Slower traffic keep right - it is the LAW!!

[jss3rd]

It seems like a huge number of the drivers in The Villages think they own the left lane on roads with 2 lanes going in the same direction. They get in the left lane and are driving the same speed as the vehicle in the right lane and refuse to move over. It is against the law and there have been news articles stating that the law is going to be more strictly enforced. If you insist on driving in the left lane when there are cars behind you and refuse to pull over to the right lane when it is safe, be warned that you may receive an expensive ticket. Here is the law:

Florida Statutes §316.081
(3) On a road, street, or highway having two or more lanes allowing movement in the same direction, a driver may not continue to operate a motor vehicle in the furthermost left-hand lane if the driver knows or reasonably should know that he or she is being overtaken in that lane from the rear by a motor vehicle traveling at a higher rate of speed. This subsection does not apply to drivers operating a vehicle that is overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, or is preparing for a left turn at an intersection.

[Polar Bear]

Just wondering if you did a ToTV search for this topice. :)

[ureout]

It seems like a huge number of the drivers in The Villages think they own the left lane on roads with 2 lanes going in the same direction. They get in the left lane and are driving the same speed as the vehicle in the right lane and refuse to move over. It is against the law and there have been news articles stating that the law is going to be more strictly enforced. If you insist on driving in the left lane when there are cars behind you and refuse to pull over to the right lane when it is safe, be warned that you may receive an expensive ticket. Here is the law:

Florida Statutes §316.081
(3) On a road, street, or highway having two or more lanes allowing movement in the same direction, a driver may not continue to operate a motor vehicle in the furthermost left-hand lane if the driver knows or reasonably should know that he or she is being overtaken in that lane from the rear by a motor vehicle traveling at a higher rate of speed. This subsection does not apply to drivers operating a vehicle that is overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, or is preparing for a left turn at an intersection.


there are 2 reasons why they stay in the left lane... 1) if they drive slow in the left lane they NEVER have any traffic ahead of them to worry about 2) they are going to turn left 10 miles up the road

[georgie524]

Amen

[golfing eagles]

Amen


:agree:

What's worse is that these people may create just as much of a hazard on the road as drunks and cell phone addicts. Everyone (well almost everyone) behind them make a mad and often reckless dash to the right lane to get around them, often cutting off drivers in the right lane or each other. It's even worse on an interstate where people are driving 70+, I've seen plenty of near misses all caused by some bozo driving 55 in the left lane.

[NYGUY]

It seems like a huge number of the drivers in The Villages think they own the left lane on roads with 2 lanes going in the same direction. They get in the left lane and are driving the same speed as the vehicle in the right lane and refuse to move over. It is against the law and there have been news articles stating that the law is going to be more strictly enforced. If you insist on driving in the left lane when there are cars behind you and refuse to pull over to the right lane when it is safe, be warned that you may receive an expensive ticket....

:BigApplause:

[dillywho]

Yes, it is the law, you are right. Exceeding the speed limit just to get to drive in the left lane is AGAINST the law. Try going the speed limit or just above in the right lane and observe how many pass you going highway speed. (CR466, Buena Vista, and El Camino Real come to mind):cus: These are the same drivers who will scream to high heaven when they get pulled over and ticketed, too.

[Paper1]

Ok, you kids get off my lawn.

[rubicon]

It seems like a huge number of the drivers in The Villages think they own the left lane on roads with 2 lanes going in the same direction. They get in the left lane and are driving the same speed as the vehicle in the right lane and refuse to move over. It is against the law and there have been news articles stating that the law is going to be more strictly enforced. If you insist on driving in the left lane when there are cars behind you and refuse to pull over to the right lane when it is safe, be warned that you may receive an expensive ticket. Here is the law:

Florida Statutes §316.081
(3) On a road, street, or highway having two or more lanes allowing movement in the same direction, a driver may not continue to operate a motor vehicle in the furthermost left-hand lane if the driver knows or reasonably should know that he or she is being overtaken in that lane from the rear by a motor vehicle traveling at a higher rate of speed. This subsection does not apply to drivers operating a vehicle that is overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, or is preparing for a left turn at an intersection.

I may be wrong but I believe that Statue was passed primarily to deal with interstate highways such as the Florida Turnpike.

Enforcing this Statue on a road such as 466 wherein the top speed is primarily 45 mph is very problematic. If strictly enforced it would bring traffic down to almost a halt

This topic like a number of others on this forum results in repeated flashpoints and a consensus will never be reached.

Merry Christmas

[justjim]

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[JoMar]

Those laws, passed by politicians for public approval, never are rarely enforced. In fact, watch the police as they drive the same roads in the left lane and don't worry about pulling over because they are usually speeding. We really need to stop complaining about stuff we can't impact.

[Polar Bear]

Those laws...never are rarely enforced...
Hmmm. :)

[JoMar]

Hmmm. :)

I know, I know....lol. Brain F**t.

[VApeople]

When we drive along Morse Road and plan to turn left at the next roundabout, we know we have to be in the left lane when we enter the roundabout. Therefore, I usually get into the left lane as soon we pass the previous roundabout and I drive 35 mph.

[Polar Bear]

I know, I know....lol. Brain F**t.
Hey...somebody on ToTV who takes a little fun poke just as intended!! A rarity!! :) :)

Merry Christmas!

[TheDude]

I have a question, and don't shout at me, no I did not search the web for the answer.

If I am on a 2 lane road, say Hillsborough Trail and I want to turn left, or even merge, can I plan on this ahead of time and go over to the left lane early if there is no traffic on me (but traffic coming in the rear view mirror)?

What is the right way. I seem to get to the merge and go to the end, turn to see what is coming then, and then merging. If I merged earlier (when I know or see the merge) it seems safer to me.

What think?

[Polar Bear]

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[golfing eagles]

I have a question, and don't shout at me, no I did not search the web for the answer.

If I am on a 2 lane road, say Hillsborough Trail and I want to turn left, or even merge, can I plan on this ahead of time and go over to the left lane early if there is no traffic on me (but traffic coming in the rear view mirror)?

