Anti Trump Rally Today

[rustyp]

Since when is the library on 466A inside The Villages ? Must be per the "other" newspaper. Media always desperate for your attention.

As for the protesters:
As I see it 2016 voter statistics
Eligible voters 219.0 mil
Registered voters 146.3 mil
Total votes cast 136.2 mil
Total votes for HRC 65.8 mil
Total votes for Trump 63.0 mil
Total votes 3rd parties 7.5 mil
Thus HRC got 65.8/219.0 or 30.0% of eligible votes. HRC got 65.8/136.2 or 48.3% of votes cast. I am having a hard time supporting it is the will of the American people that HRC should have been elected. I will agree to she won more votes than Trump however still less than 50% of all the votes cast. HRC would need 47.5 mil more votes from the I don't give a s--t column to make the statement it is the will of the American people.

[justjim]

So......there is a rally. They have every right to assembly---it will not change anything but as long as it's a peaceful assembly in America you have every right to do so. Thank God we have Freedom!

[janmcn]

Since when is the library on 466A inside The Villages ? Must be per the "other" newspaper. Media always desperate for your attention.

As for the protesters:
As I see it 2016 voter statistics
Eligible voters 219.0 mil
Registered voters 146.3 mil
Total votes cast 136.2 mil
Total votes for HRC 65.8 mil
Total votes for Trump 63.0 mil
Total votes 3rd parties 7.5 mil
Thus HRC got 65.8/219.0 or 30.0% of eligible votes. HRC got 65.8/136.2 or 48.3% of votes cast. I am having a hard time supporting it is the will of the American people that HRC should have been elected. I will agree to she won more votes than Trump however still less than 50% of all the votes cast. HRC would need 47.5 mil more votes from the I don't give a s--t column to make the statement it is the will of the American people.


So what time is the rally? Anybody who doesn't want to say good-bye to their Medicare should plan on attending.

Trump won, Clinton lost, and those of us who wanted to keep our Medicare will just have to suck it up. The majority rules, except for the popular vote in presidential elections.

Trump voters are delirious about their victory. Hopefully none of them has a preexisting condition.

[rustyp]

So what time is the rally? Anybody who doesn't want to say good-bye to their Medicare should plan on attending.

Trump won, Clinton lost, and those of us who wanted to keep our Medicare will just have to suck it up. The majority rules, except for the popular vote in presidential elections.

Trump voters are delirious about their victory. Hopefully none of them has a preexisting condition.

I'm not nearly as worried about my Medicare as others. Again fear and greed the world' two biggest motivators. Look at the statistics about voters from above. 219 mil eligible voters. Only 136.2 mil voted. Today 41 mil are over 65 yrs old. The group getting ready for Medicare 60-64 yrs old is 17 mil. That would make 58/136.2 or 42.5 % of avg number of people that vote on or near Medicare. I say go ahead to my politicians and screw with Medicare and watch what happens to at election time.

[billethkid]

It is amazing the protesting, but if that gives those who lost some solace, then good for them.

We can all thank the wisdom of those who saw the pitfalls, vulnerability and unfairness of the popular vote and came up with the electoral system.

Like it or not that is the way it works.

You all had your ride for 8 years so just suck it up.....and get ready for something to be done rather than just take up space in the WH.......in my humble opinion.

[justjim]

I'm not nearly as worried about my Medicare as others. Again fear and greed the world' two biggest motivators. Look at the statistics about voters from above. 219 mil eligible voters. Only 136.2 mil voted. Today 41 mil are over 65 yrs old. The group getting ready for Medicare 60-64 yrs old is 17 mil. That would make 58/136.2 or 42.5 % of avg number of people that vote on or near Medicare. I say go ahead to my politicians and screw with Medicare and watch what happens to at election time.

You are spot on about Medicare. Messing with Medicare will not get out of Congress. They want to continue to collect their paycheck.

[Allegiance]

100% of the experts said the financial markets will crash if Trump was elected. Just ask rocky. See what happened?

Medicare is more scare tactics that the elite has you believing. Trump has more of a heart than any politican. That is why the vast majority of working America voted for him.

... and with regard to the popular vote, in the next presidential election there will be proper id required so a lot less fraud.

We are the only civilized country that basically let's anyone vote as often as they like.

[Don Baldwin]

I'm not nearly as worried about my Medicare as others. Again fear and greed the world' two biggest motivators. Look at the statistics about voters from above. 219 mil eligible voters. Only 136.2 mil voted. Today 41 mil are over 65 yrs old. The group getting ready for Medicare 60-64 yrs old is 17 mil. That would make 58/136.2 or 42.5 % of avg number of people that vote on or near Medicare. I say go ahead to my politicians and screw with Medicare and watch what happens to at election time.

WHAT will happen? Instead of voting for him...the R...you'll vote for his brother...the D? NOTHING changes with Ds and Rs running the show. The "two" parties is mostly show. Stupid social issues, different industries...in the end they ALL make a ton of money...$10 trillion at least...just under the watch of O.

It is amazing the protesting, but if that gives those who lost some solace, then good for them.

We can all thank the wisdom of those who saw the pitfalls, vulnerability and unfairness of the popular vote and came up with the electoral system.

Like it or not that is the way it works.

You all had your ride for 8 years so just suck it up.....and get ready for something to be done rather than just take up space in the WH.......in my humble opinion.

To be "fair" the EC would be ONE vote per state. Why does CA get more votes than 15 other states? It should get one vote. Do we still count blacks as 3/5ths? They get one, whites get one...each state should get one. Whomever wins the state gets 1 vote...you need 26 to win...OR in case of a tie...you count the popular vote and the winner takes it.

But it's ALL moot...the whole thing is fixed. Our "choice" is between 2 crooks. You can have what I have in my right hand or my left hand...nobody else. I don't own them.

Trump will borrow and spend and a lot of people will get rich. While the country becomes more and more fragmented as the minority majority grows.

[billethkid]

WHAT will happen? Instead of voting for him...the R...you'll vote for his brother...the D? NOTHING changes with Ds and Rs running the show. The "two" parties is mostly show. Stupid social issues, different industries...in the end they ALL make a ton of money...$10 trillion at least...just under the watch of O.



To be "fair" the EC would be ONE vote per state. Why does CA get more votes than 15 other states? It should get one vote. Do we still count blacks as 3/5ths? They get one, whites get one...each state should get one. Whomever wins the state gets 1 vote...you need 26 to win...OR in case of a tie...you count the popular vote and the winner takes it.

But it's ALL moot...the whole thing is fixed. Our "choice" is between 2 crooks. You can have what I have in my right hand or my left hand...nobody else. I don't own them.

Trump will borrow and spend and a lot of people will get rich. While the country becomes more and more fragmented as the minority majority grows.

You must have slipped a gear you erroneously put Trump in the front of the sentence when of course based on content was supposed to be OBAMA! :a20:

[graciegirl]

At the rally today, Did all three of them show up?

[Rockyrd]

At the rally today, Did all three of them show up?

Normally would, should, simply ignore a comment like this, but you are one of the nofacts, just deriding others comments and a relatively new member of the Alt right movement.

Hearing your comments on climate warning where you disagree with your esteemed leader, and on Alex Jones, where again you disagree with your leader, makes me wonder how in the world you got on this ridiculous, non factual wagon.

And because it seems to me, or I took it wrong, your cute liitke post was aimed at posters....I feel compelled, because frankly you people who know so little judge so much....

I surely would never attend such a thing, no matter who the candidate, but unlike you I respect whomever goes right to be there.

I realize with you al right movement, we are to lock step to any bizarre theory you guy has, just remember, this forum has a memory.

[Don Baldwin]

100% of the experts said the financial markets will crash if Trump was elected. Just ask rocky. See what happened?

Medicare is more scare tactics that the elite has you believing. Trump has more of a heart than any politican. That is why the vast majority of working America voted for him.

... and with regard to the popular vote, in the next presidential election there will be proper id required so a lot less fraud.

We are the only civilized country that basically let's anyone vote as often as they like.

Because here...who votes and how they vote doesn't matter...BOTH candidates are crooked and corrupt...BOTH are bought and paid for. The people will vote for no others than the D or R.

You must have slipped a gear you erroneously put Trump in the front of the sentence when of course based on content was supposed to be OBAMA! :a20:

No...O allowed it to happen...Trump WILL allow it to continue. I bet we borrow/spend a record amount under Trump. He'll borrow over $5 billion his first 2 years. I'll bet on it. This includes the bank tricks too like POMOs, QEs, bond manipulation, etc. I think he'll be the "construction" president. Infrastructure, big projects...he likes to revitalize.

Hopefully the jobs don't go to Mexicans. He REALLY needs to send them all home.

[PennBF]

I was going to responde to these anti American people but decided it would be a waste as if they are willing to throw away the American Democracy in favor of a man who's
wife hated America, his worst Presidency in history and the ones trying to gain a follow up to his terrible administration is one who has the moral of an alley cat and a wife who makes Al Copone look like a Saint God save us from these low bottom feeders. :rant-rave:

[Taltarzac725]

I was going to responde to these anti American people but decided it would be a waste as if they are willing to throw away the American Democracy in favor of a man who's
wife hated America, his worst Presidency in history and the ones trying to gain a follow up to his terrible administration is one who has the moral of an alley cat and a wife who makes Al Copone look like a Saint God save us from these low bottom feeders. :rant-rave:

And Donald Trump is any better? We had ****ty choices this year.

[rubicon]

"My Dad can beat up your Dad" No my Dad can beat up your Dad No No.... Well we got a new car and you don't...Well were going to Disney World............Geezzz

How about we have a pro American Rally and praise God for all our blessings

Personal Best Regards:

[graciegirl]

Normally would, should, simply ignore a comment like this, but you are one of the nofacts, just deriding others comments and a relatively new member of the Alt right movement.

Hearing your comments on climate warning where you disagree with your esteemed leader, and on Alex Jones, where again you disagree with your leader, makes me wonder how in the world you got on this ridiculous, non factual wagon.

And because it seems to me, or I took it wrong, your cute liitke post was aimed at posters....I feel compelled, because frankly you people who know so little judge so much....

I surely would never attend such a thing, no matter who the candidate, but unlike you I respect whomever goes right to be there.

I realize with you al right movement, we are to lock step to any bizarre theory you guy has, just remember, this forum has a memory.

Can you summarize that into one understandable sentence?

[debbieingigharbor]

I was going to responde to these anti American people but decided it would be a waste as if they are willing to throw away the American Democracy in favor of a man who's
wife hated America, his worst Presidency in history and the ones trying to gain a follow up to his terrible administration is one who has the moral of an alley cat and a wife who makes Al Copone look like a Saint God save us from these low bottom feeders. :rant-rave:

How can you say he's the worst President in history when he's not even been sworn in yet. :a20:

[debbieingigharbor]

"My Dad can beat up your Dad" No my Dad can beat up your Dad No No.... Well we got a new car and you don't...Well were going to Disney World............Geezzz

How about we have a pro American Rally and praise God for all our blessings

Personal Best Regards:

Who's God do you want to praise?

[Villagesperson]

Can you summarize that into one understandable sentence?

Sure....who do you reference as the "three" ? My question anyway.

[Rockyrd]

"My Dad can beat up your Dad" No my Dad can beat up your Dad No No.... Well we got a new car and you don't...Well were going to Disney World............Geezzz

How about we have a pro American Rally and praise God for all our blessings

Personal Best Regards:

Taking you literally at your word, I can agree with this.

It would be uplifting after this campaign.

[Rockyrd]

Can you summarize that into one understandable sentence?

I didnt understand what "Did all three of them show up" meant ??

Perhaps, I jumped too soon, but it sounded a bit of sarcasm aimed at anyone who felt a bit suspicious about Trump.

If that was not your intent, I apologize but as it stands it makes no sense to me.

[rubicon]

Who's God do you want to praise?

Dear Guest:

Boy are you in trouble according to my mother because she said
"never spit at the heavens because they will spit back" and she was never wrong:D

Who's God? There is only one God who is father to us all:pray:

Personal Best Regards:

[janmcn]

I didnt understand what "Did all three of them show up" meant ??

Perhaps, I jumped too soon, but it sounded a bit of sarcasm aimed at anyone who felt a bit suspicious about Trump.

If that was not your intent, I apologize but as it stands it makes no sense to me.


Could the poster mean that in the entire population of The Villages, only three didn't vote for Trump?

[Rockyrd]

Could the poster mean that in the entire population of The Villages, only three didn't vote for Trump?

Could be.....and if I am wrong I sincerely apologize.

I am so used to being hit with barbed sarcasm, I suppose I see t everywhere so thus.......:)

[justjim]

The no name news has a short video of the rally. it doesn't make any difference but according to the video there were a dozen or two people there exercising their first amendment rights.

[autumnspring]

So what time is the rally? Anybody who doesn't want to say good-bye to their Medicare should plan on attending.

Trump won, Clinton lost, and those of us who wanted to keep our Medicare will just have to suck it up. The majority rules, except for the popular vote in presidential elections.

Trump voters are delirious about their victory. Hopefully none of them has a preexisting condition.

First of all even the people against TRUMP have heard that OBAMA added TEN TRILLION DOLLARS to the national debt. IF, YOU THINK MOST of us will realize that while we can say the words WE TRULY DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH MONEY THAT IS. I've read people try to explain it as freight trains full of $100 bills.

I've more than once asked what did OBAMA BUY WITH THAT MONEY? Roads-NOPE, Parks-NOPE, Better Schools-NOPE, Dams-NOPE, Railroads-NOPE, Hospitals-NOPE. I'VE TRIED TO LOOK IT UP AND ALL I FIND IN DOUBLESPEAK.

I have found a great shock. We have been told China is our largest creditor. THAT IS FALSE-we actually owe slightly more to Japan then to China. WE HAVE BEEN HAD BY OUR GOVERNMENT. Together Japan and China hold 20% of our national debt. SOCIAL SECURITY HOLDS 42% OF THE NATIONAL DEBT. Our government has borrowed our money OBAMA TO A GREATER EXTENT THAN ANY PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION. WE HAD NO CHOICE BUT, LOOK AT THE DEAL WE HAD MADE. THE BORROWER WILL PAY US BACK WHENEVER AND THE BORROWER WILL PAY US BACK WHATEVER RATE OF INTEREST THEY WISH.

THAT MY FRIENDS IS WHY YOU CAN EXPECT CUTS IN YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY CHECK AND WHY YOU WILL FIND MEDICARE SERVICES BEING LESS THAN WHAT WAS PREVIOUS.

My wife and I just went on social security-medicare. Due to the FACT that we worked our butts off for 42 years and we saved for our inevitable getting older WE ARE PAYING TWICE THE MINIMUM FOR MEDICARE AND WE HAVE NO INFLATION PROTECTION.

[Buffalo Jim]

The no name news has a short video of the rally. it doesn't make any difference but according to the video there were a dozen or two people there exercising their first amendment rights.

Regular exercise is a good idea . I hope that they are not too sore when they awake tomorrow from the ass-kicking the Electoral College dealt to their Queen today .

Several of her " people " actually refused to vote for her .

It is so very ironic that the Libs were so very concerned that Trump and his supporters accept the outcome of the election .

After all of their preaching on the subject look at who refused to accept the results of the presidential election . Of course their behavior is all very predictable . Also it`s misplaced and boring .

The Dem Party is in big trouble take note of all of your losses down to the State Legislature level .

It wasn`t all about Trump and so called " angry white men ". The rejection of the far Left elements which have taken control of the Party of FDR across the country should cause true Dems to take note and reject those who have led their Party to such a complete defeat instead of barking at the R`s and the moon .

[Rockyrd]

Regular exercise is a good idea . I hope that they are not too sore when they awake tomorrow from the ass-kicking the Electoral College dealt to their Queen today .

Several of her " people " actually refused to vote for her .

It is so very ironic that the Libs were so very concerned that Trump and his supporters accept the outcome of the election .

After all of their preaching on the subject look at who refused to accept the results of the presidential election . Of course their behavior is all very predictable . Also it`s misplaced and boring .

The Dem Party is in big trouble take note of all of your losses down to the State Legislature level .

It wasn`t all about Trump and so called " angry white men ". The rejection of the far Left elements which have taken control of the Party of FDR across the country should cause true Dems to take note and reject those who have led their Party to such a complete defeat instead of barking at the R`s and the moon .

I only hope that this post is the LAST about the election.

[Golf View]

The no name news has a short video of the rally. it doesn't make any difference but according to the video there were a dozen or two people there exercising their first amendment rights.

Now you protesting losers can go home, sit in the corner with your blankies & suck your thumbs.chilout

[MDLNB]

The anti-Trump rally was so funny! I was wrong though, when I said there would only be about five or six participants. There was ten or twelve....:a20:

I apologize for enjoying your discomfort at Trump being elected. It has been eight long years of listening to his arrogance and his inserting himself into late night TV and interrupting prime time TV constantly with his rants and speeches like he is speaking to a nation of children in a classroom. He was more interested in high approval ratings than leading the best country in the world. And he never did feel that America was great, always apologizing for it. Thank goodness he will be gone in about a month. As far as I am concerned, he can't pack his sh*t fast enough and vacate the scene.

What did any of you really expect to accomplish with your pitiful little rally? Did it make you feel better to get your photo put in the LOCAL newspaper?

Every time I hear one of you warn us that Trump is going to take away our Social Security or Medicare I have to laugh at your peevish little childish rant. Obamacare stole over half a trillion bucks from our Medicare to pay for Medicaid. I do not hear any of you libtards crying about that. You never did complain. You libtards are pathetic and pitiful.

You lost and I am going to take a few moments to enjoy this fact. It was not the reason for my vote against Hillary, but it is a nice little benefit, your panic and gloom and doom crying. God Bless America!

[rubicon]

I only hope that this post is the LAST about the election.

Dear Guest:

From your lips to God's ear... However it isn't going to happen. John Podesta can't bring himself to admit the election was fair and his response is a bellwether for the party as a whole.

I look for Michael Moore and all of the usual suspects in Hollywood to continue their assaults on Trump. Alex Baldwin will continue his poor characterization of Trump on SNL to placate his Hollywood comrades

Many progressives just can't grasp what a terrible candidate Hillary was nor understand that her malfeasance and elitist attitude did not sit well with even members of her own party . They cannot grasp that the majority of America rejected the Democratic platform

Trump appears to have been a marginal candidate yet he was able to pull of this election. How will he govern????

His picks for his Administration would indicate that he has an open mind. I wonder if he has intentionally sent in a few sacrificial lambs as a method of detraction. Perhaps not?

But one can guarantee that those oppose to Trump both on the left and right are so invested with their dislike for the man, that they will continue their campaigns against him for no other purpose or reason then to continue to diminish the man and his accomplishments

Personal Best Regards:

[graciegirl]

Dear Guest:

From your lips to God's ear... However it isn't going to happen. John Podesta can't bring himself to admit the election was fair and his response is a bellwether for the party as a whole.

I look for Michael Moore and all of the usual suspects in Hollywood to continue their assaults on Trump. Alex Baldwin will continue his poor characterization of Trump on SNL to placate his Hollywood comrades

Many progressives just can't grasp what a terrible candidate Hillary was nor understand that her malfeasance and elitist attitude did not sit well with even members of her own party . They cannot grasp that the majority of America rejected the Democratic platform

Trump appears to have been a marginal candidate yet he was able to pull of this election. How will he govern????

His picks for his Administration would indicate that he has an open mind. I wonder if he has intentionally sent in a few sacrificial lambs as a method of detraction. Perhaps not?

But one can guarantee that those oppose to Trump both on the left and right are so invested with their dislike for the man, that they will continue their campaigns against him for no other purpose or reason then to continue to diminish the man and his accomplishments

Personal Best Regards:


Well said.

G.G.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Good job protestors. Three democratic electors tried to flip on Hillary and were replaced. Four more actually did flip on Hillary. Two republican electors flipped on Trump.
The net result is that Trump's victory is even larger.

Time to get the message.

[ColdNoMore]

But one can guarantee that those oppose to Trump both on the left and right are so invested with their dislike for the man, that they will continue their campaigns against him for no other purpose or reason then to continue to diminish the man and his accomplishments


Oh the irony! :1rotfl:

You've just described the millions, like yourself, who've acted that way toward Obama for the last 8 years...but are too ignorant to see the hypocrisy. :ohdear:

[MDLNB]

Oh the irony! :1rotfl:

You've just described the millions, like yourself, who've acted that way toward Obama for the last 8 years...but are too ignorant to see the hypocrisy. :ohdear:

My, don't you sound like a despondent and petulant soul.

Cheer up.............or not. It doesn't matter what you think.

[janmcn]

Regular exercise is a good idea . I hope that they are not too sore when they awake tomorrow from the ass-kicking the Electoral College dealt to their Queen today .

Several of her " people " actually refused to vote for her .

It is so very ironic that the Libs were so very concerned that Trump and his supporters accept the outcome of the election .

After all of their preaching on the subject look at who refused to accept the results of the presidential election . Of course their behavior is all very predictable . Also it`s misplaced and boring .

The Dem Party is in big trouble take note of all of your losses down to the State Legislature level .

It wasn`t all about Trump and so called " angry white men ". The rejection of the far Left elements which have taken control of the Party of FDR across the country should cause true Dems to take note and reject those who have led their Party to such a complete defeat instead of barking at the R`s and the moon .


We won't have to worry about FDR's New Deal much longer. The GOP's first order of business is end Medicare and Medicaid, privatize social security and the VA, and end Obamacare.

They finally have their stooge in the White House who will sign the bills to do just that,

[autumnspring]

We won't have to worry about FDR's New Deal much longer. The GOP's first order of business is end Medicare and Medicaid, privatize social security and the VA, and end Obamacare.

They finally have their stooge in the White House who will sign the bills to do just that,

That has been proposed several times BUT IT IS SIMPLY CRAZY.

THE STOCK MARKET ALWAYS GOES UP EXCEPT WHEN IT DOESN'T.

If, one investor does better than another the SOCIALIST LIBERALS would SCREAM they should redistribute the wealth of those who did well.

The stock market always goes up. People who put money into the stock market for the 1932 great depression did in fact recover the money they put in IF THEY HAD A WELL DIVERSIFIED PORTFOLIO. They did recover around 1968
Assuming they were 25 in 1932 they were 61 in 1968.

OF COURSE WE WOULD EXPECT AND DEMAND THAT OUR GOVERNMENT ARRANGE SHORT SALES.

[Chi-Town]

Good job protestors. Three democratic electors tried to flip on Hillary and were replaced. Four more actually did flip on Hillary. Two republican electors flipped on Trump.
The net result is that Trump's victory is even larger.

Time to get the message.
Title this: Electoral College cast votes for Trump.....

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[Buffalo Jim]

We won't have to worry about FDR's New Deal much longer. The GOP's first order of business is end Medicare and Medicaid, privatize social security and the VA, and end Obamacare.

They finally have their stooge in the White House who will sign the bills to do just that,

FDR`s " New Deal " didn`t work very well for FDR . Even very Liberal professors started to admit as much in their classroom lectures starting about 1968 .

Sadly it was an all out War that provided much growth to the economy and gave rise to the prosperity of the 50`s and 60`s .
And it was the " we can have both guns and butter " programs of LBJ that ended the growth pattern and fed economic stagnation and high inflation .
I very much doubt that Medicare will get messed with in any manner which might impact you nor will Social Security . Even if the R`s are as mean-spirited and hateful as you may well believe them to be , even as stupid as you feel they are , they are not suicidal .

[Buffalo Jim]

Oh the irony! :1rotfl:

You've just described the millions, like yourself, who've acted that way toward Obama for the last 8 years...but are too ignorant to see the hypocrisy. :ohdear:

Most people I know were adult enough to quietly tolerate your man Obie the drug-dealer for his 8 year reign .

[janmcn]

FDR`s " New Deal " didn`t work very well for FDR . Even very Liberal professors started to admit as much in their classroom lectures starting about 1968 .

Sadly it was an all out War that provided much growth to the economy and gave rise to the prosperity of the 50`s and 60`s .
And it was the " we can have both guns and butter " programs of LBJ that ended the growth pattern and fed economic stagnation and high inflation .
I very much doubt that Medicare will get messed with in any manner which might impact you nor will Social Security . Even if the R`s are as mean-spirited and hateful as you may well believe them to be , even as stupid as you feel they are , they are not suicidal .



And Osama Bin Laden was not determined to attack the US.

[Buffalo Jim]

And Osama Bin Laden was not determined to attack the US.

It was Clinton who had no concern about Bin Laden .

How does your comment follow from the post that you quoted .

My feeble mind is unable to connect the dots so please help me .

[rustyp]

We won't have to worry about FDR's New Deal much longer. The GOP's first order of business is end Medicare and Medicaid, privatize social security and the VA, and end Obamacare.

They finally have their stooge in the White House who will sign the bills to do just that,

Assuming you are a senior it must be a terrible life for you living in fear of the government ruining Medicare and Social Security. At my age I'm enjoying what is left. Fear and greed, that's how they get you to go along with whatever their agenda is.

[janmcn]

Assuming you are a senior it must be a terrible life for you living in fear of the government ruining Medicare and Social Security. At my age I'm enjoying what is left. Fear and greed, that's how they get you to go along with whatever their agenda is.


One of two things; either you don't have a pre-existing condition or you can afford $10,000 per month to be in a high risk pool.

[Buffalo Jim]

Assuming you are a senior it must be a terrible life for you living in fear of the government ruining Medicare and Social Security. At my age I'm enjoying what is left. Fear and greed, that's how they get you to go along with whatever their agenda is.


" Their agenda " ? Who are the people you are referring to ?

Are you listening too closely to your " Elf on a Shelf " again this season ?

[Warren Kiefer]

Can you summarize that into one understandable sentence?

What hell is this idiot trying to say ?? I am with you and think this poster is rowing his boat with only one oar.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

We won't have to worry about FDR's New Deal much longer. The GOP's first order of business is end Medicare and Medicaid, privatize social security and the VA, and end Obamacare.

They finally have their stooge in the White House who will sign the bills to do just that,

Where in god's name do you get these insane ideas?
Republicans want to end Medicare and Medicaid?

Privatizing social security may not be a bad idea seeing as how congress borrowed trillions for it and never paid it back.

I disagree with privatizing the VA however. The VA should just be demolished. Just give our veterans top notch medical coverage and let them go to the doctors and hospitals of their choice. It would be a lot cheaper and the quality of care would be a lot better than that bungled bureaucracy.

It's becoming obvious even to those on the left that Obamacare is not working. Premiums have increased by 125% in some states. It can never work and I don't think it was ever meant to work. IMHO it was a first step to single payer, government, cradle to the grave healthcare.

[Rockyrd]

Where in god's name do you get these insane ideas?
Republicans want to end Medicare and Medicaid?

Privatizing social security may not be a bad idea seeing as how congress borrowed trillions for it and never paid it back.

I disagree with privatizing the VA however. The VA should just be demolished. Just give our veterans top notch medical coverage and let them go to the doctors and hospitals of their choice. It would be a lot cheaper and the quality of care would be a lot better than that bungled bureaucracy.

It's becoming obvious even to those on the left that Obamacare is not working. Premiums have increased by 125% in some states. It can never work and I don't think it was ever meant to work. IMHO it was a first step to single payer, government, cradle to the grave healthcare.

It is in the air, I just have a hunch the Medicaire/Medicaire privatization may happen even before ACA goes down

"President-elect Donald Trump's selection of Rep. Tom Price to head the Department of Health and Human Services signals that the new administration is all-in on both efforts to repeal the Affordable Care Act and restructure Medicare and Medicaid.

Price, a Georgia Republican who currently chairs the House Budget Committee, was among the first to suggest that not just the ACA but also Medicare are on the near-term agenda for newly empowered Republicans.


Privatizing the Medicare program for seniors and disabled people and turning the Medicaid program for the poor back to the states are long-time goals for Republicans in Congress and the White House. They say the moves could help put the brakes on health spending. Opponents argue, however, that both changes are aimed instead at shifting the financial burden of health care from the federal budget to states and individuals."

Access Denied (http://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2016-11-30/tom-price-appointment-underscores-gop-plans-to-overhaul-medicare-and-medicaid)

Just noticed my link say "access denied"... don't get it, but it is US News and World Report on the Price appointment

On the VA, does not Trump want to simply ADD private care as a choice to existing centers ?

[rustyp]

" Their agenda " ? Who are the people you are referring to ?

Are you listening too closely to your " Elf on a Shelf " again this season ?

Beats listening to the sky is falling.

[Don Baldwin]

Beats listening to the sky is falling.

The sky IS falling...due to the growing minority majority. We've gone from #1 to #25.

[MDLNB]

Anyway, back to the thread subject.

I want to thank all ten or twelve of the libtards that demonstrated to get the Electors to change their vote. The Electors did change their votes and gave Hillary a final tally less than what the count was on election day. So, you all were convincing and it was not a waste of time. Trump thanks you.

[janmcn]

Where in god's name do you get these insane ideas?
Republicans want to end Medicare and Medicaid?

Privatizing social security may not be a bad idea seeing as how congress borrowed trillions for it and never paid it back.

I disagree with privatizing the VA however. The VA should just be demolished. Just give our veterans top notch medical coverage and let them go to the doctors and hospitals of their choice. It would be a lot cheaper and the quality of care would be a lot better than that bungled bureaucracy.

It's becoming obvious even to those on the left that Obamacare is not working. Premiums have increased by 125% in some states. It can never work and I don't think it was ever meant to work. IMHO it was a first step to single payer, government, cradle to the grave healthcare.



Do you still have relatives in MA? Are any of them enrolled in Romneycare (the model for Obamacare). This health care insurance has been in place since 2004, passed when Mitt Romney was governor. It covers 100% of children, 90% of adults and has an approval rating of 85%. All these people will lose their decade old insurance when Obamacare is repealed.

Insurance companies will be able to drop customers if/when they get sick. They will be able to deny coverage to anyone with a pre-existing condition. Anybody using prescription drugs will have to contend with the doughnut hole. Gone are all the diagnostic tests which currently have no co-pays.

Obamacare benefits Medicare enrollees as much as it benefits the 22 million ACA enrollees.



It is in the air, I just have a hunch the Medicaire/Medicaire privatization may happen even before ACA goes down

"President-elect Donald Trump's selection of Rep. Tom Price to head the Department of Health and Human Services signals that the new administration is all-in on both efforts to repeal the Affordable Care Act and restructure Medicare and Medicaid.

Price, a Georgia Republican who currently chairs the House Budget Committee, was among the first to suggest that not just the ACA but also Medicare are on the near-term agenda for newly empowered Republicans.


Privatizing the Medicare program for seniors and disabled people and turning the Medicaid program for the poor back to the states are long-time goals for Republicans in Congress and the White House. They say the moves could help put the brakes on health spending. Opponents argue, however, that both changes are aimed instead at shifting the financial burden of health care from the federal budget to states and individuals."

Access Denied (http://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2016-11-30/tom-price-appointment-underscores-gop-plans-to-overhaul-medicare-and-medicaid)

Just noticed my link say "access denied"... don't get it, but it is US News and World Report on the Price appointment

On the VA, does not Trump want to simply ADD private care as a choice to existing centers ?



Thanks for the link. This was another big lie by Trump. He said over and over (sometimes three times a day) that he would not touch the social safety net covering millions of people. Could some of them be his own voters?

But in less than two weeks after winning the election, he selects Rep Tom Price, MD (R-GA) as his sec of HHS. This is the same guy who thinks women should be fired from their jobs if they use birth control. Can anyone explain the logic behind that?

[Rockyrd]

Do you still have relatives in MA? Are any of them enrolled in Romneycare (the model for Obamacare). This health care insurance has been in place since 2004, passed when Mitt Romney was governor. It covers 100% of children, 90% of adults and has an approval rating of 85%. All these people will lose their decade old insurance when Obamacare is repealed.

Insurance companies will be able to drop customers if/when they get sick. They will be able to deny coverage to anyone with a pre-existing condition. Anybody using prescription drugs will have to contend with the doughnut hole. Gone are all the diagnostic tests which currently have no co-pays.

Obamacare benefits Medicare enrollees as much as it benefits the 22 million ACA enrollees.







Thanks for the link. This was another big lie by Trump. He said over and over (sometimes three times a day) that he would not touch the social safety net covering millions of people. Could some of them be his own voters?

But in less than two weeks after winning the election, he selects Rep Tom Price, MD (R-GA) as his sec of HHS. This is the same guy who thinks women should be fired from their jobs if they use birth control. Can anyone explain the logic behind that?

As with any post showing how Trump outlandishly lied to all his followers, there will be replies about Clinton and/or race to follow.

He lied so much and these folks still buy into what he is selling. He is a good salesman, and we complain about the landscapers promising and then walking away !

"So what would happen if Ryan got his wish and Medicare became privatized? Rather than having the federal government cover seniors' medical costs, as Medicare currently works, the federal government would supply seniors with federal subsidies that would help them purchase private insurance.

It's a system that Ryan says would fix the "serious problems" introduced by the Affordable Care Act — but according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, Obama's healthcare reform actually improved Medicare's finances, and the program is further from bankruptcy than its ever been."

What Does Privatizing Medicare Mean? It Could Have A Significant Impact On Coverage (https://www.romper.com/p/what-does-privatizing-medicare-mean-it-could-have-a-significant-impact-on-coverage-22500)

"Privatization of Medicare means changing Medicare from a guaranteed benefits program for seniors into a premium assistance program: a voucher or coupon an individual uses to buy insurance on the open market. The coupon has a fixed value – there’s no guarantee a person can get the level of coverage they need, nor the monthly premiums or deductibles that are affordable on a fixed income. A $500 coupon is useless if the product the person needs to buy costs $5000 a month."

Privatized Medicare means there would no longer be a guarantee that senior citizens have health insurance coverage for hospital visits (Medicare Part A that usually has no monthly premium). It also means higher costs for doctor visits and prescription drugs (Medicare Parts B and D, both of which already require monthly premiums for most retirees). Increases would happen because privatizing Medicare shifts the negotiating power away from the government and onto the individual against the open market. All retirees on Medicare are basically a giant insurance “group”, and the government uses those millions of members as leverage when negotiating rates. Privatizing puts you – alone – against the insurance companies; buying your own private health insurance policy."

What Does Privatization of Medicare and Social Security Mean? (http://www.politusic.com/politics/what-privatization-medicare-social-security-mean/)

This should be of great concern to anyone living here, and not being an insurance expert by any stretch of the imagination, anyone with a background, please jump in and either reinforce the fears or reduce them with your expertise.

[Rockyrd]

A but more on this Medicaire plan. Trying to read as much as possible on Ryans plan, which it appears the President elect now endorses

"On the campaign trail, President-elect Donald Trump promised not to touch Medicare or Social Security, but Trump's selection of Tom Leppert to lead the "landing team" at the Social Security Administration may suggest Trump's administration could move in a different direction."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-s-social-security-adviser-called-for-privatization-of-medicare


This is speaking of the Ryan plan and if I recall the President elect said in a general way that he endorses all his plans...

"He calls his plan, unveiled in June, “A Better Way.” Key elements include raising the age of eligibility from 65 to 67; merging Medicare Part A and B, including the premiums and deductibles; and gradually privatizing the system with government-issued vouchers or “premium supports” to defray the cost of insurance policies purchased by seniors on the open market."

One Expert Says Seniors Would Lose with Ryan’s Medicare Plan | The Fiscal Times (http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/11/23/One-Expert-Says-Seniors-Would-Lose-Ryan-s-Medicare-Plan)

[Rockyrd]

Do you still have relatives in MA? Are any of them enrolled in Romneycare (the model for Obamacare). This health care insurance has been in place since 2004, passed when Mitt Romney was governor. It covers 100% of children, 90% of adults and has an approval rating of 85%. All these people will lose their decade old insurance when Obamacare is repealed.

Insurance companies will be able to drop customers if/when they get sick. They will be able to deny coverage to anyone with a pre-existing condition. Anybody using prescription drugs will have to contend with the doughnut hole. Gone are all the diagnostic tests which currently have no co-pays.

Obamacare benefits Medicare enrollees as much as it benefits the 22 million ACA enrollees.







Thanks for the link. This was another big lie by Trump. He said over and over (sometimes three times a day) that he would not touch the social safety net covering millions of people. Could some of them be his own voters?

But in less than two weeks after winning the election, he selects Rep Tom Price, MD (R-GA) as his sec of HHS. This is the same guy who thinks women should be fired from their jobs if they use birth control. Can anyone explain the logic behind that?

""Drain the swamp" was a refrain of Donald Trump during the presidential campaign, but Newt Gingrich says the president-elect "doesn't want to use it anymore" now that he's knee-deep in alligators.

"I'm told he now just disclaims that. He now says it was cute, but he doesn't want to use it anymore," Gingrich, who informally advises Trump, said Wednesday on NPR's "Morning Edition."


Gingrich: Trump dropping 'drain the swamp' - CNNPolitics.com (http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/21/politics/newt-gingrich-trump-drain-the-swamp/)

[janmcn]

Trump voters didn’t take him literally on Obamacare. Oops? - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-voters-didnt-take-him-literally-on-obamacare-oops/2016/12/20/46ef3cae-c6f3-11e6-bf4b-2c064d32a4bf_story.html?postshare=4101482279934081&tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.33b049f69532)


This opinion column says that 30 million people could lose their health care with no replacement. The largest demographic involved is Trump voters, who say they took Trump's threat figuratively, not literally. Oops.

[justjim]

Trump voters ----you should be careful what you wish for. Seriously, what did you expect from a billionaire who four times filed bankruptcy and "screwed" his investors---you were going to believe a guy with as little intregity as that? Fortunately, there are checks and balances built into our form of government. It's going to be a train wreck but somebody will come along and put the train back on the track. But....I'm afraid it's going to be a long four years.

[Don Baldwin]

Trump voters ----you should be careful what you wish for. Seriously, what did you expect from a billionaire who four times filed bankruptcy and "screwed" his investors---you were going to believe a guy with as little intregity as that? Fortunately, there are checks and balances built into our form of government. It's going to be a train wreck but somebody will come along and put the train back on the track. But....I'm afraid it's going to be a long four years.

The REST of the politicians are all lawyers...and they're WORSE!

[janmcn]

Anyway, back to the thread subject.

I want to thank all ten or twelve of the libtards that demonstrated to get the Electors to change their vote. The Electors did change their votes and gave Hillary a final tally less than what the count was on election day. So, you all were convincing and it was not a waste of time. Trump thanks you.


Remember all the protestors when the electors met to vote on Obama? Of course not, cause it never happened. Obama beat Mitt Romney by five million votes.

Remember when Obama spent months after he won chastising John McCain and Mitt Romney? Again it never happened.

[Rockyrd]

The REST of the politicians are all lawyers...and they're WORSE!

"President-elect Donald Trump's Cabinet picks have a net worth greater than the world's 70 smallest countries, The Boston Globe reported Wednesday."

Trump Cabinet's net worth greater than the world's 70 smallest countries | TheHill (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/311323-trumps-cabinet-has-a-net-worth-greater-than-the-worlds-70)

[Don Baldwin]

"President-elect Donald Trump's Cabinet picks have a net worth greater than the world's 70 smallest countries, The Boston Globe reported Wednesday."

Trump Cabinet's net worth greater than the world's 70 smallest countries | TheHill (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/311323-trumps-cabinet-has-a-net-worth-greater-than-the-worlds-70)

The swamp is full...meet the new boss...same as the old boss...same as it ever was.

How many ways can you say...you've been had? He's no rogue...he's one of them. If the EC elects him, he's a "made man"...that's what the EC does, it ensures that "they" remain in control. NOBODY voted for Trump...they ALL voted for an elector who's vote is the ONLY vote to count. The Ds had their electors, the Rs their own. Trump got more.

[MDLNB]

The swamp is full...meet the new boss...same as the old boss...same as it ever was.

How many ways can you say...you've been had? He's no rogue...he's one of them. If the EC elects him, he's a "made man"...that's what the EC does, it ensures that "they" remain in control. NOBODY voted for Trump...they ALL voted for an elector who's vote is the ONLY vote to count. The Ds had their electors, the Rs their own. Trump got more.

And your choice would have been? Being realistic, of course.

[Don Baldwin]

And your choice would have been? Being realistic, of course.

ANYONE but a D or R. Because ANYONE from either party WILL screw us some more. Hillary would have screwed us...Trump will screw us...give him time.

A 3rd party winner would have caused gridlock...about the best thing that could have happened. Nothing happening for 4 years.

I'd rather have your cat as president than a known corrupt crook and that IS what we're getting. Another corrupt politician. Trump may not have run for office...but he's a politician.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

ANYONE but a D or R. Because ANYONE from either party WILL screw us some more. Hillary would have screwed us...Trump will screw us...give him time.

A 3rd party winner would have caused gridlock...about the best thing that could have happened. Nothing happening for 4 years.

I'd rather have your cat as president than a known corrupt crook and that IS what we're getting. Another corrupt politician. Trump may not have run for office...but he's a politician.

I think that's why a lot of people voted from Trump. He may have an R after his name, but the party did not embrace him and he fought with the party. Once he won, they had no choice but to accept him. But, I don't see him towing the party line. He is someone from outside of politics and I think that a lot of people are tired of career politicians. We need to get back to the citizen government that the founders intended this to be and Trump is the first step. Now if we can only get term limits for congress we really be on our way.

[MDLNB]

I think that's why a lot of people voted from Trump. He may have an R after his name, but the party did not embrace him and he fought with the party. Once he won, they had no choice but to accept him. But, I don't see him towing the party line. He is someone from outside of politics and I think that a lot of people are tired of career politicians. We need to get back to the citizen government that the founders intended this to be and Trump is the first step. Now if we can only get term limits for congress we really be on our way.

Excellent point.

[MDLNB]

ANYONE but a D or R. Because ANYONE from either party WILL screw us some more. Hillary would have screwed us...Trump will screw us...give him time.

A 3rd party winner would have caused gridlock...about the best thing that could have happened. Nothing happening for 4 years.

I'd rather have your cat as president than a known corrupt crook and that IS what we're getting. Another corrupt politician. Trump may not have run for office...but he's a politician.

So, once again you have no answer. Anyone would be someone. Everyone that runs for office has a D or R, or I next to their name. Wake up and learn how to cope with the real world and work WITH the system and tools available instead of trying to re-write the rules. All you do is complain, with absolutely NO solution. Your answer of "any but" is not a solution or an answer. It is a complaint. Leave the bit*hing to the women.

[Don Baldwin]

I think that's why a lot of people voted from Trump. He may have an R after his name, but the party did not embrace him and he fought with the party. Once he won, they had no choice but to accept him. But, I don't see him towing the party line. He is someone from outside of politics and I think that a lot of people are tired of career politicians. We need to get back to the citizen government that the founders intended this to be and Trump is the first step. Now if we can only get term limits for congress we really be on our way.

They voted for him for those reasons...but that's not what they got. They got...meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Trump will borrow and spend like all the rest. It's the "whole system" that is corrupt. The entire political system, the D and R parties, the whole thing.

IF you REALLY want to get back to "citizen governance", you MUST start at the bottom and never vote for a D or R because they're from the corrupt parties. Vote for a CITIZEN, an independent. At the town level, no Ds or Rs, only Is. At the state level...no Ds or Rs, only Is. At the national level, no more D or R Congressmen or Senators. No D or R judges. NO Ds or Rs period.

You guarantee corruption and theft if you elect them.

The FIRST step is to clean out at the town level and work yourself up. The president has a lot less power than you think. The real power lies behind the throne. Once Trump was elected and the EC blessed him, I knew the fix was in, the whole "rogue" thing was "reality TV", and Trump played his role masterfully.
He's "one of them" and he'll act accordingly. Look who his picks are...he'll borrow and spend like never before. Watch...


So, once again you have no answer. Anyone would be someone. Everyone that runs for office has a D or R, or I next to their name. Wake up and learn how to cope with the real world and work WITH the system and tools available instead of trying to re-write the rules. All you do is complain, with absolutely NO solution. Your answer of "any but" is not a solution or an answer. It is a complaint. Leave the bit*hing to the women.

There you have it...the "I". THAT is who you vote for. ANYONE but a D or R is pretty straight forward...why did it take you this long to get it?

The "system" is corrupt. That's why no more Ds or Rs. They're ALL corrupt. At least you have a chance of a "good honest Mr Smith" when you choose the "I".

[MDLNB]

There you have it...the "I". THAT is who you vote for. ANYONE but a D or R is pretty straight forward...why did it take you this long to get it?

The "system" is corrupt. That's why no more Ds or Rs. They're ALL corrupt. At least you have a chance of a "good honest Mr Smith" when you choose the "I".

That is the most ludicrous statements of all the crap that comes out of your mouth. Vote the "I" ???? You have to be kidding. Vote for Gary the dope pusher/user? You have to be a pot head to even consider that guy. Gary has no clue of what day it is, let alone what is happening in the world.

Never mind, you satisfied my question. Please do not ever suggest "anyone but" again and then follow it up with the "I." You do know that Gary tried being an "R" right?

[Don Baldwin]

That is the most ludicrous statements of all the crap that comes out of your mouth. Vote the "I" ???? You have to be kidding. Vote for Gary the dope pusher/user? You have to be a pot head to even consider that guy. Gary has no clue of what day it is, let alone what is happening in the world.

Never mind, you satisfied my question. Please do not ever suggest "anyone but" again and then follow it up with the "I." You do know that Gary tried being an "R" right?

Well lady...Gary WASN'T an "I", he was an "L". YOU appear to have no clue what day it is...because of your xanax fix...from your local dope pusher pharmacy?

Again...oh clueless one with a huge opinion...Gary was NOT an "I".

BTW, he was the governor of a state...what are your credentials? If he'd been tough on Hispanics, I'd have probably voted for him. I'm more libertarian than anything else.

You'd rather have a guy who is lying to you from a party that lies to you? That's what you got...didn't matter which one, the D or the R...the result is the same...more freedoms lost and deeper into debt we go.

Question: WHY do you always insist that "I" tell YOU whom to vote for? Use your brain and decide for yourself.

[MDLNB]

Well lady...Gary WASN'T an "I", he was an "L". YOU appear to have no clue what day it is...because of your xanax fix...from your local dope pusher pharmacy?

Again...oh clueless one with a huge opinion...Gary was NOT an "I".

BTW, he was the governor of a state...what are your credentials? If he'd been tough on Hispanics, I'd have probably voted for him. I'm more libertarian than anything else.

You'd rather have a guy who is lying to you from a party that lies to you? That's what you got...didn't matter which one, the D or the R...the result is the same...more freedoms lost and deeper into debt we go.

Question: WHY do you always insist that "I" tell YOU whom to vote for? Use your brain and decide for yourself.

Lady? No wonder @ssholes like you can't keep a partner. You don't know the difference in genders. You are an idiot, which makes me insanely patient to be able to even grant you a bit of my time.

No, I did not ask you who to vote for. I simply put you on the spot for your idiotic and meaningless statement to vote for someone else, other than a politician. Because ALL politicians lie and you know it. You made a fool of yourself, saying someone should vote for an "I." And "I" is just a failed "R" or "D" that got rejected by their party. That's why Gary the dope head is a loser. And now, just shut the F up and quit your bellyaching about life. Life doesn't suit you, we get it. All you have are complaints about everyone else, when the problem stares at you in the mirror. Do something about that and you will find out that the rest of the world may not be as bad as you picture it. So what if you had some bad breaks. No one sympathizes with you when you are an A$$.

When you have a solution to whatever your fantasy says is the problem with the world, come back and give us a hint. Because so far, you have said nothing for the past six months that I have been reading your cr@p.

OH, and an "L" by his name really gives him more credibility because that makes him even more liberal. A Liberal-tarian with a dope addiction. Just what someone like you would want to lead from behind.

[janmcn]

Don't forget the pro-Trump march and rally on inauguration day. We will be marching along CR466, then up to the polo grounds where we will have a giant bonfire and burn our Medicare cards in support of Trump's plan to end this program. We hope to have 50,000 marchers.

[AJ32162]

Don't forget the pro-Trump march and rally on inauguration day. We will be marching along CR466, then up to the polo grounds where we will have a giant bonfire and burn our Medicare cards in support of Trump's plan to end this program. We hope to have 50,000 marchers.

Well, hopefully Trump won't take away your EBC Card.:D

[Buffalo Jim]

Don't forget the pro-Trump march and rally on inauguration day. We will be marching along CR466, then up to the polo grounds where we will have a giant bonfire and burn our Medicare cards in support of Trump's plan to end this program. We hope to have 50,000 marchers.

Where did he say that he was going to end Medicare . I heard him say that he feels Medicare is working and is a good program .

He said this when he shared that Obama-Care should be reshaped to operate more like Medicare .

He said that Obama -care is too expensive for most households and due to it`s sky-high deductibles does not really work for anyone .
So please enlighten us with some factual information .

[autumnspring]

So what time is the rally? Anybody who doesn't want to say good-bye to their Medicare should plan on attending.

Trump won, Clinton lost, and those of us who wanted to keep our Medicare will just have to suck it up. The majority rules, except for the popular vote in presidential elections.

Trump voters are delirious about their victory. Hopefully none of them has a preexisting condition.

You are mindlessly HYSTERICAL. OR SHOULD THAT BE HILARYISTICAL.

First of all TRUMP is the president. GO GET YOURSELF SOME PLAY DOUGH AND A COLORING BOOK.

In the REAL WORLD-NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH OBAMALAND. Trump has stated that he will keep the part of Obamacare that insures pre-existing conditions. Besides
medicare covers pre-existing conditons.

YOU an uninformed LIBERAL, even under a rock have heard that OBAMA, who you surely voted for, added TEN TRILLION DOLLARS to the national debt.

I personally simply cannot comprehend what TEN TRILLION DOLLARS IS. In an attempt to understand what TEN TRILLION DOLLARS IS, it is freight trains full of hundred dollar bills.

We have been told that China is our biggest creditor-THAT IS YET ANOTHER LIE FROM OUR LIBERAL CONTROLLED PRESS AND FORMER PROGRESSIVE CONTROLLED GOVERNMENT. First of all we owe more to JAPAN then to CHINA. MORE IMPORTANT, together, Japan and China hold 20% of our national debt-SOCIAL SECURITY OWNS 42% OF THE NATIONAL DEBT.

I keep ASKING what did OBAMA BUY WITH MY/OUR TEN TRILLION DOLLARS. I've tried to look up an answer and all I find is doublespeak

[MDLNB]

You are mindlessly HYSTERICAL. OR SHOULD THAT BE HILARYISTICAL.

First of all TRUMP is the president. GO GET YOURSELF SOME PLAY DOUGH AND A COLORING BOOK.

In the REAL WORLD-NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH OBAMALAND. Trump has stated that he will keep the part of Obamacare that insures pre-existing conditions. Besides
medicare covers pre-existing conditons.

YOU an uninformed LIBERAL, even under a rock have heard that OBAMA, who you surely voted for, added TEN TRILLION DOLLARS to the national debt.

I personally simply cannot comprehend what TEN TRILLION DOLLARS IS. In an attempt to understand what TEN TRILLION DOLLARS IS, it is freight trains full of hundred dollar bills.

We have been told that China is our biggest creditor-THAT IS YET ANOTHER LIE FROM OUR LIBERAL CONTROLLED PRESS AND FORMER PROGRESSIVE CONTROLLED GOVERNMENT. First of all we owe more to JAPAN then to CHINA. MORE IMPORTANT, together, Japan and China hold 20% of our national debt-SOCIAL SECURITY OWNS 42% OF THE NATIONAL DEBT.

I keep ASKING what did OBAMA BUY WITH MY/OUR TEN TRILLION DOLLARS. I've tried to look up an answer and all I find is doublespeak

:thumbup:

[Buffalo Jim]

I keep ASKING what did OBAMA BUY WITH MY/OUR TEN TRILLION DOLLARS. I've tried to look up an answer and all I find is doublespeak .

He used the money to pay his self-defined International Reparations out of shame for the USA`s contributions to the World and to show disrespect for the nearly 600,000 American`s who gave their young lives in various wars since 1900 .

[janmcn]

I keep ASKING what did OBAMA BUY WITH MY/OUR TEN TRILLION DOLLARS. I've tried to look up an answer and all I find is doublespeak .

He used the money to pay his self-defined International Reparations out of shame for the USA`s contributions to the World and to show disrespect for the nearly 600,000 American`s who gave their young lives in various wars since 1900 .


A big chunk of that 10 trillion went to pay for two unnecessary wars that George W Bush lied to get us into. And to pay for the same Bush's unpaid for Medicare Part D.

[MDLNB]

A big chunk of that 10 trillion went to pay for two unnecessary wars that George W Bush lied to get us into. And to pay for the same Bush's unpaid for Medicare Part D.

There it is folks, it's still Bush's fault. The left can never accept responsibility for it's failures. That's why the left will not accept that Hitlery LOST the election, AGAIN. Losers begat losers. Sorry folks, no participation awards for second place.

[MDLNB]

I understand that there was a 100% turnout for the Anti-Trump rally. All fifteen of the Villages libtards showed up. The largest showing for Hillary yet. One of Hillary's, actually Kaine's rallies had to be cancelled because no one showed, but not this one. Everyone turned out in support of the dead horse. Or, would it be sexist to call her the dead cow? CNM had a great time, waving her "Never Trump" sign at pedestrians. Some folks thought it was a LBGTQ rally and turned out in support in their clown outfits.

[janmcn]

There it is folks, it's still Bush's fault. The left can never accept responsibility for it's failures. That's why the left will not accept that Hitlery LOST the election, AGAIN. Losers begat losers. Sorry folks, no participation awards for second place.


Unfortunately W Bush's debts will stay with us for decades.


It is interesting that neither Bush will be attending Trump's inauguration.

[janmcn]

Where did he say that he was going to end Medicare . I heard him say that he feels Medicare is working and is a good program .

He said this when he shared that Obama-Care should be reshaped to operate more like Medicare .

He said that Obama -care is too expensive for most households and due to it`s sky-high deductibles does not really work for anyone .
So please enlighten us with some factual information .


http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2016/11/29/does-medicare-need-to-be-reformed/gop-plans-would-end-medicares-guaranteed-coverage


Do regressives not have search engines on their computers? Here are some key words; GOP, ending, Medicare.

Trump lied again, or you might want to say he evolved as soon as he won the election.

[MDLNB]

G.O.P. Plans Would End Medicare'''s Guaranteed Coverage - NYTimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2016/11/29/does-medicare-need-to-be-reformed/gop-plans-would-end-medicares-guaranteed-coverage)


Do regressives not have search engines on their computers? Here are some key words; GOP, ending, Medicare.

Trump lied again, or you might want to say he evolved as soon as he won the election.

Right, ha,ha. Nice try. No wonder you libtards lost. Do you really think anyone other than another libtard is going to accept an opinion piece as factual information. Hey, the other Villages paper has an opinion section for comments also. Try it. I'm sure you will find other libtards at your level. By the way, you apparently didn't even read the article/opinion before posting it. WOW!

Come on, Jan get it together. You are letting down your fellow libtards. :loco:

[Buffalo Jim]

Anything that could possibly be construed as positive for the Politically Correct Progressives can not possibly be incorrect or misrepresented .

[janmcn]

Anything that could possibly be construed as positive for the Politically Correct Progressives can not possibly be incorrect or misrepresented .


Why don't regressives post links to all the articles that point out that Medicare will stay as is for another 50 years? No Breitbart please.

Assuming that Trump voters voted for change, ending Medicare is just step one.

[Don Baldwin]

Why don't regressives post links to all the articles that point out that Medicare will stay as is for another 50 years? No Breitbart please.

Assuming that Trump voters voted for change, ending Medicare is just step one.

What should be cut is medicaid...welfare...before cutting the people who actually contributed.

HALF this country gets government benefits.

Why cure people so you can keep paying for their house, food, clothes, cell phone, TV, and everything else they "need"?

Because the wealthy corporation owners make a LOT of money from welfare programs. They "grow" their customers in the inner city projects. By having government provide more and more. Cell phone companies make money on the free cell phone programs, food manufacturers/producers on food programs, real estate investors on housing, cable TV providers, they ALL make money because the government is supplying/paying their customers. And BORROWING over a $trillion each year to do it.

[Buffalo Jim]

Why don't regressives post links to all the articles that point out that Medicare will stay as is for another 50 years? No Breitbart please.

Assuming that Trump voters voted for change, ending Medicare is just step one.

Amazing ! How deep does your anger go ?

Do you realize that the Left lost more State races than at any time in history ? The data is telling .

Did Putin cause that as well ?

And who do the Dems look to to reverse this massive tide of losses ? Why none other than Donna Brazille who actually believes her own lies .

No one has ever changed a trend with a series of lies .

However I am cheering for your Party to stay the course . In fact " Hillary 2020 " has a very nice ring to it .

[janmcn]

Amazing ! How deep does your anger go ?

Do you realize that the Left lost more State races than at any time in history ? The data is telling .

Did Putin cause that as well ?

And who do the Dems look to to reverse this massive tide of losses ? Why none other than Donna Brazille who actually believes her own lies .

No one has ever changed a trend with a series of lies .

However I am cheering for your Party to stay the course . In fact " Hillary 2020 " has a very nice ring to it .


You do realize that under 100,000 voters decided this race; 10,000 Michiganders, 22,000 Wiscononites, and 45,000 Pennsylvanians.

Who knew that these voters wanted to end Medicare, privatize Social Security and the VA, and repeal the ACA. Who knew that these voters wanted a nuclear arms race with Russia.

FYI; Donna Brazile is the interim chairperson of the DNC and will be replaced as soon as the election in Feb.

[Buffalo Jim]

Your patron saint JFK was elected in a squeaker as well . And Nixon acted in a gracious manner as did the GOP .
Yes , I am aware about Donna and the upcoming election however some on the Left say that she should be the ongoing Chair and I hope so much that it proves to be so .

Now back on how deep the defeat of your Party was Nationally . How can you just ignore that fact and not find it alarming ? No, wait !
Please do ignore it and spit all of your venom at Trump . Please do carry on !

[janmcn]

Your patron saint JFK was elected in a squeaker as well . And Nixon acted in a gracious manner as did the GOP .
Yes , I am aware about Donna and the upcoming election however some on the Left say that she should be the ongoing Chair and I hope so much that it proves to be so .

Now back on how deep the defeat of your Party was Nationally . How can you just ignore that fact and not find it alarming ? No, wait !
Please do ignore it and spit all of your venom at Trump . Please do carry on !



The final tally on the senate is D's 48, R's 52. In 2008 the count was D's 60, R's 50. Where do you project these numbers will be when the GOP ends Medicare, effecting 55 million people and ends Obamacare, effecting 22 million people.

FYI: Donna Brazile is not running to be chairperson of the DNC, so difficult to see how she wins.

[janmcn]

Amazing ! How deep does your anger go ?

Do you realize that the Left lost more State races than at any time in history ? The data is telling .

Did Putin cause that as well ?

And who do the Dems look to to reverse this massive tide of losses ? Why none other than Donna Brazille who actually believes her own lies .

No one has ever changed a trend with a series of lies .

However I am cheering for your Party to stay the course . In fact " Hillary 2020 " has a very nice ring to it .


Then the voters in these states will have nobody to blame but themselves when their healthcare disappears, including in TV where voters are aghast at the thought of losing their Medicare.

Voters in these states will have nobody to blame but themselves when the US is spending a trillion dollars in a nuclear missiles race with Russia.

[MDLNB]

Why don't regressives post links to all the articles that point out that Medicare will stay as is for another 50 years? No Breitbart please.

Assuming that Trump voters voted for change, ending Medicare is just step one.

Yes, of course. We will search frantically for NEWS that will tell us that everything will remain the same. No news here dude.

Are you really that dense to believe your liberal talking points when they are so OBVIOUSLY stupid and wrong? No one said a thing about ending Medicare. As if I would care anyway. I have insurance. Medicare is a rip off. But, there is NO proof of it being discussed as being discontinued.

[janmcn]

Yes, of course. We will search frantically for NEWS that will tell us that everything will remain the same. No news here dude.

Are you really that dense to believe your liberal talking points when they are so OBVIOUSLY stupid and wrong? No one said a thing about ending Medicare. As if I would care anyway. I have insurance. Medicare is a rip off. But, there is NO proof of it being discussed as being discontinued.


Any proof to your unsubstantiated garbage? Have you ever posted a link? Do you know how to post a line?

[MDLNB]

Any proof to your unsubstantiated garbage? Have you ever posted a link? Do you know how to post a line?

Jan, are you for real? You are the one that made all of these false claims and you want me to provide proof to you that you are wrong? You can't even provide any proof of ANYTHING you say. You are on here purely to gain some sort of warped attention. You have no clue as to what you are saying. It is YOUR post that is "unsubstantiated" not mine. I called you out on it and now you are trying to turn it around on me. You make up fantasy in your mind and think it is real. Take your meds.

[janmcn]

Jan, are you for real? You are the one that made all of these false claims and you want me to provide proof to you that you are wrong? You can't even provide any proof of ANYTHING you say. You are on here purely to gain some sort of warped attention. You have no clue as to what you are saying. It is YOUR post that is "unsubstantiated" not mine. I called you out on it and now you are trying to turn it around on me. You make up fantasy in your mind and think it is real. Take your meds.


Just as I thought. You don't know how to post a link, Newbie. I just found out how new you are to this forum when I read your profile. You have a big mouth, but nothing but name calling to back it up. Hopefully the moderators will be culling the herd soon.

[Don Baldwin]

Just as I thought. You don't know how to post a link, Newbie. I just found out how new you are to this forum when I read your profile. You have a big mouth, but nothing but name calling to back it up. Hopefully the moderators will be culling the herd soon.

Get him banned Jan? That's the plan? It usually is... If someone DARES to disagree and proves you're wrong...you all gang up (all 5 of your "personalities") and work to have them banned...silenced...CAN'T have the truth...it doesn't fit the narrative.

[janmcn]

Get him banned Jan? That's the plan? It usually is... If someone DARES to disagree and proves you're wrong...you all gang up (all 5 of your "personalities") and work to have them banned...silenced...CAN'T have the truth...it doesn't fit the narrative.


It's not my decision to make.

[Allegiance]

Reading the liberals crying on totv is actually getting more entertaining everyday. It's so obvious Barry's plan was to destroy America. Rumor is he will mass pardon ALL BLACK prisoners. All of them 100% and also send over a few trillion more to our enemies in the middle east.

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[Don Baldwin]

It's not my decision to make.

But you'll PUSH AND PUSH AND PUSH...Because you're a baby. You can't handle the truth. You won't accept it.

Reading the liberals crying on totv is actually getting more entertaining everyday. It's so obvious Barry's plan was to destroy America. Rumor is he will mass pardon ALL BLACK prisoners. All of them 100% and also send over a few trillion more to our enemies in the middle east.

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OMG, could you imagine? Over 800,000 violent black males dumped upon society. The cities would literally become kill zones.

[MDLNB]

Just as I thought. You don't know how to post a link, Newbie. I just found out how new you are to this forum when I read your profile. You have a big mouth, but nothing but name calling to back it up. Hopefully the moderators will be culling the herd soon.

Jan, you are so tired. What do consider a newbie? I've been on here near as long as you. And you ARE new to the political forum. Probably because politics is new to you and you do not know how to contribute to the conversation without putting your foot in your mouth. If you want a civil discussion, you can't come on here attacking everyone with idiotic demands, such as "put a link on here saying he is not intending to do something." The idea of links is to provide information to back up a claim. You made a statement and I called you out on it, asking for a link to prove what you said. You couldn't. You then demanded that I provide a link proving that someone did not intend to do something. Don't get mad at me when it is you that is the cause of your consternation and confusion.

[MDLNB]

Any proof to your unsubstantiated garbage? Have you ever posted a link? Do you know how to post a line?

YOu first. Put a link to something that backs up what you said. Quit crying when someone disagrees with you.

[MDLNB]

Get him banned Jan? That's the plan? It usually is... If someone DARES to disagree and proves you're wrong...you all gang up (all 5 of your "personalities") and work to have them banned...silenced...CAN'T have the truth...it doesn't fit the narrative.

She doesn't even know how to tell who is posting, so it's not like her threats are serious. You can tell when she accuses me of being a newbie. She is trying to get me to ID myself to her, but I will tell her that I have been here for over four years, if that makes me a newbie. She has been on here for about five years, but not on the political forum until recently.

But, this doesn't matter. If she can quit crying when someone does not agree with her, she is welcome to have a civil discussion with me. Liberals have lost their minds with the destruction/annihilation of Hillary's campaign.

[autumnspring]

since when is the library on 466a inside the villages ? Must be per the "other" newspaper. Media always desperate for your attention.

As for the protesters:
As i see it 2016 voter statistics
eligible voters 219.0 mil
registered voters 146.3 mil
total votes cast 136.2 mil
total votes for hrc 65.8 mil
total votes for trump 63.0 mil
total votes 3rd parties 7.5 mil
thus hrc got 65.8/219.0 or 30.0% of eligible votes. Hrc got 65.8/136.2 or 48.3% of votes cast. I am having a hard time supporting it is the will of the american people that hrc should have been elected. I will agree to she won more votes than trump however still less than 50% of all the votes cast. Hrc would need 47.5 mil more votes from the i don't give a s--t column to make the statement it is the will of the american people.

a satisfied liberal-there is no such animal.
Buy your own damn coloring book,play dough and go find a quiet corner to sulk in.

[bbbbbb]

Finally saw the movie, Hillary's America. It was very well done, it is on Netflix if you have that feature or have a friend with it.

It really summarizes what to expect from the Clinton group and of course we should have known that?
If you are a Demo with an IQ over 70 it should be an eye opener .

Well done and thanks for Mr. De Souza for doing that movie.

bbbbbb :wave:

[janmcn]

There it is folks, it's still Bush's fault. The left can never accept responsibility for it's failures. That's why the left will not accept that Hitlery LOST the election, AGAIN. Losers begat losers. Sorry folks, no participation awards for second place.



It takes a while to pay off a five trillion dollar unnecessary war when you put it on the credit card.

[MDLNB]

It takes a while to pay off a five trillion dollar unnecessary war when you put it on the credit card.

Try again.

How about, what did we get for the trillion dollar stimulus plan? Shovel ready jobs..........not so much,huh?

[Don Baldwin]

It takes a while to pay off a five trillion dollar unnecessary war when you put it on the credit card.

It also takes a while to pay off the $10 trillion Obama put on the card too.

Syria is "necessary"? Because they TOLD you it was?

[rustyp]

a satisfied liberal-there is no such animal.
Buy your own damn coloring book,play dough and go find a quiet corner to sulk in.

I started this thread to point out how people skew words to their own agenda i.e. The majority of Americans voted for Hillary. Not true - the majority of people who cast a ballot voted for Hillary. So to say she was the will of the people could or could not be true. Also I am not a liberal probably much more conservative than you. Totally believe in supply and demand but also know that won't work with any interference like regulations because then it is no longer supply and demand. And finally I'll bet you I can color between the lines far better than you. Wanna try?

[janmcn]

It also takes a while to pay off the $10 trillion Obama put on the card too.

Syria is "necessary"? Because they TOLD you it was?


Congress controls the purse strings, not the president.

[Rockyrd]

I started this thread to point out how people skew words to their own agenda i.e. The majority of Americans voted for Hillary. Not true - the majority of people who cast a ballot voted for Hillary. So to say she was the will of the people could or could not be true. Also I am not a liberal probably much more conservative than you. Totally believe in supply and demand but also know that won't work with any interference like regulations because then it is no longer supply and demand. And finally I'll bet you I can color between the lines far better than you. Wanna try?

Interesting post.

I just completed reading "The Smartest Guys in the Room" by Bethany McClean. It is about the Enron build up, stealing and fraud and its ultimate collapse.

I honestly was 100% non regulation but this book along with a few other things read recently lead me to begin to doubt.

For example, Enron used de regulation to spread...ON PURPOSE...the rolling blackouts and the obscene increases in utility bills in California, while they...again ON PURPOSE did this to line their pockets with millions and millions of dollars. They used DE REGULATION for their own gain and the consumer loss.

Think I will take case by case instead of FOR or AGAINST regulation.

There are many who will take advantage of the consumer.

Going to wait and watch

As to the election, i am frankly sort of tired of the constant rehash. As they say....it is what it is....its over and lets get on with the country's business.

[Don Baldwin]

I started this thread to point out how people skew words to their own agenda i.e. The majority of Americans voted for Hillary. Not true - the majority of people who cast a ballot voted for Hillary. So to say she was the will of the people could or could not be true. Also I am not a liberal probably much more conservative than you. Totally believe in supply and demand but also know that won't work with any interference like regulations because then it is no longer supply and demand. And finally I'll bet you I can color between the lines far better than you. Wanna try?

In California Hillary won enough votes...supposedly...to "beat" Trump in the overall election. California has almost 40 million people and almost most of them are Hispanic. Hillary got a LOT of votes in CA. Million more than Trump. Take CA, (Mexico II) out of the equation and Hillary got trounced. Take all the large, minority infested, cities out...and there wasn't even a race. THAT is your division in America...city women and minorities...vs...everyone else. They're taking over, even smaller towns have growing minority populations.

There are already laws to stop anyone from going too far.

Congress controls the purse strings, not the president.

Congress works for the corporations who reap handsomely from their campaign "investment" with government contracts and favorable tax laws. Congressmen are nothing but loan sharks...giving out borrowed taxpayer money for a vig.

Interesting post.

I just completed reading "The Smartest Guys in the Room" by Bethany McClean. It is about the Enron build up, stealing and fraud and its ultimate collapse.

I honestly was 100% non regulation but this book along with a few other things read recently lead me to begin to doubt.

For example, Enron used de regulation to spread...ON PURPOSE...the rolling blackouts and the obscene increases in utility bills in California, while they...again ON PURPOSE did this to line their pockets with millions and millions of dollars. They used DE REGULATION for their own gain and the consumer loss.

Think I will take case by case instead of FOR or AGAINST regulation.

There are many who will take advantage of the consumer.

Going to wait and watch

As to the election, i am frankly sort of tired of the constant rehash. As they say....it is what it is....its over and lets get on with the country's business.

How many laws already on the books did they break? We have ENOUGH laws. What we NEED is punishment for these white collar criminals. They live on federal country club "prisons" in relative luxury. They need death or HARSH punishment. Send a message to thieving CEOs and politicians, you get caught, stealing from the taxpayer, you're going to hang.

When you get caught...you hang. It would cut down on a LOT of these crimes. Just like "war crimes"..."against the people" crimes. You hang.

[Rockyrd]

In California Hillary won enough votes...supposedly...to "beat" Trump in the overall election. California has almost 40 million people and almost most of them are Hispanic. Hillary got a LOT of votes in CA. Million more than Trump. Take CA, (Mexico II) out of the equation and Hillary got trounced. Take all the large, minority infested, cities out...and there wasn't even a race. THAT is your division in America...city women and minorities...vs...everyone else. They're taking over, even smaller towns have growing minority populations.

There are already laws to stop anyone from going too far.



Congress works for the corporations who reap handsomely from their campaign "investment" with government contracts and favorable tax laws. Congressmen are nothing but loan sharks...giving out borrowed taxpayer money for a vig.



How many laws already on the books did they break? We have ENOUGH laws. What we NEED is punishment for these white collar criminals. They live on federal country club "prisons" in relative luxury. They need death or HARSH punishment. Send a message to thieving CEOs and politicians, you get caught, stealing from the taxpayer, you're going to hang.

When you get caught...you hang. It would cut down on a LOT of these crimes. Just like "war crimes"..."against the people" crimes. You hang.

All the "conspirators" were tried. Jeff Skilling still serving time, etc.

Yeah, they got caught, they were punished.

Does not bring back the millions and millions that folks lost in their IRA. Does not bring back the money lost in California, and the lives lost as a result of the manufactured roll outs, done because of de regulation.

[janmcn]

All the "conspirators" were tried. Jeff Skilling still serving time, etc.

Yeah, they got caught, they were punished.

Does not bring back the millions and millions that folks lost in their IRA. Does not bring back the money lost in California, and the lives lost as a result of the manufactured roll outs, done because of de regulation.


These are the halcyon days Trump wants to take us back to as soon as he can get his shredder in the West Wing and do away with the Consumer Protection Agency set up by Sen Elizabeth Warren.

Once he gets rid of Dodd-Frank, banks will be free to do exactly what they did to cause the great recession.

[rustyp]

Interesting post.

I just completed reading "The Smartest Guys in the Room" by Bethany McClean. It is about the Enron build up, stealing and fraud and its ultimate collapse.

I honestly was 100% non regulation but this book along with a few other things read recently lead me to begin to doubt.

For example, Enron used de regulation to spread...ON PURPOSE...the rolling blackouts and the obscene increases in utility bills in California, while they...again ON PURPOSE did this to line their pockets with millions and millions of dollars. They used DE REGULATION for their own gain and the consumer loss.

Think I will take case by case instead of FOR or AGAINST regulation.

There are many who will take advantage of the consumer.

Going to wait and watch

As to the election, i am frankly sort of tired of the constant rehash. As they say....it is what it is....its over and lets get on with the country's business.

Yea - you are smarter than the average poster here. You are kind of describing a monopoly which is proof of supply and demand theory. If you can't let the supply compete with each other then the seller instead of the buyer dictates the terms. However there are situations that are impractical to have a free for all on the supply side. Perhaps like a national grid. Which probably will then call for regulation. Maybe there is such a thing as too big to fail or would that be too big and certain to screw us. Ever notice we hear very little about anti trust laws ?

[rustyp]

In California Hillary won enough votes...supposedly...to "beat" Trump in the overall election. California has almost 40 million people and almost most of them are Hispanic. Hillary got a LOT of votes in CA. Million more than Trump. Take CA, (Mexico II) out of the equation and Hillary got trounced. Take all the large, minority infested, cities out...and there wasn't even a race. THAT is your division in America...city women and minorities...vs...everyone else. They're taking over, even smaller towns have growing minority populations.

There are already laws to stop anyone from going too far.



Congress works for the corporations who reap handsomely from their campaign "investment" with government contracts and favorable tax laws. Congressmen are nothing but loan sharks...giving out borrowed taxpayer money for a vig.



How many laws already on the books did they break? We have ENOUGH laws. What we NEED is punishment for these white collar criminals. They live on federal country club "prisons" in relative luxury. They need death or HARSH punishment. Send a message to thieving CEOs and politicians, you get caught, stealing from the taxpayer, you're going to hang.

When you get caught...you hang. It would cut down on a LOT of these crimes. Just like "war crimes"..."against the people" crimes. You hang.

Go back and read the very first post - you are the very reason I started this thread - Hillary was not the choice of majority of American voters neither was Donald. I did not vote for either. I challenge the fact that this rally was to inform us (me) that Hillary is the choice of Americans. What about the Americans who didn't vote ? How about legit under vote age US citizens. They are still citizens too just are not old enough to vote. Slow down and read the message. Now let's expand this what kind of system would you accept for a popular vote and believe what America's choice is when the media gets to tell you what the results are before half the population gets to the poles and the other half did not have the same advantage.

[Allegiance]

The world was gloomy before he won - there was no hope. Now the market is up nearly 10% and Christmas spending is over a trillion dollars!

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[Rockyrd]

The world was gloomy before he won - there was no hope. Now the market is up nearly 10% and Christmas spending is over a trillion dollars!

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Direct from Trumps tweet.

He does like to make the world all about him.

[Don Baldwin]

Go back and read the very first post - you are the very reason I started this thread - Hillary was not the choice of majority of American voters neither was Donald. I did not vote for either. I challenge the fact that this rally was to inform us (me) that Hillary is the choice of Americans. What about the Americans who didn't vote ? How about legit under vote age US citizens. They are still citizens too just are not old enough to vote. Slow down and read the message. Now let's expand this what kind of system would you accept for a popular vote and believe what America's choice is when the media gets to tell you what the results are before half the population gets to the poles and the other half did not have the same advantage.

I posted WAY before you did that on average presidents are chosen by 17% of the population.

My system is an electoral college type...1 vote per state, whomever wins the state gets the states vote. It's a fixed vote for whomever won the state, no "faithlessness". Whomever wins 26 states, wins the presidency. IF there happens to be a tie, 25 to 25, THEN the popular vote wins. There is no reason for a populous state by no other virtue than location and size, should negate the vote of 15 states. Are blacks 3/5ths of a vote? Then why is Wyoming 1/15th of California?

The world was gloomy before he won - there was no hope. Now the market is up nearly 10% and Christmas spending is over a trillion dollars!

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Everyone who knows, knows that Trump will borrow and spend like a madman. The money will flow freely.

[Allegiance]

Direct from Trumps tweet.

He does like to make the world all about him.
That's right I plagiarized, it was a tease for you to respond to. It worked, so easy.

Glad you are on the twitter feed, there is hope for you yet.

Btw, please report me to the mod.... lol

[MDLNB]

Direct from Trumps tweet.

He does like to make the world all about him.

And Obama was never ever like that, right? WOW! Such sour grapes!

[Allegiance]

And Obama was never ever like that, right? WOW! Such sour grapes!
Listen to Barry speak.... "my legacy..me,me,me,me. And more me"

Every foreign leader has said what a self centered Ahole he is, all of them 100%

[janmcn]

The world was gloomy before he won - there was no hope. Now the market is up nearly 10% and Christmas spending is over a trillion dollars!

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Check out the facts, something Trump never does before he tweets, Christmas spending is actually down 5% from 2015