Do you REALLY think the wall is going to stop illegals?????

[jebartle]

I hear ladders and tunnels work really well, mean while the deficit climbs, oh yea, I forgot, Mexico is paying for it, Ha!!!!

[jimbo2012]

Stop as in 100%, no but will significantly reduce the number & drugs.

If you were aware if the methods of reimbursement you wouldn't make such statements

[Rockyrd]

Immigration has been a major issue for this country for a long long time.

It transcends party lines....I can recall Reagan struggling with it.

I think only comprehensive, non partisan legislation can even begin to address this issue.

Bans...walls.....are not going to solve this, and they are nothing but bandaids.

Last congress had some movement but then came the campaign.

Democrats control congress, Republicans do not co operate.

Republicans control congress, Democrats do not co operate.

As long as, and using this forums language...as long as one group calls the other "regressive" and the other calls "libtards" that attitude, unfortunetly is rampant in the halls of congress.

I have no confidence in this problem being solved anytime soon. Not until we LISTEN to each other, instead of just lecturing each other, will there be progress.

Short answer,...wall will do nothing, and this constant discussion about a wall has done harm, not good. We have become lazy, now we blame Mexicans for all our problems.

[Don Baldwin]

You people REALLY don't get it...11 million illegals AT ANY ONE TIME...dropped enough anchor babies here that Hispanics are now 1/3 the population. It's too late to stop.

[ColdNoMore]

There's ONLY one thing that will eventually be successful...and that is putting those who hire undocumented workers in jail! :mad:

As soon as there is no longer a reason of coming to this country for a job...a huge decrease in the influx will occur.

Why in the heck is the right so silent, and actually opposed...to such actions? :confused:

Never mind...we know why. ;)


THEN, we can look at those who may be illegally collecting government benefits and tighten that up.


Right behind that, decriminalizing marijuana on a national level, which will immediately reduce the influence of drug gangs...should be on the agenda.

After all, it's not like the 'War on Drugs' has done much more than to stuff prisons to overflowing...with non-violent 'criminals.' :ohdear:

[jebartle]

Immigration has been a major issue for this country for a long long time.

It transcends party lines....I can recall Reagan struggling with it.

I think only comprehensive, non partisan legislation can even begin to address this issue.

Bans...walls.....are not going to solve this, and they are nothing but bandaids.

Last congress had some movement but then came the campaign.

Democrats control congress, Republicans do not co operate.

Republicans control congress, Democrats do not co operate.

As long as, and using this forums language...as long as one group calls the other "regressive" and the other calls "libtards" that attitude, unfortunetly is rampant in the halls of congress.

I have no confidence in this problem being solved anytime soon. Not until we LISTEN to each other, instead of just lecturing each other, will there be progress.

Short answer,...wall will do nothing, and this constant discussion about a wall has done harm, not good. We have become lazy, now we blame Mexicans for all our problems.

Could not agree more!

[leftyf]

We spent 4 winters on the US/Mexico border. 3 winters in the RIO Grande Valley, Texas and 1 in Casa Grande, Arizona. The Mexicans just walk across in Arizona and swim the river in Texas. YES, the wall and bringing the US Border Patrol back to the border will really help. Far too many of the border patrol are stationed 50 miles North of the border.

[MDLNB]

Since having fences and walls along the border will not keep ALL the illegals out, it is ridiculous to lock the doors to our house or cars to keep criminals out. They can still get in.

[billethkid]

The wall will in fact make the point ....DO NOT ENTER....and will in fact slow the flow from thousands to a handful.

Let us agree to disagree that the wall will present a stand of prevention....sort of like sand bags preventing a flood. Everybody knows the sand bags will not stop the flooding. They ALL know SOMETHING has to be done. And in many cases the sand bags will in fact reduce the amount of water getting through.

The border needs to be closed and controlled.....that is not a partisan statement. It is just a statement of fact. No, it is a statement of the laws of the land....REMEMBER.

I wonder if an evaluation of whether the Berlin wall was effective or not was done? Probably not. It would have no value added to the dems agenda.

[Don Baldwin]

Since having fences and walls along the border will not keep ALL the illegals out, it is ridiculous to lock the doors to our house or cars to keep criminals out. They can still get in.

It's too late...100 million of them already got in...and dropped anchor babies.

The REAL number is 11 million illegals at any one time...they come and go...they drop anchor babies.

NOBODY knows how many are here or how many come and go each year.

There IS one fact though...Joe Biden said whites are a minority NOW, 49%, and minorities ARE the majority below age 7.

[Rockyrd]

The wall will in fact make the point ....DO NOT ENTER....and will in fact slow the flow from thousands to a handful.

Let us agree to disagree that the wall will present a stand of prevention....sort of like sand bags preventing a flood. Everybody knows the sand bags will not stop the flooding. They ALL know SOMETHING has to be done. And in many cases the sand bags will in fact reduce the amount of water getting through.

The border needs to be closed and controlled.....that is not a partisan statement. It is just a statement of fact. No, it is a statement of the laws of the land....REMEMBER.

I wonder if an evaluation of whether the Berlin wall was effective or not was done? Probably not. It would have no value added to the dems agenda.


Ok....sort if agree.

You skip the part about having Mexico pay.

EVERY SINGLE legislation placed on the table over the years, both from Republicans and Democrats has called for a physical looking barrier.

THAT would not even be discussed...it has been a part of legislation, and no party owns that.

The "rub" is, and always been...the cost. We are asking a foreign country to pay for our negligence....that's the issue, and I might remind you of the many debates on this issue over the past 40 years has been met with a barrier of cost.

Now we want to pass on our inability to pass legislation in our congress to another country.

I can't think of anyone opposed to any barrier, but the song and dance is about Mexico paying. Why should they ?

[billethkid]

I personally could care less who pays for the wall.
It has been deemed for years to be a neccessary first step in controlling the border.

So the real issue is put up the damn wall.

The who pays political, no value added, partisan BS game is just that.

The who pays for the wall was a dumb political position in the first place. We and Trump would be farther ahead today on the issue...wall? Yes! Build it. Pay for it like we do everything else.

[Rockyrd]

I personally could care less who pays for the wall.
It has been deemed for years to be a neccessary first step in controlling the border.

So the real issue is put up the damn wall.

The who pays political, no value added, partisan BS game is just that.

The who pays for the wall was a dumb political position in the first place. We and Trump would be farther ahead today on the issue...wall? Yes! Build it. Pay for it like we do everything else.

It helped a lot to get Trump elected.

I do not suspect his rhetoric is ever going to subside, but I agree with you. Face it...call it what it is, and get on with it. Perhaps spending that much money will force Repiblicans and Democrats to deal rightfully with this issue.

There were at least 2 viable pieces of legislation when work stopped by the campaign. Both legislations, as I recall were bi partisan

[MDLNB]

Liberals don't want a wall. Hillary and Bernie wanted open borders, as do many in the liberal party. That's just fact. It was OK for Bill Clinton to say he wanted stronger borders, but when Trump says it, the left goes spastic.

[Chi-Town]

I hear ladders and tunnels work really well, mean while the deficit climbs, oh yea, I forgot, Mexico is paying for it, Ha!!!!
Speaking of ladders:

Mexicans Training to Climb Donald Trumps Wall ! Illegal Aliens , Aliens - YouTube (https://youtu.be/q_SPxjkqiZU)

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[Villagesperson]

Liberals don't want a wall. Hillary and Bernie wanted open borders, as do many in the liberal party. That's just fact. It was OK for Bill Clinton to say he wanted stronger borders, but when Trump says it, the left goes spastic.

Gotta tell you something.

EVERY BILL written on immigration wanted tighter border control, no matter the party writing the bill.

EVERY PRESIDENT has said they wanted tighter border control, no matter the party in the White House


Pre Debate for the Republican nomination, there were at least 2 bills considered and each of them spoke to tigher border control, all of them with authors from both parties

ALL of this was bi partisan.

HERE IS THE DIFFERENCE....WHEN you add to increased security. speeches to degrade Mexican people, and you threaten their government telling them they will pay for our lack of being able to get it done.....THAT makes it different.

[ColdNoMore]

Gotta tell you something.

EVERY BILL written on immigration wanted tighter border control, no matter the party writing the bill.

EVERY PRESIDENT has said they wanted tighter border control, no matter the party in the White House


Pre Debate for the Republican nomination, there were at least 2 bills considered and each of them spoke to tigher border control, all of them with authors from both parties

ALL of this was bi partisan.

HERE IS THE DIFFERENCE....WHEN you add to increased security. speeches to degrade Mexican people, and you threaten their government telling them they will pay for our lack of being able to get it done.....THAT makes it different.

Yes, that did/does make it different.

In all of the other bipartisan bills (even the ones supported by Republicans)...none of them denigrated Mexico or its people.

That doing so was a real boost for Trump by his supporters...says it all. :ohdear:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

The wall will be one device in improving our illegal immigration problem. It will certainly stop a lot of it. I believe that President Trump also intends to increase border security with more personnel. They also need to locate and destroy all of the tunnels.

Still, some will find ways to get here. We can never stop it 100% but we can certainly make a huge dent in it.

[jimbo2012]

they expect completion in two years in an interview yesterday

[dirtbanker]

...none of them denigrated Mexico or its people.


Like accusing those that do not speak English as undocumented...

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[Rockyrd]

Like accusing those that do not speak English as undocumented...

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OR....

On the day, Trump announced he was running...exact quote..""When Mexico sends it people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people,"

On the Mexican government.,,,""The Mexican government is much smarter, much sharper, much more cunning. They send the bad ones over because they don't want to pay for them. They don't want to take care of them,"

And then a retweet of someone remarkjng about Jeb Bush ""So true. Jeb Bush is crazy, who cares that he speaks Mexican, this is America, English !!"

Add his comments on the american judge who he deemed unworthy because of his Mexican heritage.....

Gee, why would anyone think he ever denigrated Mexico or its people !!!!

[dirtbanker]

Gee, why would anyone think he ever denigrated Mexico or its people !!!!

Good question!!!!!
Maybe (unt can explain why she denigrated those who do not speak good English?

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[MDLNB]

Gotta tell you something.

EVERY BILL written on immigration wanted tighter border control, no matter the party writing the bill.

EVERY PRESIDENT has said they wanted tighter border control, no matter the party in the White House


Pre Debate for the Republican nomination, there were at least 2 bills considered and each of them spoke to tigher border control, all of them with authors from both parties

ALL of this was bi partisan.

HERE IS THE DIFFERENCE....WHEN you add to increased security. speeches to degrade Mexican people, and you threaten their government telling them they will pay for our lack of being able to get it done.....THAT makes it different.

I understand what you are saying. But, it seems that others also think as I do, that PC and worrying about what other countries think of us just makes us appear WEAK.
Liberals like to bend the truth about what someone says or take it out of context to suit their agenda. Trump NEVER said ALL Mexicans are bad. He said, as I do, that illegal aliens are criminals. He also said that many of those Mexican criminals get away with literally murder, by getting deported and then they just come right back in via our porous borders. But, like when Trump said Odonnell was a pig and nasty woman, liberals used it to say Trump says "women" are nasty and pigs. Exaggerations and distortions.
You correctly say many other presidents have asked for stricter border patrol. Now we have one that plans to actually do something about it. We have also had a couple presidents that have rounded up thousands of illegal aliens and deported them by trains and buses. Yet, Liberals say that can't be done.

[Rockyrd]

I understand what you are saying. But, it seems that others also think as I do, that PC and worrying about what other countries think of us just makes us appear WEAK.
Liberals like to bend the truth about what someone says or take it out of context to suit their agenda. Trump NEVER said ALL Mexicans are bad. He said, as I do, that illegal aliens are criminals. He also said that many of those Mexican criminals get away with literally murder, by getting deported and then they just come right back in via our porous borders. But, like when Trump said Odonnell was a pig and nasty woman, liberals used it to say Trump says "women" are nasty and pigs. Exaggerations and distortions.
You correctly say many other presidents have asked for stricter border patrol. Now we have one that plans to actually do something about it. We have also had a couple presidents that have rounded up thousands of illegal aliens and deported them by trains and buses. Yet, Liberals say that can't be done.

You have been indoctrinated by Trump talk.

Listen, his calling for a wall was more metaphoric than anything. ALL parties want stronger border security. His making it an issue that Mexico pay for it was something you and others jumped on.
He is asking them to pay for a USA error.....if we felt there should be increased security, then we, NOT MEXICO should have done it. And I think we did but not to the extremes that we need.

Liberals do not bend the truth anymore than conservatives.

AND FINALLY....you cannot distort Trumps past. It is chock full of hate and stupid sex comments. His character is at the ZERO level...he has NO moral compass whatsoever. I wont waste your time with links etc but do some research...this is a man that his OWN PERSONAL BIOGRAPHER SAYS...

"“Lying is second nature to him,” Mr. Schwartz told The New Yorker. “More than anyone else I have ever met, Trump has the ability to convince himself that whatever he is saying at any given moment is true, or sort of true, or at least ought to be true.”

"“I feel a deep sense of remorse that I contributed to presenting Trump in a way that brought him wider attention and made him more appealing than he is,” Mr. Schwartz said. “I genuinely believe that if Trump wins and gets the nuclear codes, there is an excellent possibility it will lead to the end of civilization.”

Donald Trump’s Ghostwriter Tells All - The New Yorker (http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all)

Please do not come back and attack the source...a Trump move..call it made up.....it is common knowledge and a search will give you many other sources.

[MDLNB]

You have been indoctrinated by Trump talk.

Listen, his calling for a wall was more metaphoric than anything. ALL parties want stronger border security. His making it an issue that Mexico pay for it was something you and others jumped on.
He is asking them to pay for a USA error.....if we felt there should be increased security, then we, NOT MEXICO should have done it. And I think we did but not to the extremes that we need.

Liberals do not bend the truth anymore than conservatives.

AND FINALLY....you cannot distort Trumps past. It is chock full of hate and stupid sex comments. His character is at the ZERO level...he has NO moral compass whatsoever. I wont waste your time with links etc but do some research...this is a man that his OWN PERSONAL BIOGRAPHER SAYS...

"“Lying is second nature to him,” Mr. Schwartz told The New Yorker. “More than anyone else I have ever met, Trump has the ability to convince himself that whatever he is saying at any given moment is true, or sort of true, or at least ought to be true.”

"“I feel a deep sense of remorse that I contributed to presenting Trump in a way that brought him wider attention and made him more appealing than he is,” Mr. Schwartz said. “I genuinely believe that if Trump wins and gets the nuclear codes, there is an excellent possibility it will lead to the end of civilization.”

Donald Trump’s Ghostwriter Tells All - The New Yorker (http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all)

Please do not come back and attack the source...a Trump move..call it made up.....it is common knowledge and a search will give you many other sources.

Whatever. If you did half the research on the other side as you do against Republicans, you would find just as much dirt if not more than you have found with Trump. Trump may say things that many do not approve of, but Hillary and her hubby have DONE evil and criminal things that I do not approve of. And actions speak more than so-called rhetoric. Some folks are just so superficial.

At least be honest. Yes, I accept Trumps faults where they are justified. I do not cover up felonies like the left does for the Clintons. And, think what you want, but Obama is complicit in Hillary's coverup.

[Chi-Town]

Good question!!!!!
Maybe (unt can explain why she denigrated those who do not speak good English?

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The Dirt, it's .....do not speak English well.

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[Rockyrd]

Whatever. If you did half the research on the other side as you do against Republicans, you would find just as much dirt if not more than you have found with Trump. Trump may say things that many do not approve of, but Hillary and her hubby have DONE evil and criminal things that I do not approve of. And actions speak more than so-called rhetoric. Some folks are just so superficial.

At least be honest. Yes, I accept Trumps faults where they are justified. I do not cover up felonies like the left does for the Clintons. And, think what you want, but Obama is complicit in Hillary's coverup.

Have you ever researched this mans life ?

I have always been a good Republican but left the party when he got the nomination, however much of what he plans, I agree with.

However I left him because i have been well aware of this man for years. I then did some research to see if I judged him wrong. I found that he was worse than I thought.

He is the EXTREME narcissist and liar. He has no moral compass, and no character to speak of. As a person, I find him to be about the most dispicable man possible.

I said many times on here...I used to think character mattered but it did not seem to matter in the primary.....and folks on here who I thought respected good people have shown me to be wrong with that one.

So all I got left is to hope for my country he can be a good President....I have my doubts but still hope.

[Don Baldwin]

Have you ever researched this mans life ?

I have always been a good Republican but left the party when he got the nomination, however much of what he plans, I agree with.

However I left him because i have been well aware of this man for years. I then did some research to see if I judged him wrong. I found that he was worse than I thought.

He is the EXTREME narcissist and liar. He has no moral compass, and no character to speak of. As a person, I find him to be about the most dispicable man possible.

I said many times on here...I used to think character mattered but it did not seem to matter in the primary.....and folks on here who I thought respected good people have shown me to be wrong with that one.

So all I got left is to hope for my country he can be a good President....I have my doubts but still hope.

Who are you talking about? Obama? Romney? McCain? the Clintons? They're ALL like that. Good guys don't become president.

[Villagesperson]

Who are you talking about? Obama? Romney? McCain? the Clintons? They're ALL like that. Good guys don't become president.

You really have to spend some time reading about Trump.

No, no matter what, they do not hold a candle to the Trump history of sex, associations, cheating, scandals and mean spirtied actions over the entire course of his life.

Maybe you are right about GOOD GUYS not making it as President...probably would let that pass,...but I always thought that REALLY BAD GUYS never even got close. Obviously wrong as this might be the worst man ever.

[Cedwards38]

Trumpsters, ever heard of ladders and tunnels?

[dirtbanker]

The Dirt, it's .....do not speak English well.

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[MDLNB]

You really have to spend some time reading about Trump.

No, no matter what, they do not hold a candle to the Trump history of sex, associations, cheating, scandals and mean spirtied actions over the entire course of his life.

Maybe you are right about GOOD GUYS not making it as President...probably would let that pass,...but I always thought that REALLY BAD GUYS never even got close. Obviously wrong as this might be the worst man ever.

You still seem to be missing the point. We had no other choice. Once he made it through the primaries, he was the only one that could beat Hillary, the felonious criminal traitor. You keep hitting him on his personality traits but have not done anything but highlight those traits that everyone has seen and discarded as something that comes with the package. Who did you vote for, Hillary? Totally bad, personality and criminally.

[Don Baldwin]

You really have to spend some time reading about Trump.

No, no matter what, they do not hold a candle to the Trump history of sex, associations, cheating, scandals and mean spirtied actions over the entire course of his life.

Maybe you are right about GOOD GUYS not making it as President...probably would let that pass,...but I always thought that REALLY BAD GUYS never even got close. Obviously wrong as this might be the worst man ever.

Written by whom? People who hate him?

You SHOULD have read Obama's books BEFORE you voted for him too.

You still seem to be missing the point. We had no other choice. Once he made it through the primaries, he was the only one that could beat Hillary, the felonious criminal traitor. You keep hitting him on his personality traits but have not done anything but highlight those traits that everyone has seen and discarded as something that comes with the package. Who did you vote for, Hillary? Totally bad, personality and criminally.

There were 4 other candidates besides those two...YOU could have made any one of them the winner...how? By VOTING for them!

Instead, you were brainwashed by "your party" into believing that ONLY the two bought and paid for crooks from the D or R party COULD win. So...you voted in ANOTHER liar and crook.

[ColdNoMore]

You still seem to be missing the point. We had no other choice. Once he made it through the primaries, he was the only one that could beat Hillary, the felonious criminal traitor. You keep hitting him on his personality traits but have not done anything but highlight those traits that everyone has seen and discarded as something that comes with the package. Who did you vote for, Hillary? Totally bad, personality and criminally.

So, you're simply another one who hated Hillary...more than you love this country. :ohdear:


Thanks for at least admitting it. :ho: