15 Reasons to Oppose Climate Bill

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A very good read:

http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2009/06/15_reasons_to_oppose_climate_b.php

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A very good read:

http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2009/06/15_reasons_to_oppose_climate_b.php

On the money! Thanks!

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Whoa!!! I thought one of Obama's main campaign promises was "no increase in taxes for the middle class"... On this list of " 15 Reasons..." that's the topper... numero uno on the list. I wonder how those that voted for him feel about that lie?

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Whoa!!! I thought one of Obama's main campaign promises was "no increase in taxes for the middle class"... On this list of " 15 Reasons..." that's the topper... numero uno on the list. I wonder how those that voted for him feel about that lie?


I frequent OPENCONGRESS.ORG at times (although at MANY times I get confused) but it seems to me that this administration and congress are beginning a trend....ie., pushing things through so nobody can read what they are doing (REMEMBER THE STIMULUS BILL ? ).

This is from OPENCONGRESS.ORG.....

"I wrote last week that OpenCongress can be an incredible resource for citizens, reporters and activists looking for information on Congress, but cautioned that this is only true when Congress makes that information available. With the case of the American Clean Energy And Security Act, this simply wasn’t possible. Members of the House were given precious little time to determine the policy outcomes of this legislation, due to its size, the different versions released, and the time frame provided for action (Speaker Nancy Pelosi had sought a vote before next week’s 4th of July recess). Members of the public were given even less time."

http://www.opencongress.org/articles/view/1068-ReadTheBill-FAIL-Cap-and-Trade-Edition

I was told this was going to be a tranparent and open administration, but does this not begin to look like a trend ?

I have listened to much of the debate today on CSPAN and am overwhelmed with some of what I hear....example....by 2050 have carbon emissions at the same level they were in 1910 ! Our bankrupt and government owned auto industry can do this ?

Some of this could be used as a basis for forward movement but it is like everything else we have seen thus far.....A LOT OF WORDS and that is it.
We have no idea how to do what we are demanding be done !!!!!!!!

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On the money! Thanks!
Your welcome, Steve.

rshoffer....There must be alot of folks shaking their collective heads.

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Remember when Obama said his administration would post a bill, on the internet, five days before voting on it??? This bill had 300 pages added this morning at 3AM. We haven't seen the origianal bill, much less this addition. Thank goodness for the Heritage Foundation or we wouldn't know anything about the bill.

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Remember when Obama said his administration would post a bill, on the internet, five days before voting on it??? This bill had 300 pages added this morning at 3AM. We haven't seen the origianal bill, much less this addition. Thank goodness for the Heritage Foundation or we wouldn't know anything about the bill.

Are you saying that a campaign promise is really no promise at all? How can that be true, since President Obama would never act different in any way than Candidate Obama said he would act if elected? Never! Nada! I feel so betrayed! Where's my $1.75 Margarita?

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A very good read:

http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2009/06/15_reasons_to_oppose_climate_b.php

You give them too much credit. I have one reason. It's BULLCHPS!


Yoda

A member of the loyal opposition

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Is there anyone who reads this board who supports this bill ?

If so, please comment on why !!!

Thanks

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You give them too much credit. I have one reason. It's BULLCHPS!


Yoda

A member of the loyal opposition

:a20: Yoda...I would call you an angry white man but it wouldn't describe your picture!!!:beer3:

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Is there anyone who reads this board who supports this bill ?

If so, please comment on why !!!

Thanks
Call me naive, but I still say it is just a scheme to raise taxes and satisfy the Gore kool-aid crowd. A two-fer. Between social security, wars and a bloated government payroll (just to name three) they figure they have to raise taxes. Problem is that business is petrified and that means less people on the payrolls which lead to decrease in the government coffers. I really don't see how this will help...but I sure would like to listen to the other side. I really would like to hear some good news, for a change.:shrug:

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Call me naive, but I still say it is just a scheme to raise taxes and satisfy the Gore kool-aid crowd. A two-fer. Between social security, wars and a bloated government payroll (just to name three) they figure they have to raise taxes. Problem is that business is petrified and that means less people on the payrolls which lead to decrease in the government coffers. I really don't see how this will help...but I sure would like to listen to the other side. I really would like to hear some good news, for a change.:shrug:

I just want to have someone who supports this to speak to it !!! Thats all !

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Are you saying that a campaign promise is really no promise at all? How can that be true, since President Obama would never act different in any way than Candidate Obama said he would act if elected? Never! Nada! I feel so betrayed! Where's my $1.75 Margarita?
meet me some nite at one of the shacks on the squares... I'll buy

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please comment. The lawmakers have just passed a piece of history changing legislation....AGAIN.....WITHOUT READING IT!!!!!!!!!
Doesn't that strike anybody else as irresponsible? Has partisan politics gone so far that it has come to bying a pig in a poke, no questions asked?

It just seems like it should be an invalid vote if they did not read it.

In the late 30's and early 40's there was an individual who was noted as a charismatic speaker. Who had millions messmerized to blind following to a fault.
Who lead his country and every other one he touched to ruin. Who promised the people everything and delivered only to his parties personal gains.

Without mentioning his name, all one has to do is go through his progression from a nobody to one of histories most ruthless tyrants.
I am not saying BHO is like him....I AM saying his characteristics are too similar to not mention it it an open discussion. I AM also saying the methodology being employed is also similar. And another similarity....his promise that the actions being taken would result in delivering the people out of a ruthless depression....providing more jobs....and prosperity for all.

Back to the thread....how can passing such legislation without reading it be justified...BY ANYBODY? T o me.....it can not be.
So let's hear from the supporters.

btk

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Just like Dick Morris said today on the radio. Obama knows they will loose Congress in 2010 and the White House in 2012 so they are cramming in as much damage to the economy as they can. Obama is fixing nothing and never planned to.

All the blabber about middle class tax cuts, 95% won't see their taxes go up one dime, blah blah blah was nothing more than fat lies that unfortunately too many people bought into.

They are systematically destroying America or at the very least making their best attempt at it before they get run out of town.

Hopefully it won't be too late to undo this economic disaster of an administration.

Our country has been hijacked.

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dklassen, you are 100% correct, unfortunately. I don't know why "the powers that be" want to bring down the country. They live here too. I believe Obama is just a front man.

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Just wondering ... Do you guys ever just feel like you're chasing your own tails? I'm just asking...;)

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Just wondering ... Do you guys ever just feel like you're chasing your own tails? I'm just asking...;)

I'm just wondering...do drive by posters really have something to say? Just curious.

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No, not really. Just a running commentary! :laugh: And the 5 or 6 of you seem to have a great time just talking to each other!

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And a response to the question of...if anybody supports the cap and tax legislation.....as has been established time and time again on this forum (and my experience elsewhere) with definitive, specific discussion, pro or con there remains the usual silence or side step of the issue.

Being a believer of either lead, follow, get out of the way (and recently added....let's wait and see).....it is always a very small group out front:jester:

btk

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Chels, discussion boards are for discussions no matter the number involved. Twitter is for leaving tweets. Check it out, you might like it.

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I am a moderate.

I think dealing with healthcare in a way that would give hardworking Americans affordable access to good plans would go a long way toward helping the economy, not just for individuals but for small business.

But..................

I firmly believe that this Climate Bill thing could very well be the last nail in the economy's coffin. It's a cash cow and I will just bet that the lobbyists in it could make those vile lending industry lobbyists look like a Girl Scout troop.

But......

I don't come here often. I am a moderate.

Boomer

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Chels, discussion boards are for discussions no matter the number involved. Twitter is for leaving tweets. Check it out, you might like it.

OMG! I've been on this board for over a year and didn't realize a person couldn't just make a comment! Wow!!! Well, I learn something new everyday!

My point is that 5 or 6 of the same people just go round and round backing each other up. Where's the discussion??? Just an observation! IMHO. :)

So, after one or two sentences I've been called (by the "do not call names" group), "a drive-by poster" told to "get out of the way" and now "check out Twitter." OK guys... the floor is all yours! Good luck with that.

BTW, I love Twitter! :girlneener:

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Hey, feel free to jump in and tell us what you love about OB or what's going on in the government these days you agree with. Don't you think a discussion is more worth while than a once sentence hit and run?

All comments are welcome here but it would be nice if they were participatory rather than a snippet just to get a rise out of people.

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Hey, feel free to jump in and tell us what you love about OB or what's going on in the government these days you agree with. Don't you think a discussion is more worth while than a once sentence hit and run?

All comments are welcome here but it would be nice if they were participatory rather than a snippet just to get a rise out of people.

That is funny on so many levels.

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That is funny on so many levels.

I am always up for a joke. Could you give us a chuckle on one of those levels? I think DK is right on. This is a political discussion forum. An exchange of ideas. Someone has said that 5 or 6 people are saying the same thing? Bucco has pleaded several times for someone with any opinion contrary to his to please post. I think another opinion on this or any other topic would be refreshing. I am assuming that there are lurkers that maybe don't feel like joining in????? ( excuse my grammar)

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choice....as long as they don't try to make it come across as their view of a given post with the selective editing is what was intended by the other writers.

And what is still consistently absent is just what was pointed out....a complete and total absence of a discussion about the subject of the thread. Forget the individuals....what would be refreshing would be a response to the subject...if one is in favor of the cap tax let's hear the reasons for it. It is not intended to be an offense/defense positioning at all.

Speaking for myself, just because the robot politicians are inclined to pass legislation without reading it does not make it right/acceptable. Quite the contrary. And if the partisan position is, as long as their party generated it is absolute...then so be it.

Just like I have an opinion about why the process is wrong (not reading it before voting)...and do not agree with much of the content and end results...and do not find it acceptable to launch such a major far reaching piece of legislation without knowing the effects, when, how much, how long, how to track and measure...
I would like to hear from those that favor it. Not just another caustic commentary about those who may have an opposing view.

I have a real personal problem just accepting ANYTHING just because of party affiliation....or race...or gender...or religion....but that is me.

My feelings and commentary are not a result of just the few who visit this forum with the blind attitude...but those I see face to face every day...as well as family members. The ones I find to be the most vocal are those who do not accept there is another position...those who are unable to articulate why the believe what they do...and especially those who denigrate anybody who dares to disagree with their party line. One can only conclude based on this type action of the choices given they simply choose to FOLLOW what ever the party does/says/doesn't do/etc.
And that ANYBODY who holds a differing view is of course of the wrong side of anything.

How limited! How sad.

How about a position on this recently passed legislation and why.....pretty simple request.....I thought.

btk

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A good question on the bill that will be sent to senate:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/06/023909.php

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OMG! I've been on this board for over a year and didn't realize a person couldn't just make a comment! Wow!!! Well, I learn something new everyday!

My point is that 5 or 6 of the same people just go round and round backing each other up. Where's the discussion??? Just an observation! IMHO. :)

So, after one or two sentences I've been called (by the "do not call names" group), "a drive-by poster" told to "get out of the way" and now "check out Twitter." OK guys... the floor is all yours! Good luck with that.

BTW, I love Twitter! :girlneener:Where's the discussion??? About 4 posts upstream Billethkid asked the same question. BTK (and I) are still waiting for some discussion, debate, dialogue frow someone who sees any redeeming value to this Cap and Trade Bill. When it appears in this thread perhaps there will begin some discussion.

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Theres no discussion because it is the same people who would oppose anything this president and congress did. Why bother.

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Theres no discussion because it is the same people who would oppose anything this president and congress did. Why bother.

Ok. Lets start with you explaining the rational of of the bill that was encouraged by the current president and passed by a congress that didn't have the time to read said bill. Explain the logic and virtues of this bill and how it will benefit the average american citizen.
We welcome your participation and promise to be gentle with our responses.:boxing2:
http://www.youtube.com/v/BqHL404zhcU&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&feature=player_embedded&fs=1

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OMG! I've been on this board for over a year and didn't realize a person couldn't just make a comment! Wow!!! Well, I learn something new everyday!

My point is that 5 or 6 of the same people just go round and round backing each other up. Where's the discussion??? Just an observation! IMHO. :)

So, after one or two sentences I've been called (by the "do not call names" group), "a drive-by poster" told to "get out of the way" and now "check out Twitter." OK guys... the floor is all yours! Good luck with that.

BTW, I love Twitter! :girlneener:

Hi Chels. I know. I got called "mushy middle" a couple of times. Gee. I know my middle does not look exactly like it did in my younger days, but I did not think that was a very nice thing to say. .....sniff....sniff.....sob

I don't show up around political much. The territory is the territory. And the most widely spoken language is the language of Frank Luntz. I am a moderate. But every once in a while I enter in. I get hung up with healthcare. So many need a solution to that mess. Something reasonable. Not an either/or. But without fail, I always end up wondering why I bothered to post. Oh well. I just have to try to middle through somehow.

Of course, I can avoid the political forum. That is my choice. But what makes me sad is that there are people in my life, people I actually know, who become quite angry over things political. And shout down anybody who might have a different opinion. And get really hateful looks on their faces.

And all this shouting is not just shouting down the complete opposite opinion but also shouting down the moderates. And the shouts are louder from the right. What are they thinking? When that happens they just drive more moderates away from the Republican party. The Republican party has got to quit saying to moderates, "We don't want your kind 'round here."

I am afraid that the true spirit of political discussion is being sucked out, more and more. What now passes for discussion, according to some, must take place in an echo chamber.

"What we got here is a failure to communicate."

Oh well.....I digress......nevermind.......carry on.

Boomer (and btw, I did give my opinion earlier on this climate bill thing. Bad news I am afraid. Toldya I am a moderate.)

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Here we go...straight from the horse's mouth. Your electric bill is going to go up.

http://www.youtube.com/v/BqHL404zhcU&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&feature=player_embedded&fs=1

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in the belief if you are not in agreement with them it just is not worth discussing...barf

It is starting to appear they are totally unfamiliar with anything that has to do with DISCUSSION. The process whereby ALL OPINIONS ARE INVITED....as some would have it ....thou shalt speak only if ye agree with THEM....if not it is not worthy of their participation.

Obviously we are too early in the game and the partisan crib notes have not been distributed.

Since when does everybody have to agree with anybody....if I were of a crude disposition I would refer to the position as lame!:jester:

C'mon....just one of you come back with an answer to the question with chiding the participants....

this isn't 1939 in Europe (yet).

btk

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Here we go...straight from the horse's mouth. Your electric bill is going to to up.

http://www.youtube.com/v/BqHL404zhcU&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&feature=player_embedded&fs=1Ahhhh... perfectly wise thing to do at the bottom of a recession... Who is advising this man?

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Just wondering ... Do you guys ever just feel like you're chasing your own tails? I'm just asking...;)


I recall you posting several times a day on subjects like Sarah Palin, the Palin family, John McCain's flying ability...SEVERAL TIMES A DAY with supporting links !!!!

Now, do you agree with the climate bill ?

How do you feel about the bail outs ?

How do you feel about congress not even reading these spending bills ?

How do you feel about the bail out of GM ?

How do you feel about the health care proposals ?

Seems that your inferrence about anyone posting here is pretty shallow unless you have an opinion or do you just agree with everything and all OR must the subject matter be stimulating like the Palin family or McCains flying record ?

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Ahhhh... perfectly wise thing to do at the bottom of a recession... Who is advising this man?

"bottom of a recession"????? You are quite the optimist it seems.

Boomer

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"bottom of a recession"????? You are quite the optimist it seems.

BoomerBe careful.... you're watchin too much Glenn Beck...

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"bottom of a recession"????? You are quite the optimist it seems.

Boomer

Agreed, Boomer. Maybe my posts don't reflect it..but I am an optimist. I have faced my share of adversity and always could see the silver lining but I have the worst feeling in my gut right now. I have never seen so many proposed "changes" to our way of life in my lifetime. Our buddy above is right...we should concentrate in fighting our way out of this recession instead of spooking our businesses and factories.(and investors).
Are we still taking bets for the stock market Monday?

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Hey, feel free to jump in and tell us what you love about OB or what's going on in the government these days you agree with. Don't you think a discussion is more worth while than a once sentence hit and run?

All comments are welcome here but it would be nice if they were participatory rather than a snippet just to get a rise out of people.

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Oh, you mean like your picture of Obama putting up drapes? Yep, that's would definitely be a "snippet just to get a rise out of people." What's that expression? "Practice what you preach."

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Oh, you mean like your picture of Obama putting up drapes? Yep, that's would definitely be a "snippet just to get a rise out of people." What's that expression? "Practice what you preach."
In DK's defense, it was the initial post in his thread. I repeat, he was the OP.(original poster). Anybody can start a new thread with whatever political subject. I found his thread a welcome comic relief.:girlneener:

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Oh, you mean like your picture of Obama putting up drapes? Yep, that's would definitely be a "snippet just to get a rise out of people." What's that expression? "Practice what you preach."


Yup....like I said...funny on so many levels.:a20:

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Be careful.... you're watchin too much Glenn Beck...


WHAT!!!! Never ever, ever in my whole Boomer life would I ever, ever watch Glenn Beck!!!!

Oh dear! Oh my! What am I doing in here???

Every time I come into political I get into trouble. A couple of months ago, around the time of the full moon, for some misguided reason, I started that thread that I called "It Was My Party and I'll Cry If I Want To" because I wanted to talk about the moderate viewpoint of what is going on. Wellllll, I got called "mushy middle." Got told that moderates have no "fire in the belly." I think somebody said I was a whiner because I dared to say that I think the healthcare mess needs to be addressed to give people access to affordable group plans. (It was a veiled reference but I think it was aimed at me.) I think somebody even implied that I sounded like, oh no, a liberal. (Yeah, I know one time I said stuff about how I think Rush and Co. are just a bunch of ventriloquists and are destroying the Republican party while they laugh all the way to the bank.) Not looking for sympathy. I know the lay of the land in here. I expected to be accused of all those things. Predictable.

BUT GLENN BECK!!!!!!

You think I watch Glenn Beck!!! Me and Glenn Beck!!!! Noooooooooo!!!!! What have I wrought? Wrote? Written?

My recession not being bottomed yet comment has to do with what I see around me. In real life. Not coming from some big screen.

Glenn Beck!!! Aaaaaaaauuuuuughhhhhh!!!!! Never! Ever!

Boomer (So NOT Bunker Mentality Boomer)

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WHAT!!!! Never ever, ever in my whole Boomer life would I ever, ever watch Glenn Beck!!!!

Oh dear! Oh my! What am I doing in here???

Every time I come into political I get into trouble. A couple of months ago, around the time of the full moon, for some misguided reason, I started that thread that I called "It Was My Party and I'll Cry If I Want To" because I wanted to talk about the moderate viewpoint of what is going on. Wellllll, I got called "mushy middle." Got told that moderates have no "fire in the belly." I think somebody said I was a whiner because I dared to say that I think the healthcare mess needs to be addressed to give people access to affordable group plans. (It was a veiled reference but I think it was aimed at me.) I think somebody even implied that I sounded like, oh no, a liberal. (Yeah, I know one time I said stuff about how I think Rush and Co. are just a bunch of ventriloquists and are destroying the Republican party while they laugh all the way to the bank.) Not looking for sympathy. I know the lay of the land in here. I expected to be accused of all those things. Predictable.

BUT GLENN BECK!!!!!!

You think I watch Glenn Beck!!! Me and Glenn Beck!!!! Noooooooooo!!!!! What have I wrought? Wrote? Written?

My recession not being bottomed yet comment has to do with what I see around me. In real life. Not coming from some big screen.

Glenn Beck!!! Aaaaaaaauuuuuughhhhhh!!!!! Never! Ever!

Boomer (So NOT Bunker Mentality Boomer)

What's going on??? My head was resting on the keyboard when I heard this terrible scream...Oh..Hi Boomer....must be time for bed....

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the Obama sniping even comes close to Bush bashing.

And as many seem to have already decided....if you can't stand the heat then get outta da kitchen.

Nice array of challenging questions Bucco.

I think I just heard a pin drop!!!:jester:

btk

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Remember when Obama said his administration would post a bill, on the internet, five days before voting on it??? This bill had 300 pages added this morning at 3AM. We haven't seen the origianal bill, much less this addition. Thank goodness for the Heritage Foundation or we wouldn't know anything about the bill.

Yes wasn't this part of the new change ? I'd like to say same old stuff but it's much worse than before.:agree::agree:

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or just a knee jerk partisan response.
You posted:

"Theres no discussion because it is the same people who would oppose anything this president and congress did. Why bother."

If this were remotely a justification then many of us would have fled the scene with the ongoing, daily, no matter what subject, continuous Bush bashing, oh by the way by the same few people.

The more of these pearls of wisdom that come forth, the more confirmation that you all are the only folks who can "snipe" at the opposition. That you folks expect blind acceptance of your belief or following. And by your quote above, you expect no discussion. I would further add you all are very consistent as you NEVER respond to or address the issue at hand. As in this thread....still nothing but partisan snipes with no issue content....EVER!

Very much the way congress works today.

btk

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the Obama sniping even comes close to Bush bashing.

And as many seem to have already decided....if you can't stand the heat then get outta da kitchen.

Nice array of challenging questions Bucco.

I think I just heard a pin drop!!!:jester:

btk

Good afternoon, btk,

Well, well, well, what have we here?

You seem to think that you are pointing me toward the exit by quoting the only Democrat I ever truly loved.

Ah, btk, you have inspired me to share with you yet another quote from Harry Truman. Harry Truman said, “Most of the problems a President has to face have their roots in the past.”

Not to worry, btk, I will be leaving soon. But my leave has nothing to do with heat. It has everything to do with finally coming to my senses and remembering that old saying about how the only good thing about beating my head against a brick wall is that it feels so good when I stop.

But before I go, I want to drop off a little something. A link to the thread I started here one night when I had obviously taken leave of my senses. I opened the floor to a discussion of my concern for the Republican party’s abandonment of moderate Republicans.

If you bother to read through this thread, without a jaundiced eye, you can see where it disintegrates. You took your usual “Bush Basher” shot early in the thread. But I continued past it. I was not bashing Bush. All I had done was to tell my little tale of “the way we were” in that picture I have. A light little touch. A little attempt at humor. So unwelcome I know. But illustrating that I was once, twice, a Bush vote.

I also brought up the things that have influenced my thinking to make me a moderate. I even comment about seeing the greeniacs for what they really are. And I most certainly make clear that I think healthcare needs to be addressed for the sake of those who have no affordable access, but at no point do I say that socialized medicine is the answer. I say that an answer must be found. But that discussion cannot take place over the deafening chants of the right wing. Chants with wording bought and paid for from Frank Luntz.

In this thread that I am linking here, there are points at which I actually thought I saw a little glimmer of discussion start. But watch what happens when I acknowledge common ground. Moderates are capable of recognizing common ground and we stand on that ground and think it would be a good place to build. But if you deign to look at this thread, you might see what happens when moderate me calls attention to finding common ground with some of the regulars from the right. I found them not to be so far right as they often appear. But look at what happens. The comfort zone found here in the mutual admiration society was violated by an intruding moderate. And the mutual admiration society members revert to type.

Well anyway, btk, this was a lot more than a drive-by. Oh how I hope that I can think of it as a drive-BYE. That’s because I saw that other thing in your post. That part where you address the nice array of questions and make the little comment about the pin dropping.

Well, btk, that is what happens around here a lot. A wagon master always emerges and said wagon master orders those wagons in a circle. And those wagons always circle.

But, btk, with those wagons in a circle, hasn’t anybody ever noticed that it is impossible to move forward?

Boomer

Oh yeah, here’s the link to the thread I cited.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21863

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Good afternoon, btk,

Well, well, well, what have we here?

You seem to think that you are pointing me toward the exit by quoting the only Democrat I ever truly loved.

Ah, btk, you have inspired me to share with you yet another quote from Harry Truman. Harry Truman said, “Most of the problems a President has to face have their roots in the past.”

Not to worry, btk, I will be leaving soon. But my leave has nothing to do with heat. It has everything to do with finally coming to my senses and remembering that old saying about how the only good thing about beating my head against a brick wall is that it feels so good when I stop.

But before I go, I want to drop off a little something. A link to the thread I started here one night when I had obviously taken leave of my senses. I opened the floor to a discussion of my concern for the Republican party’s abandonment of moderate Republicans.

If you bother to read through this thread, without a jaundiced eye, you can see where it disintegrates. You took your usual “Bush Basher” shot early in the thread. But I continued past it. I was not bashing Bush. All I had done was to tell my little tale of “the way we were” in that picture I have. A light little touch. A little attempt at humor. So unwelcome I know. But illustrating that I was once, twice, a Bush vote.

I also brought up the things that have influenced my thinking to make me a moderate. I even comment about seeing the greeniacs for what they really are. And I most certainly make clear that I think healthcare needs to be addressed for the sake of those who have no affordable access, but at no point do I say that socialized medicine is the answer. I say that an answer must be found. But that discussion cannot take place over the deafening chants of the right wing. Chants with wording bought and paid for from Frank Luntz.

In this thread that I am linking here, there are points at which I actually thought I saw a little glimmer of discussion start. But watch what happens when I acknowledge common ground. Moderates are capable of recognizing common ground and we stand on that ground and think it would be a good place to build. But if you deign to look at this thread, you might see what happens when moderate me calls attention to finding common ground with some of the regulars from the right. I found them not to be so far right as they often appear. But look at what happens. The comfort zone found here in the mutual admiration society was violated by an intruding moderate. And the mutual admiration society members revert to type.

Well anyway, btk, this was a lot more than a drive-by. Oh how I hope that I can think of it as a drive-BYE. That’s because I saw that other thing in your post. That part where you address the nice array of questions and make the little comment about the pin dropping.

Well, btk, that is what happens around here a lot. A wagon master always emerges and said wagon master orders those wagons in a circle. And those wagons always circle.

But, btk, with those wagons in a circle, hasn’t anybody ever noticed that it is impossible to move forward?

Boomer

Oh yeah, here’s the link to the thread I cited.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21863

What an excellent post. A question was posed about folks that no longer participate in posting here and I think you articulated your reply incredibly well. Question is, did people really want to know for the sake of enlightenment or just more of the same old argumenative statements?
I can't answer that but very nice post Boomer.:eclipsee_gold_cup:

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Good afternoon, btk,

Well, well, well, what have we here?

You seem to think that you are pointing me toward the exit by quoting the only Democrat I ever truly loved.

Ah, btk, you have inspired me to share with you yet another quote from Harry Truman. Harry Truman said, “Most of the problems a President has to face have their roots in the past.”

Not to worry, btk, I will be leaving soon. But my leave has nothing to do with heat. It has everything to do with finally coming to my senses and remembering that old saying about how the only good thing about beating my head against a brick wall is that it feels so good when I stop.

But before I go, I want to drop off a little something. A link to the thread I started here one night when I had obviously taken leave of my senses. I opened the floor to a discussion of my concern for the Republican party’s abandonment of moderate Republicans.

If you bother to read through this thread, without a jaundiced eye, you can see where it disintegrates. You took your usual “Bush Basher” shot early in the thread. But I continued past it. I was not bashing Bush. All I had done was to tell my little tale of “the way we were” in that picture I have. A light little touch. A little attempt at humor. So unwelcome I know. But illustrating that I was once, twice, a Bush vote.

I also brought up the things that have influenced my thinking to make me a moderate. I even comment about seeing the greeniacs for what they really are. And I most certainly make clear that I think healthcare needs to be addressed for the sake of those who have no affordable access, but at no point do I say that socialized medicine is the answer. I say that an answer must be found. But that discussion cannot take place over the deafening chants of the right wing. Chants with wording bought and paid for from Frank Luntz.

In this thread that I am linking here, there are points at which I actually thought I saw a little glimmer of discussion start. But watch what happens when I acknowledge common ground. Moderates are capable of recognizing common ground and we stand on that ground and think it would be a good place to build. But if you deign to look at this thread, you might see what happens when moderate me calls attention to finding common ground with some of the regulars from the right. I found them not to be so far right as they often appear. But look at what happens. The comfort zone found here in the mutual admiration society was violated by an intruding moderate. And the mutual admiration society members revert to type.

Well anyway, btk, this was a lot more than a drive-by. Oh how I hope that I can think of it as a drive-BYE. That’s because I saw that other thing in your post. That part where you address the nice array of questions and make the little comment about the pin dropping.

Well, btk, that is what happens around here a lot. A wagon master always emerges and said wagon master orders those wagons in a circle. And those wagons always circle.

But, btk, with those wagons in a circle, hasn’t anybody ever noticed that it is impossible to move forward?

Boomer

Oh yeah, here’s the link to the thread I cited.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21863

BOOMER, I was the first to respond to your thread where you posted this link and I said that we need to ignore the R and the D, and I think we need that desperately...ie., to vote on what candidate believes in what I do.

Having said that, many folks think I am either a Bush aplogist or a very hard right Republican...not guilty to either.

I have made my position clear...I STRONGLY OBJECT to our current President's idealogy...I object to the ignoring of his past and training and as I said many times during the campaign...this is the perfect storm...a man in the WH with his idealogy working with congressional leaders that are even worse.

I dont want to get into this more deeply than saying I objected to much...MUCH of what happened in the last eight years (NOT ALL by any shot), but wonder to myself what Bush has to do with the massive spending on social programs...what Bush has to do with the President and Congress jamming money through at 3 AM in the morning ....what Bush has to do with congress passing the largest spending in our country's history WITHOUT READING IT. What does Bush have to do with the string of broken promises already and only 5 months in.

You cannot blame the previous administration for those things...did they over spend....you betcha, but at some point there has to be separation. Bush had nothing to do with the unconscionable spending done with NO thought that is going on right now !

If my feelings about the current President, which I did not develp overnight and have espoused since the very beginning of the PRIMARY so it is not a party effort on my part, ..for some reason makes me ineligible to post my remarks, so be

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giving up on ever hearing a response to the questions asked. And the ongoing evaluation of who said what, who meant what, who intended what, here's what I think you said and here is what I think about that. Interpretation of the one on one verbiage....and STILL NO RESPONSE TO THE QUESTION POSED IN THE THREAD.

Time to give up on this thread and hope for something else interesting to come up soon.
I am encouraged to satrt seeing other posters showing up and contrary to the belief of a few....it doesn't matter what their party it is what they say.....ABOUT THE SUBJECT. Partisan pandering is so narrow, so boring and never addresses the subject.

btk:confused:

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Remember the left-wing Moonbat's rants on "Bush's war on Science"?
http://www.verumserum.com/?p=6569