What is the right way. I seem to get to the merge and go to the end, turn to see what is coming then, and then merging. If I merged earlier (when I know or see the merge) it seems safer to me.

What think?

Well, if traffic is coming you should not be driving 1/4 mile in the car lane. Think of it like entering a 70 mph interstate after going around the cloverleaf. You wouldn't drive to the end of the merge lane and then look for the first time. You would be looking even as you rounded the cloverleaf and picking a gap. That gap might end up being near the beginning or near the end of the merge lane. So it's ok to merge a little before the end of the merge lane, but I wouldn't jump the gun and get in front of faster moving cars. Sometimes you have to slow up a bit to smoothly hit the gap. You don't have the advantage of a car that can accelerate into a merge.
As an aside, I'm sure you love those drivers that enter the interstate and head directly to the far left lane and park themselves there at 55 mph. Note to those individuals--YOU do not get to regulate the flow of traffic. YOU do not get to set the speed in any given lane. That's what speed limit signs and the police are for. How do you know if you are one of those drivers? It's easy--you are constantly getting passed on the right and getting a one finger salute. Another hint is if you ever look in your mirror there are 45 cars tailgating you. So like the title of the thread states: Slower traffic keep right - it is the LAW

[VApeople]

If I am on a 2 lane road, say Hillsborough Trail and I want to turn left, or even merge, can I plan on this ahead of time and go over to the left lane early if there is no traffic on me (but traffic coming in the rear view mirror)?

YES. At least that is my opinion.

We do not have a golf cart and have no plans to buy one. We occasionally drive down Hillsborough and Pinellas and I think those roads are a dangerous place to drive a golf cart. I never drive over 25 mph on those roads, so you can pull your cart in front of me and I will not complain.

We bought a house in Osceola Hills so we would not have to drive down Hillsborough or Pinellas very often. My wife avoids those roads and I just do it on occasion because they are interesting.

[600th Photo Sq]

It seems like a huge number of the drivers in The Villages think they own the left lane on roads with 2 lanes going in the same direction. They get in the left lane and are driving the same speed as the vehicle in the right lane and refuse to move over. It is against the law and there have been news articles stating that the law is going to be more strictly enforced. If you insist on driving in the left lane when there are cars behind you and refuse to pull over to the right lane when it is safe, be warned that you may receive an expensive ticket. Here is the law:

Florida Statutes §316.081
(3) On a road, street, or highway having two or more lanes allowing movement in the same direction, a driver may not continue to operate a motor vehicle in the furthermost left-hand lane if the driver knows or reasonably should know that he or she is being overtaken in that lane from the rear by a motor vehicle traveling at a higher rate of speed. This subsection does not apply to drivers operating a vehicle that is overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, or is preparing for a left turn at an intersection.

The people that you are referring to are more than likely Connecticut Drivers. Connecticut drivers are the Biggest offenders of driving in the left lane...slowly. Honestly they are by far the " Worst " drivers that I have ever come across. All of them need to take drivers education classes yes everyone..a absolute nightmare driving in that state. :plane:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Sorry, but it's not the law. The law says that if you are in the left hand lane and there is someone behind you and no one in front of you you MUST move over and allow them to pass. If you are in the right hand lane and some one in front of you is going too slow, you may use the right hand lane to pass. However there is no law against driving in the left hand lane if you are not impeding the traffic behind you.

[golfing eagles]

Sorry, but it's not the law. The law says that if you are in the left hand lane and there is someone behind you and no one in front of you you MUST move over and allow them to pass. If you are in the right hand lane and some one in front of you is going too slow, you may use the right hand lane to pass. However there is no law against driving in the left hand lane if you are not impeding the traffic behind you.

True, but if you're camped in the left lane going slow, you will find out quite quickly that you are impeding traffic

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I may be wrong but I believe that Statue was passed primarily to deal with interstate highways such as the Florida Turnpike.

Enforcing this Statue on a road such as 466 wherein the top speed is primarily 45 mph is very problematic. If strictly enforced it would bring traffic down to almost a halt

This topic like a number of others on this forum results in repeated flashpoints and a consensus will never be reached.

Merry Christmas

Where in this statute does is say anything about interstate highways. It clearly and specifically says, On a road, street, or highway having two or more lanes allowing movement in the same direction.

I believe that, Morse, Buena Vista, El Camino Real and several other streets in The Villages fit this definition. Highways 27/441, 466 and 466A definitely fit it.

The law means what the law says. If you are in the left hand lane and someone wants to pass you, it is mandatory that you move over and allow them to pass, regardless of your speed or their speed.

[retiredguy123]

This issue will never be solved. Although the law requires slower drivers to move to the right, it also requires all drivers to drive within the speed limit. So, if a driver is moving at 45 mph in a 45 mph zone, he feels that no one should be able pass without breaking the law, and he is correct on that point. So, what difference does it make which lane he is in? In a court of law, I don't see how the law could be enforced against a driver who is driving at the speed limit.

[rubicon]

When it was communicated the State made reference to Florida Turnpike which was the main focus. i understand it applies to all roads. However i have not noticed any increase enforcement either on the Florida Turnpike nor any road in particular. but then to accurately state so would require a 24/7 watch

My guess its on the books and is enforced where and when a driver or situation becomes problematic. Again to strictly enforce this particular law would interfere with the free flow of traffic and be very costly to boot.

Also consider the driver who meanders from one lane to the next on a continuum. They often don't bother to signal and they cut in even where the gap is narrow between vehicles. I consider this more problematic then a driver who stays the speed limit in the left lane

But watch the traffic patterns and it is apparent most drivers are very savvy and know how and when to make their move.

[Challenger]

Where in this statute does is say anything about interstate highways. It clearly and specifically says, .

I believe that, Morse, Buena Vista, El Camino Real and several other streets in The Villages fit this definition. Highways 27/441, 466 and 466A definitely fit it.

The law means what the law says. If you are in the left hand lane and someone wants to pass you, it is mandatory that you move over and allow them to pass, regardless of your speed or their speed.

