US drops to #25 in education...why?

[Don Baldwin]

The US drops again in world rankings...now down to #25 in education. #40 in math. Out of 70 developed countries.


http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2017/2017048.pdf

WHY is this happening? Diversity. As the number of "stupid", low IQ minorities grows...the number of "smart", high IQ whites goes down. As this happens...the numbers slide...directly proportional.

Our country is FILLING UP with people who's countries don't even make the list...they're that low...and we wonder why we're going downhill? We're breeding ourselves into idiots. We're devolving.

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Disagree? Lets hear WHY not just that you disagree...YOU explain the fall.

[ColdNoMore]

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A white supremacist website, without a scintilla of actual scientific and peer reviewed data. :oops:

No wonder you're such a loathsome animal. :ohdear:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Here's an example of the way math is being taught in this country today.

6+5+?

Answer 11

Wrong, you have to follow a formula that explains how you get to the answer.

The formula is subtract one from the six and make it five. Add the five to the five and get ten. The add the one back in.

It's called doubling. You always have to subtract the lower number from the higher then double the lower number and add the difference back in.

We once were #1 in the world when kids were learning the multiplication tables. We've added more and more of this kind of math and now we are #25.

The super intelligent keep running the educational system soon we'll be in last place.

This is what is meant by the saying, some things are so simple that only the most intelligent can't understand them.

[Don Baldwin]

A white supremacist website, without a scintilla of actual scientific and peer reviewed data. :oops:

No wonder you're such a loathsome animal. :ohdear:

"The National Center for Education Statistics (NCES) is the primary federal entity for collecting and analyzing data related to education."

Why don't you believe their numbers?

Oh...you mean the other site... It cites valid data.

"Black, American Indian/Alaskan Native, Hispanic, and Asian/Pacific Islander adults were more likely than White adults to perform in the lowest two literacy levels."

"With one exception, for each racial or ethnic group, individuals born in the United States outperformed those born abroad. The exception occurs among Black adults where there was essentially no difference (only 3 to 7 points)."

"Adults in the lowest level on each of the literacy scales (17 to 19 percent) were far more likely than those in the two highest levels (4 percent) to report receiving food stamps."

"Growing numbers of individuals are expected to be able to attend to multiple features of information in lengthy and sometimes complex displays, to compare and contrast information, to integrate information from various parts of a text or document, to generate ideas and information based on what they read, and to apply arithmetic operations sequentially to solve a problem. The results from this and other surveys, however, indicate that many
adults do not demonstrate these levels of proficiency. Further, the continuing process of demographic, social, and economic change within this country could lead to a more divided society along both racial and socioeconomic lines."

All from https://nces.ed.gov/pubs93/93275.pdf

WHAT do you specifically have a problem with?

[ColdNoMore]

Oh...you mean the other site...

Exactly, the 'other' site that is nothing but a White Supremacist, Stormfront pusher.



It cites valid data.

Bull$hit.

It takes the data from the NCES and then, without ANY factual or scientific data, tries to attribute the US's standing to black Americans.

Without even addressing the inferior learning environment of a large number of poor blacks... brought on by your disgusting and putrid types in the first place.

You and a few others here might be ignorant and racist enough to believe your white supremacist site...but keep that filth to yourself.

Your old white azz ilk are dying out...and none too soon IMHO. :ho:

[billethkid]

The dumbing down of America has worked and continues to do so.

The efforts of those who would make everybody equal by lowering the bars of measure.....has lead to a lower standing in educational prowess and achievement.....no mystery to it!!

[Don Baldwin]

Exactly, the 'other' site that is nothing but a White Supremacist, Stormfront pusher.

Bull$hit.

It takes the data from the NCES and then, without ANY factual or scientific data, tries to attribute the US's standing to black Americans.

Without even addressing the inferior learning environment of a large number of poor blacks... brought on by your disgusting and putrid types in the first place.

You and a few others here might be ignorant and racist enough to believe your white supremacist site...but keep that filth to yourself.

Your old white azz ilk are dying out...and none too soon IMHO. :ho:

No it wasn't, it was correctly interpreting the FACTS from the .gov site. YOU are the one who refuses to acknowledge facts.

The .gov site is where all those quotes came from...IT shows the failure of blacks to perform.

WHY is it an "inferior" learning environment? Because BLACKS have MADE it inferior. Many downtowns were THRIVING...UNTIL the blacks started moving in...THEY destroyed it, not white people leaving. You don't NEED metal detectors and armed security at a WHITE school...but you DO at EVERY black school. They're animals that ACT like animals, yet you refuse to admit it.

They're not successful anywhere on the planet...not ONE place...so why do you think you can MAKE them successful?

Yes...we ARE dying out...and the country is DECAYING because of it. WHY do you CHOOSE to be blind?

The dumbing down of America has worked and continues to do so.

The efforts of those who would make everybody equal by lowering the bars of measure.....has lead to a lower standing in educational prowess and achievement.....no mystery to it!!

It's leading to collapse...we've gone from #1 to #25 ALL due to affirmative action and diversity...lowered standards...ALL in an insane effort to equalize that which isn't equal.

As a people, they're not successful anywhere on the entire planet. There is not one "nice" all black place.

I don't get the CONTINUED denial. Against all the facts. It "shouldn't" be...so it isn't...is what they think. But it IS. It's a different species.

Dogs and cats aren't equals. You can't make them by lowering the standards so they can both "pass". Yes, one or two cats CAN learn tricks, but for the most part, cats are untrainable. A dog will never be able to jump 10X his height like a cat, lowering the bar to 1/2 the dogs height doesn't now make it a cat.

They deny EVERYTHING that puts them in a bad light. While accentuating the "successes" of the 1%.

[rubicon]

The US drop in education has many fathers who deny paternity.
If I had young kids today they would be home schooled. Its should concern parents what they are teaching kids these days and jsut as concerned of what they are not teaching

Personal Best Regards:

[Buffalo Jim]

The US Public Schools ceased providing education sometime in the early years of the Clinton Administration and became institutions for " Indoctrination " . The move was hailed by the far Left , Teachers Unions and Hollywood .

[Don Baldwin]

The US Public Schools ceased providing education sometime in the early years of the Clinton Administration and became institutions for " Indoctrination " . The move was hailed by the far Left , Teachers Unions and Hollywood .

Get them when they're young...they're easily molded then.

Religion does the same thing...gets them when they're young, ignorant, and vulnerable.

[rubicon]

Get them when they're young...they're easily molded then.

Religion does the same thing...gets them when they're young, ignorant, and vulnerable.

The subject matter is the reduction in education and for the sake of discussion would like to stay with that topic

Indeed the young are easily molded and quite passionate and desiring to make their mark on society.

So it is irresponsible and dare I say close to criminal for educators to decide what is moral and just instead of teaching kids the basics of writing reading and arithmetic. Where are the parents in all this. How can they allow their children to be exposed to the poison being spewed by many in schools.

We were taught by our parents that children should be treated as a protected species meaning no physical or moral harm should come to them

And this is what you get when everyone gets a trophy because once kids leave that shelter and enter into the real world they can't compete hence trigger warnings micro-aggressions and safe spaces. And these reactions are a result of the multi-diversity
agenda that becomes the main focus of their education while civics, geography, objective history, thinking for one self. etc goes by the wayside

Personal Best Regards:

[Allegiance]

A white supremacist website, without a scintilla of actual scientific and peer reviewed data. :oops:

No wonder you're such a loathsome animal. :ohdear:
Scientific data?

There is a project I follow called "305.9/082 20", it seems to address what you call scientific data.

This project has been BIGLY researched since at least the early 1990s and it is HUGE in the quantitative community. Feel free to join and add to the research, more information can be obtained by hard copy as well in your public library, also one of my passions.

[emoji23]

[MDLNB]

Our education is dropping because the left insists on teaching PC and left wing politics, period.

There should be NO ethnicity, gender or gender bender included in the teaching of our children. There is only one place for politics in public school and that is in CIVICS class, which I understand has been eliminated from some curricula.

[Rockyrd]

The subject matter is the reduction in education and for the sake of discussion would like to stay with that topic

Indeed the young are easily molded and quite passionate and desiring to make their mark on society.

So it is irresponsible and dare I say close to criminal for educators to decide what is moral and just instead of teaching kids the basics of writing reading and arithmetic. Where are the parents in all this. How can they allow their children to be exposed to the poison being spewed by many in schools.

We were taught by our parents that children should be treated as a protected species meaning no physical or moral harm should come to them

And this is what you get when everyone gets a trophy because once kids leave that shelter and enter into the real world they can't compete hence trigger warnings micro-aggressions and safe spaces. And these reactions are a result of the multi-diversity
agenda that becomes the main focus of their education while civics, geography, objective history, thinking for one self. etc goes by the wayside

Personal Best Regards:

I am a bit conflicted in this discussion.

I went to grade school in the late 40's and early 50's. Much of what I was taught, I find as I go on in life was not true.

Teaching history in any manner, even if you espouse the most bland presentation is tough because all history is the result of something that is up for interpretation.

HOW and what is a local matter for the most part and parents can have in put.

My pet peeve which stretches beyond just a discussion on education but keeping it within the thread......

Our families have been split apart and morals mean nothing any longer. There is no parent involvement at all any longer.

We keep going further and further away from the family and THAT leaves our children "unprotected" to your point.

Making America Great Again would be a step back and find our own moral grounds, like family.

[Allegiance]

I am a bit conflicted in this discussion.

I went to grade school in the late 40's and early 50's. Much of what I was taught, I find as I go on in life was not true.

Teaching history in any manner, even if you espouse the most bland presentation is tough because all history is the result of something that is up for interpretation.

HOW and what is a local matter for the most part and parents can have in put.

My pet peeve which stretches beyond just a discussion on education but keeping it within the thread......

Our families have been split apart and morals mean nothing any longer. There is no parent involvement at all any longer.

We keep going further and further away from the family and THAT leaves our children "unprotected" to your point.

Making America Great Again would be a step back and find our own moral grounds, like family.
Don't worry donny will put education in the hands of the state's. Hopefully your grandchildren live in a nice conservative state which will emphasis the Rs. Reading, righting, rithmatic.

[MDLNB]

Don't worry donny will put education in the hands of the state's. Hopefully your grandchildren live in a nice conservative state which will emphasis the Rs. Reading, righting, rithmatic.

Yep, you should encourage it. After all, it is the hard working conservatives paying all the taxes and subsidizing all the freebies for the loafers. Just saying.

If Hillary would have been elected, EVERYONE's taxes would have had to increase drastically to pay for universal free college.

[Don Baldwin]

Don't worry donny will put education in the hands of the state's. Hopefully your grandchildren live in a nice conservative state which will emphasis the Rs. Reading, righting, rithmatic.

Your grandchildren will grow up in Mexico II. There will no emphasis on anything.

Yep, you should encourage it. After all, it is the hard working conservatives paying all the taxes and subsidizing all the freebies for the loafers. Just saying.

If Hillary would have been elected, EVERYONE's taxes would have had to increase drastically to pay for universal free college.

Trump will spend like a drunken sailor too...to "fix" things.

[MDLNB]

Trump will spend like a drunken sailor too...to "fix" things.

Of course he will. I did not expect anyone to go to D.C and not spend. The question is, how will they spend the tax revenues and how much higher do they need to go before we can start breaking even with the annual budget. I do not consider Climate Control to be a valid issue to spend money on. I do not feel that I should have to subsidize someone else's kid's college education. And I do not feel that it is my duty to pay for health insurance for everyone else when I can hardly afford my own. I believe that if you want to achieve something in life, then you have to motivate yourself and not expect someone else to do it for you or coddle you. Too many people in this country perceive rights that they have not earned.

[Don Baldwin]

Of course he will. I did not expect anyone to go to D.C and not spend. The question is, how will they spend the tax revenues and how much higher do they need to go before we can start breaking even with the annual budget. I do not consider Climate Control to be a valid issue to spend money on. I do not feel that I should have to subsidize someone else's kid's college education. And I do not feel that it is my duty to pay for health insurance for everyone else when I can hardly afford my own. I believe that if you want to achieve something in life, then you have to motivate yourself and not expect someone else to do it for you or coddle you. Too many people in this country perceive rights that they have not earned.

They already spend over a $trillion more than they take in now. Trump will just add to it. He'll have over $2 trillion a year of a deficit to pay for the "fixes" he'll propose. Meet the new boss...same as the old boss.

So you want women and minorities fending for themselves? I agree...they have it too easy.

[rubicon]

I am a bit conflicted in this discussion.

I went to grade school in the late 40's and early 50's. Much of what I was taught, I find as I go on in life was not true.

Teaching history in any manner, even if you espouse the most bland presentation is tough because all history is the result of something that is up for interpretation.

HOW and what is a local matter for the most part and parents can have in put.

My pet peeve which stretches beyond just a discussion on education but keeping it within the thread......

Our families have been split apart and morals mean nothing any longer. There is no parent involvement at all any longer.

We keep going further and further away from the family and THAT leaves our children "unprotected" to your point.

Making America Great Again would be a step back and find our own moral grounds, like family.

Dear Guest: We are in agreement but perhaps with a different approach. It is difficult to look back on history and make moral judgment based on present day criteria and in lieu that the passions of events of the past have been far removed. Consider how we viewed Germany and Japan in the 1940-50 and today

Consider how we viewed women, sex in the 1940-50 and compare it to today. Virginity was once revered today its laughed upon.

In today's society we call it progression but it seems to have actually been regressive. My mother counseled to not swear in mixed company. Here we are today where some women's language embarrasses most men.

One wonders what feminist advocates make of what has happened to their movement . Indeed much has been accomplished but at the cost of emasculating men and unnecessarily hardening women. I opine other can decide if the trade off was necessary and worth it.

And before anyone desire to slander consider that in my previous life I promoted several deserving women. so I am not talking about equal opportunity here I am addressing the social implication of it all...think Monica Crowley vis a vis Joy Behar and you get a sense of what I mean.

Personal Best Regards:

[bbbbbb]

[QUOTE=Guest]The US drops again in world rankings...now down to #25 in education. #40 in math. Out of 70 developed countries.


http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2017/2017048.pdf

WHY is this happening? Diversity. As the number of "stupid", low IQ minorities grows...the number of "smart", high IQ whites goes down. As this happens...the numbers slide...directly proportional.

Our country is FILLING UP with people who's countries don't even make the list...they're that low...and we wonder why we're going downhill? We're breeding ourselves into idiots. We're devolving.

Blacks and Whites with Equal Educational Attainment Differ in Cognitive Ability | Red Pill Central (http://www.truthjustice.net/politics/blacks-and-whites-with-equal-educational-attainment-differ-in-cognitive-ability/)

Response:
My wife and I volunteer to teach and tutor elementary children. If you want to see the education system failing, then tutor and you will see it all! Direct and factual. They do need a lot of help. Here are some stumbling blocks:
1. Common Core etc.
2. Some PhD somewhere in Washington who never spent a minute in a classroom knows, dictates, and plans everything.
3. Some parents do not care. One family wrote a letter to our school that no one in the school was to try to correct the erratic behavior of their child.
4. Home work is a no no. A very long story.
My wife and I are retired teachers, we have seen the whole picture folks, it is not good.

Something to think about, a real set of problems.

You can private email us on this site, your comments are welcome.
bbbbbb :wave:

[bbbbbb]

[QUOTE=Guest]Here's an example of the way math is being taught in this country today.

6+5+?

Answer 11

Wrong, you have to follow a formula that explains how you get to the answer.

The formula is subtract one from the six and make it five. Add the five to the five and get ten. The add the one back in.

It's called doubling. You always have to subtract the lower number from the higher then double the lower number and add the difference back in.

We once were #1 in the world when kids were learning the multiplication tables. We've added more and more of this kind of math and now we are #25.

COMMENT

Yes, we do agree with your assessment. Here is a shocker, the Education system should not allow a PhD to have a job or any input into elementary or secondary education.
The example as you gave above is excellent and it illustrates two items:
1.Some math items are a nightmare of theory and rote memory. They turn off the child as they do not present a reasonable and useful math method they can remember or duplicate with models.
2. Remember the "new math" in the 1960 s? That was an abomination of some guys PhD dissertation. A real mess that was NOT useful but it was incorporated in math classes in California.
You can email us if you like, we are open to discussion and we are retired teachers.
bbbbbb You can email on this site.

[autumnspring]

I am a bit conflicted in this discussion.

I went to grade school in the late 40's and early 50's. Much of what I was taught, I find as I go on in life was not true.

Teaching history in any manner, even if you espouse the most bland presentation is tough because all history is the result of something that is up for interpretation.

HOW and what is a local matter for the most part and parents can have in put.

My pet peeve which stretches beyond just a discussion on education but keeping it within the thread......

Our families have been split apart and morals mean nothing any longer. There is no parent involvement at all any longer.

We keep going further and further away from the family and THAT leaves our children "unprotected" to your point.

Making America Great Again would be a step back and find our own moral grounds, like family.

1. Typical of any of these threads, people discuss, SCREAM about the same thing but see different things.
TRUTH-which side of the issue is the TRUTH.
2. You mention as you go on in life you find that things you were taught were simply not true. Our views are always changing.
3. Fairly recently I saw some 16mm movies of myself and my sister at like 4 and 6 years old. There were also movies of my parents and my aunts and uncles. It was truly shocking how different it was from what I remembered as a 4 year old. I remembered my parents and my grandparents scolding me regularly for littering.
I remembered the streets were far cleaner in the old days.
The movies showed clearly what I remembered simply was not so. The movies in the streets of NYC in Van Cortland park were full of TRASH blowing about.
4. RE: History
The HISTORY we were FED in school was POLITICALLY CORRECTED HISTORY. Just like people are all hot and bothered about what is going on now THERE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN ISSUES-how did we get here?

A GREAT BOOK TO READ-"Don't Know Much About History."
A quick introduction the the DIFFERENCE between what we were taught and REALITY. SADLY FEW PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THEY ARE SAYING BUT THEY DO SCREAM WHAT THEY THINK THEY KNOW-BUT DON'T.

[autumnspring]

Of course he will. I did not expect anyone to go to D.C and not spend. The question is, how will they spend the tax revenues and how much higher do they need to go before we can start breaking even with the annual budget. I do not consider Climate Control to be a valid issue to spend money on. I do not feel that I should have to subsidize someone else's kid's college education. And I do not feel that it is my duty to pay for health insurance for everyone else when I can hardly afford my own. I believe that if you want to achieve something in life, then you have to motivate yourself and not expect someone else to do it for you or coddle you. Too many people in this country perceive rights that they have not earned.

RE: HEALTH INSURANCE
Obviously I can't thoroughly discuss this in this forum BUT.
Are we prepared -if there is a car accident and a young health person WHO DECIDED THEY DO NOT NEED TO PAY FOR EXPENSIVE INSURANCE AS THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN SICK-to not provide medical care? Are we prepared to look in his wallet and if we do not find proof of coverage to simply take the alive or dead to the dump?
YES, we who pay, pay more to cover the ones who don't
RE: EDUCATION
The price of a college degree has gone up far faster than the rate of inflation. THE REASON, ACCORDING TO ME, IS GOVERNMENT THROWING MONEY AT IT-A PRESCRIPTION FOR INFLATION.
I personally went my first two years to a community college at night while working 40 hours a week and shooting weddings most weekends. I then transferred to a four year college where I graduated. My education cost me my considerable savings plus I had 13,000 in college loans. Translation that 13,000 to todays dollars it is 78,000. I GOT MARRIED TWO YEARS AFTER I GRADUATED.
MY WIFE AND I LIVED CHEAP AND TOGETHER WE PAID BACK MY DEBT.

I'VE EARNED EVERYTHING I HAVE-I NEVER WOULD HAVE ASKED ANYONE ELSE TO PAY FOR ERRORS I HAVE MADE.

HOW DARE PEOPLE THINK THEY SHOULD TAKE FROM ME TO PAY FOR THEIR MISTAKES.

[Don Baldwin]

RE: HEALTH INSURANCE
Obviously I can't thoroughly discuss this in this forum BUT.
Are we prepared -if there is a car accident and a young health person WHO DECIDED THEY DO NOT NEED TO PAY FOR EXPENSIVE INSURANCE AS THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN SICK-to not provide medical care? Are we prepared to look in his wallet and if we do not find proof of coverage to simply take the alive or dead to the dump?
YES, we who pay, pay more to cover the ones who don't
RE: EDUCATION
The price of a college degree has gone up far faster than the rate of inflation. THE REASON, ACCORDING TO ME, IS GOVERNMENT THROWING MONEY AT IT-A PRESCRIPTION FOR INFLATION.
I personally went my first two years to a community college at night while working 40 hours a week and shooting weddings most weekends. I then transferred to a four year college where I graduated. My education cost me my considerable savings plus I had 13,000 in college loans. Translation that 13,000 to todays dollars it is 78,000. I GOT MARRIED TWO YEARS AFTER I GRADUATED.
MY WIFE AND I LIVED CHEAP AND TOGETHER WE PAID BACK MY DEBT.

I'VE EARNED EVERYTHING I HAVE-I NEVER WOULD HAVE ASKED ANYONE ELSE TO PAY FOR ERRORS I HAVE MADE.

HOW DARE PEOPLE THINK THEY SHOULD TAKE FROM ME TO PAY FOR THEIR MISTAKES.

You can leave it at that...WE should decide how and where our "contribution to the government" goes.