Why Progressives Are Attracted To Socialism

[rubicon]

Has it ever occurred to you why progressives are attracted to socialism?

Well it all started with those radicals of the 60-70's who grew up upper middle class. Now some ideas are so absurd only intellectuals are seduced by them.

Hence these same radicals marched in the streets rallying against the very capitalistic system that elevated them in our society. There is also an underlying second reason which I will get to momentarily.

However these same radicals migrated to our educational institutes corrupting each successive generation of kids inundating them with distorted views on capitalism, religion, etc

Enter the millennial and their love of socialism and their hero Bernie Sanders. Like their forefathers before them this newest generation coming of age and ready to vote witnessed the wonders of socialism right here in the good US of A.

Those radicals of 60-70's also entered government, increasing welfare benefits at an alarming rate, which now segues us to the second reason progressives are drawn to socialism.

Socialism eliminates the risk of failure and responsibility. Socialism as the 47% non-Romney voters explain provides security with crutches. Hence the fear of failing is eliminated in life and God is dead because all progressives need can be had nursing at the government's breast. And it all free! free! free! It works something like the island of fun in the Pinocchio story. You know kids turning into donkeys as they devoured cotton candy and lollipops

Is it any wonder America's kids today are offended easily as defined by trigger warnings, micrco agressions cultural misappropriations and seeking safe spaces.

Is it any wonder why they broke down when an enterprising capitalist won the election . God forbid they have to go out and work for a living. I mean what if they fail at their job? And they recognize that in the corporate world you don't get a trophy just for showing up. Gosh, what's an enterprising socialist to do?

Personal Best Regards:

[MDLNB]

Has it ever occurred to you why progressives are attracted to socialism?

Well it all started with those radicals of the 60-70's who grew up upper middle class. Now some ideas are so absurd only intellectuals are seduced by them.

Hence these same radicals marched in the streets rallying against the very capitalistic system that elevated them in our society. There is also an underlying second reason which I will get to momentarily.

However these same radicals migrated to our educational institutes corrupting each successive generation of kids inundating them with distorted views on capitalism, religion, etc

Enter the millennial and their love of socialism and their hero Bernie Sanders. Like their forefathers before them this newest generation coming of age and ready to vote witnessed the wonders of socialism right here in the good US of A.

Those radicals of 60-70's also entered government, increasing welfare benefits at an alarming rate, which now segues us to the second reason progressives are drawn to socialism.

Socialism eliminates the risk of failure and responsibility. Socialism as the 47% non-Romney voters explain provides security with crutches. Hence the fear of failing is eliminated in life and God is dead because all progressives need can be had nursing at the government's breast. And it all free! free! free! It works something like the island of fun in the Pinocchio story. You know kids turning into donkeys as they devoured cotton candy and lollipops

Is it any wonder America's kids today are offended easily as defined by trigger warnings, micrco agressions cultural misappropriations and seeking safe spaces.

Is it any wonder why they broke down when an enterprising capitalist won the election . God forbid they have to go out and work for a living. I mean what if they fail at their job? And they recognize that in the corporate world you don't get a trophy just for showing up. Gosh, what's an enterprising socialist to do?

Personal Best Regards:

Interesting and accurate. :thumbup:

[Abby10]

Has it ever occurred to you why progressives are attracted to socialism?

Well it all started with those radicals of the 60-70's who grew up upper middle class. Now some ideas are so absurd only intellectuals are seduced by them.

Hence these same radicals marched in the streets rallying against the very capitalistic system that elevated them in our society. There is also an underlying second reason which I will get to momentarily.

However these same radicals migrated to our educational institutes corrupting each successive generation of kids inundating them with distorted views on capitalism, religion, etc

Enter the millennial and their love of socialism and their hero Bernie Sanders. Like their forefathers before them this newest generation coming of age and ready to vote witnessed the wonders of socialism right here in the good US of A.

Those radicals of 60-70's also entered government, increasing welfare benefits at an alarming rate, which now segues us to the second reason progressives are drawn to socialism.

Socialism eliminates the risk of failure and responsibility. Socialism as the 47% non-Romney voters explain provides security with crutches. Hence the fear of failing is eliminated in life and God is dead because all progressives need can be had nursing at the government's breast. And it all free! free! free! It works something like the island of fun in the Pinocchio story. You know kids turning into donkeys as they devoured cotton candy and lollipops

Is it any wonder America's kids today are offended easily as defined by trigger warnings, micrco agressions cultural misappropriations and seeking safe spaces.

Is it any wonder why they broke down when an enterprising capitalist won the election . God forbid they have to go out and work for a living. I mean what if they fail at their job? And they recognize that in the corporate world you don't get a trophy just for showing up. Gosh, what's an enterprising socialist to do?

Personal Best Regards:

Before even reading your entire post, I first pondered the question you asked, and my thoughts went directly to the simple answer, "because it's easy". I then read your response and see that we agree. I appreciate your effort to put more thought and words to answering it than mine though. Would be interested in hearing any opposing thoughts with as much in-depth explanation.

[janmcn]

Explains exactly why republicans are so hell bent on getting rid of the single-payer socialized medicine, commonly known as Medicare. They've been trying to do this for over 50 years and finally have the stooge in the White House who will sign their bill into law.

[MDLNB]

Explains exactly why republicans are so hell bent on getting rid of the single-payer socialized medicine, commonly known as Medicare. They've been trying to do this for over 50 years and finally have the stooge in the White House who will sign their bill into law.

There are no Republicans attempting to ditch YOUR socialized Medicare program, so don't have a coronary. That is just a liberal, left wing talking point to get ignorant/stupid guppies to follow the liberal, do noting politicians so that the can make more money off of you while doing nothing more than campaigning.

Wow, some of you libtards have no self-respect, or self-reliance.

But, Medicare really is cr@p.

[dirtbanker]

Explains exactly why republicans are so hell bent on getting rid of the single-payer socialized medicine, commonly known as Medicare. They've been trying to do this for over 50 years and finally have the stooge in the White House who will sign their bill into law.

Hey Jan - Is this the first time Republicans have had control of congress and the president in 50 years??

I would not worrty so much about medicare; how do you feel SS is going to survive with the weak necked Millennials that do not want to work (would rather go to school for ever) and will make little, if any, contribution?

The majority of these weak neck useless generation wear neck cushions in cars and planes...they can't even hold their own head up for a couple hours...who is going to pay the taxes???

[dirtbanker]

Somebody help me out...which one of the liberals on here has the pecker puffer son they asked us to make fun of?
I am curious if he had to choose between gay right initiatives or supporting the helpless, which would be more important to him?

[MDLNB]

Hey Jan - Is this the first time Republicans have had control of congress and the president in 50 years??

I would not worrty so much about medicare; how do you feel SS is going to survive with the weak necked Millennials that do not want to work (would rather go to school for ever) and will make little, if any, contribution?

The majority of these weak neck useless generation wear neck cushions in cars and planes...they can't even hold their own head up for a couple hours...who is going to pay the taxes???

It might help if they would quit giving SS to those that did not contribute to it. That would make it go a bit further.

[autumnspring]

Has it ever occurred to you why progressives are attracted to socialism?

Well it all started with those radicals of the 60-70's who grew up upper middle class. Now some ideas are so absurd only intellectuals are seduced by them.

Hence these same radicals marched in the streets rallying against the very capitalistic system that elevated them in our society. There is also an underlying second reason which I will get to momentarily.

However these same radicals migrated to our educational institutes corrupting each successive generation of kids inundating them with distorted views on capitalism, religion, etc

Enter the millennial and their love of socialism and their hero Bernie Sanders. Like their forefathers before them this newest generation coming of age and ready to vote witnessed the wonders of socialism right here in the good US of A.

Those radicals of 60-70's also entered government, increasing welfare benefits at an alarming rate, which now segues us to the second reason progressives are drawn to socialism.

Socialism eliminates the risk of failure and responsibility. Socialism as the 47% non-Romney voters explain provides security with crutches. Hence the fear of failing is eliminated in life and God is dead because all progressives need can be had nursing at the government's breast. And it all free! free! free! It works something like the island of fun in the Pinocchio story. You know kids turning into donkeys as they devoured cotton candy and lollipops

Is it any wonder America's kids today are offended easily as defined by trigger warnings, micrco agressions cultural misappropriations and seeking safe spaces.

Is it any wonder why they broke down when an enterprising capitalist won the election . God forbid they have to go out and work for a living. I mean what if they fail at their job? And they recognize that in the corporate world you don't get a trophy just for showing up. Gosh, what's an enterprising socialist to do?

Personal Best Regards:

In the 1960's you received a draft deferment for becoming a TEACHER. The number of male teachers exploded.

The students, were exposed to far too many teachers that became teachers to avoid the draft.

[rubicon]

Interesting and accurate. :thumbup:

Have you noticed the deafening silence from progressives on this topic . and wasn't it predictable that they would reach for the medicare social security gambit. the only reference to entitlement to either of these programs applies to greedy politicians who can't keep their hands off retirees monies

Trump connected with many in the black community with his honest assessment of how progressives failed them. it is one reason why Hillary could not garner the votes that Obama had in 200-2012. And I seriously doubt if Obama could run in 2016 he would have garner as many black votes as he did in previous years because false Democrat promises caught up with them.

My hope is that as people we move away from collective thinking and return to individual -independent thinkers.

Trump has his problems to be sure. However in addition to Democrat resistance he has to deal with some Republican recalcitrants which is going to make his job that much harder.
I don't mind and even agree that Republican need to challenge him. I just wish they stop playing to the crowd to garner voters.
Hope Trump is successful with his plans to introduce a plan for term limits not only for congress but also the Supreme Court.

Personal Best Regards:

[autumnspring]

There are no Republicans attempting to ditch YOUR socialized Medicare program, so don't have a coronary. That is just a liberal, left wing talking point to get ignorant/stupid guppies to follow the liberal, do noting politicians so that the can make more money off of you while doing nothing more than campaigning.

Wow, some of you libtards have no self-respect, or self-reliance.

But, Medicare really is cr@p.

When, the Clintons brought up a national health care insurance plan. I had a German friend and customer and I asked about hwo national healthcare works in Germany.

Short summary-He told me that people who can afford to do so buy private healthcare TO GET BETTER CARE. Under our LIBERAL PROGRESSIVE SYSTEM-you cannot buy better care. I pay almost twice minimum and am not eligible for inflation protection because I do not have a pension and am living on PERSONAL SAVINGS.

At the time, they had come up with meds that would keep a patient with aids alive cost was over 200,000 a year.
I asked my German friend if there was some sort of cap where the state stops paying. His reply was that, you know our history-GERMANY WILL NOT EUTHANIZE ANYONE.
According to my friend there are wards of people who are brain dead and are kept alive by machines at government cost.

MY VIEW-WHILE WE HAVE NO CHOICE-WHEN, YOU DO NOT PAY FOR IT YOU LOOSE CONTROL OF YOUR MEDICAL CARE. THAT IS A HIGH PRICE TO PAY.

Better solution. ????????? Perhaps, FEES for service should be CLEAR AND POSTED. Perhaps, success rates should be public record. ASIDE: publishing success rates can backfire. Doctors would avoid patients with a higher risk profile.

[rubicon]

In the 1960's you received a draft deferment for becoming a TEACHER. The number of male teachers exploded.

The students, were exposed to far too many teachers that became teachers to avoid the draft.

I happen to agree . There were a number of draft dodgers, Bill Clinton among them. On the other hand there were guys like my cousin Tommy who served 4 years in the Air Force was discharged and re-up'd in the Army and did two tours of duty Viet Nam

I personally believe the nation made a mistake by moving from the draft to an all volunteer military. I wish it were reinstated but with less room for exceptions to equalize that the draft apply fairly across all socio-economic lines. I say this because too many young people have no skin in the game and hence seem almost oblivious to the nature and dangers of a failed foreign policy. I also say so because a volunteer military could well become cost prohibited. and as we are witnessing now criteria for selection continues to be lowered. I also say so because as many of us learned the military experience coming right out of high school was indeed helpful.

Personal Best Regards:

[Sandtrap328]

I happen to agree . There were a number of draft dodgers, Bill Clinton among them. On the other hand there were guys like my cousin Tommy who served 4 years in the Air Force was discharged and re-up'd in the Army and did two tours of duty Viet Nam

I personally believe the nation made a mistake by moving from the draft to an all volunteer military. I wish it were reinstated but with less room for exceptions to equalize that the draft apply fairly across all socio-economic lines. I say this because too many young people have no skin in the game and hence seem almost oblivious to the nature and dangers of a failed foreign policy. I also say so because a volunteer military could well become cost prohibited. and as we are witnessing now criteria for selection continues to be lowered. I also say so because as many of us learned the military experience coming right out of high school was indeed helpful.

Personal Best Regards:

Your cousin sounds like a stand-up guy. How about yourself? Did you enlist or get drafted? How about your kids? Did they enlist? How about Trump or his kids?

Yes, I enlisted and served my 3 years.

[janmcn]

Have you noticed the deafening silence from progressives on this topic . and wasn't it predictable that they would reach for the medicare social security gambit. the only reference to entitlement to either of these programs applies to greedy politicians who can't keep their hands off retirees monies

Trump connected with many in the black community with his honest assessment of how progressives failed them. it is one reason why Hillary could not garner the votes that Obama had in 200-2012. And I seriously doubt if Obama could run in 2016 he would have garner as many black votes as he did in previous years because false Democrat promises caught up with them.

My hope is that as people we move away from collective thinking and return to individual -independent thinkers.

Trump has his problems to be sure. However in addition to Democrat resistance he has to deal with some Republican recalcitrants which is going to make his job that much harder.
I don't mind and even agree that Republican need to challenge him. I just wish they stop playing to the crowd to garner voters.
Hope Trump is successful with his plans to introduce a plan for term limits not only for congress but also the Supreme Court.

Personal Best Regards:


Ha ha ha, do you and Trump think that congress is ever going to vote in term limits and put themselves out of work?

[janmcn]

Your cousin sounds like a stand-up guy. How about yourself? Did you enlist or get drafted? How about your kids? Did they enlist? How about Trump or his kids?

Yes, I enlisted and served my 3 years.



Trump got six deferments because of bone spurs in his foot. Now he can't remember which foot it was. He equates his time spent in military school to actually serving in the military. Don Jr and Eric have never served.

[AJ32162]

Trump got six deferments because of bone spurs in his foot. Now he can't remember which foot it was. He equates his time spent in military school to actually serving in the military. Don Jr and Eric have never served.

Janmcn, what branch of the military did you serve in?

[ColdNoMore]

LOL.... :1rotfl:

That broad brush and ignorance...are on full display today. :thumbup:

[dirtbanker]

Your cousin sounds like a stand-up guy. How about yourself? Did you enlist or get drafted? How about your kids? Did they enlist? How about Trump or his kids?

Yes, I enlisted and served my 3 years.
I thought they served 4 years...

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[dirtbanker]

Trump got six deferments because of bone spurs in his foot. Now he can't remember which foot it was. He equates his time spent in military school to actually serving in the military. Don Jr and Eric have never served.
You are aware there is no draft anymore, right...or are you suggesting any able bodied man that does not serve is a pu$$y?

Of course your not, that would be sexist of you...

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[dirtbanker]

Janmcn, what branch of the military did you serve in?
I am guessing peace corps!
LOL.... :1rotfl:

That broad brush and ignorance...are on full display today. [emoji106]


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[Sandtrap328]

I thought they served 4 years...

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You thought who served 4 years in the military? None of the Trump family was in the military.

Waiting to hear from Rubicon since he brought up military service.

How about some of the others on Political Forum - Don Baldwin, MDLBQ, Buffalo Jim? Military service? How long and when?

[dirtbanker]

You thought who served 4 years in the military? None of the Trump family was in the military.

Waiting to hear from Rubicon since he brought up military service.

How about some of the others on Political Forum - Don Baldwin, MDLBQ, Buffalo Jim? Military service? How long and when?
Oh you were in the peace corps too, cool. Did you visit far lands and help hungry people build $hit? Is your real name Tom Tuttle from Tacoma Washington???

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[Chi-Town]

You thought who served 4 years in the military? None of the Trump family was in the military.

Waiting to hear from Rubicon since he brought up military service.

How about some of the others on Political Forum - Don Baldwin, MDLBQ, Buffalo Jim? Military service? How long and when?
I don't know about the others but I think MD was a mercenary.

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[dirtbanker]

It seems you guys got a bromance going on

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[dirtbanker]

Sort of like Blake and Adam on The Voice LOL

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[Cedwards38]

You mean socialism where the public joins together with public tax dollars and creates parts of our society like:

(1) State and federal highway system
(2) The United States Armed Forces
(3) Medicare
(4) Social Security
(5) Sheriff's and Police Department
(6) Local Fire Department and Emergency Services
(7) Public libraries
(8) US Postal Service
(9) Bridges construction
(10) Public landfills
(11) Garbage collection
(12) Fighting of wars
(13) Student loans and grants
(14) Farm subsidies
(15) Corporate bailouts for those too big to fail
(16) Museums
(17) Public schools
(18) Jails and prisons
(19) Veterans health care
(20) Sewers
(21) The Court System
(22) The G. I. Bill
(23) Dams and rural electrical service
(24) Public beaches and golf courses
(25) The FDA
(26) Public transportation
(27) PBS
(28) The Center for Disease Control and Prevention
(29) Street lighting
(30) FEMA
(31) NPR
(32) Public defenders
(33) Homeland Security and TSA
(34) Air Traffic Control System
(35) The White House and all state and federal agencies

to name just a few that I would prefer to have remain in the government control of a socialist system rather than be run by a private, for profit, entity. Call me a Progressive, but that's the way I want it to stay. How about you?

What do conservatives want, oligarchic fascism? I sincerely doubt it.

75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/3/29/1078852/-75-Ways-Socialism-Has-Improved-America)

[dirtbanker]

Yeah half that $hit is on my property tax bill, what does that have to do with the federal government

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[Sandtrap328]

Oh you were in the peace corps too, cool. Did you visit far lands and help hungry people build $hit? Is your real name Tom Tuttle from Tacoma Washington???

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No, I was in the US Army. Served from 1966-69. Vietnam vet.

How about all of you Regressives?

[rubicon]

Your cousin sounds like a stand-up guy. How about yourself? Did you enlist or get drafted? How about your kids? Did they enlist? How about Trump or his kids?

Yes, I enlisted and served my 3 years.

yes, I did and at the age of 17 and it was one of the smartest move I ever made in my life. I served and I served proudly.. Thank you and yes Tommy was a stand up guy

Personal Best Regards:

[ColdNoMore]

You mean socialism where the public joins together with public tax dollars and creates parts of our society like:

(1) State and federal highway system
(2) The United States Armed Forces
(3) Medicare
(4) Social Security
(5) Sheriff's and Police Department
(6) Local Fire Department and Emergency Services
(7) Public libraries
(8) US Postal Service
(9) Bridges construction
(10) Public landfills
(11) Garbage collection
(12) Fighting of wars
(13) Student loans and grants
(14) Farm subsidies
(15) Corporate bailouts for those too big to fail
(16) Museums
(17) Public schools
(18) Jails and prisons
(19) Veterans health care
(20) Sewers
(21) The Court System
(22) The G. I. Bill
(23) Dams and rural electrical service
(24) Public beaches and golf courses
(25) The FDA
(26) Public transportation
(27) PBS
(28) The Center for Disease Control and Prevention
(29) Street lighting
(30) FEMA
(31) NPR
(32) Public defenders
(33) Homeland Security and TSA
(34) Air Traffic Control System
(35) The White House and all state and federal agencies

to name just a few that I would prefer to have remain in the government control of a socialist system rather than be run by a private, for profit, entity. Call me a Progressive, but that's the way I want it to stay. How about you?

What do conservatives want, oligarchic fascism? I sincerely doubt it.

75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/3/29/1078852/-75-Ways-Socialism-Has-Improved-America)

Excellent post, that will be quickly dismissed by Regressives.


They aren't even smart enough to know, that calling someone 'progressive'...is a huge compliment.

Given that this country became great because of 'progress/progressive thinking'...it's unfathomable why they take such delight in being known as 'regressive.' :ohdear:

[rubicon]

You thought who served 4 years in the military? None of the Trump family was in the military.

Waiting to hear from Rubicon since he brought up military service.

How about some of the others on Political Forum - Don Baldwin, MDLBQ, Buffalo Jim? Military service? How long and when?

Yep rubicon joined the military at the age of 17 and served for four years.

Personal Best Regards:

[dirtbanker]

No, I was in the US Army. Served from 1966-69. Vietnam vet.

How about all of you Regressives?
Thank you for your service Sandy. I don't consider myself a regressive but I did register for the draft when I turned 18 and never got called

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[Don Baldwin]

Excellent post, that will be quickly dismissed by Regressives.


They aren't even smart enough to know, that calling someone 'progressive'...is a huge compliment.

Given that this country became great because of 'progress/progressive thinking'...it's unfathomable why they take such delight in being known as 'regressive.' :ohdear:

You've CHANGED the definition of "progressive" it USED to mean...progress...making something better.

Now...it just means diversity...making things worse.

Just like you changed the definition of marriage, equality, and "normal" to name a few.

[rubicon]

Thank you for your service Sandy. I don't consider myself a regressive but I did register for the draft when I turned 18 and never got called

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Was having breakfast outside with a couple on veteran's day when a woman passed our table and asked if any of us had been in the military. The question sort of surprised me but after a pause I said yes I had been in the military. she then replied "well thank you for your service" A thoughtful gesture indeed.

Personal Best Regards:

[MDLNB]

Janmcn, what branch of the military did you serve in?


Jan and CNM were with Kerry and Fonda throwing some Vet's (not Kerry's) medals over the fence of the White House. That was the extent of their sacrifice and patriotic service.

Real patriots

[Cedwards38]

Yeah half that $hit is on my property tax bill, what does that have to do with the federal government

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Yeah, it's all on your local, state, or federal tax bill because it's part of public services, that you use, provided by socialism. And the question was not about the federal government, but about socialism.

[janmcn]

Hey Jan - Is this the first time Republicans have had control of congress and the president in 50 years??

I would not worrty so much about medicare; how do you feel SS is going to survive with the weak necked Millennials that do not want to work (would rather go to school for ever) and will make little, if any, contribution?

The majority of these weak neck useless generation wear neck cushions in cars and planes...they can't even hold their own head up for a couple hours...who is going to pay the taxes???



"Is this the first time Republicans have had control of congress and the presidency in 50 years?"

No but Nixon was too smart to end Medicare, Ford was smart enough, Reagan smart enough until he lost his mind, HW Bush smart enough and W Bush nobody told him to do it, enter Trump the stooge will sign anything put in front of him.

What do all of the above have in common? They all left office either in defeat or disgrace, except for Reagan who left not in his right mind.

[rubicon]

Washington has no stomach to deal with medicare or social security
But the news media know how to stir up voters

Personal Best Regards:

[janmcn]

Washington has no stomach to deal with medicare or social security
But the news media know how to stir up voters

Personal Best Regards:



Tell that to Speaker Paul Ryan who has made this his primary goal, something he has been so passionate about ever since losing the election in 2012.

[autumnspring]

Explains exactly why republicans are so hell bent on getting rid of the single-payer socialized medicine, commonly known as Medicare. They've been trying to do this for over 50 years and finally have the stooge in the White House who will sign their bill into law.

I do not see anyone but LIBERALS with the name calling,"stooge in the white house."
While people who earn a living or in case of the villages have earned a living surely, if they did some reading, did not vote for OBAMA yet, there were no protests. George Bush left office AND DID NOT BERATE OBAMA. So far we have seen SOROS paid for anti TRUMP protests. Obama is doing everything in his power to MESS UP OUR/MY COUNTRY. So far Obama has fanned sparks of RACE ISSUES into forest fires, he has made hard work and SUCCESS evil, he has made SAVING FOR RETIREMENT evil, he has made SELF RELIANCE evil, he has made the you o meeeeee gimmmmmmeeeeeeeee the view of far too many americans. Obama has bowed to MUSLIMS-the only president in history to so STOOP, Obama has shafted our ONLY ally in the middle east-ISRAEL. Obama has STICK HIS NOSE INTO BREXIT-England to the European that they demand their INDEPENDENCE, TRUMP won because his view AMERICA FIRST. oBAMA thinks we should pay for all the ills of the world while our country goes further and further into debt to pay for it

RE: PROFITS and Medicare.
Medicare DICTATES the price which is far below what a person without medicare and or medical insurance would pay. The patient has no reason to control costs

I HAVE NO QUESTION OUR SYSTEMS ARE BROKEN. FOR ME IT IS CLEAR THAT ALLOWING OUR COUNTRY TO BE CONTROLLED BY LIBERALS IS THE CAUSE.

CALL ME A RACIST, A NAZI, A XENOPHOBE
CALL ME SOMEONE WHO SIMPLY DOES NOT CARE WHAT YOU THINK.

[autumnspring]

Hey Jan - Is this the first time Republicans have had control of congress and the president in 50 years??

I would not worrty so much about medicare; how do you feel SS is going to survive with the weak necked Millennials that do not want to work (would rather go to school for ever) and will make little, if any, contribution?

The majority of these weak neck useless generation wear neck cushions in cars and planes...they can't even hold their own head up for a couple hours...who is going to pay the taxes???

When social security was launched there were, if, I recall what I had read, 11 people working to pay for each person retired. Today, it is 1 1/2. To make it even worse politicians on both sides added more benefits, to BUY VOTES, without adequate funding. Most recently Bush added prescription coverage followed by Obama adding OBAMACARE to the tab.

In case anyone has missed my previous posts- We have heard over and over again that Obama has added TEN TRILLION BUCKS to our national debt. FOR THE SHOCKING NEWS THAT THE LIBERAL CONTROLLED PRESS DOES NOT THINK YOU NEED TO KNOW. We hear over and over that China is our largest creditor. First of all that is not true, we owe slightly more to Japan then to China. THE SHOCK IS that together Japan and China hold 20% of our national debt. SOCIAL SECURITY HOLDS 42% OF THE NATIONAL DEBT. If, a company ran it's bookkeeping the way our country does, THEY WOULD BE SHUT DOWN.

[rubicon]

Tell that to Speaker Paul Ryan who has made this his primary goal, something he has been so passionate about ever since losing the election in 2012.

Ryan's is a long term transitional plan and if implemented might hit a portion of Gen X.

Personal Best Regards:

[dirtbanker]

"Is this the first time Republicans have had control of congress and the presidency in 50 years?"

No but Nixon was too smart to end Medicare, Ford was smart enough, Reagan smart enough until he lost his mind, HW Bush smart enough and W Bush nobody told him to do it, enter Trump the stooge will sign anything put in front of him.

What do all of the above have in common? They all left office either in defeat or disgrace, except for Reagan who left not in his right mind.
You seem to have a grudge against Republican presidents, that have not ended medicare...

There was 2 other questions that you did not even attempt to offer answer or opinion, maybe because they lacked an opportunity to pass judgment on a past Republican.



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[MDLNB]

To answer the subject question:

Progressives are attracted to socialism because the two words are synonymous. The left loves Ponzi schemes and believe that as long as they take care of today, someone else will deal with tomorrow. They still do not comprehend that once they spend all of someone elses money, socialism does not work. If socialism worked, then everyone would be equally wealthy forever. It is a left wing, liberal fantasy that fits perfectly with Obie's socialist Utopia. They still do not understand that the reason they have such a great lifestyle here in the U.S. is because of two ideas, trickle down and supply and demand. The more the rich make the better lifestyle the middle and lower class enjoy. That is fact that cannot be disputed, but can be proven. Take for example, the middle class in many other countries that enjoy socialism. Our lower class live as well as the middle class in other socialist countries. You cannot dispute that statement. I have lived much of my life overseas and have seen it personally. The reason the middle class is suffering right now is because of all the attempts by this administration to have the government interfere with private business and mandate everything other than themselves. That puts a governor on the economic engine, period.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

A quick study of basic economics will reveal that in a society such as ours, capitalism works best for most things. But, there are some things the need to be run on a socialist basis. Police and fire for example. I don't know that there is anything more socialist than the military. In fact I think that problems have been created when the military began to become less self sufficient and capitalist companies were hirer to perform certain functions. But that's another discussion entirely.

Although it was fought as a horrible socialist program, I think that social security has worked out pretty well. of course it, and it's sister program, Medicare would work a lot better if our politicians would stop "borrowing" from them. But again, another discussion.

I don't think that the argument should be socialism or capitalism as both need to exist in this country. The question needs to be where to apply each of these economic models.

Certainly the things I mentioned, police, fire, military have to be paid for and serve all of us. Do we want to extend to health care? Should we share equally in the food supply? Should we pool all of our money and have the government provide housing for all of us. That's what socialism truly is. It is a system where everyone contributes and shares equally.

It's pretty apparent that countries where socialism and communism were the norm are adding more and more capitalism into the mix and becoming better off because of it. China and Russia are the two most obvious examples. An example of a country that has tried to be strictly socialist is Cuba. Obviously that system doesn't work if it is the only way.

We have always had and will always need a mix of capitalism and socialism. The debate is over how much of each should be in the mix. What should the government do for us and what should be left to private industry?

[Don Baldwin]

A quick study of basic economics will reveal that in a society such as ours, capitalism works best for most things. But, there are some things the need to be run on a socialist basis. Police and fire for example. I don't know that there is anything more socialist than the military. In fact I think that problems have been created when the military began to become less self sufficient and capitalist companies were hirer to perform certain functions. But that's another discussion entirely.

Although it was fought as a horrible socialist program, I think that social security has worked out pretty well. of course it, and it's sister program, Medicare would work a lot better if our politicians would stop "borrowing" from them. But again, another discussion.

I don't think that the argument should be socialism or capitalism as both need to exist in this country. The question needs to be where to apply each of these economic models.

Certainly the things I mentioned, police, fire, military have to be paid for and serve all of us. Do we want to extend to health care? Should we share equally in the food supply? Should we pool all of our money and have the government provide housing for all of us. That's what socialism truly is. It is a system where everyone contributes and shares equally.

It's pretty apparent that countries where socialism and communism were the norm are adding more and more capitalism into the mix and becoming better off because of it. China and Russia are the two most obvious examples. An example of a country that has tried to be strictly socialist is Cuba. Obviously that system doesn't work if it is the only way.

We have always had and will always need a mix of capitalism and socialism. The debate is over how much of each should be in the mix. What should the government do for us and what should be left to private industry?

Why not pay for fire/police protection? Like you do homeowners or car insurance. This stops the majority from subsidizing the minority who have more fires and more crime. Most fires happen in the poorer parts of town, they should pay more. MOST police "protection" is needed in the poorer parts of town, they should pay more. Disagree?

"Privatizing", big business loves it...they make a ton of money doing what the soldiers USED to do. But...since the military is now more than half women and minorities...it has to be contracted out.

Socialism/communism works IF everyone contributes evenly...EQUALLY...but they DON'T. Never equally because they're incapable.

[MDLNB]

A quick study of basic economics will reveal that in a society such as ours, capitalism works best for most things. But, there are some things the need to be run on a socialist basis. Police and fire for example. I don't know that there is anything more socialist than the military. In fact I think that problems have been created when the military began to become less self sufficient and capitalist companies were hirer to perform certain functions. But that's another discussion entirely.

Although it was fought as a horrible socialist program, I think that social security has worked out pretty well. of course it, and it's sister program, Medicare would work a lot better if our politicians would stop "borrowing" from them. But again, another discussion.

I don't think that the argument should be socialism or capitalism as both need to exist in this country. The question needs to be where to apply each of these economic models.

Certainly the things I mentioned, police, fire, military have to be paid for and serve all of us. Do we want to extend to health care? Should we share equally in the food supply? Should we pool all of our money and have the government provide housing for all of us. That's what socialism truly is. It is a system where everyone contributes and shares equally.

It's pretty apparent that countries where socialism and communism were the norm are adding more and more capitalism into the mix and becoming better off because of it. China and Russia are the two most obvious examples. An example of a country that has tried to be strictly socialist is Cuba. Obviously that system doesn't work if it is the only way.

We have always had and will always need a mix of capitalism and socialism. The debate is over how much of each should be in the mix. What should the government do for us and what should be left to private industry?

The military is NOT socialist.
First off, if the military is socialist, then why does the left hate it so much?
Socialism involves wealth redistribution. What does the military have to do with that?
We pay taxes for gov employees. Is having a congressman that is paid by our taxes to vote for us, considered socialism?
Government exists to protect people and their property, from other people.
If the military was socialist, it would not be voluntary and EVERYONE would be required to contribute their service.

No, liberals attempt to use extremes and attempting to group the military, Fire Dept and the Police together as a form of socialism is ludicrous. It is an excuse to rationalize their short comings and failures, as well as wealth envy.

[janmcn]

Ryan's is a long term transitional plan and if implemented might hit a portion of Gen X.

Personal Best Regards:


ICYMI Trump's first cabinet pick was Rep Tom Price, MD (R-GA) who promised Medicare will be gone in six to eight months.

[MDLNB]

ICYMI Trump's first cabinet pick was Rep Tom Price, MD (R-GA) who promised Medicare will be gone in six to eight months.

Lie of the year by Democrats. Too bad, Jan

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwit27u_7qPRAhXBJCYKHRMgD0wQFggiMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.politifact.com%2Fpunditfact%2 Fstatements%2F2016%2Fdec%2F07%2Fwinning-democrats%2Fno-trumps-health-secretary-pick-tom-price-doesnt-w%2F&usg=AFQjCNEYd6eJ2BL31sJhM7vdmrlnkrBFag

[janmcn]

ICYMI Trump's first cabinet pick was Rep Tom Price, MD (R-GA) who promised Medicare will be gone in six to eight months.

The Republican New Year’s Resolution: Destroy Medicare | The Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-republican-new-years-resolution-destroy-medicare_us_58658577e4b014e7c72ee032)

[Buffalo Jim]

The Huffington Post : FAKE NEWS ------- News for " The Chicken Little`s " of our society .

[MDLNB]

The Republican New Year’s Resolution: Destroy Medicare | The Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-republican-new-years-resolution-destroy-medicare_us_58658577e4b014e7c72ee032)

Like I said before, Lie of the Year. Huffington Post is a socialist/communist owned rag that spews opinion, commentaries and editorials. Try getting your information from AP and Reuters and it might be semi-factual.

Like I said, you get your information from someone's opinion.

WOW!

[Cedwards38]

Like I said before, Lie of the Year. Huffington Post is a socialist/communist owned rag that spews opinion, commentaries and editorials. Try getting your information from AP and Reuters and it might be semi-factual.

Like I said, you get your information from someone's opinion.

WOW!

Well, I'm glad at least that you didn't say FOX News!

[dirtbanker]

You seem to have a grudge against Republican presidents, that have not ended medicare...

There was 2 other questions that you did not even attempt to offer answer or opinion, maybe because they lacked an opportunity to pass judgment on a past Republican.

I guess my assumptions were right; ol Jan is just into critiquing past and future republican presidents that had control of congress and DID NOT END Medicare...:blahblahblah:

[Cedwards38]

The military is NOT socialist.
First off, if the military is socialist, then why does the left hate it so much?
Socialism involves wealth redistribution. What does the military have to do with that?
We pay taxes for gov employees. Is having a congressman that is paid by our taxes to vote for us, considered socialism?
Government exists to protect people and their property, from other people.
If the military was socialist, it would not be voluntary and EVERYONE would be required to contribute their service.

No, liberals attempt to use extremes and attempting to group the military, Fire Dept and the Police together as a form of socialism is ludicrous. It is an excuse to rationalize their short comings and failures, as well as wealth envy.

First of all, Progressives do not "hate" the military. That's a Republican myth that your party uses up to make conservatives sound like better Americans. Progressives support and honor the military just as much, if not more, than you. What Progressives do hate (and I suspect the military hates them too) are senseless wars, costing the lives of thousands of Americans and billions of tax dollars charged to the federal deficit to be paid by our children and grandchildren for generations because at the same time they adopted a tax cut that was implemented that primarily benefited the richest Americans under the lamebrain trickle down theory which hasn't worked since the Reagan years. That happened during the GW Bush administration.

Second, the term "wealth envy" is a euphemism for income inequality. Trickle down economics was correctly labeled by GHW Bush as voodoo economics, and he was right. It's like saying that if you have three dogs and give one a weeny thinking, "he'll share." Give that a try.

Third, "Socialism," as defined by Webster means"

"any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods and services"

We aren't talking about Marxism or Communism, but rather a system where the community joins together and provides services for the common good. And yes, paying our Congresspersons is socialism. Are you seriously going to attempt to argue that the military, police, fire departments, and Congress do not fall under that definition? Please don't. It just further destroys your credibility.

Now, I know Trumpies like to steer clear of things like truth and facts, but if you can stomach it, here are a few:

7 Charts Show What Free Market Economics Have Really Brought on America
| Mic (https://mic.com/articles/104612/7-charts-show-why-trickle-down-economics-has-been-an-enormous-failure#.P8v8FfQzg)

[MDLNB]

Well, I'm glad at least that you didn't say FOX News!

Actually, much of FOX NEWS comes from AP. Some of FOX NEWS comes from on the scene reporting. I believe you problem is the confusion many on the left have between the NEWS and the Commentary. And they are still the number one cable NEWS network.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Why not pay for fire/police protection? Like you do homeowners or car insurance. This stops the majority from subsidizing the minority who have more fires and more crime. Most fires happen in the poorer parts of town, they should pay more. MOST police "protection" is needed in the poorer parts of town, they should pay more. Disagree?

"Privatizing", big business loves it...they make a ton of money doing what the soldiers USED to do. But...since the military is now more than half women and minorities...it has to be contracted out.

Socialism/communism works IF everyone contributes evenly...EQUALLY...but they DON'T. Never equally because they're incapable.

No, socialism is not depended o everyone contributing equally. "From each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs." is the basic principal of socialism. That is exactly what government does. It provides services equally to everyone as needed and, in our system of taxation, it takes according to what one is able to pay.

We all pay taxes. Those of us that can afford more pay more, those who can't pay less or nothing. But services are equal to everyone. Like I said, necessary services such as police, fire, public schools and military, are available to all of us as we need them.

Although we are primarily a capitalist society we do have some areas that are socialist.

As far as I know this system has worked very well for necessary government services for a long time. The question is which services do we feel are important enough to put under this system.

I know that some people would move health care into a socialist system. To that I ask, if health care is that important, how about food? If health care should be socialized shouldn't food also be? Isn't food as important as health care? Should the government provide everyone with food? How about shelter? Should the government be responsible for making sure that we all have a place to live regardless of whether we can pay?

Going to a socialist system to provide everything is a slippery slope. Capitalism has shown to have worked better in most areas. The reason that we have a health care problem is that it is no longer a capitalist system. Health insurance is not insurance at all. Insurance is basically a wager between you and the insurance company. You buy car insurance the insurance company is betting that you don't have an accident. If you do, they lose.

We did have health insurance until about the 1960s. Today what we have is pooled payment. Everyone contributes and everything gets covered, even pre-existing conditions. Can you imagine getting into a car accident and then buying car insurance that pays to repair or replace your car?

When people bought their own health insurance or paid their doctor out of their own pockets, the prices had to remain at what the market would bear. A doctor couldn't charge outrageous amounts of money because he wouldn't have any patients. Once employers began including health insurance as a part of a compensation package, the free market began to break down. Prior to that people bought catastrophic coverage and paid for routine doctor visits out of their pockets. If something serious happened, the catastrophic coverage kicked in so no one went bankrupt.

Basically when the free market was taken away prices skyrocketed because people didn't care what the costs was. They weren't paying for it.

Several other factors such as HMOs came along and the problem kept getting worse and worse until we got to a point where some people felt that the government needed to fix the problem. Usually, with a few exceptions, when the government interferes with the free market, things don't go well.

[MDLNB]

First of all, Progressives do not "hate" the military. That's a Republican myth that your party uses up to make conservatives sound like better Americans. Progressives support and honor the military just as much, if not more, than you. What Progressives do hate (and I suspect the military hates them too) are senseless wars, costing the lives of thousands of Americans and billions of tax dollars charged to the federal deficit to be paid by our children and grandchildren for generations because at the same time they adopted a tax cut that was implemented that primarily benefited the richest Americans under the lamebrain trickle down theory which hasn't worked since the Reagan years. That happened during the GW Bush administration.

Second, the term "wealth envy" is a euphemism for income inequality. Trickle down economics was correctly labeled by GHW Bush as voodoo economics, and he was right. It's like saying that if you have three dogs and give one a weeny thinking, "he'll share." Give that a try.

Third, "Socialism," as defined by Webster means"

"any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods and services"

We aren't talking about Marxism or Communism, but rather a system where the community joins together and provides services for the common good. And yes, paying our Congresspersons is socialism. Are you seriously going to attempt to argue that the military, police, fire departments, and Congress do not fall under that definition? Please don't. It just further destroys your credibility.

Now, I know Trumpies like to steer clear of things like truth and facts, but if you can stomach it, here are a few:

7 Charts Show What Free Market Economics Have Really Brought on America
| Mic (https://mic.com/articles/104612/7-charts-show-why-trickle-down-economics-has-been-an-enormous-failure#.P8v8FfQzg)

Your theories are skewed. At least what I said was true. Yours, not so much. Go ahead and listen to opinions, where I have seen the evidence and experienced it. You are wrong but think you are right. You live in a fantasy like that of Obama's socialist Utopia. It doesn't work anywhere. Never has.

You say you don't hate the military, and then the same time say that you don't believe the military should be used in war, that we spend too much for the military, etc. Very believable, for sure.
Socialism does not work. Some social programs limp along in a capitalistic society but socialism is a failure. It does not work.
You try to act like socialism is something else, other than what Democrats wish to change our country to. Heck, at least Bernie had the b@lls to admit it and embrace it. And half the Democrat voters embraced his socialism.
Say what you will but I have lived in socialist countries and I don't use theory like you do. I do not read commentaries on economics from liberal schooled economists. Theory and reality don't always correlate.
So, believe the way you wish but at least admit the truth, if not to everyone else, to yourself. Socialism is a failed system and capitalism is prosperous.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

First of all, Progressives do not "hate" the military. That's a Republican myth that your party uses up to make conservatives sound like better Americans. Progressives support and honor the military just as much, if not more, than you. What Progressives do hate (and I suspect the military hates them too) are senseless wars, costing the lives of thousands of Americans and billions of tax dollars charged to the federal deficit to be paid by our children and grandchildren for generations because at the same time they adopted a tax cut that was implemented that primarily benefited the richest Americans under the lamebrain trickle down theory which hasn't worked since the Reagan years. That happened during the GW Bush administration.

Second, the term "wealth envy" is a euphemism for income inequality. Trickle down economics was correctly labeled by GHW Bush as voodoo economics, and he was right. It's like saying that if you have three dogs and give one a weeny thinking, "he'll share." Give that a try.

Third, "Socialism," as defined by Webster means"

"any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods and services"

We aren't talking about Marxism or Communism, but rather a system where the community joins together and provides services for the common good. And yes, paying our Congresspersons is socialism. Are you seriously going to attempt to argue that the military, police, fire departments, and Congress do not fall under that definition? Please don't. It just further destroys your credibility.

Now, I know Trumpies like to steer clear of things like truth and facts, but if you can stomach it, here are a few:

7 Charts Show What Free Market Economics Have Really Brought on America
| Mic (https://mic.com/articles/104612/7-charts-show-why-trickle-down-economics-has-been-an-enormous-failure#.P8v8FfQzg)

Actually, I believe that this definition is closer to Marxism or communism than it is socialism. The basic difference is that in a communist system, the government owns the means of production and all of the property. There is not private property.

In a socialist system, individuals own the factories and businesses
but must contribute all or almost all of it's profits to the government which then distribute the money equally amongst the people.

In a communist system, everyone gets paid the same amount regardless of the work they do. In a socialist system people get paid according to the work they do and are allowed to keep some of their own money but the majority goes to the state.

"From each according to their abilities, to each according to their need."