Dont' know the answer, but , I don't believe that you can require a person to break the law to comply with another law facilitating law breaking by another person. Has such a case been decide in court?:police:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

True, but if you're camped in the left lane going slow, you will find out quite quickly that you are impeding traffic

Probably, but then you have no business in the left hand lane. But there is no law that says that you must drive in the right hand lane except to pass or make a left hand turn. if I'm in the left hand lane going the speed limit and there is no one behind me I'm not going to be pulled over for breaking the law.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

And I apologize. I misread the title of the OP. Yes, the law does say that if you are going slower than the traffic behind you, you must move over.

There have been threads where people insist that the law says that you must stay in the right hand lane un less passing and I read the title fast and thought it was another of those posts.

[golfing eagles]

This issue will never be solved. Although the law requires slower drivers to move to the right, it also requires all drivers to drive within the speed limit. So, if a driver is moving at 45 mph in a 45 mph zone, he feels that no one should be able pass without breaking the law, and he is correct on that point. So, what difference does it make which lane he is in? In a court of law, I don't see how the law could be enforced against a driver who is driving at the speed limit.

And right there is the problem. Read THE LAW again, the person in the left lane is REQUIRED to move over, REGARDLESS of the relative speeds of the vehicles. So the driver who "FEELS" no one should be able to pass HIM is 110% WRONG. HE does not get to dictate HIS viewpoint on everyone else. HE is not the law nor a LEO. It is NOT HIS job. HE is not a dictator. So if some jerk wants to go way over the speed limit, that is between him and the law, NOT a self appointed speed monitor who is violating the law himself.

[retiredguy123]

And right there is the problem. Read THE LAW again, the person in the left lane is REQUIRED to move over, REGARDLESS of the relative speeds of the vehicles. So the driver who "FEELS" no one should be able to pass HIM is 110% WRONG. HE does not get to dictate HIS viewpoint on everyone else. HE is not the law nor a LEO. It is NOT HIS job. HE is not a dictator. So if some jerk wants to go way over the speed limit, that is between him and the law, NOT a self appointed speed monitor who is violating the law himself.
So, in your example, a police officer on the scene should give a ticket to the guy going the speed limit and let the speeding jerk get away?

[golfing eagles]

So, in your example, a police officer on the scene should give a ticket to the guy going the speed limit and let the speeding jerk get away?

If I were the LEO I would ticket both of them, and the fine for the speeder should be triple that for the lane hog. But that's just my opinion.
This isn't about justifying speeding, it's about drivers who think they get to appoint themselves enforcers of how THEY think everyone else should drive.

[CFrance]

Probably, but then you have no business in the left hand lane. But there is no law that says that you must drive in the right hand lane except to pass or make a left hand turn. if I'm in the left hand lane going the speed limit and there is no one behind me I'm not going to be pulled over for breaking the law.
Despite an incorrect link some months back to explain the law state by state, it absolutely IS the law in Michigan. There are signs on the highways stating "Keep Left Except to Pass--It's the Law." Within the past year, there was an announcement to the Michigan driving public that efforts to enforce this law were being expanded.

Traffic camping out in the passing lane has always been a big problem in Michigan for some reason. That and the fact that Detroit removed all turn signals from Michigan cars years ago... but I digress.

[Shimpy]

And right there is the problem. Read THE LAW again, the person in the left lane is REQUIRED to move over, REGARDLESS of the relative speeds of the vehicles. So the driver who "FEELS" no one should be able to pass HIM is 110% WRONG. HE does not get to dictate HIS viewpoint on everyone else. HE is not the law nor a LEO. It is NOT HIS job. HE is not a dictator. So if some jerk wants to go way over the speed limit, that is between him and the law, NOT a self appointed speed monitor who is violating the law himself.


This left lane hugger may be impeding a driver taking his kid to the hospital who couldn't call 911 or have the time for them to respond. There are many reasons for some to go over the limit. Stay in the right lane except to pass or turn left shortly.

[Chatbrat]

They're on vacation, they're lost, they're on the phone or they're admiring the lad scape in the medians--whatever, they should not be in the left lane--as soon as the LEO's , start enforcing real violations-we'll all be more relaxed

[NoMoSno]

I'm happy everyone's not in the right lane on 441 during rush hour.

[golfing eagles]

I'm happy everyone's not in the right lane on 441 during rush hour.

I don't really think this thread is about heavy traffic on a 6 lane road at rush hour. It is referring to someone going slow in the left lane with no one ahead of him for 1/2 mile but 25 cars piled up behind him because he won't move over. It is particularly egregious when he does it on purpose because HE thinks the speed limit is too high, so HE is going to cram HIS opinion down everyone else's throat.

[Polar Bear]

So, in your example, a police officer on the scene should give a ticket to the guy going the speed limit and let the speeding jerk get away?
They're both breaking the law. Ticket them both.

[retiredguy123]

I am amazed at how much interest there is with this topic. Compared to other things that people do every day to slow you down, this should be very low on the priority list. On a 20 mile trip, driving 50 mph vs 45 mph, will only save you 2.7 minutes.

[CFrance]

I am amazed at how much interest there is with this topic. Compared to other things that people do every day to slow you down, this should be very low on the priority list. On a 20 mile trip, driving 50 mph vs 45 mph, will only save you 2.7 minutes.
There are many interesting things to debate in life. Why not thoroughly discuss them all.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Despite an incorrect link some months back to explain the law state by state, it absolutely IS the law in Michigan. There are signs on the highways stating "Keep Left Except to Pass--It's the Law." Within the past year, there was an announcement to the Michigan driving public that efforts to enforce this law were being expanded.

Traffic camping out in the passing lane has always been a big problem in Michigan for some reason. That and the fact that Detroit removed all turn signals from Michigan cars years ago... but I digress.

I don't live in Michigan and I believe that we're discussing the laws in the state of Florida.

But even in Michigan, I doubt that anyone would get pulled over for driving the speed limit in the left hand lane if there were no cars for miles behind him.

The law in Florida states that if you are in the left hand lane and a car behind you wants to pass, you must move over and allow that car to pass. If I'm not mistaken, this is the gist of the problem being discussed here. In fact there are some signs on the highways here stating this.

