I Do Not Agree With This

[mfp509]

To my neighbors and Friends in The Villages:



On April 8, 2009 the AMENITY AUTHORITY BOARD (AAC) voted to allow local non-Village residents to our recreation center by a vote of 3 to 2.



This means that each support group /club in The Villages will be allowed to have 10 NON RESIDENTS at each meeting or function. There are presently 31 Support Groups/Clubs using our recreation centers with no limit as to how many groups may be formed in the future. Presently, this would allow 310 additional NON RESIDENTS to use our facilities.



These NON RESIDENTS DO NOT PAY OUR AMENITY FEES...and I believe that a Group/Club should be required to pay a USER FEE if they want to bring in Non Residents.



For your information: CDD1 and CDD2 VOTED AGAINST ALLOWING NON RESIDENTS USE OF THE FACILITIES....BUT CDD3, CDD4 AND LADY LAKE VOTED TO ALLOW NON RESIDENTS TO USE THE FACILITIES.



You can contact your Representative and let them know that you do not want NON RESIDENTS using the Recreational Facilities at:



CDD1 CARL BELL 750-1251

CDD2 MARTY ROTHBARD 753-9065

CDD3 JOHN WILCOX 259-4380

CDD4 RICH LAMBRECHT 751-4380

LADY LAKE ELDON SHELDON 750-0198



NOW IS THE TIME TO VOICE YOUR DISAPPROVAL or APPROVAL of wheat the AMENITY AUTHORITY BOARD has authorized with you money. If the action by the AAC upsets you....SEND THIS MESSAGE OUT TO ALL YOUR NEIGHBORS IN THE VILLAGES.


This info was sent to me by a neighbor who attended the meeting and I'm forwarding it.

[redwitch]

I'm sorry but I have to disagree on this one. If they were allowing non-residents to join any TV club, I would highly object. However, support groups are, to me, in a class by themselves.

Imagine you or your child having a serious illness. You live in a relatively small community but there is an active support group geared towards your illness. You cannot attend because you live in the next town over -- the next nearest support group for you is over a hundred miles away. Yes, that community has a right to limit access to only its residents -- they're the ones paying the taxes for the upkeep of that community center. The moral right is another question, though.

I would much rather welcome my neighbor in Leesburg or Summerfield or even Ocala or wherever than ban them from needed support because it would cost a few pennies. Some things should be considered by issues other than dollars and cents. Sorry.

[dabisson]

I agree 100% with The Red Witch. Heaven forbid it should happen to YOU or ME. Sometimes we have to look beyond $$$$$$$

[villages07]

This topic came up about a week ago. Here's the link to prior thread so you can read the responses posted then.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21980

[ijusluvit]

And, in addition: shame on CDD 1 and 2.

[mfp509]

As far as "medical" support groups go - don't churches and local hospitals run support groups around here? If not, then it would be something to consider.

[BillArmyRet]

I generally agree with those who object to non resident use of the facilities. However I am single and sometimes date non villagers. Not being able to have my date have access to the facilities interferes with my use of the facilities and is not a fair restriction. I can not even get my date a guest pass. I pay the same amenity fee as a household of 2 or even three. I believe that a fair solution would be to give households of 1, two resident cards. The second card to be used by my guest (date).
Thanks for considering my position.

[swrinfla]

As a strong and vocal proponent of allowing support groups to have "off campus" folks join us at on-campus meetings, I have been and remain concerned that old-fashioned and hide-bound members of the AAC nearly destroyed our efforts.

There are many vocal Villagers who take the approach that "This is our private place and we do not welcome outsiders for any reason whatsoever." I think this narrow and parochial attitude is too too bad, and I apologize for it.

We are now a community of some 75,000 folks. IMHO, we need to drop the old attitudes, embrace some of the new attitudes and truly become "Florida's Friendliest Hometown."

SWR

[FLBuckeyeIII]

I am GLAD they approved this....

As a person who does not live in The Villages and loves playing basketball, the only courts around my area are congested with young teens (I'm talking about 25-30 on just 1 court!).... So it's impossible to enjoy playing a game without a TON of harassment....

Now, there is a Villages recreation center with a basketball court off of 466A that NOONE except me ever plays at... I don't cause any harm to anyone, I just try play for awhile and leave... A few months ago I was kicked off because I was not a resident nor was I a family member of a resident with a guest ID....

There's nothing worse than driving by a basketball court that's not used by anyone... I am glad they approved this...

[downeaster]

I'm sorry but I have to disagree on this one. If they were allowing non-residents to join any TV club, I would highly object. However, support groups are, to me, in a class by themselves.

Imagine you or your child having a serious illness. You live in a relatively small community but there is an active support group geared towards your illness. You cannot attend because you live in the next town over -- the next nearest support group for you is over a hundred miles away. Yes, that community has a right to limit access to only its residents -- they're the ones paying the taxes for the upkeep of that community center. The moral right is another question, though.

I would much rather welcome my neighbor in Leesburg or Summerfield or even Ocala or wherever than ban them from needed support because it would cost a few pennies. Some things should be considered by issues other than dollars and cents. Sorry.

Well said, redwitch. My guess is most of us friendly villagers agree with you.
I also think some have misinterpreted the ruling. It does not include all amenities, such as basketball. It does include "support" groups.

[FLBuckeyeIII]

Well said, redwitch. My guess is most of us friendly villagers agree with you.
I also think some have misinterpreted the ruling. It does not include all amenities, such as basketball. It does include "support" groups.

Wow, so then I have to continue driving by an empty court....

Tax dollars at work!

[graciegirl]

I totally misunderstood this when I first read it and didn't realize that it meant SUPPORT groups, which are always helpful to people with illness, trouble and depression and probably including AA and Alanon.

I completely agree with Red Witch. She said it better than I could.

[chuckster]

Wow, so then I have to continue driving by an empty court....

Tax dollars at work!

Sorry not your tax dollars but our amenity fees paid by residents for the basketball court. Hope this helps clarify.........

[Bogie Shooter]

I am GLAD they approved this....

As a person who does not live in The Villages and loves playing basketball, the only courts around my area are congested with young teens (I'm talking about 25-30 on just 1 court!).... So it's impossible to enjoy playing a game without a TON of harassment....

Now, there is a Villages recreation center with a basketball court off of 466A that NOONE except me ever plays at... I don't cause any harm to anyone, I just try play for awhile and leave... A few months ago I was kicked off because I was not a resident nor was I a family member of a resident with a guest ID....

There's nothing worse than driving by a basketball court that's not used by anyone... I am glad they approved this...
What makes you think you have the right to use TV facilities? It was just that yoo got "kicked off", someone was doing their job of checking ID's.The ACC approved support groups not basketball players! Sorry.

[Army Guy]

When we bought last week in Bonita they told us we are CDD 7, so who is our rep?

Army Guy

[Bryan]

I do not think CDD 7 has a rep on the AAC. You just brought in TV so maybe you don't understand all the "ins and outs" yet. North of 466, the developer has completed his "build out" meaning no more homes are being built here. Local government, in the form of the CDD (Community Development Districts) are taking over governing their districts. South of 466, the Developer still owns a lot of "housing" land that is being developed. As a (at one point the only) landowner, he appointed members to the various CDD's south of 466 and de facto controls them. It sounds like there are two governments here - one north of 466 and one south - and that is sort of true, at the moment.

As far as the AAC goes, there is a protection in place to keep both "aides" of TV in synch. Whatever the AAC approves for recreation facilities north of 466, the CDDs south of 466 must also approve so that the "rules" are the same throughout TV.

Short answer, CDD7 probably is not part of the AAC at this point in time (will be eventually though) so you have no AAC representative. The board members of CDD7 serve the function.

[Army Guy]

Thanks Brian. That does make sense.

Army Guy

[The Great Fumar]

Wow, so then I have to continue driving by an empty court....

Tax dollars at work!

AHHH but not your tax dollars, There mine , and its really a question of TRESPASSING or NOT TRESPASSING ,,,,,,And you sir are TRESPASSING..
As we WOLVERINES have to remind you buckeyes all the time...

THERE AIN'T NO FREE LUNCH...........:girlneener:

[drdodge]

I agree with Red Witch

drd

[SABRMnLgs]

They can use my tee times and golf lanes, and pool time and baseball diamonds and card tables anytime they want .............. I never use any of that stuff anyway. Besides I'm not that much of a stuffed shirt. We should welcome neighbors, not ignore them. What if we needed to use their facilities for something? Would you want to be treated like a leper?

[Bogie Shooter]

They can use my tee times and golf lanes, and pool time and baseball diamonds and card tables anytime they want .............. I never use any of that stuff anyway. Besides I'm not that much of a stuffed shirt. We should welcome neighbors, not ignore them. What if we needed to use their facilities for something? Would you want to be treated like a leper?
Why do you live in the Villages?

[Recker]

I agree that we SHOULD allow this....there are only 15 support groups here in the Villages:

Airheads C O P D Exercise Group
ALS-Muscular Disease
Deaf&Hard of Hearing Social
Diabetes Group
Fibromyalgia Support
Gynecologic Cancer Support
Leukemia & Lymphoma Society
Man to Man Group (Prostate Cancer)
MS Support Group
Osteoporosis Support Group
Parkinson Exercise Group
Parkinson Game Club
Sarcoidosis Support
Stroke Survivors
Visually Impaired Persons

The people who go to these groups must sign in on a sheet of paper and then the paper is given to the recreation staff for their records. The group can also have no more than 10 non residents at each meeting.

This is NOT for use of pools, basketball courts, etc. ONLY support groups. Have a heart, people. What if it were YOUR family member, or YOU personally? Be GLAD that you are able to be healthy and afford to live where you do, free of the above ailments. And be PROUD to live in a place that HAS groups like this that can offer support to those less fortunate!!!!!!

[dadspet]

This means that each support group /club in The Villages

It looks like the original post not only indicates support groups but club also.

If this is correct to me it means then anyone can participate in the clubs and to me this just isn't right. Why own in the villages and pay fees if this is the case?

BTW I don't believe there is any indication in the original post that non-villagers can use the rec facilities such as the pools, tennis, basket ball and pickleball courts.

I think we have not been represented in our best interest!

[ohiogolf]

dadspet:

the original post is wrong. the change is only for the medically related support groups, not clubs. The change is an excellent one. My wife and I participate in one of those 15 groups listed in a previous posting. there are individuals in the immediate area around TV who suffer from the same serious health issue but have no support group to utilize due to the limited population. By attending the meetings of the group, they are able to meet with similarly afflicted individuals and also hear from health care and other professionals on how to better their lives. all it costs TV is a folding chair for the person to sit in for about 2 hours a month. It is indeed the right thing to do!

[katezbox]

ohio,

Sounds like a church allowing the scouts, or AA or Habitat for Humanity use the church hall for meetings. These groups do not necessarily add cash to the collection plate - but they do enrich the parish and community in other ways,

[mfp509]

Yes, the original post mentioned clubs which was the part I didn't agree with. Then I spoke to my district rep and he explained it. I don't see anything wrong with a few non-residents attending a medical support group.

[bigfox]

I trust you got a chance to sign the petition that was going around TV in June that addresses just this. Single resident households getting a second pass for a companion or a special ID that includes one companion. If not, you can sign it at the July 8 meeting to be held at the Savannah Center at 1:30 to whenever. We will need you to be there to support the speakers.

bigfox

[Muncle]

I trust you got a chance to sign the petition that was going around TV in June that addresses just this. Single resident households getting a second pass for a companion or a special ID that includes one companion. If not, you can sign it at the July 8 meeting to be held at the Savannah Center at 1:30 to whenever. We will need you to be there to support the speakers.

bigfox

The petition and guest passes have nothing to do with this issue. If your girlfriend from off campus wants to join one of the specified support groups, she's free to do so if there's room. But she's still not getting into the dance.



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[DeafDeaf]

Because the DEAF population of the Villages is less than 0.1%, there are some outsiders which we, the support group (Deaf and Hard of Hearing Social Times), want to interact with. It is only once a month. Is that the problem?

[Xavier]

Because the DEAF population of the Villages is less than 0.1%, there are some outsiders which we, the support group (Deaf and Hard of Hearing Social Times), want to interact with. It is only once a month. Is that the problem?

If you are addressing Muncle you probably need to know that he passed on on November 7th.

[Pturner]

I am GLAD they approved this....

As a person who does not live in The Villages and loves playing basketball, the only courts around my area are congested with young teens (I'm talking about 25-30 on just 1 court!).... So it's impossible to enjoy playing a game without a TON of harassment....

Now, there is a Villages recreation center with a basketball court off of 466A that NOONE except me ever plays at... I don't cause any harm to anyone, I just try play for awhile and leave... A few months ago I was kicked off because I was not a resident nor was I a family member of a resident with a guest ID....

There's nothing worse than driving by a basketball court that's not used by anyone... I am glad they approved this...

First, I am glad that most of the TV posters here agree that support groups should be open to TV neighbors.

FL, hope you keep enjoying your basketball. I also I hope you can understand why opening the TV rec. amenitites to the public is different and does not make sense. It's not because we are mean! Here is my understanding-- someone please correct me if I'm wrong:

Your taxes did not pay for these facilities. The costs to build and maintain the commons areas inside The Villages is paid by Villages homeowners. In addition to paying maintenance bonds, TVers pay an amenities fee to use the rec facilities. It wouldn't make sense for TVers to pay for the facilities and for non-TVers to use them for free. In addition, if the facilities were open to the public, they would become overcrowded, too. So, the TVers who must pay both to maintain and use these facilities would have limited access, in order to accomodate people who are not paying to maintain or use the facilities.

Hope this helps. Peace and good wishes.

[Bogie Shooter]

Nothing new.

[DeafDeaf]

To my neighbors and Friends in The Villages:



On April 8, 2009 the AMENITY AUTHORITY BOARD (AAC) voted to allow local non-Village residents to our recreation center by a vote of 3 to 2.



This means that each support group /club in The Villages will be allowed to have 10 NON RESIDENTS at each meeting or function. There are presently 31 Support Groups/Clubs using our recreation centers with no limit as to how many groups may be formed in the future. Presently, this would allow 310 additional NON RESIDENTS to use our facilities.



These NON RESIDENTS DO NOT PAY OUR AMENITY FEES...and I believe that a Group/Club should be required to pay a USER FEE if they want to bring in Non Residents.



For your information: CDD1 and CDD2 VOTED AGAINST ALLOWING NON RESIDENTS USE OF THE FACILITIES....BUT CDD3, CDD4 AND LADY LAKE VOTED TO ALLOW NON RESIDENTS TO USE THE FACILITIES.



You can contact your Representative and let them know that you do not want NON RESIDENTS using the Recreational Facilities at:



CDD1 CARL BELL 750-1251

CDD2 MARTY ROTHBARD 753-9065

CDD3 JOHN WILCOX 259-4380

CDD4 RICH LAMBRECHT 751-4380

LADY LAKE ELDON SHELDON 750-0198



NOW IS THE TIME TO VOICE YOUR DISAPPROVAL or APPROVAL of wheat the AMENITY AUTHORITY BOARD has authorized with you money. If the action by the AAC upsets you....SEND THIS MESSAGE OUT TO ALL YOUR NEIGHBORS IN THE VILLAGES.


This info was sent to me by a neighbor who attended the meeting and I'm forwarding it.
People with any phyiscal loss (vision, hearing, mobility, etc.) do not have a disease. We are not looking for a cure but ACCEPTANCE. Why cannot this friendliest City accept us?

[billethkid]

I personally believe you are totally out of synch with the reality of the openess of TV on just about issue.
There is a response you are targeting and being unduly derogatory to a very big hearted community!!!!!

btk

[The Shadow]

Just like stupid is not a disease.

[DeafDeaf]

I will heartily support the AAC and will suggest to increase to 25 non-resident members. Those support groups do not make money and do support each other at their own. Let's wait till the day you become a victim of any disability and you will realize that interacting with those people, regardless of residency, with various disabilities will reward you. The Villages should not be a GHETTO!

[islandgal]

First, I am glad that most of the TV posters here agree that support groups should be open to TV neighbors.

FL, hope you keep enjoying your basketball. I also I hope you can understand why opening the TV rec. amenitites to the public is different and does not make sense. It's not because we are mean! Here is my understanding-- someone please correct me if I'm wrong:

Your taxes did not pay for these facilities. The costs to build and maintain the commons areas inside The Villages is paid by Villages homeowners. In addition to paying maintenance bonds, TVers pay an amenities fee to use the rec facilities. It wouldn't make sense for TVers to pay for the facilities and for non-TVers to use them for free. In addition, if the facilities were open to the public, they would become overcrowded, too. So, the TVers who must pay to maintain and use these facilities would have limited access, in order to accomodate people who are not paying to maintain or use the facilities.

Hope this helps. Peace and good wishes.

Well said, Pturner - It is crowded now during the in season. Can you imagine what it
would be like if non-residents would be admitted, not to mention it would be at OUR expense?
I do agree with the medical support, however.

[Walt.]

...Now, there is a Villages recreation center with a basketball court off of 466A that NOONE except me ever plays at... I don't cause any harm to anyone, I just try play for awhile and leave... A few months ago I was kicked off because I was not a resident nor was I a family member of a resident with a guest ID....

I'm sure you wouldn't mind if a few of us dropped over and used your backyard for a barbeque some afternoon while you're away. We would, of course, clean up any mess we might make. Be sure to leave the back door unlocked so we can use the bathroom and kitchen sink.
Oh yeah, if any of us gets injured don't worry... we probably won't sue.