The Wall pt. 2

[Chi-Town]

You need to see pt. 1

Pt 2 to follow

Trump: Mexico will build the wall - YouTube (https://youtu.be/P7cpIYyuv9w)

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[Chi-Town]

Pt. 2. Whoa! What happened?

Paying for Trump’s wall: Don’t let an absurd promise distract us from a terrible policy decision - Salon.com (http://www.salon.com/2017/01/07/paying-for-trumps-wall-dont-let-an-absurd-promise-distract-us-from-a-terrible-policy-decision/)

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[jimbo2012]

Salon.com

worse than CNN if that's possible

[Chi-Town]

Here's the point: Trump touted his big beautiful wall. It was a batte cry followed by a chant. "Who's going to pay for the wall? Mexico! Over and over from rally to rally. Now we're going to pay for it. Of course, Mexico will pay us back.

It's hard to keep a straight face thinking of that last sentence.


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[Taltarzac725]

Here's the point: Trump touted his big beautiful wall. It was a batte cry followed by a chant. "Who's going to pay for the wall? Mexico! Over and over from rally to rally. Now we're going to pay for it. Of course, Mexico will pay us back.

It's hard to keep a straight face thinking of that last sentence.


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With what $1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 pesos?

[rustyp]

Here's the point: Trump touted his big beautiful wall. It was a batte cry followed by a chant. "Who's going to pay for the wall? Mexico! Over and over from rally to rally. Now we're going to pay for it. Of course, Mexico will pay us back.

It's hard to keep a straight face thinking of that last sentence.


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I chuckle every time I hear the Mexicans are going to pay for it. Pardon my naivety but if the Mexicans are going to pay for it wouldn't they build it so they can keep control of it.

[janmcn]

I chuckle every time I hear the Mexicans are going to pay for it. Pardon my naivety but if the Mexicans are going to pay for it wouldn't they build it so they can keep control of it.


If Mexicans are going to pay for it, why do they keep saying they are not going to pay for it? It will be very interesting if Speaker Ryan goes along with Trump's plan.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

We will pay for the wall and the Mexicans will pay us back through tariffs and taxes on their goods and by cutting off money transfers from people working here back to their families in Mexico.

The dishonest media does not report that any money spent on building the Great Wall (for sake of speed), will be paid back by Mexico later!

Honestly, I think that people only listen to one point of view. Some only listen to half a story.

[jimbo2012]

exactly

[Henryk]

We will pay for the wall and the Mexicans will pay us back through tariffs and taxes on their goods and by cutting off money transfers from people working here back to their families in Mexico.

The dishonest media does not report that any money spent on building the Great Wall (for sake of speed), will be paid back by Mexico later!

Honestly, I think that people only listen to one point of view. Some only listen to half a story.

Even the orange-faced pig cannot cut off transfers of personal funds. Besides, there will never be a wall.

[jimbo2012]

Even the orange-faced pig

Hey jerk, he's our president, show some respect like him or not.

Or get out of the USA

[Henryk]

Hey jerk, he's our president, show some respect like him or not.

Or get out of the USA

Yes, he's the president. We now have a president who is an orange-faced pig. Get over it.

[jimbo2012]

UnAmerican jerk

[janmcn]

Hey jerk, he's our president, show some respect like him or not.

Or get out of the USA


Winning the election was the easy part, earning the respect of the American people is now Trump's challenge.

[jimbo2012]

Agree, but civility aside, name calling is un-warranted

[ColdNoMore]

We will pay for the wall and the Mexicans will pay us back through tariffs and taxes on their goods and by cutting off money transfers from people working here back to their families in Mexico.

The dishonest media does not report that any money spent on building the Great Wall (for sake of speed), will be paid back by Mexico later!
Bull$hit. :oops:

Trump asking Congress, not Mexico, to pay for border wall - CNNPolitics.com (http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/politics/border-wall-house-republicans-donald-trump-taxpayers/)

Trump himself has estimated his border wall would cost $8 billion, though other analysts have estimated the price would be as much as $10 billion.

And the proposals Trump has outlined to coerce Mexico into paying for the wall involve controversial measures that would still likely fail to cover the wall's full cost.

According to Trump's website, those steps could include: remittance seizure, potential tariffs and foreign aids cuts, increasing fees on temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats, increasing fees on border crossing cards, increasing fees on NAFTA worker visas; and increasing fees at ports of entry to the US from Mexico.

A major challenge for judging Trump's proposal is that most of those steps amount to a drop in the bucket -- less than $1 billion -- compared to the proposed cost of the wall. And the one step that could provide the required amount of money -- remittance seizure -- would face major legal obstacles, in addition to the likelihood of severe domestic and international backlash.

Total US foreign aid to Mexico is less than $200 million a year ($186,000,000 in the 2014 fiscal year), so redirecting all of that money to a border wall would only put a mild dent in the $8 billion bill. And it's difficult to know the amount of revenue generated from a tariff on Mexican exports -- or to account for potential losses from a retaliatory tariff -- without the specifics of the tax.

Moving next to fee increases, Trump says on his website that "even a small increase in visa fees would pay for the wall. This includes fees on border crossing cards, of which more than 1 million are issued a year." But the fees for visas and border crossing cards range from around $150 to $200 each, according to State Department data. Accounting for all the fees on over a million border crossing cards and visas in a year year -- and even accounting for a twofold increase in those fees -- that would still only generate about half a billion dollars, well short of an $8 billion price tag.

The biggest potential source of money for the wall would come from remittance seizure: remittance payments are money that immigrants, legal and illegal, earn in their country of residence and send back to their families in their native country.

According to the bank of Mexico, Mexico received $24.8 billion in remittance payments in 2015. A Fox News Latino report calculated that 97% of remittance payments received by Mexico in the first three months of 2015 came from the US, and the Pew Research Center similarly reported that "nearly all" of Mexico's remittance payment revenue comes from the U.S." Seizing all of that money would probably be more than enough to pay for the border wall.

Trump says on his website that he would use the Patriot Act to require legal identification for money transfer transactions, according to his website. But CNN legal analyst Paul Callan says Trump's plan would likely face multiple legal battles.

"The Mexican immigrants Trump seeks to target are clearly not the 'Radical Islamic Terrorists' that the Patriot Act was designed to fight," says Callan. "The courts are likely to view Mr. Trump's use of the always controversial Patriot Act as an improper and illegal use. The proposal may also fail to place pressure on the Mexican government as money can be smuggled back to Mexico in many other creative ways if wire transfers are cut."

The size of Mexico's remittance revenue far surpasses any other revenue-raising proposal from Trump, and would probably be the most effective way to pay for the border wall. But looking at the obstacles that such an action would face, it's difficult to envision a path to impounding those payments to pay for the wall.

The bottom line is that Trump made a promise that he knew he couldn't keep and that there were actually millions of people...who believed him.

It doesn't really matter though...as his cultists will still support him.



Honestly, I think that people only listen to one point of view. Some only listen to half a story.

Well, you got one thing correct. :thumbup:

Pretty sure you didn't mean to talk about yourself that way...but that's what you ended up doing. :D

[hypocritehunter]

Salon.com

worse than CNN if that's possible

I assume you think CNN is part of the liberal lame street media; so where do you get your news? Please enlighten us. What news sources do you get all your factual information?

[hypocritehunter]

We will pay for the wall and the Mexicans will pay us back through tariffs and taxes on their goods and by cutting off money transfers from people working here back to their families in Mexico.

The dishonest media does not report that any money spent on building the Great Wall (for sake of speed), will be paid back by Mexico later!

Honestly, I think that people only listen to one point of view. Some only listen to half a story.

I think Trump also said he would have Mexico pay for the wall about the time he releases his taxes. :1rotfl:

[Warren Kiefer]

hey jerk, he's our president, show some respect like him or not.

Or get out of the usa

how about you gett9ing out and take your idiot leader with you. I suggest russia where you will have friends !!!

[Chi-Town]

Hey jerk, he's our president, show some respect like him or not.

Or get out of the USA
J-Bo, where were you for the last eight years. How much respect did you show?

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[Chi-Town]

We will pay for the wall and the Mexicans will pay us back through tariffs and taxes on their goods and by cutting off money transfers from people working here back to their families in Mexico.

The dishonest media does not report that any money spent on building the Great Wall (for sake of speed), will be paid back by Mexico later!

Honestly, I think that people only listen to one point of view. Some only listen to half a story.

Dr.Jr., that is an unbelievable scenario but quite entertaining. You pretty much echoed Trump's tweets. And that's entertainment.

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[ColdNoMore]

Dr.Jr., that is an unbelievable scenario but quite entertaining. You pretty much echoed Trump's tweets. And that's entertainment.


I know...right? :1rotfl: :1rotfl:

[MDLNB]

Yes, he's the president. We now have a president who is an orange-faced pig. Get over it.

Racist. Bigot.

[MDLNB]

Here's the point: Trump touted his big beautiful wall. It was a batte cry followed by a chant. "Who's going to pay for the wall? Mexico! Over and over from rally to rally. Now we're going to pay for it. Of course, Mexico will pay us back.

It's hard to keep a straight face thinking of that last sentence.


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The money was already allocated by congress for the wall/fence/barrier. It will be built and then Mexico will pay for it by fees and taxes. Only a dumb @ss libtard would be stupid enough not to understand that. But then................

[MDLNB]

Dr.Jr., that is an unbelievable scenario but quite entertaining. You pretty much echoed Trump's tweets. And that's entertainment.

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Obviously, ignorance in the guise of Chicago humor. Really, really you should abstain from commenting if you are going to show your @ss..........:D

[ColdNoMore]

The money was already allocated by congress for the wall/fence/barrier. It will be built and then Mexico will pay for it by fees and taxes. Only a dumb @ss libtard would be stupid enough not to understand that. But then................

Obviously, ignorance in the guise of Chicago humor. Really, really you should abstain from commenting if you are going to show your @ss..........

Oh the ignorance and irony. :1rotfl: :1rotfl:


Go read post #16. ;)

[MDLNB]

I know...right? :1rotfl: :1rotfl:

Wow, now I know where I recognize you two from

[MDLNB]

Oh the ignorance and irony. :1rotfl: :1rotfl:


Go read post #16. ;)

Maybe if you didn't spend all your time playing with yourself, not only would you be able to see better, but hear better also and would not spend all your time on here without at least checking other venues of information. Sorry, I suddenly realized that if you were intelligent enough to accept advice, you wouldn't be a TROLL and actually be able to exchange logical and knowledgeable conversation.

I find it humorous that the left is attempting to chastise Trump for asking Congress to begin the wall construction and that he would get Mexico to pay the bill later. If you thought that he would not be able to build the wall ,then you should be happy, not throwing stones. I think that you all are really, really scared that he will succeed where Obie failed miserably.

By the way, the cost of the wall will be a pittance compared to what we spend on illegals. Even if the wall cost billions, the savings would pay for it in a matter of a couple of years. Chalk the money off to crime prevention. After all, illegals are criminals and anyone hiring them are criminals.