Basically it comes down to this. If you are in the right hand lane and someone in front of you is going slow, pull into the left hand lane and go around them. if you are in the right hand lane and there is someone behind you and no one in front of you, MOVE OVER! It's simple.

Obviously an exception can be made when a person is preparing to make a left hand turn. But in that case, they should have their signal on so the person behind them knows what to expect.

But I think that the real problem is that many drivers almost never look in their mirrors. They think they are being safe by staring at the road in front of them. Or, they are so absorbed in conversation or the radio that they don't notice other cars around them. Most of the ones that I've had to pass on the right look surprised when they see me. I don't know how you can drive a vehicle and not be aware of other vehicles behind, in front or to the side of you. But it appear to me that many drivers don't.

[THUNDERCHIEF]

i may be wrong but i believe that statue was passed primarily to deal with interstate highways such as the florida turnpike.

Enforcing this statue on a road such as 466 wherein the top speed is primarily 45 mph is very problematic. If strictly enforced it would bring traffic down to almost a halt

this topic like a number of others on this forum results in repeated flashpoints and a consensus will never be reached.

Merry christmas
if i drive over the speed limit in the left lane people still want to run over me, and go 80 or 85 mph what is everyones hurry?

[toeser]

If there is a lot of traffic in both lanes, as there often is, and I am going the full legal speed limit, I am not going to try to squeeze into the right lane just to accommodate your speeding.

[CFrance]

If there is a lot of traffic in both lanes, as there often is, and I am going the full legal speed limit, I am not going to try to squeeze into the right lane just to accommodate your speeding.
Why don't you just start out in the right lane?

[Two Bills]

I am amazed at how much interest there is with this topic. Compared to other things that people do every day to slow you down, this should be very low on the priority list. On a 20 mile trip, driving 50 mph vs 45 mph, will only save you 2.7 minutes.

2.7 mins?
I could have sex, drink pint of beer, eat a burger, and still have time to read my emails before you got there at 45mph.
I better do 60mph, as I like a ciggy after sex!! :duck:

[fred53]

if i drive over the speed limit in the left lane people still want to run over me, and go 80 or 85 mph what is everyones hurry?

what their hurry is. Move over and let them get on with their life. Not your business.

[jss3rd]

In this post, I use "you" to describe the driving public and not anyone in particular. There is a saying that courts love to use, and that is "the plain reading of the law." The plain reading of this law does not mention Interstates, but rather covers "road, street, or highway having two or more lanes allowing movement in the same direction." An Interstate is a highway. 466 is also a highway, but the law also covers roads and streets. When you are in the left lane driving the same speed as the vehicle in the right lane, it is obvious you are blocking traffic. Is it so hard to be courteous and move over so those who want to go faster can. If they are speeding, it is no concern of anyone other than the police. There is a saying that many police officers subscribe to and that is speed kills, but many times slow drivers caused the accident in which the fatalities occurred. The physical damage may be caused by the velocity of the speed, but the accident is often caused by slow drivers who think they are being safe by slowing down traffic, when in fact they may very well be the cause of a fatal accident by someone trying to get around them. It is not your job to control the speed of traffic!! If people are passing you in the right lane, it is evidence that you are breaking the law.

[retiredguy123]

I have to take issue with the statement that speeding is "no concern of anyone other than the police". Citizens have every right to be concerned about speeding, and other crimes.

[cquick]

I may be wrong but I believe that Statue was passed primarily to deal with interstate highways such as the Florida Turnpike.


:agree:

this law isn't for city streets.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

if i drive over the speed limit in the left lane people still want to run over me, and go 80 or 85 mph what is everyones hurry?

That is none of your business. The law says that you must move over and allow them to pass. It is not up to civilians to enforce the laws. That person might be rushing their wife, who is in a life threatening situation, to the hospital. There might be any number of reasons, but the bottom line is that it's not up to you or any of us to make those decisions.

The law is simple and clear. If you are in the left hand lane and someone behind you wants to pass, you MUST move over.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

If there is a lot of traffic in both lanes, as there often is, and I am going the full legal speed limit, I am not going to try to squeeze into the right lane just to accommodate your speeding.

Then you would be breaking the law. You must move over when it is safe to do so.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

:agree:

this law isn't for city streets.

The law has been posted here. It stipulates any road where there are two or more lanes. That's pretty clear and pretty simple.

I don't understand why so many people have such a problem with this. If you are in the left hand lane and someone wants to pass you, why would you not move over? It's the safest thing to do. If you don't allow them to pass, chances are that they are going to try to move into the right hand lane to go around you. What is it that makes people want to stay in the left hand lane? Where are you going?

This is pretty clear and simple. Just move over. It's not a big deal and by not following this law, you are creating a dangerous situation.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I have to take issue with the statement that speeding is "no concern of anyone other than the police". Citizens have every right to be concerned about speeding, and other crimes.

Yes, citizens have every right to be concerned, but they have no right to try to enforce a law. A civilian for example cannot pull a speeder over and ticket him.

By not moving over, you would be creating a dangerous situation and breaking the law yourself.

I would be much more concerned about a car weaving in and out of lanes because people refuse to move over than I would about a car traveling 100 mph in a straight line. The former is much more apt to cause an accident and the people who refuse to move over are contributing to that situation.

If you are concerned, you have every right to call the police and report the speeder after you have allowed him to pass. But you don't have the right to block his way.

[Nhtaxman]

I agree with the original post. If you are not PASSING another vehicle nor are you about to make a left turn then you do not belong in the left lane. Plain and simple. Common sense and common courtesy, have some. If you don't understand the law or how your driving affects others on the road maybe you should take a refresher or simply get someone else to drive you. It really is very frustrating.

[crash]

Dr. Winston too much common sense for a lot of folks on this forum.

[ColdNoMore]

I think some of the posts in the thread...does a very nice job of summing up the problem.

Some motorists feel that they have the 'right' to enforce speed limits, drive in the left lane regardless of the traffic backing up behind them (and regardless of the speed they are going)...and get a vicarious thrill out of the power they are wielding.

