before he's POTUS, is to ignore the information he was given by our intelligence agencies regarding Russia's actions.

Not only ignored, but he attempted to make excuses for a country that we haven't trusted (rightfully so)... for about 70 years now.

And then by Bannon's appointment, he has shown us and the world that he is more interested in lies/rumors/innuendo...than the truth.

As a business person this behavior is no big deal and doesn't affect the average citizen, but as the leader of the free world...it should scare the chit out of every single American.

The fact that it doesn't...is even scarier. :ohdear:

[MDLNB]

This is exactly what Obama did in his first year, miss his morning intelligence briefings. What's the big deal? After all, when we complained about it, you all said all was good, that it didn't matter. Guess the shoe is on the other foot now. But, if you need to act out because you lost we'll understand. At least WE waited until Obie was sworn in before we started throwing stones at him for missing his briefings.

[Cedwards38]

Give the ****ing Man a chance....I know all the people that are educated and let the gubmint take care of them are scared fng shtless but us dumb mfers that bought bac at 4 bucks cause we got balls and take care of "us "are happier than pigs in ****.. Sayin....

Thanks for your contribution. There for a moment I thought this thread might actually be a civil and articulate discussion of the leadership of our country and the issues we face, but you made a mockery of that.

[Don Baldwin]

Thanks for your contribution. There for a moment I thought this thread might actually be a civil and articulate discussion of the leadership of our country and the issues we face, but you made a mockery of that.

Civil when describing the psychopathic liars and thieves who steal from us daily?

Trump will be more of the same, he'll loot the treasury too...they ALL do.

[jimbo2012]

Get used to it, also take the negatives with a grain of salt.

He will be doings things in way a great CEO does them, no nonsense get it done.

CNN is number one on not reporting their rating are dropping.

Fox is #1 on cable news. (I think Kelly like to get jabs in) still is P*ssed says all is cool but it isn't.

Best one is Obama blaming Fox for Hilly's loss

Look to twitter for feedback also :read:
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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com & twitter


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[Chi-Town]

Give the ****ing Man a chance....I know all the people that are educated and let the gubmint take care of them are scared fng shtless but us dumb mfers that bought bac at 4 bucks cause we got balls and take care of "us "are happier than pigs in ****.. Sayin....
LBud, your rant is a perfect example of why Trump loves you.

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[janmcn]

This is exactly what Obama did in his first year, miss his morning intelligence briefings. What's the big deal? After all, when we complained about it, you all said all was good, that it didn't matter. Guess the shoe is on the other foot now. But, if you need to act out because you lost we'll understand. At least WE waited until Obie was sworn in before we started throwing stones at him for missing his briefings.

The proof is in the pudding. President Obama has kept this country safe from attack for 99% of his term. Will Trump have the same record?

The briefings are called the 'Presidential Daily Brief' for a reason. The key word here is presidential. This is not something that should be assigned to some underling.

Trump has set off an international crisis because he took a phone call from Taiwan, which has been totally against state department protocol for almost 40 years.

He could have read all about it had he checked the state department website, which even a fourth grader could have done.

[Chi-Town]

Simple solution. They should tweet the daily briefings at 3:00 a.m.

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[janmcn]

Simple solution. They should tweet the daily briefings at 3:00 a.m.

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And tell Trump Putin is on the phone.

[jimbo2012]

Are naive or what?

Of course he reviews the briefings, more BS

"Interesting how the U.S. sells Taiwan billions of dollars of military equipment but I should not accept a congratulatory call from Taiwan not FROM Trump"

international crisis hardly unless MSM told you that.

Protocols will be re-written, he ran as a change candidate.

Maintaining the status quo is the best policy for Taiwanese President Tsai Ing-wen amid the cross-strait stalemate.

The biggest question facing Taiwan is what Trump’s Asia diplomacy will look like and how Taipei should respond to a complicated post-Obama world order.

In the first place, Trump’s win is a setback for Tsai in that her independence-leaning Democratic Progressive Party bet on a Hillary Clinton win from the start.

http://www.scmp.com/sites/default/files/styles/660x385/public/images/methode/2016/11/26/0cec465e-b213-11e6-b17d-d6b2ebc6f34a_660x385.JPG?itok=n4KDYmvj

[Bill Clinton delivers a speech in Taipei, Taiwan.


The reasons for that bet were simple. First, Taiwan had closer relations with the Clintons during Bill Clinton’s presidency between 1993 and 2001, which overlapped with Lee Teng-hui’s presidency in Taiwan between 1988 and 2000. The former US president had visited Taiwan several times as governor of Arkansas and after he left the White House, despite Beijing’s protests. Tsai and the DPP have no personal links with Trump.

Second, Trump’s pledge to kill the China-excluding Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) trade pact and his isolationist foreign policy stance will probably hurt Taiwan’s interests.

It might be music to Taiwan’s ears that the Republican National Convention included on this year’s election platform – for the first time – the “six assurances” that former president Ronald Reagan gave to Taiwan in 1982. It could also help that the previous DPP government under Chen Shui-bian between 2000 and 2008 built closer contact with a Republican US administration under George W. Bush.

And diplomatic observers might note that the Taiwan-US relationship is much deeper than just the executive branches, and the self-ruled island has long enjoyed bipartisan support on Capitol Hill.

A third of US senators belong to the Taiwan caucus, along with about half of 435 US representatives.

But the big question is whether Trump, a political novice with no strong link to the Washington establishment, will follow the party line or rely on professionals for his foreign and defence policy as all his predecessors did.

The US and Chinese economies are deeply dependent on each other, and under his “America first” mantra, Trump is unlikely to strain that relationship because of commitments Congress and previous administrations have made to Taiwan.

So the biggest uncertainty underpinning Taiwan’s diplomacy from now on hinges on whether Trump will prevail over the whole established litany, or just follow precedent.

Cary Huang, a senior writer with the South China Morning Post,

[MDLNB]

The proof is in the pudding. President Obama has kept this country safe from attack for 99% of his term. Will Trump have the same record?

The briefings are called the 'Presidential Daily Brief' for a reason. The key word here is presidential. This is not something that should be assigned to some underling.

Trump has set off an international crisis because he took a phone call from Taiwan, which has been totally against state department protocol for almost 40 years.

