Affordable Care Act

[Cedwards38]

I'm a Democrat, and compared to many of you I'm quite liberal in my political thought. I'm proud of that.

Now I know that most Republicans don't agree with my politics, but that doesn't make them stupid, mean, or self-centered. It just makes them different, and, in my opinion, wrong. Hooray for open and respectful political discourse, which has become so hard to find in America today where we treat our political party like our favorite sports team, and winning is the only objective.

So go ahead and call me a libtard, moron, Communist, wussy, or whatever you wish, but know that when you do I simply laugh at the inability of some of you to argue with facts so you resort to name calling.

MY POINT: I am concerned about vast numbers of Americans losing health insurance coverage and I suspect that many Republicans are as well. To repeal the ACA without a clear, detailed, and workable alternative to implement immediately is simply politics rather than good policy. The GOP will own that. Forget about the name "Obamacare" that inflames so many critics of the President, and just read some facts in the article below about the ACA. Thanks!

Republicans call Obamacare a 'failure.' These 7 charts show they couldn't be more wrong - LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-obamacare-charts-20170104-story.html)

[billethkid]

Obama Care is the perfect example of politics and not good policy.

As was stated many times before the ram job (Obama care), there was a system tha t worked for most people.

What was needed was to fix or add to the existing system that which corrected ar added value to fill needs not well attended by the current system.

All tha is wrong with Obama care and the resulting twistng and turning and increasing costs were all predicted/forecast to come. And indeed now the inadequacies and the spiraling costs are occurring just as predicted on the time table predicted.

The only reason....THE ONLY REASON....Obama care was creayed was to satisfy Obama's need to show he did something. Some of us remember all too well the direction he gave to Pelosi.......just get me something I can sign. And we all remember the back room deals.......and who will ever forget Pelosi encouraging the legislation to be approved "...so we can see what is in it...".

Obama's political need was the ptiority, not the need of we the people.

There is no mystery what so ever.

[MDLNB]

I'm a Democrat, and compared to many of you I'm quite liberal in my political thought. I'm proud of that.

Now I know that most Republicans don't agree with my politics, but that doesn't make them stupid, mean, or self-centered. It just makes them different, and, in my opinion, wrong. Hooray for open and respectful political discourse, which has become so hard to find in America today where we treat our political party like our favorite sports team, and winning is the only objective.

So go ahead and call me a libtard, moron, Communist, wussy, or whatever you wish, but know that when you do I simply laugh at the inability of some of you to argue with facts so you resort to name calling.

MY POINT: I am concerned about vast numbers of Americans losing health insurance coverage and I suspect that many Republicans are as well. To repeal the ACA without a clear, detailed, and workable alternative to implement immediately is simply politics rather than good policy. The GOP will own that. Forget about the name "Obamacare" that inflames so many critics of the President, and just read some facts in the article below about the ACA. Thanks!

Republicans call Obamacare a 'failure.' These 7 charts show they couldn't be more wrong - LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-obamacare-charts-20170104-story.html)

Question:

Were you just as concerned about the millions that lost their health care coverage because of ObieCare? If not, then you shouldn't now either because the new program will take care of more folks and still get the cost down. Something that was not considered in rushing through ObieCare.

[Chi-Town]

Question:

Were you just as concerned about the millions that lost their health care coverage because of ObieCare? If not, then you shouldn't now either because the new program will take care of more folks and still get the cost down. Something that was not considered in rushing through ObieCare.

Question:

What new program?

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[Buffalo Jim]

ACA : An unfair attack by the Dems on the Blue Collar and Middle Class hard working families .

" If you like your insurance you can keep your insurance ".
" If you like your Dr. you can keep your Dr. "
" Every family will enjoy a reduction in premiums of about $2,500 per year " .

[MDLNB]

Question:

What new program?

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Private and Free enterprise, and opening up the restrictions that prevented the sale of insurance over state lines.

[Don Baldwin]

Question:

What new program?

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ONLY white people get treated because only white lives matter.

[janmcn]

I'm a Democrat, and compared to many of you I'm quite liberal in my political thought. I'm proud of that.

Now I know that most Republicans don't agree with my politics, but that doesn't make them stupid, mean, or self-centered. It just makes them different, and, in my opinion, wrong. Hooray for open and respectful political discourse, which has become so hard to find in America today where we treat our political party like our favorite sports team, and winning is the only objective.

So go ahead and call me a libtard, moron, Communist, wussy, or whatever you wish, but know that when you do I simply laugh at the inability of some of you to argue with facts so you resort to name calling.

MY POINT: I am concerned about vast numbers of Americans losing health insurance coverage and I suspect that many Republicans are as well. To repeal the ACA without a clear, detailed, and workable alternative to implement immediately is simply politics rather than good policy. The GOP will own that. Forget about the name "Obamacare" that inflames so many critics of the President, and just read some facts in the article below about the ACA. Thanks!

Republicans call Obamacare a 'failure.' These 7 charts show they couldn't be more wrong - LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-obamacare-charts-20170104-story.html)



After six years of trying to repeal Obamacare, the republicans have no plan, but 'some ideas' according to Speaker Ryan. The interesting thing is they can repeal it with only 51 votes, but it will take 60 votes to replace it. Where do they think the will get those eight votes to pass a replacement, certainly not from the democrat side of the aisle.

As Joe Biden said recently, 'go ahead repeal Obamacare. We double dog dare you'.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I'm a Democrat, and compared to many of you I'm quite liberal in my political thought. I'm proud of that.

Now I know that most Republicans don't agree with my politics, but that doesn't make them stupid, mean, or self-centered. It just makes them different, and, in my opinion, wrong. Hooray for open and respectful political discourse, which has become so hard to find in America today where we treat our political party like our favorite sports team, and winning is the only objective.

So go ahead and call me a libtard, moron, Communist, wussy, or whatever you wish, but know that when you do I simply laugh at the inability of some of you to argue with facts so you resort to name calling.

MY POINT: I am concerned about vast numbers of Americans losing health insurance coverage and I suspect that many Republicans are as well. To repeal the ACA without a clear, detailed, and workable alternative to implement immediately is simply politics rather than good policy. The GOP will own that. Forget about the name "Obamacare" that inflames so many critics of the President, and just read some facts in the article below about the ACA. Thanks!

Republicans call Obamacare a 'failure.' These 7 charts show they couldn't be more wrong - LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-obamacare-charts-20170104-story.html)

I'm a moderately conservative republican and I agree. The ACA cannot simply be repealed all at once. It needs to be done in stages and it needs to be replaced with something that will actually work. As far as people losing their healthcare coverage, those who now have it, will have it for at least the next year. So it's not like the law will be repealed and suddenly 20 million people will not have coverage.

The ACA does not provide coverage anyway it only provides a means to get coverage, mandates that everyone have coverage and subsidizes some people that can't afford coverage. I don't know how many of the 20 million that were added are subsidized, but I do believe that there are a lot of people that got insurance because it was mandated. Those people will be able to drop their coverage.

For those who cannot afford coverage, we still have Medicaid. What's wrong with simply expanding that program?