Never stopping to think, that their actions are creating a serious hazard...and is the reason the law exists in the first place.

[photo1902]

I think some of the posts in the thread...does a very nice job of summing up the problem.

Some motorists feel that they have the 'right' to enforce speed limits, drive in the left lane regardless of the traffic backing up behind them (and regardless of the speed they are going)...and get a vicarious thrill out of the power they are wielding.

Never stopping to think, that their actions are creating a serious hazard...and is the reason the law exists in the first place.

It is annoying, but probably no more annoying or as serious a hazard as speeders and red light/stop sign runners.

[PennBF]

Of the 10 years we have lived here there is no question this is the worst year for visitors/snowbirds, etc. driving and courtesy. It is a huge difference than what it is like in May and through Oct. At least they are decent. These people are rude, pushy and all and all lousy guests. Whether it is on the road or in the super market, etc. I don't think you can blame it all on the number of people. They are just rude and crude. If you don't get a couple of fingers as you drive or a pushy person(s) in the market you are lucky. It is so nice when it is the regular residents in the summer and there is some civil attitudes. :mad:

[golfing eagles]

Of the 10 years we have lived here there is no question this is the worst year for visitors/snowbirds, etc. driving and courtesy. It is a huge difference than what it is like in May and through Oct. At least they are decent. These people are rude, pushy and all and all lousy guests. Whether it is on the road or in the super market, etc. I don't think you can blame it all on the number of people. They are just rude and crude. If you don't get a couple of fingers as you drive or a pushy person(s) in the market you are lucky. It is so nice when it is the regular residents in the summer and there is some civil attitudes. :mad:

Well, if they are not living in TV full time, then they are living somewhere else and probably behave the same way there. I don't think it is the part time status that causes the problem, I think it is the mind set of the people themselves. The exception may be "vacationers", as opposed to snowbirds or "renters", who generally are very nice.

[spring_chicken]

:agree:

this law isn't for city streets.

Wrong. The sheriff dept actually put up one of the flashing signs on 466 a few months ago that said keep right except to pass, VIOLATORS WILL BE TICKETED.

[Polar Bear]

:agree:

this law isn't for city streets.
Couldn't be more wrong. Just read the law.

[Topspinmo]

Wrong. The sheriff dept actually put up one of the flashing signs on 466 a few months ago that said keep right except to pass, VIOLATORS WILL BE TICKETED.


ONLY IF THEY ARE IMPEDING TRAFFIC! IF no one is behind you it's NOT against the LAW to be in the left lane. but, It is against the LAW to block or impede traffic in left lanes.

Sheriff can put what ever he wants say on the signs, but if it not IAW regulations it won't fly in court.

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The big IF word in Para. (3)

3) On a road, street, or highway having two or more lanes allowing movement in the same direction, a driver may not continue to operate a motor vehicle in the furthermost left-hand lane if the driver knows or reasonably should know that he or she is being overtaken in that lane from the rear by a motor vehicle traveling at a higher rate of speed. This subsection does not apply to drivers operating a vehicle that is overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, or is preparing for a left turn at an intersection.

[Lindaketchup]

This left lane hugger may be impeding a driver taking his kid to the hospital who couldn't call 911 or have the time for them to respond. There are many reasons for some to go over the limit. Stay in the right lane except to pass or turn left shortly.

EXACTLY!!! Or they could be on their way to see a dying parent or spouse. You never know what is going on in someone else's life, and unless you are the police, it IS NOT YOUR JOB to regulate the speed on the road. They could just be late for work, or just a jerk who likes to drive fast; it is still NOT YOUR JOB to regulate their speed on the road.

[jss3rd]

The "IF" is not as limiting as it may seem. True, it is impossible to know what is in someone's mind, but the statute also covers when a person "knows or reasonably should know." I guess a person could be dumber than a doorknob, or maybe blind, and "reasonably" not know there is someone coming up from behind, or they never look in their rearview (which would confirm they are dumber than a doorknob), but the average normal person (if there is such a thing) should see a car approaching from the rear and according to the law and "may not continue to operate a motor vehicle in the furthermost left-hand lane." The people who are blocking the left lane to prevent speeding should start spending their time trying to prevent law violations by following the law themselves and move over!!

[retiredguy123]

Why not just require all drivers to drive at the same speed? Then, there would be no passing, no speeding, fewer accidents, and it would not matter what lane anyone was driving in.

[Polar Bear]

You're allowed to stay in the left lane if no vehicle is approaching you from behind. If a vehicle IS approaching from behind, you're not allowed to stay in the left lane unless your access to the right lane is blocked or you're about to make a left turn.

Pretty simple really.

[ColdNoMore]

Why not just require all drivers to drive at the same speed? Then, there would be no passing, no speeding, fewer accidents, and it would not matter what lane anyone was driving in.

It's not up to us, as public motorists...to require all drivers to drive at the same speed.

That really is where the issue lies, some non-law enforcement people think...it is incumbent upon them to enforce the speed limit laws. :ohdear:

If that were really the case, then the police would not have put up the temporary sign on 466 reminding 'slower drivers' (note: it didn't say 'those going below the speed limit' or even "unless going the speed limit")...to stay right. :shrug:

[retiredguy123]

I'm just proposing that, instead of a speed limit, we have a law to require all drivers to go the same posted speed. Today's cars are easily capable of regulating an exact speed, so why should drivers be passing each other? It would create a much safer driving environment. It would also weed out substandard drivers and vehicles that can't keep up and should not be on the road.

[Polar Bear]

I'm just proposing that, instead of a speed limit, we have a law to require all drivers to go the same posted speed. Today's cars are easily capable of regulating an exact speed, so why should drivers be passing each other? It would create a much safer driving environment. It would also weed out substandard drivers and vehicles that can't keep up and should not be on the road.
You can't be serious. :shocked:

[Barefoot]

Why not just require all drivers to drive at the same speed? Then, there would be no passing, no speeding, fewer accidents, and it would not matter what lane anyone was driving in.