He could have read all about it had he checked the state department website, which even a fourth grader could have done.

He received a phone call from Taiwan, big deal. It was to congratulate him on his election WIN. Only liberals are making a big deal out of it, in lieu of anything else that's really of importance.

Obama didn't take intel briefings for the first year of his first term. Trump hasn't even been sworn in yet. The world is still Obama's responsibility, not Trump's.

Sounds like someone is nit picking.

[MDLNB]

Simple solution. They should tweet the daily briefings at 3:00 a.m.

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It didn't work for Obie. He missed most of his for the whole first year. Is he being given a free pass because he is only half-white?

[jimbo2012]

Obama didn't take intel briefings for the first year of his first term.

The re-emergence of the 'intelligence briefings' attack | MSNBC (http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/the-re-emergence-the-intelligence-briefings-attack)

Is President Obama 'Skipping' Intelligence Briefings? - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/is-president-obama-skipping-intelligence-briefings/)

[MDLNB]

The re-emergence of the 'intelligence briefings' attack | MSNBC (http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/the-re-emergence-the-intelligence-briefings-attack)

Is President Obama 'Skipping' Intelligence Briefings? - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/is-president-obama-skipping-intelligence-briefings/)

This makes it very difficult for liberals to argue against, being as both of those articles are from liberal news sources.

:boom: diggity :boom:..:boom:

[jimbo2012]

they will

[ColdNoMore]

LBud, your rant is a perfect example of why Trump loves you.

IKR? :D


Simple solution. They should tweet the daily briefings at 3:00 a.m.


Awesome! :1rotfl:

[Henryk]

...
Bear in mind there are people out there ,foreign and domestic, whose only purpose in life is to make Trump look bad at any cost. they will lie, exaggerate, misinform, ignore pertinent facts.

Personal Best Regards:

He needs no one to make him look bad. The pig's a train wreck all by himself. Wait and see...

[AJ32162]

He needs no one to make him look bad. The pig's a train wreck all by himself. Wait and see...

Well, Obama set the bar pretty low, so ANYTHING Trump does will be an improvement over Obama.:D

:wave:

[janmcn]

He received a phone call from Taiwan, big deal. It was to congratulate him on his election WIN. Only liberals are making a big deal out of it, in lieu of anything else that's really of importance.

Obama didn't take intel briefings for the first year of his first term. Trump hasn't even been sworn in yet. The world is still Obama's responsibility, not Trump's.

Sounds like someone is nit picking.


China lodges protest after Trump call with Taiwan president - AOL News (http://www.aol.com/article/news/2016/12/03/china-lodges-protest-after-trump-call-with-taiwan-president/21619767/)


If this is nitpicking, why is China being so sensitive about Taiwan?

[rubicon]

This is exactly what Obama did in his first year, miss his morning intelligence briefings. What's the big deal? After all, when we complained about it, you all said all was good, that it didn't matter. Guess the shoe is on the other foot now. But, if you need to act out because you lost we'll understand. At least WE waited until Obie was sworn in before we started throwing stones at him for missing his briefings.

If you can believe what you read anywhere today it wasn't only the first year that Obama missed intelligence briefings it was simply often.

Personal Best Regards:

[MDLNB]

Well, Obama set the bar pretty low, so ANYTHING Trump does will be an improvement over Obama.:D

:wave:

Totally! :thumbup:

[janmcn]

If you can believe what you read anywhere today it wasn't only the first year that Obama missed intelligence briefings it was simply often.

Personal Best Regards:


And yet, the US has not been attacked under Obama's watch, with less than two months to go, unlike W Bush who ignored the PDB dated Aug 6, 2001 that read Osama Bin Laden determined to attack US. Bush's reply "Okay you CYA, now go".

[AJ32162]

China lodges protest after Trump call with Taiwan president - AOL News (http://www.aol.com/article/news/2016/12/03/china-lodges-protest-after-trump-call-with-taiwan-president/21619767/)


If this is nitpicking, why is China being so sensitive about Taiwan?

Because China is trying to make a point, just like the US does when we file a protest after Chinese planes 'buzz' US ships in international waters.

[MDLNB]

China lodges protest after Trump call with Taiwan president - AOL News (http://www.aol.com/article/news/2016/12/03/china-lodges-protest-after-trump-call-with-taiwan-president/21619767/)


If this is nitpicking, why is China being so sensitive about Taiwan?

Yep, what I said....nit picking. Taiwan is a friend, whereas China is a friendly enemy. Being liberal with the use of friendly.

China does not recognize Taiwan as a separate country. It still claims Taiwan as part of China. If you look at history, we have come close to war with China over our protection of Taiwan many times.

It would have been more of an insult to ignore the call, and then you would be disparaging Trump for being unprofessional and inconsiderate. Time to get over your loss and wait until you have a valid complaint before throwing stones.

[AJ32162]

And yet, the US has not been attacked under Obama's watch, with less than two months to go, unlike W Bush who ignored the PDB dated Aug 6, 2001 that read Osama Bin Laden determined to attack US. Bush's reply "Okay you CYA, now go".

Oh, really? I guess when you call a terrorist attack (e.g., Fort Hood) "workplace violence", you can falsely claim just about anything can't you?

[MDLNB]

And yet, the US has not been attacked under Obama's watch, with less than two months to go, unlike W Bush who ignored the PDB dated Aug 6, 2001 that read Osama Bin Laden determined to attack US. Bush's reply "Okay you CYA, now go".

More ignorant BS, from the liberal peanut gallery.

The enemy is not going to attack it's greatest ally, Obama. As long as Obie bows to his Muslim brethren, his weakness will preclude most attacks. That does not preclude all of the domestic terrorist attacks by radical Islamics.

Are you really that ignorant or just plain stupid to think that Bush would have ignored a valid threat of attack? Not even you are that stupid, or are you?

[Chi-Town]

Are you really that ignorant or just plain stupid to think that Bush would have ignored a valid threat of attack? Not even you are that stupid, or are you?

That ignorant, plain stupid, that stupid, and Bush in two sentences. Make sense.


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[janmcn]

More ignorant BS, from the liberal peanut gallery.

The enemy is not going to attack it's greatest ally, Obama. As long as Obie bows to his Muslim brethren, his weakness will preclude most attacks. That does not preclude all of the domestic terrorist attacks by radical Islamics.

Are you really that ignorant or just plain stupid to think that Bush would have ignored a valid threat of attack? Not even you are that stupid, or are you?


Bush's PDB is well documented and testified about by former Sec of State Condi Rice under oath before congress

[MDLNB]

And yet, the US has not been attacked under Obama's watch, with less than two months to go, unlike W Bush who ignored the PDB dated Aug 6, 2001 that read Osama Bin Laden determined to attack US. Bush's reply "Okay you CYA, now go".

So, if Obie missed his Intel briefings and did not have an attack under his watch, what are you liberals complaining about? If Trump missed briefings before sworn in, and Obie missed years of them, then all is good RIGHT?

Can't have it both ways, SUCKER.

[MDLNB]

Bush's PDB is well documented and testified about by former Sec of State Condi Rice under oath before congress

You have no clue as to what you are even talking about.

[MDLNB]

Bill Clinton could have killed Bin Laden in 1998 and didn't. Then we had 9/11. Does that make him responsible for it? Does that make him as responsible as Bush, or MORE? After all, he might have saved 3,000 lives if he would have killed the scumbag.

[Chi-Town]

Well, Obama set the bar pretty low, so ANYTHING Trump does will be an improvement over Obama.:D

:wave:
Do you get out much? From Politico:

The latest numbers show the president-elect will in fact inherit a fairly robust economy with the lowest jobless rate in nearly a decade, record home and stock prices and a healthy growth rate.

It’s a radically different position from the one President-elect Barack Obama found himself in 2008 with markets crashing, the financial crisis spinning out of control and joblessness headed toward 10 percent.

Trump instead will take office with an economy near full employment and wages and spending rising. The economy is in such strong shape that the Federal Reserve is likely to raise interest rates again later this month to try and cool things off.

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[janmcn]

So, if Obie missed his Intel briefings and did not have an attack under his watch, what are you liberals complaining about? If Trump missed briefings before sworn in, and Obie missed years of them, then all is good RIGHT?

Can't have it both ways, SUCKER.



Only in the alternate universe does Obama miss his Intel briefings. Do a search of Bush's Aug 6, 2001 PDB and you will get 3,050,000 hits, then choose your source.


bush's aug 6, 2001 pdb - Bing images (https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=bush's+aug+6%2c+2001+pdb&qpvt=bush%27s+aug+6%2c+2001+pdb&qpvt=bush%27s+aug+6%2c+2001+pdb&qpvt=bush%27s+aug+6%2c+2001+pdb&FORM=IGRE)
Bill Clinton could have killed Bin Laden in 1998 and didn't. Then we had 9/11. Does that make him responsible for it? Does that make him as responsible as Bush, or MORE? After all, he might have saved 3,000 lives if he would have killed the scumbag.



Bill Clinton never went to war in the wrong country killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people and costing the US five trillion dollars.

[janmcn]

Do you get out much? From Politico:

The latest numbers show the president-elect will in fact inherit a fairly robust economy with the lowest jobless rate in nearly a decade, record home and stock prices and a healthy growth rate.

It’s a radically different position from the one President-elect Barack Obama found himself in 2008 with markets crashing, the financial crisis spinning out of control and joblessness headed toward 10 percent.

Trump instead will take office with an economy near full employment and wages and spending rising. The economy is in such strong shape that the Federal Reserve is likely to raise interest rates again later this month to try and cool things off.

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And the lowest uninsured rate in US history.

[jimbo2012]

Trump instead will take office with an economy near full employment

Are you kidding, the nubers reported are only those collecting unemployment not millions who are still unemployed unable to get unemployment and gave up.

[MDLNB]

Do you get out much? From Politico:

The latest numbers show the president-elect will in fact inherit a fairly robust economy with the lowest jobless rate in nearly a decade, record home and stock prices and a healthy growth rate.

It’s a radically different position from the one President-elect Barack Obama found himself in 2008 with markets crashing, the financial crisis spinning out of control and joblessness headed toward 10 percent.

Trump instead will take office with an economy near full employment and wages and spending rising. The economy is in such strong shape that the Federal Reserve is likely to raise interest rates again later this month to try and cool things off.

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Chi, you finally crawl out of your shell and make more than a one liner and you screw it all up.

Please go to the BoLS and get yourself armed with some real statistics so that you won't look so pitiful.

There are over 14 million more Americans not in the labor force than in 2008. And what's today's population?

There are almost 3 million more at poverty level than 2008

There is over 10 million more food stamp recipients than in 2008.

This is the only administration in history that did not have a yearly average GDP growth of 3%. A record, but not a good record.

And you suggest that Trump is going to get a gift from Obie? Sorry, but this is the predominant reason Trump got elected, because of the terrible economy.

[MDLNB]

Only in the alternate universe does Obama miss his Intel briefings. Do a search of Bush's Aug 6, 2001 PDB and you will get 3,050,000 hits, then choose your source.


Bill Clinton never went to war in the wrong country killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people and costing the US five trillion dollars.

I kinda thought you knew how to use a search engine until you said Obama did not miss his intel briefings. CBS, ABC, etc. all suggest otherwise, but they are liberal news sources so you might not consider them valid. There are others.

CLinton? Wrong country? How about Bosnia? He said we would be out of there in six months. You know, that place where Hillary was shot at....:a20:

If he would have killed Bin Laden in the ten or so times he had a chance and denied authorization, then we would not have had 9/11. He even admitted that he could have killed him.

By the way, I won't get into our reason for being in Iraq with you, because you would lose and it would be a waste of my effort.

I want to applaud your attempt and success for deviating of the subject. I realize that it isn't one that you can win when comparing Trump with Obie and their taking or not taking their Intel briefings.

Before asking me to prove that Obie missed his briefings, do a quick search and save me a minute or two of unappreciated effort. Believe me, you will find sufficient articles addressing the issue.

[ColdNoMore]

Are you kidding, the nubers reported are only those collecting unemployment not millions who are still unemployed unable to get unemployment and gave up.

The way the 'statistics' are gathered/presented...haven't changed in over 20 years.

So I guess what you're really saying, is that during The Shrub's reign (as we were in the Great Recession)...he was even more inept than we knew?

And here I thought he couldn't have been any worse...LOL :wave:

[MDLNB]

The way the 'statistics' are gathered/presented...haven't changed in over 20 years.

So I guess what you're really saying, is that during The Shrub's reign (as we were in the Great Recession)...he was even more inept than we knew?

And here I thought he couldn't have been any worse...LOL :wave:

Actually, economists said that Bush had virtually FULL employment, at least until the last two years of his term. Hmmm, the democrats controlled congress in his last two years, too. Interesting.

[AJ32162]

Do you get out much? ...The economy is in such strong shape that the Federal Reserve is likely to raise interest rates again later this month to try and cool things off.

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Do you? The economy is limping along...at best. The Fed has been wanting to get back to their target rate of 2% inflation as a hedge against deflation should the economy falter, not because the economy is in "strong shape" as you suggest, but because it has been growing so slowly. The Fed is responsible for the growth (albeit pathetically slow) of the economy NOT Obama.

So, I ask you what has Obama done to stimulate the economy? Perhaps you can point to his failed $831 billion failed TARP program or his "shovel ready jobs".

[AJ32162]

The way the 'statistics' are gathered/presented...haven't changed in over 20 years.

So I guess what you're really saying, is that during The Shrub's reign (as we were in the Great Recession)...he was even more inept than we knew?

And here I thought he couldn't have been any worse...LOL :wave:

Oh, really?

U.S. changes how it measures long-term unemployment - USATODAY.com (http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-12-28-1Ajobless28_ST_N.htm)

[ColdNoMore]

Oh, really?

U.S. changes how it measures long-term unemployment - USATODAY.com (http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-12-28-1Ajobless28_ST_N.htm)

OK, I guess I shouldn't have worded it that way, but my assertion that the actual unemployment rate has not changed in the way it is calculated...is absolutely correct.

What you're conveniently omitting, is what changed...and why.

The change simply goes back further to capture those who have been unemployed for longer than 99 weeks...regarding "long-term unemployment."


Government To Change Way It Counts Long-Term Unemployed – Consumerist (https://consumerist.com/2010/12/28/government-to-change-way-it-counts-long-term-unemployed/)


If you’ve been unemployed 100 weeks or longer, you’re in luck. No, you’re not about to get a new job. But for the first time, the Bureau of Labor Statistics will accurately track the length of time you’ve been unemployed when calculating long-term unemployment. Previously, the agency had to check off “99 weeks or over” for anyone unemployed longer than two years. See, the recession isn’t all bad, is it?

The new system, which replaces one that’s been in place for over 30 years, won’t change the way the unemployment rate is calculated, and won’t provide the long-term unemployed with any additional benefits.

But it will allow economists to more accurately track how serious the current recession is when compared to previous downturns. As USA Today explains:

A two-year limit hampers economists’ ability to compare this recession’s effect on the job market with another severe one in the early 1980s, [economist Linda] Barrington says.

Although “this feels like something we’ve not experienced” since the Great Depression, she says, economists need more information to be sure.

The change will not affect how the unemployed are counted or the unemployment rate is computed nor how long those eligible for unemployment benefits receive them. Analysts call the move a sign of the times.

“We realize more and more people are unemployed longer than 99 weeks, so we need to break it down further,” [BLS spokesperson Stacey] Standish says.

Long-term unemployment has grown markedly over the past few years. The BLS says the average length of unemployment has increased from 29.4 weeks in November 2009 to 34.5 weeks last month. Nearly 10% of the USA’s 15.1 million jobless have been looking for work for two years or more.


So, in essence, it was even worse under Shrub...than anyone thought.

Thanks for bringing that up. :thumbup:

[ColdNoMore]

So, I ask you what has Obama done to stimulate the economy? Perhaps you can point to his failed $831 billion failed TARP program or his "shovel ready jobs".


http://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15337596_1332269250199459_4277104598549107790_n.jp g?oh=71f1aa04ff7586eb2059ced7e5e009f1&oe=58C28257

You're welcome. :wave:

[jimbo2012]

Believe this, it wasn't him, he just happened to be there.

Trump got the deal going before taking office have the smarts to call the Ceo at home on TG day

[Rockyrd]

Believe this, it wasn't him, he just happened to be there.

Trump got the deal going before taking office have the smarts to call the Ceo at home on TG day

Can you supply a link about that call Trump made ?

I would be interested. I read his Thanksgiving schedule, including his menu, and certainly could have missed it, but did not see it.

I know Pence, even before the campaign was working hard with Carrier.

But in any case, if you could share your source in that phone call it would be appreciated. All I can find is Trump tweet and no reference to any call.

Thanks.

[AJ32162]

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You're welcome. :wave:

You conveniently forgot to mention that the GM deal you liberals love to tout...cheated GM bond holders.

You're welcome.:D

[Rockyrd]

Believe this, it wasn't him, he just happened to be there.

Trump got the deal going before taking office have the smarts to call the Ceo at home on TG day

Let's keep it real. I hope he takes the economy through the roof, but let's not get carried away and let us stick with facts.

"Donald Trump is heading to the White House with a pledge to revive the U.S. economy and put millions of Americans back to work.

Based on the latest economic data, much of that goal has already been accomplished by President Barack Obama. That includes Friday's employment report that showed the unemployment rate had dropped to a nine year low of 4.6 percent."

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/30/obamas-biggest-parting-gift-to-trump-may-be-the-economy.html

"The government's November jobs report is expected on Friday to echo a slew of recent economic data confirming that President-elect Donald Trump will inherit a much sturdier economy than his predecessor did.

Economists have forecast that employers added a solid 174,000 jobs last month and that the unemployment rate remained a low 4.9 percent, according to a survey by data provider FactSet.

Those figures are far healthier than those President Barack Obama encountered after his election eight years ago. In late 2008, the unemployment rate was on its way to a 10 percent peak in October 2009, and employers would go on to eliminate 8.7 million jobs before the bleeding stopped in early 2010. Since then, the economy has added 15 million jobs and enjoyed its fourth-longest expansion ever.

Jobs Data Likely to Confirm Trump Will Inherit Solid Economy - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/jobs-data-confirm-trump-inherit-solid-economy-43922266)

[jimbo2012]

Can you supply a link about that call Trump made ?

I would be interested. I read his Thanksgiving schedule, including his menu, and certainly could have missed it, but did not see it.

I know Pence, even before the campaign was working hard with Carrier.

But in any case, if you could share your source in that phone call it would be appreciated. All I can find is Trump tweet and no reference to any call.

Thanks.

His twitter page

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump Nov 24

I am working hard, even on Thanksgiving, trying to get Carrier A.C. Company to stay in the U.S. (Indiana). MAKING PROGRESS - Will know soon!

Then Fox talked about for several days

[Rockyrd]

His twitter page

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump Nov 24

I am working hard, even on Thanksgiving, trying to get Carrier A.C. Company to stay in the U.S. (Indiana). MAKING PROGRESS - Will know soon!

Then Fox talked about for several days

You are telling me that Fox News said he phoned the CEO of Carrier on Thanksgiving day ?

Cannot find they ever reported that, and to me that is big news.

I will keep checking and use your Fox Report as a basis.

Trumps tweet did not mention any such thing by the way

Nothing in here on that phone call you report

Carrier says it has deal with Trump to keep jobs in Indiana | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/30/carrier-says-it-has-deal-with-trump-to-keep-jobs-in-indiana.html)

[AJ32162]

Let's keep it real. I hope he takes the economy through the roof, but let's not get carried away and let us stick with facts.

"Donald Trump is heading to the White House with a pledge to revive the U.S. economy and put millions of Americans back to work.

Based on the latest economic data, much of that goal has already been accomplished by President Barack Obama. That includes Friday's employment report that showed the unemployment rate had dropped to a nine year low of 4.6 percent."

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/30/obamas-biggest-parting-gift-to-trump-may-be-the-economy.html

"The government's November jobs report is expected on Friday to echo a slew of recent economic data confirming that President-elect Donald Trump will inherit a much sturdier economy than his predecessor did.

Economists have forecast that employers added a solid 174,000 jobs last month and that the unemployment rate remained a low 4.9 percent, according to a survey by data provider FactSet.

Those figures are far healthier than those President Barack Obama encountered after his election eight years ago. In late 2008, the unemployment rate was on its way to a 10 percent peak in October 2009, and employers would go on to eliminate 8.7 million jobs before the bleeding stopped in early 2010. Since then, the economy has added 15 million jobs and enjoyed its fourth-longest expansion ever.

Jobs Data Likely to Confirm Trump Will Inherit Solid Economy - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/jobs-data-confirm-trump-inherit-solid-economy-43922266)

Since you like to quote CNBC, you may appreciate the following quote:

"Most economists look past the official unemployment rate — that 4.9 percent figure, also know as the "U-3" number — to other metrics that provide their own views of the state of jobs."

"One of those figures is something called the U-6 rate, which has a broader definition of what unemployment means. That figure remained unchanged in August, at 9.7 percent."

Currently it is about 9.0 %.

References:
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/02/jobs-number-whats-the-real-unemployment-rate.html

Current U-6 Unemployment Rate (http://unemploymentdata.com/current-u6-unemployment-rate/)

[jimbo2012]

You are telling me that Fox News said he phoned the CEO of Carrier on Thanksgiving day ?

Cannot find they ever reported that, and to me that is big news.



I'm not teaching naysayers how to use Google unless you're buying the beer

[Rockyrd]

Since you like to quote CNBC, you may appreciate the following quote:

"Most economists look past the official unemployment rate — that 4.9 percent figure, also know as the "U-3" number — to other metrics that provide their own views of the state of jobs."

"One of those figures is something called the U-6 rate, which has a broader definition of what unemployment means. That figure remained unchanged in August, at 9.7 percent."

Reference:
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/02/jobs-number-whats-the-real-unemployment-rate.html

First, I link to WSJ, NYT, Fortune, Economist, or whomever is discussing a current topic, and not, as you imply, just CNBC.

I agree with them, and obviously, you missed my point. Posters were talking as if Obama inherited a great solid economy. He inherited, by ALL economists opinion, a total and complete mess. Check with all the folks who lost homes, retirements, etc and are still struggling.

Campaign is over..Trump is President. No more need to tout anything, just discuss facts.

He IS FACTUALLY inheriting a very much stronger economy.

Can it be improved..sure hope so. So many economists say it cannot show up to 4% GDP growth annually as the new President says. I sure hope he is right. But come on.....compare today to 8 years ago...not even close. Pat whomever you want on the back, but it HAS improved A LOT. Let's hope it keeps going in the same direction at the speed Trump,says.

[Rockyrd]

I'm not teaching naysayers how to use Google unless you're buying the beer

Smartass remark with no actual facts. Suggest maybe I could teach you, although unlike you, I make no bravado claims. I ASKED you for a link....you have none. End of story.

[ColdNoMore]

You conveniently forgot to mention that the GM deal you liberals love to tout...cheated GM bond holders.
Are you serious?

Coming from a supporter of the guy who cheats small contractors because he can and has filed bankruptcy numerous times, versus finding a way to protect an entire industry of which millions depend upon...is beyond being a hypocritical partisan hack. :oops:

Which means you've just proved my meme correct...thanks. :thumbup:

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You're very welcome. :wave:

[Don Baldwin]

You conveniently forgot to mention that the GM deal you liberals love to tout...cheated GM bond holders.

You're welcome.:D

They cheated EVERYONE...bond holders, stock holders...one day there was a "new" GM with all new owners...the original owners were left with nothing.

It's like one day, the house you paid for, is given to another family while you slept at night. You wake up and it's not your house any more...it was taken from you and given to another.

Corruption.

[AJ32162]

Are you serious?

Coming from a supporter of the guy who cheats small contractors because he can and has filed bankruptcy numerous times, versus finding a way to protect an entire industry of which millions depend upon...is beyond being a hypocritical partisan hack. :oops:

Which means you've just proved my meme correct...thanks. :thumbup:

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You're very welcome. :wave:

That's your response? That's it? In your mind Trump is worse so that justifies Obama's screwing the bond holders in the GM deal.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[ColdNoMore]

Smartass remark with no actual facts. Suggest maybe I could teach you, although unlike you, I make no bravado claims. I ASKED you for a link....you have none. End of story.

