New Party of NO.

[Sandtrap328]

The Democrats will have the opportunity now to be the party of "no" to obstruct the REGRESSIVES in their agenda - and in Trump's nominations for Cabinet and Judiciary posts.

Karma is a two edged sword, Regressives! You did it for a long time, now prepare to get bit in the butt!

[Rockyrd]

The Democrats will have the opportunity now to be the party of "no" to obstruct the REGRESSIVES in their agenda - and in Trump's nominations for Cabinet and Judiciary posts.

Karma is a two edged sword, Regressives! You did it for a long time, now prepare to get bit in the butt!

I understand what you are saying, but I think many democrats support the planned infrastructure spending.

However, you are correct that the appointee hearings will make great tv. I am betting the Dems finds way to bring Flynn into the conversation even though not required. He and Bannon are scary dudes to have the ear of a President.

[Sandtrap328]

I understand what you are saying, but I think many democrats support the planned infrastructure spending.

However, you are correct that the appointee hearings will make great tv. I am betting the Dems finds way to bring Flynn into the conversation even though not required. He and Bannon are scary dudes to have the ear of a President.

Don't forget Kellyann Conjob as another scary voice to have at the ear of an unfit president.

With Malaria being up in Manhattan, I just have to wonder how soon Trump will start his cuckolding with Kellyann. He also expressed an unnatural interest in Ivanka when talking with Howard Stern. Very creepy!

[Allegiance]

More funny jokes from the class clowns, I am sure cnm will pat you on the back.

Senate Dems, powerless to stop Trump nominees, regret 'nuclear option' power play - CNNPolitics.com (http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/05/politics/senate-democrats-nuclear-option-donald-trump/)

Thanks harry, one eyed, Reid.

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[Allegiance]

Speaking of karma, Harry got the nuclear option...Rush Limbaugh's Interesting Theory about Harry Reid's Supposed "Accident" (WHOA!) - The Political Insider (http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/rush-limbaughs-interesting-theory-about-harry-reids-supposed-accident-whoa/)

In the form of a rubber band..... sure, my theory is a drunken new years fight. He lost of course. Let him sit home at watch Trump with one eye.

New party of No...... sooooo funny

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[MDLNB]

Democrats better think twice before getting too spiteful. The Republicans have two years, at least of total majority. Like Obie had, only he squandered his chance to do some good. The Republicans had the country on their side when they were the party of "NO." That's why they got a historic majority during the midterm election. All the Dems have going for them is spite, not consensus. On the other hand, perhaps they should not heed the warning and go full steam ahead with their radical and petulant tantrum. It will just destroy their party, making conservatives stronger.

[rubicon]

It seems all progressives can do is hurl vitriol, call for continued disruption and passing hints of assassination with their tweets and facebook entries.

People such as Keith Olbermann and Hollywood celebrities have the spotlight and the ability to broadly spread lies rumors fear mongering about a president. Olbermann has told his audience never refer to Trump as president.

We get from Obama and Hillary the lie that Russian hacks on the DNC was the reason that progressives lost this election. These are the same people who told the families and the rest of America that 4 people were murdered in Benghazi because of an amateur video

We get the uber liberal New York attorneys general directing major resources to go after the Trump Charitable Foundation which Trump agreed to take down because of demands that it creates a conflict of interest now that he is president-elect. However this same NY attorneys general has ignored the Clinton Charitable Foundation for 10 years despite serious allegation of a $28 million contribution from Morocco can you spell corruption. Can you spell hypocrisy

Practically all major assassination were committed by left wing perpetrators Abrahm Lincoln assassin was a Democrat. William Mc Kinley assassin was an anarco socialist. John F. Kennedy assassin a socialist/communist. Robert Kennedy assassin a Palestinian leftist. Martin Luther King life long Democrat. Even George Wallace's assassin was a Democrat. The attempted assassin of Gerald Ford Lynette Squeaky Fromme a liberal nut case (Citation for all of the forging is well established facts and a part of American History. So, please no deflection from factual content to some suppose claims of plagiarism or challenging fact

The liberal agenda of hate disruption violence is going to send this nation into chaos. It is being spearheaded by well positioned people and the progressive electorate are being used as their useful idiots in this very dangerous game

Adults would look inward admit their mistakes, regroup and move forward to improving for the benefit of this nation. Adults would lose with dignity and grace. Adults would shake hands admit it was well played and come together in unity for the benefit of this nation

However you can see a microcosm of the progressives continuing adolescent response on these pages, one that I might add is getting old and tiresome

Personal Best Regards:

[Sandtrap328]

Adults would look inward admit their mistakes, regroup and move forward to improving for the benefit of this nation. Adults would lose with dignity and grace. Adults would shake hands admit it was well played and come together in unity for the benefit of this nation.
Personal Best Regards:

Obviously the poster has completely forgot Trump's rants during his campaign that the election was rigged. He was charged rigging until the very night in which he was elected.

Trump had no dignity and grace. He is a blowhard liar.

Best Regards to You.

[Allegiance]

The emails proved the election was rigged. Bernie should have been the candidate.

Add to that, some would call the media slant, the lobby big business money rigging.

And of course the fact that Barry actually encourages illegals to vote, in a system where anyone can vote multiple times.....

Yes it's a very rigged system, and Trump won despite it ALL BEING Rigged against him, which really tells any idiot what a true landslide it was.

Obama Encourages Illegals to Vote - YouTube (https://youtu.be/AQKAz7l5Es4)

You can try to legitimize what he said, but he clearly encouraged illegals to vote.

You can make this stuff up.

And please keep repeating "but Hillary won the popular vote", it's funny to hear it repeated 60 million times.


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[janmcn]

Speaking of karma, Harry got the nuclear option...Rush Limbaugh's Interesting Theory about Harry Reid's Supposed "Accident" (WHOA!) - The Political Insider (http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/rush-limbaughs-interesting-theory-about-harry-reids-supposed-accident-whoa/)

In the form of a rubber band..... sure, my theory is a drunken new years fight. He lost of course. Let him sit home at watch Trump with one eye.

New party of No...... sooooo funny

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Who lost of course? If you mean Harry Reid lost, you are wrong. Reid retired after 34 years in congress and was replaced by another democrat, the first Hispanic elected to the senate.

[janmcn]

The Democrats will have the opportunity now to be the party of "no" to obstruct the REGRESSIVES in their agenda - and in Trump's nominations for Cabinet and Judiciary posts.

Karma is a two edged sword, Regressives! You did it for a long time, now prepare to get bit in the butt!


Seniors better hope that democrats are the party of no. They are the only thing standing between republicans and ending Medicare, privatizing social security and the VA, and repealing Obamacare.

Even with democrats voting no, republicans will probably still be able to get rid of all these programs through reconciliation.

[Allegiance]

Seniors better hope that democrats are the party of no. They are the only thing standing between republicans and ending Medicare, privatizing social security and the VA, and repealing Obamacare.

Even with democrats voting no, republicans will probably still be able to get rid of all these programs through reconciliation.
And don't forget, the Republicans want to make food out of people.


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[MDLNB]

Seniors better hope that democrats are the party of no. They are the only thing standing between republicans and ending Medicare, privatizing social security and the VA, and repealing Obamacare.

Even with democrats voting no, republicans will probably still be able to get rid of all these programs through reconciliation.

That has to be one of the stupidest comments I have read on here. You really do have some form of tourettes syndrome, don't you? No one is that ignorant. You have yet to prove anything you say. It appears that you get your information from a high school twitter forum.

[Rockyrd]

That has to be one of the stupidest comments I have read on here. You really do have some form of tourettes syndrome, don't you? No one is that ignorant. You have yet to prove anything you say. It appears that you get your information from a high school twitter forum.

Not so stupid...lots of material to actually read, should you choose.



"Yet the evidence is mounting that the GOP plans to green light Medicare privatization, sought by Paul Ryan, Speaker of the House. When he nominated Rep. Tom Price to be head of the Department of Health and Services, Trump signaled a willingness to carve up the medical program."

Forbes Welcome (http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnwasik/2016/12/02/how-trump-gop-will-maul-medicare/#201ad1167e2e)

[autumnspring]

The Democrats will have the opportunity now to be the party of "no" to obstruct the REGRESSIVES in their agenda - and in Trump's nominations for Cabinet and Judiciary posts.

Karma is a two edged sword, Regressives! You did it for a long time, now prepare to get bit in the butt!