A lot of people whose premiums have increased from 20% to 120% might be relieved to be able to drop their coverage.

I think that you're right. It shouldn't be called Obamacare. A more appropriate name would be the Pelosi-Reid medical folly.

[Don Baldwin]

I'm a moderately conservative republican and I agree. The ACA cannot simply be repealed all at once. It needs to be done in stages and it needs to be replaced with something that will actually work. As far as people losing their healthcare coverage, those who now have it, will have it for at least the next year. So it's not like the law will be repealed and suddenly 20 million people will not have coverage.

The ACA does not provide coverage anyway it only provides a means to get coverage, mandates that everyone have coverage and subsidizes some people that can't afford coverage. I don't know how many of the 20 million that were added are subsidized, but I do believe that there are a lot of people that got insurance because it was mandated. Those people will be able to drop their coverage.

For those who cannot afford coverage, we still have Medicaid. What's wrong with simply expanding that program?

A lot of people whose premiums have increased from 20% to 120% might be relieved to be able to drop their coverage.

I think that you're right. It shouldn't be called Obamacare. A more appropriate name would be the Pelosi-Reid medical folly.

There's NO WAY to cover 50 million...yes the real number...without everyone else's rates going up. THAT is why they had to vote for it before learning what was in it!

They had NO coverage a few years ago...now they have no coverage again...what's the big deal?

[Buffalo Jim]

ONLY white people get treated because only white lives matter.

Not true . For decades the underclass received free health care at the local ER of their community hospital .

All the ACC did was to shift the burden onto backs of the working Blue Collar and Middle Class segments .

That`s why the Chief Justice ruled that the ACC required insurance fees were a " Tax " . And went on to say that the Fed Gvt has the right to impose taxes .

[MDLNB]

I'm a moderately conservative republican and I agree. The ACA cannot simply be repealed all at once. It needs to be done in stages and it needs to be replaced with something that will actually work. As far as people losing their healthcare coverage, those who now have it, will have it for at least the next year. So it's not like the law will be repealed and suddenly 20 million people will not have coverage.

The ACA does not provide coverage anyway it only provides a means to get coverage, mandates that everyone have coverage and subsidizes some people that can't afford coverage. I don't know how many of the 20 million that were added are subsidized, but I do believe that there are a lot of people that got insurance because it was mandated. Those people will be able to drop their coverage.

For those who cannot afford coverage, we still have Medicaid. What's wrong with simply expanding that program?

A lot of people whose premiums have increased from 20% to 120% might be relieved to be able to drop their coverage.

I think that you're right. It shouldn't be called Obamacare. A more appropriate name would be the Pelosi-Reid medical folly.

:thumbup:

[MDLNB]

There are 33 million still without insurance. Most of the Obamacare recipients that signed up were the ones that lost their private insurance when Obamacare was passed. Today, the left if bragging about all those folks that are currently signing up for ObieCare. I bet they are not that stupid to think that these folks are worried about paying a INCOME TAX RETURN fine and had to sign up real fast. Do you think that anyone is going to pay after they sign up? Ha, ha, ha, ha. When the left pushed Obiecare in 2009 there were about 45 million that did not have insurance. How many even wanted insurance? The rich don't because they get less quality service than they can get if they pay cash. Why should they sign up? The young don't care because they don't need it. The poor don't care because they have Medicaid. No, nobody wanted it but the left NEEDED it to redistribute the wealth and they needed to try to add to the slush fund. So, they stole almost a trillion bucks from Medicare to subsidize Obiecare and now in 2017, this year all H3ll is going to break loose because of the failure of Obiecare. None of this needed to happen, but the left insists on being everyone's nanny whether asked or not.

[rubicon]

I'm a Democrat, and compared to many of you I'm quite liberal in my political thought. I'm proud of that.

Now I know that most Republicans don't agree with my politics, but that doesn't make them stupid, mean, or self-centered. It just makes them different, and, in my opinion, wrong. Hooray for open and respectful political discourse, which has become so hard to find in America today where we treat our political party like our favorite sports team, and winning is the only objective.

So go ahead and call me a libtard, moron, Communist, wussy, or whatever you wish, but know that when you do I simply laugh at the inability of some of you to argue with facts so you resort to name calling.

MY POINT: I am concerned about vast numbers of Americans losing health insurance coverage and I suspect that many Republicans are as well. To repeal the ACA without a clear, detailed, and workable alternative to implement immediately is simply politics rather than good policy. The GOP will own that. Forget about the name "Obamacare" that inflames so many critics of the President, and just read some facts in the article below about the ACA. Thanks!

Republicans call Obamacare a 'failure.' These 7 charts show they couldn't be more wrong - LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-obamacare-charts-20170104-story.html)

Dear Guest:

Obamacare was engineered to fail because the intention all along was to go to a single payer plan meaning the government had total control over your health care needs. The government has repeatedly shown it is incapable and should not be allowed to choose winners and losers . As to healthcare two words come to mind VETERAN ADMINISTRATION

Obamacare was a partisan decision and done in haste. And when you implement in haste you end up repenting in leisure.

The government had the means to deal only with those uninsured there was no need to invent ACA. Now the entire health care/insurance/patient community is stuck with a dud.

There are sensible and easy solutions to get us out of this mess. The real problem are bickering politicians while Rome burns

Personal Best Regards:

[MDLNB]

Dear Guest:

Obamacare was engineered to fail because the intention all along was to go to a single payer plan meaning the government had total control over your health care needs. The government has repeatedly shown it is incapable and should not be allowed to choose winners and losers . As to healthcare two words come to mind VETERAN ADMINISTRATION

Obamacare was a partisan decision and done in haste. And when you implement in haste you end up repenting in leisure.

The government had the means to deal only with those uninsured there was no need to invent ACA. Now the entire health care/insurance/patient community is stuck with a dud.

There are sensible and easy solutions to get us out of this mess. The real problem are bickering politicians while Rome burns

Personal Best Regards:

Good post

[Buffalo Jim]

ONLY white people get treated because only white lives matter.

You know better .

[Paper1]

Suspect most of the posters on this forum whom are very critical of Obama and the ACA are themselves having their medical care provided by tax payers, at a cost much more than they paid in. The problem is not ACA, that is only letting those less fortunate than us have a chance at some kind of preventive health care or even seeing a doctor, something taken for granted by many. Regardless of what some may think there is nothing Trump or republicans in house can do to replace it with "something better" other than actually cutting the cost of care or let poor go without care. You know they don't have the courage to address the former so what is left? I've been a conservative republican all my voting life but on this issue I guess I'm what this forum calls a libtard. The only way to get the obscene profit, shareholder return, lawyers, etc. out of medicine is single payer like Medicare and VA. If you look at CEO's of all sectors of medical industry and not a one help anyone with an illness, 100% shareholder value at the expense of sick people. It is said we have the best healthcare in the world, but only if someone else is paying for it. IMO

[MDLNB]

Suspect most of the posters on this forum whom are very critical of Obama and the ACA are themselves having their medical care provided by tax payers, at a cost much more than they paid in. The problem is not ACA, that is only letting those less fortunate than us have a chance at some kind of preventive health care or even seeing a doctor, something taken for granted by many. Regardless of what some may think there is nothing Trump or republicans in house can do to replace it with "something better" other than actually cutting the cost of care or let poor go without care. You know they don't have the courage to address the former so what is left? I've been a conservative republican all my voting life but on this issue I guess I'm what this forum calls a libtard. The only way to get the obscene profit, shareholder return, lawyers, etc. out of medicine is single payer like Medicare and VA. If you look at CEO's of all sectors of medical industry and not a one help anyone with an illness, 100% shareholder value at the expense of sick people. It is said we have the best healthcare in the world, but only if someone else is paying for it. IMO

Only in your liberal induced fantasy. No one will convince you of the truth. It takes experts and lots of time to reeducate and de-brainwash people like you. Not worth the effort. You are not dangerous, just naive.

[janmcn]

Now that republicans will soon have total power, they are like the dog that caught the bus...they don't know what to do with it. They can tear it down, but they can't rebuild it.

For at least the next two years the senate is R's-52, D's-48. Any plan to replace the ACA would require 60 votes. How many think any plan would get any democratic votes? Pretty slim chance, just like the chances of any supreme court justice getting approved with 60 votes.

[dirtbanker]

Now that republicans will soon have total power, they are like the dog that caught the bus...they don't know what to do with it. They can tear it down, but they can't rebuild it.

For at least the next two years the senate is R's-52, D's-48. Any plan to replace the ACA would require 60 votes. How many think any plan would get any democratic votes? Pretty slim chance, just like the chances of any supreme court justice getting approved with 60 votes.

Maybe they Dems will not vote for a replacement...so millions of poor and needy people will not have any health insurance because the Dems are showing those Repubs...but most likely my premiums will not be going up 33% a year like they have been! (And I have not been to the doctor for anything other than a check up here or there, and it shows I am healthy)

[janmcn]

Maybe they Dems will not vote for a replacement...so millions of poor and needy people will not have any health insurance because the Dems are showing those Repubs...but most likely my premiums will not be going up 33% a year like they have been! (And I have not been to the doctor for anything other than a check up here or there, and it shows I am healthy)


The poor and needy will know who repealed the ACA, democrats will make sure of that.

[dirtbanker]

The poor and needy will know who repealed the ACA, democrats will make sure of that.
Yeah Jan - that will definitely make the poor and needy feel better... that is your concern, I see.

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[Alibaba]

For those of you who don't know.... it seems like most of you don't The act was the brainchild of the Heritage Foundation... a Conservative Republican think tank. This bill was a compromise to get something done for the millions who don't have insurance. Why are there so many problems? First the "Republican" controlled congress did not fund the program as promised, Second, many states like Florida did not opt into the program causing Floridians higher costs, Third...Republicans would not approve a plan that was not controlled by the insurance industry so they control the costs. Third largest lobby in America pumping $$ into the pockets of our representatives.
Make America Great Again.... hardly .... you elected the same money mogers who are the heart of the problem and added the biggest blunder in Trump. We got what we deserved because we at too stupid to know what the real facts are. The con-man, carnival barker extreme duped us all.

[Buffalo Jim]

The poor and needy will know who repealed the ACA, democrats will make sure of that.

So you personally know people who actually feel that they are benefiting from Obama- Care ? Oh yeah --- I mean the ACA .

I only know people who are much worse off under this so called system .

[AJ32162]

The poor and needy will know who repealed the ACA, democrats will make sure of that.

What difference will it make? They don't vote!

[autumnspring]

I'm a Democrat, and compared to many of you I'm quite liberal in my political thought. I'm proud of that.

Now I know that most Republicans don't agree with my politics, but that doesn't make them stupid, mean, or self-centered. It just makes them different, and, in my opinion, wrong. Hooray for open and respectful political discourse, which has become so hard to find in America today where we treat our political party like our favorite sports team, and winning is the only objective.

So go ahead and call me a libtard, moron, Communist, wussy, or whatever you wish, but know that when you do I simply laugh at the inability of some of you to argue with facts so you resort to name calling.

MY POINT: I am concerned about vast numbers of Americans losing health insurance coverage and I suspect that many Republicans are as well. To repeal the ACA without a clear, detailed, and workable alternative to implement immediately is simply politics rather than good policy. The GOP will own that. Forget about the name "Obamacare" that inflames so many critics of the President, and just read some facts in the article below about the ACA. Thanks!

Republicans call Obamacare a 'failure.' These 7 charts show they couldn't be more wrong - LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-obamacare-charts-20170104-story.html)

Sadly people must be forced to be RESPONSIBLE.

A young HEALTHY person decides hey I am healthy I would rather spend that money on a new car, nice vacation a stock market investment etc. We all have other things to spend the thousands that healthcare insurance costs.

So back to that healthy person. He is in an auto accident
does he scream help me or does he scream I have no insurance so take me dead or alive to the garbage dump.
Of course they will take him to the hospital. Since he does not have insurance, most likely he will not pay the hospital. WHO WILL PAY? YOU WILL PAY. Part of the reason why healthcare is so expensive-IS THAT YOU PAY FOR ALL WHO DO NOT.

Eighty percent of all health care is paid for by either the government or by insurance. The entire system is crazy.
The insurance company or the government tells you what the proper care is. They tell the provider what he can charge. If, you were to consider not having insurance AND SELF INSURING-you take the risk and you pay the bill should medical care be necessary, SHOULD YOU NEED CARE YOU WILL BE BILLED ROUGHLY TWICE WHAT THE GOVERNMENT OR PRIVATE INSURANCE PAYS.

ALSO-there is nothing else you buy besides medical care where you do not ask the price or to ask to see previous JOBS he has done.

[autumnspring]

For those of you who don't know.... it seems like most of you don't The act was the brainchild of the Heritage Foundation... a Conservative Republican think tank. This bill was a compromise to get something done for the millions who don't have insurance. Why are there so many problems? First the "Republican" controlled congress did not fund the program as promised, Second, many states like Florida did not opt into the program causing Floridians higher costs, Third...Republicans would not approve a plan that was not controlled by the insurance industry so they control the costs. Third largest lobby in America pumping $$ into the pockets of our representatives.
Make America Great Again.... hardly .... you elected the same money mogers who are the heart of the problem and added the biggest blunder in Trump. We got what we deserved because we at too stupid to know what the real facts are. The con-man, carnival barker extreme duped us all.

WAKE UP OH POOR HYPNOTIZED LIBERAL AND SEE THE REAL WORLD. TRUMP IS NOT PRESIDENT OBAMA IS.
For Obama;s LEGACY. Obama has successfully fanned embers of racial conflict into forest fires, Obama has turned SELF RELIANCE into I would just as soon sit home and leach off people who work and in my case people who have SAVED for their future, Obama has turned SUCCESS into something evil replaced by HIS you owe meeeeeeee, giiiiiiimmmmmmmmeeeeeeeee

OBAMA-WHO YOU SURELY VOTED FOR GOT ALL OF US HERE. CAN TRUMP CORRECT ALL THAT OBAMA HAS DONE PROBABLY NOT.
Obama has not only screwed the UNITED STATES, he has screwed Israel, he tried to screw ENGLAND and now he wants to screw with RUSSIA. We need RUSSIA and they need us. China and North Korea are both expanding their military will it be resolved diplomatically or by war? A SANE LEADER WOULD WANT RUSSIA ON OUR SIDE. BAMA-will not only leave a TEN TRILLION DOLLAR UNPAID BILL ON THE DESK BUT TO BE SURE HE CAN SCREW UP AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE HE WANTS TO START TROUBLE WITH RUSSIA.

[MDLNB]

For those of you who don't know.... it seems like most of you don't The act was the brainchild of the Heritage Foundation... a Conservative Republican think tank. This bill was a compromise to get something done for the millions who don't have insurance. Why are there so many problems? First the "Republican" controlled congress did not fund the program as promised, Second, many states like Florida did not opt into the program causing Floridians higher costs, Third...Republicans would not approve a plan that was not controlled by the insurance industry so they control the costs. Third largest lobby in America pumping $$ into the pockets of our representatives.
Make America Great Again.... hardly .... you elected the same money mogers who are the heart of the problem and added the biggest blunder in Trump. We got what we deserved because we at too stupid to know what the real facts are. The con-man, carnival barker extreme duped us all.

I don't know where you get your information but you are wrong about it originating by conservatives. It was not written by ANY conservative. If you are suggesting that a conservative may have thought about a gov sponsored health care system, then big deal. Don't try to pawn this crap off on us. This is totally owned by the left. And they also get credit for it's failure.

Pelosi thought she was being smart when she said that if the Republicans "break it they own it." The fact is that it is already broken and needs to be thrown in the dumpster and replaced with something that works. Kind of like if you move the ObieCare trash out of the road, the traffic will move through without a problem.

[MDLNB]

WAKE UP OH POOR HYPNOTIZED LIBERAL AND SEE THE REAL WORLD. TRUMP IS NOT PRESIDENT OBAMA IS.
For Obama;s LEGACY. Obama has successfully fanned embers of racial conflict into forest fires, Obama has turned SELF RELIANCE into I would just as soon sit home and leach off people who work and in my case people who have SAVED for their future, Obama has turned SUCCESS into something evil replaced by HIS you owe meeeeeeee, giiiiiiimmmmmmmmeeeeeeeee

OBAMA-WHO YOU SURELY VOTED FOR GOT ALL OF US HERE. CAN TRUMP CORRECT ALL THAT OBAMA HAS DONE PROBABLY NOT.
Obama has not only screwed the UNITED STATES, he has screwed Israel, he tried to screw ENGLAND and now he wants to screw with RUSSIA. We need RUSSIA and they need us. China and North Korea are both expanding their military will it be resolved diplomatically or by war? A SANE LEADER WOULD WANT RUSSIA ON OUR SIDE. BAMA-will not only leave a TEN TRILLION DOLLAR UNPAID BILL ON THE DESK BUT TO BE SURE HE CAN SCREW UP AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE HE WANTS TO START TROUBLE WITH RUSSIA.

:thumbup:

[MDLNB]

Sadly people must be forced to be RESPONSIBLE.

A young HEALTHY person decides hey I am healthy I would rather spend that money on a new car, nice vacation a stock market investment etc. We all have other things to spend the thousands that healthcare insurance costs.

So back to that healthy person. He is in an auto accident
does he scream help me or does he scream I have no insurance so take me dead or alive to the garbage dump.
Of course they will take him to the hospital. Since he does not have insurance, most likely he will not pay the hospital. WHO WILL PAY? YOU WILL PAY. Part of the reason why healthcare is so expensive-IS THAT YOU PAY FOR ALL WHO DO NOT.

Eighty percent of all health care is paid for by either the government or by insurance. The entire system is crazy.
The insurance company or the government tells you what the proper care is. They tell the provider what he can charge. If, you were to consider not having insurance AND SELF INSURING-you take the risk and you pay the bill should medical care be necessary, SHOULD YOU NEED CARE YOU WILL BE BILLED ROUGHLY TWICE WHAT THE GOVERNMENT OR PRIVATE INSURANCE PAYS.

ALSO-there is nothing else you buy besides medical care where you do not ask the price or to ask to see previous JOBS he has done.

Apparently you do not know what you are speaking about. Liberal talking points should be fact checked before repeating them.

First off, if you pay cash at a hospital you will pay less than insurance is charged. That's a fact, because it is negotiable. So, you are wrong.

Don't try to suggest that it is anyone's responsibility to participate in order to bring your insurance down. If you are that needy perhaps you should move to a socialist country where you can be taken care of. It is not our responsibility to pay your way.

[MDLNB]

The poor and needy will know who repealed the ACA, democrats will make sure of that.

Yes, the left is a nasty bunch of petulant losers. You are finally right about something.

[MDLNB]

The poor and needy will know who repealed the ACA, democrats will make sure of that.

And everyone already knows that it is the Democrats that mandated that they purchase something that they may not have wanted.......against their will. Or, be punished with a fine. Why do you think that there is an influx of people signing up for ObieCare this close to tax time? Because they don't want to pay the fine. And do you think they will continue to pay their premiums after they do their taxes? Nope.

[ColdNoMore]

And everyone already knows that it is the Democrats that mandated that they purchase something that they may not have wanted.......against their will. Or, be punished with a fine. Why do you think that there is an influx of people signing up for ObieCare this close to tax time? Because they don't want to pay the fine. And do you think they will continue to pay their premiums after they do their taxes? Nope.

The reason for the mandate was already explained to you and your ilk...but apparently you're too dumb to have understood. :oops:

Young people were getting a free ride through emergency rooms...so now they simply pay their fair share.

Republicans had decades to come up with something similar to ACA, but never saw it as a big deal...since it was just the poor mostly affected.

Now they're gonna find out that repealing it, without having a viable replacement immediately...will be a REALLY BIG big deal on their future.

The dog caught the bus...now let's see what it does.

I can't wait to watch. :popcorn:

[MDLNB]

The reason for the mandate was already explained to you and your ilk...but apparently you're too dumb to have understood. :oops:

Young people were getting a free ride through emergency rooms...so now they simply pay their fair share.

Republicans had decades to come up with something similar to ACA, but never saw it as a big deal...since it was just the poor mostly affected.

Now they're gonna find out that repealing it, without having a viable replacement immediately...will be a REALLY BIG big deal on their future.

The dog caught the bus...now let's see what it does.

I can't wait to watch. :popcorn:

And we already told you that we are not interested in supporting you needy people in America. It is not our responsibility to make things easier for you, just because you can't hack it in real life. This is a FREE country and making someone purchase something is not being FREE. Quit your bit*hing and crying and grow TFU!

Your program FAILED and is costing AMERICA and it's citizens too much. We were better off before ObieCare. You blind libtards will never get it. Just too naive to understand that we are not here to support you. Perhaps we should legalize post-natal abortion to get rid of the lazy.

[Paper1]

Only in your liberal induced fantasy. No one will convince you of the truth. It takes experts and lots of time to reeducate and de-brainwash people like you. Not worth the effort. You are not dangerous, just naive.

Seeing we are both guest you should be able to tell me how much you are paying for health insurance, or might the tax payers be carrying you?

[MDLNB]

Seeing we are both guest you should be able to tell me how much you are paying for health insurance, or might the tax payers be carrying you?

What are you talking about? I see you as Paper1. Is this a new moniker? Since I know who you used to be.

[Don Baldwin]

And we already told you that we are not interested in supporting you needy people in America. It is not our responsibility to make things easier for you, just because you can't hack it in real life. This is a FREE country and making someone purchase something is not being FREE. Quit your bit*hing and crying and grow TFU!

Your program FAILED and is costing AMERICA and it's citizens too much. We were better off before ObieCare. You blind libtards will never get it. Just too naive to understand that we are not here to support you. Perhaps we should legalize post-natal abortion to get rid of the lazy.

Liberals are women and minorities, NEITHER can compete equally with white men...hence the NEED for quotas.

You'll never get through to them...they live in a land called denial.

[dirtbanker]

Seeing we are both guest you should be able to tell me how much you are paying for health insurance, or might the tax payers be carrying you?

Seeing how we are all guests here...the polite thing to do is share your health insurance costs along with weather or not your paying for it, and then ask if anyone else would like to share theirs.

[MDLNB]

Seeing how we are all guests here...the polite thing to do is share your health insurance costs along with weather or not your paying for it, and then ask if anyone else would like to share theirs.

That poster is just a wannabe troll. Not even a very good one. People like that think that they are fooling someone by changing their ID.

[Chi-Town]

I'm a moderately conservative republican and I agree. The ACA cannot simply be repealed all at once. It needs to be done in stages and it needs to be replaced with something that will actually work. As far as people losing their healthcare coverage, those who now have it, will have it for at least the next year. So it's not like the law will be repealed and suddenly 20 million people will not have coverage.

The ACA does not provide coverage anyway it only provides a means to get coverage, mandates that everyone have coverage and subsidizes some people that can't afford coverage. I don't know how many of the 20 million that were added are subsidized, but I do believe that there are a lot of people that got insurance because it was mandated. Those people will be able to drop their coverage.

For those who cannot afford coverage, we still have Medicaid. What's wrong with simply expanding that program?

A lot of people whose premiums have increased from 20% to 120% might be relieved to be able to drop their coverage.

I think that you're right. It shouldn't be called Obamacare. A more appropriate name would be the Pelosi-Reid medical folly.
I agree. Forget the term Obamacare. Never had a good ring to it. Now Trumpcare sounds better. Can't wait to see what that is.

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[janmcn]

I agree. Forget the term Obamacare. Never had a good ring to it. Now Trumpcare sounds better. Can't wait to see what that is.

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Unfortunately we will have to wait until at least 2018 since republicans only have 52 votes in the senate, not the requisite 60 votes required to pass a replacement law or to confirm any supreme court justices.

[dirtbanker]

Jan - You could care less about anyone effected by the repeal. Only difference between you and I, is your non stop whining like you care.
Keep your money Jan, what little bit you have, and I will keep mine. Fair enough Jan?

[MDLNB]

Unfortunately we will have to wait until at least 2018 since republicans only have 52 votes in the senate, not the requisite 60 votes required to pass a replacement law or to confirm any supreme court justices.

That may be, but Harry's nuclear option will get rid of ObieCare. If the Democrats want to be responsible for being "obstructionists" then they can lose some more places in congress in 2018.

[hypocritehunter]

Question:

Were you just as concerned about the millions that lost their health care coverage because of ObieCare? If not, then you shouldn't now either because the new program will take care of more folks and still get the cost down. Something that was not considered in rushing through ObieCare.

And what plan are you referring to? Also, you know this mystery plan will cover more folks and cost less because Trump told you it would? You mean the same guy who said Mexicans would pay for the wall the same time he releases his taxes? Man, there is no fool like an old fool.

[hypocritehunter]

I'm a moderately conservative republican and I agree. The ACA cannot simply be repealed all at once. It needs to be done in stages and it needs to be replaced with something that will actually work. As far as people losing their healthcare coverage, those who now have it, will have it for at least the next year. So it's not like the law will be repealed and suddenly 20 million people will not have coverage.

The ACA does not provide coverage anyway it only provides a means to get coverage, mandates that everyone have coverage and subsidizes some people that can't afford coverage. I don't know how many of the 20 million that were added are subsidized, but I do believe that there are a lot of people that got insurance because it was mandated. Those people will be able to drop their coverage.

For those who cannot afford coverage, we still have Medicaid. What's wrong with simply expanding that program?

A lot of people whose premiums have increased from 20% to 120% might be relieved to be able to drop their coverage.

I think that you're right. It shouldn't be called Obamacare. A more appropriate name would be the Pelosi-Reid medical folly.

I want it called Trumpcare. Especially when you drop the provision that requires people to have health care insurance. I hope you are intelligent enough to know what that will do. Good luck Trumpsters on that one.

[MDLNB]

And what plan are you referring to? Also, you know this mystery plan will cover more folks and cost less because Trump told you it would? You mean the same guy who said Mexicans would pay for the wall the same time he releases his taxes? Man, there is no fool like an old fool.

Republicans have submitted over nine alternative programs to replace ObieCare, but it was stopped by the Democrats, the last being submitted last June or July.

Quite being a crybaby or go to your safe room and play with your stuffed bunny.

Anything at all, including NO program would be better than ObieCare.

[hypocritehunter]

For those of you who don't know.... it seems like most of you don't The act was the brainchild of the Heritage Foundation... a Conservative Republican think tank. This bill was a compromise to get something done for the millions who don't have insurance. Why are there so many problems? First the "Republican" controlled congress did not fund the program as promised, Second, many states like Florida did not opt into the program causing Floridians higher costs, Third...Republicans would not approve a plan that was not controlled by the insurance industry so they control the costs. Third largest lobby in America pumping $$ into the pockets of our representatives.
Make America Great Again.... hardly .... you elected the same money mogers who are the heart of the problem and added the biggest blunder in Trump. We got what we deserved because we at too stupid to know what the real facts are. The con-man, carnival barker extreme duped us all.

Not true. Less than half the voters voted for this blowhard. Please don't lump me into this herd of sheep.

[MDLNB]

I want it called Trumpcare. Especially when you drop the provision that requires people to have health care insurance. I hope you are intelligent enough to know what that will do. Good luck Trumpsters on that one.

Any plan at all will be better than ObieCare, INCLUDING no program. We've seen how the libtard MANDATORY purchase program has worked out. Just another Tyranical attempt at socialism and a step towards communism. Liberals are losers that should leave this great country and go find out what it is like to live in a socialist system. It will open their eyes, once they take off their blinders.

[hypocritehunter]

Sadly people must be forced to be RESPONSIBLE.

A young HEALTHY person decides hey I am healthy I would rather spend that money on a new car, nice vacation a stock market investment etc. We all have other things to spend the thousands that healthcare insurance costs.

So back to that healthy person. He is in an auto accident
does he scream help me or does he scream I have no insurance so take me dead or alive to the garbage dump.
Of course they will take him to the hospital. Since he does not have insurance, most likely he will not pay the hospital. WHO WILL PAY? YOU WILL PAY. Part of the reason why healthcare is so expensive-IS THAT YOU PAY FOR ALL WHO DO NOT.

Eighty percent of all health care is paid for by either the government or by insurance. The entire system is crazy.
The insurance company or the government tells you what the proper care is. They tell the provider what he can charge. If, you were to consider not having insurance AND SELF INSURING-you take the risk and you pay the bill should medical care be necessary, SHOULD YOU NEED CARE YOU WILL BE BILLED ROUGHLY TWICE WHAT THE GOVERNMENT OR PRIVATE INSURANCE PAYS.

ALSO-there is nothing else you buy besides medical care where you do not ask the price or to ask to see previous JOBS he has done.

Exactly right. :BigApplause:

[hypocritehunter]

And we already told you that we are not interested in supporting you needy people in America. It is not our responsibility to make things easier for you, just because you can't hack it in real life. This is a FREE country and making someone purchase something is not being FREE. Quit your bit*hing and crying and grow TFU!

Your program FAILED and is costing AMERICA and it's citizens too much. We were better off before ObieCare. You blind libtards will never get it. Just too naive to understand that we are not here to support you. Perhaps we should legalize post-natal abortion to get rid of the lazy.


Ok Trumpsters; is there one of you willing to answer this question? Billy Smith has no insurance, gets run over by a truck and is badly injured. Who pays for his health care? Or do you let him die on the side of the road?

[hypocritehunter]

That may be, but Harry's nuclear option will get rid of ObieCare. If the Democrats want to be responsible for being "obstructionists" then they can lose some more places in congress in 2018.

You were ok with republicans being obstructionists I'm sure you are ok with democrats doing the same. Goose and gander

[MDLNB]

You were ok with republicans being obstructionists I'm sure you are ok with democrats doing the same. Goose and gander

I'm fine with the self-destruction of the left. Have it your way and become permanent losers. If you all haven't learned your lesson by now, you deserve people like Pelosi and Chucky Shumer. Harry was a pitiful punk with a Napoleon complex. Too bad he is not staying. You libs need him as a reminder of what caused you all to lose again. :BigApplause:

[AJ32162]

Ok Trumpsters; is there one of you willing to answer this question? Billy Smith has no insurance, gets run over by a truck and is badly injured. Who pays for his health care? Or do you let him die on the side of the road?

If he is poor and qualifies, MEDICAID pays his bill. If not, the hospital treats him and sends him the bill.


How to Get Medical Treatment After an Accident Without Insurance - AllLaw.com (http://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/personal-injury/get-medical-treatment-after-accident-without-insurance.html#)


Who do you think pays the medical bills of illegal aliens?

[MDLNB]

If he is poor and qualifies, MEDICAID pays his bill. If not, the hospital treats him and sends him the bill.

Who do you think pays the medical bills of illegal aliens?

It won't be the libtards, that's for sure. They want the wealthy to pay for everything. Illegal Aliens should be treated in jail and then deported, regardless of how long they have been in the country or how many kids they spawned. That's the law and illegals are criminals.

[Cedwards38]

As was stated in the OP, the use of name calling in an argument is simply a pathetic and unintelligent way to compensate for lack of facts and rationale thought to support an argument. It says a lot about the poster and the poster's opinion when it is unsupported by documented reasons. Do we really have to be mean spirited simply because we disagree?

Now, to the question posed by the thread, I don't want anyone in America, a land of plenty, to have their life devastated physically or financially because they got sick or hurt. I want healthcare for everyone to be a right that we guarantee as a nation, and not a business that we manipulate for a profit. Is there a reason that the United States is ranked 43rd in the world in life expectancy at birth, behind so many countries that guarantee universal healthcare for it's citizens?

Life Expectancy for
Countries (http://www.infoplease.com/world/statistics/life-expectancy-country.html)

[Don Baldwin]

As was stated in the OP, the use of name calling in an argument is simply a pathetic and unintelligent way to compensate for lack of facts and rationale thought to support an argument. It says a lot about the poster and the poster's opinion when it is unsupported by documented reasons. Do we really have to be mean spirited simply because we disagree?

Now, to the question posed by the thread, I don't want anyone in America, a land of plenty, to have their life devastated physically or financially because they got sick or hurt. I want healthcare for everyone to be a right that we guarantee as a nation, and not a business that we manipulate for a profit. Is there a reason that the United States is ranked 43rd in the world in life expectancy at birth, behind so many countries that guarantee universal healthcare for it's citizens?

Life Expectancy for
Countries (http://www.infoplease.com/world/statistics/life-expectancy-country.html)

Yes...there IS an answer...only you won't like it. The answer is...the US has MANY more poor hispanic/black minorities that bring the statistics down for us. It's the SAME with numbers like education, happiness, crime, etc. ALL the numbers are skewed by the minorities. White countries do well...medium white (the US) do OK, and "dark" countries do poorly... Soon, we'll be doing poorly as the percentage of minorities goes up.

This is what ALWAYS happens...it's NOT different this time.

[ColdNoMore]

It won't be the libtards, that's for sure.

Found your photo. :D

[dirtbanker]

It says a lot about the poster and the poster's opinion when it is unsupported by documented reasons.

It is sort of like:someone on here posted a google search that buried your a$$ (or at least countered the point you were trying to make) and you never responded...

Your wish for medical care not to be run as a business for profit...will be nearly impossible, The hospitals, insurance companies, and medical professionals (nurses, techs, doctors) all want to make good money for their services. Remember as a kid how the parents wanted their kids to grow up to be rich doctors? Do you feel they should arbitrarily take a cut in pay? Maybe they all have to give up their lake homes, vacation condos, and drive $hitty cars, so people can have cheaper health care??

"spending on health care per capita in the U.S. is greater than all other OECD countries"

I wish they would have left it as it was prior to Obammacare, as it was cheaper. In 2013, my wife and I were age 50 and our healthcare per month was $750 with a $5500 deductible, today it is $1100 a month with the same deductible. Fortunately my wife and I are healthy, non obese, never smoked, no illness, no prescriptions...We have been to the doctor for preventive measures such as wellness check ups, detection blood tests (PSA), colonoscopy, ETC. I feel we are the ideal customer for the insurance company, and we are paying $13,200 a year (plus our $5500 deductible = $18,200) - That is a lot of money!

Does anyone remember any insurance companies bad mouthing Obammacare back in 2012-2013?? Me either!!

I wonder if any insurance companies donated to Obamma's election coffer, as he was guaranteeing them customers...

I hope Trump repeals Obammacare and gets the hell out of the medical care business.

The U.S. Health Care System: An International Perspective - DPEAFLCIO (http://dpeaflcio.org/programs-publications/issue-fact-sheets/the-u-s-health-care-system-an-international-perspective/)

[Cedwards38]

It is sort of like:someone on here posted a google search that buried your a$$ (or at least countered the point you were trying to make) and you never responded...

Your wish for medical care not to be run as a business for profit...will be nearly impossible, The hospitals, insurance companies, and medical professionals (nurses, techs, doctors) all want to make good money for their services. Remember as a kid how the parents wanted their kids to grow up to be rich doctors? Do you feel they should arbitrarily take a cut in pay? Maybe they all have to give up their lake homes, vacation condos, and drive $hitty cars, so people can have cheaper health care??

"spending on health care per capita in the U.S. is greater than all other OECD countries"

I wish they would have left it as it was prior to Obammacare, as it was cheaper. In 2013, my wife and I were age 50 and our healthcare per month was $750 with a $5500 deductible, today it is $1100 a month with the same deductible. Fortunately my wife and I are healthy, non obese, never smoked, no illness, no prescriptions...We have been to the doctor for preventive measures such as wellness check ups, detection blood tests (PSA), colonoscopy, ETC. I feel we are the ideal customer for the insurance company, and we are paying $13,200 a year (plus our $5500 deductible = $18,200) - That is a lot of money!

Does anyone remember any insurance companies bad mouthing Obammacare back in 2012-2013?? Me either!!

I wonder if any insurance companies donated to Obamma's election coffer, as he was guaranteeing them customers...

I hope Trump repeals Obammacare and gets the hell out of the medical care business.

The U.S. Health Care System: An International Perspective - DPEAFLCIO (http://dpeaflcio.org/programs-publications/issue-fact-sheets/the-u-s-health-care-system-an-international-perspective/)

Alright, you're going to have to help me. I've looked through this thread twice and I fail to see any link or reference to a "Google Search" to which you reference that buries the a$$ of me or anyone else who posits the initial point, which was:

The GOP is poised to repeal the ACA without any clear replacement and that is bad policy.

Perhaps I am mistaken, and if so you might be so kind as to direct me to that Google Search or post a link to it once again. And if I'm wrong then I apologize, but I feel compelled to state that even if my a$$ is buried, that is much preferable to showing my a$$ with unsubstantiated arguments.

The link to the article you posted, which made the point that "spending on health care per capita in the U.S. is greater than all other OECD countries" was good and provided me some insight. In fact I'll share some additional quotes from that same article as well:


"There were 32 million uninsured Americans in 2014, nine million fewer than the year prior. Experts attribute this sharp decline in the uninsured to the full implementation of the ACA in 2014. Of American adults who had health insurance in 2014, 73 percent had one or more full-time workers in the family and 12 percent had one or more part-time workers in the family. Just 49 percent of American adults reported getting health insurance from an employer in 2014.

Coverage by employer-provided insurance varies considerably by wage level. Firms with higher proportions of low-wage workers are less likely to provide access to health insurance than those with low-proportions of low-wage workers.

In 2014, 11.2 percent of full-time workers were without health insurance. However, the percentage of part-time workers without insurance was 17.7 percent, a significant decrease from 24 percent in 2013, thanks in part to the Affordable Care Act. The uninsured rate among those who had not worked at least one week also decreased from 22.2 percent in 2013 to 17.3 percent in 2014.

Smaller firms are significantly less likely to provide health benefits to full or part-time workers. Among all small firms (3-199 workers) in 2015, only 56 percent offered health coverage, compared to 98 percent of large firms.

After the Affordable Care Act allowed for many young adults (19-25) to remain on their parents’ health plans, there was a statistically significant increase in the percentage of insured young people from 68.3 percent in 2009[31] to 82.9 percent in 2014. Over the same period, the percentage of young people aged 26-34 with insurance increased from 70.9 percent to 81.8 percent.

Minorities and children are disproportionately uninsured. In 2014, 7.6 percent of non-Hispanic Whites were uninsured, 11.8 percent of Blacks were uninsured, 9.3 percent of Asians, and 19.9 percent of people of Hispanic origin were uninsured. The Kaiser Family Foundation has found that about 80 percent of the uninsured are U.S. citizens. Among children, six percent were uninsured in 2014. These children are 10 times more likely than insured children to have unmet medical needs and are five times as likely as an insured child to go more than two years without seeing a doctor.

Women in the individual market often faced higher premiums than men for the same coverage. Beginning in 2014, the Affordable Care Act banned this practice, as well as denying coverage for pre-existing conditions.

In 2014, 19.3 percent of the population living below 100 percent of the poverty line ($23,550 a year for a family of four) was uninsured. According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, 90 percent of the uninsured have family incomes within 400 percent of the federal poverty level. This makes them eligible for either subsidized coverage through tax credits or expanded Medicaid eligibility under the Affordable Care Act’s state health exchanges."

[rjm1cc]

I'm a Democrat, and compared to many of you I'm quite liberal in my political thought. I'm proud of that.

Now I know that most Republicans don't agree with my politics, but that doesn't make them stupid, mean, or self-centered. It just makes them different, and, in my opinion, wrong. Hooray for open and respectful political discourse, which has become so hard to find in America today where we treat our political party like our favorite sports team, and winning is the only objective.

So go ahead and call me a libtard, moron, Communist, wussy, or whatever you wish, but know that when you do I simply laugh at the inability of some of you to argue with facts so you resort to name calling.

MY POINT: I am concerned about vast numbers of Americans losing health insurance coverage and I suspect that many Republicans are as well. To repeal the ACA without a clear, detailed, and workable alternative to implement immediately is simply politics rather than good policy. The GOP will own that. Forget about the name "Obamacare" that inflames so many critics of the President, and just read some facts in the article below about the ACA. Thanks!

Republicans call Obamacare a 'failure.' These 7 charts show they couldn't be more wrong - LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-obamacare-charts-20170104-story.html)

I worked for a company that employed about 500 employees. About 50% were part time by their choice. In fact the hourly pay went up after 20 hours for the week. You also got time off with pay for hours worked.

But with the 30 hour rule we had to split the part time employees into two groups. Those we would not let work 30 hours a week and those we wanted to work as many hours as they wanted. However if you want more than 30 yours you had to commit to that every week and if you did not we would have to fire you to avoid the health insurance costs. Thus you might have insurance but not a job. Then your earnings are going to be too low to get a subsidy for your health insurance and you will have no health insurance and no job. Unfortunately their is a lot to all the rules that have been put in place and they are not friendly to job creation.

[dirtbanker]

Alright, you're going to have to help me. I've looked through this thread twice and I fail to see any link or reference to a "Google Search" to which you reference that buries the a$$ of me or anyone else who posits the initial point, which was:

The GOP is poised to repeal the ACA without any clear replacement and that is bad policy.

Perhaps I am mistaken, and if so you might be so kind as to direct me to that Google Search or post a link to it once again. And if I'm wrong then I apologize, but I feel compelled to state that even if my a$$ is buried, that is much preferable to showing my a$$ with unsubstantiated arguments.

The link to the article you posted, which made the point that "spending on health care per capita in the U.S. is greater than all other OECD countries" was good and provided me some insight. In fact I'll share some additional quotes from that same article as well:


"There were 32 million uninsured Americans in 2014, nine million fewer than the year prior. Experts attribute this sharp decline in the uninsured to the full implementation of the ACA in 2014. Of American adults who had health insurance in 2014, 73 percent had one or more full-time workers in the family and 12 percent had one or more part-time workers in the family. Just 49 percent of American adults reported getting health insurance from an employer in 2014.

Coverage by employer-provided insurance varies considerably by wage level. Firms with higher proportions of low-wage workers are less likely to provide access to health insurance than those with low-proportions of low-wage workers.

In 2014, 11.2 percent of full-time workers were without health insurance. However, the percentage of part-time workers without insurance was 17.7 percent, a significant decrease from 24 percent in 2013, thanks in part to the Affordable Care Act. The uninsured rate among those who had not worked at least one week also decreased from 22.2 percent in 2013 to 17.3 percent in 2014.

Smaller firms are significantly less likely to provide health benefits to full or part-time workers. Among all small firms (3-199 workers) in 2015, only 56 percent offered health coverage, compared to 98 percent of large firms.

After the Affordable Care Act allowed for many young adults (19-25) to remain on their parents’ health plans, there was a statistically significant increase in the percentage of insured young people from 68.3 percent in 2009[31] to 82.9 percent in 2014. Over the same period, the percentage of young people aged 26-34 with insurance increased from 70.9 percent to 81.8 percent.

Minorities and children are disproportionately uninsured. In 2014, 7.6 percent of non-Hispanic Whites were uninsured, 11.8 percent of Blacks were uninsured, 9.3 percent of Asians, and 19.9 percent of people of Hispanic origin were uninsured. The Kaiser Family Foundation has found that about 80 percent of the uninsured are U.S. citizens. Among children, six percent were uninsured in 2014. These children are 10 times more likely than insured children to have unmet medical needs and are five times as likely as an insured child to go more than two years without seeing a doctor.

Women in the individual market often faced higher premiums than men for the same coverage. Beginning in 2014, the Affordable Care Act banned this practice, as well as denying coverage for pre-existing conditions.

In 2014, 19.3 percent of the population living below 100 percent of the poverty line ($23,550 a year for a family of four) was uninsured. According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, 90 percent of the uninsured have family incomes within 400 percent of the federal poverty level. This makes them eligible for either subsidized coverage through tax credits or expanded Medicaid eligibility under the Affordable Care Act’s state health exchanges."

The post in question might be in another thread...you did not respond to it, not worth the effort to look for it.

Thanks for all that meaningless information that you dragged out of the document I linked. If I ever need someone to pre read the newspaper for me and decide what I need to focus on you will be at the top of my thoughts.

You got so excited with the information, you never responded to my questions or comments...

To summarize all the data you have compiled:

There were more people that got healthcare because many no longer had the choice to not have it. The poor already had health care thru Medicaid.

Your data does not tell me how to get my health care back to an affordable rate. In fact it infers that you and the rest of the Dems are on a crusade to give people too lazy to work, or too stupid to find a job, heath care. All the while the piece of $hit is smoking cigarettes, drinking liquor, doing drugs, and over eating. They don't care about themselves, and I don't care enough about those people to pay for their health care.

If you feel so sorry for them, and want to pay for their health care, do it with your own money!

Go ahead impress us with all the charitable donations you have given to people that have no health care...

[MDLNB]

It is sort of like:someone on here posted a google search that buried your a$$ (or at least countered the point you were trying to make) and you never responded...

Your wish for medical care not to be run as a business for profit...will be nearly impossible, The hospitals, insurance companies, and medical professionals (nurses, techs, doctors) all want to make good money for their services. Remember as a kid how the parents wanted their kids to grow up to be rich doctors? Do you feel they should arbitrarily take a cut in pay? Maybe they all have to give up their lake homes, vacation condos, and drive $hitty cars, so people can have cheaper health care??

"spending on health care per capita in the U.S. is greater than all other OECD countries"

I wish they would have left it as it was prior to Obammacare, as it was cheaper. In 2013, my wife and I were age 50 and our healthcare per month was $750 with a $5500 deductible, today it is $1100 a month with the same deductible. Fortunately my wife and I are healthy, non obese, never smoked, no illness, no prescriptions...We have been to the doctor for preventive measures such as wellness check ups, detection blood tests (PSA), colonoscopy, ETC. I feel we are the ideal customer for the insurance company, and we are paying $13,200 a year (plus our $5500 deductible = $18,200) - That is a lot of money!

Does anyone remember any insurance companies bad mouthing Obammacare back in 2012-2013?? Me either!!

I wonder if any insurance companies donated to Obamma's election coffer, as he was guaranteeing them customers...

I hope Trump repeals Obammacare and gets the hell out of the medical care business.

The U.S. Health Care System: An International Perspective - DPEAFLCIO (http://dpeaflcio.org/programs-publications/issue-fact-sheets/the-u-s-health-care-system-an-international-perspective/)

You have an excellent point regarding insurance companies.

Remember how AARP endorsed ObieCare? I do and that caused a lot of people to think twice before joining them. I refused based solely on their getting involved in liberal politics. AARP knew what Obiecare would do to boost their health insurance supplement plans.

[MDLNB]

As was stated in the OP, the use of name calling in an argument is simply a pathetic and unintelligent way to compensate for lack of facts and rationale thought to support an argument. It says a lot about the poster and the poster's opinion when it is unsupported by documented reasons. Do we really have to be mean spirited simply because we disagree?

Now, to the question posed by the thread, I don't want anyone in America, a land of plenty, to have their life devastated physically or financially because they got sick or hurt. I want healthcare for everyone to be a right that we guarantee as a nation, and not a business that we manipulate for a profit. Is there a reason that the United States is ranked 43rd in the world in life expectancy at birth, behind so many countries that guarantee universal healthcare for it's citizens?

Life Expectancy for
Countries (http://www.infoplease.com/world/statistics/life-expectancy-country.html)

Spoken by a true socialist. Putin would be so proud of you.

[MDLNB]

Repeal Obamacare. We were better off without it.

[Cedwards38]

Spoken by a true socialist. Putin would be so proud of you.

I guess that means Trump would be proud of me as well since he admires Vladimir so much!

[Chi-Town]

Repeal Obamacare. We were better off without it.

Let's see MD, you've had knee and shoulder operations and have a hearing disability. And you want to deny people their access to health care? Tsk Tsk.


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[MDLNB]

Let's see MD, you've had knee and shoulder operations and have a hearing disability. And you want to deny people their access to health care? Tsk Tsk.


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??????????? You must be confused again.

But, I have never said anything about denying anyone heath care. Obamacare caused millions to lose their insurance and then it was mandated under penalty of a fine that they had to purchase insurance.