Another One Bites The Dust

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I guess Governor Mark Sanford's name can be scratched from the list of those who might provide renewed leadership to the GOP in 2010 and 2012. If you recall, there was more than a little conversation from the "Republican base" regarding drafting Sanford to run for the White House back when the campaign for the 2008 election was heating up. It will be interesting to see how the Christian right reacts. The movement's leaders were so keen on Sanford during the 2008 presidential cycle—and so unenthusiastic about the rest of the Republican field—that they tried to draft him to run for the White House.

A 2007 New York Times article broke the story on the draft-Sanford movement:

"A group of influential Christian conservatives and their allies emerged from a private meeting at a Florida resort this month dissatisfied with the Republican presidential field and uncertain where to turn.

The event was a meeting of the Council for National Policy, a secretive club whose few hundred members include Dr. James C. Dobson of Focus on the Family, the Rev. Jerry Falwell of Liberty University and Grover Norquist of Americans for Tax Reform. Although little known outside the conservative movement, the council has become a pivotal stop for Republican presidential primary hopefuls, including George W. Bush on the eve of his 1999 primary campaign."

I wonder what Rush, Sean, Ann and Bill will have to ay about this...if anything.

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I guess Governor Mark Sanford's name can be scratched from the list of those who might provide renewed leadership to the GOP in 2010 and 2012. If you recall, there was more than a little conversation from the "Republican base" regarding drafting Sanford to run for the White House back when the campaign for the 2008 election was heating up. It will be interesting to see how the Christian right reacts. The movement's leaders were so keen on Sanford during the 2008 presidential cycle—and so unenthusiastic about the rest of the Republican field—that they tried to draft him to run for the White House.

A 2007 New York Times article broke the story on the draft-Sanford movement:

"A group of influential Christian conservatives and their allies emerged from a private meeting at a Florida resort this month dissatisfied with the Republican presidential field and uncertain where to turn.

The event was a meeting of the Council for National Policy, a secretive club whose few hundred members include Dr. James C. Dobson of Focus on the Family, the Rev. Jerry Falwell of Liberty University and Grover Norquist of Americans for Tax Reform. Although little known outside the conservative movement, the council has become a pivotal stop for Republican presidential primary hopefuls, including George W. Bush on the eve of his 1999 primary campaign."

I wonder what Rush, Sean, Ann and Bill will have to ay about this...if anything.


Dont care and hope nobody else does what the list you supplied say about any of this.

This is what happens to BOTH PARTIES so many times. I guess what they say about power being a great turn on is true.

It is amazing over the years how many get caught...somebody will find out eventually....Clinton and Edwards thought they were immune because of the loftiness of their stature. It never works...so this guy can join the other governors who drop like flies..at least Spitzer was contibuting to our free enterprise system :)

Perhaps Sen Ensign can do lunch with Sanford one day !!!

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As a GOP woman I hope Sanford is afflicted with permanent E.D. I also hope Jenny takes him for everything he has and that his Latin doctor has to support him.
Mrs. tghoul

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Things happen in Threes.
Who is the next Shooting Star?
Imagine a Presedential Candidate just taking off because of the heat in the Kiitchen? Guess the best thing to do is not enter the Kitchen.
Some of these GOP's are scary. Does this mean Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity etc. are the best they have??:cus::cus:

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As a GOP woman I hope Sanford is afflicted with permanent E.D. I also hope Jenny takes him for everything he has and that his Latin doctor has to support him.
Mrs. tghoul

I totally agree with the E.D and taking him for everything he has....


LOL...

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I totally agree with the E.D and taking him for everything he has....


LOL...

I don't know what ED is but it sounds very hateful to wish it on somebody.

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I don't know what ED is but it sounds very hateful to wish it on somebody.


I think I just figured out what ED stands for, and it is not a nice thing !! :)

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Kahuna:

Look -- He's just another guy with who can't keep 'it' where it belongs. Not good character to say the least. Thankfully, this came out sooner than later.

What I'd be more worried about if I were you is what the idiot we DO have in office is doing to this country, along with his band of thugs in Congress and ACORN. Barnie is up to his old tricks of relaxing rules again at Fannie and Freddie. You know, the thing that kicked off this mess.

Just so you know, Drudge and Sean, and Rush, et al will all speak out about this. It's not US against THEM. Americans should join together and get rid of this mess in Washington in 2010 no matter what party.

Obama does not want the citizens united. Divided is how we will fall just like all the rest of the Socialist, Fascist, Marxist countries. Know history and you will see what Obama and his ilk have in mind. Is that what you want?

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I think I just figured out what ED stands for, and it is not a nice thing !! :)

Well, whatever it is I wouldn't wish on the Banking Queen, Barney Frank. Or would I?????

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And all you so high and mighty think it was OK for Bill Clinton. And why didn't you want Hilary to take him for everything he had? And did you wish ED on him? Such a double standard that I just can't waste my time reading anything else on this forum. May I never be dumb enough to open a political forum post again.

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Kahuna:

Look -- He's just another guy with who can't keep 'it' where it belongs. Not good character to say the least. Thankfully, this came out sooner than later.

What I'd be more worried about if I were you is what the idiot we DO have in office is doing to this country, along with his band of thugs in Congress and ACORN. Barnie is up to his old tricks of relaxing rules again at Fannie and Freddie. You know, the thing that kicked off this mess.

Just so you know, Drudge and Sean, and Rush, et al will all speak out about this. It's not US against THEM. Americans should join together and get rid of this mess in Washington in 2010 no matter what party.

Obama does not want the citizens united. Divided is how we will fall just like all the rest of the Socialist, Fascist, Marxist countries. Know history and you will see what Obama and his ilk have in mind. Is that what you want?

You make a fantastic point RETIRED GUY.....who do we want in power in WashDc.....Barney Frank or Mark Sanford ?

Easy question to answer for me !

Great post

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Sanford deserves whatever he gets. Cheating on your family for any reason is inexcusable and I hope he gets taken to the cleaners, not only for betraying his family but for betraying his party as well. He's a dog.

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How many of the 545 have skeletons in or out of their closets that most of the American public would find offensive? Seems like there's a new one "outed" every couple of months. Many of the most prominent in the last couple of years have been Republicans, but I don't think for a minute that the peccadilloes of our national leadership are limited only to one political party.

What's scary is that this seems to be the best this country can produce as it's political leadership. Maybe we have to begin to differentiate between their flaws as they become evident. You know--stealing or selling your vote is really bad, but just getting caught with your zipper down or lying on your Congressional expense account is not enough to get too agitated about.

I hope it doesn't come to that.

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Nothing like a good scandal to take people's eye off of Obama's shenanigans.

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...who do we want in power in WashDc.....Barney Frank or Mark Sanford ?...Easy question to answer for me !Me too, Bucco. Neither one of them!

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How many of the 545 have skeletons in or out of their closets that most of the American public would find offensive? Seems like there's a new one "outed" every couple of months. Many of the most prominent in the last couple of years have been Republicans, but I don't think for a minute that the peccadilloes of our national leadership are limited only to one political party.

What's scary is that this seems to be the best this country can produce as it's political leadership. Maybe we have to begin to differentiate between their flaws as they become evident. You know--stealing or selling your vote is really bad, but just getting caught with your zipper down is not too bad.

I hope it doesn't come to that.

I think that they are making too much of the whole thing...John Kennedy could not keep it in his pants and he was "high" on medication all the time. Everybody likes to idolize him but to me he was just another politician. His brother has been riding his coattails for over 40 years.
Funny how history treats certain politicians....

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Nothing like a good scandal to take people's eye off of Obama's shenanigans.

Hey! How did B.O. get dragged into this one?

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SC has a new Governor. :crap2:
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/231688/june-23-2009/governor-alert---the-search-for-mark-sanford

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Me too, Bucco. Neither one of them!

Not often but we agree !!! :)

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Hey! How did B.O. get dragged into this one?

Now you know how President Bush felt.....He got blamed for everything. Him and Cheney had a hurricane machine and made Katrina. :crap2:

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Here is a better newscast:
http://www.youtube.com/v/mT8WhH7VdIM&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&feature=player_embedded&fs=1

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SC newspaper has published emails between Sanford and his friend..................


http://www.islandpacket.com/189/story/885382.html

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Now you know how President Bush felt.....He got blamed for everything. Him and Cheney had a hurricane machine and made Katrina. :crap2:

Nobody said they made Katrina....they just didn't send any help. Period

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Again, just to keep it real. Period.

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin(D) was also criticized for failing to implement his evacuation plan and for ordering residents to a shelter of last resort without any provisions for food, water, security, or sanitary conditions. Perhaps the most important criticism of Nagin is that he delayed his emergency evacuation order until less than a day before landfall, which led to hundreds of deaths of people who (by that time) could not find any way out of the city. Adding to the criticism was the broadcast of school bus parking lots full of yellow school buses which Mayor Nagin refused to be used in evacuation. When asked why the buses were not used to assist evacuations instead of holing up in the Superdome, lack of insurance liability was given as a reason.

President Bush signed a $10.5 billion relief package within four days of the hurricane, Within 1–2 days of the hurricane, National Guard troops arrived with relief packages, and participated in security and rescue operations.

Official requests for help through the proper chains of command were not forthcoming due to local and state delays in engaging FEMA for federal assistance, even after approached by such authorities. Local police and other EMS workers found the situation traumatic; at least two officers committed suicide, and over 300 deserted the city after gang violence and "turf wars" erupted around the city.

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Nobody said they made Katrina....they just didn't send any help. Period

Didn't send any help. Period. Do you say these outrageous things to get a rise from people or do you really believe them. You need to be more diversified in your news gathering.:shocked:

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Nobody said they made Katrina....they just didn't send any help. Period
That's incorrect. The fed cannot usurp the local authorities who - at the city, parish and state level - totally dropped the ball and didn't give the fed the necessary authorizations until the inevitable happened. And then the fed had to work almost totally without coordination with the city and state authorities who should have been in place.

When the Coast Guard has to rescue 30,000 people from rooftops, that's fairly good testimony on the failure of the city, parish and state governments there.

People are still giving the Mayor of New Orleans and the former Governor a free pass, forgetting about the how disaster declarations are made and what is required (basically, state permission) for the fed to support or intervene. Is the Free pass due to the Mayor and prior Governor being Democrats, you think?

Was the fed actions perfect? No, but it sure would have been a far sight easier on the populace had the Mayor and former Governor not failed their constituents.

And here we go again. another politician is caught "straying," but since he's a non-Democrat, all of the claws come out. At least he admitted knowing the definition of "sex."

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Do you say these outrageous things to get a rise from people or do you really believe them. You need to be more diversified in your news gathering.:shocked:


Have you seen the 9th Ward?.....How about the FEMA trailers.

It was a still is a disgrace.

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Have you seen the 9th Ward?.....How about the FEMA trailers.

It was a still is a disgrace.

Have you seen what the State of Louisiana has done there, or the city government? The last time I checked, neither Louisiana nor any of its cities were federal trust territories or national parks. The responsibility for clean-up is still the local government's, and that's why they get federal aid. That's why there IS local government - everything is not a federal responsibility.

The FEMA trailers having problems caught everyone by surprise, but the fact that people have been living in them for years is not a fed problem.

If you think the fed is the responsible government level for all actions and events, then perhaps the state and local governments should be disbanded for being functionally useless - and Washington should run everything local as well. After all, if the fed is going to get all of the blame, they should get at least some of the authority to act.

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then perhaps the state and local governments should be disbanded for being functionally useless - and Washington should run everything local as well.

Isn't that BO's ultimate dream? ;)

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That's incorrect. The fed cannot usurp the local authorities who - at the city, parish and state level - totally dropped the ball and didn't give the fed the necessary authorizations...Absolutley correct, Steve. A couple of anecdotes from Katrina...

-- Our former Congressman in Illinois, Mark Kirk, is also a Captain in the USNR and was on duty at the Pentagon as Katrina was hitting New Orleans. Whatever unit or office he was with had something to do with the federal response. He told me that they sat for hours, asking themselves why th Mayor or the Governor were taking so long to make the evacuation mandatory, open all six lanes of the interstate to outbound traffic, or request federal or military assistance. The people in the Pentagon couldn't tell them what to do; in fact he said that they couldn't even get thru to them on their cell phones. Rather they had to wait until they were asked for help--and it was days before they ever got a request from the locals. He described Mayor Nagin as "one of the most incompetent public officials" he'd ever encountered.

-- A group of EMS technicians from the South Bend, Indiana area, recognizing that they would be needed, loaded up four fire trucks with first aid equipment, water, food, etc. and headed for New Orleans. When they got there, they were not permitted to enter the city. The local police and fire department told them that everything was under control and that they weren't needed. After four days of sitting outside of town, they turned around and headed back to South Bend.

-- A group of doctors and nurses from the Pacific Northwest loaded up lots of medical supplies and flew to New Orleans at their own expense. On their arrival, they were told that they couldn't practice medicine in Louisiana until they had obtained the proper state licenses. No one volunteered to assist them in getting the necessary documentation, so after five days they headed back to Seattle, never having treated even one person.

-- The Lake County Illinois police helicopter detachment took off with three helicopters, pilots, mechanics and EMS personnel just as Katrina was hitting New Orleans. Many of the rescues that you saw on TV were performed by this group. They reported flying the 'copters almost 24 hours a days for three days and rescued almost 1,000 people. When asked a few weeks later how they were able to get involved in the rescue effort when so many other volunteers were turned away they answered, "We never asked anyone. We just flew in and began picking people up."

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Have you seen the 9th Ward?.....How about the FEMA trailers.

It was a still is a disgrace.

Like the two gentlemen above me said...blame the local authorities.

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Absolutley correct, Steve. A couple of anecdotes from Katrina...

-- Our former Congressman in Illinois, Mark Kirk, is also a Captain in the USNR and was on duty at the Pentagon as Katrina was hitting New Orleans. Whatever unit or office he was with had something to do with the federal response. He told me that they sat for hours, asking themselves why th Mayor or the Governor were taking so long to make the evacuation mandatory, open all six lanes of the interstate to outbound traffic, or request federal or military assistance. The people in the Pentagon couldn't tell them what to do; in fact he said that they couldn't even get thru to them on their cell phones. Rather they had to wait until they were asked for help--and it was days before they ever got a request from the locals. He described Mayor Nagin as "one of the most incompetent public officials" he'd ever encountered.

-- A group of EMS technicians from the South Bend, Indiana area, recognizing that they would be needed, loaded up four fire trucks with first aid equipment, water, food, etc. and headed for New Orleans. When they got there, they were not permitted to enter the city. The local police and fire department told them that everything was under control and that they weren't needed. After four days of sitting outside of town, they turned around and headed back to South Bend.

-- A group of doctors and nurses from the Pacific Northwest loaded up lots of medical supplies and flew to New Orleans at their own expense. On their arrival, they were told that they couldn't practice medicine in Louisiana until they had obtained the proper state licenses. No one volunteered to assist them in getting the necessary documentation, so after five days they headed back to Seattle, never having treated even one person.

-- The Lake County Illinois police helicopter detachment took off with three helicopters, pilots, mechanics and EMS personnel just as Katrina was hitting New Orleans. Many of the rescues that you saw on TV were performed by this group. They reported flying the 'copters almost 24 hours a days for three days and rescued almost 1,000 people. When asked a few weeks later how they were able to get involved in the rescue effort when so many other volunteers were turned away they answered, "We never asked anyone. We just flew in and began picking people up."



It is a shame what the media did with this story, and we still believe that they will report the truth !!!

And since this thread has gone astray anyway....re electing that mayor in New Orleans, to me anyway, was truely a reflection of how people vote !

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It is a shame what the media did with this story, and we still believe that they will report the truth !!!

And since this thread has gone astray anyway....re electing that mayor in New Orleans, to me anyway, was truely a reflection of how people vote !

They re elected the mayor? I didn't know that. Shameful.

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If Sanford was a Democrat his affair would be a resume enhancer. Having said that, he needs to go. For the record, Sean Hannity and Michelle Malkin both raked him over the coals. What's with these politicians??? Are any of them faithful???
Thanks for the clarification of Katrina. I'm so sick of hearing how awful Bush handled it. There are plenty of things to blame him for, but that wasn't one of them.

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If Sanford was a Democrat his affair would be a resume enhancer. Having said that, he needs to go. For the record, Sean Hannity and Michelle Malkin both raked him over the coals. What's with these politicians??? Are any of them faithful???
Thanks for the clarification of Katrina. I'm so sick of hearing how awful Bush handled it. There are plenty of things to blame him for, but that wasn't one of them.

Acutally he must have changed parties because Fox Noise has him labeled as a Democrat.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq115/cologal_223/s-SANFORD-large.jpg

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Acutally he must have changed parties because Fox Noise has him labeled as a Democrat.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq115/cologal_223/s-SANFORD-large.jpg

My response to that is to not respond.:evil6:

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My response to that is to not respond.:evil6:

They seem to do that in sex scandals.....just a slip of the finger.:22yikes:

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq115/cologal_223/s-FOLEY-large.jpg

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To paraphase Bill Clinton, "It's the hypocrisy, stupid." When the mighty eet themselves up as morally "superior" to the rest of us, or to their colleagues (as Senator Ensign or Gov. Sanford have), then they should suffer the consequences of their own actions. Republicans, or rather anti-anything that isn't "conservative, keep throwing stones with glee. That's the real problem!

Democratic governor NY Gov. Eliot Spitzer campagined on moral decency- got caught with whores & promptly resigned.

Other Dems have not been so self-righteous, so the backlash aginst them as been "eh" at the worst, except for Newt's clintonian witch hunt.

Recently though, you've got Oliver North writing about howlacking in morality Obama is because he won't voice support the popular uprising in Iran. This is from the man who sold Iran 1,000 hand held missiles to the Iranian Extremist regime.

Rush- railing aginst drug addicts- whicle misusing or even dealing- large quantities of illegally prescribed drugs.

Then there's: Foley, Vittner, Ensign, Sanford, Newt, Haggard, Swaggart, Guliani, Chesworth, Bunn Bolton, Barr...Etc.

It's not that Dems. don't do the same thing, it's that Dems. don't throw the stones or act or self-righteous about "God-fearing family values."

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To paraphase Bill Clinton, "It's the hypocrisy, stupid." When the mighty eet themselves up as morally "superior" to the rest of us, or to their colleagues (as Senator Ensign or Gov. Sanford have), then they should suffer the consequences of their own actions. Republicans, or rather anti-anything that isn't "conservative, keep throwing stones with glee. That's the real problem!

Democratic governor NY Gov. Eliot Spitzer campagined on moral decency- got caught with whores & promptly resigned.

Other Dems have not been so self-righteous, so the backlash aginst them as been "eh" at the worst, except for Newt's clintonian witch hunt.

Recently though, you've got Oliver North writing about howlacking in morality Obama is because he won't voice support the popular uprising in Iran. This is from the man who sold Iran 1,000 hand held missiles to the Iranian Extremist regime.

Rush- railing aginst drug addicts- whicle misusing or even dealing- large quantities of illegally prescribed drugs.

Then there's: Foley, Vittner, Ensign, Sanford, Newt, Haggard, Swaggart, Guliani, Chesworth, Bunn Bolton, Barr...Etc.

It's not that Dems. don't do the same thing, it's that Dems. don't throw the stones or act or self-righteous about "God-fearing family values."



:agree::agree::agree:

Both Ensign and Sanford were in Congress and voted in favor of the articles of impeachment.

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To paraphase Bill Clinton, "It's the hypocrisy, stupid." When the mighty eet themselves up as morally "superior" to the rest of us, or to their colleagues (as Senator Ensign or Gov. Sanford have), then they should suffer the consequences of their own actions. Republicans, or rather anti-anything that isn't "conservative, keep throwing stones with glee. That's the real problem!

Democratic governor NY Gov. Eliot Spitzer campagined on moral decency- got caught with whores & promptly resigned.

Other Dems have not been so self-righteous, so the backlash aginst them as been "eh" at the worst, except for Newt's clintonian witch hunt.

Recently though, you've got Oliver North writing about howlacking in morality Obama is because he won't voice support the popular uprising in Iran. This is from the man who sold Iran 1,000 hand held missiles to the Iranian Extremist regime.

Rush- railing aginst drug addicts- whicle misusing or even dealing- large quantities of illegally prescribed drugs.

Then there's: Foley, Vittner, Ensign, Sanford, Newt, Haggard, Swaggart, Guliani, Chesworth, Bunn Bolton, Barr...Etc.

It's not that Dems. don't do the same thing, it's that Dems. don't throw the stones or act or self-righteous about "God-fearing family values."

What's your point? Human nature to go astray. Are you saying to eliminate morals and act like dogs? Are you saying we should not at least try to be moral? Are you saying that it is right for liberals and democrats to act like heathens because they don't believe in morals?

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...you've got Oliver North writing about how lacking in morality Obama is because he won't voice support the popular uprising in Iran. This is from the man who sold Iran 1,000 hand held missiles to the Iranian Extremist regime...Rush- railing aginst drug addicts- whicle misusing or even dealing- large quantities of illegally prescribed drugs...Too many people keep missing the point that these guys are entertainers. They get paid to create controversy. One of the reasons that the American electorate is so ill-informed is that they actually believe what the entertainers tell them. Of course, there's nothing wrong with listening to them or reading them, but hopefully people try to seek out a dissenting opinion.

As an example, tonight on CNN at 9 PM there will be a "debate" between Ann Coulter and Donna Brazile--far right and far left. I'll watch just to see what subjects they discuss and what their arguments are. Is it possible that they might disagree on the political future of Mark Sanford, do you think?

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To paraphase Bill Clinton, "It's the hypocrisy, stupid." When the mighty eet themselves up as morally "superior" to the rest of us, or to their colleagues (as Senator Ensign or Gov. Sanford have), then they should suffer the consequences of their own actions. Republicans, or rather anti-anything that isn't "conservative, keep throwing stones with glee. That's the real problem!

Democratic governor NY Gov. Eliot Spitzer campagined on moral decency- got caught with whores & promptly resigned.

Other Dems have not been so self-righteous, so the backlash aginst them as been "eh" at the worst, except for Newt's clintonian witch hunt.

Recently though, you've got Oliver North writing about howlacking in morality Obama is because he won't voice support the popular uprising in Iran. This is from the man who sold Iran 1,000 hand held missiles to the Iranian Extremist regime.

Rush- railing aginst drug addicts- whicle misusing or even dealing- large quantities of illegally prescribed drugs.

Then there's: Foley, Vittner, Ensign, Sanford, Newt, Haggard, Swaggart, Guliani, Chesworth, Bunn Bolton, Barr...Etc.

It's not that Dems. don't do the same thing, it's that Dems. don't throw the stones or act or self-righteous about "God-fearing family values."


This post and the one that follows it agreeing with it in totality is, in my opinion, what is wrong with politics today and for the last 10/12 years !

It is all about PARTY....everything that happens revolves to folks who think this way around the PARTY !

How anyone can generalize like this...."it's that Dems. don't throw the stones or act or self-righteous about "God-fearing family values."...is something that I cannot understand. You are talking about what party is shown on their registration card and condemning/praising is such HUGE generalities.

And while I am at it...allow me to agree with VK....quoting folks who are without any doubt, with no arguing.....ENTERTAINERS and not representative of any party...does not make sense. When I hear Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Bill Mahar, Keith Olberman, etc quoted I just cringe. WHY listen to thiese folks....YOU ALREADY KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR !!!!

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Absolutley correct, Steve. A couple of anecdotes from Katrina...

-- Our former Congressman in Illinois, Mark Kirk, is also a Captain in the USNR and was on duty at the Pentagon as Katrina was hitting New Orleans. Whatever unit or office he was with had something to do with the federal response. He told me that they sat for hours, asking themselves why th Mayor or the Governor were taking so long to make the evacuation mandatory, open all six lanes of the interstate to outbound traffic, or request federal or military assistance. The people in the Pentagon couldn't tell them what to do; in fact he said that they couldn't even get thru to them on their cell phones. Rather they had to wait until they were asked for help--and it was days before they ever got a request from the locals. He described Mayor Nagin as "one of the most incompetent public officials" he'd ever encountered.

-- A group of EMS technicians from the South Bend, Indiana area, recognizing that they would be needed, loaded up four fire trucks with first aid equipment, water, food, etc. and headed for New Orleans. When they got there, they were not permitted to enter the city. The local police and fire department told them that everything was under control and that they weren't needed. After four days of sitting outside of town, they turned around and headed back to South Bend.

-- A group of doctors and nurses from the Pacific Northwest loaded up lots of medical supplies and flew to New Orleans at their own expense. On their arrival, they were told that they couldn't practice medicine in Louisiana until they had obtained the proper state licenses. No one volunteered to assist them in getting the necessary documentation, so after five days they headed back to Seattle, never having treated even one person.

-- The Lake County Illinois police helicopter detachment took off with three helicopters, pilots, mechanics and EMS personnel just as Katrina was hitting New Orleans. Many of the rescues that you saw on TV were performed by this group. They reported flying the 'copters almost 24 hours a days for three days and rescued almost 1,000 people. When asked a few weeks later how they were able to get involved in the rescue effort when so many other volunteers were turned away they answered, "We never asked anyone. We just flew in and began picking people up."

VK: This is one of the best posts from you and you do have many. One of my friends was on the group from South Bend that got turned back. Gary Indiana was hit by high winds about 6 months ago. Some of the neighborhoods still have fallen trees blocking traffic. I cleared my 7 acres of fallen trees in two days. I believe I had 8 large trees toppled. No federal help.
:agree::agree:

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This post and the one that follows it agreeing with it in totality is, in my opinion, what is wrong with politics today and for the last 10/12 years !

It is all about PARTY....everything that happens revolves to folks who think this way around the PARTY !

How anyone can generalize like this...."it's that Dems. don't throw the stones or act or self-righteous about "God-fearing family values."...is something that I cannot understand. You are talking about what party is shown on their registration card and condemning/praising is such HUGE generalities.

And while I am at it...allow me to agree with VK....quoting folks who are without any doubt, with no arguing.....ENTERTAINERS and not representative of any party...does not make sense. When I hear Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Bill Mahar, Keith Olberman, etc quoted I just cringe. WHY listen to thiese folks....YOU ALREADY KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR !!!!

Agree!

When "the party" replaces individual thought with lemming-like following, we're in deep trouble - and it's happening. Are we so desperate to "belong," that we will follow "the party" over the cliff?

What's worse is that as we as a society attempt to set aside prejudice and bias due to race, creed, color, religion and gender, there seems to be a trend to project all that built-up prejudice and bias toward "the other party."

Rather than "follow the party" no matter what, a little more "follow your conscience" may be in order.

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I am a Villager from South Carolina and currently in South Carolina.

I guess I am an independent who leans conservatively. Even though I voted for Sanford, we in South Carolina began to think Sanford was a little odd through his governmental actions over the last few years. I know he was thought to be a national candidate, but he has the personality of a doormat; I don't think he would have ever made it.

As to his wife taking him for everything's he's worth, she's the one with the money. I just feel really sorry for his wife and four sons.

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Agree!

When "the party" replaces individual thought with lemming-like following, we're in deep trouble - and it's happening. Are we so desperate to "belong," that we will follow "the party" over the cliff?

What's worse is that as we as a society attempt to set aside prejudice and bias due to race, creed, color, religion and gender, there seems to be a trend to project all that built-up prejudice and bias toward "the other party."

Rather than "follow the party" no matter what, a little more "follow your conscience" may be in order.

Conscience...Interesting.. I have pondered that many times. Common sense..I have pondered that many times, too. There is a whole cottage industry devoted to these "issues"
How to get the voter to vote a certain way on certain issues. For instance, the media will send a film crew down to the usual places that the homeless (bums) spend their idle time. We view the television and our conscience says "look at those poor people rummaging through the trash looking for food or cans for deposit money". So now it is in our minds that there are people out there that have a lifestyle that is inferior to our own. We all feel that we should try to help our fellow man, but instead of going out there and talking to these people and giving a real helping hand, we say that our tax money should help them because this is the way we do it in the 21 century. Right?
So now, it is in our conscience that taxes are good and we can turn our attention to other pressing matters.
Common Sense... How come there was so many "homeless" people during the Reagan era when everybody who wanted a job could have one? Remember the news stories of so many jobs going unfilled because there was more work then people to fill the jobs? Even fast food places were raising the salary of entry level. But the media focused on the "homeless" instead of all the jobs going unfilled . Why?
Skip forward to new president. Clinton is elected . We are in a recession. Where did the homeless go? Where are the numerous newscasts showing videos on our TV screens of homeless people rummaging through the trash?
Point is that even though the majority are well off and happy....they will always concentrate on the minority to make major decisions.
But....we still have our conscience....

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It appears the human brain/psyche, in some people, responds to "falling in love/lust" the same way it responds to cocaine: you know it's wrong, you keep going back for another hit, in the process you destroy your career, your health, your family, your credibility and your finances...

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It appears the human brain/psyche, in some people, responds to "falling in love/lust" the same way it responds to cocaine: you know it's wrong, you keep going back for another hit, in the process you destroy your career, your health, your family, your credibility and your finances...

Very good observation. It happened to one of my brothers in the early 90's. He lost his marriage, money, job and even his transportation due to lust/cocaine. He finally recovered and is doing real good today. He is a real good man..but just lost his way for awhile. I am very proud of him today.

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Very good observation. It happened to one of my brothers in the early 90's. He lost his marriage, money, job and even his transportation due to lust/cocaine. He finally recovered and is doing real good today. He is a real good man..but just lost his way for awhile. I am very proud of him today.It's called recovery... good for him!

May I recommend a wonderful book on this topic of affairs and infidelity: The title is "Private Lies" The betrayal of intimacy. By Frank Pittman, MD

It is a riviting read by one of the worlds experts on infidelity. He did a follow-up book called , "Grow-Up" which essentially addresses one of the core issues behind affairs (and actually behind so much of what we've seen in our financial institutions). That issue is: as a child we learned what pleasure was and what made us 'feel good' and we wanted it then, right away, no exceptions. Adults continue to want pleasure, what 'feels good', want it right away.... BUT.... when we GROW UP... we learn to say to ourselves, "I really want that, it would feel sooooo good, I really need that BUT I DON'T HAVE TO HAVE IT, I CAN LIVE WITH OUT IT .... SO, NO, I AM GOING TO WALK AWAY FROM IT." The Gov needed a good friend to grab him by the lapels, put his back against a wall and say GROW UP. Too late now.

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It's called recovery... good for him!

May I recommend a wonderful book on this topic of affairs and infidelity: The title is "Private Lies" The betrayal of intimacy. By Frank Pittman, MD

It is a riviting read by one of the worlds experts on infidelity. He did a follow-up book called , "Grow-Up" which essentially addresses one of the core issues behind affairs (and actually behind so much of what we've seen in our financial institutions). That issue is: as a child we learned what pleasure was and what made us 'feel good' and we wanted it then, right away, no exceptions. Adults continue to want pleasure, what 'feels good', want it right away.... BUT.... when we GROW UP... we learn to say to ourselves, "I really want that, it would feel sooooo good, I really need that BUT I DON'T HAVE TO HAVE IT, I CAN LIVE WITH OUT IT .... SO, NO, I AM GOING TO WALK AWAY FROM IT." The Gov needed a good friend to grab him by the lapels, put his back against a wall and say GROW UP. Too late now.

Thanks for the reading recommendation. It is funny how it all works out. Bill Clinton had many affairs and a lusty appetite for everything. (remember when he was jogging and had to stop at the hamburger joints. LOL) Yet he still kept his career on track. That's why I nominate Hillary as the biggest enabler in history.
But in real life succumbing to your desires when and everytime you want will destroy you sooner or later.