This is not a basketball game.
The people have spoken. Thanks to OBAMA'S SOCIALIST PROGRESSIVE VIEWS, the Democrats have not only lost the presidency but both houses of congress.

re: The Republicans having done it to OBAMA
It is interesting, AND PERHAPS NEW NEWS TO YOU, for his first two years the democrats like the republicans, controlled not only the presidency but both houses of congress.

OUR GOVERNMENT is supposed to be oppositional. TRUMP claims to be a deal maker. Trump has not even yet taken office and he has NEGOTIATED a deal with CARRIER-saving AMERICAN JOBS and with BOEING-saving AMERICAN TAXPAYER MONEY.

oBAMA and you seem to feel that everything that is no good is the fault of the REPUBLICANS. Think and realize-
when Obama won the election there were no violent protests YOU CANNOT CLAIM THAT FOR THE LEFT. Trump is about to be sworn in and THE LEFT IS ORGANIZING PROTESTS. The CONSERVATIVES out of RESPECT for our COUNTRY and our GOVERNMENT did not STOOP TO THIS, TO YOUR LEVEL.

BUSH as his first action as PRESIDENT was to invite the democratic leader-KENNEDY-to a meeting to discuss COMMON GOALS. They agreed that we need to improve education. The result was a BIPARTISAN BILL that created no child left behind. BUSH due to chivalry and RESPECT FOR OUR COUNTRY stepped down from office AS HE WAS SUPPOSED TO DO, with grace. OBAMA AND YOU-do not like the choice AMERICAN VOTERS have made and so you will whine and try to block PROGRESS.

Obama-who surely you voted for, will leave behind problems that even TRUMP cannot resolve. Obama has fanned sparks of racism into forest firers. Obama has made hard work and SUCCESS somehow and evil concept.
Obama has TRIED to replace the work ethic THAT MADE AMERICA GREAT with the you o meeeeee, gimmmeeeeeee
view. FOR WHAT YOU THINK YOU WANT-I SUGGEST YOU LEARN ABOUT EAST VS WEST GERMANY AS WELL AS THE ECONOMIC FAILURE IN GREECE.

[virgind]

obama was worse. He just had Soros backing him,the big money machine. Give Trump a chance to prove America was wrong. obama proved himself wrong to America now we have a real mess. Maybe Trump can fix it.

[autumnspring]

And don't forget, the Republicans want to make food out of people.


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RE: soyolent green
It made total sense IF YOU WERE HIGH ENOUGH.

Sadly, it is 2016-THEY PROBABLY DO NOT READ 1984 ANY MORE BUT MUCH OR IT HAS IN FACT COME TO PASS.

RE: SENIORS
I predict AGE WARS. We, as a result of WWII are/were a mass going through the industrialized world population like a snake swallowing a rat. SINCE, our government CHOSE to spend the astronomical amount of money we were forced to send it to social security on BUYING VOTES from our parents the treasure that should have been there to pay for us is gone. Bush added prescription coverage to social security-BUT NO MONEY TO PAY FOR IT. Obama added OBAMACARE-BUT NO MONEY TO PAY FOR IT.

We are all aware that OBAMA added TEN TRILLION DOLLARS TO THE NATIONAL DEBT. Many do not realize that as we discuss TEN TRILLION DOLLARS we do not COMPREHEND what a TRILLION DOLLARS-LET ALONE TEN TRILLION DOLLARS IS. Many will be shocked to discover
that SOCIAL SECURITY holds 42% of that National Debt.
Our government, OBAMA, spent YOUR MONEY and they did it without any repayment plan or INTEREST to be paid on this LOAN. Will we be paid back? Can our government increae taxes on the millennial enough to pay for not only their future social security but for what OBAMA has spent from our forced contributions?

[MDLNB]

Not so stupid...lots of material to actually read, should you choose.



"Yet the evidence is mounting that the GOP plans to green light Medicare privatization, sought by Paul Ryan, Speaker of the House. When he nominated Rep. Tom Price to be head of the Department of Health and Services, Trump signaled a willingness to carve up the medical program."

Forbes Welcome (http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnwasik/2016/12/02/how-trump-gop-will-maul-medicare/#201ad1167e2e)

The link you provided is from a commentator, and there is a disclaimer that says that he in no way reflects the view of the website. And Jan has been saying that Trump plans to do all those things about getting rid of Social Security and Medicare, not congress. What you linked to was an opinion piece, which said that congress (not Trump) was planning to privatize those benefits. She's the one that has been screaming "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" like Chicken Little.

[Rockyrd]

The link you provided is from a commentator, and there is a disclaimer that says that he in no way reflects the view of the website. And Jan has been saying that Trump plans to do all those things about getting rid of Social Security and Medicare, not congress. What you linked to was an opinion piece, which said that congress (not Trump) was planning to privatize those benefits. She's the one that has been screaming "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" like Chicken Little.

how about these....you mocked another poster as if this was made up stuff. This is a HUGE discussion anywhere current events or governing is discussed. Make fun if you wish but at least show some reason for mocking instead of looking stupid

"For most Baby Boomers, whether to expect any incoming changes to Medicare of course remains a great concern. Trump’s transition website pledges to “Modernize Medicare, so that it will be ready for the challenges with the coming retirement of the Baby Boom generation – and beyond.” But other than that, details are yet to be heard."

What a Trump Administration Means for Your Retirement | Fox Business (http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/2016/11/16/what-trump-administration-means-for-your-retirement.html)

"If House Speaker Paul Ryan has his way, the 115th Congress won’t just repeal Obamacare, it will dramatically reform Medicare, turning the program into a form of private insurance.

Ryan has long supported the controversial idea and, immediately after the election, he suggested that any Obamacare reform should include Medicare reform. Another key player, House Budget Chairman Tom Price, said Medicare reform was a top priority for the unified Republican government.

President-elect Donald Trump has yet to commit to further privatization of Medicare—which could cause a tidal wave of unease among senior citizens—and a Trump spokeswoman did not respond to a request for comment. At a minimum, though, Ryan’s Medicare plans are a topic of negotiation between the speaker and the president-elect."




Can Paul Ryan actually privatize Medicare? (http://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2016/11/paul-ryan-trump-privatize-medicare-000241)

"WASHINGTON — Donald J. Trump once declared that campaigning for “substantial” changes to Medicare would be a political death wish.

But with Election Day behind them, emboldened House Republicans say they will move forward on a years-old effort to shift Medicare away from its open-ended commitment to pay for medical services and toward a fixed government contribution for each beneficiary.

The idea rarely came up during Mr. Trump’s march toward the White House, but a battle over the future of Medicare could roil Washington during his first year in office, whether he wants it or not."

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[Abby10]

Seniors better hope that democrats are the party of no. They are the only thing standing between republicans and ending Medicare, privatizing social security and the VA, and repealing Obamacare.

Even with democrats voting no, republicans will probably still be able to get rid of all these programs through reconciliation.

I'm beginning to think you have a pull string in the back of your neck. You have repeated this same line ad nauseum, with absolutely no reference of fact, that it has made anything that you post at this point difficult to be taken seriously.

[Rockyrd]

I'm beginning to think you have a pull string in the back of your neck. You have repeated this same line ad nauseum, with absolutely no reference of fact, that it has made anything that you post at this point difficult to be taken seriously.

POSTS 14 AND 19 carry FOUR links to why this is news worthy and certainly worthy of serious discussion from those who actually read.

JANMCN and I have had many differences over the years, but on this I could not agree more with her.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Seniors better hope that democrats are the party of no. They are the only thing standing between republicans and ending Medicare, privatizing social security and the VA, and repealing Obamacare.

Even with democrats voting no, republicans will probably still be able to get rid of all these programs through reconciliation.


What a bunch of fear mongering nonsense.

[Rockyrd]

Gotta admit....you supposed "conservatives" are so frustrating.

I am a staunch conservative and you people put me in the position of defending the liberal posters on here with your stupid and inane comments.

PLEASE read up on what is happening in the world, not your world, but the world

You folks simply ignore facts, and neve even mention the Trump appoint of Tom Price to Secy of HHS. This is a signal and makes this a worthy conversation.

"In picking Representative Tom Price, President-elect Donald Trump has chosen as his secretary of health and human services a man intent on systematically weakening, if not demolishing, the nation’s health care safety net.

Mr. Price, a Republican from Georgia, is a fierce opponent of the Affordable Care Act, the 2010 health reform law, and beyond that, supports plans to slash Medicare and Medicaid, "

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/30/opinion/tom-price-a-radical-choice-for-health-secretary.html?_r=0

"President-elect Donald Trump's selection of Rep. Tom Price to head the Department of Health and Human Services signals that the new administration is all-in on both efforts to repeal the Affordable Care Act and restructure Medicare and Medicaid.

Price, a Georgia Republican who currently chairs the House Budget Committee, was among the first to suggest that not just the ACA but also Medicare are on the near-term agenda for newly empowered Republicans.

Privatizing the Medicare program for seniors and disabled people and turning the Medicaid program for the poor back to the states are long-time goals for Republicans in Congress and the White House."

Access Denied (http://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2016-11-30/tom-price-appointment-underscores-gop-plans-to-overhaul-medicare-and-medicaid)

You embarass any conservatives on here with your manifestation of your lack of knowledge and your incessant need to simply allow the world to go by you while you diddle your thumbs.

Wake up

[Rockyrd]

It is simply embarassing to watch you folks go right past so much news and simply to continue on with ramblings.

Do you never get embarassed ? Is reading too much to ask before you pollute this forum with your condescending attitude and remarks ? You make the comparison of Trump followers made in the campaign seem real and much too close.

Why is it so difficult to discuss differences of opinion based on what is ACTUALLY HAPPENING instead of your dream world. ?

I would love to support the conservative movement on this forum, but you folks make it difficult by not even being conversant on the governing of the nation.

If all you want to do is simply trash Obama and Clinton, that is not political discussion....that is petty, childish, and being totally unaware. Those are attributes that you said during the campaign belonged to the left, but which you seem to embrace and eschew on this forum.

The left is making you look foolish. Yes, Trump won but on this forum, you guys look like losers.

I really want to defend the conservative agenda but with allies like you, I just want to......well, lets say my stomach is a bit upset.

You actually drive real conservatives away.

[rubicon]

Ryan has repeated a number of times going back to the 2012 election period that any changes made to medicare would not affect people who were 55 or older.

Anyone believing or promoting fear that any politician Democrat or Republican would be as foolish to pull medicare of the shelf immediately is either naive', a non-thinker or a liar. Look at the history of this nation any changes to our mode of transportation, etc evolved. If the Republicans are successful in producing a bill that will alter the financing, etc of medicare it will be an evolutionary process affecting later generations of Americans and not grandpa and grandma now or in the near future.

Trump's modus operandi is very cleverly disguised and plays to the emotional reactionaries on the left. And they bite every time. Personally I do not like Trump's approach but it gets results.

Trump has them so up in arms that liberals are purchasing fire arms at a record breaking level.

But then the left has spent some 40 years trying to breed out alpha males in their ranks and replacing them with metrosexuals.

Personal Best Regards:

[Rockyrd]

Ryan has repeated a number of times going back to the 2012 election period that any changes made to medicare would not affect people who were 55 or older.

Anyone believing or promoting fear that any politician Democrat or Republican would be as foolish to pull medicare of the shelf immediately is either naive', a non-thinker or a liar. Look at the history of this nation any changes to our mode of transportation, etc evolved. If the Republicans are successful in producing a bill that will alter the financing, etc of medicare it will be an evolutionary process affecting later generations of Americans and not grandpa and grandma now or in the near future.

Trump's modus operandi is very cleverly disguised and plays to the emotional reactionaries on the left. And they bite every time. Personally I do not like Trump's approach but it gets results.

Trump has them so up in arms that liberals are purchasing fire arms at a record breaking level.

But then the left has spent some 40 years trying to breed out alpha males in their ranks and replacing them with metrosexuals.

Personal Best Regards:

Well, at least you are consistent.

THERE IS, no matter what you proclaim a movement to privatize Medicaire and Medicaid. It is in the news if you bother to look beyond whatever koolaide Trump/Jim Jones is offering.

Your confidence in Trump and his total silence on this issue is becoming the norm....do not discuss the issues.

Will it affect those already in the program ? I think not, but trust me.....it will be discussed and you are simply foolish with the appointment of Price to not see the handwriting on the wall.

You always feel is smarter than everyone, yet thus far and he has not taken office yet, the only folks that have been hoodwinked by him are his followers.

You are acting EXACTLY AS THE DEMOCRATS did in 2008. We wil handle this without any input from the other side and that got us OBAMA CARE and 8 years of resentment. Is that what you are looking for.

Did not Trump also say he wanted to bring all of us together ? This is the way, to dismiss everything and simply say, even though not even close to true, how Trump is so smart ?

Listen, he is filling the swamp, empowering the money, eschewing the voters (no press conference), continues to lie on twitter (although thought that might change). I am willing to support some of his programs but you people on here better wake up...the election is over....now it is governing and you are sounding, oh so much like the Democrats in 2008, while you SAID you wanted the high road, you continue to act as children.

HOW SMART was it of Trump to take credit for the nations holiday sales....when they are down from last year Only the Jim Jones followers buy into this stuff...why does someone as smart as you seem to be buy into this Your hate for the left is blinding you.

[Henryk]

OUR GOVERNMENT is supposed to be oppositional. TRUMP claims to be a deal maker. Trump has not even yet taken office and he has NEGOTIATED a deal with CARRIER-saving AMERICAN JOBS and with BOEING-saving AMERICAN TAXPAYER MONEY.

He negotiated NOTHING. It was a seven-million dollar bribe.

[janmcn]

Ryan has repeated a number of times going back to the 2012 election period that any changes made to medicare would not affect people who were 55 or older.

Anyone believing or promoting fear that any politician Democrat or Republican would be as foolish to pull medicare of the shelf immediately is either naive', a non-thinker or a liar. Look at the history of this nation any changes to our mode of transportation, etc evolved. If the Republicans are successful in producing a bill that will alter the financing, etc of medicare it will be an evolutionary process affecting later generations of Americans and not grandpa and grandma now or in the near future.

Trump's modus operandi is very cleverly disguised and plays to the emotional reactionaries on the left. And they bite every time. Personally I do not like Trump's approach but it gets results.

Trump has them so up in arms that liberals are purchasing fire arms at a record breaking level.

But then the left has spent some 40 years trying to breed out alpha males in their ranks and replacing them with metrosexuals.

Personal Best Regards:


Parts of the medicare replacement bill (the voucher plan) are leaking out on-line. The full benefit retirement age is being raised from 65 to 70.

All those in their early 60's who are counting the days until they turn 65 can now add another five years to their plans.

[Rockyrd]

Parts of the medicare replacement bill (the voucher plan) are leaking out on-line. The full benefit retirement age is being raised from 65 to 70.

All those in their early 60's who are counting the days until they turn 65 can now add another five years to their plans.

Golly, you make me agree with you once again JANMCN.

Please stop confusing any "conversation" with facts.

Would it not be great if someday a real conversation on this issue could take place.

"His plan, called A Better Way, would slowly raise the age of eligibility for Medicare and cap federal spending for the program, increasing subsidies for low-income seniors but raising out-of-pocket costs for higher-income retirees. It would make Medicare Advantage managed care plans more attractive. And, in a significant omission, it barely acknowledges the importance of long-term supports and services for older adults and younger people with disabilities and suggests few ways to improve such care.

Forbes Welcome (http://www.forbes.com/sites/howardgleckman/2016/06/22/what-paul-ryans-latest-health-proposal-would-mean-for-seniors/#25bfbe7a5f39)

[MDLNB]

Golly, you make me agree with you once again JANMCN.

Please stop confusing any "conversation" with facts.

Would it not be great if someday a real conversation on this issue could take place.

"His plan, called A Better Way, would slowly raise the age of eligibility for Medicare and cap federal spending for the program, increasing subsidies for low-income seniors but raising out-of-pocket costs for higher-income retirees. It would make Medicare Advantage managed care plans more attractive. And, in a significant omission, it barely acknowledges the importance of long-term supports and services for older adults and younger people with disabilities and suggests few ways to improve such care.

Forbes Welcome (http://www.forbes.com/sites/howardgleckman/2016/06/22/what-paul-ryans-latest-health-proposal-would-mean-for-seniors/#25bfbe7a5f39)

Sorry Rocky, but you are about as conservative as your friends Jan or MCN. I don't know why you are ashamed to admit it....wait, yes I do.

All of this is purely fear mongering, just like what the libtards accused us of doing when Obama was treading all over the Constitution. You can't take a letter to the editor or a commentary from a liberal and turn it into a factual news source. Next thing you all will be doing is pushing the Pravda as a valid source of information.

[Rockyrd]

Sorry Rocky, but you are about as conservative as your friends Jan or MCN. I don't know why you are ashamed to admit it....wait, yes I do.

All of this is purely fear mongering, just like what the libtards accused us of doing when Obama was treading all over the Constitution. You can't take a letter to the editor or a commentary from a liberal and turn it into a factual news source. Next thing you all will be doing is pushing the Pravda as a valid source of information.

I am ashamed of nothing in my life including my real conservatism.

I think a number of posters, if they wished, who were around from 2007 on on this forum could attest to the fact that I am a conservaative.

Name calling aside, wanting to discuss and issue that just came to light is of concern.

Trump says....will not touch medicaire at all.

Ryan says.....want to privatize it

Trump appoints a man who want to privatize it.

Sort of worthy of a conversation

Oh...and were ALL of my FIVE lnks to letters to the editor ? And guess what....talking about commentary...is that not what political discussion is all about.?

[MDLNB]

I am ashamed of nothing in my life including my real conservatism.

I think a number of posters, if they wished, who were around from 2007 on on this forum could attest to the fact that I am a conservaative.

Name calling aside, wanting to discuss and issue that just came to light is of concern.

Trump says....will not touch medicaire at all.

Ryan says.....want to privatize it

Trump appoints a man who want to privatize it.

Sort of worthy of a conversation

Oh...and were ALL of my FIVE lnks to letters to the editor ? And guess what....talking about commentary...is that not what political discussion is all about.?

Whatever. Personally, I don't care what they plan to do with Medicare. It is useless to me, but I am sure that others may be attached to it, need it. I just don't believe that speculation on what might happen or what someone is thinking might happen is anything to worry about. It takes a congress to pass legislation. Remember, we don't have someone like Obie that can get away with circumventing the constitution with his E.O.s.

Fear mongering is doing no one any good. But, if it is a bad news day and this is the only discussion, go for it.

[dirtbanker]

I think a number of posters, if they wished, who were around from 2007 on on this forum could attest to the fact that I am a conservaative.

Past tense maybe...you were converted to a liberal this past election. You have been whining negatively (like a liberal) about Trump for over a year now. Trump won, you lost, and your still whining...AND you have nothing negative to say about Obamma??

[Buffalo Jim]

Past tense maybe...you were converted to a liberal this past election. You have been whining negatively (like a liberal) about Trump for over a year now. Trump won, you lost, and your still whining...AND you have nothing negative to say about Obamma??

Angry White Women and emasculated males voted for Her Highness .

Now those two segments of the electorate can not accept the outcome . And they remain Angry White Women .

[justjim]

Does Medicare need some revisions? Of course it does. As a group we are living much longer. Both Medicare and Social Security need slowly raise the age requirements. Social security did it a few years ago and there was no big outcry. Medicare has already been privatized to some extent. Medicare Advantage programs are the best example. A "hybrid" Social Security plan is not out of the question for some who want some choices for their retirement.

Both Social Security and Medicare have been great programs in the past but they both need updated and need to reflect current economic reality. We must find the political will to face reality.

[Rockyrd]

Past tense maybe...you were converted to a liberal this past election. You have been whining negatively (like a liberal) about Trump for over a year now. Trump won, you lost, and your still whining...AND you have nothing negative to say about Obamma??

Slowly now...

1. Yes, I opposed the nomination of Trump VERY MUCH

2. I think, based in other responses, I am required to say I am certainly not pro Clinton.

3. I have posted a lot on Trump...because

A...I do not like lying and he lies.
B...I certainly would prefer to discuss appointees or issues, but that does not seem to be a big item in here.
C. I see no point in verbally abusing Clinton or Obama, and especially restricting my comments to that subject. Lots facing us, and that is what we should discuss. If either of them are "involved" in an issue, then let the chips fall where they may.
D. I would prefer not..NOT to discuss Trump at this point, and certainly not in a negative manner, but he is turning on his supporters. Continues to lie and thus I say what I think.
E. I still value conservative views, and once he takes office, I will talk loudly for that. I will not shut up and simply accept untruths and mis direction.

[autumnspring]

Not so stupid...lots of material to actually read, should you choose.



"Yet the evidence is mounting that the GOP plans to green light Medicare privatization, sought by Paul Ryan, Speaker of the House. When he nominated Rep. Tom Price to be head of the Department of Health and Services, Trump signaled a willingness to carve up the medical program."

Forbes Welcome (http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnwasik/2016/12/02/how-trump-gop-will-maul-medicare/#201ad1167e2e)

It has been passed where you can create a healthcare account where you can SAVE money for healthcare EXPENSES. The GIMMMEEEEESSSSS object because SHOCKING AS IT IS, half the people in the US pay no income tax so SAVING MONEY TAX FREE is of no benefit to someone who pays no tax. Have we moved soooo far left under OBAMA that not charging tax on healthcare savings is unfair because half the people in the US do not pay any tax?

It has also been suggested that we privatize social security. After all they tell us, just as they told us about real estate, that the stock market always goes up. I have added-EXCEPT WHEN IT DOES NOT. Were we allowed ot invest our social security funds in the stock market, first of all it would be impossible for us as the government has already spent the money you have put in BUYING VOTES from the people before us. If, we were 20 again, and invested WISELY, we would likely have more to draw upon from social security. What about those that did not invest wisely. Just as is happening now. Those that invested smart with a bit of luck thrown in would be expected to SUBSIDIZE those who did not do well. People would expect, people would demand a guaranteed return as our LIBERAL GOVERNMENT did with real estate SHORT-SALES.

[autumnspring]

It is simply embarassing to watch you folks go right past so much news and simply to continue on with ramblings.

Do you never get embarassed ? Is reading too much to ask before you pollute this forum with your condescending attitude and remarks ? You make the comparison of Trump followers made in the campaign seem real and much too close.

Why is it so difficult to discuss differences of opinion based on what is ACTUALLY HAPPENING instead of your dream world. ?

I would love to support the conservative movement on this forum, but you folks make it difficult by not even being conversant on the governing of the nation.

If all you want to do is simply trash Obama and Clinton, that is not political discussion....that is petty, childish, and being totally unaware. Those are attributes that you said during the campaign belonged to the left, but which you seem to embrace and eschew on this forum.

The left is making you look foolish. Yes, Trump won but on this forum, you guys look like losers.

I really want to defend the conservative agenda but with allies like you, I just want to......well, lets say my stomach is a bit upset.

You actually drive real conservatives away.

You are some kind of zealot and more important you do not see it.

Like the person who goes to church or temple more times than their friend so thinks they are more holy.

Condi Rice often begins her classes with the line, IF, ALL YOUR FRIENDS AGREE WITH YOU YOU NEED SOME NEW FRIENDS.

From ME-if you think you are sooooooo Superior to others
why waste you time-sit there and talk to yourself-YOU WILL FIND THAT YOUR ENTIRE AUDIENCE AGREES WITH YOU AND HAS NOTHING OF VALUE TO ADD.

[Rockyrd]

You are some kind of zealot and more important you do not see it.

Like the person who goes to church or temple more times than their friend so thinks they are more holy.

Condi Rice often begins her classes with the line, IF, ALL YOUR FRIENDS AGREE WITH YOU YOU NEED SOME NEW FRIENDS.

From ME-if you think you are sooooooo Superior to others
why waste you time-sit there and talk to yourself-YOU WILL FIND THAT YOUR ENTIRE AUDIENCE AGREES WITH YOU AND HAS NOTHING OF VALUE TO ADD.

You see, for me it is easy.

If all we do is bow to Trump, chastise Clinton and Obama then I am ok...I know that is a waste if time. So, my "superiority" complex as you see it comes from just simply wanting the wasted time on verbally abusing people who will not be involved in making decisions, and trying to make sense of why Trump continues to flat out lie in a daily basis. I assume he knows he won.

Where I can really "eat crow" is on discussion of issues because in that venue I am here to learn.

And, as a "compliment" I do understand your posts and your issue....spending beyond our means and for actuallly going at an issue I applaud you.

I do not respond because until we really know where spending might go, it is tough. Word is Trump wants over a trillion in infrastructure, this morning Bib Woodward reported he had a conversation with Gen Flynn, we can anticipate more military spending, etc etc. With tax cuts, even in wealthy in the horizon...well, there is a reason why I have been pushing discussion and understanding of Medicaire, Medicaid and maybe Social Security...it may be the only way to go.

So, I agree with Condi Rice, and if you or anyone wants me to "ear crow, talk issues and I will be asking questions.

And I stand by my comments about the so called "conservatives" on this forum. The one way street if bashing irrelevant people and ignoring the verbal head fakes we will actually play into the left leaning posters. So long we heard on here from Conservatives to Liberals...how long will you be blaming Bush.....they are going to get the same chance as we ignore what is happening and play this name calling game.

[rubicon]

Well, at least you are consistent.

THERE IS, no matter what you proclaim a movement to privatize Medicaire and Medicaid. It is in the news if you bother to look beyond whatever koolaide Trump/Jim Jones is offering.

Your confidence in Trump and his total silence on this issue is becoming the norm....do not discuss the issues.

Will it affect those already in the program ? I think not, but trust me.....it will be discussed and you are simply foolish with the appointment of Price to not see the handwriting on the wall.

You always feel is smarter than everyone, yet thus far and he has not taken office yet, the only folks that have been hoodwinked by him are his followers.

You are acting EXACTLY AS THE DEMOCRATS did in 2008. We wil handle this without any input from the other side and that got us OBAMA CARE and 8 years of resentment. Is that what you are looking for.

Did not Trump also say he wanted to bring all of us together ? This is the way, to dismiss everything and simply say, even though not even close to true, how Trump is so smart ?

Listen, he is filling the swamp, empowering the money, eschewing the voters (no press conference), continues to lie on twitter (although thought that might change). I am willing to support some of his programs but you people on here better wake up...the election is over....now it is governing and you are sounding, oh so much like the Democrats in 2008, while you SAID you wanted the high road, you continue to act as children.

HOW SMART was it of Trump to take credit for the nations holiday sales....when they are down from last year Only the Jim Jones followers buy into this stuff...why does someone as smart as you seem to be buy into this Your hate for the left is blinding you.

Guest:

Show me where I said there were plans to privatize medicare or medicaid?

We are al subjected to the koolaide but I have a habit of diluting mine to my taste.

My confidence is not in Trump but in those Americans who are serious to ask why and keep politicians on their toes.

I said any changes to such program evolve. Geeezzz

Believe me when I say there is no question in my mind that the Democrats will do everything in their power to interfere with Trump's presidency..However there are 10 democrats vying for reelection in 2018 that may well work with Trump to secure their positions.

Trump has extended an olive branch to many of his opponents and critics. If you were honest it isn't Trump continuing this divide its
progressives who can't reconcile their loss like Maxina Watters nancy Pelosi, Barrack Obama, etc.

Overall you have already graded Trump's performance and he hasn't even been sworn in yet. Well that's convenient.

You might want to study up on the failings of confirmation bias thinking. You might want to alleviate the hate and anger behind your thinking as its unhealthy and unwise.

Personal Best Regards:

[ColdNoMore]

Gotta admit....you supposed "conservatives" are so frustrating.

I am a staunch conservative and you people put me in the position of defending the liberal posters on here with your stupid and inane comments.


Actually, I am a bit relieved that you are the only conservative here, that actually takes the time to research, provide links and explain how you came to your conclusions.

As a Centrist, I find it is much more work (but infinitely more rewarding) to actually debate a moderate conservative like yourself, instead of constantly reading emotional one/two-liners... with right-wing zealots.

While I don't expect to win over everyone on the 'other' side on an issue, I at least know that there is an appreciation of establishing the reasoning of taking a position...instead of the emotional petulance that we see from almost all of the Trump supporters here. :ohdear:

When I first started posting in this forum, I made the mistake of thinking...that I was dealing mostly with rational adults.

I spent the time and effort to use legitimate and respected sources (acknowledging when something was an 'opinion' and when is was an actual 'fact') thinking that surely in The Villages most were real adults.

I quickly learned however...that isn't the case. :oops:

Just for the heck of it, I did a little research on a couple of the most prolific posters in this forum.

Unbelievably, MDLNB shows 13,356 posts since he joined in 2012 (4 years @8.45 posts per day)...and yet NOT A SINGLE POST (just two started threads, with an original post only)..... outside of the Political Forum. :22yikes:

Add to that the fact that his posts down here do not even make an attempt at actual debate and the very rare links he provides, are primarily from fake news sites...and you have one very lonely and angry individual. :ohdear:

Which, once again, brings out more empathy from me...than anything else.

So now, I realize what I'm dealing with and just chortle as he and others...stays true to type. :D

[Abby10]

POSTS 14 AND 19 carry FOUR links to why this is news worthy and certainly worthy of serious discussion from those who actually read.

JANMCN and I have had many differences over the years, but on this I could not agree more with her.

I'm not saying it is not news worthy, however the "sky is falling" mentality is getting old. It seems to come up in EVERY thread and the person who posts it as I said, ad nauseum, never has anything else to say about it. I thank you for providing some links, however I don't see anything about anyone ENDING any program. Of course, many things will be looked at and considered for change, but why all the hysteria? I mean we haven't even gotten started here - let's give the process a chance, and an open mind.

[janmcn]

I'm not saying it is not news worthy, however the "sky is falling" mentality is getting old. It seems to come up in EVERY thread and the person who posts it as I said, ad nauseum, never has anything else to say about it. I thank you for providing some links, however I don't see anything about anyone ENDING any program. Of course, many things will be looked at and considered for change, but why all the hysteria? I mean we haven't even gotten started here - let's give the process a chance, and an open mind.


Did you not hear DHHS nominee Tom Price, MD promise that Medicare would be ended in six to eight months. Trump just picked another nominee, McEvey from SC, who is more opposed to Medicare than Price.

[Abby10]

Did you not hear DHHS nominee Tom Price, MD promise that Medicare would be ended in six to eight months. Trump just picked another nominee, McEvey from SC, who is more opposed to Medicare than Price.

Link, please? I did see one (politifact) that says that is NOT true, however. Maybe you should expand your research efforts before posting. You wrote, "did I hear" - I try not to just believe hearsay.

[Abby10]

Actually, I am a bit relieved that you are the only conservative here, that actually takes the time to research, provide links and explain how you came to your conclusions.

As a Centrist, I find it is much more work (but infinitely more rewarding) to actually debate a moderate conservative like yourself, instead of constantly reading emotional one/two-liners... with right-wing zealots.

While I don't expect to win over everyone on the 'other' side on an issue, I at least know that there is an appreciation of establishing the reasoning of taking a position...instead of the emotional petulance that we see from almost all of the Trump supporters here. :ohdear:

When I first started posting in this forum, I made the mistake of thinking...that I was dealing mostly with rational adults.

I spent the time and effort to use legitimate and respected sources (acknowledging when something was an 'opinion' and when is was an actual 'fact') thinking that surely in The Villages most were real adults.

I quickly learned however...that isn't the case. :oops:

Just for the heck of it, I did a little research on a couple of the most prolific posters in this forum.

Unbelievably, MDLNB shows 13,356 posts since he joined in 2012 (4 years @8.45 posts per day)...and yet NOT A SINGLE POST (just two started threads, with an original post only)..... outside of the Political Forum. :22yikes:

Add to that the fact that his posts down here do not even make an attempt at actual debate and the very rare links he provides, are primarily from fake news sites...and you have one very lonely and angry individual. :ohdear:

Which, once again, brings out more empathy from me...than anything else.

So now, I realize what I'm dealing with and just chortle as he and others...stays true to type. :D

Please re-read your last 2 statements and explain how having empathy for someone, at the same time chortlng at them, goes hand in hand. I must have missed something here (?)

[Rockyrd]

Link, please? I did see one (politifact) that says that is NOT true, however. Maybe you should expand your research efforts before posting. You wrote, "did I hear" - I try not to just believe hearsay.

A liberal site, but a quote is a quote. Be aware, this IS the game plan.

"
Price also noted that Republicans are eyeing using a tactic known as budget reconciliation to make the change. That process allows Republicans to pass bills with a simple majority in the U.S. Senate.

When asked by TPM about timing for changes to Medicare, Price said "I think that is probably in the second phase of reconciliation, which would have to be in the FY 18 budget resolution in the first 6-8 months."

Rep. Tom Price Reveals Republicans Eyeing Medicare Overhaul In 2017 (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/tom-price-reveals-republicans-eyeing-medicare-overhaul-in-2017)

[Rockyrd]

Please re-read your last 2 statements and explain how having empathy for someone, at the same time chortlng at them, goes hand in hand. I must have missed something here (?)

Listen, I have "chorted" at people on here, and admit it was in anger and frustration.

When you read downright lies about anyone, or a boldface lie on an issue, you let people know and they find their lying and your frustration with it to be funny.

I get angry. I hate liars. Lying is different than disagreeing.

I cannot speak for the poster you reply to, but at times I read these lies, and realize that this person is well aware he/she is lying. They have no respect for truth, or other posters, and you try to envision what kind of person does this. What would make a human being have so little pride in themselves to get giggles from doing this....sometimes for me, that equals "chortle" and sometimes empathy.

It is amazing to me that instead of trying to make someone titter, or whatever reason, they could use this powerful internet work for them and not nvestigate.

Amazing how much more you enjoy politics when you understand the issues and can talk about them.

[Abby10]

A liberal site, but a quote is a quote. Be aware, this IS the game plan.

"
Price also noted that Republicans are eyeing using a tactic known as budget reconciliation to make the change. That process allows Republicans to pass bills with a simple majority in the U.S. Senate.

When asked by TPM about timing for changes to Medicare, Price said "I think that is probably in the second phase of reconciliation, which would have to be in the FY 18 budget resolution in the first 6-8 months."

Rep. Tom Price Reveals Republicans Eyeing Medicare Overhaul In 2017 (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/tom-price-reveals-republicans-eyeing-medicare-overhaul-in-2017)

I guess I'm going to have to repeat myself one more time - I get that there are going to be changes. I don't think that is newsworthy since just about everyone knows that. My point is posters, particularly one on here, who continues to cry wolf about everything being stopped, ended, etc. Enough of the hysteria! Let's wait and see....what else can we do at this place and time anyway? I do know one thing though - ONE PERSON ALONE cannot fundamentally change important programs such as medicare and social security, so let's just see what happens before shouting the sky is falling.

[Rockyrd]

I guess I'm going to have to repeat myself one more time - I get that there are going to be changes. I don't think that is newsworthy since just about everyone knows that. My point is posters, particularly one on here, who continues to cry wolf about everything being stopped, ended, etc. Enough of the hysteria! Let's wait and see....what else can we do at this place and time anyway? I do know one thing though - ONE PERSON ALONE cannot fundamentally change important programs such as medicare and social security, so let's just see what happens before shouting the sky is falling.

JANMCN is no friend of mine. She and I have "tussled" many times over the years, however,

When she first browched the subject, she was greeted with verbal guffaws, and boasts of how Trump said...no way.

Then she kept at it, and because Trump said he would never touch it, she was in the receiving end again.

I gotta defend her. While you may understand the reality, many in here still believe what Donald Trump said about never touching these programs was true.

His recent appointment would actually be embarrassing now if he DIDNT do it. You must be understand that there are some who really believe what Trump promised, despite his track record, albeit early.

[Abby10]

Listen, I have "chorted" at people on here, and admit it was in anger and frustration.

When you read downright lies about anyone, or a boldface lie on an issue, you let people know and they find their lying and your frustration with it to be funny.

I get angry. I hate liars. Lying is different than disagreeing.

I cannot speak for the poster you reply to, but at times I read these lies, and realize that this person is well aware he/she is lying. They have no respect for truth, or other posters, and you try to envision what kind of person does this. What would make a human being have so little pride in themselves to get giggles from doing this....sometimes for me, that equals "chortle" and sometimes empathy.

It is amazing to me that instead of trying to make someone titter, or whatever reason, they could use this powerful internet work for them and not nvestigate.

Amazing how much more you enjoy politics when you understand the issues and can talk about them.

Sorry, I meant to type chortling. I remember you from the old political forum. I did not post then, and still don't very much now, but I remember you very well because I always admired your posts. They were usually very informative and I remember your enjoyment in engaging with others on issues and the back and forth that went on. But something has definitely changed and ever since you identified who you were, I have been trying to put my finger on it. I would like to think it's just the nature of the forum as it is today (which isn't that great with all the bickering) but I can't help but think it is in your interactions as well. You talk about people lying and point them out and it's obvious it makes you very angry. But some of those attacks I really didn't see them the same way. Sometimes people are just voicing their opinions or a summary of how they view things, and I don't see anything wrong with that even if they are incorrect in my opinion or inadequate in source information. At least it gives me food for thought....another way of looking at things perhaps, much like a conversation with someone. I would much prefer that type of interaction than the one liners or outright verbal assaults that some seem to use this forum for. Of course, this is JMHO, for what it's worth, but I enjoy conversation, debating, etc, and I don't feel that on an informal forum such as this one that we should have to worry about every "mistake" in conversation that we make. In fact, maybe, like in face to face conversation, we could be more forgiving and inquire of one's meaning instead of atttacking. Just a thought.

In the meantime, I hope you keep posting , but I think I much prefer your old style. 😊 As to your last line above, I totally agree. That's why I often try to do more reading/listening than responding as I try to understand more clearly all there is to know about the world and politics. Your posts in the past are what got me on this path to want to learn so many years ago, along with others on this forum - some still here and some that I miss.

I guess what this really is is a plea for everyone to be a little more respectful of one another - me included. Peace everyone and carry-on.

[Rockyrd]

Sorry, I meant to type chortling. I remember you from the old political forum. I did not post then, and still don't very much now, but I remember you very well because I always admired your posts. They were usually very informative and I remember your enjoyment in engaging with others on issues and the back and forth that went on. But something has definitely changed and ever since you identified who you were, I have been trying to put my finger on it. I would like to think it's just the nature of the forum as it is today (which isn't that great with all the bickering) but I can't help but think it is in your interactions as well. You talk about people lying and point them out and it's obvious it makes you very angry. But some of those attacks I really didn't see them the same way. Sometimes people are just voicing their opinions or a summary of how they view things, and I don't see anything wrong with that even if they are incorrect in my opinion or inadequate in source information. At least it gives me food for thought....another way of looking at things perhaps, much like a conversation with someone. I would much prefer that type of interaction than the one liners or outright verbal assaults that some seem to use this forum for. Of course, this is JMHO, for what it's worth, but I enjoy conversation, debating, etc, and I don't feel that on an informal forum such as this one that we should have to worry about every "mistake" in conversation that we make. In fact, maybe, like in face to face conversation, we could be more forgiving and inquire of one's meaning instead of atttacking. Just a thought.

In the meantime, I hope you keep posting , but I think I much prefer your old style. 😊 As to your last line above, I totally agree. That's why I often try to do more reading/listening than responding as I try to understand more clearly all there is to know about the world and politics. Your posts in the past are what got me on this path to want to learn so many years ago, along with others on this forum - some still here and some that I miss.

I guess what this really is is a plea for everyone to be a little more respectful of one another - me included. Peace everyone and carry-on.

Thanks for your critique..I appreciate it.

I also understand and agree.

Nobody cares, but my total and complete distaste for Donald Trump is difficult for me to put into words. I abhor everything he stands for, and find him to be the single most failed human being.

I think that gets into my posts to those who support him, and thank you for noticing. When he boldface lies on twitter, and I read a supporting comment on here, and I know they have no clue he is lying, it simply riles me.

I would love to engage once again, discussing actual issues, but Trumps followers on this forum mirror him quite well. Uninformed and unable to put even a sentence together about any issue.

I believe Trump is very similar to Jim Jones in his complete lack of character and his ego.

I was aghast when he became the nominee versus a woman I could not wait to leave public office.

While I welcome what might be a conservative agenda to the White House, my fear if this man, along with Flynn and Bannon has no bounds.

I have also found that some if the posters from the past who labeled themselves and posted as such have moved so far right to the extreme.

They seem to be absorbed with such hate for Obama, they have completely lost sight of where they are moving. It appears I'm misunderstood how important race was and is to some.

In any case, thanks for calling this to my attention. I am sure my disgust over our President Elect becomes evident when I post to his followers. I just wish they might make an effort to learn, not only about the total and complete liar they are worshiping, but to understand the election is over and we should be discussing issues facing us.

Thank you...I will try to temper myself a bit, but still point out what I consider as untruths. I suppose I should simply tolerate those who are so found of cartoon.

Thanks again..,you are/were correct.

[Allegiance]

Listen, I have "chorted" at people on here, and admit it was in anger and frustration.

When you read downright lies about anyone, or a boldface lie on an issue, you let people know and they find their lying and your frustration with it to be funny.

I get angry. I hate liars. Lying is different than disagreeing.

I cannot speak for the poster you reply to, but at times I read these lies, and realize that this person is well aware he/she is lying. They have no respect for truth, or other posters, and you try to envision what kind of person does this. What would make a human being have so little pride in themselves to get giggles from doing this....sometimes for me, that equals "chortle" and sometimes empathy.

It is amazing to me that instead of trying to make someone titter, or whatever reason, they could use this powerful internet work for them and not nvestigate.

Amazing how much more you enjoy politics when you understand the issues and can talk about them.
He is right, and Santa also said it's naughty to lie. 100% of the elves agree, and I polled everyone of them.

100%

[Allegiance]

JANMCN is no friend of mine. She and I have "tussled" many times over the years, however,

When she first browched the subject, she was greeted with verbal guffaws, and boasts of how Trump said...no way.

Then she kept at it, and because Trump said he would never touch it, she was in the receiving end again.

I gotta defend her. While you may understand the reality, many in here still believe what Donald Trump said about never touching these programs was true.

His recent appointment would actually be embarrassing now if he DIDNT do it. You must be understand that there are some who really believe what Trump promised, despite his track record, albeit early.
Since you switched to being the world's biggest liberal maybe you two should marry. Shared tears equals happy marriage

[Allegiance]

Thanks for your critique..I appreciate it.

I also understand and agree.

Nobody cares, but my total and complete distaste for Donald Trump is difficult for me to put into words. I abhor everything he stands for, and find him to be the single most failed human being.

I think that gets into my posts to those who support him, and thank you for noticing. When he boldface lies on twitter, and I read a supporting comment on here, and I know they have no clue he is lying, it simply riles me.

I would love to engage once again, discussing actual issues, but Trumps followers on this forum mirror him quite well. Uninformed and unable to put even a sentence together about any issue.

I believe Trump is very similar to Jim Jones in his complete lack of character and his ego.

I was aghast when he became the nominee versus a woman I could not wait to leave public office.

While I welcome what might be a conservative agenda to the White House, my fear if this man, along with Flynn and Bannon has no bounds.

I have also found that some if the posters from the past who labeled themselves and posted as such have moved so far right to the extreme.

They seem to be absorbed with such hate for Obama, they have completely lost sight of where they are moving. It appears I'm misunderstood how important race was and is to some.

In any case, thanks for calling this to my attention. I am sure my disgust over our President Elect becomes evident when I post to his followers. I just wish they might make an effort to learn, not only about the total and complete liar they are worshiping, but to understand the election is over and we should be discussing issues facing us.

Thank you...I will try to temper myself a bit, but still point out what I consider as untruths. I suppose I should simply tolerate those who are so found of cartoon.

Thanks again..,you are/were correct.
"Single most failed human being"


You can't make this stuff up.

And 100% of liberals might agree with you.

The 25 Most Evil People in History | 25 Most Evil People In History (https://25mostevil.wordpress.com)

But no matter how many Jan's or cnms pat your back, you are still cuckoo for coco puffs.

Obsessions are not cool. Maybe a 12 step program will help.

Overcoming Liberalism: A 12-Step Program (http://xenohistorian.faithweb.com/holybook/articles/liberalism.html)

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[Abby10]

Thanks for your critique..I appreciate it.

I also understand and agree.

Nobody cares, but my total and complete distaste for Donald Trump is difficult for me to put into words. I abhor everything he stands for, and find him to be the single most failed human being.

I think that gets into my posts to those who support him, and thank you for noticing. When he boldface lies on twitter, and I read a supporting comment on here, and I know they have no clue he is lying, it simply riles me.

I would love to engage once again, discussing actual issues, but Trumps followers on this forum mirror him quite well. Uninformed and unable to put even a sentence together about any issue.

I believe Trump is very similar to Jim Jones in his complete lack of character and his ego.

I was aghast when he became the nominee versus a woman I could not wait to leave public office.

While I welcome what might be a conservative agenda to the White House, my fear if this man, along with Flynn and Bannon has no bounds.

I have also found that some if the posters from the past who labeled themselves and posted as such have moved so far right to the extreme.

They seem to be absorbed with such hate for Obama, they have completely lost sight of where they are moving. It appears I'm misunderstood how important race was and is to some.

In any case, thanks for calling this to my attention. I am sure my disgust over our President Elect becomes evident when I post to his followers. I just wish they might make an effort to learn, not only about the total and complete liar they are worshiping, but to understand the election is over and we should be discussing issues facing us.

Thank you...I will try to temper myself a bit, but still point out what I consider as untruths. I suppose I should simply tolerate those who are so found of cartoon.

Thanks again..,you are/were correct.

And thank you for your response as it helps me to understand better where you are coming from. In fact, you remind me of an old boss of mine, still a really good friend, actually more like a brother to me. He too is a very strong conservative and could not from the get go even consider voting for Trump. To this day I have no idea who he voted for because we just don't talk about it. As a conservative myself, I did not vote for Trump in the primary but eventually did when he won the nomination. I have my reasons for how I voted and he has his, we just don't judge each other based on that. I have family members all over the spectrum politically, but the only thing that kept us from all getting together over the holidays was me having the flu. We wouldn't allow politics to get in between us even though we've had some heated conversations about it. I feel blessed about that - just wish we could have more of that here. I guess we can keep trying.

[MDLNB]

Actually, I am a bit relieved that you are the only conservative here, that actually takes the time to research, provide links and explain how you came to your conclusions.

As a Centrist, I find it is much more work (but infinitely more rewarding) to actually debate a moderate conservative like yourself, instead of constantly reading emotional one/two-liners... with right-wing zealots.

While I don't expect to win over everyone on the 'other' side on an issue, I at least know that there is an appreciation of establishing the reasoning of taking a position...instead of the emotional petulance that we see from almost all of the Trump supporters here. :ohdear:

When I first started posting in this forum, I made the mistake of thinking...that I was dealing mostly with rational adults.

I spent the time and effort to use legitimate and respected sources (acknowledging when something was an 'opinion' and when is was an actual 'fact') thinking that surely in The Villages most were real adults.

I quickly learned however...that isn't the case. :oops:

Just for the heck of it, I did a little research on a couple of the most prolific posters in this forum.

Unbelievably, MDLNB shows 13,356 posts since he joined in 2012 (4 years @8.45 posts per day)...and yet NOT A SINGLE POST (just two started threads, with an original post only)..... outside of the Political Forum. :22yikes:

Add to that the fact that his posts down here do not even make an attempt at actual debate and the very rare links he provides, are primarily from fake news sites...and you have one very lonely and angry individual. :ohdear:

Which, once again, brings out more empathy from me...than anything else.

So now, I realize what I'm dealing with and just chortle as he and others...stays true to type. :D

Nice lie, but no one is going to believe anything you say. Obviously, you do not know how to do your research. Probably too lazy. MDLNB did not start out on the Political forum and has many posts outside this one. But, either you are fishing or just stupid. Probably the latter.

Very rare links? I will gladly compare the number of threads that MDLNB started compared to any that you even commented on. Your comments are only on the poster or on calling a conservative names. Oh, and your cute little emoticons that are so juvenile and girly.

So sister, perhaps you should clean up your own backyard before sticking your nose in someone else's business.

[ColdNoMore]

Nice lie, but no one is going to believe anything you say. Obviously, you do not know how to do your research. Probably too lazy. MDLNB did not start out on the Political forum and has many posts outside this one. But, either you are fishing or just stupid. Probably the latter.

Very rare links? I will gladly compare the number of threads that MDLNB started compared to any that you even commented on. Your comments are only on the poster or on calling a conservative names. Oh, and your cute little emoticons that are so juvenile and girly.

So sister, perhaps you should clean up your own backyard before sticking your nose in someone else's business.

Do you really think everyone is as stupid as yourself? :oops:

It's simple to look up under 'Community' at the top of the header.

Of over 13,000 posts, you started two threads outside of the Political Forum...and posted in each once. :ohdear:

Every other single post (13,360) doesn't show...which means it is here in the Political Forum.

Thank you for proving my point that you're not only an ignorant idiot...but a flaming liar. :thumbup:

[MDLNB]

Do you really think everyone is as stupid as yourself? :oops:

It's simple to look up under 'Community' at the top of the header.

Of over 13,000 posts, you started two threads outside of the Political Forum...and posted in each once. :ohdear:

Every other single post (13,360) doesn't show...which means it is here in the Political Forum.

Thank you for proving my point that you're not only an ignorant idiot...but a flaming liar. :thumbup:

Wow, such a prissy little girl! Temper, temper.

The fact is that you are lying. But, suit yourself. No one cares but you. But, you are very wrong. I posted on here before I even bought down here. And I would gladly compare the threads that I have started with news articles against yours anytime. You must be pretty miserable. I guess you are no longer "living rent free in anyone's mind" now, huh? Karma's a b*tch when it comes back to bite you in the *** isn't it?

Try being civil and maybe you wouldn't be stepped on so much.

[ColdNoMore]

Wow, such a prissy little girl! Temper, temper.

The fact is that you are lying. But, suit yourself. No one cares but you. But, you are very wrong. I posted on here before I even bought down here. And I would gladly compare the threads that I have started with news articles against yours anytime. You must be pretty miserable. I guess you are no longer "living rent free in anyone's mind" now, huh? Karma's a b*tch when it comes back to bite you in the *** isn't it?

Try being civil and maybe you wouldn't be stepped on so much.


:1rotfl:

Doubling down on your lying and waffling I see. ;)

Here, anyone can look it up...and I've made it easier for them. :wave:

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/search.php?searchid=13145555


Click on the link, go to the two threads you've started and then try to find any of your other 13,370 posts...that aren't here in the Political Forum.

Hint...there isn't any.

So who's lying now....beyotch. :D

You are simply one ignorant, lonely, angry...and not-too-bright little girl. :ho:


PS: I'm definitely still living in your head...rent free. :thumbup:

[MDLNB]

:1rotfl:

Doubling down on your lying and waffling I see. ;)

Here, anyone can look it up...and I've made it easier for them. :wave:

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/search.php?searchid=13145555


Click on the link, go to the two threads you've started and then try to find any of your other 13,370 posts...that aren't here in the Political Forum.

Hint...there isn't any.

So who's lying now....beyotch. :D

You are simply one ignorant, lonely, angry...and not-too-bright little girl. :ho:

Wow, you have finally lost it. Sorry, lil' miss priss but it's too early for me to play. Take a pill and come back when you feel better.

Wow, I am embarrassed for you.

Oh, and if you are really stalking me, then you should/would know that my information says I am a male.

[Don Baldwin]

OK ladies...enough...take it to PM, nobody cares.

[ColdNoMore]

Wow, you have finally lost it. Sorry, lil' miss priss but it's too early for me to play. Take a pill and come back when you feel better.

Wow, I am embarrassed for you.

Oh, and if you are really stalking me, then you should/would know that my information says I am a male.

Hey, don't get your panties in such a bunch little girl.

You're nothing but a troll...and I simply proved it. :shrug:

You provide nothing of substance to even this forum (hint; 13 year old humor is not substance :oops:)...but you actually do serve a purpose.

You, like Don Baldwin who also doesn't have any posts in the main part of this forum...are great examples of what true trolls are like.

Therefore, decent people can look at those like you two and be appreciative that they have lives and interests that aren't confined to seeing how immature (or sickeningly racist/bigoted/misogynistic in Baldwin's case)...they can be on a daily basis, on an anonymous website. :beer3:

So hold your head up and be proud, because after all being an example (albeit even a bad one)...is still at least being an example. :thumbup:

[MDLNB]

Hey, don't get your panties in such a bunch little girl.

You're nothing but a troll...and I simply proved it. :shrug:

You provide nothing of substance to even this forum (hint; 13 year old humor is not substance :oops:)...but you actually do serve a purpose.

You, like Don Baldwin who also doesn't have any posts in the main part of this forum...are great examples of what true trolls are like.

Therefore, decent people can look at those like you two and be appreciative that they have lives and interests that aren't confined to seeing how immature (or sickeningly racist/bigoted/misogynistic in Baldwin's case)...they can be on a daily basis, on an anonymous website. :beer3:

So hold your head up and be proud, because after all being an example (albeit even a bad one)...is still at least being an example. :thumbup:

Nice try, but no dice. Look who's trolling and stalking. You. Go away, or............pull my finger again....

By the way, if you weren't so stupid, you would guess that all you have to do is an advance search with my ID and you will see plenty of posts.

[ColdNoMore]

Nice try, but no dice. Look who's trolling and stalking. You. Go away, or............pull my finger again....

By the way, if you weren't so stupid, you would guess that all you have to do is an advance search with my ID and you will see plenty of posts.

LOL :1rotfl:

Prove it....liar. ;)

Link to five posts you've made...that aren't the two threads you started. :popcorn:

[Buffalo Jim]

OK ladies...enough...take it to PM, nobody cares.


Being correct 100% of the time concerning any issue from politics to driving in the Left Hand Lane is a huge burden which the " Chosen Ones " must bear 24/7 and 365 days each year .

Even the highly gifted such as the person you are referring to is bound to get grumpy especially during the Holiday Season .

[MDLNB]

LOL :1rotfl:

Prove it....liar. ;)

Link to five posts you've made...that aren't the two threads you started. :popcorn:

Sorry, but I gave you an easy way to find ALL my comments on here and you refuse to do it. I really do not care about your stalking. Taunt away if you wish to troll. You are not now or ever have been discussing any of the issues. All you wish to do is play verbal assault and play with your little emoticons. Go for it.

[hypocritehunter]

A liberal site, but a quote is a quote. Be aware, this IS the game plan.

"
Price also noted that Republicans are eyeing using a tactic known as budget reconciliation to make the change. That process allows Republicans to pass bills with a simple majority in the U.S. Senate.

When asked by TPM about timing for changes to Medicare, Price said "I think that is probably in the second phase of reconciliation, which would have to be in the FY 18 budget resolution in the first 6-8 months."

Rep. Tom Price Reveals Republicans Eyeing Medicare Overhaul In 2017 (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/tom-price-reveals-republicans-eyeing-medicare-overhaul-in-2017)

So you think politifact is a liberal site? Wow, just because it has "fact" in the title don't let that scare you. :a20: Facts are a good thing. Well, at least they used to be.

[hypocritehunter]

You see, for me it is easy.

If all we do is bow to Trump, chastise Clinton and Obama then I am ok...I know that is a waste if time. So, my "superiority" complex as you see it comes from just simply wanting the wasted time on verbally abusing people who will not be involved in making decisions, and trying to make sense of why Trump continues to flat out lie in a daily basis. I assume he knows he won.

Where I can really "eat crow" is on discussion of issues because in that venue I am here to learn.

And, as a "compliment" I do understand your posts and your issue....spending beyond our means and for actuallly going at an issue I applaud you.

I do not respond because until we really know where spending might go, it is tough. Word is Trump wants over a trillion in infrastructure, this morning Bib Woodward reported he had a conversation with Gen Flynn, we can anticipate more military spending, etc etc. With tax cuts, even in wealthy in the horizon...well, there is a reason why I have been pushing discussion and understanding of Medicaire, Medicaid and maybe Social Security...it may be the only way to go.

So, I agree with Condi Rice, and if you or anyone wants me to "ear crow, talk issues and I will be asking questions.

And I stand by my comments about the so called "conservatives" on this forum. The one way street if bashing irrelevant people and ignoring the verbal head fakes we will actually play into the left leaning posters. So long we heard on here from Conservatives to Liberals...how long will you be blaming Bush.....they are going to get the same chance as we ignore what is happening and play this name calling game.

Wow, now that is a conservative guy/gal I would like to have a drink with and discuss issues honestly. Not a my team vs your team mentality. I consider myself a progressive but there areas I agree with conservatives on. :bigbow:

[ColdNoMore]

Sorry, but I gave you an easy way to find ALL my comments on here and you refuse to do it. I really do not care about your stalking. Taunt away if you wish to troll. You are not now or ever have been discussing any of the issues. All you wish to do is play verbal assault and play with your little emoticons. Go for it.

Troll. :wave:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

What was the topic if this thread again?

[hypocritehunter]

Sorry, but I gave you an easy way to find ALL my comments on here and you refuse to do it. I really do not care about your stalking. Taunt away if you wish to troll. You are not now or ever have been discussing any of the issues. All you wish to do is play verbal assault and play with your little emoticons. Go for it.

Sounds like this person is challenging your manhood. Man up Nancy. Show us the links.