About the only thing you can say, is this poster is consistent... with their inability to back up their rumors and lies.

[ColdNoMore]

That's your response? That's it? In your mind Trump is worse so that justifies Obama's screwing of bond holders in the GM deal.
I don't even know why I bother with you, since you don't seem to be able to understand even simple things...but I'll try one more time. :ohdear:

How many other American citizens besides just the bondholders (not to mention the country's economy)...would have been devastated had GM not been bailed out?

I get that there are still people that are beyond pizzed that Obama's stewardship saved millions of jobs and that GM paid back most of the loans...but it's time to admit that it was the right thing to do.

Especially in light of those same people now lauding a guy who stiffs small business people...because he knows they don't have the resources to fight back.

That's simply being an azzhole bully...no more, no less.

[MDLNB]

First thing Obama did along with his stimulus was to cause the lay off of thousands of auto dealership employees. I guess liberals think that was cool, but those families didn't think so. He did such a great job with the GM deal. Wow, how he didn't get tar and feathered and run out of D.C. is anyone's guess.

Liberals are desperate to find something to gig Trump on. Well, don't worry because he will make mistakes. You don't make mistakes unless you are doing something, and Trump will be doing a lot of something.

SO, you liberal losers keep trying because even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

[AJ32162]

I don't even know why I bother with you, since you don't seem to be able to understand even simple things...but I'll try one more time. :ohdear:

How many other American citizens besides just the bondholders (not to mention the country's economy)...would have been devastated had GM not been bailed out?

I get that there are still people that are beyond pizzed that Obama's stewardship saved millions of jobs and that GM paid back most of the loans...but it's time to admit that it was the right thing to do.

Especially in light of those same people now lauding a guy who stiffs small business people...because he knows they don't have the resources to fight back.

That's simply being an azzhole bully...no more, no less.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Rockyrd]

First thing Obama did along with his stimulus was to cause the lay off of thousands of auto dealership employees. I guess liberals think that was cool, but those families didn't think so. He did such a great job with the GM deal. Wow, how he didn't get tar and feathered and run out of D.C. is anyone's guess.

Liberals are desperate to find something to gig Trump on. Well, don't worry because he will make mistakes. You don't make mistakes unless you are doing something, and Trump will be doing a lot of something.

SO, you liberal losers keep trying because even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Could you supply more detail on your post please, as it does not make sense.

First, how can anyone "gig" Trump. He hasn't done anything yet. Not a negative, he just is not Presidentet.

Auto dealers and employment follow the auto industry...no ? Auto industry was dying.

Not defending anyone, just curious if you could speak to the point you are making.

If you are simply disregarding the loss of IRAs, etc and saying auto dealerships suffered more, you will get profound disagreement. Millions of people working today who thought they would be retired and millions more flat out will never ever retire.

I really suggest you do some reading...what happened in 2008 was horrible, and devastating to all aspects of this economy.

[AJ32162]

Could you supply more detail on your post please, as it does not make sense.

First, how can anyone "gig" Trump. He hasn't done anything yet. Not a negative, he just is not Presidentet.

Auto dealers and employment follow the auto industry...no ? Auto industry was dying.

Not defending anyone, just curious if you could speak to the point you are making.

If you are simply disregarding the loss of IRAs, etc and saying auto dealerships suffered more, you will get profound disagreement. Millions of people working today who thought they would be retired and millions more flat out will never ever retire.

I really suggest you do some reading...what happened in 2008 was horrible, and devastating to all aspects of this economy.

TARP audit claims Obama admin destroyed “tens of thousands” of jobs in dealer closures << Hot Air (http://hotair.com/archives/2010/07/19/tarp-audit-claims-obama-admin-destroyed-tens-of-thousands-of-jobs-in-dealer-closures/)

[Rockyrd]

TARP audit claims Obama admin destroyed “tens of thousands” of jobs in dealer closures << Hot Air (http://hotair.com/archives/2010/07/19/tarp-audit-claims-obama-admin-destroyed-tens-of-thousands-of-jobs-in-dealer-closures/)

Fair enough if the opinion is correct.

As Someone said here...mistakes will happen.

It was a horrible time, and behind us. Let's look forward and hope Trump is able to pull off what he says.

[MDLNB]

Fair enough if the opinion is correct.

As Someone said here...mistakes will happen.

It was a horrible time, and behind us. Let's look forward and hope Trump is able to pull off what he says.

Something like 30,000 jobs were lost when Obama had dealerships closed.

I'm just going to assume that you will look it up, since you questioned it. I'm not going to be snide with you, but I think you may have jumped the gun when you replied to me. A lot of folks have conveniently or just plain forgot a lot of what happened in the first year of Obama.

[Rockyrd]

Something like 30,000 jobs were lost when Obama had dealerships closed.

I'm just going to assume that you will look it up, since you questioned it. I'm not going to be snide with you, but I think you may have jumped the gun when you replied to me. A lot of folks have conveniently or just plain forgot a lot of what happened in the first year of Obama.

No sniping necessary.

If, and I say IF because you reference that Malik's site whose career has been spearheading the Tea Party attacks, sometimes accurate, sometimes not.

Point is ONE job is important, and all I am saying...what this country faced in 2008!was of epic proportions...I mean epic and to this day, we still have repercussions. Did everything Obama do work...he'll no, and he will and has said that. It was the biggest economic low point since the Great Depression.

But again, not sure what point you are trying to make. Obama did not cause the depression..that is a fact.

I just do not understand this discussion.

Why are we not talking about the future ? Obama did NOT cause the economic depression, and we are better off for Trump than we were when Obama took office. Why would you even want to debate that..NOT debatable.

Let's watch and see what changes Trump makes and hope we soar.

[Maxamillion]

That's your response? That's it? In your mind Trump is worse so that justifies Obama's screwing the bond holders in the GM deal.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
Are you so sure it was Obama and not Bush?

[Don Baldwin]

Are you so sure it was Obama and not Bush?

It was the SYSTEM...the government system of theft and corruption. The "system" GAVE the banks over $ trillion.

Obama had the watch, he COULD have stopped it. Bond and shareholders were ROBBED by the government who took "their company" and GAVE it to others.

"The company received $33 billion in debtor-in-possession financing to complete the process.[5] GM filed for Chapter 11 reorganization in the Manhattan New York federal bankruptcy court on June 1, 2009 at approximately 8:00 am EST. June 1, 2009 was the deadline to supply an acceptable viability plan to the U.S. Treasury. The filing reported US$82.29 billion in assets and US$172.81 billion in debt.[6][7] [8][9][10]

After the Chapter 11 filing, effective Monday, June 8, 2009, GM was removed from the Dow Jones Industrial Average and replaced by Cisco Systems. From Tuesday 2 June, old GM stock has traded Over the Counter (Pink Sheets/OTCBB), initially under the symbol GMGMQ[11] and currently under the symbol MTLQQ.

On July 10, 2009, a new entity completed the purchase of continuing operations, assets and trademarks of GM as a part of the 'pre-packaged' Chapter 11 reorganization.[12][13] As ranked by total assets, GM's bankruptcy marks one of the largest corporate Chapter 11 bankruptcies in U.S. history. The Chapter 11 filing was the fourth-largest in U.S. history, following Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc., Washington Mutual and WorldCom Inc.[14] A new entity with the backing of the United States Treasury was formed to acquire profitable assets, under section 363 of the Bankruptcy Code, with the new company planning to issue an initial public offering (IPO) of stock in 2010.[15] The remaining pre-petition creditors claims are paid from the former corporation's assets."

General Motors Chapter 11 reorganization - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_Chapter_11_reorganization)

[graciegirl]

What an arrogant, naive, foolish, and completely ignorant thing for a president-elect to refuse to do. He should be in these meetings every day learning about potential threats and how the world works!
Today he took a call from Taiwan, without consulting anyone. Something that hasn't been done since the 70's! This is a right he doesn't have as president-elect. Apparently he's preoccupied with his "thank you" tour and simply doesn't care to understand the job.

Marsha, Marsha, Marsha.


Grace Gantner here.

[MDLNB]

What an arrogant, naive, foolish, and completely ignorant thing for a president-elect to refuse to do. He should be in these meetings every day learning about potential threats and how the world works!
Today he took a call from Taiwan, without consulting anyone. Something that hasn't been done since the 70's! This is a right he doesn't have as president-elect. Apparently he's preoccupied with his "thank you" tour and simply doesn't care to understand the job.

Marsha? Having more hot flashes?

[Warren Kiefer]

This is exactly what Obama did in his first year, miss his morning intelligence briefings. What's the big deal? After all, when we complained about it, you all said all was good, that it didn't matter. Guess the shoe is on the other foot now. But, if you need to act out because you lost we'll understand. At least WE waited until Obie was sworn in before we started throwing stones at him for missing his briefings.

absolutely FALSE.

[Don Baldwin]

What an arrogant, naive, foolish, and completely ignorant thing for a president-elect to refuse to do. He should be in these meetings every day learning about potential threats and how the world works!
Today he took a call from Taiwan, without consulting anyone. Something that hasn't been done since the 70's! This is a right he doesn't have as president-elect. Apparently he's preoccupied with his "thank you" tour and simply doesn't care to understand the job.

Maybe the "threats" we're so afraid of...aren't real...maybe THAT is why none of the presidents attend them?

Huh? He "doesn't have the right" to TAKE a call...remember...they called him...from Taiwan? Who says that? YOU? If Taiwan called ME, I have the right to take it.

He "knows the job"...appoint who you're told to appoint, sign what you're told to sign, and travel around playing golf and meeting royalty at state dinners. What else IS there?

You think the president sits behind a desk studying papers, making plans, creating his budget...etc? His whole day is scheduled...doing something. Meetings, calls, photos, dinners, trips. He's a figurehead, others do the thinking/lifting. He signs what they hand him, he says what they wrote.

[Rockyrd]

absolutely FALSE.

It is NOT TRUE about Obama. The below is from early on in his presidency when the radical right wing website were simply making things up....

"The notion that Obama has skipped his intelligence briefings was promoted by a right-leaning research group called the Government Accountability Institute, which published a report detailing that the president’s daily calendar shows Obama receiving an in-person briefing on the Presidential Daily Brief (PDB) 43.8 percent of his time in office. (The percentage dropped from a high of 48.8 percent in 2010 to 38.2 percent through May of 2012.)

Marc Thiessen, a former Bush speechwriter who writes an opinion column for The Washington Post, then drew attention to what he called the “startling new statistics” in the report. His column on the subject is cited as the source in the American Crossroads ad.

That column also includes the White House’s response — that Obama reads his PDB every day, but he does not always require an in-person briefing every day. The White House argument is that this is how Obama structured his White House operation, so it is specious to say he has “skipped” a meeting that was not actually scheduled.

The PDB is a highly secret document seen only by the president and a handful of other advisers. Only a few have ever been declassified — mainly from the Lyndon Johnson era — though the famous Aug. 6, 2001, PDB warning “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.” was also declassified as part of the investigation into the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

The bogus claim that Obama 'skips’ his intelligence briefings - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/the-bogus-claim-that-obama-skips-his-intelligence-briefings/2012/09/22/100cb63e-04fc-11e2-8102-ebee9c66e190_blog.html?utm_term=.137d240386a6)

Not quite a apple to apple comparison but the point is that all this false stuff being thrown out through twittter, etc is simply damaging to this country and that includes Trump dispensing false and inflamatory tweets. He is the President, at minimum act like a mature adult.

[Rockyrd]

Now relative to the FAKE NEWS being used on this site and many others. It is dangerous for one...

"A suspect arrested Sunday with an assault rifle at a Washington, DC pizzeria admitted he had come to investigate an online conspiracy theory, Washington's Metropolitan Police Department said Sunday evening in a statement.

Police have identified him as 28-year-old Edgar Maddison Welch of Salisbury, North Carolina.

"During a post arrest interview this evening, the suspect revealed that he came to the establishment to self-investigate 'Pizza Gate' (a fictitious online conspiracy theory)," the police department said in a statement.

"Pizza Gate" is a name given to the online false news stories begun last month that charged the Comet Ping Pong restaurant and its owner were involved in a child sex operation. The owner has vehemently denied the charges, but they continued to proliferate online. The owner and employees said they were repeatedly threatened on social media.


Comet pizza shooting: Fake news story drew gunman to restaurant, police say - CNNPolitics.com (http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/04/politics/gun-incident-fake-news/index.html)

People are going to get hurt and killed someday over this stuff.

I realize some of you do not like the so caled "main stream media
" but gotta tell you as someone who reads it all, it is pretty much mostly accurate and they do no report stuff like this that you can read on the various hate sites and frankly what is scary is that our new President elect does it.

I am wiling to and have said it to give Trump a chance but this kind of stuff is juvenile and scary.

[Rockyrd]

Further evidence of impact of FAKE NEWS AND frankly have seen so much of it on here and the subject of this article below was posted on here.

People believe this crap and it is dangerous.

"Eric Tucker, a 35-year-old co-founder of a marketing company in Austin, Tex., had just about 40 Twitter followers. But his recent tweet about paid protesters being bused to demonstrations against President-elect Donald J. Trump fueled a nationwide conspiracy theory — one that Mr. Trump joined in promoting.

Mr. Tucker's post was shared at least 16,000 times on Twitter and more than 350,000 times on Facebook. The problem is that Mr. Tucker got it wrong. There were no such buses packed with paid protesters.

But that didn't matter.

While some fake news is produced purposefully by teenagers in the Balkans or entrepreneurs in the United States seeking to make money from advertising, false information can also arise from misinformed social media posts by regular people that are seized on and spread through a hyperpartisan blogosphere.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/business/media/how-fake-news-spreads.html

There are childrens fables about lying and wanting to believe thus we do not check, and so much in this campaign goes to this point.

This needs fixed but not sure how you convince lazy uninformed people to read more and insure they are getting facts before flying off the handle.

Sorry if that sounds cruel but this particular story was posted and repeated on here and EVEN WITH PROOF it was a lie, it continues and to those people I simply ask...grow up, get informed and stop reading crap to make you feel good...read and investigate.

[Rockyrd]

maybe the "threats" we're so afraid of...aren't real...maybe that is why none of the presidents attend them?

Huh? He "doesn't have the right" to take a call...remember...they called him...from taiwan? Who says that? You? If taiwan called me, i have the right to take it.

He "knows the job"...appoint who you're told to appoint, sign what you're told to sign, and travel around playing golf and meeting royalty at state dinners. What else is there?

You think the president sits behind a desk studying papers, making plans, creating his budget...etc? His whole day is scheduled...doing something. Meetings, calls, photos, dinners, trips. He's a figurehead, others do the thinking/lifting. He signs what they hand him, he says what they wrote.

wake up please

[janmcn]

Now relative to the FAKE NEWS being used on this site and many others. It is dangerous for one...

"A suspect arrested Sunday with an assault rifle at a Washington, DC pizzeria admitted he had come to investigate an online conspiracy theory, Washington's Metropolitan Police Department said Sunday evening in a statement.

Police have identified him as 28-year-old Edgar Maddison Welch of Salisbury, North Carolina.

"During a post arrest interview this evening, the suspect revealed that he came to the establishment to self-investigate 'Pizza Gate' (a fictitious online conspiracy theory)," the police department said in a statement.

"Pizza Gate" is a name given to the online false news stories begun last month that charged the Comet Ping Pong restaurant and its owner were involved in a child sex operation. The owner has vehemently denied the charges, but they continued to proliferate online. The owner and employees said they were repeatedly threatened on social media.


Comet pizza shooting: Fake news story drew gunman to restaurant, police say - CNNPolitics.com (http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/04/politics/gun-incident-fake-news/index.html)

People are going to get hurt and killed someday over this stuff.

I realize some of you do not like the so caled "main stream media
" but gotta tell you as someone who reads it all, it is pretty much mostly accurate and they do no report stuff like this that you can read on the various hate sites and frankly what is scary is that our new President elect does it.

I am wiling to and have said it to give Trump a chance but this kind of stuff is juvenile and scary.


The owner of this pizzeria and his employees have had their lives threatened. Wonder who the shooter voted for?

Trump doesn't need security briefings. He told us he only has to rely on his brain and he knows more than the generals. Why waste time going to briefings when he could be tweeting?

[graciegirl]

The owner of this pizzeria and his employees have had their lives threatened. Wonder who the shooter voted for?

Trump doesn't need security briefings. He told us he only has to rely on his brain and he knows more than the generals. Why waste time going to briefings when he could be tweeting?

There can't be more than three people in this country who would believe anything so far fetched as Pizzagate and I hope there are very few who believe that the right are defacing buildings with swastikas. Nobody fights fair anymore and I blame younger people for most of this nastiness.

[janmcn]

Trump hasn't even been sworn in yet, and he has already caused an international conflict. If he had been briefed by the state department on proper protocol, all this embarrassment for the Obama administration could have been avoided. Remember, we only have one president at a time.

[Rockyrd]

There can't be more than three people in this country who would believe anything so far fetched as Pizzagate and I hope there are very few who believe that the right are defacing buildings with swastikas. Nobody fights fair anymore and I blame younger people for most of this nastiness.

Sorry......this story AND the one about busing in protestors actually have appeared on this forum !!!!!

Actually referenced more than once

[AJ32162]

Trump hasn't even been sworn in yet, and he has already caused an international conflict. If he had been briefed by the state department on proper protocol, all this embarrassment for the Obama administration could have been avoided. Remember, we only have one president at a time.

Maybe Trump should go on a 'world apology tour' like Obama did and kiss some more butts. Obama was so good at it though his performance would be hard for Trump to match. :D

[jimbo2012]

Trump hasn't even been sworn in yet, and he has already caused an international conflict. If he had been briefed by the state department on proper protocol, all this embarrassment for the Obama administration could have been avoided. Remember, we only have one president at a time.

The current one can be said to be feckless.

Conflict? where sent Taiwan million of dollars in military equipment, he can't take a call.

Trump is the candidate of change screw protocol


Get used to it it!

You haven't seen nothing yet

[MDLNB]

The current one can be said to be feckless.

Conflict? where sent Taiwan million of dollars in military equipment, he can't take a call.

Trump is the candidate of change screw protocol


Get used to it it!

You haven't seen nothing yet

:agree:...:thumbup: