Trump and Putin

[jebartle]

Does this love affair concern you????

[MDLNB]

Does this love affair concern you????

I will give your statement the same amount of credence as I do your Pizzagate.

[Rockyrd]

Does this love affair concern you????

Yes.

I realize those who post here and seemingly are captive to the extreme alt right theories, and dispute pretty much everything else, will dispute any feelings of concern.

I only know that ALL of my country's agencies charged with knowing about this stuff says the Russians hacked into and tried to influence our election.

They are also linked to hacking into a Vermont utility.

I only know that Russia has invaded countries and simply taken them over. I know that INTERNATIONAL sanctions were placed, because if this, and my country agreed to be a part if those sanctions.

I only know that my country' experts agree that only NATO has kept them from doing more.

I only know the President Elect if my country says he does not believe his countries agencies, and suggests we simply "move on".

I only know that the President Elect of my country has hinted he wants to consider strongly dropping those sanctions on Russia (I can only suppose with no consult or consideration of the EU or the other countries who objected to the invasion and joined the sanctions.) providing a financial boon to Russia.

I only know that the President electric of my country said while campaigning that he might consider stepping back from NATO (which most experts agree would be an open door for Russia)

I only know that Russia has never been a friend of my country.

I only know that Russia has been complicit in using chemicals in Syria.

I only know that Russia bombed with no empathy for civilians, bombed Aleppo and other towns killing many

I am not sure if the President Elect has any financial ties or indebtness in Russia, but his family has bragged over the years of billions of dollars invested in that country.

So.....YES..it concerns me

[Rockyrd]

I will give your statement the same amount of credence as I do your Pizzagate.

Pizzagate, was moved by the son of the White House advisor, AND his father right before being named the advisor to the President.

Pizzagate was pushed strongly by Breitbart, run by the President elects advisor.

[Taltarzac725]

Yes.

I realize those who post here and seemingly are captive to the extreme alt right theories, and dispute pretty much everything else, will dispute any feelings of concern.

I only know that ALL of my country's agencies charged with knowing about this stuff says the Russians hacked into and tried to influence our election.

They are also linked to hacking into a Vermont utility.

I only know that Russia has invaded countries and simply taken them over. I know that INTERNATIONAL sanctions were placed, because if this, and my country agreed to be a part if those sanctions.

I only know that my country' experts agree that only NATO has kept them from doing more.

I only know the President Elect if my country says he does not believe his countries agencies, and suggests we simply "move on".

I only know that the President Elect of my country has hinted he wants to consider strongly dropping those sanctions on Russia (I can only suppose with no consult or consideration of the EU or the other countries who objected to the invasion and joined the sanctions.) providing a financial boon to Russia.

I only know that the President electric of my country said while campaigning that he might consider stepping back from NATO (which most experts agree would be an open door for Russia)

I only know that Russia has never been a friend of my country.

I only know that Russia has been complicit in using chemicals in Syria.

I only know that Russia bombed with no empathy for civilians, bombed Aleppo and other towns killing many

I am not sure if the President Elect has any financial ties or indebtness in Russia, but his family has bragged over the years of billions of dollars invested in that country.

So.....YES..it concerns me

Of course, it bothers me. A great deal about Donald Trump is extremely disturbing. But liberals on TOTV often feel like a Boston Red Sox fan at a Yankees game when the Yankees have 80% or so of the seats. It is hard to get our voices heard over all the noise.

[Rockyrd]

Of course, it bothers me. A great deal about Donald Trump is extremely disturbing. But liberals on TOTV often feel like a Boston Red Sox fan at a Yankees game when the Yankees have 80% or so of the seats. It is hard to get our voices heard over all the noise.

To be straight...I am NOT a liberal nor a conservative in regards to this. I am an American.

[rubicon]

Wow given the animosity toward Trump coming from Obama and his band of merry men and women. and given the lame street media's penchant for fake news, hyperbole, misinformation, bias its difficult to ferret out anything from Washington and news.

It has been after a long attempt to deny the election results that Donald Trump did fairly win this election.

It also has been established that the CIA, FBI AND DOJ have lost all credibility these last few years.

It also has been established that Russia has been acting up for the entire 8 years of Obama presidency.

Now we find that Obama with his usual lead from behind philosophy decides at this particular juncture that something needs to be done with Russia.

So what does he do kicks Russian diplomats out the door( aka as the wet noodle treatment).

Isn't it interesting that following the failed attempts at blaming Russia for Hillary's loss Obama decides that Russia was responsible and sanctions are in order.

Of course all this lat minute power playing by Obama has nothing to do with frustrating and overwhelming the incoming Administration with several distraction hoping to postpone dealing with Obamacare and other Obama policies. As i said in a previous thread Obama is staying Washington to guard his legacy and needs to be close at hand with in person and daily contact with allies.

No we come to Trump. There are a number of rules to follow when negotiating and one is never to let the other side lose face until or unless it gains you advantage. Another rule, like poker guard against "tells". Another always leave lines of communication open. Just because Trump is playing nice doesn't mean anything. But Trumps detractors are very emotional and reactionary people

Personal Best Regards:



and what does Putin okey dokey I'll just stay put

[ColdNoMore]

To be straight...I am NOT a liberal nor a conservative in regards to this. I am an American.

Exactly.

Those who slough off Putin's hold on Trump and can't or refuse to see it...are either clueless or traitors.

For the sake of our great nation, hopefully it is the former...and they are just so blindly partisan as to be ignorant.

[janmcn]

Exactly.

Those who slough off Putin's hold on Trump and can't or refuse to see it...are either clueless or traitors.

For the sake of our great nation, hopefully it is the former...and they are just so blindly partisan as to be ignorant.


Trump has graciously accepted an invitation by the intel community to get briefed on the Russian hacking investigation next week. Here to for, he seems to be just relying on his instincts.

As a side note, Trump snuck off to play golf today without his protective press pool, after promising never to do that again. They only found out he was awol when the golfers in Jupiter sent photos of him golfing.

[Villagesperson]

"A senior U.S. intelligence official assured NBC News that cybersecurity and the Russian government's attempts to interfere in the 2016 election have been briefed to, and discussed extensively with, both parties' candidates, surrogates and leadership, since mid-August. "To profess not to know at this point is willful misrepresentation," said the official. "The intelligence community has walked a very thin line in not taking sides, but both candidates have all the information they need to be crystal clear."

Trump Told Russia To Blame for Hacks Long Before Debate - NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-was-told-russia-was-blame-hacks-long-debate-n663686)

[Rockyrd]

But, as Rubicon tells us...


It also has been established that the CIA, FBI AND DOJ have lost all credibility these last few years.

So, it would appear, since EVERY agency agrees, our country will simply rely on the "gut instinct" of our President Elect.

Since, he has been briefed; knows ALL of his countries intelligence beings totally agree that Russia hacked, knows their history, he will decide who is telling the truth. Neither he or Putin has ANY history of lying.

[Paper1]

I know a number of my fellow Villagers believe Trump is brilliant but I do not share that view. He is reasonably intelligent and knows how to make money in our system but with world affairs I do not think he is close to a match for Putin.

[Rockyrd]

No need to get up.....we know...USA security sucks. "It also has been established that the CIA, FBI AND DOJ have lost all credibility these last few years." It certainly was caused by the Clinton's, enabled by Obama, and we should simply "move and n".

USA security, intelligence, news media = BAD

Trump, Russia, Breitbart = GOOD

I am sure this malware was an error...all nice guys in Russia. It is just bad judgement by the entire world community. Russia is so misunderstood.



"BURLINGTON, Vt. – Malware code linked to Russian hackers and found on a Vermont electric utility's computer is further evidence of "predatory" steps taken by that country against the U.S., a Vermont Democratic congressman said Saturday.

The Burlington Electric Department confirmed Friday it had found on one of its laptops the malware code used in Grizzly Steppe, the name Homeland Security has applied to a Russian campaign linked to recent hacks. The company said U.S. utilities were alerted by the Department of Homeland Security on Thursday of the code.

"This attack shows how rampant Russian hacking is. It's systemic, relentless, predatory," Rep. Peter Welch said in a statement. "They will hack everywhere, even Vermont, in pursuit of opportunities to disrupt our country."


Russia-linked malware found on US electric company's laptop | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/12/31/russia-linked-malware-found-on-us-electric-companys-laptop.html)

[Rockyrd]

I know a number of my fellow Villagers believe Trump is brilliant but I do not share that view. He is reasonably intelligent and knows how to make money in our system but with world affairs I do not think he is close to a match for Putin.

Especially when the USA security forces and intelligence agency are so bad.

We have nothing in this country at all.

It appears that we are going to rely on simply the advice of Flynn and Bannon.

They are right on things..they were the folks who discovered "pizzagate" for gosh sakes, but I understand that headline on Breitbart and the tweets from Flynn speaking of this fantasy, were just them following the MSM using fake news. Despite it never making it to main media except for covering these two speaking if it, those darn media guys.....

[rubicon]

No need to get up.....we know...USA security sucks. "It also has been established that the CIA, FBI AND DOJ have lost all credibility these last few years." It certainly was caused by the Clinton's, enabled by Obama, and we should simply "move and n".

USA security, intelligence, news media = BAD

Trump, Russia, Breitbart = GOOD

I am sure this malware was an error...all nice guys in Russia. It is just bad judgement by the entire world community. Russia is so misunderstood.



"BURLINGTON, Vt. – Malware code linked to Russian hackers and found on a Vermont electric utility's computer is further evidence of "predatory" steps taken by that country against the U.S., a Vermont Democratic congressman said Saturday.

The Burlington Electric Department confirmed Friday it had found on one of its laptops the malware code used in Grizzly Steppe, the name Homeland Security has applied to a Russian campaign linked to recent hacks. The company said U.S. utilities were alerted by the Department of Homeland Security on Thursday of the code.

"This attack shows how rampant Russian hacking is. It's systemic, relentless, predatory," Rep. Peter Welch said in a statement. "They will hack everywhere, even Vermont, in pursuit of opportunities to disrupt our country."


Russia-linked malware found on US electric company's laptop | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/12/31/russia-linked-malware-found-on-us-electric-companys-laptop.html)

Dear Guest: I am not arguing that Putin hasn't been making inroads into our government via cyber attacks nor that he hacked the DNC, attempted to hack the RNC and just about every government agency in this nation.

What I am arguing is that Obama, CIA< FBI< DOJ have been focused on partisan politics and not the security of this nation. I am arguing that Obama is obsessed about his legacy falling apart starting on Jan 20. I am arguing that Obama sat back for 8 years and let Russia walk all over him. I am arguing that what motivated Obama to level sanctions against Russia was not their hacking per se but rather his motivation as an attempt to boost credibility to his canard that Russia's hacking caused Hillary to lose the election

By the way Russia cyber abilities have been second rate for a long time. Suddenly they have achieved competency

Do you suppose the celebrated whistle blower idolized in the Oliver Stone movie has anything to do with Russia's ability to penetrate our cyber securities systems . Edward Snowden traitorous act has given both Russia and China a gateway to this nations secrets and if he returns he ought to be tried as a traitor and if found guilty sent to Gitmo

Personal Best Regards:

[Taltarzac725]

"A senior U.S. intelligence official assured NBC News that cybersecurity and the Russian government's attempts to interfere in the 2016 election have been briefed to, and discussed extensively with, both parties' candidates, surrogates and leadership, since mid-August. "To profess not to know at this point is willful misrepresentation," said the official. "The intelligence community has walked a very thin line in not taking sides, but both candidates have all the information they need to be crystal clear."

Trump Told Russia To Blame for Hacks Long Before Debate - NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-was-told-russia-was-blame-hacks-long-debate-n663686)

People know that Trump lies extremely often. They just do not seem to care.

[Rockyrd]

Dear Guest: I am not arguing that Putin hasn't been making inroads into our government via cyber attacks nor that he hacked the DNC, attempted to hack the RNC and just about every government agency in this nation.

What I am arguing is that Obama, CIA< FBI< DOJ have been focused on partisan politics and not the security of this nation. I am arguing that Obama is obsessed about his legacy falling apart starting on Jan 20. I am arguing that Obama sat back for 8 years and let Russia walk all over him. I am arguing that what motivated Obama to level sanctions against Russia was not their hacking per se but rather his motivation as an attempt to boost credibility to his canard that Russia's hacking caused Hillary to lose the election

By the way Russia cyber abilities have been second rate for a long time. Suddenly they have achieved competency

Do you suppose the celebrated whistle blower idolized in the Oliver Stone movie has anything to do with Russia's ability to penetrate our cyber securities systems . Edward Snowden traitorous act has given both Russia and China a gateway to this nations secrets and if he returns he ought to be tried as a traitor and if found guilty sent to Gitmo

Personal Best Regards:

Okay...

You seem to be more concerned about an outgoing president and a failed candidate. You denigrate our national intelligence agencies.

The question was the relationship our incoming President has with Russia, and you made it all politics.

I am an American and as I responded I am concerned.

You imply by mentioning fake news, the ineptness of our country's agencies, that as Trump says, he does not believe it. Of course you saying about not believing our country's agencies does not bother me, but our incoming President is a different story.

You cannot discuss this subject without mentioning whether Trump won or not. He won..not the point. Never was. This is not political yet, that seems to be your thrust.

As to the timing you also mentioned in your first post...I wonder what the reaction would have been if Obama had done anything right before the election...outrage I suspect.

You, and your ilk make every conversation involving these rethinks about Obama and Clinton.

I fault Obama for many things, but this might be the first time in history we have 2 working "presidents". As you clearly stated, as has Trump, you are not confident about our own country...Putin, being smart plays the game and plays to Trump.

People on this forum keep talking about ...gee, he is not even president yet...then why the hell doesn't he shut up and support his country. Breitbart featured 7 things they complain Obama is doing to Trump...all of them get featured on this forum, almost word for word.

This is how you began your response on this thread "Wow given the animosity toward Trump coming from Obama and his band of merry men and women. and given the lame street media's penchant for fake news, hyperbole, misinformation, bias its difficult to ferret out anything from Washington and news."

What does that mean other than you are simply casting doubt on anything Russia did....the "lame" street media has never been guilty of fake news....this happened.

Again, responding to the OP, I stand behind my concern. Russia is a thug country, and considered as such by the world. Because Trump likes them, you guys on here find it difficult to tell it like it is. Let's do what your idol Trump said...come together as a country. Thus far, he and you folks on here simply cheer for Russia, degrade all our institutions, including the press...rising the National Enquirer into normal news......not much of pulling people together...I think for Trump he finds it impossible UNLESS it is ALL about and only him

Sorry for going on, but simply tired of every thread being turned into a vas Obama, bash Clinton affair(Clinton bashing at this point makes no logical sense). It is tough to talk about real concerns because you guys will turn it so you can attack anyone but Trump..who has become our co President.

If you respond, you will simply continue the same dialogue...all American institutions are bad, because strictly of Obama, and although Clinton is nothing at all, you will stick her in somewhere.
If Trump Foundation, which is a total fraud comes up, you people twist it to Clinton. You are truely amazing, and have become hard core extremist flying the alt right flag.

I am probably the dumb guy, but I concur with the OP...I AM greatly concerned about Trump and Putin, made worse because I believe n my heart he owes millions, maybe billions to that country and its banks

[Rockyrd]

People know that Trump lies extremely often. They just do not seem to care.

No they do not care. This forum has become strictly a bash Obama, and for no reason any longer bash Clinton fest.

Trumps lies etc just go completely un responded to. It stuns me that lying is terrible if you have a certain alpha n your voter registration, but compulsive habitual lying and deceiving is acceptable if they have another alpha on that card.

Recall the outcry for press conferences ? Yeah, nothing now ..fact our not President yet , yesterday mocked networks and said the ONLY network that "gets it" relative to Russia is Fox.

[ColdNoMore]

People know that Trump lies extremely often. They just do not seem to care.

And that is it in a nutshell. :ohdear:

[rubicon]

Okay...

You seem to be more concerned about an outgoing president and a failed candidate. You denigrate our national intelligence agencies.

The question was the relationship our incoming President has with Russia, and you made it all politics.

I am an American and as I responded I am concerned.

You imply by mentioning fake news, the ineptness of our country's agencies, that as Trump says, he does not believe it. Of course you saying about not believing our country's agencies does not bother me, but our incoming President is a different story.

You cannot discuss this subject without mentioning whether Trump won or not. He won..not the point. Never was. This is not political yet, that seems to be your thrust.

As to the timing you also mentioned in your first post...I wonder what the reaction would have been if Obama had done anything right before the election...outrage I suspect.

You, and your ilk make every conversation involving these rethinks about Obama and Clinton.

I fault Obama for many things, but this might be the first time in history we have 2 working "presidents". As you clearly stated, as has Trump, you are not confident about our own country...Putin, being smart plays the game and plays to Trump.

People on this forum keep talking about ...gee, he is not even president yet...then why the hell doesn't he shut up and support his country. Breitbart featured 7 things they complain Obama is doing to Trump...all of them get featured on this forum, almost word for word.

This is how you began your response on this thread "Wow given the animosity toward Trump coming from Obama and his band of merry men and women. and given the lame street media's penchant for fake news, hyperbole, misinformation, bias its difficult to ferret out anything from Washington and news."

What does that mean other than you are simply casting doubt on anything Russia did....the "lame" street media has never been guilty of fake news....this happened.

Again, responding to the OP, I stand behind my concern. Russia is a thug country, and considered as such by the world. Because Trump likes them, you guys on here find it difficult to tell it like it is. Let's do what your idol Trump said...come together as a country. Thus far, he and you folks on here simply cheer for Russia, degrade all our institutions, including the press...rising the National Enquirer into normal news......not much of pulling people together...I think for Trump he finds it impossible UNLESS it is ALL about and only him

Sorry for going on, but simply tired of every thread being turned into a vas Obama, bash Clinton affair(Clinton bashing at this point makes no logical sense). It is tough to talk about real concerns because you guys will turn it so you can attack anyone but Trump..who has become our co President.

If you respond, you will simply continue the same dialogue...all American institutions are bad, because strictly of Obama, and although Clinton is nothing at all, you will stick her in somewhere.
If Trump Foundation, which is a total fraud comes up, you people twist it to Clinton. You are truely amazing, and have become hard core extremist flying the alt right flag.

I am probably the dumb guy, but I concur with the OP...I AM greatly concerned about Trump and Putin, made worse because I believe n my heart he owes millions, maybe billions to that country and its banks

Dear Guest: I take it that you don't agree with my assessment:D

I am concerned about an outgoing president who is not living up to the tradition and respect of passing the baton to the next administration. Clinton people acted childish and created mayhem when they left. George W response was to stay quiet and make the transition seamless and never spoke a word against Obama even when Obama was dragging his name through the mud. Now we are witnessing the emperor's temper and nastiness in demeaning the president-elect to delegitimatize him, pushing through much regulations which he knows is going to be repealed and intentionally provoking Israel and moving on Russia now when he sat back for 8 years and did nothing. all to shore up his failed legacy.

You seem to fault me for the lack of credibility of DOJ< FBI< CIA< IRS, etc but you fail to mention that it has been their partisan actions that have created this mess, not me.

As an American you should have been very concerned about the state of this nation under the stewardship of Obama

For the last 8 years all conservatives heard was Obama got elected live with it.

Ever since the election results progressives have been shouting from the roof tops the election was rigged. and so conservatives respond with but Trump got elected even after the recounts you demanded and progressives vicious attacks on members of the Electoral college and so with the intent of moving on conservative simply remind progressives that Trump won live with it

Truly I had to think about Obama and Clinton during the election but believed once Trump won I would not have to think upon them no more. but they continue to demand attention

the latest progressive canard is that there is only one president implying that Trump is already asserting his authority as if he was pushing Obama out of his chair. But the truth is if Obama had any class and really cared about this nation he would be spending his last days working with Trump for an uneventful transition of power but instead he forces Trump's hand with his childish mayhem

Obama, his Administration and agency heads played and continue to play partisan politics. Given that scenario how does one such as me not respond with a political tone.

I am as concerned and I love my nation as much as I suspect you do that I believe we do have in common.

Personal Best Regards:

[ColdNoMore]

Trump has graciously accepted an invitation by the intel community to get briefed on the Russian hacking investigation next week. Here to for, he seems to be just relying on his instincts.
This nutcase is so narcissistic, that he actually believes that he knows more about everything...than even the experts in the field. :oops:

It was embarrassing enough that he says he "knows more about ISIS than even the generals...trust me" and his worshipers actually bought it...but it's going to get a LOT worse.

Trump says he doesn'''t trust computers as he rings in 2017 (https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-sends-wishes-even-many-enemies-142118738--election.html)

First he says... Trump rarely uses email or computers despite his frequent tweeting.

"You know, if you have something really important, write it out and have it delivered by courier, the old-fashioned way. Because I'll tell you what: No computer is safe," Trump told reporters during his annual New Year's Eve bash. "I don't care what they say."

Then he states... "I know a lot about hacking. And hacking is a very hard thing to prove, so it could be somebody else," he said.

He added, cryptically, that he also knows "things that other people don't know. And so they cannot be sure of the situation."

The underlined statement is probably a courier message from Putin that told Trump he isn't behind the hacking... and Trump should just "trust him."

I mean for cripes sake, are people really so stupid as to refuse to see how Putin is playing Trump as a fool?

Trump's inability to tell the truth, admit that he doesn't know something and constant narcissism was simply humorous when he was a private citizen, but he is now the leader of the greatest nation on earth and yet his cult followers...refuse to acknowledge what is going on.

I am continually amazed at the excuses from the Trump cultists, on his bizarre and woefully inappropriate actions...and their acceptance of such.

THAT is the scariest part of this whole charade. :(


As a side note, Trump snuck off to play golf today without his protective press pool, after promising never to do that again. They only found out he was awol when the golfers in Jupiter sent photos of him golfing.
While I understand the need and precedence of having a press pool with a POTUS, I personally don't have a big issue with him going off and playing golf before he's actually President.

I will have a problem however, when it's found out that he's doing it so as to hide his overseas business dealings (mostly with Russia) in private.

By courier of course. :ohdear:

[ColdNoMore]

<snip.....but instead he forces Trump's hand with his childish mayhem....snip>
Are you fvcking serious? :oops:

You think sanctions toward a nation (especially Russia) that has been caught meddling in this nations election...as just "childish mayhem?"







I am as concerned and I love my nation as much as I suspect you do that I believe we do have in common.


Your statement above about "childish mayhem"... proves you are lying again.

You are more concerned with protecting this man-child elect...than protecting this great country.

You have lost the right to call yourself...a 'Patriotic American.'


Simply unbelievable. :oops:

[MDLNB]

I know a number of my fellow Villagers believe Trump is brilliant but I do not share that view. He is reasonably intelligent and knows how to make money in our system but with world affairs I do not think he is close to a match for Putin.

Trump is surrounding himself with professionals/experts like Reagan did. Most powerful and efficient leaders use that technique. Too bad Obie didn't think like that. His ego was too big to take advice from anyone,other than his puppet master, Soros.

[graciegirl]

Does this love affair concern you????

I would rather get along. I grew up in fear of Russia. Now they are doin' things a little differently. We will see.

I like Israel too.

I don't hate and love who Obama directs me to.

[ColdNoMore]

I would rather get along. I grew up in fear of Russia. Now they are doin' things a little differently. We will see.


No, you just give a pass to Putin, who is known for murdering journalists with radiation poison...because your cult hero says he is an OK guy. :oops:

You (like so many others) have lost your right...to call yourself a 'Patriotic American.'

How does it feel to now be a....Communist Supporter? :ohdear:

[MDLNB]

No, you just give a pass to Putin, who is known for murdering journalists with radiation poison...because your cult hero says he is an OK guy. :oops:

You (like so many others) have lost your right...to call yourself a 'Patriotic American.'

How does it feel to now be a....Communist Supporter? :ohdear:

Tell us again, what makes you a patriot?

I contributed to the Salvation Army just before Christmas, outside of the Walmart. :ohdear:

[ColdNoMore]

I believe anything Trump says and since he thinks Putin is a hell of a guy...so do I.

In fact, too bad Putin can't run for POTUS, because as a good little cultist...I would vote for him in a heartbeat.

:wave:

[hypocritehunter]

Dear Guest: I am not arguing that Putin hasn't been making inroads into our government via cyber attacks nor that he hacked the DNC, attempted to hack the RNC and just about every government agency in this nation.

What I am arguing is that Obama, CIA< FBI< DOJ have been focused on partisan politics and not the security of this nation. I am arguing that Obama is obsessed about his legacy falling apart starting on Jan 20. I am arguing that Obama sat back for 8 years and let Russia walk all over him. I am arguing that what motivated Obama to level sanctions against Russia was not their hacking per se but rather his motivation as an attempt to boost credibility to his canard that Russia's hacking caused Hillary to lose the election

By the way Russia cyber abilities have been second rate for a long time. Suddenly they have achieved competency

Do you suppose the celebrated whistle blower idolized in the Oliver Stone movie has anything to do with Russia's ability to penetrate our cyber securities systems . Edward Snowden traitorous act has given both Russia and China a gateway to this nations secrets and if he returns he ought to be tried as a traitor and if found guilty sent to Gitmo

Personal Best Regards:

This post is not about President Obama, it's about Trump and Putin. Are you not concerned with Trump and his seeming lack of concern on the issue of Russia being involved in the election? Why do you think Trump is hesitant to blame Russia when EVERYONE else is stating otherwise? We all know the answer to that one but I'd love to hear it from you.

Happy New Year

[Rockyrd]

No problem.

Trump now says "I know things", and that we will know next weeks.....his words.

Same guy who has promised so much and just forgot about it...recall that upcoming press conference on his wife's status.

His irresponsibility is stunning.

Relax.....he knows things. If this was in a movie, you would doubt it.

"I know things"

[Rockyrd]

Dear Guest: I take it that you don't agree with my assessment:D

I am concerned about an outgoing president who is not living up to the tradition and respect of passing the baton to the next administration. Clinton people acted childish and created mayhem when they left. George W response was to stay quiet and make the transition seamless and never spoke a word against Obama even when Obama was dragging his name through the mud. Now we are witnessing the emperor's temper and nastiness in demeaning the president-elect to delegitimatize him, pushing through much regulations which he knows is going to be repealed and intentionally provoking Israel and moving on Russia now when he sat back for 8 years and did nothing. all to shore up his failed legacy.

You seem to fault me for the lack of credibility of DOJ< FBI< CIA< IRS, etc but you fail to mention that it has been their partisan actions that have created this mess, not me.

As an American you should have been very concerned about the state of this nation under the stewardship of Obama

For the last 8 years all conservatives heard was Obama got elected live with it.

Ever since the election results progressives have been shouting from the roof tops the election was rigged. and so conservatives respond with but Trump got elected even after the recounts you demanded and progressives vicious attacks on members of the Electoral college and so with the intent of moving on conservative simply remind progressives that Trump won live with it

Truly I had to think about Obama and Clinton during the election but believed once Trump won I would not have to think upon them no more. but they continue to demand attention

the latest progressive canard is that there is only one president implying that Trump is already asserting his authority as if he was pushing Obama out of his chair. But the truth is if Obama had any class and really cared about this nation he would be spending his last days working with Trump for an uneventful transition of power but instead he forces Trump's hand with his childish mayhem

Obama, his Administration and agency heads played and continue to play partisan politics. Given that scenario how does one such as me not respond with a political tone.

I am as concerned and I love my nation as much as I suspect you do that I believe we do have in common.

Personal Best Regards:

Like I said, I might be the dumb guy, but will say your pots have become very predictable.

Not much concern on your part EXCEPT for Obama and Clinton and not much else.

You have become adept I must say at insuring your post move entirely in one direction, no matter the subject.

While you express no concern, I still have concerns about this subject, if you recall what it was.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Does this love affair concern you????

It doesn't concern be because it doesn't exist. It's a myth created by the left based on twisting and taking out of context Donald Trump's words.

And would it be a bad thing if the US and Russia actually got along? You know we have been getting along pretty well until the last few years. Even Hillary did a better job than John Kerry did in this area.

[janmcn]

No, you just give a pass to Putin, who is known for murdering journalists with radiation poison...because your cult hero says he is an OK guy. :oops:

You (like so many others) have lost your right...to call yourself a 'Patriotic American.'

How does it feel to now be a....Communist Supporter? :ohdear:


As President Obama said in his last press conference regarding Putin "Ronald Reagan would roll over in his grave".

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

For those of you who believe that Russia has hacked into our cyber system and has infiltrated our country, why are you not happy to see the administration that has allowed this to happen on the way out?

Maybe, 20 days from now, we'll have a government that knows how to protect us.

Or is this somehow not the fault of this administration? Maybe the republicans are at fault.

What I know is that this kind of thing never happened under President Bush or President Clinton.

Say what you will about President Bush, but we had no more terrorist attacks under him after 9/11. We've had several under this president and now it may be that the Russians have hacked into our cyber system.

I think that President-Elect Trump is simply waiting to get into office to deal with this issue. He knows that there is nothing he can do now and commenting on it could make things worse. Once he is sworn in, he can begin to clean up the mess made by Obama, Kerry and company.

[janmcn]

For those of you who believe that Russia has hacked into our cyber system and has infiltrated our country, why are you happy to see the administration that has allowed this to happen on the way out?

Maybe, 20 days from now, we'll have a government that knows how to protect us.

Or is this somehow not the fault of this administration? Maybe the republicans are at fault.

What I know is that this kind of thing never happened under President Bush or President Clinton.

Say what you will about President Bush, but we had no more terrorist attacks under him after 9/11. We've had several under this president and now it may be that the Russians have hacked into our cyber system.

I think that President-Elect Trump is simply waiting to get into office to deal with this issue. He knows that there is nothing he can do now and commenting on it could make things worse. Once he is sworn in, he can begin to clean up the mess made by Obama, Kerry and company.



Here we go again. Do you not realize how stupid it is to say "we had no more terrorist attacks under Bush after 9/11"?

We had no more mass drownings, other than the 1800 during Katrina, during Bush's tenure.

We never invaded the wrong country again after Iraq.

[Don Baldwin]

Here we go again. Do you not realize how stupid it is to say "we had no more terrorist attacks under Bush after 9/11"?

We had no more mass drownings, other than the 1800 during Katrina, during Bush's tenure.

We never invaded the wrong country again after Iraq.

Women and minorities are equal, as long as you lower the standards enough.

Diversity is good, only for those receiving the quota.

[hypocritehunter]

For those of you who believe that Russia has hacked into our cyber system and has infiltrated our country, why are you happy to see the administration that has allowed this to happen on the way out?

Maybe, 20 days from now, we'll have a government that knows how to protect us.

Or is this somehow not the fault of this administration? Maybe the republicans are at fault.

What I know is that this kind of thing never happened under President Bush or President Clinton.

Say what you will about President Bush, but we had no more terrorist attacks under him after 9/11. We've had several under this president and now it may be that the Russians have hacked into our cyber system.

I think that President-Elect Trump is simply waiting to get into office to deal with this issue. He knows that there is nothing he can do now and commenting on it could make things worse. Once he is sworn in, he can begin to clean up the mess made by Obama, Kerry and company.

It's fun watching you Trump sheep try to justify his behavior. Wow, now you think Trump is simply waiting to be sworn in? Interesting how he doesn't seem to want to wait to weigh in on other issues. Why do you think he's doesn't want to condemn the man who put him in office (along with FBI director Comey)? Could it be Trump doesn't want a full and transparent investigation because it might find things he doesn't want us to know?

The real question is this: Why do YOU not want a full and transparent investigation?

[Don Baldwin]

It's fun watching you Trump sheep try to justify his behavior. Wow, now you think Trump is simply waiting to be sworn in? Interesting how he doesn't seem to want to wait to weigh in on other issues. Why do you think he's doesn't want to condemn the man who put him in office (along with FBI director Comey)? Could it be Trump doesn't want a full and transparent investigation because it might find things he doesn't want us to know?

The real question is this: Why do YOU not want a full and transparent investigation?

That's it...women are BANNED from anything that requires common sense and logic.

No more voting. No more positions of responsibility. You had your chance and you blew it Since the civil rights acts of the 60s that gave you equality...even propped you up above men with mandatory quotas...you've failed. We've gone from #1 to #25 with you as an "equal" partner. It's time to go back to what WORKS. White men, the men who BUILT western civilization, who BUILT America...time to put them back in charge.

[rubicon]

It's fun watching you Trump sheep try to justify his behavior. Wow, now you think Trump is simply waiting to be sworn in? Interesting how he doesn't seem to want to wait to weigh in on other issues. Why do you think he's doesn't want to condemn the man who put him in office (along with FBI director Comey)? Could it be Trump doesn't want a full and transparent investigation because it might find things he doesn't want us to know?

The real question is this: Why do YOU not want a full and transparent investigation?

Well progressive make up our minds because on the one hand you argue that it should be one president at a time and on the other that Trump should show his hand now when it comes to Putin.

Let's say that Putin did hack the DNC to interfere with our election process. It does not automatically mean Trump did anything. Trump could be a pedestrian who became a beneficiary without involvement because Putin did the deed not to reward Trump but to punish Obama and Clinton for their past sins against him.

Trump may not be many things but he is an aggressive independent minded thinker that always wants to be top dog. So believe what you will but his past history says he goes for the jugular when necessary.

Also ask yourself did you believe Putin's response to Obama feeble retaliation against him was smart or not? come on be honest. All Trump did is say to Putin well played. I have acknowledged the same to my opponents it doesn't mean anything other than that.

Personal Best Regards:

[janmcn]

It's fun watching you Trump sheep try to justify his behavior. Wow, now you think Trump is simply waiting to be sworn in? Interesting how he doesn't seem to want to wait to weigh in on other issues. Why do you think he's doesn't want to condemn the man who put him in office (along with FBI director Comey)? Could it be Trump doesn't want a full and transparent investigation because it might find things he doesn't want us to know?

The real question is this: Why do YOU not want a full and transparent investigation?



Now Trump is saying he knows things that no one else knows, apparently that includes the president.

Trump won't be making the decisions on whether to have a full and transparent investigation. That will be the republican led congress, starting Thursday when Senator McCain's Armed Services Committee has its first hearing.

[Rockyrd]

Well progressive make up our minds because on the one hand you argue that it should be one president at a time and on the other that Trump should show his hand now when it comes to Putin.

Let's say that Putin did hack the DNC to interfere with our election process. It does not automatically mean Trump did anything. Trump could be a pedestrian who became a beneficiary without involvement because Putin did the deed not to reward Trump but to punish Obama and Clinton for their past sins against him.

Trump may not be many things but he is an aggressive independent minded thinker that always wants to be top dog. So believe what you will but his past history says he goes for the jugular when necessary.

Also ask yourself did you believe Putin's response to Obama feeble retaliation against him was smart or not? come on be honest. All Trump did is say to Putin well played. I have acknowledged the same to my opponents it doesn't mean anything other than that.

Personal Best Regards:

1. I have heard not one person suggest an investigation prior to Trump taking office, thus not sure I understand your first comment.

Keep in mind that the only reason that this is such a public discussion at present is because of Trump daily saying he does not believe the election was hacked.

2. Despite your defense offered that Trump did nothing, I never heard any one say he did, so not sure what that defense is all about.

I assure you of two things.....

First.....you imply that only progressive want an investigation, and again after Jan 20.... I suggest that all Americans regardless of party or any affiliation would want an investigation, and especially since the only objector is our new President.

Secondly....whatever Trump was alluding to with his childish comment about "knowing things nobody else knows" you can rest assured that anything he is alluding to is for HIS benefit. Of that I am sure.

Most President elects would have supported our county's intelligence community publicly to make a stand, and then kept quiet. Making this a public twitter generated war of words is self serving, unnecessary, and has only a motive known to Trump..

Amazing how Trump interjects Trump into everything, and finds it challenging to support our country' s various agencies.

[janmcn]

1. I have heard not one person suggest an investigation prior to Trump taking office, thus not sure I understand your first comment.

Keep in mind that the only reason that this is such a public discussion at present is because of Trump daily saying he does not believe the election was hacked.

2. Despite your defense offered that Trump did nothing, I never heard any one say he did, so not sure what that defense is all about.

I assure you of two things.....

First.....you imply that only progressive want an investigation, and again after Jan 20.... I suggest that all Americans regardless of party or any affiliation would want an investigation, and especially since the only objector is our new President.

Secondly....whatever Trump was alluding to with his childish comment about "knowing things nobody else knows" you can rest assured that anything he is alluding to is for HIS benefit. Of that I am sure.

Most President elects would have supported our county's intelligence community publicly to make a stand, and then kept quiet. Making this a public twitter generated war of words is self serving, unnecessary, and has only a motive known to Trump..

Amazing how Trump interjects Trump into everything, and finds it challenging to support our country' s various agencies.



All these agencies that Trump has been denigrating will soon be his to run.

Wasn't it sometime in Oct that the CIA came out and said that they were 100% sure that the highest echelons of the Russian government were involved in this hacking? Then the FBI said the same thing awhile later.

[hypocritehunter]

No problem.

Trump now says "I know things", and that we will know next weeks.....his words.

Same guy who has promised so much and just forgot about it...recall that upcoming press conference on his wife's status.

His irresponsibility is stunning.

Relax.....he knows things. If this was in a movie, you would doubt it.

"I know things"

Reminds me of the time he said he had a crack research group in Hawaii looking of proof that Obama was a Kenyan. He said they found proof! Then............. still waiting.

What kind of moron would believe anything this clown says? Present company excluded of course. :pray:

[hypocritehunter]

That's it...women are BANNED from anything that requires common sense and logic.

No more voting. No more positions of responsibility. You had your chance and you blew it Since the civil rights acts of the 60s that gave you equality...even propped you up above men with mandatory quotas...you've failed. We've gone from #1 to #25 with you as an "equal" partner. It's time to go back to what WORKS. White men, the men who BUILT western civilization, who BUILT America...time to put them back in charge.

Man up Einstein and answer the question. Why don't you want a full and transparent investigation?

[hypocritehunter]

Well progressive make up our minds because on the one hand you argue that it should be one president at a time and on the other that Trump should show his hand now when it comes to Putin.

Let's say that Putin did hack the DNC to interfere with our election process. It does not automatically mean Trump did anything. Trump could be a pedestrian who became a beneficiary without involvement because Putin did the deed not to reward Trump but to punish Obama and Clinton for their past sins against him.

Trump may not be many things but he is an aggressive independent minded thinker that always wants to be top dog. So believe what you will but his past history says he goes for the jugular when necessary.

Also ask yourself did you believe Putin's response to Obama feeble retaliation against him was smart or not? come on be honest. All Trump did is say to Putin well played. I have acknowledged the same to my opponents it doesn't mean anything other than that.

Personal Best Regards:

There you go again, changing the subject. I just want a simple answer to the question; why do you NOT want a full and transparent investigation? I didn't say for sure Trump was involved. That's why we need an investigation. Seems like you should want to know as well unless............ you are afraid Trump was involved. Even if that's the case, I'm sure you and Trump will use the lame stream media excuse or democratic politics excuse. Don't worry, either way you'll have it covered.

[jebartle]

It doesn't concern be because it doesn't exist. It's a myth created by the left based on twisting and taking out of context Donald Trump's words.

And would it be a bad thing if the US and Russia actually got along? You know we have been getting along pretty well until the last few years. Even Hillary did a better job than John Kerry did in this area.

How do you take his words out of context, when it's coming out of HIS MOUTH! IN REALLY TIME. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE!

[janmcn]

There you go again, changing the subject. I just want a simple answer to the question; why do you NOT want a full and transparent investigation? I didn't say for sure Trump was involved. That's why we need an investigation. Seems like you should want to know as well unless............ you are afraid Trump was involved. Even if that's the case, I'm sure you and Trump will use the lame stream media excuse or democratic politics excuse. Don't worry, either way you'll have it covered.



There will be full and transparent investigations by congress starting this Thursday when Sen McCain holds the first hearing in the Armed Services Committee that he chairs, to be followed by at least four other committee hearings in the senate and several in the house.

No one should trust Donald Trump to conduct a hearing further than a crane could throw him.

He's always announcing something on Tues which never materializes. Reminds me of my sister's ex-husband who was always going to start a new job on Tuesday. Never happened. There's something about Tuesdays.

[rjm1cc]

Does this love affair concern you????

Are you saying it is easier to try and reconcile differences if both parties hate each other?

You should reserve your question for 2018.

[dave harris]

Does this love affair concern you????

birds of a feather.......

[dave harris]

Wow given the animosity toward Trump coming from Obama and his band of merry men and women. and given the lame street media's penchant for fake news, hyperbole, misinformation, bias its difficult to ferret out anything from Washington and news.

It has been after a long attempt to deny the election results that Donald Trump did fairly win this election.

It also has been established that the CIA, FBI AND DOJ have lost all credibility these last few years.

It also has been established that Russia has been acting up for the entire 8 years of Obama presidency.

Now we find that Obama with his usual lead from behind philosophy decides at this particular juncture that something needs to be done with Russia.

So what does he do kicks Russian diplomats out the door( aka as the wet noodle treatment).

Isn't it interesting that following the failed attempts at blaming Russia for Hillary's loss Obama decides that Russia was responsible and sanctions are in order.

Of course all this lat minute power playing by Obama has nothing to do with frustrating and overwhelming the incoming Administration with several distraction hoping to postpone dealing with Obamacare and other Obama policies. As i said in a previous thread Obama is staying Washington to guard his legacy and needs to be close at hand with in person and daily contact with allies.

No we come to Trump. There are a number of rules to follow when negotiating and one is never to let the other side lose face until or unless it gains you advantage. Another rule, like poker guard against "tells". Another always leave lines of communication open. Just because Trump is playing nice doesn't mean anything. But Trumps detractors are very emotional and reactionary people

Personal Best Regards:



and what does Putin okey dokey I'll just stay put

A perfect example of a repub who would vote for hitler if he were running on the repub ticket, to hell with America.

[ColdNoMore]

A perfect example of a repub who would vote for hitler if he were running on the repub ticket, to hell with America.

Yep...you nailed it! :thumbup:

[rubicon]

1. I have heard not one person suggest an investigation prior to Trump taking office, thus not sure I understand your first comment.

Keep in mind that the only reason that this is such a public discussion at present is because of Trump daily saying he does not believe the election was hacked.

2. Despite your defense offered that Trump did nothing, I never heard any one say he did, so not sure what that defense is all about.

I assure you of two things.....

First.....you imply that only progressive want an investigation, and again after Jan 20.... I suggest that all Americans regardless of party or any affiliation would want an investigation, and especially since the only objector is our new President.

Secondly....whatever Trump was alluding to with his childish comment about "knowing things nobody else knows" you can rest assured that anything he is alluding to is for HIS benefit. Of that I am sure.

Most President elects would have supported our county's intelligence community publicly to make a stand, and then kept quiet. Making this a public twitter generated war of words is self serving, unnecessary, and has only a motive known to Trump..

Amazing how Trump interjects Trump into everything, and finds it challenging to support our country' s various agencies.

Dear Guest:

As to my first comment progressive pundits keep implying that Trump wants to run the country now. hence their comment that we have one president at a time. so Trump gives them what they want and they make outrageous claims as to why Trump is not doing more.

As a red blooded American you bet I want an investigation of any potential transgression made by Russia. The problem I been having with the Obama Administration is that he has had the head of his agencies running involved in partisan politics rather than " doing the people's business" It is necessary to recite the failings of the IRS, DOJ< CIA and FBI. Their actions and not my words created their lack of credibility

You say suggest that we are having this public discussion because Trump keep saying he doesn't believe we were hacked. I suspect it is because when he claimed the election was rigged he was beat over the head on a continuum by the media. So Trump being Trump serves his opponents in kind

As to Trump himself the accusation leveled against him are not only false but some progressives have gone disgustingly low .

finally the real reason we are having this public discussion is because progressives can't let go of the fact that they lost this election and on all fronts.

Please give it a rest.

Personal Best Regards:

[rubicon]

A perfect example of a repub who would vote for hitler if he were running on the repub ticket, to hell with America.

:1rotfl: This coming from a progressive that voted not once but twice for a radical socialist, anti-Semite who has shown such a disdain for England and America's colonial past that his first official act as president was to return Winston Churchill's bust to England, followed by an international apology tour shortly after taking office

A president that was criticized for referring to our nation as having 57 states . Yet these same people missed the fact that 57 is the exact number of the Arab League.

Critics pounce on the fact that Trump won't release his taxes. Yet "the records" of both Obama's have been sealed for eight years

Personal Best Regards:

[ColdNoMore]

This coming from a progressive that voted not once but twice for a radical socialist, anti-Semite who has shown such a disdain for England and America's colonial past that his first official act as president was to return Winston Churchill's bust to England, followed by an international apology tour shortly after taking office

This is exactly why the more intelligent people here...don't believe a single thing you spew.

You'll spout anything off of the top of your head and expect everyone else to just believe you. :oops:


Fact-check: did Obama really remove a Churchill bust from the Oval Office? | US news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/22/barack-obama-winston-churchill-bust-oval-office-britain)

The bust in question, by British sculptor Jacob Epstein, was given to President George W Bush by the British government in 2001 and was placed in the Oval Office.

But the statue was not donated, it was simply on loan for Bush’s term in office (a loan which the British government decided to extend when Bush was re-elected in 2004). Churchill disappeared from the White House in 2009, when the loan ended at the same time that Obama moved in.

Boris Johnson is wrong to claim that the vanishing Churchill bust symbolizes Obama’s antipathy towards Britain – it was never Obama’s statue to give away.

.....the fact that there are two Churchill busts – the one on loan to Bush from 2001 to 2009, and a second bust which the White House has had since the 1960s and still has to this day....



Critics pounce on the fact that Trump won't release his taxes. Yet "the records" of both Obama's have been sealed for eight years

Personal Best Regards:

What "records" did Obama seal?

And no, I won't take your word for it.

Show the proof (a link from a legitimate news source and not your usual, plagiarized fake news cut/past job)...you lying, pseudo-intellectual fraud. :wave:

[Rockyrd]

Dear Guest:

As to my first comment progressive pundits keep implying that Trump wants to run the country now. hence their comment that we have one president at a time. so Trump gives them what they want and they make outrageous claims as to why Trump is not doing more.

As a red blooded American you bet I want an investigation of any potential transgression made by Russia. The problem I been having with the Obama Administration is that he has had the head of his agencies running involved in partisan politics rather than " doing the people's business" It is necessary to recite the failings of the IRS, DOJ< CIA and FBI. Their actions and not my words created their lack of credibility

You say suggest that we are having this public discussion because Trump keep saying he doesn't believe we were hacked. I suspect it is because when he claimed the election was rigged he was beat over the head on a continuum by the media. So Trump being Trump serves his opponents in kind

As to Trump himself the accusation leveled against him are not only false but some progressives have gone disgustingly low .

finally the real reason we are having this public discussion is because progressives can't let go of the fact that they lost this election and on all fronts.

Please give it a rest.

Personal Best Regards:

You have completely lost your mind.

Accusing a sitting president of using agencies for politics is serious. It has, for the most part already been investigated.

I really and honestly think that your thinking is damaged.

A compulsive liar his entire life gets your support. A man who, in the middle of a campaign, on a daily basis made unfounded and proven lies against American institutions and people....This is the kind of person you stand up beside and defend.

You have totally crossed the Rubicon, and lost touch with reality.

I sit and wonder why all your posts are the same..Trump is a good guy....Obama lies, Trump is honest....anytime Trump is criticized it is because Clinton lost, and finally...pick whatever American institution or agency and those who work there are just incompetent.

Sorry...but, you are gone

[rubicon]

This is exactly why the more intelligent people here...don't believe a single thing you spew.

You'll spout anything off of the top of your head and expect everyone else to just believe you. :oops:


[url=https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/22/barack-obama-winston-churchill-bust-oval-office-britain]Fact-check: did Obama really remove a Churchill bust from the Oval Office? | US news | The Guardian[/url

What "records" did Obama seal?

And no, I won't take your word for it.

Show the proof (a link from a legitimate news source and not your usual, plagiarized fake news cut/past job)...you lying, pseudo-intellectual fraud. :wave:

okey dokey

Personal Best Regards:

[rubicon]

[QUOTE=Guest]You have completely lost your mind.

Accusing a sitting president of using agencies for politics is serious. It has, for the most part already been investigated.

I really and honestly think that your thinking is damaged.

A compulsive liar his entire life gets your support. A man who, in the middle of a campaign, on a daily basis made unfounded and proven lies against American institutions and people....This is the kind of person you stand up beside and defend.

You have totally crossed the Rubicon, and lost touch with reality.

I sit and wonder why all your posts are the same..Trump is a good guy....Obama lies, Trump is honest....anytime Trump is criticized it is because Clinton lost, and finally...pick whatever American institution or agency and those who work there are just incompetent.

Sorry...but, you are gone[/QUOTE

So you believe there is no connection between Obama and the IRS
targeting of conservative groups seek non profit status? So you believe there was no connection between Obama and the DOJ visiting with Clinton on an out of the way tarmac.... so you believe there was no connection Obama and Comey's decision not to pursue Hillary nor DOJ to investigate for possible indictment. if there is no connection then Obama is seriously remiss as the commander and chief. if these agencies acted independently and Obama did not pursue these wrongs then he is in dereliction of duty. By remaining silent Obama communicates acceptance of this criminal behavior

Its important to be able to read between the lines make important connection seeing the forest for the trees. You must miss a lot in your life.

Personal Best Regards:

[Rockyrd]

:1rotfl: This coming from a progressive that voted not once but twice for a radical socialist, anti-Semite who has shown such a disdain for England and America's colonial past that his first official act as president was to return Winston Churchill's bust to England, followed by an international apology tour shortly after taking office

A president that was criticized for referring to our nation as having 57 states . Yet these same people missed the fact that 57 is the exact number of the Arab League.

Critics pounce on the fact that Trump won't release his taxes. Yet "the records" of both Obama's have been sealed for eight years

Personal Best Regards:

All you do is make accusations against groups of people...NEVER with accredition.

The Obama record seal thing was debunked years ago...where have you been. Thankfully, after Five years, your hero has dropped (sort of) the conspiracy theories on birth certificates.

Rubicon, seriously...you are actually and honestly terribky embarrassing. You have become the poster child for the extreme alt right conspiracy theorists. A real conservative believes in factual...factual discussion on issues, and intelligent discussion in issues.

You support a man who even you know is a compulsive and complete liar on everything. A man who has more skeletons in his closet than a haunted house. A man who has ZERO moral values, and his record of illicit, illegal behavior certainly manifests that. A man, who already, 3 weeks before being sworn in has turned his back on his followers. A man who has not made one single effort to bring this country together since the election. A man who defrauded millions from his so called foundation, and bold faced lied about it.

This is the values that YOU stand up for. It is this person you idolize, who you support, and agree with very word, including lies, that come out of his mouth. You have all this respect for a man, and my guess, when we find out what he has hidden, when we find out how he twists our constitution you will continue to do so.
He has manifested all of this just in the last two weeks (his foundation lies, his condemnation if American agencies and those who work hard for them, his embracing of an international thug and verbal agreement with this lecher if a person) and you come in here and make charges.

You cannot support this man and charge anyone with anything ever.

Your blind loyalty to such a morally bankrupt person, who has proven over his life to represent the worst of human behavior makes me think that those are the values you support. If this man has your blind devotion....to such a degree, you would bring to us debunked conspiracies about people he wants to destroy, and such distaste you express for American institutions, and accusations that no sane man would dare make with no accreditation then your moral compass, once respected, defended on here by Gracie, is totally and completely broken.

I say this because your posts make no sense, are illogical, and are definitely anti American. You should wrap yourself in the Breitbart logo, unfurl your National Enquirer, don a Trump wig, and simply March with pictures of Trump, Bannon, Putin, Flynn. At least it appears you do not have the stress of concern about the real world.

[Rockyrd]

[QUOTE=Guest]You have completely lost your mind.

Accusing a sitting president of using agencies for politics is serious. It has, for the most part already been investigated.

I really and honestly think that your thinking is damaged.

A compulsive liar his entire life gets your support. A man who, in the middle of a campaign, on a daily basis made unfounded and proven lies against American institutions and people....This is the kind of person you stand up beside and defend.

You have totally crossed the Rubicon, and lost touch with reality.

I sit and wonder why all your posts are the same..Trump is a good guy....Obama lies, Trump is honest....anytime Trump is criticized it is because Clinton lost, and finally...pick whatever American institution or agency and those who work there are just incompetent.

Sorry...but, you are gone[/QUOTE

So you believe there is no connection between Obama and the IRS
targeting of conservative groups seek non profit status? So you believe there was no connection between Obama and the DOJ visiting with Clinton on an out of the way tarmac.... so you believe there was no connection between Obama and Comey's decision not to pursue Hillary nor DOJ to investigate for possible indictment

Its important to be able to read between the lines make important connection seeing the forest for the trees. You must miss a lot in your life.

Personal Best Regards:

All your charges are based in your forever theory that YOU and YOU alone are 100% right. I know almost all of it has been investigated, ad naseum, at taxpayer expense. I know you know they happened, but as usual, everyone is wrong and you are right.

And I miss very little, however I do not, nor ever could make the pompous claims that you post constantly, NEVER with any back up...simply your statements.

Reading between the lines can be dangerous....you can miss the actual lines.

Your preaching and smugness about you are always right, and us schmicks who post and give back up for our information. Your using fake news for backup, your plagiarism combined with such self righteous attitude has really grown old. Try to back up your constant accusations with facts just try it.

Never saw a poster who supposedly knew so much, who loved his words ringing in the "space" on the net and whose words seldom make any sense. You simply avoid Trump and his mouth by making ridiculous accusations. You do know that some of us actually read, and to your accusation about me, some of us actually belong to discussion groups that would never tolerate someone simply making things up as you do...my life is based on facts...I am not a judge. My comments about you are all public knowledge thanks to this forum.

You can continue to make things up, you can continue to preach, you can continue to avoid making any attempt to validate your many many accusations, but your feeling of superiority is tiresome, and even you must realize, you post nonsense, not facts.

And if I seem angry tonight, I am. Not because I think I am right and you and Trump are always wrong...it is because I welcome intelligent, fact based conversation, and you are doing your best to insure you stay as far away from facts and intelligence as you can, BUT continue to preach to anyone reading here. You make accusations against good American institutions and good people, and totally avoid facts, not mine, but any.

[Rockyrd]

[QUOTE=Guest]okey dokey

Personal Best Regards





"Obama’s college records are not “sealed” by a court order, as this graphic would have you believe. It would be illegal under federal law (the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act of 1974) for Occidental, Columbia or Harvard Law School to give any former student’s records to reporters or members of the public without that person’s specific, written permission. Obama hasn’t released them, but neither have other presidential candidates released their college records. George W. Bush’s grades at Yale eventually became public, but only because somebody leaked them to the New Yorker magazine. Bush himself refused to release them, according to a 1999 profile in the Washington Post."

Obama's 'Sealed' Records - FactCheck.org (http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/)

[Rockyrd]

okey dokey

Personal Best Regards:

"This election year may well go down as the conspiracy-theory election, thanks to Donald Trump's ceaseless efforts to inject unsubstantiated plots into the American political debate."

Donald Trump's Conspiracy Theories About Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and JFK : NPR (http://www.npr.org/2016/05/24/479331275/a-guide-to-the-many-conspiracy-theories-donald-trump-has-embraced)

By the way, these sites offer real back up, real quotes...annoying factual stuff about this person.

[Rockyrd]

A few regular posters like these conspiracy theories, and since Alex Jones is one of Trumps favorites...here is one of his about Michele Obama...is this one referred to

"For many years now, Alex Jones has been theorizing how the First Lady is transgender or, in some rants, simply a man who’s clandestinely disguised as a woman because President Obama, Jones says, is a closeted gay man."

Okay to laugh..problem is these nut cases believe anything that destroys others ....lying is not a problem..

This guy is loved by Trump

No limits to Alex Jones’ hatred and insanity: The right-wing conspiracy psycho thinks Michelle Obama killed Joan Rivers - Salon.com (http://www.salon.com/2016/05/18/no_limits_to_alex_jones_hatred_and_insanity_the_ri ght_wing_conspiracy_psycho_thinks_michelle_obama_k illed_joan_rivers/)

[ColdNoMore]

okey dokey

Personal Best Regards:

I'm still waiting. :popcorn:

Rockyrd has two posts that absolutely nails you for the plagiarizing, lying, pseudo-intellectual who expects people to just believe you, without EVER providing links to legitimate sources...that you've proved to be. :ohdear:

The fact that you run from any real conversation or debate...says it all. :wave:

[ColdNoMore]

All your charges are based in your forever theory that YOU and YOU alone are 100% right. I know almost all of it has been investigated, ad naseum, at taxpayer expense. I know you know they happened, but as usual, everyone is wrong and you are right.

And I miss very little, however I do not, nor ever could make the pompous claims that you post constantly, NEVER with any back up...simply your statements.

Reading between the lines can be dangerous....you can miss the actual lines.

Your preaching and smugness about you are always right, and us schmicks who post and give back up for our information. Your using fake news for backup, your plagiarism combined with such self righteous attitude has really grown old. Try to back up your constant accusations with facts just try it.

Never saw a poster who supposedly knew so much, who loved his words ringing in the "space" on the net and whose words seldom make any sense. You simply avoid Trump and his mouth by making ridiculous accusations. You do know that some of us actually read, and to your accusation about me, some of us actually belong to discussion groups that would never tolerate someone simply making things up as you do...my life is based on facts...I am not a judge. My comments about you are all public knowledge thanks to this forum.

You can continue to make things up, you can continue to preach, you can continue to avoid making any attempt to validate your many many accusations, but your feeling of superiority is tiresome, and even you must realize, you post nonsense, not facts.

And if I seem angry tonight, I am. Not because I think I am right and you and Trump are always wrong...it is because I welcome intelligent, fact based conversation, and you are doing your best to insure you stay as far away from facts and intelligence as you can, BUT continue to preach to anyone reading here. You make accusations against good American institutions and good people, and totally avoid facts, not mine, but any.

I could not have said it better myself. :bigbow:


You've absolutely nailed him. :thumbup:

[rubicon]

I'm still waiting. :popcorn:

Rockyrd has two posts that absolutely nails you for the plagiarizing, lying, pseudo-intellectual who expects people to just believe you, without EVER providing links to legitimate sources...that you've proved to be. :ohdear:

The fact that you run from any real conversation or debate...says it all. :wave:

Dear Guest: It will take me just a few seconds to key board okey dokey to you again. However I feel badly for your spouse and Rockyrd's because they have to put up with you and your circular thinking 24/7. By the way I am not under any obligation to prove anything to you. You go play that game somewhere else. Poor spouses. Geeezzz

Personal Best Regards:

[MDLNB]

I'm still waiting. :popcorn:

Rockyrd has two posts that absolutely nails you for the plagiarizing, lying, pseudo-intellectual who expects people to just believe you, without EVER providing links to legitimate sources...that you've proved to be. :ohdear:

The fact that you run from any real conversation or debate...says it all. :wave:

What's your contribution to the subject? NOTHING!

[MDLNB]

Dear Guest: It will take me just a few seconds to key board okey dokey to you again. However I feel badly for your spouse and Rockyrd's because they have to put up with you and your circular thinking 24/7. By the way I am not under any obligation to prove anything to you. You go play that game somewhere else. Poor spouses. Geeezzz

Personal Best Regards:

:boom: Well played!

[Rockyrd]

Dear Guest: It will take me just a few seconds to key board okey dokey to you again. However I feel badly for your spouse and Rockyrd's because they have to put up with you and your circular thinking 24/7. By the way I am not under any obligation to prove anything to you. You go play that game somewhere else. Poor spouses. Geeezzz

Personal Best Regards:

Both wife and I are politically active.

Neither my wife nor I ever make unsubstantiated claims against any person, or organization.

OBVIOUSLY, you feel no obligation to prove anything, nor supply any substation. Your feelings toward this forum seems to be not discussion, not learning, simply to preach and expect blind belief in your accusations.

If by "game", you mean calling out lies, calling out accusations and requiring people who make accusations supply facts, I am sorry..you are stuck with because I am going nowhere. Seems you have the upper hand...all you need to do is tell the truth and not blindly make accusations and all is well.

And my wife wishes me to thank you for a morning chuckle before we leave the house.

I am convinced you have no idea how foolish you look, but that's ok...like you said, you have no obligation to prove anything, which sort of fits well with alt right movement.

We belong to a group who made exacTly that point just a few weeks ago....the alt right, conspiracy theorists feel no obligation to he truth.

[MDLNB]

Both wife and I are politically active.

Neither my wife nor I ever make unsubstantiated claims against any person, or organization.

OBVIOUSLY, you feel no obligation to prove anything, nor supply any substation. Your feelings toward this forum seems to be not discussion, not learning, simply to preach and expect blind belief in your accusations.

If by "game", you mean calling out lies, calling out accusations and requiring people who make accusations supply facts, I am sorry..you are stuck with because I am going nowhere. Seems you have the upper hand...all you need to do is tell the truth and not blindly make accusations and all is well.

And my wife wishes me to thank you for a morning chuckle before we leave the house.

I am convinced you have no idea how foolish you look, but that's ok...like you said, you have no obligation to prove anything, which sort of fits well with alt right movement.

We belong to a group who made exacTly that point just a few weeks ago....the alt right, conspiracy theorists feel no obligation to he truth.

You don't want to know the truth. Go play golf or something because after reading your tripe, you wasted everyone's time with your diatribe and personal agenda. I bet your spouse if bored with you also and that is why she enjoys reading these in the morning.
If you disagree with him, why not provide a substantive argument instead of criticizing him on a personal basis?

[ColdNoMore]

Dear Guest: It will take me just a few seconds to key board okey dokey to you again. However I feel badly for your spouse and Rockyrd's because they have to put up with you and your circular thinking 24/7. By the way I am not under any obligation to prove anything to you. You go play that game somewhere else. Poor spouses. Geeezzz

Personal Best Regards:

LOL

Still running away I see. ;)

It's a simple request, just prove your statement that Obama 'sealed' some sort of records about him.

Heck, for that matter...prove ANY statement you've ever made.

You won't, you can't and that's why you're held in contempt...by anyone of average intelligence.

And to try and misdirect for your abject failure...you attack spouses?

Yeah, that's the sign of a real man with ethics, integrity and honor....NOT. :ohdear:

Thanks for proving me correct...once again. :thumbup:

[Don Baldwin]

You don't want to know the truth. Go play golf or something because after reading your tripe, you wasted everyone's time with your diatribe and personal agenda. I bet your spouse if bored with you also and that is why she enjoys reading these in the morning.
If you disagree with him, why not provide a substantive argument instead of criticizing him on a personal basis?

Because they have NOTHING to support their side.

They attack the messenger.

[MDLNB]

LOL

Still running away I see. ;)

It's a simple request, just prove your statement that Obama 'sealed' some sort of records about him.

Heck, for that matter...prove ANY statement you've ever made.

You won't, you can't and that's why you're held in contempt...by anyone of average intelligence.

And to try and misdirect for your abject failure...you attack spouses?

Yeah, that's the sign of a real man with ethics, integrity and honor....NOT. :ohdear:

Thanks for proving me correct...once again. :thumbup:

The only ones that agree with you are your multiple personalities that reside "free" in your head. You are not even able to debate a subject, and never have. You say you disagree, but you do not give a reason, other than being an obnoxious bit#h. But, that is your right under freedom of speech..........I understand that your local safe room has a teddy bear reserved for you. :doggie:...oops, it must be a stuffed doggie.

[Rockyrd]

MDLNB... Don Baldwin

It is a bit humorous to see you asking for any kind of proof or justification. I cannot recall EVEN ONE post of yours with claims that also carried any validation at all.

To this thread......to EACH AND EVERY claim and accusation made by RUBICON, I have attached links to disprove his claims.

Of course when he attacks the agencies of the US Government, I have no links to prove him wrong, but obviously he knows more about governing this country than anyone or he would not be on a public forum taking all our intelligence agencies to task.

So I ask you, what claim have I made that I have not given credence to, and what claim has been made that I have not replied to with factual links ?

If you doubt in anyway, the claims made about our President elect, I think you have been asleep for years and years, but if you want, given some time, I will deluge these pages with videos and sound bites, news stories and un defended things which speak to his character...from his being the single largest ever defendant in a civil rights housing case right up to his recent lies and untruths on his foundation.

As far as getting a life....got 9 holes in this morning, and will be watching the games today with friends, Florida is one game with one group and as native Pennsylvanians will be watching the Rose Bowl with some Pennsylvanianss.

Again, it is ironic when you critiques anyone for "not debating" or not proving a point.......fact is.....do you now how to read, make a point in your own words, copy and paste a bit of some of your sources and then link everyone to that source ? I only ask, because I do not recall you ever doing that.

Fact is, I don't recall you doing any of those even one at a time.

Accusations especially against agencies of my country need to be justified and not simply because you dont like the outcome. Not that they cannot be wrong, but I suspect that they have many more resources than you two, and thus I will go with them until further notice.

The poster you called a bitch has posted many links to make a point on a number of occasions and thus your childish and immature sarcasm falls totally on deaf ears.

Perhaps if you read some of them, you might learn something.

[MDLNB]

MDLNB... Don Baldwin

It is a bit humorous to see you asking for any kind of proof or justification. I cannot recall EVEN ONE post of yours with claims that also carried any validation at all.

To this thread......to EACH AND EVERY claim and accusation made by RUBICON, I have attached links to disprove his claims.

Of course when he attacks the agencies of the US Government, I have no links to prove him wrong, but obviously he knows more about governing this country than anyone or he would not be on a public forum taking all our intelligence agencies to task.

So I ask you, what claim have I made that I have not given credence to, and what claim has been made that I have not replied to with factual links ?

If you doubt in anyway, the claims made about our President elect, I think you have been asleep for years and years, but if you want, given some time, I will deluge these pages with videos and sound bites, news stories and un defended things which speak to his character...from his being the single largest ever defendant in a civil rights housing case right up to his recent lies and untruths on his foundation.

As far as getting a life....got 9 holes in this morning, and will be watching the games today with friends, Florida is one game with one group and as native Pennsylvanians will be watching the Rose Bowl with some Pennsylvanianss.

Again, it is ironic when you critiques anyone for "not debating" or not proving a point.......fact is.....do you now how to read, make a point in your own words, copy and paste a bit of some of your sources and then link everyone to that source ? I only ask, because I do not recall you ever doing that.

Fact is, I don't recall you doing any of those even one at a time.

Accusations especially against agencies of my country need to be justified and not simply because you dont like the outcome. Not that they cannot be wrong, but I suspect that they have many more resources than you two, and thus I will go with them until further notice.

The poster you called a bitch has posted many links to make a point on a number of occasions and thus your childish and immature sarcasm falls totally on deaf ears.

Perhaps if you read some of them, you might learn something.

Wow, what fantasy! You must have done the mini-putt thing today, to get done so fast. I am very glad that you have some friends. Hope you don't bore them with that diatribe fantasy. But, have a great day watching the ball game. Both of my teams lost yesterday, so I'm out of it today.

You liberals sure do stick together. I gotta give you credit for that, even if you are wrong....:1rotfl:

[Don Baldwin]

MDLNB... Don Baldwin

It is a bit humorous to see you asking for any kind of proof or justification. I cannot recall EVEN ONE post of yours with claims that also carried any validation at all.

To this thread......to EACH AND EVERY claim and accusation made by RUBICON, I have attached links to disprove his claims.

Of course when he attacks the agencies of the US Government, I have no links to prove him wrong, but obviously he knows more about governing this country than anyone or he would not be on a public forum taking all our intelligence agencies to task.

So I ask you, what claim have I made that I have not given credence to, and what claim has been made that I have not replied to with factual links ?

If you doubt in anyway, the claims made about our President elect, I think you have been asleep for years and years, but if you want, given some time, I will deluge these pages with videos and sound bites, news stories and un defended things which speak to his character...from his being the single largest ever defendant in a civil rights housing case right up to his recent lies and untruths on his foundation.

As far as getting a life....got 9 holes in this morning, and will be watching the games today with friends, Florida is one game with one group and as native Pennsylvanians will be watching the Rose Bowl with some Pennsylvanianss.

Again, it is ironic when you critiques anyone for "not debating" or not proving a point.......fact is.....do you now how to read, make a point in your own words, copy and paste a bit of some of your sources and then link everyone to that source ? I only ask, because I do not recall you ever doing that.

Fact is, I don't recall you doing any of those even one at a time.

Accusations especially against agencies of my country need to be justified and not simply because you dont like the outcome. Not that they cannot be wrong, but I suspect that they have many more resources than you two, and thus I will go with them until further notice.

The poster you called a bitch has posted many links to make a point on a number of occasions and thus your childish and immature sarcasm falls totally on deaf ears.

Perhaps if you read some of them, you might learn something.

You're so full of sh!t that I can smell you from here.

You can't disprove me...nobody has...because FACTS that I have are indisputable.

There is NO "black villages".
There is NO "Top black school"
There is NO "black top neighborhood"
There is NO "black top town"
There is NO "black top city"
There is NO "black top country"
There is NO black TOP anything/anybody outside sports.
Diversity has NEVER improved anything objectively.
Quotas have NEVER made a place objectively better
The more blacks per given area, the sh!ttier is becomes
That includes a school, business, town, city, country, or continent.

They bring fear, poverty, and violence.

They are genetically NOT us. They have simian characteristics. Hybrids, halfbreeds...CAN be smart but the baggage of their "kin" aren't worth the trouble.

Lets talk...

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Here we go again. Do you not realize how stupid it is to say "we had no more terrorist attacks under Bush after 9/11"?

We had no more mass drownings, other than the 1800 during Katrina, during Bush's tenure.

We never invaded the wrong country again after Iraq.

Was Katrina a terrorist attack? And by the way, President Bush offered help and the mayor or New Orleans refused. The president cannot send in the national guard without the permission of the governor of the state without declaring Marshall law. Do you know how stupid it sounds to keep blaming that on President Bush when it was primarily the fault of the state and local governments. These were the same state and local governments that accepted federal money to shore up the levies and used that money for something else.

We attacked Iraq based o the intelligence that we had at the time. This intelligence was brought to us, by the way, by the same intelligence agencies that are now claiming that Russia hacked our e-mail system. It's interesting how so many of the same people that rejected that information are so ready to accept this new information.

Don't forget. This information came out because of Wikileaks and Julian Assange says that his source was not Russia.

[janmcn]

Was Katrina a terrorist attack? And by the way, President Bush offered help and the mayor or New Orleans refused. The president cannot send in the national guard without the permission of the governor of the state without declaring Marshall law. Do you know how stupid it sounds to keep blaming that on President Bush when it was primarily the fault of the state and local governments. These were the same state and local governments that accepted federal money to shore up the levies and used that money for something else.

We attacked Iraq based o the intelligence that we had at the time. This intelligence was brought to us, by the way, by the same intelligence agencies that are now claiming that Russia hacked our e-mail system. It's interesting how so many of the same people that rejected that information are so ready to accept this new information.

Don't forget. This information came out because of Wikileaks and Julian Assange says that his source was not Russia.



Hurricane Katrina was not a terrorist attack, the attack on the World Trade Center on 9/11/01 was a terrorist attack.

Wait three more weeks and you can say Obama had no terrorist organization attacks during his eight year tenure, and you won't need to add any qualifiers. We'll see how long this streak continues under Trump.

[dirtbanker]

Hurricane Katrina was not a terrorist attack, the attack on the World Trade Center on 9/11/01 was a terrorist attack.

Wait three more weeks and you can say Obama had no terrorist organization attacks during his eight year tenure, and you won't need to add any qualifiers. We'll see how long this streak continues under Trump.

Hey Jan - lay off the crack pipe...

Fort Hood, Boston Marathon, Curtis Cullwell Center, Orlando, San Bernardino, and others...Maybe you don't value those lives lost here on our soil due to these Islamic terror attacks??

Here Is Your Complete List Of Islamic Terror Attacks During The Obama Administration | Daily Wire (http://www.dailywire.com/news/4291/here-your-complete-list-islamic-terror-attacks-aaron-bandler)

[janmcn]

Hurricane Katrina was not a terrorist attack, the attack on the World Trade Center on 9/11/01 was a terrorist attack.

Wait three more weeks and you can say Obama had no terrorist organization attacks during his eight year tenure, and you won't need to add any qualifiers. We'll see how long this streak continues under Trump.

Hey Jan - lay off the crack pipe...

Fort Hood, Boston Marathon, Curtis Cullwell Center, Orlando, San Bernardino, and others...Maybe you don't value those lives lost here on our soil due to these Islamic terror attacks??

Here Is Your Complete List Of Islamic Terror Attacks During The Obama Administration | Daily Wire (http://www.dailywire.com/news/4291/here-your-complete-list-islamic-terror-attacks-aaron-bandler)



If you could read, you would notice I said terrorist organization attacks. No president can prevent these lone wolf attacks anymore than they can prevent car accidents.

[MDLNB]

If you could read, you would notice I said terrorist organization attacks. No president can prevent these lone wolf attacks anymore than they can prevent car accidents.

What a dumb@ss! Benghazi was not a terrorist attack? Oh, that's right, your personal Madonna said it was a protest over a video.

When you are doing all of your stipulation on limits and definitions of what a terrorist is, let us know your ideas. NO, please don't, you have already astounded us too much with your exceptional perception on current events.

Do you consider Bill Ayers a terrorist? He was a bomber for the weather Underground. A personal friend and advisor to Obama. Even closer than Putin and Trump.