Brace Yourself Here Comes the Whining - The Villages is growing again

[Goldwingnut]

Great news out today in the paper, The Villages is set to grow again. 8000+ more acres. Not a surprise, the developers are continuing their family business of Developing properties. Good for them for having vision and being successful in their business.

Now the whining will start - it's too big, they're greedy, blah blah blah...

Break out the cheese to go with you whine.

Get over it people, The Villages wasn't too big when you bought your house, but now it is, have to love the "I've got mine.." attitude of some people.

Greedy, nope, just good at their business. Those with the "greedy" and "How much is enough" mind set need to look in the mirror. What were you thinking when you were amassing you retirement savings? It was OK for you to be part of a growing business and working towards your future, but when others are successful they're evil? That green eyed monster jealousy is looking back at you in the mirror.

Continued growth is very good for the area, if the growth stops, unemployment will go up and with it crime; and the safety we all feel living here in TV will quickly disappear.

This much growth will surely bring much needed commercial growth with it that will be good for everyone.

If you haven't noticed, there is the beginnings of a decoupling process going on in TV. Do the people in the BW area really care what's happening in SS or even LSL? Do the people in the SS area really care what is going on in the BW area or Finney? More and more the answer is no. There's enough going on in everyone's local area that the distant areas of TV have little impact on our lives, this process will continue. Does this mean TV will fracture, likely not, it does mean lots of new options for recreation and commerce. This is the same process all cities go through as they grow and thrive.

To the developers I wish nothing but the best of luck in this new growth spurt. Bring on the bulldozers!

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Did I hear right? The latest number is 157,000 residents?

[baustgen]

Can we now remove the words "build out" from our vocabulary? Keep going Morse family. Do not listen to the complainers. Look out Georgia, here we come.

[circletrack]

Did I hear right? The latest number is 157,000 residents?

I thought I read 113,000 Villages only residents.

The whole census region might be 157, though.

[Bonny]

Woo Hoo !!!
If land is going to be developed, I would rather the Villages develop it than anyone else. At least we know they take pride in what they build and everything is done right.
I say more power to them.
The whiners can just stay home if they don't like it. ;)
Almost 17 years here and I still love it.

Build out??!! We don't need no stinking build out. LOL :D

[skip0358]

Woo Hoo !!!
If land is going to be developed, I would rather the Villages develop it than anyone else. At least we know they take pride in what they build and everything is done right.
I say more power to them.
The whiners can just stay home if they don't like it. ;)
Almost 17 years here and I still love it.

Build out??!! We don't need no stinking build out. LOL :D

Couldn't agree more Bonny. They do a great job even though some don't think so. Go look at other developments and look what they don't have that we do. Keep going KeyWest is a long ways away. A little tough by Golf Cart but so what!

[Mleeja]

Living north of 466, development of the Village of Fenney will have little impact on our lifestyle. More power to the Morse family for creating what looks to be a very beautiful area to live.

[daveczo]

We lived in South Florida for 7 years, awful traffic, poor planning. Here we have good planning. Yes, it is a little difficult during snowbird season. I do have a major concern, water. Do we have sufficient water for this continued growth? Anyone up to date on this?

[Mleeja]

So if you like TV, move to Miami...it will be even better!!

Yeah, right. :loco: :ohdear:

We just visited friends and family in the Ft. Lauderdale, Boca, Delray Beach area. Two thoughts:

1. Very expensive!
2. The folks down there drive worse than the folks in TV.

We have it very good here in The Villages!

[justjim]

You haven't seen nothing yet! Wait until the entrance and exit to the Florida Turnpike is completed. Maybe in a few years we really will get a Costco.

[champion6]

Did I hear right? The latest number is 157,000 residents?
I thought I read 113,000 Villages only residents. The whole census region might be 157, though.Circletrack got it right. The Villages is about 113,000-115,000. The Metropolitan Statistical Area, known as The Villages MSA, is all of Sumter County and is about 157,000.

[HoosierPa]

..."and the Villager crowd goes wild" !!

[trueorange]

I was a little confused by the Daily Sun article. Is that 8000 new acres, or is Finney part of the 8000 acres?

Just curious.....

[Bogie Shooter]

We lived in South Florida for 7 years, awful traffic, poor planning. Here we have good planning. Yes, it is a little difficult during snowbird season. I do have a major concern, water. Do we have sufficient water for this continued growth? Anyone up to date on this?

There must be, about to award a million gallons a day to a cattle farmer near Ocala.....................

[champion6]

I was a little confused by the Daily Sun article. Is that 8000 new acres, or is Finney part of the 8000 acres?
Just curious.....The article states, "That includes the community's newest neighborhood, the Village of Fenney, announced last May ..." It seems clear to me that Fenney is included in the 8,000 acres.

[champion6]

For those who don't have access to a Daily Sun, here is a map shown in the article.

[champion6]

Link to Daily Sun article: Here we grow again! - The Villages Daily Sun: Villages (http://www.thevillagesdailysun.com/news/villages/article_1fe4f232-e44b-11e6-b53d-d7c4ef63010c.html)

[Jayhawk]

Great news out today in the paper, The Villages is set to grow again. 8000+ more acres. Not a surprise, the developers are continuing their family business of Developing properties. Good for them for having vision and being successful in their business.

Now the whining will start - it's too big, they're greedy, blah blah blah...

Break out the cheese to go with you whine.

Get over it people, The Villages wasn't too big when you bought your house, but now it is, have to love the "I've got mine.." attitude of some people.

Greedy, nope, just good at their business. Those with the "greedy" and "How much is enough" mind set need to look in the mirror. What were you thinking when you were amassing you retirement savings? It was OK for you to be part of a growing business and working towards your future, but when others are successful they're evil? That green eyed monster jealousy is looking back at you in the mirror.

Continued growth is very good for the area, if the growth stops, unemployment will go up and with it crime; and the safety we all feel living here in TV will quickly disappear.

This much growth will surely bring much needed commercial growth with it that will be good for everyone.

If you haven't noticed, there is the beginnings of a decoupling process going on in TV. Do the people in the BW area really care what's happening in SS or even LSL? Do the people in the SS area really care what is going on in the BW area or Finney? More and more the answer is no. There's enough going on in everyone's local area that the distant areas of TV have little impact on our lives, this process will continue. Does this mean TV will fracture, likely not, it does mean lots of new options for recreation and commerce. This is the same process all cities go through as they grow and thrive.

To the developers I wish nothing but the best of luck in this new growth spurt. Bring on the bulldozers!

Nominated for Best Post of the Year.

:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

[MikeyBoo54]

Circletrack got it right. The Villages is about 113,000-115,000. The Metropolitan Statistical Area, known as The Villages MSA, is all of Sumter County and is about 157,000.

More than just Sumter. TV includes parts of Marion and Lake too.

[champion6]

More than just Sumter. TV includes parts of Marion and Lake too.Yes, but those parts of TV are not included in The Villages MSA - only the Sumter part. The 113,000-115,000 is the population of all The Villages - Marion, Lake and Sumter.

[Gordon82]

The article states, "That includes the community's newest neighborhood, the Village of Fenney, announced last May ..." It seems clear to me that Fenney is included in the 8,000 acres.

What I read was that there are 14,000 new homes planned, and that includes 4,600 of those were going to be in Fenney. The expansion is MUCH larger than just Fenney. The areas in green in the paper are the areas that have been purchased I believe. That's why they said "South of Brownwood" and not "South of The Turnpike". Lots of the land is north of the turnpike and some is all the way over to I-75.

Obvious questions are:

1) Will a new country club be built eventually? We know about the 4 executive courses being built in Fenney.

2) Will all of this be golf cart accessible from the "main campus" one day? Is there a goal to be able to get from anywhere to anywhere in The Villages in a golf cart?

[VirgoGirl]

Maybe now Trader Joe's and Costco will build here? :)

[Henryk]

Maybe now Trader Joe's and Costco will build here? :)

A question for you, please: What does Costco have that Sam's Club doesn't? Aren't they basically the same?

[photo1902]

A question for you, please: What does Costco have that Sam's Club doesn't? Aren't they basically the same?

Having had membership at both stores (currently only at Sam's), the only difference I can tell is that Costco has more letters in it's name :)

[JerryLBell]

A question for you, please: What does Costco have that Sam's Club doesn't? Aren't they basically the same?
Having been a member of Sam's Club, Costco and BJ's Warehouse, I'd prefer a Costco hands down over the other two. Selection is better for the stuff my wife and I like, quality is better for the house brands of the products we like and the employees are far more friendly and helpful.

[kansasr]

However the Census Bureau MSA (Metropolitan Statistical Area) known as The Villages is only Sumter County and is ALL of Sumter County.

[kansasr]

Integrity

[rivaridger1]

What I read was that there are 14,000 new homes planned, and that includes 4,600 of those were going to be in Fenney. The expansion is MUCH larger than just Fenney. The areas in green in the paper are the areas that have been purchased I believe. That's why they said "South of Brownwood" and not "South of The Turnpike". Lots of the land is north of the turnpike and some is all the way over to I-75.

Obvious questions are:

1) Will a new country club be built eventually? We know about the 4 executive courses being built in Fenney.

2) Will all of this be golf cart accessible from the "main campus" one day? Is there a goal to be able to get from anywhere to anywhere in The Villages in a golf cart?

Might some day be looking at a " Villages North " and a " Villages South ". Doubt they will ever be connected over 44, but who knows.

[SALYBOW]

Great news out today in the paper, The Villages is set to grow again. 8000+ more acres. Not a surprise, the developers are continuing their family business of Developing properties. Good for them for having vision and being successful in their business.

Now the whining will start - it's too big, they're greedy, blah blah blah...

Break out the cheese to go with you whine.

Get over it people, The Villages wasn't too big when you bought your house, but now it is, have to love the "I've got mine.." attitude of some people.

Greedy, nope, just good at their business. Those with the "greedy" and "How much is enough" mind set need to look in the mirror. What were you thinking when you were amassing you retirement savings? It was OK for you to be part of a growing business and working towards your future, but when others are successful they're evil? That green eyed monster jealousy is looking back at you in the mirror.

Continued growth is very good for the area, if the growth stops, unemployment will go up and with it crime; and the safety we all feel living here in TV will quickly disappear.

This much growth will surely bring much needed commercial growth with it that will be good for everyone.

If you haven't noticed, there is the beginnings of a decoupling process going on in TV. Do the people in the BW area really care what's happening in SS or even LSL? Do the people in the SS area really care what is going on in the BW area or Finney? More and more the answer is no. There's enough going on in everyone's local area that the distant areas of TV have little impact on our lives, this process will continue. Does this mean TV will fracture, likely not, it does mean lots of new options for recreation and commerce. This is the same process all cities go through as they grow and thrive.

To the developers I wish nothing but the best of luck in this new growth spurt. Bring on the bulldozers!


My feelings about the new growth is that when we bought we were promised that the building would max out in 2015 with a total of 90000 people, We considered the amenities, the infrastructure, The size and capacity of the roadways, etc. and decided the number was conducive to buying here.
Now the developer has added far more homes and people but has done nothing to improve the roads and infrastructure. When the birds are here is is already too crowded in restaurants, in the rec centers, at many recreational activities and the roads have become over crowded which, along with the driving acumen of renters ans snowbirds has increased the number of auto accidents has increased. The thing which has not increased and which will become woefully inadequate is the number of hospital and ER beds. That has always been a squeaky issue at the current number of residents.
I also Notice that the Village of Fenney which is more of a resort than the other Villages has access to all the villages amenities This will pretty much make it impossible to get into activities. It is the activities which brought us here so losing them will be a huge loss. Not so much of a reason to live here.
:cus: :popcorn: :yuck: :faint: :cryin2: :rant-rave:

[2BNTV]

Great news out today in the paper, The Villages is set to grow again. 8000+ more acres. Not a surprise, the developers are continuing their family business of Developing properties. Good for them for having vision and being successful in their business.

Now the whining will start - it's too big, they're greedy, blah blah blah...

Break out the cheese to go with you whine.

Get over it people, The Villages wasn't too big when you bought your house, but now it is, have to love the "I've got mine.." attitude of some people.

Greedy, nope, just good at their business. Those with the "greedy" and "How much is enough" mind set need to look in the mirror. What were you thinking when you were amassing you retirement savings? It was OK for you to be part of a growing business and working towards your future, but when others are successful they're evil? That green eyed monster jealousy is looking back at you in the mirror.

Continued growth is very good for the area, if the growth stops, unemployment will go up and with it crime; and the safety we all feel living here in TV will quickly disappear.

This much growth will surely bring much needed commercial growth with it that will be good for everyone.

If you haven't noticed, there is the beginnings of a decoupling process going on in TV. Do the people in the BW area really care what's happening in SS or even LSL? Do the people in the SS area really care what is going on in the BW area or Finney? More and more the answer is no. There's enough going on in everyone's local area that the distant areas of TV have little impact on our lives, this process will continue. Does this mean TV will fracture, likely not, it does mean lots of new options for recreation and commerce. This is the same process all cities go through as they grow and thrive.

To the developers I wish nothing but the best of luck in this new growth spurt. Bring on the bulldozers!

:bigbow:

I couldn't agree with you more. I for one, would not want to deny anyone living in this paradise.

The Daily Sun seems to have displayed Fenney as a resort type community with all of the accompanying facilities. I believe they said four golf course and a pool with a grill where food can be ordered.

I like to say that everyone tends to look at the finished product but they don't have the vision to borrow all of the money and take on a chance on TV being a successful community. Where were the naysayers when this was all cattle farms and watermelon patches.

A hearty round of applause to the Morse family for having the vision and creating/perpetuating this immaculate community.

:BigApplause: :BigApplause: :BigApplause:

[Goldwingnut]

Just to add a little more fun the the growth issue...
Last January a company called COW Hammock LLC purchased about 1100 acres on the north side of 44 near the county line west of I-75.

A quick look at corporationwiki.com and who's name appears, none other than members of the Morse family. Could this be more growth?

What could you possibly do with this much land???

And no, this is not the hunting camp land that was purchased a few years ago in Marion county a few years ago by the same company. Nor is this part of what was shown in the paper today.

[Jimmydoodlebug]

Great news out today in the paper, The Villages is set to grow again. 8000+ more acres. Not a surprise, the developers are continuing their family business of Developing properties. Good for them for having vision and being successful in their business.

Now the whining will start - it's too big, they're greedy, blah blah blah...

Break out the cheese to go with you whine.

Get over it people, The Villages wasn't too big when you bought your house, but now it is, have to love the "I've got mine.." attitude of some people.

Greedy, nope, just good at their business. Those with the "greedy" and "How much is enough" mind set need to look in the mirror. What were you thinking when you were amassing you retirement savings? It was OK for you to be part of a growing business and working towards your future, but when others are successful they're evil? That green eyed monster jealousy is looking back at you in the mirror.

Continued growth is very good for the area, if the growth stops, unemployment will go up and with it crime; and the safety we all feel living here in TV will quickly disappear.

This much growth will surely bring much needed commercial growth with it that will be good for everyone.

If you haven't noticed, there is the beginnings of a decoupling process going on in TV. Do the people in the BW area really care what's happening in SS or even LSL? Do the people in the SS area really care what is going on in the BW area or Finney? More and more the answer is no. There's enough going on in everyone's local area that the distant areas of TV have little impact on our lives, this process will continue. Does this mean TV will fracture, likely not, it does mean lots of new options for recreation and commerce. This is the same process all cities go through as they grow and thrive.

To the developers I wish nothing but the best of luck in this new growth spurt. Bring on the bulldozers!

Wait a minute.

Your post warning about whiners started by whining about whiners. :ohdear:

[MorTech]

Can't wait to drive the golf cart path from Key West to Havana...I guess I will need a gas cart for that...Whine!

[Harry Gilbert]

Haven't seen the article.
Does it say it will be a extension of the villages or at least a retirement community or is that just an assumption?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Having had membership at both stores (currently only at Sam's), the only difference I can tell is that Costco has more letters in it's name :)

It depends on the individual store. The Sam's in Ocala on 200 is much larger then the one here in Lady Lake.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

157,000 according to
Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Villages,_Florida)

It was 110,000 in 2014 according to this Bloomberg article.
Fastest-Growing Metro Area in U.S. Has No Crime or Kids - Bloomberg (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-06-27/fastest-growing-metro-area-in-u-s-has-no-crime-or-kids)

I can't imagine that we've only grown by 3,000-5,000 in three years. Especially where this article says that we're growing by 5% per year.

[Yorio]

Have been away from posting on TOTV as many of the postings became same old, same old. However, today I wanted to find out what's being said. Yes, more powers to the Morse's. The place is so clean, beautiful and cozy, indeed like a small Village even if the place is huge. I always anticipate what new things they are planning. Beautiful sculptures in Brownwood was so wonderful. Really enjoying Sharon Studio Theater in Tiel del Sol. Paper mentions a park. Wonder if they are planning an English park or maybe a Japanese park? Indeed now we can get Whole Foods, COTSCO and Trader Joe's? Definitely COTSCO is hands down over Sam's. How about Wegman's. Wonder if City of Wildwood will rearrange themselves so we can visit more often there instead of making a trip to South Park Avenue, Winter Park with so many nice restaurants. Yes, no mention about a country club or ways to get to Fenney via golf cart but am sure Morse's have thought all of it through. Should be lot of fun.

[Ecuadog]

... How about Wegman's. ...

If only...

[champion6]

Haven't seen the article.
Does it say it will be a extension of the villages or at least a retirement community or is that just an assumption?Link to story in Post #17

[asianthree]

Having been a member of Sam's Club, Costco and BJ's Warehouse, I'd prefer a Costco hands down over the other two. Selection is better for the stuff my wife and I like, quality is better for the house brands of the products we like and the employees are far more friendly and helpful.

Have membership at both, what one does not carry the other does

[Barefoot]

The Villages wasn't too big when you bought your house, but now it is, have to love the "I've got mine.." attitude of some people.

Greedy, nope, just good at their business. Those with the "greedy" and "How much is enough" mind set need to look in the mirror. What were you thinking when you were amassing you retirement savings? It was OK for you to be part of a growing business and working towards your future, but when others are successful they're evil? That green eyed monster jealousy is looking back at you in the mirror.

Continued growth is very good for the area, if the growth stops, unemployment will go up and with it crime; and the safety we all feel living here in TV will quickly disappear.

This much growth will surely bring much needed commercial growth with it that will be good for everyone.

If you haven't noticed, there is the beginnings of a decoupling process going on in TV. Do the people in the BW area really care what's happening in SS or even LSL? Do the people in the SS area really care what is going on in the BW area or Finney? More and more the answer is no. There's enough going on in everyone's local area that the distant areas of TV have little impact on our lives, this process will continue. Does this mean TV will fracture, likely not, it does mean lots of new options for recreation and commerce. This is the same process all cities go through as they grow and thrive.

To the developers I wish nothing but the best of luck in this new growth spurt. Bring on the bulldozers!

:agree:

[HoosierPa]

Having been a member of Sam's Club, Costco and BJ's Warehouse, I'd prefer a Costco hands down over the other two. Selection is better for the stuff my wife and I like, quality is better for the house brands of the products we like and the employees are far more friendly and helpful.

Agreed 100% on all counts

[EnglishJW]

Having been a member of Sam's Club, Costco and BJ's Warehouse, I'd prefer a Costco hands down over the other two. Selection is better for the stuff my wife and I like, quality is better for the house brands of the products we like and the employees are far more friendly and helpful.

I agree.

[patfla06]

We live just south of 466A (Gilchrist) and my husband jokes
we may end up being in the middle of T.V.

Fenney is 10 miles from us going south on Morse Blvd.
I think it's going to be an independent place of it's own.
Won't be surprised if the 4th town square goes in there.

[rubicon]

Great news out today in the paper, The Villages is set to grow again. 8000+ more acres. Not a surprise, the developers are continuing their family business of Developing properties. Good for them for having vision and being successful in their business.

Now the whining will start - it's too big, they're greedy, blah blah blah...

Break out the cheese to go with you whine.

Get over it people, The Villages wasn't too big when you bought your house, but now it is, have to love the "I've got mine.." attitude of some people.

Greedy, nope, just good at their business. Those with the "greedy" and "How much is enough" mind set need to look in the mirror. What were you thinking when you were amassing you retirement savings? It was OK for you to be part of a growing business and working towards your future, but when others are successful they're evil? That green eyed monster jealousy is looking back at you in the mirror.

Continued growth is very good for the area, if the growth stops, unemployment will go up and with it crime; and the safety we all feel living here in TV will quickly disappear.

This much growth will surely bring much needed commercial growth with it that will be good for everyone.

If you haven't noticed, there is the beginnings of a decoupling process going on in TV. Do the people in the BW area really care what's happening in SS or even LSL? Do the people in the SS area really care what is going on in the BW area or Finney? More and more the answer is no. There's enough going on in everyone's local area that the distant areas of TV have little impact on our lives, this process will continue. Does this mean TV will fracture, likely not, it does mean lots of new options for recreation and commerce. This is the same process all cities go through as they grow and thrive.

To the developers I wish nothing but the best of luck in this new growth spurt. Bring on the bulldozers!

Yep that's what they said in Houston in the 1980's until the housing market fell apart because of over saturation causing people literally to walk away from their homes
the only winner in this continuing saga are those selling land and developing on it. Home buyers will have plenty of time to think about it as they sit in traffic or stand in a line at a store. Who the heck would celebrate over crowding. Geezzz

[Polar Bear]

Yep that's what they said in Houston in the 1980's until the housing market fell apart because of over saturation causing people literally to walk away from their homes
the only winner in this continuing saga are those selling land and developing on it. Home buyers will have plenty of time to think about it as they sit in traffic or stand in a line at a store. Who the heck would celebrate over crowding. Geezzz
None of us who simply live here and enjoy what is has to offer are winners? Hmmm.

Now there's a positive outlook for ya. Geezzz.

(By the way, it's obvious you have never experienced real traffic.)

[ColdNoMore]

Having been a member of Sam's Club, Costco and BJ's Warehouse, I'd prefer a Costco hands down over the other two. Selection is better for the stuff my wife and I like, quality is better for the house brands of the products we like and the employees are far more friendly and helpful.

Agreed. :thumbup:

[Carpe Diem]

I hope they open up more space for churches than they did south of 466a.

My prediction: A lot of the land they own is along the turnpike. The developer really "wows" non-Villagers passing through on 466A with golf courses, ponds, landscaping, and such. I'm sure they're going to do the same along the turnpike so that people driving by are going to be totally amazed. With that, I'm sure that the exit ramp is going to have the "mother of all squares" placed nearby. I can just see it: "Honey, honey, turn off here!!!" Can't wait.

Yes, more churches . . . and maybe putt putt golf for the grandchildren. With REAL windmills! I'm hoping it won't be too hard to get a tee time.

So share your ideas with the Developer here. Try to get beyond the Trader Joe's - Sam's Club debate.

[Carpe Diem]

I'm thinking . . . It's probably a shorter drive from Rohan Rec Center to Fenney than it is from Rohan to Spanish Springs.

[circletrack]

My feelings about the new growth is that when we bought we were promised that the building would max out in 2015 with a total of 90000 people, We considered the amenities, the infrastructure, The size and capacity of the roadways, etc. and decided the number was conducive to buying here.
Now the developer has added far more homes and people but has done nothing to improve the roads and infrastructure. When the birds are here is is already too crowded in restaurants, in the rec centers, at many recreational activities and the roads have become over crowded which, along with the driving acumen of renters ans snowbirds has increased the number of auto accidents has increased. The thing which has not increased and which will become woefully inadequate is the number of hospital and ER beds. That has always been a squeaky issue at the current number of residents.
I also Notice that the Village of Fenney which is more of a resort than the other Villages has access to all the villages amenities This will pretty much make it impossible to get into activities. It is the activities which brought us here so losing them will be a huge loss. Not so much of a reason to live here.
:cus: :popcorn: :yuck: :faint: :cryin2: :rant-rave:

Morse Blvd needs some work, but nearly all of the roads and infrastructure around here didn't even exist before. It was all built as the development expanded. And they've continued to add more and more and more rec centers, golf courses and pools as well. What more is needed?

I understand clubs and activities fill up quickly, but those are most often resident organized. So get get organizing! Haha.

[kcrazorbackfan]

We live just south of 466A (Gilchrist) and my husband jokes
we may end up being in the middle of T.V.

Fenney is 10 miles from us going south on Morse Blvd.
I think it's going to be an independent place of it's own.
Won't be surprised if the 4th town square goes in there.

There is going to be another town square, there is going to be another 27 hole championship golf course and there will be a connector between the existing Villages property, Fenney and all the other property being bought by The Developers down that way. It may be awhile, but it is going to happen.

[Bosoxfan]

There is going to be another town square, there is going to be another 27 hole championship golf course and there will be a connector between the existing Villages property, Fenney and all the other property being bought by The Developers down that way. It may be awhile, but it is going to happen.

My prediction is a tunnel under 44.....Closing down 2 lanes while they put a concrete tube would be inconvenient but I believe would be easier then building a bridge.....JMHO

[Jebstuart]

I hope they open up more space for churches than they did south of 466a.

.

Can you explain this? Who is they? Don't churches purchase land and build on it or do you mean the developer should donate land so churches can be constructed? Not getting this at all.

[Barefoot]

Can you explain this? Who is they? Don't churches purchase land and build on it or do you mean the developer should donate land so churches can be constructed? Not getting this at all.And which religions should be encouraged by the Developer to build churches? :ohdear:

[Fraugoofy]

A question for you, please: What does Costco have that Sam's Club doesn't? Aren't they basically the same?
Costco has the best store bought chicken pot pie ever! Sam's and Costco are basically the same in concept, but Costco is hands down a better place to shop...cleaner store, friendlier employees and higher quality selection...

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[MorTech]

There is already Grace Tabernacle on 468..err..Morris Blvd...err..WhatEv. Do younger retirees even go to church?

There is still a large gap on 44@Morse and 468 that is not owned by The Villages. MMP connection is not yet happening.

[Jayhawk]

Have membership at both, what one does not carry the other does


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[alanmcdonald]

New Covenant United Methodist did purchase land from the developer to build a second church near Dunedin. Construction hopefully will start this spring. The developer makes less selling land than homes.

[Duppa]

8,000 MORE acres! Growth! Love LOve LOVe LOVE it! So much excitement to be part of the TV Experience! Let's face this fact together, when we collectively bought, TV's growth excitement was certainly in the cool-aid, was it not?

Now, concerns... there are concerns, but none negate the upside of growth. Frankly, what does it really matter what "TV sellers" said or didn't say about growth (build-out). As we bought (all of us below 466A), I could have cared less about any so-called "build out." We bought in the "last (new) Patio Villas in TV" now we know we bought in the last Patio Villas north of 44. Whatever. Now, we learn (but I also suspected in my informal survey of the great "empty" expanse south of 44) that we were about to be in the MIDDLE of a one-day expanded TV. And now, we are and I say "Hurrah for us" all of us!

Location, Location Location... I'd tell a TV Northerner, I'm from the deep TV South, Osceola Hills, and they'd look wide-eyed, "Where (the hell) is that?!?" Well, now the answer is about to be, "in the great middle"... Morse will be the gateway to the whole of The Villages. Travelers driving by on the Florida Turnpike will TURN THEIR HEADS DIZZY, amazed at what TV is about to build near the turnpike! Gorgeous (and numerous) golf courses, acres of spanking new beautiful houses, sprawling recreation centers and sparkling pools and RETAIL to beat the band! And, no doubt, the creme-de-la-creme, another fantastically fabulous Town-Centre. That's Growth!

The numbers: 8,000 acres? If Fenney is 1,000 acres with 3,000 homes, is it reasonable to conclude that the other 7,000 acres will support another 12,000 to 16,000 homes? If true, these are amazing numbers! And where (and why) are TV Developers moving on growth? Simple demographics: As reported, 1.7 million folks retire each year; 200,000 seek to move to southern homes; some 53,000 to 58,000 move to Florida. TV Developers are working on capturing some 3% to 6% of those numbers. This math appears to supports TV's projected growth model. Sure, nothing is set is stone, but the "Baby Boomer" retirement projections are a fairly "safe bet"... We have to live somewhere, why not here?

Clubs/Activities: Yes, increased populations would spell disaster! If.... Yes, no chance to enjoy activities on a long, long waiting list....if... This projection disaster is shortsighted, assuming that the new growth will place people-pressure on "their clubs"... The fact here is that new growth areas will create MORE opportunities for hundreds of new clubs and activities... With the 8,000 acres (and its TV growth) there will be MORE clubs/activities. Imagine the SIZE of our Weekly Activities
Guide?!

Retail: 156,000 plus people with money to spend? Holy Cow! TV's Retail Team will be very very busy leasing properties! And it's all good to us.

Growth: The expansion of TV is controlled... growth is timed and spread out. On point, the growth of TV south of 44 will have little to no impact on the day-to-day life of folks in Chatham. As I heard from TV Northerners, other than a first-look-see, those I chat with confessed they never visit Brownwood, do not play the South of 466A executive courses, and certainly do not shop at Colony or anywhere near 466A and south. The truth of this is, with timed growth spread out over such a large area we can shop where we want, eat where we want with relative ease. I mention Colony, as shopping there with the snow-birds in, has been (and is) tricky... but growth there has a solution; Wal-Mart is building a store across the street from Colony-Publix diverting/spliting use-traffic south of 466A between Colony and Wal-Mart area where the Pine Hills/Pine Ridge armies will easily access off Moyer. Word here, patience. Build the basics, allow others to fill in the needs... that's how it works (in theory).

Disney (and Orlando): Look at Disney World... Look at it's growth... Is Disney "over-built"? Does adding new park areas increase the value of the Disney Experience or decrease that experience? Disney's model of growth is no different than TV's... Disney grows because the "numbers" are there and since 1971 that model has worked... Same with TV, starting in 1973 (?), growth has been sustained... If it works, if the numbers support it, why not?

Bottom Line, for me (and I more than suppose thousands of us), growth? Bring it on... Sharing TV is a wonderful gift...

[yabbadu]

I was a little confused by the Daily Sun article. Is that 8000 new acres, or is Finney part of the 8000 acres?

Just curious.....

Its Fenney......

[rustyp]

Seems like a good time to dust off an old one I concocted several years ago about growing pains when we were around a population of 60,000.

I was on my way to pick up the mail which is next to the doggie park. I see
this young person walking a dog that just did it's business. The young whipper
snapper simply walks away without picking up the evidence. I was so upset
that these young people have no respect for our community I shouted out you must
be 55 to live here. The young person flipped me the bird.
I do an immediate U turn in my gasoline driven golf cart and promptly fall out.
I was too cheap to buy those seat belts.
As I lie there on the ground and another golf cart runs me over.
My lucky day, it's only a scrape. I was in district 4 where the Multi Modal Paths
(MMPs) are stripped and the driver refused to cross the line to avoid me.
The Community Watch guy shows up and tells both of us not to move.
I tell I'm alright but I obey his command. I suspect he has some sort of official authority.
He must have authority his truck has bright yellow flashing lights and official looking
decals from one end to the other. He is well armed with a flashlight and a clipboard.
I laid there motionless on the newly widened freshly blacktopped MMP courtesy of the windfall
lawsuit money the northern 466 districts won against The Developer.
I had plenty of time to reflect on should I pay off my bond or will I loose my tax deduction - no conclusion.
The EMT's finally arrived far over their usual 6 minute response time and were very apologetic.
They explained they were on a call to rescue snowbirds that flipped their car over
in a roundabout. Apparently they were trying to avoid a bicyclist that flipped them the
bird for not giving the state mandated three feet clearance. They bowed their heads
and mumbled something about the cyclist would still be alive if only he would have
taken the lane. The EMT's proclaimed the good news was the birds were granted
immediate admittance to The Villages Hospital due to being transported in via ambulance.
Out of no where the police show up and drill me if I been drinking and driving my golf
cart on the MMP. I said I only had one which I purchased at Spanish Springs Square
two hour happy hour. I explain I felt guilty passing the square without supporting The Developer
for providing me such a great place to live. I also hear tell the developer may be in
danger of not maximizing profits. Well civic duty called. The LEO's still made me
walk the line. I passed the test - good thing cause I overheard them talking to
each other did they really have jurisdiction on a MMP. The dust has settled and I'm
free to go.
OH NO I just remember I have a tee time in 15 minutes - I'm already within the 20 minute rule.
I put my gasoline cart to the boards. I must confess probably doing 22 mph but that's the
risk I have to take. I know very well if I get into an accident while speeding
my insurance won't cover it. I could lose everything I own. Dam the torpedoes
I'm late for golf. I get to Turtle Mound and there are no parking spots. Some
ignorant inconsiderate person, I suspect from the new neighborhoods south of 466A parked
over the line taking up two spaces. Even though I'm late I stop and take a
picture with my cell phone to send to "the other newspaper" tomorrow.
I get to the starter shack window and this overly friendly man with a smile
explains I lost my tee time and just earned myself three cancellation points.
Dejected I leave. Back on the MMP
I realize I have not eaten today. I wheel into one of the four one owner concession
country club restaurants for a bite. I forgot my customer loyalty card at
home and had to pay full price for a drink. I order my meal. It took 1.2 hours to
arrive and it was cold. I wanted to send it back but I read on Talk Of The Villages
never send your meal back to the kitchen. You don't want know what they do to
returned food the second time around. I get the manager. HE looks like 16 years old.
I complain politely and to my surprise he apologized and compted me dessert.
Well I don't eat desserts so I pass. I thanked him and left quietly. I felt sorry for the
owner because the rent is very expensive and the place was so busy. Anyone who
lives in The Villages is duly aware of the need for these courageous high risk taking
entrepreneurs to make or break it during high season. I call it a night. I'm driving home
and remember I started out to get the mail. I travel past the square again. It's the end of
break time. I can hear the announcer proclaiming how we appreciate your grandchildren.
No coolers are allowed on the square per Florida statute. Seat saving is not permitted.
I chuckle. I know the speech in my sleep.
I pull into the postal station and guess what I see. A person buckling a dog into
the rear seat of their car and a fresh bag of dog poop in the garbage receptacle.
You can just tell by looking at her she was a renter. By now I have no fight left in me.
I give her a friendly head nod and proceed to mailbox which is on the lowest row.
As I approach the sea of silver doors I discover someone removed my smiley face sticker.
I can't remember my box number. On my knees I fumble through my keys
and get to the big gold one that weighs about three pounds and lady luck strikes again.
It has the box number stamped on it. I open the box. Inside is just one letter.
It is from the VCDD. My amenities fees have been raised from $145 to $148.
How far do these bureaucrats think my social security goes? Riding home I give
the increase further thought and conclude it's still a pretty good deal for what we get.
It's 8 pm and I fall asleep in my chair after another normal day in The Villages.

[Barefoot]

Seems like a good time to dust off an old one I concocted several years ago about growing pains when we were around a population of 60,000.

I was on my way to pick up the mail which is next to the doggie park. I see
this young person walking a dog that just did it's business. The young whipper
snapper simply walks away without picking up the evidence. I was so upset
that these young people have no respect for our community I shouted out you must
be 55 to live here. The young person flipped me the bird.
I do an immediate U turn in my gasoline driven golf cart and promptly fall out.
I was too cheap to buy those seat belts.
As I lie there on the ground and another golf cart runs me over.
My lucky day, it's only a scrape. I was in district 4 where the Multi Modal Paths
(MMPs) are stripped and the driver refused to cross the line to avoid me.
The Community Watch guy shows up and tells both of us not to move.
I tell I'm alright but I obey his command. I suspect he has some sort of official authority.
He must have authority his truck has bright yellow flashing lights and official looking
decals from one end to the other. He is well armed with a flashlight and a clipboard.
I laid there motionless on the newly widened freshly blacktopped MMP courtesy of the windfall
lawsuit money the northern 466 districts won against The Developer.
I had plenty of time to reflect on should I pay off my bond or will I loose my tax deduction - no conclusion.
The EMT's finally arrived far over their usual 6 minute response time and were very apologetic.
They explained they were on a call to rescue snowbirds that flipped their car over
in a roundabout. Apparently they were trying to avoid a bicyclist that flipped them the
bird for not giving the state mandated three feet clearance. They bowed their heads
and mumbled something about the cyclist would still be alive if only he would have
taken the lane. The EMT's proclaimed the good news was the birds were granted
immediate admittance to The Villages Hospital due to being transported in via ambulance.
Out of no where the police show up and drill me if I been drinking and driving my golf
cart on the MMP. I said I only had one which I purchased at Spanish Springs Square
two hour happy hour. I explain I felt guilty passing the square without supporting The Developer
for providing me such a great place to live. I also hear tell the developer may be in
danger of not maximizing profits. Well civic duty called. The LEO's still made me
walk the line. I passed the test - good thing cause I overheard them talking to
each other did they really have jurisdiction on a MMP. The dust has settled and I'm
free to go.
OH NO I just remember I have a tee time in 15 minutes - I'm already within the 20 minute rule.
I put my gasoline cart to the boards. I must confess probably doing 22 mph but that's the
risk I have to take. I know very well if I get into an accident while speeding
my insurance won't cover it. I could lose everything I own. Dam the torpedoes
I'm late for golf. I get to Turtle Mound and there are no parking spots. Some
ignorant inconsiderate person, I suspect from the new neighborhoods south of 466A parked
over the line taking up two spaces. Even though I'm late I stop and take a
picture with my cell phone to send to "the other newspaper" tomorrow.
I get to the starter shack window and this overly friendly man with a smile
explains I lost my tee time and just earned myself three cancellation points.
Dejected I leave. Back on the MMP
I realize I have not eaten today. I wheel into one of the four one owner concession
country club restaurants for a bite. I forgot my customer loyalty card at
home and had to pay full price for a drink. I order my meal. It took 1.2 hours to
arrive and it was cold. I wanted to send it back but I read on Talk Of The Villages
never send your meal back to the kitchen. You don't want know what they do to
returned food the second time around. I get the manager. HE looks like 16 years old.
I complain politely and to my surprise he apologized and compted me dessert.
Well I don't eat desserts so I pass. I thanked him and left quietly. I felt sorry for the
owner because the rent is very expensive and the place was so busy. Anyone who
lives in The Villages is duly aware of the need for these courageous high risk taking
entrepreneurs to make or break it during high season. I call it a night. I'm driving home
and remember I started out to get the mail. I travel past the square again. It's the end of
break time. I can hear the announcer proclaiming how we appreciate your grandchildren.
No coolers are allowed on the square per Florida statute. Seat saving is not permitted.
I chuckle. I know the speech in my sleep.
I pull into the postal station and guess what I see. A person buckling a dog into
the rear seat of their car and a fresh bag of dog poop in the garbage receptacle.
You can just tell by looking at her she was a renter. By now I have no fight left in me.
I give her a friendly head nod and proceed to mailbox which is on the lowest row.
As I approach the sea of silver doors I discover someone removed my smiley face sticker.
I can't remember my box number. On my knees I fumble through my keys
and get to the big gold one that weighs about three pounds and lady luck strikes again.
It has the box number stamped on it. I open the box. Inside is just one letter.
It is from the VCDD. My amenities fees have been raised from $145 to $148.
How far do these bureaucrats think my social security goes? Riding home I give
the increase further thought and conclude it's still a pretty good deal for what we get.
It's 8 pm and I fall asleep in my chair after another normal day in The Villages.:thumbup:Hilarious.

[golfing eagles]

Yep that's what they said in Houston in the 1980's until the housing market fell apart because of over saturation causing people literally to walk away from their homes
the only winner in this continuing saga are those selling land and developing on it. Home buyers will have plenty of time to think about it as they sit in traffic or stand in a line at a store. Who the heck would celebrate over crowding. Geezzz

Not the same thing at all. People did not walk away from their homes in Houston because of "oversaturation", they left because they lost their jobs. Enron, the bursting of the dot-com bubble, and a decline in the energy industry all had a big impact on an area that was growing with WORKING people. Developers built high price homes on spec and were left holding the bag.
As a retirement community, TV is not dependent on the job market, but more on assets, investments and pensions of retirees. The demographics of the baby boom is undeniable, and there will be a steady stream of them heading our way.

[ColdNoMore]

seems like a good time to dust off an old one i concocted several years ago about growing pains when we were around a population of 60,000.

I was on my way to pick up the mail which is next to the doggie park. I see
this young person walking a dog that just did it's business. The young whipper
snapper simply walks away without picking up the evidence. I was so upset
that these young people have no respect for our community i shouted out you must
be 55 to live here. The young person flipped me the bird.
I do an immediate u turn in my gasoline driven golf cart and promptly fall out.
I was too cheap to buy those seat belts.
As i lie there on the ground and another golf cart runs me over.
My lucky day, it's only a scrape. I was in district 4 where the multi modal paths
(mmps) are stripped and the driver refused to cross the line to avoid me.
The community watch guy shows up and tells both of us not to move.
I tell i'm alright but i obey his command. I suspect he has some sort of official authority.
He must have authority his truck has bright yellow flashing lights and official looking
decals from one end to the other. He is well armed with a flashlight and a clipboard.
I laid there motionless on the newly widened freshly blacktopped mmp courtesy of the windfall
lawsuit money the northern 466 districts won against the developer.
I had plenty of time to reflect on should i pay off my bond or will i loose my tax deduction - no conclusion.
The emt's finally arrived far over their usual 6 minute response time and were very apologetic.
They explained they were on a call to rescue snowbirds that flipped their car over
in a roundabout. Apparently they were trying to avoid a bicyclist that flipped them the
bird for not giving the state mandated three feet clearance. They bowed their heads
and mumbled something about the cyclist would still be alive if only he would have
taken the lane. The emt's proclaimed the good news was the birds were granted
immediate admittance to the villages hospital due to being transported in via ambulance.
Out of no where the police show up and drill me if i been drinking and driving my golf
cart on the mmp. I said i only had one which i purchased at spanish springs square
two hour happy hour. I explain i felt guilty passing the square without supporting the developer
for providing me such a great place to live. I also hear tell the developer may be in
danger of not maximizing profits. Well civic duty called. The leo's still made me
walk the line. I passed the test - good thing cause i overheard them talking to
each other did they really have jurisdiction on a mmp. The dust has settled and i'm
free to go.
Oh no i just remember i have a tee time in 15 minutes - i'm already within the 20 minute rule.
I put my gasoline cart to the boards. I must confess probably doing 22 mph but that's the
risk i have to take. I know very well if i get into an accident while speeding
my insurance won't cover it. I could lose everything i own. Dam the torpedoes
i'm late for golf. I get to turtle mound and there are no parking spots. Some
ignorant inconsiderate person, i suspect from the new neighborhoods south of 466a parked
over the line taking up two spaces. Even though i'm late i stop and take a
picture with my cell phone to send to "the other newspaper" tomorrow.
I get to the starter shack window and this overly friendly man with a smile
explains i lost my tee time and just earned myself three cancellation points.
Dejected i leave. Back on the mmp
i realize i have not eaten today. I wheel into one of the four one owner concession
country club restaurants for a bite. I forgot my customer loyalty card at
home and had to pay full price for a drink. I order my meal. It took 1.2 hours to
arrive and it was cold. I wanted to send it back but i read on talk of the villages
never send your meal back to the kitchen. You don't want know what they do to
returned food the second time around. I get the manager. He looks like 16 years old.
I complain politely and to my surprise he apologized and compted me dessert.
Well i don't eat desserts so i pass. I thanked him and left quietly. I felt sorry for the
owner because the rent is very expensive and the place was so busy. Anyone who
lives in the villages is duly aware of the need for these courageous high risk taking
entrepreneurs to make or break it during high season. I call it a night. I'm driving home
and remember i started out to get the mail. I travel past the square again. It's the end of
break time. I can hear the announcer proclaiming how we appreciate your grandchildren.
No coolers are allowed on the square per florida statute. Seat saving is not permitted.
I chuckle. I know the speech in my sleep.
I pull into the postal station and guess what i see. A person buckling a dog into
the rear seat of their car and a fresh bag of dog poop in the garbage receptacle.
You can just tell by looking at her she was a renter. By now i have no fight left in me.
I give her a friendly head nod and proceed to mailbox which is on the lowest row.
As i approach the sea of silver doors i discover someone removed my smiley face sticker.
I can't remember my box number. On my knees i fumble through my keys
and get to the big gold one that weighs about three pounds and lady luck strikes again.
It has the box number stamped on it. I open the box. Inside is just one letter.
It is from the vcdd. My amenities fees have been raised from $145 to $148.
How far do these bureaucrats think my social security goes? Riding home i give
the increase further thought and conclude it's still a pretty good deal for what we get.
It's 8 pm and i fall asleep in my chair after another normal day in the villages.

Classic! :D

[alwann]

Rusty:

You should publish. You're quite creative, and I love sarcasm.
We shouldn't worry about over-population in TV. I heard an executive order coming out of the White House will forbid people from blue states moving to Florida and deport registered Dems to New York.

[Boomer]

Seems like a good time to dust off an old one I concocted several years ago about growing pains when we were around a population of 60,000.

I was on my way to pick up the mail which is next to the doggie park. I see
this young person walking a dog that just did it's business. The young whipper
snapper simply walks away without picking up the evidence. I was so upset
that these young people have no respect for our community I shouted out you must
be 55 to live here. The young person flipped me the bird.
I do an immediate U turn in my gasoline driven golf cart and promptly fall out.
I was too cheap to buy those seat belts.
As I lie there on the ground and another golf cart runs me over.
My lucky day, it's only a scrape. I was in district 4 where the Multi Modal Paths
(MMPs) are stripped and the driver refused to cross the line to avoid me.
The Community Watch guy shows up and tells both of us not to move.
I tell I'm alright but I obey his command. I suspect he has some sort of official authority.
He must have authority his truck has bright yellow flashing lights and official looking
decals from one end to the other. He is well armed with a flashlight and a clipboard.
I laid there motionless on the newly widened freshly blacktopped MMP courtesy of the windfall
lawsuit money the northern 466 districts won against The Developer.
I had plenty of time to reflect on should I pay off my bond or will I loose my tax deduction - no conclusion.
The EMT's finally arrived far over their usual 6 minute response time and were very apologetic.
They explained they were on a call to rescue snowbirds that flipped their car over
in a roundabout. Apparently they were trying to avoid a bicyclist that flipped them the
bird for not giving the state mandated three feet clearance. They bowed their heads
and mumbled something about the cyclist would still be alive if only he would have
taken the lane. The EMT's proclaimed the good news was the birds were granted
immediate admittance to The Villages Hospital due to being transported in via ambulance.
Out of no where the police show up and drill me if I been drinking and driving my golf
cart on the MMP. I said I only had one which I purchased at Spanish Springs Square
two hour happy hour. I explain I felt guilty passing the square without supporting The Developer
for providing me such a great place to live. I also hear tell the developer may be in
danger of not maximizing profits. Well civic duty called. The LEO's still made me
walk the line. I passed the test - good thing cause I overheard them talking to
each other did they really have jurisdiction on a MMP. The dust has settled and I'm
free to go.
OH NO I just remember I have a tee time in 15 minutes - I'm already within the 20 minute rule.
I put my gasoline cart to the boards. I must confess probably doing 22 mph but that's the
risk I have to take. I know very well if I get into an accident while speeding
my insurance won't cover it. I could lose everything I own. Dam the torpedoes
I'm late for golf. I get to Turtle Mound and there are no parking spots. Some
ignorant inconsiderate person, I suspect from the new neighborhoods south of 466A parked
over the line taking up two spaces. Even though I'm late I stop and take a
picture with my cell phone to send to "the other newspaper" tomorrow.
I get to the starter shack window and this overly friendly man with a smile
explains I lost my tee time and just earned myself three cancellation points.
Dejected I leave. Back on the MMP
I realize I have not eaten today. I wheel into one of the four one owner concession
country club restaurants for a bite. I forgot my customer loyalty card at
home and had to pay full price for a drink. I order my meal. It took 1.2 hours to
arrive and it was cold. I wanted to send it back but I read on Talk Of The Villages
never send your meal back to the kitchen. You don't want know what they do to
returned food the second time around. I get the manager. HE looks like 16 years old.
I complain politely and to my surprise he apologized and compted me dessert.
Well I don't eat desserts so I pass. I thanked him and left quietly. I felt sorry for the
owner because the rent is very expensive and the place was so busy. Anyone who
lives in The Villages is duly aware of the need for these courageous high risk taking
entrepreneurs to make or break it during high season. I call it a night. I'm driving home
and remember I started out to get the mail. I travel past the square again. It's the end of
break time. I can hear the announcer proclaiming how we appreciate your grandchildren.
No coolers are allowed on the square per Florida statute. Seat saving is not permitted.
I chuckle. I know the speech in my sleep.
I pull into the postal station and guess what I see. A person buckling a dog into
the rear seat of their car and a fresh bag of dog poop in the garbage receptacle.
You can just tell by looking at her she was a renter. By now I have no fight left in me.
I give her a friendly head nod and proceed to mailbox which is on the lowest row.
As I approach the sea of silver doors I discover someone removed my smiley face sticker.
I can't remember my box number. On my knees I fumble through my keys
and get to the big gold one that weighs about three pounds and lady luck strikes again.
It has the box number stamped on it. I open the box. Inside is just one letter.
It is from the VCDD. My amenities fees have been raised from $145 to $148.
How far do these bureaucrats think my social security goes? Riding home I give
the increase further thought and conclude it's still a pretty good deal for what we get.
It's 8 pm and I fall asleep in my chair after another normal day in The Villages.


Hello, rustyp,

You got it! You really got it!

I laughed out loud and I am still smiling!

Thanks!

Boomer

[spring_chicken]

Wait a minute.

Your post warning about whiners started by whining about whiners. :ohdear:

Odd how OP goes on and on chastising about posts that don't even happen, lol. I guess if you start a thread by berating anyone who disagrees with you, it raises the chance that they won't reply?

[Barefoot]

***

[fred53]

So the original poster of this is actually whining about the whining....seems a bit hypocritical.

[irmajean]

There was a lot of talk about the new growth at the hairdresser's the day before this article came out in the paper. You can be skeptical but I've often gotten great and reliable information from talk at the hairdresser's! LOL! Anyway, one woman said she had been to a community watch meeting the night before and heard that a new town square was being built in the Fenney area. It is to have a New Orleans theme! It will be fun to see if this plays out. Go Morse family! Love, love, love the excitement here!

[VApeople]

So the original poster of this is actually whining about the whining....seems a bit hypocritical.

Hey, we gotta whine about something, even if it just warning about other people whining.

This reminds me of a scene in The Simpsons. Lisa goes over to Nelson's house and sees a poster that says "Nuke The Whales".

Lisa asks, "Do you really believe that?"

Nelson responds, "Gotta nuke something".

The writers must have a great time sitting around thinking these things up.

[OhioBuckeye]

Great news out today in the paper, The Villages is set to grow again. 8000+ more acres. Not a surprise, the developers are continuing their family business of Developing properties. Good for them for having vision and being successful in their business.

Now the whining will start - it's too big, they're greedy, blah blah blah...

Break out the cheese to go with you whine.

Get over it people, The Villages wasn't too big when you bought your house, but now it is, have to love the "I've got mine.." attitude of some people.

Greedy, nope, just good at their business. Those with the "greedy" and "How much is enough" mind set need to look in the mirror. What were you thinking when you were amassing you retirement savings? It was OK for you to be part of a growing business and working towards your future, but when others are successful they're evil? That green eyed monster jealousy is looking back at you in the mirror.

Continued growth is very good for the area, if the growth stops, unemployment will go up and with it crime; and the safety we all feel living here in TV will quickly disappear.

This much growth will surely bring much needed commercial growth with it that will be good for everyone.

If you haven't noticed, there is the beginnings of a decoupling process going on in TV. Do the people in the BW area really care what's happening in SS or even LSL? Do the people in the SS area really care what is going on in the BW area or Finney? More and more the answer is no. There's enough going on in everyone's local area that the distant areas of TV have little impact on our lives, this process will continue. Does this mean TV will fracture, likely not, it does mean lots of new options for recreation and commerce. This is the same process all cities go through as they grow and thrive.

To the developers I wish nothing but the best of luck in this new growth spurt. Bring on the bulldozers!

No whining from me. If I don't like something about TV, I'll move. There's other places like TV, maybe on a smaller scale but I know from being there there cheaper there for amenities, restaurants & you don't have every repairman, vendor to fix everything banging on your door. TV is a great place to live but even the people that's lived here for 15,20 to 25 yrs. tell me that when they first moved here you could live like a millionaire, now they say you got to be a millionaire to live here. Think about it most of us are living on pensions & saving from what we made 10 to 30 yrs. ago. But with nothing getting cheaper here it's draining some people very quickly. Remember nobody is keeping anybody prisoned here!

[IndianaJones]

There is already Grace Tabernacle on 468..err..Morris Blvd...err..WhatEv. Do younger retirees even go to church?

There is still a large gap on 44@Morse and 468 that is not owned by The Villages. MMP connection is not yet happening.

No, they don't go to church. And they're leaving in droves, as well. For example:
From the United States Census Bureau (statistics source):
· Every year more than 4000 churches close their doors compared to just over 1000 new church starts.
· Every year, 2.7 million church members fall into inactivity. This translates into the realization that people are leaving the church.
· From 1990 to 2000, the combined membership of all Protestant denominations in the USA declined by almost 5 million members (9.5 percent), while the US population increased by 24 million (11 percent). From 2000 to 2010, it was worse - almost 9 million members left.
· The United States now ranks third (3rd) following China and India in the number of people who are not professing Christians; in other words, the U.S. is becoming an ever increasing "un-reached people group."
· Half of all churches in the US did not add any new members to their ranks in the last two years.

[Carpe Diem]

Of course, 72% of stats are made up . . . and probably a larger percentage than that when talking about the U.S. Govt.

Anyway, the more important fact is that a good number of people in this fast growing community of 115,000+ people go to church and it would be good if the developer made space available for a few churches - which wasn't done south of 466A.

Don't care how they go about it.

[JourneyOfLife]

Not everyone is whining!

Can't you hear the Snowbird Renters' Chanting; "BUILD THAT HOME! BUILD THAT HOME! BUILD THAT HOME!..." :jester:

[600th Photo Sq]

No, they don't go to church. And they're leaving in droves, as well. For example:
From the United States Census Bureau (statistics source):
· Every year more than 4000 churches close their doors compared to just over 1000 new church starts.
· Every year, 2.7 million church members fall into inactivity. This translates into the realization that people are leaving the church.
· From 1990 to 2000, the combined membership of all Protestant denominations in the USA declined by almost 5 million members (9.5 percent), while the US population increased by 24 million (11 percent). From 2000 to 2010, it was worse - almost 9 million members left.
· The United States now ranks third (3rd) following China and India in the number of people who are not professing Christians; in other words, the U.S. is becoming an ever increasing "un-reached people group."
· Half of all churches in the US did not add any new members to their ranks in the last two years.

Not in " The Villages " area...there are more places of worship around here compared to anywhere else...Why...???...Money..$$$$. Religion is Big Business real Big. The Pastors, Preachers, know this all to well.
An excellent example is the Comedian turned Priest in Belleview..he's making a killing as a " Priest " and it sure beats being a stand up comedian on the tour circuit.

Take a drive around if your not convinced. The collection is by envelope, basket, and some actually take credit cards.

Life is good...

[peteal48]

How many more golf courses will be added? Any Championship courses?

[kcrazorbackfan]

How many more golf courses will be added? Any Championship courses?

For now, 4 executive courses in the new Fenney area; I've heard that a new championship course will be built somewhere along the turnpike.

[Jebstuart]

Of course, 72% of stats are made up . . . and probably a larger percentage than that when talking about the U.S. Govt.

Anyway, the more important fact is that a good number of people in this fast growing community of 115,000+ people go to church and it would be good if the developer made space available for a few churches - which wasn't done south of 466A.

Don't care how they go about it.

If people feel strongly they want a church they will figure out how to get one.
Please provide a link to your 72% of stats are made up (more in government) claim. I'm very curious.

[Polar Bear]

...Please provide a link to your 72% of stats are made up (more in government) claim. I'm very curious.
Whoooosh...zooms right over head!! :1rotfl:

[Jimmydoodlebug]

Of course, 72% of stats are made up

:wave:Funny!

[billethkid]

It occurs to me that a very important issue is being missed in the dialogue of what TV "....used to be vs what it is now..."

For most of us who have lived here for the past 15-20 years ++ TV is still the same as when we opted to buy here...a little bigger, but much more quality and content.

Those who have been relocating here the past 5 years or less represent a generation with a more modern outlook (what ever that means).....from a different day and time and expectation....right wrong or indifferent......the expectation is very different in many ways.

Nothing negative intended above. It is just a fact of life.
Like it or not.

For very many of us TV growth has brought us more of what we want to have around us. I would venture to say that if TV profile of retail/restaurants/entertainment/et al were still like it was in the year 2000, the population would not be growing like it has and many of the newcomers woud not be here.

TV has been consistent in what they intended and what most of us bought into. Having reached a critical mass population has made TV attractive to most national chains and businesses from around the world.

[NYGUY]

It occurs to me that a very important issue is being missed in the dialogue of what TV "....used to be vs what it is now..."

For most of us who have lived here for the past 15-20 years ++ TV is still the same as when we opted to buy here...a little bigger, but much more quality and content.

Those who have been relocating here the past 5 years or less represent a generation with a more modern outlook (what ever that means).....from a different day and time and expectation....right wrong or indifferent......the expectation is very different in many ways.

Nothing negative intended above. It is just a fact of life.
Like it or not.

For very many of us TV growth has brought us more of what we want to have around us. I would venture to say that if TV profile of retail/restaurants/entertainment/et al were still like it was in the year 2000, the population would not be growing like it has and many of the newcomers woud not be here.

TV has been consistent in what they intended and what most of us bought into. Having reached a critical mass population has made TV attractive to most national chains and businesses from around the world.

:agree:

[Laker14]

I first became interested in TV in 2008 when good friends of mine bought their TV home. At that time I still had 7 years until retirement, and I decided that for me, buying at that time was not going to work out. I know that when my friends bought, directly from TV, TV was definitely marketing a "sense of urgency", due to the impending "build-out". Of course, that never happened. Be that bad, or good, or neither bad nor good, to me is only part of the point.
I'm retired now, and will be heading down in March to visit those friends, with an eye out for buying. What bothers me the most about this is that I prefer to deal with honest people, and I don't believe, in my heart, that the developers ever really intended to stop building as long as they were making money. Why would they? But to try to instill that sense of urgency based upon something they said they were going to do, but never intended to do, is, well...dishonest.
It has been my experience that people who are dishonest in one dimension, will be that way in others, and that gives me pause.

[Barefoot]

It has been my experience that people who are dishonest in one dimension, will be that way in others, and that gives me pause.The Developers cannot give advance notice of their plans as this would be detrimental to the negotiation process.
If Sales Reps thought build-out was imminent, they may have conveyed a false sense of urgency.
However I don't think you can fault the Developers for not advising of their plans to continue building.

[Polar Bear]

If using possible "build out" as part of a sales pitch makes a developer dishonest, then good luck finding one who is honest.

I want honesty from a sales person too. But I would never judge their honesty based on that pitch alone. In real estate, build out is too much a constantly moving target.

[Laker14]

Being intentionally deceptive, saying one thing when you know it's not true is dishonest.

I think in this case it was institutional, from the top down. I don't think that's news to anyone. My friends are very happy with the decision they made. It doesn't change the fact that they were intentionally deceived. It's been going on so long now that experienced TVers just laugh at the concept of Build Out. Which is savvy. The fact that we get used to being lied to doesn't change the fact that it is what it is.

If I do buy in TV, I will do so knowing that I will be, to some degree, relying on the promises of people who aren't totally trustworthy.

[billethkid]

Being intentionally deceptive, saying one thing when you know it's not true is dishonest.

I think in this case it was institutional, from the top down. I don't think that's news to anyone. My friends are very happy with the decision they made. It doesn't change the fact that they were intentionally deceived. It's been going on so long now that experienced TVers just laugh at the concept of Build Out. Which is savvy. The fact that we get used to being lied to doesn't change the fact that it is what it is.

If I do buy in TV, I will do so knowing that I will be, to some degree, relying on the promises of people who aren't totally trustworthy.

You are making an assumption that the developer did not intend to build out when stated.
There is the other side of it that would go something like, this is what they own and here in the plan to "build out" what they own. As success continues to beget success the sales meet or surpass expectation. The developer encouraged by neighboring communities and residents look for additional opportunities. Low and behold thousands of acres come available. New aquisition; new plan; new scope; new build out.

The pattern over the years would suggest the latter is what has been happening.

Why would one have to lie and decieve about a product that is selling on it's own merits, track record and status? They don't!

My opinion.

[Polar Bear]

Being intentionally deceptive, saying one thing when you know it's not true is dishonest.

I think in this case it was institutional, from the top down. I don't think that's news to anyone. My friends are very happy with the decision they made. It doesn't change the fact that they were intentionally deceived. It's been going on so long now that experienced TVers just laugh at the concept of Build Out. Which is savvy. The fact that we get used to being lied to doesn't change the fact that it is what it is.

If I do buy in TV, I will do so knowing that I will be, to some degree, relying on the promises of people who aren't totally trustworthy.
I still think you're way over blowing the significance. Build-out is just a temporary measure until the next phase comes along.

One common definition of build-out is "the state of maximum development as permitted by a plan". Plans change.

[Mleeja]

"Buildout" is a matter of perception. Will The Villages stop growing? I doubt it. Are sales people being deceptive when they talk about "buildout"? Again, I don't think so. It is very likely they are not advised of the plans to acquire land for new development. If you are looking for a home in Pine Ridge and the sales person says you should buy before the area is "built out" then they are not being deceptive. They are courting you to select you lot and home style before it is gone.

[simpkinp]

They are "Devlopers". This is what they do for a living. What did you expect?. Fenney is beautiful and at least for now, will be the southern terminus of the development. Who knows where we go from here? Relax and enjoy the lifestyle. I haven't found anything better anywhere.

[twoplanekid]

The Developers cannot give advance notice of their plans as this would be detrimental to the negotiation process.
If Sales Reps thought build-out was imminent, they may have conveyed a false sense of urgency.
However I don't think you can fault the Developers for not advising of their plans to continue building.

Read what was said online in July 2015-> "Our Final Phase of New Homes in The Villages"

The Villages - Florida's Friendliest Retirement Hometown - New Home Sales, Home Resales, Build Your Dream Home, Brownwood Paddock Square (http://web.archive.org/web/20150711220300/http://www.thevillages.com/)

Not sure I would blame the sales reps!

[thelegges]

Being intentionally deceptive, saying one thing when you know it's not true is dishonest.

I think in this case it was institutional, from the top down. I don't think that's news to anyone. My friends are very happy with the decision they made. It doesn't change the fact that they were intentionally deceived. It's been going on so long now that experienced TVers just laugh at the concept of Build Out. Which is savvy. The fact that we get used to being lied to doesn't change the fact that it is what it is.

If I do buy in TV, I will do so knowing that I will be, to some degree, relying on the promises of people who aren't totally trustworthy.
Walt Disney was buying properties under different names all over Orlando. I don't find the developer or Disney not trustworthy, just very smart people who wanted to make people happy

[rjm1cc]

There must be, about to award a million gallons a day to a cattle farmer near Ocala.....................

Water is a problem and the Villages is in an area that will be a problem. The government is not making good water decisions.

[Uberschaf]

Florida has one of the largest aquifers in the US. Wikipedia - "Floridan Aquifer underlies the entire state of Florida as well as southern portions of Alabama, Georgia and South Carolina, and covers an area of 100,000 square miles. It developed millions of years ago during the late Paleocene to early Miocene periods, when Florida was underwater, and is one of the world's most productive aquifers."

[charlie_marie]

No whining here. Just moving out to a smaller community. And our neighbors at that community are also from TV.

[golfing eagles]

No whining here. Just moving out to a smaller community. And our neighbors at that community are also from TV.

Compared to your previous locations of Boston, Atlanta, Dallas and LA, TV IS the smaller community. May I suggest Mayberry, RFD????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Bonny]

No whining here. Just moving out to a smaller community. And our neighbors at that community are also from TV.
Everyone should live where they will be happy. Enjoy your new place.

[Marathon Man]

No whining here. Just moving out to a smaller community. And our neighbors at that community are also from TV.

Contratulations on your move and kudos for taking charge of life. A shining example for everyone - we are in control of our own situation.

[charlie_marie]

Compared to your previous locations of Boston, Atlanta, Dallas and LA, TV the smaller community. May I suggest Mayberry, RFD????::BigApplause:

[Barefoot]

What bothers me the most about this is that I prefer to deal with honest people, and I don't believe, in my heart, that the developers ever really intended to stop building as long as they were making money.

They are "Devlopers". This is what they do for a living. What did you expect?. Fenney is beautiful and at least for now, will be the southern terminus of the development. Who knows where we go from here? Relax and enjoy the lifestyle. I haven't found anything better anywhere.

Good response! :ho:

[The Chipster]

Great post. But some of us like Jack with our whining

[Yung Dum]

Great news out today in the paper, The Villages is set to grow again. 8000+ more acres. Not a surprise, the developers are continuing their family business of Developing properties. Good for them for having vision and being successful in their business.

Now the whining will start - it's too big, they're greedy, blah blah blah...

Break out the cheese to go with you whine.

Get over it people, The Villages wasn't too big when you bought your house, but now it is, have to love the "I've got mine.." attitude of some people.

Greedy, nope, just good at their business. Those with the "greedy" and "How much is enough" mind set need to look in the mirror. What were you thinking when you were amassing you retirement savings? It was OK for you to be part of a growing business and working towards your future, but when others are successful they're evil? That green eyed monster jealousy is looking back at you in the mirror.

Continued growth is very good for the area, if the growth stops, unemployment will go up and with it crime; and the safety we all feel living here in TV will quickly disappear.

This much growth will surely bring much needed commercial growth with it that will be good for everyone.

If you haven't noticed, there is the beginnings of a decoupling process going on in TV. Do the people in the BW area really care what's happening in SS or even LSL? Do the people in the SS area really care what is going on in the BW area or Finney? More and more the answer is no. There's enough going on in everyone's local area that the distant areas of TV have little impact on our lives, this process will continue. Does this mean TV will fracture, likely not, it does mean lots of new options for recreation and commerce. This is the same process all cities go through as they grow and thrive.

To the developers I wish nothing but the best of luck in this new growth spurt. Bring on the bulldozers!

I agree completely.

[simpkinp]

Great post. But some of us like Jack with our whining

Prefer Maker's Mark myself

[2BNTV]

8,000 MORE acres! Growth! Love LOve LOVe LOVE it! So much excitement to be part of the TV Experience! Let's face this fact together, when we collectively bought, TV's growth excitement was certainly in the cool-aid, was it not?

Now, concerns... there are concerns, but none negate the upside of growth. Frankly, what does it really matter what "TV sellers" said or didn't say about growth (build-out). As we bought (all of us below 466A), I could have cared less about any so-called "build out." We bought in the "last (new) Patio Villas in TV" now we know we bought in the last Patio Villas north of 44. Whatever. Now, we learn (but I also suspected in my informal survey of the great "empty" expanse south of 44) that we were about to be in the MIDDLE of a one-day expanded TV. And now, we are and I say "Hurrah for us" all of us!

Location, Location Location... I'd tell a TV Northerner, I'm from the deep TV South, Osceola Hills, and they'd look wide-eyed, "Where (the hell) is that?!?" Well, now the answer is about to be, "in the great middle"... Morse will be the gateway to the whole of The Villages. Travelers driving by on the Florida Turnpike will TURN THEIR HEADS DIZZY, amazed at what TV is about to build near the turnpike! Gorgeous (and numerous) golf courses, acres of spanking new beautiful houses, sprawling recreation centers and sparkling pools and RETAIL to beat the band! And, no doubt, the creme-de-la-creme, another fantastically fabulous Town-Centre. That's Growth!

The numbers: 8,000 acres? If Fenney is 1,000 acres with 3,000 homes, is it reasonable to conclude that the other 7,000 acres will support another 12,000 to 16,000 homes? If true, these are amazing numbers! And where (and why) are TV Developers moving on growth? Simple demographics: As reported, 1.7 million folks retire each year; 200,000 seek to move to southern homes; some 53,000 to 58,000 move to Florida. TV Developers are working on capturing some 3% to 6% of those numbers. This math appears to supports TV's projected growth model. Sure, nothing is set is stone, but the "Baby Boomer" retirement projections are a fairly "safe bet"... We have to live somewhere, why not here?

Clubs/Activities: Yes, increased populations would spell disaster! If.... Yes, no chance to enjoy activities on a long, long waiting list....if... This projection disaster is shortsighted, assuming that the new growth will place people-pressure on "their clubs"... The fact here is that new growth areas will create MORE opportunities for hundreds of new clubs and activities... With the 8,000 acres (and its TV growth) there will be MORE clubs/activities. Imagine the SIZE of our Weekly Activities
Guide?!

Retail: 156,000 plus people with money to spend? Holy Cow! TV's Retail Team will be very very busy leasing properties! And it's all good to us.

Growth: The expansion of TV is controlled... growth is timed and spread out. On point, the growth of TV south of 44 will have little to no impact on the day-to-day life of folks in Chatham. As I heard from TV Northerners, other than a first-look-see, those I chat with confessed they never visit Brownwood, do not play the South of 466A executive courses, and certainly do not shop at Colony or anywhere near 466A and south. The truth of this is, with timed growth spread out over such a large area we can shop where we want, eat where we want with relative ease. I mention Colony, as shopping there with the snow-birds in, has been (and is) tricky... but growth there has a solution; Wal-Mart is building a store across the street from Colony-Publix diverting/spliting use-traffic south of 466A between Colony and Wal-Mart area where the Pine Hills/Pine Ridge armies will easily access off Moyer. Word here, patience. Build the basics, allow others to fill in the needs... that's how it works (in theory).

Disney (and Orlando): Look at Disney World... Look at it's growth... Is Disney "over-built"? Does adding new park areas increase the value of the Disney Experience or decrease that experience? Disney's model of growth is no different than TV's... Disney grows because the "numbers" are there and since 1971 that model has worked... Same with TV, starting in 1973 (?), growth has been sustained... If it works, if the numbers support it, why not?

Bottom Line, for me (and I more than suppose thousands of us), growth? Bring it on... Sharing TV is a wonderful gift...

Excellent post. :bigbow: :BigApplause: :BigApplause:

[Janedge]

does anyone know if the villages will build in Georgia

[golfing eagles]

does anyone know if the villages will build in Georgia

Will expand there eventually, but not until construction down to Key West is complete:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Janedge]

where in Georgia

[IndianaJones]

There is already Grace Tabernacle on 468..err..Morris Blvd...err..WhatEv. Do younger retirees even go to church?

There is still a large gap on 44@Morse and 468 that is not owned by The Villages. MMP connection is not yet happening.

No. We don't.

[golfing eagles]

where in Georgia

They'll start at the Florida border and work their way north past Atlanta into Tennessee and South Carolina. They may continue north into Canada, but will leave a 200 mile buffer zone around Washington D.C.

[Bonny]

They'll start at the Florida border and work their way north past Atlanta into Tennessee and South Carolina. They may continue north into Canada, but will leave a 200 mile buffer zone around Washington D.C.
Maybe they'll get over to the ocean for those that want a big boat. ;)

[mikecarr]

When we came here there were only 26000 residents at peak season but I still remember waiting an hour and a half to get a seat at the Chula Vista restaurant, because there were so few other choices. With WalMart as the only major store, we had to run to Ocala or Leesburg 2 or 3 times a week for all those home supplies new owners always need. Size has brought us a lot of benefits as well as a few problems. And I agree that the developer has kept quality of life at the forefront of its expansions.

[banjobob]

Welcome to The Villages "north" and The Villages "south"

[RickeyD]

Welcome to The Villages "north" and The Villages "south"

That already exists...:mornincoffee:

[Bellaboy]

My concern is housing value. I thought building out would encourage people to buy preowned. My village has quite a few " investment" properties,

[SamHam]

Where are you moving to... Looking for retirement communities other than TV?

[Bay Kid]

Thank you to all that helped create this great development for all of us to enjoy!

[DonH57]

Thank you to all that helped create this great development for all of us to enjoy!

Amen Brother!:BigApplause:

[Bonny]

Thank you to all that helped create this great development for all of us to enjoy!
Absolutely, I agree!! :bigbow:

[Carla B]

Seems like a good time to dust off an old one I concocted several years ago about growing pains when we were around a population of 60,000.

I was on my way to pick up the mail which is next to the doggie park. I see
this young person walking a dog that just did it's business. The young whipper
snapper simply walks away without picking up the evidence. I was so upset
that these young people have no respect for our community I shouted out you must
be 55 to live here. The young person flipped me the bird.
I do an immediate U turn in my gasoline driven golf cart and promptly fall out.
I was too cheap to buy those seat belts.
As I lie there on the ground and another golf cart runs me over.
My lucky day, it's only a scrape. I was in district 4 where the Multi Modal Paths
(MMPs) are stripped and the driver refused to cross the line to avoid me.
The Community Watch guy shows up and tells both of us not to move.
I tell I'm alright but I obey his command. I suspect he has some sort of official authority.
He must have authority his truck has bright yellow flashing lights and official looking
decals from one end to the other. He is well armed with a flashlight and a clipboard.
I laid there motionless on the newly widened freshly blacktopped MMP courtesy of the windfall
lawsuit money the northern 466 districts won against The Developer.
I had plenty of time to reflect on should I pay off my bond or will I loose my tax deduction - no conclusion.
The EMT's finally arrived far over their usual 6 minute response time and were very apologetic.
They explained they were on a call to rescue snowbirds that flipped their car over
in a roundabout. Apparently they were trying to avoid a bicyclist that flipped them the
bird for not giving the state mandated three feet clearance. They bowed their heads
and mumbled something about the cyclist would still be alive if only he would have
taken the lane. The EMT's proclaimed the good news was the birds were granted
immediate admittance to The Villages Hospital due to being transported in via ambulance.
Out of no where the police show up and drill me if I been drinking and driving my golf
cart on the MMP. I said I only had one which I purchased at Spanish Springs Square
two hour happy hour. I explain I felt guilty passing the square without supporting The Developer
for providing me such a great place to live. I also hear tell the developer may be in
danger of not maximizing profits. Well civic duty called. The LEO's still made me
walk the line. I passed the test - good thing cause I overheard them talking to
each other did they really have jurisdiction on a MMP. The dust has settled and I'm
free to go.
OH NO I just remember I have a tee time in 15 minutes - I'm already within the 20 minute rule.
I put my gasoline cart to the boards. I must confess probably doing 22 mph but that's the
risk I have to take. I know very well if I get into an accident while speeding
my insurance won't cover it. I could lose everything I own. Dam the torpedoes
I'm late for golf. I get to Turtle Mound and there are no parking spots. Some
ignorant inconsiderate person, I suspect from the new neighborhoods south of 466A parked
over the line taking up two spaces. Even though I'm late I stop and take a
picture with my cell phone to send to "the other newspaper" tomorrow.
I get to the starter shack window and this overly friendly man with a smile
explains I lost my tee time and just earned myself three cancellation points.
Dejected I leave. Back on the MMP
I realize I have not eaten today. I wheel into one of the four one owner concession
country club restaurants for a bite. I forgot my customer loyalty card at
home and had to pay full price for a drink. I order my meal. It took 1.2 hours to
arrive and it was cold. I wanted to send it back but I read on Talk Of The Villages
never send your meal back to the kitchen. You don't want know what they do to
returned food the second time around. I get the manager. HE looks like 16 years old.
I complain politely and to my surprise he apologized and compted me dessert.
Well I don't eat desserts so I pass. I thanked him and left quietly. I felt sorry for the
owner because the rent is very expensive and the place was so busy. Anyone who
lives in The Villages is duly aware of the need for these courageous high risk taking
entrepreneurs to make or break it during high season. I call it a night. I'm driving home
and remember I started out to get the mail. I travel past the square again. It's the end of
break time. I can hear the announcer proclaiming how we appreciate your grandchildren.
No coolers are allowed on the square per Florida statute. Seat saving is not permitted.
I chuckle. I know the speech in my sleep.
I pull into the postal station and guess what I see. A person buckling a dog into
the rear seat of their car and a fresh bag of dog poop in the garbage receptacle.
You can just tell by looking at her she was a renter. By now I have no fight left in me.
I give her a friendly head nod and proceed to mailbox which is on the lowest row.
As I approach the sea of silver doors I discover someone removed my smiley face sticker.
I can't remember my box number. On my knees I fumble through my keys
and get to the big gold one that weighs about three pounds and lady luck strikes again.
It has the box number stamped on it. I open the box. Inside is just one letter.
It is from the VCDD. My amenities fees have been raised from $145 to $148.
How far do these bureaucrats think my social security goes? Riding home I give
the increase further thought and conclude it's still a pretty good deal for what we get.
It's 8 pm and I fall asleep in my chair after another normal day in The Villages.

"Well, did he ever return? No, he never returned, and his fate is still unlearned...he may ride forever on the MMP, he's the man who never returned."
Just opened this thread after several days and read this great piece of satire. Thanks, RustyP

[Rapscallion St Croix]

Everybody wants a Trader Joe's and a Cosco, but nobody wants the population increase that could trigger those perks.

[champion6]

Everybody wants a Trader Joe's and a Cosco, but nobody wants the population increase that could trigger those perks.:agree:

[JGVillages]

Might some day be looking at a " Villages North " and a " Villages South ". Doubt they will ever be connected over 44, but who knows.

Thinking out of the box how about some form of transportation (aka:Rail/Tram) possibly between the squares? Maybe something to transport you and your golf cart from Lopez area to Feeny area, and back. It would take some innovation so let's get the ideas flowing.

[Reiver]

Isn't that like putting in a tram between two Walmart's, so you can enjoy both?

[Doug526]

Thinking out of the box how about some form of transportation (aka:Rail/Tram) possibly between the squares? Maybe something to transport you and your golf cart from Lopez area to Feeny area, and back. It would take some innovation so let's get the ideas flowing.
Why would we want to move from where all the activities are now. I can't do everything now.

[pauld315]

Yep that's what they said in Houston in the 1980's until the housing market fell apart because of over saturation causing people literally to walk away from their homes
the only winner in this continuing saga are those selling land and developing on it. Home buyers will have plenty of time to think about it as they sit in traffic or stand in a line at a store. Who the heck would celebrate over crowding. Geezzz

The Houston market in the 1980s collapsed because of falling oil prices not oversaturation. Because of that, the Houston area lost about 12.5% of its jobs (225,000)

[golfing eagles]

The Houston market in the 1980s collapsed because of falling oil prices not oversaturation. Because of that, the Houston area lost about 12.5% of its jobs (225,000)

I agree--in the 80's and again around 2000. See post #63

[rustyp]

Thinking out of the box how about some form of transportation (aka:Rail/Tram) possibly between the squares? Maybe something to transport you and your golf cart from Lopez area to Feeny area, and back. It would take some innovation so let's get the ideas flowing.

Groundbreaking has already begun for the new monorail station in Fenney. Rumor has it will contain flatbed cars for golf carts like the auto train. You will drive your cart up a ramp onto the railroad type car and stay with it like on a ferry boat. Various packages like trail fees will be offered.

[rustyp]

"Well, did he ever return? No, he never returned, and his fate is still unlearned...he may ride forever on the MMP, he's the man who never returned."
Just opened this thread after several days and read this great piece of satire. Thanks, RustyP

Thanks Carla

That's an old post - maybe time does stand still

[ithos]

The big positive for Brownwood villagers will be the buildup of retail and restaurants on SR44 and quicker access to the Turnpike when traveling to Orlando. The new Publix on 44 is probably the biggest one around.

I am curious though what the traffic scheme will be on the Morse Blvd extension. I don't see any circles so once the expansion is complete there probably will be a number of traffic lights which will slow things down quite a bit. Hope I am wrong.

[twoplanekid]

There are now more new houses for sale (135) in the Village of Fenney than any other Village including Pine Hills or Pine Ridge.

[coffeebean]

There are several food items I purchase at Costco that Sam's does not carry. I also like some of their paper products better that what Sam's has. We have memberships in Sam's and Costco. I continue to do most of my warehouse shopping at Costco including items that Sam's does carry.

[coffeebean]

Having been a member of Sam's Club, Costco and BJ's Warehouse, I'd prefer a Costco hands down over the other two. Selection is better for the stuff my wife and I like, quality is better for the house brands of the products we like and the employees are far more friendly and helpful.

What he said above (although I never have had a membership to BJ's Warehouse).

[pauld315]

Thinking out of the box how about some form of transportation (aka:Rail/Tram) possibly between the squares? Maybe something to transport you and your golf cart from Lopez area to Feeny area, and back. It would take some innovation so let's get the ideas flowing.

Just take an Uber and rent a golf cart for 3 bucks to play the courses at Fenney

[pauld315]

There are now more new houses for sale (135) in the Village of Fenney than any other Village including Pine Hills or Pine Ridge.

Makes sense and there will be more development coming SOUTH of Fenney. Heard from a reliable source.

[xcaligirl]

They are only making dreams come true for people who want to retire here.

[kstew43]

Makes sense and there will be more development coming SOUTH of Fenney. Heard from a reliable source.

all the way to Center Hill Florida.....

[graciegirl]

They are only making dreams come true for people who want to retire here.

I agree.

[Bonny]

They are only making dreams come true for people who want to retire here.
:agree:!!! Couldn't imagine living anywhere else. A big thank you to the family!! :beer3:

[graciegirl]

No, they don't go to church. And they're leaving in droves, as well. For example:
From the United States Census Bureau (statistics source):
· Every year more than 4000 churches close their doors compared to just over 1000 new church starts.
· Every year, 2.7 million church members fall into inactivity. This translates into the realization that people are leaving the church.
· From 1990 to 2000, the combined membership of all Protestant denominations in the USA declined by almost 5 million members (9.5 percent), while the US population increased by 24 million (11 percent). From 2000 to 2010, it was worse - almost 9 million members left.
· The United States now ranks third (3rd) following China and India in the number of people who are not professing Christians; in other words, the U.S. is becoming an ever increasing "un-reached people group."
· Half of all churches in the US did not add any new members to their ranks in the last two years.

Omigoodness. I had not ever read these statistics but suspected it was happening. That kind of explains why some people think it is o.k. to do whatever they can get away with and to assume your stuff is theirs for the taking.. I too am not a practicing Catholic but still have "The Ten" engraved somewhere inside.

Now I am really sad.

[Carpe Diem]

So the conclusion is that, despite the addition of 25,000 to 40,000 more people, we need fewer churches? People and their statistics. SMH

What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world (the Villages) and loses his own soul?

[twoplanekid]

:coolsmiley:A large new Methodist Church is being built within a ten minutes golf cart ride from our house in Lake Deaton that makes me happy!

[ColdNoMore]

So the conclusion is that, despite the addition of 25,000 to 40,000 more people, we need fewer churches? People and their statistics. SMH

What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world (the Villages) and loses his own soul?

Common sense says that if there is a demand and current churches are maxed out...new ones will be built. :shrug:


Not to even mention, that it is up to each individual denomination to build a church...NOT a housing developer.

[Aw Man]

:agree:!!! Couldn't imagine living anywhere else. A big thank you to the family!! :beer3:

Well said Bonny, I agree with you.
I can't believe there are so many, who live here, expressing negative and pessimistic views on continued development of our community.

[Loudoll]

If no one needs medical care it should work out fine.

[Polar Bear]

:icon_bored:If no one needs medical care it should work out fine.
Yeah. I'm sure no new resources will come in. :rolleyes:

[kcrazorbackfan]

They are only making dreams come true for people who want to retire here.

:agree:!!! Couldn't imagine living anywhere else. A big thank you to the family!! :beer3:

I can't believe there are so many, who live here, expressing negative and pessimistic views on continued development of our community.

:agree: This place is awesome. We owned a golf course lot in Arkansas situated at a tee box with a clear flowing creek on the other side of the tee box; we had an architect site plan the home we had picked out, talked to a couple of builders and then :boom:, we made the 2 day drive down here, turned down 466 from 301 and didn't make it to Morse when my wife announced "we're selling the lot and moving down here". We've been here 2 years and just like Loverboy's song, we're "loving every minute of it"!

To the crybabies and whiners - SELL. YOUR. HOME. AND. MOVE....

[JDIronton]

I second that 😀

[RickeyD]

:agree: This place is awesome. We owned a golf course lot in Arkansas situated at a tee box with a clear flowing creek on the other side of the tee box; we had an architect site plan the home we had picked out, talked to a couple of builders and then :boom:, we made the 2 day drive down here, turned down 466 from 301 and didn't make it to Morse when my wife announced "we're selling the lot and moving down here". We've been here 2 years and just like Loverboy's song, we're "loving every minute of it"!



To the crybabies and whiners - SELL. YOUR. HOME. AND. MOVE....



I agree, this place is awesome ! Arkansas ? Florida ? No contest.

[John_W]

For those who are unhappy, Look Here!

Brand New!! $145,000 in a 55+ Community, within 30 miles of TV with an 18 hole executive golf course.

http://www.newbyrealty.com/listings/images/14875995863383.jpg

http://www.newbyrealty.com/listings/images/14875995603383.jpg

http://www.newbyrealty.com/listings/images/14875996073383.jpg

http://www.newbyrealty.com/listings/images/14875996693383.jpg

Rolling Greens Mhp - Homes For Sale and Rent (http://www.rollinggreensocala.com/homes-for-sale.aspx)

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

For those who are unhappy, Look Here!

Brand New!! $145,000 in a 55+ Community, within 30 miles of TV with an 18 hole executive golf course.

http://www.newbyrealty.com/listings/images/14875995863383.jpg

http://www.newbyrealty.com/listings/images/14875995603383.jpg

http://www.newbyrealty.com/listings/images/14875996073383.jpg

http://www.newbyrealty.com/listings/images/14875996693383.jpg

Rolling Greens Mhp - Homes For Sale and Rent (http://www.rollinggreensocala.com/homes-for-sale.aspx)

I assume that you know that MHP stands for Mobile Home Park. You can buy nice mobile homes in the historic district for the same kind of money.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Everybody wants a Trader Joe's and a Cosco, but nobody wants the population increase that could trigger those perks.

The Villages is already larger than Ocala, Leesburg, Summerfield. Fruitland Park and Bellevue combined.

If a retail business would consider opening in Ocala, they should consider The Villages. There are more people here and it's centrally located between Ocala and Leesburg, the other two major population centers.

[joldnol]

What he said above (although I never have had a membership to BJ's Warehouse).

Cosco doesn't give two ****es about the disabled. We had multiple experiences in Jacksonville to verify it.

[John_W]

I assume that you know that MHP stands for Mobile Home Park. You can buy nice mobile homes in the historic district for the same kind of money.

Of course I know that, I put the link in that you followed, I posted the pictures from one of the homes for sale that you see. My point is, TV is not the only choice for retires.

Mobile Homes for sale in the historic district are not new, they may be nice, but $145K will not get you the same home I showcased. In fact, in this area, brand new manufactured homes in a retirement setting with golf course, pool, club house, can only be found in Water Oak Estates. There a new manufactured home of equal value is selling for $160,000 plus. The home I displayed at $145K was actually the most expensive in Rolling Greens, they have many new homes on the market for well under $100K.

For example, this home is for sale in Rolling Greens for $74,000. I'm sure there is no mobile home on the historic side that can compare at this price.

http://www.newbyrealty.com/listings/images/14927885923338.jpg

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Of course I know that, I put the link in that you followed, I posted the pictures from one of the homes for sale that you see. My point is, TV is not the only choice for retires.

Mobile Homes for sale in the historic district are not new, they may be nice, but $145K will not get you the same home I showcased. In fact, in this area, brand new manufactured homes in a retirement setting with golf course, pool, club house, can only be found in Water Oak Estates. There a new manufactured home of equal value is selling for $160,000 plus. The home I displayed at $145K was actually the most expensive in Rolling Greens, they have many new homes on the market for well under $100K.

For example, this home is for sale in Rolling Greens for $74,000. I'm sure there is no mobile home on the historic side that can compare at this price.

http://www.newbyrealty.com/listings/images/14927885923338.jpg

I don't know if there are any for sale at this time, but many people have replaced their old manufactured homes with newer models and you might be surprised how nice some of them are. I have a neighbor who had a house fire and had a new home put in about three years ago. It's absolutely beautiful and compares with the one that you showed. I would think that it would sell for around
$150,000.

But you are absolutely correct. You can buy homes at all price levels for less money outside The Villages. The old adage in real estate is that location is everything. But as you say, if you are unhappy here, there are plenty of other places you can go.

[John_W]

I don't know if there are any for sale at this time, but many people have replaced their old manufactured homes with newer models and you might be surprised how nice some of them are. I have a neighbor who had a house fire and had a new home put in about three years ago. It's absolutely beautiful and compares with the one that you showed. I would think that it would sell for around
$150,000.

I see your point, there are newer manufactured home in the historic side, but they were put there by the property owner, not the developer. Of course I know the developer has been buying older homes as they come on the market and replacing them with stick built homes and probably someday every manufactured home will be gone. For those who like Ocala and would like a new manufactured home in a retirement setting, Rolling Greens is a great answer.

[golfing eagles]

For those who are unhappy, Look Here!

Brand New!! $145,000 in a 55+ Community, within 30 miles of TV with an 18 hole executive golf course.

http://www.newbyrealty.com/listings/images/14875995863383.jpg

http://www.newbyrealty.com/listings/images/14875995603383.jpg

http://www.newbyrealty.com/listings/images/14875996073383.jpg

http://www.newbyrealty.com/listings/images/14875996693383.jpg

Rolling Greens Mhp - Homes For Sale and Rent (http://www.rollinggreensocala.com/homes-for-sale.aspx)

The pictures look nice, and I'm sure the homes are attractive. However.....

18 holes of executive golf vs. 306 holes of championship and 342 holes of executive golf

Looks like one rec center vs. many dozens

looks like 1 or 2 pools vs. about a hundred

can you go to the store in a golf cart?

Or to restaurants?

Their "golf course" is 2500 yds., has 5 par 4's , 4 of which are between 160 and 180 yds., and the "long" one is 272 yds. The longest par 3 is 138 yds. They need to check on what qualifies as a par 4, to start with. Then maybe add a few windmills and clown heads, and hand out putters with the colored rubber balls. Then it MIGHT be a challenge, maybe not.

No thanks, I think I'll be staying here.

[John_W]

The pictures look nice, and I'm sure the homes are attractive. However.....

18 holes of executive golf vs. 306 holes of championship and 342 holes of executive golf

Looks like one rec center vs. many dozens

looks like 1 or 2 pools vs. about a hundred

can you go to the store in a golf cart?

Or to restaurants?

Their "golf course" is 2500 yds., has 5 par 4's , 4 of which are between 160 and 180 yds., and the "long" one is 272 yds. The longest par 3 is 138 yds. They need to check on what qualifies as a par 4, to start with. Then maybe add a few windmills and clown heads, and hand out putters with the colored rubber balls. Then it MIGHT be a challenge, maybe not.

No thanks, I think I'll be staying here.

I can't get into a debate about the homes, the $74,000 for a new manufactured home is probably what you paid in just the upgrades on a designer on a golf course lot. For those of us on a budget, I mean a tight budget. A new home with the features of this home for $74,000 is worth investigating.

You list the facilities here like options on a car. I have not been in a rec center since April 2014 when I took a zumba class with my wife. I joined MVP in May of 2014 and that place has totally consumed my free time for the most part, and yet it is not part of TV amenties. I've been in the neighborhood pool once in the last 3 years. I don't play pickleball, or tennis and I would of said softball here was my biggest draw. However, last year after I had pneumonium I was diagnosed with COPD and I can no longer run any great distance.

I think amenties are different to every person. I haven't played an executive course since 2013. They just aren't that much fun to me. The championship courses I would love to play more, but for $55 a round I've been stuck playing just 9 holes all winter. Now with summer, we have the great prices and I need to make up for lost time. My biggest draws to TV are the Villages Medicare Advantage, no premiums can't be beat. Also the VA Medical Facility at Mulberry is great for me, I get care there plus my medications. The music at the squares, I was there last night at LSL to see Johnny Wild for the tenth time. The movie theaters here have also drawn me back. I was never a fan of going to the mall to see movies with a million kids screaming, now it's a pleasure to go see a film. That's the things that keep me here, not 500 holes of golf when I can't afford to play 18.

[Polar Bear]

I can't get into a debate about the homes, the $74,000 for a new manufactured home is probably what you paid in just the upgrades on a designer on a golf course lot. For those of us on a budget, I mean a tight budget. A new home with the features of this home for $74,000 is worth investigating.

You list the facilities here like options on a car. I have not been in a rec center since April 2014 when I took a zumba class with my wife. I joined MVP in May of 2014 and that place has totally consumed my free time for the most part, and yet it is not part of TV amenties. I've been in the neighborhood pool once in the last 3 years. I don't play pickleball, or tennis and I would of said softball here was my biggest draw. However, last year after I had pneumonium I was diagnosed with COPD and I can no longer run any great distance.

I think amenties are different to every person. I haven't played an executive course since 2013. They just aren't that much fun to me. The championship courses I would love to play more, but for $55 a round I've been stuck playing just 9 holes all winter. Now with summer, we have the great prices and I need to make up for lost time. My biggest draws to TV are the Villages Medicare Advantage, no premiums can't be beat. Also the VA Medical Facility at Mulberry is great for me, I get care there plus my medications. The music at the squares, I was there last night at LSL to see Johnny Wild for the tenth time. The movie theaters here have also drawn me back. I was never a fan of going to the mall to see movies with a million kids screaming, now it's a pleasure to go see a film. That's the things that keep me here, not 500 holes of golf when I can't afford to play 18.
Nice post. Sums up well that every place should judged individually. What works for one may not work for another.

(And...my compliments for expressing a different opinion in a very non-confrontational, factual, respectful manner. That is too often lacking here. :) )