Are dogs allowed outside at Up th Creek restaurant? [Archive]

Bryan

07-04-2009, 05:37 AM

I do not know the answer to your question as far as Up The Creek goes. I do know that Florida passed a law, within the past year or so, that allows restaurants with outside dining areas to make their own decisions as to whether animals (other than service animals) will be allowed in the area. This applies ONLY to outside/outdoor eating areas - they are still never allowed inside a restaurant. Anyway, Up The Creek management can make their own decision and it will be perfectly legal. What decision they may have made, I do not know. I do know that Rudy Tuesdays at SS allows dogs onto their outside eating area.

babbs455

07-04-2009, 05:51 AM

Florida was the first to enact a law explicitly allowing dogs in outdoor areas of restaurants. Sheri McInvale, the former state representative who introduced the legislation, says the biggest opposition to the bill had to do with concerns over dog bites and fights, not health issues. The final bill signed into law contained a provision that restaurants had to carry a minimum level of liability insurance in order to participate in the program.

QUOTED!
"Many restaurant operators, in a tough spot with conflicting ADA restrictions, city health codes, and attitudes of dog-loving patrons, often take their chances and look the other way."

dogs who are used as site dogs are still exempt I would assume

I personally love dogs would not mind if one were to show up and be a good boy or girl while dining out on a patio somewhere ie... laying down and chillin...but would prefer not. just my opinion.
ps I love dogs!!!!

Talk Host

07-04-2009, 05:55 AM

If a restaurant allows dogs in any eating area, I won't eat there.

MelZ

07-04-2009, 05:55 AM

Someone told me that dogs are allowed on the patio outside Up the Creek . I hope this isn't true. If it is I'll never eat at that restaurant again. I like dogs but these sorry people who can't leave their dogs home long enough to go and eat are sicko!

I suggest you never travel to Europe where dogs in resturants are quite normal. I'm sure Up the Creek will survive without you business.

billethkid

07-04-2009, 06:30 AM

would come forth if someone asked about kids 5 and under. I would almost bet that a dog owner who would take their dog, knows his is trained/disciplined to be in such a place. And we all know that is not the case with the kids. I LOVE KIDS!!!!
Of course I am just stirring the pot. I am always inspired when someone burps out or places people in a self proclaimed, not very nice (or well thought out) category such as:

"I like dogs but these sorry people who can't leave their dogs home long enough to go and eat are sicko!"

One can easily be emphatic without being derogatory....if one cared enough to do so....eh? The beauty of the 1st amendment in action.

btk

Talk Host

07-04-2009, 07:03 AM

I have been to Europe many many many times and do not recall even once seeing a pet dog in a restaurant.

SteveZ

07-04-2009, 07:45 AM

I have been to Europe many many many times and do not recall even once seeing a pet dog in a restaurant.

But they are at all outside bistro and "open air" restaurants. You may not have noticed them because they are well behaved and accustomed to the situation. You'll even find them at department stores and other locations where in America they wouldn't be allowed.

If one is walking their dog, and a restaurant has an outside area where you can stop, have a snack, even give your dog some water, then that place gets my money all the time. If Up The Creek provides such an outside area,
kudos to them!

784caroline

07-04-2009, 07:56 AM

Talk Host

You must have been visiting large "tourist" resturants in Europe. As someone who has lived in Germany for a number of years and travelled to other european locations, I can tell you bringing your dog to a "local" or outside eating establishment was quite the norm. I will also tell you that the dogs I did see were "very" obedient, trained whatever you want to call it. They were not begging, jumping on people, or barking. Its an entirely different culture.

As far as an outside location here in TV, I would have no problem with a well behaved dog laying beside the table while its master is eating. Those who object can always dine iniside. Hopefully everybody is happy.

Barefoot

07-04-2009, 09:00 AM

Up The Creek allows well-behaved dogs on their outside patio in the side area. Not in the back area overlooking the water. Gators allows dogs on their outside patio. Crispers and many other eateries allow dogs on their outside patios. Very civilized I think. The dogs have no contact with the tables or eating utensils.

Of course, it is important that owners supervise their dogs closely and remove them if they are not well behaved.

Mich, it is difficult to believe that you like dogs after your comment: "I like dogs but these sorry people who can't leave their dogs home long enough to go and eat are sicko!" :ohdear:

RV Roadie, I love your reply.

MSNPA

07-04-2009, 09:11 AM

One reason I love Key West - in many of the restaurants people bring their dogs. As long as the dogs sit quietly by the table I do not see a problem.

conn8757

07-04-2009, 09:16 AM

I have never taken a dog to a restaurant (mine were never well behaved enough and would have been like Marley). I would much rather have a dog at the next table than some buffoon shouting on his cell phone trying to impress everyone in the rest of the restaurant. Geez, if you are that important, stay home and take your calls or get your food to go.

Eve2278

07-04-2009, 10:06 AM

Well I think we have to agree "Europe" allows dogs and I think were mature enough to realize on that particular day when YOU might want to visit a restaurant that allows the pooches outside and you happen to see one outside that might offend you, you can eat inside or at one of the many other eatery places The Villages has to offer.
Sometimes it just best to "smile" and move on but...

I do agree with billetkid comments:
One can easily be emphatic without being derogatory....if one cared enough to do so....eh? The beauty of the 1st amendment in action

collection6

07-04-2009, 11:39 AM

I am not a dog lover, although I can tolerate a well behaved one and do believe that they are a comfort and benifit to the right owner. I have been reading the posts on dogs in outside eating areas, both pro and con. While I do not personally choose to dine with a dog next to me, I do feel that one has the option of asking to be moved to another table or dining inside. It should not be a major problem LIVE LIFE and BE HAPPY!

nONIE

07-04-2009, 12:25 PM

If a restaurant allows dogs in any eating area, I won't eat there.
Jan, just curious,

does that apply to service dogs also?

cabo35

07-04-2009, 01:45 PM

We spent a lot of time in the Florida Keys and Key West. Dogs were always welcome INSIDE Sloppy Joe's and other watering holes. Maybe Key West did secede from the State of Florida and the United States to become the Conch Republic. I don't have a dog in this debate but recall the pooches in Sloppy Joe's and Captain Tony's being laid back and well behaved, even more so than some of the clientele. Anybody been there lately? Are they still allowing dogs inside?

njgranny

07-04-2009, 02:28 PM

took a vacation in Key West this winter and, yes, there were dogs in the restaurants. He is a dog lover, so lots of his pictures included the dogs, both in restaurants and playing on the beach.

We, too, have seen dogs in restaurants in Europe and in department stores. In Switzerland, we saw them on the trolleys. I think the dogs there are very well behaved. In Torremolinas, Spain, people walk their dogs without leashes and we never saw one misbehave.

Talk Host

07-04-2009, 02:36 PM

Jan, just curious,

does that apply to service dogs also?

Of course I don't mean "real" service dogs. I do object strenuously to the new fad of "fake" service dog signs on non service dogs. People who are doing this just so they can take their pets into pet restricted areas, should be arrested.

nONIE

07-04-2009, 06:01 PM

I guess thats better then putting "real signs' on fake dogs!

OK Jan, Im ducking!!!:throwtomatoes::throwtomatoes:

chuckinca

07-04-2009, 06:23 PM

nONIE:

That's Strike Two!

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clyd709

07-04-2009, 10:13 PM

I agree with you 100% there is nothing more annoying than sitting in a restaurant and some person is talking on their cell phone so that the whole restaurant has to listen to their conversation. In some cases dogs have more manners than than people.

Talk Host

07-05-2009, 06:34 AM

Aren't we mixing two different things here? People talking on cell phones in restaurants has nothing to do with allowing dogs in eating areas. The two issues are not related as far as I can see.

michtofla

07-05-2009, 07:29 AM

Europeans don't shave their armpits either. So they're more screwed up than Villages dog lovers

michtofla

07-05-2009, 07:41 AM

Muncle

07-05-2009, 07:53 AM

Europeans don't shave their armpits either. So they're more screwed up than Villages dog lovers

Well, I don't shave my armpits and I'll betcha Talk Host doesn't either. And I'd be willing to bet that Chuck doesn't even do that. Sounds gross. But what it has to do with dogs being in restaurants is beyond me. Are they maybe scared off by the sound of the razor, like with a vacuum cleaner?

Anyway, I'm not sure about dogs at Up the Creek, but the horse at this thread is sure dead, beaten senseless.

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billethkid

07-05-2009, 08:02 AM

pot stirring posters....eh?

btk

graciegirl

07-05-2009, 08:08 AM

I suggest you never travel to Europe where dogs in resturants are quite normal. I'm sure Up the Creek will survive without you business.

I was going to say the same thing about Europe. I remember the first time I visited Paris and saw the well behaved dogs sitting next to their owners knee in all of the restaurants. I later asked the cab driver...Why are French dogs and French children so well behaved? He answered. "We beat them".

I know he was kidding but........

I think that the majority of people in the villages have pets. . I see that as a lovely thing.

Nothing wrong with kindness anyway you see it.

784caroline

07-05-2009, 08:18 AM

michto fl

Where is it stated that dogs are not allowed at the town squares?? As a newbie and a junior poster here on TOTV..... you will quickly realize that calling people "Wackos" simply because you disagree with with something they do or believe in will not get you far on TOTV or in the Villages itself.

BTW I shave my dog..at least for the summer!!!

hdh1470

07-05-2009, 09:15 AM

I think I would rather have dinner with dogs then some of the posters

Barefoot

07-05-2009, 09:47 AM

Don't you people have a life? If you could only hear the comments you get from the rest of us as you push your little buggies around or dance with your dogs.

Mitch, I really doubt you are speaking for the "rest of us". I've noticed many people greeting dogs at the Town Squares with pleasure.

So far you've called your fellow TOTV members "sicko", "obnoxious" and "wackos".

I hope we can all live peaceably together without name calling.

Halle

07-05-2009, 10:06 AM

:agree::agree::agree:

I think I would rather have dinner with dogs then some of the posters

duffysmom

07-05-2009, 01:12 PM

Mitch, where is all this hostility coming from? Chill our and smell the roses instead of calling your neighbors derogatory names.:swear: Dogs are here to stay.

beady

07-05-2009, 02:20 PM

I loved taking my dog with me when I was out and about in TV and if he misbehaved, he was removed from the situation. A new puppy is expected in the late fall and he will be taught how to behave in public and accompany me into the squares and restaurants that allow dogs.

Being a responsible dog owner is the most important issue being debated here.....whether it is walking the pooch in your neighborhood or accompanying you to a restaurant patio.

michtofla

07-05-2009, 02:57 PM

MelZ

07-05-2009, 05:18 PM

There are signs at both squares that say "pedestrians only". Anyway dogs poop and pee where ever they are and I for one don't want to walk in their poop. Surely you've seen poop on the sidewalks around the squares. Why in the world do you have to bring your dog to the square?

For someone who professes to "like dogs" you seem awful negative about them.

Just an observation

PJOHNS2654

07-05-2009, 06:40 PM

These dog owners are getting out of control. Dogs are not allowed on the town squares. Yet dozens of wackos bring their dogs to the square, Some even take them on the dance floor and dance with them. They can't go out for a bite to eat without taking their dog. The Marion market has big signs up, 'No dogs allowed'. But people bring their dogs. Pushing them around in little baby buggies, for crying out loud. They walk their dogs by my house and let them pee in any yard they want. They ride them around in their golf carts. And my favorites are the overweight people who ride in the cart while the little dog huffs and puffs along side. Don't you people have a life? If you could only hear the comments you get from the rest of us as you push your little buggies around or dance with your dogs.

We have a beautiful Black Lab and on one of the first vists to Spanish Springs town square we noticed the lady Lake Cop exit his vehicle and walk toward us. I figured he is going to warn or cite us. When he reached us he got down on his knees and hugged our beauty. he then gave him a dog biscuit. Since then we have seen this officer several times and this "not Allowed?" dog is still given the Royal Treatment.

RCT

07-05-2009, 07:34 PM

There are signs at both squares that say "pedestrians only". Anyway dogs poop and pee where ever they are and I for one don't want to walk in their poop. Surely you've seen poop on the sidewalks around the squares. Why in the world do you have to bring your dog to the square? I didn't know dogs in Michigan don't poop and pee. Every post of yours has been derogatory, and offensive. I vote the dogs at eateries, but you not.

beady

07-05-2009, 08:15 PM

Can't honestly say I have seen any "leavings" in the squares.

The police officers in Spanish Springs is obviously a good guy and loves dogs.Even so, if the dog was illegal I am sure he would enforce the law.

Muncle

07-05-2009, 08:36 PM

There are signs at both squares that say "pedestrians only".

I'm sorry but that comment is moronic. The signs preclude the use of golf carts, bicycles, skate boards, Segways, mopeds --- seeing a trend here? It does not bar access for wheel chairs, strollers, one-legged people with crutches, or even that guy from the 30's movies who had no legs and rolled around on a board on wheels selling the latest edition of The Daily Planet.

And it does not bar access to pets. If that were the intent, there would be a sign that said in great big letters "NO DOGS ALLOWED". Ain't no such sign.

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Barefoot

07-06-2009, 04:10 AM

I didn't know dogs in Michigan don't poop and pee. Every post of yours has been derogatory, and offensive. I vote the dogs at eateries, but you not.

RCT & Muncle ... :024: :agree:

Taltarzac

07-06-2009, 07:35 AM

http://europeforvisitors.com/europe/articles/europe_for_pets.htm

I like seeing pets on the two Villages squares if they are well behaved that is. I would not expect many of them would like all the noise though at certain times on the Squares.

graciegirl

07-06-2009, 10:01 PM

Well I guess I got enough mileage out of doggie lovers. What should I try next? Obama bashing? No, that wouldn't work, since most everyone in The Villages would be on my side against that sorry loser. Maybe the NRA! Or concealed weapons permits. Or gay bashing! I'm so confused. So much to talk about and so little time.

I gotta hand it to ya. Zero to 60 in just 8 posts!!!:shrug:

billethkid

07-06-2009, 10:27 PM

I would hope some where in your list we will be able to determine what it is you stand for and believe other than just throwing out topics for your entertainment...michtofl.

btk

Keedy

07-06-2009, 10:49 PM

Well I guess I got enough mileage out of doggie lovers. What should I try next? Obama bashing? No, that wouldn't work, since most everyone in The Villages would be on my side against that sorry loser. Maybe the NRA! Or concealed weapons permits. Or gay bashing! I'm so confused. So much to talk about and so little time.

LOL Back again under a different name, huh? I bet your having fun. Does your mother know your playing with the computer again?

BobKat1

07-07-2009, 07:28 AM

Keedy

07-07-2009, 08:15 AM

While part of me knows MichtoFL (who I really wish was FLtoMich-and-stay-there) is a drive by, I have to wonder why so much hatred, so little time. Why bash anyone at all?

I like that one, katezbox lol. My guess is that he has too much time on his/her hands. We had a drive by on the political forum last week. My guess is that he/she likes to stir things up and then sits back and laughs. Some kind of adrenalin rush, I suppose.:o

BobKat1

07-07-2009, 08:47 AM

Let all the gays marry their male partners. Let all the lesbians marry their female partners. Let all the pro-abotionists have their abortions. And magically, in three generations......NO MORE DEMOCRATS!

Hey mich, this sophomoric trolling is relevant to dogs outside Up The Creek because???

michtofla

07-07-2009, 09:11 AM

No relevance. Just a little joke I thought I would share.

Keedy

07-07-2009, 09:57 AM

Hey mich, this sophomoric trolling is relevant to dogs outside Up The Creek because???

Pease don't feed the trolls.;)

michtofla

07-07-2009, 05:13 PM

I would like to call all dog owners to look at their deeds and restrictions that they agreed to and signed when they bought their homes. At least in Santo Domingo, but probably throughout The Villages, you are only allowed to have one dog. In the Santo Domingo 'Declarations of Restrictions' it is item 2.23. I can't tell you how many dog walkers I see with more than one dog. I'm going to pursue this through the Villages and see what I can do about it. Those of you with more than one dog better start deciding which little poochie has to go. And if anyone thinks that The Villages doesn't enforce their restrictions when somebody complains I've got a whole lot of horror stories I can tell you about.

dillywho

07-07-2009, 05:22 PM

If they are not bothering you, why do you care? Maybe some are dog sitters and prefer to walk more than one at a time. BTW, my papers don't say how many.....just that they are not to be a nuisance and does not say anything about dogs....just pets. I don't think just being seen can be classified as a nuisance. (Hope I spelled that right.) IMHO

JeanneBeannie

07-07-2009, 05:22 PM

I G N O R E

:barf:

nONIE

07-07-2009, 05:32 PM

I highly doubt that anyone at this point is going to get rid of their well loved pets!!

Barefoot

07-08-2009, 12:57 PM

Those of you with more than one dog better start deciding which little poochie has to go. And if anyone thinks that The Villages doesn't enforce their restrictions when somebody complains I've got a whole lot of horror stories I can tell you about.

Mich is a troll.

graciegirl

07-08-2009, 02:24 PM

But. But. But.

I think that things are getting a little out of hand here. The people who run this show have rules about personal attacks. Maybe someone can help find the door for him.

katezbox

07-08-2009, 06:29 PM

But. But. But.

I think that things are getting a little out of hand here. The people who run this show have rules about personal attacks. Maybe someone can help find the door for him.

Thank you Gracie! TH, Tony are you out there?

Talk Host

07-08-2009, 07:04 PM

Thank you Gracie! TH, Tony are you out there?

Fear not, we are taking care of business. :crap2:

Muncle

07-08-2009, 07:57 PM

CAVEAT -- this post is meant for no individual in particular. If you see something you like, take it.
Okay. I know the 1st Amendment applies only to the gov't. It does not apply to private industry such as TOTV nor to interpersonal relationships. However, though it is not dictated by law, we in America have adopted a custom of respecting at least limited freedom of speech in our semi-public interpersonal activities. This concept of protecting and accepting freedom of speech was not aimed at speech with which we agreed or was innocuous. Those need no such guards. It is aimed at speech with which we don't agree, which we might personally might find distasteful, or which we just don't like.

Do we have to listen to/read it? No. We can change the dial, hit the delete button, or just skip it. I don't think TOTV has a "kill file" function that I find invaluable for spammers and a few others on my email. I used it on an old Usenet group I frequented, but in retrospect, it's not that great a tool for a forum/newsgroup. You'd eliminate the person entirely from your viewing. If they should come up with something of value in the future, you've missed it. God knows, those kill files would have been filled during the great Horse Park/card game room controversy last year, and they'd have overflowed during the election. But a better tool is to see what a thread is all about and if it interests you, read it. If not, skip it. If a poster bugs you, skip his entries.

Old point, but TOTV is not about you. It's about everybody. Not all topics are for everybody and not all posters appeal to all. Chill a bit.

And if you disagree with me, then you, sir, are worse than Al Gore.

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Whalen

07-08-2009, 08:09 PM

Muncle

07-08-2009, 08:26 PM

"Old point, but TOTV is not about you. It's about everybody. Not all topics are for everybody and not all posters appeal to all. Chill a bit.

And if you disagree with me, then you, sir, are worse than Al Gore."

I happen to agree with you, but

What's Gore got to do with it, got to do with it?
Hey sounds like a Tina Turner song.

You ever watch Red Eye (not for all tastes) on the dreaded and feared Fox News Channel? Greg Gutfeld does a monologue that he always ends with "And if you disagree with me, then you, sir, are worse than Hitler.", really drawing out the name. The other night after Gore had made his Global Warming versus the Nazis speech, Gutfeld ended hid "gregologue" with Gore instead of Hitler. I liked it.

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BobKat1

07-08-2009, 08:35 PM

I can only watch Fox in (very) small doses - But that's a funny line...

shelagh.rose

07-09-2009, 01:24 AM

I really don't understand the problem.
Here, most store owners have bowls
of water and wooden boxes that hold
dog biscuits for the taking right outside
their doors. Many restaurants do the
same. Most dogs are part of the family too.

As for pooping on sidewalks, etc......there are signs posted
everywhere warning of $ 2,000.00 fines
for anyone caught NOT picking up their
dogs poop. As a result, we rarely have
this problem.

You need to train the owners....not the
poor dog!