I'm just proposing that, instead of a speed limit, we have a law to require all drivers to go the same posted speed. Today's cars are easily capable of regulating an exact speed, so why should drivers be passing each other? It would create a much safer driving environment. It would also weed out substandard drivers and vehicles that can't keep up and should not be on the road.

You can't be serious. :shocked:

Retired Guy has posted this same idea twice. I think he is very serious about forcing everyone to drive at the same speed. :rant-rave:

[golfing eagles]

Retired Guy has posted this same idea twice. I think he is very serious about forcing everyone to drive at the same speed. :rant-rave:

Is it true that the rule of the road in Canada is "soft shoulders are for Americans"? Heard that in Toronto once, thought it summed up the situation nicely.

[ColdNoMore]

I'm just proposing that, instead of a speed limit, we have a law to require all drivers to go the same posted speed. Today's cars are easily capable of regulating an exact speed, so why should drivers be passing each other? It would create a much safer driving environment. It would also weed out substandard drivers and vehicles that can't keep up and should not be on the road.


Umm, I'm confused. :confused:

Since that's what the existing speed limit signs are for...what are you proposing to change? :shrug:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Umm, I'm confused. :confused:

Since that's what the existing speed limit signs are for...what are you proposing to change? :shrug:

It sounds to me that the idea would be to not allow people to go less than the posted speed.

[dillywho]

I'm just proposing that, instead of a speed limit, we have a law to require all drivers to go the same posted speed. Today's cars are easily capable of regulating an exact speed, so why should drivers be passing each other? It would create a much safer driving environment. It would also weed out substandard drivers and vehicles that can't keep up and should not be on the road.

No. Then you would have rear-end collisions, unless you expect yourself and other drivers to take corners on two wheels (or less) in order to keep the requirement of all drivers to maintain the posted speed. Speed LIMITS are just what it says. A posted speed limit sign of "Speed Limit 35" means it is illegal to exceed 35 mph.

[Polar Bear]

Retired Guy has posted this same idea twice. I think he is very serious about forcing everyone to drive at the same speed. :rant-rave:
The idea is so silly it doesn't even warrant discussion, imho of course.

[MikeyBoo54]

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[ColdNoMore]

http://www.kappit.com/img/pics/201603_2336_bddic.jpg

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[retiredguy123]

When everyone has a self-driving car, the idea may seem more reasonable. Current GPS systems already know the speed limit where the car is driving. I believe that some slow drivers are actually not capable of driving with the flow because of they are physically impaired and possibly could not pass a driving test. Some may be driving in the left lane because they know they will make a left turn at some point and they are not comfortable changing lanes.

[rubicon]

I had to make a run to the airport this AM. Noted as you get on Florida Turnpike there is a huge traffic sign that say in bold letters move over its the law ( referring to slower traffic to move right). Again I say while this Statute can and will be used on all roads it was enacted with interstates in mind. and if memory serves we had a thread on this very subject sometime back concerning the Florida Turnpike. it just becomes more problematic and conflicting when you apply this Statue to roads such as 466 vis a vis Florida Turnpike.

[ColdNoMore]

I had to make a run to the airport this AM. Noted as you get on Florida Turnpike there is a huge traffic sign that say in bold letters move over its the law ( referring to slower traffic to move right). Again I say while this Statute can and will be used on all roads it was enacted with interstates in mind. and if memory serves we had a thread on this very subject sometime back concerning the Florida Turnpike. it just becomes more problematic and conflicting when you apply this Statue to roads such as 466 vis a vis Florida Turnpike.

Really?

So why did local police put this sign up on 466...back in April?


https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/police-dept-sign-466-a-190313/?highlight=traffic+sign

[rubicon]

Really?

So why did local police put this sign up on 466...back in April?


https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/police-dept-sign-466-a-190313/?highlight=traffic+sign

Would you please go back and re-read what I wrote. I said the Statue did apply to all roads. However I also said it was more problematic and conflicting on a road such as 466. Geezz.

You have been following me around this forum for the expressed purpose of calling me out on everything I address. So let's come to an understanding and I will say in front of God and this membership that you are always right and I am always wrong.
Does that satisfy your ergo?

Personal Best Regards:

[ColdNoMore]

Here's your direct quote....


.....it was enacted with interstates in mind.


I simply showed if that were really true...why would the authorities have put up the sign on 466?


Of course, I'm going with the assumption that local law enforcement knows more about the intent of the law...than those of us who who just drive. :shrug:

[spring_chicken]

I had to make a run to the airport this AM. Noted as you get on Florida Turnpike there is a huge traffic sign that say in bold letters move over its the law ( referring to slower traffic to move right). Again I say while this Statute can and will be used on all roads it was enacted with interstates in mind. and if memory serves we had a thread on this very subject sometime back concerning the Florida Turnpike. it just becomes more problematic and conflicting when you apply this Statue to roads such as 466 vis a vis Florida Turnpike.

The Move Over law is referencing moving OUT of the right lane when a cop has someone pulled over on the RIGHT shoulder. Nothing to do with the conversation at hand.

"Move Over Law Summary. Drivers must vacate the lane closest to the stationary emergency vehicle, tow truck, sanitation, or utility vehicle. Drivers must slow down to a speed of 20 mph below the posted speed limit if they cannot move over safely."

[2BNTV]

I drove up from Ft. Lauderdale today and many people stayed in the left lane and wouldn't move to the right, (slower drivers).

I didn't see one ticket being issued for the slower drivers or people going over the speed limit. Does it kill someone to turn the wheel slightly and move over to the right lane and out of harm's way?

I'm surprised no one mentioned the possibility of "road rage" for those who feel they are self-imposed captains of the road. I prefer to let those who want to zoom past me, unfettered access. If they get a ticket, it's on them.

Personally, human nature hasn't changed in a long time along with people's ingrained driving habits. Those that feel the need to put themselves in harm's way are being foolish. One person tried to squeeze in and I had to hit my horn and brakes to let them know there wasn't enough room but he did it anyway saving him/her, a total of two seconds of time. Shhhheeeeeezzzzzzzeeeeee!!!!!!

This is an unsolvable problem. IMHO

[ColdNoMore]

The Move Over law is referencing moving OUT of the right lane when a cop has someone pulled over on the RIGHT shoulder. Nothing to do with the conversation at hand.

"Move Over Law Summary. Drivers must vacate the lane closest to the stationary emergency vehicle, tow truck, sanitation, or utility vehicle. Drivers must slow down to a speed of 20 mph below the posted speed limit if they cannot move over safely."

Good catch, I totally misunderstood what he was trying to say. :oops:

You are absolutely correct, 'Move Over' has nothing to do with this subject and only addresses when police (or other specified type vehicles)..are on the right shoulder.

Move Over Law | Florida DMV (http://www.dmvflorida.org/move-over-law.shtml)

Move Over Law Summary

On Multi-Lane Roads

- Drivers must vacate the lane closest to the stationary emergency vehicle, tow truck, sanitation, or utility vehicle.

- Drivers must slow down to a speed of 20 mph below the posted speed limit if they cannot move over safely.

- Drivers who are not in the lane closest to the stationary vehicle should be prepared to allow those who are to move over into their lane.

[rubicon]

The Move Over law is referencing moving OUT of the right lane when a cop has someone pulled over on the RIGHT shoulder. Nothing to do with the conversation at hand.

"Move Over Law Summary. Drivers must vacate the lane closest to the stationary emergency vehicle, tow truck, sanitation, or utility vehicle. Drivers must slow down to a speed of 20 mph below the posted speed limit if they cannot move over safely."

You may be right as I had only time enough to view the big top wording at the top of the sign. and since you are right about emergency vehicles then I stand corrected as to this signage.

However again my only point has been that while not maintaining a continuum in the left lane and impeding traffic its application is easier applied on the Turnpike and interstates here. And I said that it obviously applies to all four lane roads but that it is more problematic and creates conflicting signals or drivers are lesser roads. Such Statues and posting serve as forewarned is forearmed notices

As I recall law enforcement posted a sign forbidding passing on the right. I recall the sign on 466 and believed it was posted in the Lake County section of 466? However the sign didn't last long nor did it have any affect on the traffic pattern on 466.

If the cops believe this is becoming a larger problem and/or citizens call complaining then they will go out and issue tickets.

I'm finished with this thread

[roob1]

Interesting video:

This is why you shouldn’t drive slow in the left lane – District Speed (http://districtspeed.com/this-is-why-you-shouldnt-drive-slow-in-the-left-lane)

[dave from deland]

This issue will never be solved. Although the law requires slower drivers to move to the right, it also requires all drivers to drive within the speed limit. So, if a driver is moving at 45 mph in a 45 mph zone, he feels that no one should be able pass without breaking the law, and he is correct on that point. So, what difference does it make which lane he is in? In a court of law, I don't see how the law could be enforced against a driver who is driving at the speed limit.Exactly. The SPEED LIMIT is the same in both lanes.

[Polar Bear]

...So, if a driver is moving at 45 mph in a 45 mph zone, he feels that no one should be able pass without breaking the law, and he is correct on that point...
No, he's not. He's very wrong if he thinks that.

Have you ever heard of emergencies? Or other extenuating circumstances? Besides, the law as written says he must move over for vehicles traveling faster than he is...even if he is traveling the speed limit. It's very clear and very simple.
...In a court of law, I don't see how the law could be enforced against a driver who is driving at the speed limit.
I hope you don't plan to test that theory.

[VillagerNut]

Here's your direct quote....





I simply showed if that were really true...why would the authorities have put up the sign on 466?


Of course, I'm going with the assumption that local law enforcement knows more about the intent of the law...than those of us who who just drive. :shrug:

The reason I believe Lake County had the mobile sign is the fact that folks that need to do a U turn cannot do so with folks driving in the left lane. There are several homes and businesses that you have to do a U turn when you come out! So many people drive in the left lane long before their left turn is coming up! But I do not want traffic backed up because folks are only using the right lane in fear of a ticket!

[ColdNoMore]

The reason I believe Lake County had the mobile sign is the fact that folks that need to do a U turn cannot do so with folks driving in the left lane. There are several homes and businesses that you have to do a U turn when you come out! So many people drive in the left lane long before their left turn is coming up! But I do not want traffic backed up because folks are only using the right lane in fear of a ticket!

Not true.

You don't 'have to' make a u-turn...where there is no dedicated left hand turn lane.

It just means you might have to drive an extra 15-30 seconds...until you get to a dedicated left hand turn lane.

I realize some people may find this to be an unacceptable inconvenience...but hey. :shrug:

[VillagerNut]

Not true.

You don't 'have to' make a u-turn...where there is no dedicated left hand turn lane.

It just means you might have to drive an extra 15-30 seconds...until you get to a dedicated left hand turn lane.

I realize some people may find this to be an unacceptable inconvenience...but hey. :shrug:

No idea what you were talking about in your message. They are making a very legal left turn but it is to do a U-turn to get going the opposite direction from where they pulled out because of the limited access to 466. So they are making a legal U turn from a legal left turn lane. An example would be from Village of la Zamora gate! Their next choice for a stoplight would be all the way down to Morris at 466. But if everybody is driving in the left lane they have no chance of doing the U-turn to head eastbound on 466!

[ColdNoMore]

No idea what you were talking about in your message. They are making a very legal left turn but it is to do a U-turn to get going the opposite direction from where they pulled out because of the limited access to 466. So they are making a legal U turn from a legal left turn lane. An example would be from Village of la Zamora gate! Their next choice for a stoplight would be all the way down to Morris at 466. But if everybody is driving in the left lane they have no chance of doing the U-turn to head eastbound on 466!

If there is already a dedicated left hand turn lane, why would that impede someone driving in the left hand through lane?

There is no way the 'stay in right lane unless passing,' law is to help people stopped in the left hand through lane to make a left hand turn (or u-turn).

[golfing eagles]

[QUOTE=ColdNoMore;1339769]If there is already a dedicated left hand turn lane, why would that impede someone driving in the left hand through lane?


I agree, cold. But the poster was somewhat unclear. I think his point is that a driver might be crawling and obstructing traffic in the left lane due to an utter lack of driving skills having moved there 3 million miles prior in preparation for a left or U turn. This makes sense since the same utter lack of driving skills probably prevents him from merging to the left at an appropriate time in anything but an empty highway,

[Barefoot]

ONLY IF THEY ARE IMPEDING TRAFFIC! IF no one is behind you it's NOT against the LAW to be in the left lane. but, It is against the LAW to block or impede traffic in left lanes.

Statutes & Constitution
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The big IF word in Para. (3)

3) On a road, street, or highway having two or more lanes allowing movement in the same direction, a driver may not continue to operate a motor vehicle in the furthermost left-hand lane if the driver knows or reasonably should know that he or she is being overtaken in that lane from the rear by a motor vehicle traveling at a higher rate of speed. This subsection does not apply to drivers operating a vehicle that is overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, or is preparing for a left turn at an intersection.

93 posts to debate this topic? As posted by Topspinmo, it appears the rules of the road are clear.

[Bmacs]

When we drive along Morse Road and plan to turn left at the next roundabout, we know we have to be in the left lane when we enter the roundabout. Therefore, I usually get into the left lane as soon we pass the previous roundabout and I drive 35 mph.

Well, it's illegal and an expensive ticket!

[dave from deland]

This issue will never be solved. Although the law requires slower drivers to move to the right, it also requires all drivers to drive within the speed limit. So, if a driver is moving at 45 mph in a 45 mph zone, he feels that no one should be able pass without breaking the law, and he is correct on that point. So, what difference does it make which lane he is in? In a court of law, I don't see how the law could be enforced against a driver who is driving at the speed limit.You are correct. I wish more people would recognize that the speed limit is the same in both lanes. If you are driving the speed limit in the left lane, you don't have to move over to let another car exceeding the speed limit pass.

[roob1]

If you are driving the speed limit in the left lane, you don't have to move over to let another car exceeding the speed limit pass.


And this false belief and resultant behavior is probably why this thread was started!

[Barefoot]

If you are driving the speed limit in the left lane, you don't have to move over to let another car exceeding the speed limit pass.


Statutes & Constitution
:View Statutes (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.081.html)

On a road, street, or highway having two or more lanes allowing movement in the same direction, a driver may not continue to operate a motor vehicle in the furthermost left-hand lane if the driver knows or reasonably should know that he or she is being overtaken in that lane from the rear by a motor vehicle traveling at a higher rate of speed.

After almost 100 posts, people still cannot agree. My money is on Topspinmo. More popcorn please. :popcorn:

[golfing eagles]

You are correct. I wish more people would recognize that the speed limit is the same in both lanes. If you are driving the speed limit in the left lane, you don't have to move over to let another car exceeding the speed limit pass.

YES YOU DO!!!!!! Read the law. And that's why, Barefoot, there are 90+ posts

[Wandatime]

I'll throw my two cents in . . .

This is why you shouldn’t drive slow in the left lane – District Speed (http://districtspeed.com/this-is-why-you-shouldnt-drive-slow-in-the-left-lane/?source=ss)

[Tomterrif]

Wish this were enforced on the interstate, only state I ever saw doing it was Pa. I think the slow drivers in the left lane are both dangerous to others and extremely rude

[Polar Bear]

...If you are driving the speed limit in the left lane, you don't have to move over to let another car exceeding the speed limit pass.
Rationalize all you want. But read the law and you'll see you are 100% wrong.

[Polar Bear]

After almost 100 posts, people still cannot agree...
Agreement implies it's up for debate, Barefoot. The facts are not. The law is clear.

If people disagree with the law or are unaware of the law, it's still the law.

[dbussone]

Agreement implies it's up for debate, Barefoot. The facts are not. The law is clear.

If people disagree with the law or are unaware of the law, it's still the law.



Bare, I really do agree with Bear on this issue.

Happy New Year to you both.


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[Barefoot]

Agreement implies it's up for debate, Barefoot. The facts are not. The law is clear. If people disagree with the law or are unaware of the law, it's still the law.
You are right, it's the law. I was trying to be gentle and not tell D in D that he is wrong.
Lots of debate and disagreement, but the law is clear on this one.

[Polar Bear]

Happy New Year to Bare, db, all those in this thread, and everybody in ToTV.

My last New Years resolution is to bow out of this thread. But unlike many of my other ones, this resolution I'm going to keep!! :)

[coalminer]

One of my pet peeves. Thanks for bringing the subject up.

[ColdNoMore]

...If you are driving the speed limit in the left lane, you don't have to move over to let another car exceeding the speed limit pass.

Rationalize all you want. But read the law and you'll see you are 100% wrong.

You are absolutely correct!

And it is exactly the attitude and actions of the poster you quoted...that causes the majority of problems.

[Two Bills]

Drive on the right. Overtake on the left, and when safely past slower vehicle, move back over to the right. All manoeuvres with appropriate signals. SIMPLE!

[dave from deland]

Rationalize all you want. But read the law and you'll see you are 100% wrong.No I am not, ask any law enforcement officer, preferably a motor cycle traffic officer and they will set your straight.

[dave from deland]

YES YOU DO!!!!!! Read the law. And that's why, Barefoot, there are 90+ posts
Sorry, you are wrong. There is no astrick on a speed limit sign that refers you to an exception for exceeding the speed limit.

[retiredguy123]

I think one of my New Year's goals will be to start a thread topic that will make this many people angry.

[dbussone]

I think one of my New Year's goals will be to start a thread topic that will make this many people angry.



Even better, we should have a contest.


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[ColdNoMore]

Sorry, you are wrong. There is no astrick on a speed limit sign that refers you to an exception for exceeding the speed limit.
Sorry, but it is you who is dead wrong.

The law (and signs) say "keep right except to pass" and "Slower traffic keep right."

If you were correct, why don't you see an asterisk that says...."except those doing the speed limit" on them?

Not only are you wrong, but because of others with your opinion (who like the feeling of power of having traffic back up behind them)...they are contributing to road rage.

Is it really worth it? :ohdear: