Entitled walkers on paths

[TheDude]

I have no problem with bikes and walkers on the paths (I was going to call them golf car paths but I can be fair).

My problem is this...

There are some turns and hidden areas that a walker may come up on a golf cart. I really do not notice this with bikes.

What gets me is instead of moving out of the way in tight situations, that they stand their ground and wave the cart away from them (and maybe into another cart).

Its like a Jedi mind trick.

Now the problem...

Walkers are not protected and they have to take their safety seriously. If it was me, and it was crashing into a walker or crossing into traffic and hitting multiple people, well, I am sorry.

Moral of the story is: Do not trust the skills of the driver. If you are a walker, protect yourself FIRST. Yell all you want but don't get hit by a cart. Their insurance may take a hit, but you will also take a hit and could be injured really badly. It isn't worth it.

Okay, I am done. Don't hate too much, I see to draw hate for some reason. Maybe its my views. Be gentle.

[VApeople]

We don't own a golf cart and almost never walk or ride a bike on the MMPs, so I don't have a dog in this fight. However, I do have an opinion.

If you are driving a cart or riding a bike and you hit a pedestrian, I think you will be in a WORLD of trouble.

If you walk on a MMP, I think you should be very careful, as most people seem to be. As we drive down Buena Vista or Morse, we often see people walking on the MMPs, and they appear to be walking on the extreme edge of the asphalt so they can avoid carts or bikes. That seems pretty smart to me, almost as smart as never walking on the MMP in the first place.

[fred53]

We don't own a golf cart and almost never walk or ride a bike on the MMPs, so I don't have a dog in this fight. However, I do have an opinion.

If you are driving a cart or riding a bike and you hit a pedestrian, I think you will be in a WORLD of trouble.

If you walk on a MMP, I think you should be very careful, as most people seem to be. As we drive down Buena Vista or Morse, we often see people walking on the MMPs, and they appear to be walking on the extreme edge of the asphalt so they can avoid carts or bikes. That seems pretty smart to me, almost as smart as never walking on the MMP in the first place.

Using such logic one should never venture out while walking...what if your in your neighborhood and a car/bike/cart hits you there? What if you're on a sidewalk(where bikes are allowed unfortunately)and a car/cart jumps the curb?

I walk facing traffic(as is recommended)...I walk at the edge of the MMP and streets in neighborhoods and I always assume those in carts/on bikes don't see me. Will that always protect me? No, but it's either that or never leave the house for fear that someone won't be paying attention.

[Challenger]

I have no problem with bikes and walkers on the paths (I was going to call them golf car paths but I can be fair).

My problem is this...

There are some turns and hidden areas that a walker may come up on a golf cart. I really do not notice this with bikes.

What gets me is instead of moving out of the way in tight situations, that they stand their ground and wave the cart away from them (and maybe into another cart).

Its like a Jedi mind trick.

Now the problem...

Walkers are not protected and they have to take their safety seriously. If it was me, and it was crashing into a walker or crossing into traffic and hitting multiple people, well, I am sorry.

Moral of the story is: Do not trust the skills of the driver. If you are a walker, protect yourself FIRST. Yell all you want but don't get hit by a cart. Their insurance may take a hit, but you will also take a hit and could be injured really badly. It isn't worth it.

Okay, I am done. Don't hate too much, I see to draw hate for some reason. Maybe its my views. Be gentle.

It is easy to be right (within your rights) and still be horribly injured or dead.

[Fred R]

There have been lots of times when I am riding in my cart on an MMP and encounter a walker, they won't even consider stepping off the path, especially if 2 carts are passing each other. I've had to slam on the brakes because of their selfish behavior. There is no substitute for courtesy.

[l2ridehd]

Everyone needs to be vigilant and not take chances. But those paths are shared and everyone needs to be courteous and aware of others. Some are not and act belligerent when walking, riding a bike or using a golf cart. And that is dangerous for all.

Just this week I was going north on Lynnhaven in a golf cart. There were two walkers side by side on the sidewalk and two side by side on the golf cart path of the street as all 4 were walking together. Because it was around 8:00 AM and the street was very busy due to school traffic, I could not pull into the street to go around them. I had to come to a complete stop and the two walkers in the golf cart path yelled that I needed to get out of their way as they had the right of way. I could maybe understand if there was no sidewalk, but even then they should maybe do something as they could also see the steady traffic. I had no option but to stop.

[Topspinmo]

There have been lots of times when I am riding in my cart on an MMP and encounter a walker, they won't even consider stepping off the path, especially if 2 carts are passing each other. I've had to slam on the brakes because of their selfish behavior. There is no substitute for courtesy.

Agree, have you ran it to the three abreast or 4 abreast that nearly take up the whole path. Even walking I had to get off in the grass cause 4 walking side by side Yakking away care in the world. I am ready to jump off the path at any monument and won't hesitate to do so. Carts have blind spots. IMO what's really bad some walk side by side in the diamond lanes when heavy traffic Cart, two cars and two people all in line on the street don't leave much room for error. Now add blind spots, sun, and not paying attention, is why I ready to jump onto the grass or even get on the grass when see that stars will align .

And I guess there are few that's always looking for law suit to supplement they're retirement income for cruises or European vacations.

[Arctic Fox]

There have been lots of times when I am riding in my cart on an MMP and encounter a walker, they won't even consider stepping off the path, especially if 2 carts are passing each other. I've had to slam on the brakes because of their selfish behavior. There is no substitute for courtesy.

and you never consider slowing down (so you wouldn't have to "slam on the brakes") or stopping while the other cart passes?

everyone has a right to use that path, which is why it's called Multi Modal, and, while pedestrians need to be careful (per the OP), they shouldn't have to jump out of the way just because you choose to be thoughtless

[biker1]

Walkers, cyclists, skaters, and golf carts have the same rights and responsibilities on the MMPs. They are a shared resource. It is your responsibility to go around slower moving "entities" when it is safe to do so and walkers have every right to be on the MMPs.

There have been lots of times when I am riding in my cart on an MMP and encounter a walker, they won't even consider stepping off the path, especially if 2 carts are passing each other. I've had to slam on the brakes because of their selfish behavior. There is no substitute for courtesy.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Walkers, cyclists, skaters, and golf carts have the same rights and responsibilities on the MMPs. It is your responsibility to go around slower moving "entities" when it is safe to do so and walkers have every right to be on the MMPs.

That may be true, but in my humble opinion, you're taking your life in your hands if you're walking on those paths.

You have elderly people driving 600-800 pound vehicles at 20-25 mph on the paths. Some of them are driving golf carts because their driver's licenses have been taken away. I know of some that are legally blind and can't drive a car so they drive a golf cart.

Many of the paths are barely wide enough for two carts to pass side by side. Om many areas there are blind corners and walkers are not seen until it's very late. And then as the OP has pointed out if it comes down to crashing head first into another golf cart or taking out a pedestrian, what would your choice be. Also many walkers (not all) have this sort of arrogance about how they have as much right as a golf cart so they stand on the path in defiance of the carts. Again, it may be true, they do have the same rights and if it makes the feel better, "I Was Right" can always be written on their tombstone.

I think that The Villages is also at fault and could possibly be liable for someone getting severely injured on one of these paths. They should call them golf cart paths and ban walking on them or at least state that walkers and runners do so at their own risk.

Calling them multi modal paths encourages people to walk and run on them and endangers the lives and safety of the general public.

[blueash]

Just this week I was going north on Lynnhaven in a golf cart. There were two walkers side by side on the sidewalk and two side by side on the golf cart path of the street as all 4 were walking together. Because it was around 8:00 AM and the street was very busy due to school traffic, I could not pull into the street to go around them. I had to come to a complete stop and the two walkers in the golf cart path yelled that I needed to get out of their way as they had the right of way. I could maybe understand if there was no sidewalk, but even then they should maybe do something as they could also see the steady traffic. I had no option but to stop.


As to the assertion of the walkers in the street that they had the right of way. No they don't and they were in violation of Florida law if there was a sidewalk available as you stated

316.130 Pedestrians; traffic regulations.—
(3) Where sidewalks are provided, no pedestrian shall, unless required by other circumstances, walk along and upon the portion of a roadway paved for vehicular traffic.


Nonetheless, that provision does not provide legal cover should you hit these misbehaving pedestrians

(15) Notwithstanding other provisions of this chapter, every driver of a vehicle shall exercise due care to avoid colliding with any pedestrian

[VApeople]

There have been lots of times when I am riding in my cart on an MMP and encounter a walker, they won't even consider stepping off the path, especially if 2 carts are passing each other. I've had to slam on the brakes because of their selfish behavior. There is no substitute for courtesy.

If you see a walker on the MMP and you are not able to pass around them because another cart is coming, you might want to consider slowing down until you can safely pass the walker. Or is that expecting too much courtesy from you?

[biker1]

I think you missed my point. There are some who implicitly (and incorrectly, I may add) assume that golf carts have more rights on the MMPs than walkers. This erroneous assumption is most likely part of the problem; they don't recognize their responsibilities. This was an opportunity to set forth the facts. I generally prefer not to pontificate over what I think should be but try to focus on what is.

That may be true, but in my humble opinion, you're taking your life in your hands if you're walking on those paths.

You have elderly people driving 600-800 pound vehicles at 20-25 mph on the paths. Some of them are driving golf carts because their driver's licenses have been taken away. I know of some that are legally blind and can't drive a car so they drive a golf cart.

Many of the paths are barely wide enough for two carts to pass side by side. Om many areas there are blind corners and walkers are not seen until it's very late. And then as the OP has pointed out if it comes down to crashing head first into another golf cart or taking out a pedestrian, what would your choice be. Also many walkers (not all) have this sort of arrogance about how they have as much right as a golf cart so they stand on the path in defiance of the carts. Again, it may be true, they do have the same rights and if it makes the feel better, "I Was Right" can always be written on their tombstone.

I think that The Villages is also at fault and could possibly be liable for someone getting severely injured on one of these paths. They should call them golf cart paths and ban walking on them or at least state that walkers and runners do so at their own risk.

Calling them multi modal paths encourages people to walk and run on them and endangers the lives and safety of the general public.

[ankeny]

Should walkers walk on the right or left side of paths? When I approach them in a golf cart I wish they would walk on the right so I could follow until safe to pass. When they walk on the left side I must come to a stop until safe to go around.

[Two Bills]

Should walkers walk on the right or left side of paths? When I approach them in a golf cart I wish they would walk on the right so I could follow until safe to pass. When they walk on the left side I must come to a stop until safe to go around.

Walkers should walk facing oncoming traffic.
In the event of two carts passing with insuficient room if walkers are on the path, the vehicle on the walkers side should give way or stop until it is safe to pull out and round the walkers.
It would be nice in those situations if the walkers would step onto verge to facilitate free flow of traffic, but like negotiating roundabouts, assume nothing! :22yikes:

[Polar Bear]

...They should call them golf cart paths and ban walking on them or at least state that walkers and runners do so at their own risk.

Calling them multi modal paths encourages people to walk and run on them and endangers the lives and safety of the general public.
If you want 100% safety, then stay home. Although that's not 100% safe either. Nothing is.

I'm glad they're multi modal paths...and that they will remain so.

[Barefoot]

There have been lots of times when I am riding in my cart on an MMP and encounter a walker, they won't even consider stepping off the path, especially if 2 carts are passing each other. I've had to slam on the brakes because of their selfish behavior. There is no substitute for courtesy.
Perhaps the walkers in your example were wishing that you would slow down and wait until it was safe to pass them.

[Challenger]

There have been lots of times when I am riding in my cart on an MMP and encounter a walker, they won't even consider stepping off the path, especially if 2 carts are passing each other. I've had to slam on the brakes because of their selfish behavior. There is no substitute for courtesy.

Would you consider slowing down when you see walkers coming? Saves on "slamming brakes" That might be considered "courtesy" also "unselfish"

[billethkid]

It is obvious that there is an over riding view that "the paths" are for golf carts. Which, like it or not, they are multi modal paths....each mode having as much right to be there as the next.

I am a MMP walker and have been for the past 13 years....every day....2-3 miles.

Those who think walkers should get off the path or yield to oncoming carts are looking at it drom the "cart path" mentality.

Anytime I have encountered an issue it is very obvious the driver either could not see far enough to know someone was there or they were on their phone/texting.
99% of the time all users do what is right in the name of safety.......same as on the road.

It is unfortunate the discussions always are about the one percent that are at issue.

Another big help would be for some
cart drivers to know and understand there is no rule that states pedal to the floor at all times while operating!

MULTI MODAL PATHS.

[Chatbrat]

If their licenses are taken away--they can not drive a golf cart--if they are legally blind they can't legally drive a golf cart

[Trayderjoe]

It is obvious that there is an over riding view that "the paths" are for golf carts. Which, like it or not, they are multi modal paths....each mode having as much right to be there as the next.

I am a MMP walker and have been for the past 13 years....every day....2-3 miles.

Those who think walkers should get off the path or yield to oncoming carts are looking at it drom the "cart path" mentality.

Anytime I have encountered an issue it is very obvious the driver either could not see far enough to know someone was there or they were on their phone/texting.
99% of the time all users do what is right in the name of safety.......same as on the road.

It is unfortunate the discussions always are about the one percent that are at issue.

Another big help would be for some
cart drivers to know and understand there is no rule that states pedal to the floor at all times while operating!

MULTI MODAL PATHS.

As to the assertion of the walkers in the street that they had the right of way. No they don't and they were in violation of Florida law if there was a sidewalk available as you stated

316.130 Pedestrians; traffic regulations.—
(3) Where sidewalks are provided, no pedestrian shall, unless required by other circumstances, walk along and upon the portion of a roadway paved for vehicular traffic.


Nonetheless, that provision does not provide legal cover should you hit these misbehaving pedestrians

(15) Notwithstanding other provisions of this chapter, every driver of a vehicle shall exercise due care to avoid colliding with any pedestrian

Agreed for the most part (especially that people don't need to keep the pedal to the metal 100% of the time). I have no issues with walkers using the MMP. My concern is that as others have stated, there are walkers who insist on being right, but at the potential cost of their health. I was driving from Caroline toward Morse Blvd., taking the curve to go down to the tunnel and quite literally, found a walker right in front of me on the blind curve. Fortunately I was driving slowly and anticipating that someone could be there, so no accident. The walker was oblivious (he was either texting or looking at his MP3 player since he was also wearing earphones) and did not even flinch when I suddenly appeared in front of him (probably couldn't hear the golf cart motor). While the walker was walking toward traffic, he should have been paying attention to the path, at least until he got around the blind curve, or if he could do so safely, possibly even cross over and walk on the grass until he passed the curve.

While I have not seen 4 abreast walkers, I would suggest that this is rude when carts, bicyclists or other walkers are in the area all who have equal rights to use the path without obstruction by the walkers in this scenario.

I do have issue with walkers using the cart lanes on the road instead of the sidewalk. I am not referring to those who temporarily step off the sidewalk to avoid an active lawn sprinkler. I would like to see some warnings/citations being issued by the sheriff's department to walkers who stay in the roadway golf cart lane per the citation quoted above.

[Marathon Man]

I think you missed my point. There are some who implicitly (and incorrectly, I may add) assume that golf carts have more rights on the MMPs than walkers. This erroneous assumption is most likely part of the problem; they don't recognize their responsibilities. This was an opportunity to set forth the facts. I generally prefer not to pontificate over what I think should be but try to focus on what is.

Absolutley agree with this. There seems to be a belief on the part of some that golf carts have priority and all others need to give way to them. I believe that there is a small minority of drivers that feel this way, and the majority of drivers drive responsibly and courteously. As for the others, if they have not realized by now that operating a motor vehicle on a path that is shared with pedestians involves certain responsibilities, we will not be able to change their thinking. Certain entries on this thread indicate as much.

[blueash]

--if they are legally blind they can't legally drive a golf cart

There was a thread (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/golf-cart-insurance-226621/index2.html)not long ago on which the OP is apparently too vision impaired to get a driver's license. Her concern is not that she might hit someone but rather that her insurance might find out that she is impaired and refuse to cover her.

I wrote the newly elected Florida State Representative, who used to be the head of the VHA, about proposing legislation prohibiting legally blind individuals from operating a golf cart in the street and he felt no such legislation was needed. Instead he suggested "how attentive we all must be when driving (even walking) around The Villages "

[NYGUY]

Can someone explain why people walk in the street when a sidewalk is available?

[blueeagle65]

Always walk on the LEFT facing traffic SINGLE file - ALWAYS.......

[Here2Stay]

It comes down to common sense and common human kindness! So many times I see golf golf drivers flying around those curves, that alone tells me common sense NOT being used. So at this stage in our lives, let's just show human kindness and both parties giving a little for the safety of all!:gc:

[justjim]

It would help safety if walkers would wear bright clothing and even more if they wore "reflective" type clothing.

A number of times I have observed people walking with the flow of traffic and also wearing dark clothing and thereby putting themselves in harms way on the multi modal paths. A few days ago I rounded a curve in my cart to see a lady walking two dogs with traffic and putting her dogs and herself in unnecessary harms way.

Finally, I see too many speeding golf carts with clubs on the back obviously in a hurry to make a tee time that are a safety issue to themselves, other golf carts, bicycles and walkers. Your retired so do yourself and others a favor by leaving home 10-15 minutes earlier. This could improve your golf game too. Just a thought.

[Carl in Tampa]

If their licenses are taken away--they can not drive a golf cart--if they are legally blind they can't legally drive a golf cart

I would be most interested in having you cite a Florida Statute to that effect.

I believe you are incorrect.

[Rosie1950]

Can someone explain why people walk in the street when a sidewalk is available?

Can someone explain why I saw a cart on a sidewalk on Parr Drive when there is a street available? While walking around town square daily I always wondered why I would see a very nice lady walking in the cart path instead of on the side walk. I know you are supposed to be on the sidewalk, but I never said anything, then 4 weeks age while walking not 5 minutes away from were I parked I tripped on some uneven sidewalk and was unable to correct my balance I went down on one knee and ended up with taking off up to 4-5 layers of skin, with the sidewalks being so rough.

So the easy answer is the roads are NOT uneven and I have 1 playground knee and the ground is harder as we get older! But I'm fine and I got up, went to Curves got a VERY large band aide,worked out and went home.:MOJE_whot:

[kcrazorbackfan]

I walk the mmp's a lot; I do wear bright clothing and I face the traffic staying to the right as much as I can. Here's is what I see as problems with SOME, NOT ALL, walkers - some of you wear dark clothing (what are you trying to be, a ninja warrior?) and cannot be seen before dawn or after dusk, when there's two or more of you, why do you refuse to go single file when a cart is approaching (I've encountered 2 & 3 abreast in the lanes with landscape medians who refuse to move over until they realize I can't get my cart any further over to the left)?, watch where you're walking (some of you look like you're watching your feet while walking and don't realize something is heading toward you that can injure/kill you) and lastly, to bicyclists - STAY OFF THE SIDEWALKS, the diamond lanes, mmp's and vehicle lanes offer plenty of places for you to ride.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Can someone explain why people walk in the street when a sidewalk is available?

If you ever figure that one out, let us all know.

[RickeyD]

If you ever figure that one out, let us all know.



Asphalt easier on the joints than concrete ?

[kcrazorbackfan]

Asphalt easier on the joints than concrete ?

I find that neither is easier on my repaired knees. :ohdear:

[HoosierPa]

That may be true, but in my humble opinion, you're taking your life in your hands if you're walking on those paths.

You have elderly people driving 600-800 pound vehicles at 20-25 mph on the paths. Some of them are driving golf carts because their driver's licenses have been taken away. I know of some that are legally blind and can't drive a car so they drive a golf cart.

Many of the paths are barely wide enough for two carts to pass side by side. Om many areas there are blind corners and walkers are not seen until it's very late. And then as the OP has pointed out if it comes down to crashing head first into another golf cart or taking out a pedestrian, what would your choice be. Also many walkers (not all) have this sort of arrogance about how they have as much right as a golf cart so they stand on the path in defiance of the carts. Again, it may be true, they do have the same rights and if it makes the feel better, "I Was Right" can always be written on their tombstone.

I think that The Villages is also at fault and could possibly be liable for someone getting severely injured on one of these paths. They should call them golf cart paths and ban walking on them or at least state that walkers and runners do so at their own risk.

Calling them multi modal paths encourages people to walk and run on them and endangers the lives and safety of the general public.

The fact is they ARE MULTI MODAL PATHS so the golf cart drivers are the users who need to be the most cautious since their carts could be deadly to the others who have just as much of a right to use them.

[rubicon]

I have read the 34 previous posts and everything that has been said has been repeated several times over on these pages.

And each time I have mentioned that the cause of all this commotion is that The Villages error was in creating MMP's in the first place.

It does not take much forethought to recognize the danger being created by placing carts, bikes, pedestrian, etc on the same paths.

So the obvious outcome has been cited on the previous comments on 34 posts.

The motor vehicle laws establish attempt to balance the law for the protection of us all by creating certain rights and responsibilities. the problem of course is the human experience.

Recognizing this I travel with my eyes wide open. When I see pedestrians on either side of the path I slow because I do not want to startle them and I am aware that there are a majority of golf cart drivers that do not understand that the rules of the road require them to stop if an obstruction (people , parked car) is in their path. they simply attempt to veer around pedestrians to the middle of the path. Knowing this I slow or stop.

and I have written on these pages in the past that some walkers dress as if they are commandos

What I have learned is that the MMP were not well thought out and so my responsibility is to be well... very alert and careful of others.

Personal Best Regards:

[ettesisters17]

I have not seen a cart driver mention going off the path in any comments and you know that is a possibility if it is a situation where there is a bad judgement call. To have someone wave you out of the way or to go by is this seriously something to be concerned about? But I have seen comments stating the walker or biker should. First you should take into consideration people are not sure footed on the curves in the landscape or in the grass as far as that goes. The walker and biker takes the chance of falling because of the fast difference in surface and judgement. As many have stated when there are two carts one in each direction, I do not see the problem with waiting until the other passes in order to be CAUTIOUS AND CONSIDERATE. Some like myself go out of our way to NOT deal with this cry baby situation and not put my life in harms way. I ride at 5:00 am when I do not have to deal with anyone on the path. I do worry about the cars and if I fall there is no one out there to give me any attention. This sounds pretty petty to me and there are so many more important things to be upset over. I think it is wonderful to see people of all types using the paths, including the people walking their fur babies. All in all it is your blood pressure that will rise if this stuff offends you, so let it go and have a great day.

[hefoose]

Why can't we all just get along? Yep, some folks are selfish and rude. They may even act entitled. Try giving them the grace and mercy they don't deserve. You'll still be pleasant when the sun sets. Don't let the discourteous drag you into their world.

[OhioBuckeye]

I have no problem with bikes and walkers on the paths (I was going to call them golf car paths but I can be fair).

My problem is this...

There are some turns and hidden areas that a walker may come up on a golf cart. I really do not notice this with bikes.

What gets me is instead of moving out of the way in tight situations, that they stand their ground and wave the cart away from them (and maybe into another cart).

Its like a Jedi mind trick.

Now the problem...

Walkers are not protected and they have to take their safety seriously. If it was me, and it was crashing into a walker or crossing into traffic and hitting multiple people, well, I am sorry.

Moral of the story is: Do not trust the skills of the driver. If you are a walker, protect yourself FIRST. Yell all you want but don't get hit by a cart. Their insurance may take a hit, but you will also take a hit and could be injured really badly. It isn't worth it.

Okay, I am done. Don't hate too much, I see to draw hate for some reason. Maybe its my views. Be gentle.

You're right, walkers beware! On Tue. Jan. 24th I was walking past Bradenton Rec. center & when I started to cross drive that leads into the Rec. center I was about half way across the drive & I notice a car turning into the parking lot out the corner of my eye. Some elderly lady turned in & when I look up just as the car was about 5 or 6 ft. from me I noticed she wasn't even looking straight ahead, she was gawking at the building or was concentrating on a parking place. Seriously I had to jump backward & her car ran over the tips of my shoes & this lady never batted an eye that I was even there. Well I didn't get PO'd about it because nobody (I didn't) get hurt, but now when I think about it I should of hit the top of her car when she was so close. This lady was so old that I thought, NO if I started srceaming at her she might of had a heart attack. So like THE DUDE says, beware of on coming cars at all times. Even I should of been watching for cars coming in from behind me, in that case I would of gotten hit. BE CAREFUL WALKERS!

[looneycat]

There have been lots of times when I am riding in my cart on an MMP and encounter a walker, they won't even consider stepping off the path, especially if 2 carts are passing each other. I've had to slam on the brakes because of their selfish behavior. There is no substitute for courtesy.

you are being selfish as your proper reaction should be slow down and let the other cart pass then pass the walker, you on the other hand, are acting 'entitled' and selfish blaming walkers for your unwillingness to wait 10 seconds.

[bagboy]

I have read the 34 previous posts and everything that has been said has been repeated several times over on these pages.

And each time I have mentioned that the cause of all this commotion is that The Villages error was in creating MMP's in the first place.

It does not take much forethought to recognize the danger being created by placing carts, bikes, pedestrian, etc on the same paths.

So the obvious outcome has been cited on the previous comments on 34 posts.

The motor vehicle laws establish attempt to balance the law for the protection of us all by creating certain rights and responsibilities. the problem of course is the human experience.

Recognizing this I travel with my eyes wide open. When I see pedestrians on either side of the path I slow because I do not want to startle them and I am aware that there are a majority of golf cart drivers that do not understand that the rules of the road require them to stop if an obstruction (people , parked car) is in their path. they simply attempt to veer around pedestrians to the middle of the path. Knowing this I slow or stop.

and I have written on these pages in the past that some walkers dress as if they are commandos

What I have learned is that the MMP were not well thought out and so my responsibility is to be well... very alert and careful of others.

Personal Best Regards:

Maybe the mistake wasn't in the development of the MMPs, but in the assumption that retired, mostly successful individuals would be able to use the MMPS in a safe and responsible manner. Adultlike if you will.

[rexxfan]

These threads where people complain about some aspect of other peoples behavior are pointless. Nothing is going to be solved by your post. Just stop. Try to be the best person you can be. In the end thats all that matters.

I walk many miles a week on the paths. I practice defensive walking. If I had a cart, I'd practice defensive driving. I think that's probably the best we can all do.

Peace.
--
Bob C

[fofd1091]

Thanks,works great for me on WIN-10:wave:

[dietpepsi]

There have been lots of times when I am riding in my cart on an MMP and encounter a walker, they won't even consider stepping off the path, especially if 2 carts are passing each other. I've had to slam on the brakes because of their selfish behavior. There is no substitute for courtesy.

you so correct about courtesy! why should a walker have to go to the grass for the lack of courtesy of the cart drivers! just slow down and realize u are not the king of the road! if a cart hits me i will sue ur bottom! such arragance! the first thing i will do is instruct my attorney to do is to confiscate ur golf cart to check the max speed that is capable of? just so you know do not challenge a walker we have just as much right to be there as you do! i realize there is a assumed entitlement on your part, but this would be a fantasy in your self elevated betterment of others!

[Polar Bear]

you so correct about courtesy! why should a walker have to go to the grass for the lack of courtesy of the cart drivers! just slow down and realize u are not the king of the road!...
Bingo! :)

[OhioBuckeye]

You're right, walkers beware! On Tue. Jan. 24th I was walking past Bradenton Rec. center & when I started to cross drive that leads into the Rec. center I was about half way across the drive & I notice a car turning into the parking lot out the corner of my eye. Some elderly lady turned in & when I look up just as the car was about 5 or 6 ft. from me I noticed she wasn't even looking straight ahead, she was gawking at the building or was concentrating on a parking place. Seriously I had to jump backward & her car ran over the tips of my shoes & this lady never batted an eye that I was even there. Well I didn't get PO'd about it because nobody (I didn't) get hurt, but now when I think about it I should of hit the top of her car when she was so close. This lady was so old that I thought, NO if I started srceaming at her she might of had a heart attack. So like THE DUDE says, beware of on coming cars at all times. Even I should of been watching for cars coming in from behind me, in that case I would of gotten hit. BE CAREFUL WALKERS!
THE DUDE, I hope you don't think my comment sounded like I was mad or yelling at you. You're exactly right, I guess to put it bluntly, some of the people driving cars don't react very quickly & don't seem to think they don't do any wrong. I was just really happy that I was paying attention enough to jump out of the way. THE DUDE, your comment was right & to the point, good job!:agree:

[golfing eagles]

Well, I've read 45 posts now and they are all sounding familiar, so I think I'll take the opportunity to p!$$ off a bunch of people.
It seems to me there are groups of Villagers who are all wrapped up in what their "rights" are, to the exclusion of the "rights" of others or even common courtesy.
Everyone has the "right" to go out and buy a street legal cart and then wallow around at 25 mph on Morse or BV, creating an obstruction that most motorists have to pass, and a probable safety hazard as well--but it is their "right", and a lot of them seem to want to cram it down everyone else's throat.
People can chose to walk their dog in the diamond
lane, or park their cart in the lane and have a conversation with a pedestrian. People can park 2 shopping carts side by side and talk in the grocery store aisle, or bring 70 items to the express lane.
On the golf course, I can pay my fee and then go and have the "right" play the green tees instead of blue, gold or (rarely) black. I would never do that, since it would be extremely rude to my playing partners and the groups behind us since I'd have to wait for the green to clear on almost all the par 4's.
Note I left out bikers and deaf individuals to limit backlash.
The MMP's are a shared resource, and there is no requirement that a pedestrian gets "out of the way" of a cart. Just because you can drive your cart at 20 mph down the MMP does not make it right.
I think it was Star Trek 6 when a speaker said "Just because we CAN do a thing, it doesn't mean we SHOULD do a thing. Remember, we live in America's friendliest home town.

[MegandSteve]

Yes EVERYONE using the paths should be careful and look out for others. Just like you cannot pass a bike or another golf cart if one is coming the other way, you cannot pass a walker. I notice that alot of golf cart drivers seem to think they should be driving at full speed all the time. They do not, and should be going slower in these tight areas because there isn't always a place to step off the path with all our beautiful landscaping.

[Fred R]

you are being selfish as your proper reaction should be slow down and let the other cart pass then pass the walker, you on the other hand, are acting 'entitled' and selfish blaming walkers for your unwillingness to wait 10 seconds.

That;s funny. Just for the record, I ALWAYS slow down when I see a walker, and usually wave to them. My old cart only goes 17 MPH and very seldom do I drive it with the petal to the metal. I slam on the brakes in the rare occasions when folks are walking on the side of the path and then without looking who is coming at them, head toward the middle. That is dangerous. Too many people merely assume that the cart driver is always at fault, but that simply isn't the case. Courtesy works BOTH ways.

[mainer87]

As a frequent jogger on the MPPs, I estimate that 95% of the golf carts move over to give me a little extra room – the other 5% just glare at me for being out there and continue their course…since one never knows which of these the oncoming cart will be, my advice for the MPP pedestrian user is to wear bright colors and be alert to each approaching cart for your own safety…don’t assume you will be yielded the right of way…

[charmed59]

On the golf course, I can pay my fee and then go and have the "right" play the green tees instead of blue, gold or (rarely) black. I would never do that, since it would be extremely rude to my playing partners and the groups behind us since I'd have to wait for the green to clear on almost all the par 4's.
.

This is odd. I haven't run across any golfer playing the green tees that could possibly hit the green on a par 4. I do find it fairly common to run across guys that used to be long hitters, but now should be playing off the green tees for a chance to make par.

[bbbbbb]

CONSIDER THIS ON WALKING. (some free advice but not asked for).
Your first obligation is to yourself, walking or riding, you need to be careful and not put number (1) in danger.
No trip or excursion on a path is worth a risk no matter what your mode of moving is at the time, cart, bike or walking.
If you get hurt, it could be a long time injury, you can wind up with severe arthritis as it heals, you can get some real serious after effects the rest of you life. BE CAREFUL AT ALL TIMES. A good rule on the ocean, from the US Coast Guard and it is worth memorizing,,,,,,,,,,,,,, AT ALL TIMES IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO PREVENT ANY ACCIDENT AT ANY TIME AND TAKE THE ACTION NECESSARY TO PREVENT ANY INJURY TO ANY PERSON, VESSEL OR PROPERTY ETC. So, try this: You are out for an excursion, you want to arrive there safely instead of in the hospital, so be aware, be cautious and be considerate. If the other person is not using good judgement, you do not need to play that rude game. So, on my bicycle, if it is close or marginal, I pull off the path and stop. If I am in the cart and Joe Speedy comes along, I just get off the path. Try it and be happy for what you have to enjoy. Certainly, you do not want to be looking at the birds from your hospital window while propped up with your arms, your legs or your back in a cast. Go easy, just go peacefully, enjoy the trip.

:crap2:

[ColdNoMore]

I believe it is all too easy for those of us who primarily drive carts on the MMP's, to start thinking they are highways for our carts...and walkers/bikers are just 'allowed' to be on them.

The fact of the matter is however...ALL users have EQUAL rights when on them.

If you come up on a walker(s)/bicycles and you have to slow down or stop and wait for oncoming carts to pass before you can safely go around them, then so be it...because that's exactly what you're required to do.

It really is as simple as that. :shrug:

[rubicon]

Maybe the mistake wasn't in the development of the MMPs, but in the assumption that retired, mostly successful individuals would be able to use the MMPS in a safe and responsible manner. Adultlike if you will.

Bagboy: You may well be right given the repeated threads concerning people unable to negotiate the round abouts, failing to use turn signals, driving 20mph in the left lane of a 45 mph highway, etc etc etc:D

[looneycat]

That;s funny. Just for the record, I ALWAYS slow down when I see a walker, and usually wave to them. My old cart only goes 17 MPH and very seldom do I drive it with the petal to the metal. I slam on the brakes in the rare occasions when folks are walking on the side of the path and then without looking who is coming at them, head toward the middle. That is dangerous. Too many people merely assume that the cart driver is always at fault, but that simply isn't the case. Courtesy works BOTH ways.

well, for the record, it was you calling the walkers selfish because they expected you to behave rationally, which you begrudgingly did, and slow down until you had proper clearance...both ways it goes skywalker

[philvanduyn]

It's not just the multimodal paths where we need to be courteous. We are snowbirds and my wife and I were just talking last week about traffic in The Villages. Two or three times a week I encounter traffic or cart stiuations where I needed to take evasive action to avoid accidents with others. People pull out in front of you. They back up without looking. Relax and be kind. If someone is in the path impeding you, slow down, smile and wave to them. One day it will be you "in the wrong".

[Shimpy]

When walking streets in neighborhoods or MMPs I have no problem stepping on the grass to give vehicles plenty of room. I don't trust anybodys ability to judge clearance from me or their attention to driving.

[golfing eagles]

This is odd. I haven't run across any golfer playing the green tees that could possibly hit the green on a par 4. I do find it fairly common to run across guys that used to be long hitters, but now should be playing off the green tees for a chance to make par.

It was a HYPOTHETICAL statement and an analogy to the other statements in the post. No one who could reach most of the par 4's from the green tees SHOULD be playing from there, even though they have the RIGHT to do so, for the reason I stated.

BTW, I did see one golfer who was doing it last week, hit #8 of Egret from 231. Big deal. So if I go out and shoot 58 from the green tees, what have I accomplished? 25 years from now, probably a lot, but right now it would mean nothing to me.

[Polar Bear]

When walking streets in neighborhoods or MMPs I have no problem stepping on the grass to give vehicles plenty of room...
Yeah. No matter what mode of transportation you are using, with or without a vehicle, even before all the applicable laws and rules of the road come into play, your #1 thought should always be...self-preservation!! Most everything else will take care of itself. :)

[TheDude]

I'll add for some hate.

I was going down a path and a woman parked her bike and was sitting half way in the path. I watched many carts (me also) stop and ask her if she was okay. her friend, a guy with a dog, waved everyone on, she was just sitting and petting the dog. This was on a straightaway where most do go 20MPH.

This entitlement was more rude than anything else. She seemed like she didn't want to 'sit' on the grass so she sat in the road.

Now how can anyone see that right? If I was with my pet, looking down, looking at phone, doing 20mph, whatever I am doing (and I am an amazing driver, I didn't hit her and I did ask if she needed help) on a fast path, and then look up... bam, she gets a cart to the head.

That would be bad.

People, you don't wear armor. Just be safe. Please.

[rubicon]

the problem is not living with a homogeneous group its only when they act like a homogeneous group. Bad drivers, bicyclist and walkers abound in ever state and DC. geezz

[Barefoot]

These threads where people complain about some aspect of other peoples behavior are pointless. Nothing is going to be solved by your post. Just stop.
Among other reasons, the Forum exists so we can make pointless complaints about other people's behavior. :evil6:
Most of us realize that nothing is going to be solved by posting on this Forum.
It's just a bunch of harmless retirees "letting off steam" about things that bug them that will never change.

:posting:

......People pull out in front of you. They back up without looking. Relax and be kind. If someone is in the path impeding you, slow down, smile and wave to them. One day it will be you "in the wrong".
:thumbup:

[dewilson58]

Barefoot...............Do you wear shoes on the Paths??

:thumbup:

[CFrance]

Among other reasons, the Forum exists so we can make pointless complaints about other people's behavior. :evil6:
Most of us realize that nothing is going to be solved by posting on this Forum.
It's just a bunch of harmless retirees "letting off steam" about things that bug them that will never change.

:posting:


:thumbup:
And even sometimes problems are solved on this forum. I point to the person five years ago (long forget who) who told me to think of a roundabout as a four-way intersection of two lanes each. And aha, I got the concept. Thank you, whoever you were. And thanks to the forum.

[gap2415]

It comes down to common sense and common human kindness! So many times I see golf golf drivers flying around those curves, that alone tells me common sense NOT being used. So at this stage in our lives, let's just show human kindness and both parties giving a little for the safety of all!:gc:

Common sense ...yes! Hey guys, most of us are retired, no need to rush, no need to point fingers. You have no idea what is going on at that particular moment in the other person, probably countless things. Be safe, expect the other to have momentary lapses and laugh it off unless really dangerous. If so, stop, take a second to speak softly to the other and be willing to listen. Often we learn more by listening. With a smile say - I almost hit you with that bend in the road.
If they retaliate, laugh say hey, I just was concerned and just want to be friendly. You might be meeting your next best friend.

[cmj1210]

When I encounter a walker I slow down & if possible move over. I always get a pleasant wave from the walker. Just common sense. The walkers have as much right to the paths as do golf carts & bikes. No I myself do not use the MMP's for walking but many do.


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[rexxfan]

Among other reasons, the Forum exists so we can make pointless complaints about other people's behavior. :evil6:
Most of us realize that nothing is going to be solved by posting on this Forum.
It's just a bunch of harmless retirees "letting off steam" about things that bug them that will never change.


I just don't see the point in getting steamed in the first place. There's always going to be someone who doesn't see things your way. You're not going to fix that no matter how hard you try, so getting steamed is just ruining your day and possibly shortening your life on account of the stress you put on yourself. Why bother? Shrug and move on with your day. You'll be happier in the long run.
--
Bob C

[LuckySevens]

That may be true, but in my humble opinion, you're taking your life in your hands if you're walking on those paths.

You have elderly people driving 600-800 pound vehicles at 20-25 mph on the paths. Some of them are driving golf carts because their driver's licenses have been taken away. I know of some that are legally blind and can't drive a car so they drive a golf cart.

Many of the paths are barely wide enough for two carts to pass side by side. Om many areas there are blind corners and walkers are not seen until it's very late. And then as the OP has pointed out if it comes down to crashing head first into another golf cart or taking out a pedestrian, what would your choice be. Also many walkers (not all) have this sort of arrogance about how they have as much right as a golf cart so they stand on the path in defiance of the carts. Again, it may be true, they do have the same rights and if it makes the feel better, "I Was Right" can always be written on their tombstone.

I think that The Villages is also at fault and could possibly be liable for someone getting severely injured on one of these paths. They should call them golf cart paths and ban walking on them or at least state that walkers and runners do so at their own risk.

Calling them multi modal paths encourages people to walk and run on them and endangers the lives and safety of the general public.

So what would you have the walkers do? You don't want them on the golf cart paths (on the road) and don't want them on the MMP's. We have very few sidewalks to walk on. It sounds as if you think walkers are secondary citizens with no rights, and should just stay home and watch TV. I don't want to join a gym. I gave up my bicycle because the golf carts almost ran me over several times, and I did not feel safe riding.
I walk alone, on the edge, facing traffic, watching everyone, to be safe. I have had to jump off the edge when a cart was coming right at me, and I almost twisted an ankle.
I don't hear many complaints about bicycles slowing down golf carts on the MMP's. Just yesterday I was behind 2 bicycles while going to golf and I had to creep along behind them. Sure, it is annoying, but they ARE MMP's, meaning we have to SHARE them.

[charmed59]

When driving anything, be it golf cart, car, semi truck, horse, bicycle, the safe rule of thumb is to be able to brake to a full stop before you reach as far as you can see. In the fog, that may mean creeping along in a car on the freeway. On mountain roads it may mean slowing for curves. You never know when a boulder, tree limb, disabled vehicle, injured person, or yes, a pedestrian, is just around that blind curve. If your choice is deciding who to hit because you can't break fast enough you are going too fast for the conditions.

[Scott8147]

Fred,
Many times stepping off the path is a problem as the footing is not secure. Also at least in the southern part of TV, the paths are definitely wide enough for two carts and a walker. I think the problem is often that the golf cart drivers don't have the ability to judge correctly. At any case, courtesy goes both ways. Maybe if carts were going the correct speed they wouldn't have to "slam on the brakes".

[Polar Bear]

When driving anything, be it golf cart, car, semi truck, horse, bicycle, the safe rule of thumb is to be able to brake to a full stop before you reach as far as you can see...
Words to live by. :)

[fred53]

It is easy to be right (within your rights) and still be horribly injured or dead.

is your point? Your statement applies to life in general...ie: common sense.

[golfing eagles]

I'll add for some hate.

I was going down a path and a woman parked her bike and was sitting half way in the path. I watched many carts (me also) stop and ask her if she was okay. her friend, a guy with a dog, waved everyone on, she was just sitting and petting the dog. This was on a straightaway where most do go 20MPH.

This entitlement was more rude than anything else. She seemed like she didn't want to 'sit' on the grass so she sat in the road.

Now how can anyone see that right? If I was with my pet, looking down, looking at phone, doing 20mph, whatever I am doing (and I am an amazing driver, I didn't hit her and I did ask if she needed help) on a fast path, and then look up... bam, she gets a cart to the head.

That would be bad.

People, you don't wear armor. Just be safe. Please.

So the real question-----Did you ask her if she wanted to accept her Darwin award then and there, or wait for the annual awards ceremony??????

[jimhay]

I see no one has addressed this issue. While I agree the paths are for all villagers, can I please suggest if you are walking at night time PLEASE have some type of reflective clothing on so golf cart drivers see you...hopefully. My husband and I on more than one occassion have met seniors walking at night...after 9:30 with dark clothng on. So please, if you are going to be out walking at night on the paths, WEAR REFLECTIVE CLOTHING.

[CFrance]

So the real question-----Did you ask her if she wanted to accept her Darwin award then and there, or wait for the annual awards ceremony??????
Where are your three laughing gifs? That was downright funny.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[mickey100]

They are called multi modal paths for a reason. They are not golf cart paths, or bicycle paths, or walking paths. We have to learn to share. That said, if you are a walker and are going slower than the other people using the path, move over and let the bicycles and/or golf carts go by. That is just common courtesy. Likewise, golf cart drivers need to be courteous too, and be on the lookout for walkers and don't just assume you can do 25 mph and zoom on by everyone like you're the king of the road. Share. In retrospect The Villages should have designed things a little differently, perhaps more sidewalks for walkers. Expecting carts going 25 mph to share with cyclists going 15 mph, and walkers going 3 or 4 mph is a reach. But that's what we have, so make the best of it.

[golfing eagles]

Where are your three laughing gifs? That was downright funny.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Senior moment. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Taltarzac725]

I'll add for some hate.

I was going down a path and a woman parked her bike and was sitting half way in the path. I watched many carts (me also) stop and ask her if she was okay. her friend, a guy with a dog, waved everyone on, she was just sitting and petting the dog. This was on a straightaway where most do go 20MPH.

This entitlement was more rude than anything else. She seemed like she didn't want to 'sit' on the grass so she sat in the road.

Now how can anyone see that right? If I was with my pet, looking down, looking at phone, doing 20mph, whatever I am doing (and I am an amazing driver, I didn't hit her and I did ask if she needed help) on a fast path, and then look up... bam, she gets a cart to the head.

That would be bad.

People, you don't wear armor. Just be safe. Please.

I doubt if any armor known to man would protect a person standing on a golf cart path if hit by a golf cart going 25 MPH or so.

People may be a little more careful on these paths after reading this thread.

[rexxfan]

For what its worth ...

http://www.districtgov.org/community/SHAREposter.pdf
--
Bob C

[billethkid]

Those who insist that walkers should move out of the way of anything on wheels are not being reasonable. And are most likely not walkers. Can you imagine with all the wheeled vehicles on the MMP how often the walkers would have to "move over".

Like it or not golf carts do not have the right of way on the MMPs....too many are of the mind set that they do.

Somehow, the concept of sharing the MMP is somehow being re-defined by some in golf carts.

At least we are all getting our chance to express our $3.98 (2 cents adjusted for inflation and liiving in TV..:o)

[NoMoSno]

The 441 bridge is one path that should have been built with a walker/bike lane.

[Polar Bear]

Those who insist that walkers should move out of the way of anything on wheels are not being reasonable. And are most likely not walkers. Can you imagine with all the wheeled vehicles on the MMP how often the walkers would have to "move over".

Like it or not golf carts do not have the right of way on the MMPs....too many are of the mind set that they do.

Somehow, the concept of sharing the MMP is somehow being re-defined by some in golf carts.

At least we are all getting our chance to express our $3.98 (2 cents adjusted for inflation and liiving in TV..:o)
I can't disagree with anything you've said. But the infrequent times I walk the paths I move over whenever I feel the slightest need. My primary rule?...self-preservation.

[Barefoot]

Those who insist that walkers should move out of the way of anything on wheels are not being reasonable. And are most likely not walkers. Can you imagine with all the wheeled vehicles on the MMP how often the walkers would have to "move over". :o)

I would never dare to walk my dog on a multi-modal path, even tho that's why the MM path was designed
-- for walkers as well as golf carts.

[gmnirr]

If one should not walk on a mmp then where does one walk ?

[buzzy]

Gee Whiz, the whole MM path concept started when The Villages was small and carts only went 12 MPH. Those days are gone, but it appears that humans have not evolved to meet the current conditions.

[Carla B]

If one should not walk on a mmp then where does one walk ?

The Villages is not a particularly walker-friendly place. (In my opinion).

[Barefoot]

The Villages is not a particularly walker-friendly place. (In my opinion).
I agree. I think that golf carts rule the multi-modal paths.
Walkers need to practice their skills like dodging and jumping sideways.

[golfing eagles]

I would never dare to walk my dog on a multi-modal path, even tho that's why the MM path was designed
-- for walkers as well as golf carts.

But if you wouldn't mind walking your lobster on the MMP I could accept delivery for the bet YOU LOST and crack it open at the same time:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

(and yes, I accept the 5 yard penalty for cross-threading)

[Barefoot]

But if you wouldn't mind walking your lobster on the MMP I could accept delivery for the bet YOU LOST and crack it open at the same time
(and yes, I accept the 5 yard penalty for cross-threading)
There is now a five lobster penalty for cross threading! :icon_hungry:

[Fredman]

Nothing worse than the segway riders going 5mph in a long line sometimes 2 and 3 wide

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I think you missed my point. There are some who implicitly (and incorrectly, I may add) assume that golf carts have more rights on the MMPs than walkers. This erroneous assumption is most likely part of the problem; they don't recognize their responsibilities. This was an opportunity to set forth the facts. I generally prefer not to pontificate over what I think should be but try to focus on what is.

I think my post points out exactly what is as opposed as to what should be. As I stated, walkers have every right to be there, but they are risking their lives walking on those paths.

Should they be in danger? No. Should cart drivers be more careful and slow down? Yes, of course. Are walkers in danger? Yes Will all cart drivers slow down and be more responsible? Most will but some won't.

Add to that the fact that there are blind corners are other dangers to walkers on paths and you have what is as opposed as to what should be.

Again, I was within my rights can be chiseled into your tombstone if you'd like.

[biker1]

Your post actually suggested that "they" should ban walking on the MMPs, quoted below in RED. That is your opinion of "what should be". As I previously stated, I was only taking this as an opportunity to state the facts; namely that the MMPs are there for walkers, golf cart, cyclists, and skaters. What risks people choose to accept in their lives is their concern.

They should call them golf cart paths and ban walking on them or at least state that walkers and runners do so at their own risk.


I think my post points out exactly what is as opposed as to what should be. As I stated, walkers have every right to be there, but they are risking their lives walking on those paths.

Should they be in danger? No. Should cart drivers be more careful and slow down? Yes, of course. Are walkers in danger? Yes Will all cart drivers slow down and be more responsible? Most will but some won't.

Add to that the fact that there are blind corners are other dangers to walkers on paths and you have what is as opposed as to what should be.

Again, I was within my rights can be chiseled into your tombstone if you'd like.

[Polar Bear]

...What risks people choose to accept in their lives is their concern...
There ya go. Imo, that sums up the whole discussion. The MMP is reasonable for all intended uses.

[EPutnam1863]

That may be true, but in my humble opinion, you're taking your life in your hands if you're walking on those paths.

You have elderly people driving 600-800 pound vehicles at 20-25 mph on the paths. Some of them are driving golf carts because their driver's licenses have been taken away. I know of some that are legally blind and can't drive a car so they drive a golf cart.

Many of the paths are barely wide enough for two carts to pass side by side. Om many areas there are blind corners and walkers are not seen until it's very late. And then as the OP has pointed out if it comes down to crashing head first into another golf cart or taking out a pedestrian, what would your choice be. Also many walkers (not all) have this sort of arrogance about how they have as much right as a golf cart so they stand on the path in defiance of the carts. Again, it may be true, they do have the same rights and if it makes the feel better, "I Was Right" can always be written on their tombstone.

I think that The Villages is also at fault and could possibly be liable for someone getting severely injured on one of these paths. They should call them golf cart paths and ban walking on them or at least state that walkers and runners do so at their own risk.

Calling them multi modal paths encourages people to walk and run on them and endangers the lives and safety of the general public.

TV won't put up such warning signs because they don't want to scare away potential buyers. They want them to think TV is a safe and happy place where everyone is courteous to one another.

[EPutnam1863]

The Villages is not a particularly walker-friendly place. (In my opinion).

No, it is not. Why should it be when it is too hot and humid that even the paws of the dogs may burn? The vinyl gloves of the motorcyclists melt.

[Bogie Shooter]

Why all the stone throwing at TV? Oh I forgot....you don't live here.

[graciegirl]

No, it is not. Why should it be when it is too hot and humid that even the paws of the dogs may burn? The vinyl gloves of the motorcyclists melt.

Your age is listed as much younger than those who live in The Villages. Why all this negativity?

We are mostly nice, older people and you live far away, only, in my opinion, joining this forum to support the issues against the LLLC???? Or perhaps I am wrong?

[dietpepsi]

i dont care who u are,,, but u hit a walker, u better have some good insurance,, i walk and yes i take up enough of my portion of the mmp that as u are coming at me as i am facing u walking on the left side, YOU. will have to go into the oncoming lane , No I will not get over or walk in the grass , i have just as much right to be there as you do! I know i sound like one of those butthead cyclists when dealing with cars on the roads! but you hit me as a walker u are in a world of legal trouble! i walk in the left half on my side of the lane, and i am not getting over for you!

[graciegirl]

i dont care who u are,,, but u hit a walker, u better have some good insurance,, i walk and yes i take up enough of my portion of the mmp that as u are coming at me as i am facing u walking on the left side, YOU. will have to go into the oncoming lane , No I will not get over or walk in the grass , i have just as much right to be there as you do! I know i sound like one of those butthead cyclists when dealing with cars on the roads! but you hit me as a walker u are in a world of legal trouble! i walk in the left half on my side of the lane, and i am not getting over for you!

MY GOODNESS. I think most of us try very hard to be careful of everyone we meet on the path. I don't walk on it but I give a huge berth or stop if a walker is anywhere that could be harmed. What is happening to the world??? I will be glad when the quieter times begin at the end of this month.

[VApeople]

i dont care who u are,,, but u hit a walker, u better have some good insurance,, i walk and yes i take up enough of my portion of the mmp that as u are coming at me as i am facing u walking on the left side, YOU. will have to go into the oncoming lane , No I will not get over or walk in the grass , i have just as much right to be there as you do! I know i sound like one of those butthead cyclists when dealing with cars on the roads! but you hit me as a walker u are in a world of legal trouble! i walk in the left half on my side of the lane, and i am not getting over for you!

Pepsi, I think you have a perfect right to do as you are doing. If a cart hits you, you should sue them for as much as you can.

We also walk on the MMP facing traffic but we get off the path if a cart is coming.

[golfing eagles]

i dont care who u are,,, but u hit a walker, u better have some good insurance,, i walk and yes i take up enough of my portion of the mmp that as u are coming at me as i am facing u walking on the left side, YOU. will have to go into the oncoming lane , No I will not get over or walk in the grass , i have just as much right to be there as you do! I know i sound like one of those butthead cyclists when dealing with cars on the roads! but you hit me as a walker u are in a world of legal trouble! i walk in the left half on my side of the lane, and i am not getting over for you!

Please help me clear up my confusion. When YOU exercise YOUR right to walk on the MMPs, you intend to stand YOUR ground, not move for anything, even self preservation, and threaten legal action by yourself (or your estate) if injured. BUT....when cyclists exercise THEIR right to do EXACTLY the same thing on the roads, you call THEM "buttheads". It's a little hard to follow your logic.

Full disclosure: I do not ride a bicycle nor walk on MMPs.

[dietpepsi]

Please help me clear up my confusion. When YOU exercise YOUR right to walk on the MMPs, you intend to stand YOUR ground, not move for anything, even self preservation, and threaten legal action by yourself (or your estate) if injured. BUT....when cyclists exercise THEIR right to do EXACTLY the same thing on the roads, you call THEM "buttheads". It's a little hard to follow your logic.

Full disclosure: I do not ride a bicycle nor walk on MMPs.

great point! i guess i am a butthead walker! oh well!,, i dont get my panties in a wad,,, i just don't wear underwear 🤓🤓

[golfing eagles]

great point! i guess i am a butthead walker! oh well!,, i dont get my panties in a wad,,, i just don't wear underwear ������������

Ah, going commando. Could be a bit embarrassing if you ever do get hit and need medical attention:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Barefoot]

i walk in the left half on my side of the lane, and i am not getting over for you!

If a cart hits you, you should sue them for as much as you can.

Please be very, very careful when walking on the MM paths.
As Dr. Winston O Boogie said, "I was within my rights" can be chiseled into your tombstone.

[Reiver]

It looks to me that (when these laws get passed) all legal users of a shared path have (will have) equal rights.
In other words, don't expect a pedestrian to move over for you.

Regulations.gov (https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=ATBCB-2013-0002-0001)

[graciegirl]

It looks to me that (when these laws get passed) all legal users of a shared path have (will have) equal rights.
In other words, don't expect a pedestrian to move over for you.

Regulations.gov (https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=ATBCB-2013-0002-0001)

Not too many of us grown ups would run into someone who is walking on purpose. However people could be distracted with a bee, a phone call or text or a view. It is wise for walkers to be very careful, they are the most vulnerable.

[Laker14]

Always walk on the LEFT facing traffic SINGLE file - ALWAYS.......

I have found that while walking the MMPs, sometimes the MMPs split, with a median. Often, the side I should walk on, the left side, facing oncoming traffic, will have no room on the right or left of it (being bordered by vegetation very close to the curb) for me to get away from oncoming traffic.

The path that branches off to the right may well have some grass that I can walk on should I hear a cart coming from behind me. I would much rather walk facing traffic, but seeing it coming won't do me any good if I have no place to go.
I like the MMPs, but my head is always on a swivel.

[thelegges]

I have to say walking on the path and standing my ground would not be the way I would want to see who wins. Kind of like stepping into the road at the crosswalk on a green light and seeing if someone's going to stop for me. I value my life just as much as the person driving the golf cart and would never want to put them in jeopardy either.

Walking on the path you need to be pro active, no matter who is right, that cart is bigger than me. To watch someone swerve to miss me and roll their cart, injuring them or maybe taking their life. It would haunt me forever.

[Laker14]

i dont care who u are,,, but u hit a walker, u better have some good insurance,, i walk and yes i take up enough of my portion of the mmp that as u are coming at me as i am facing u walking on the left side, YOU. will have to go into the oncoming lane , No I will not get over or walk in the grass , i have just as much right to be there as you do! I know i sound like one of those butthead cyclists when dealing with cars on the roads! but you hit me as a walker u are in a world of legal trouble! i walk in the left half on my side of the lane, and i am not getting over for you!

well, whoever does hit you probably will have good insurance. And a good lawyer, and after you have been well paid for your injuries, he or she will be teeing it up, and you will be in rehab trying to learn to walk again on your mashed up knees. But you showed them!! Good job!!

[Polar Bear]

i dont care who u are,,, but u hit a walker, u better have some good insurance,, i walk and yes i take up enough of my portion of the mmp that as u are coming at me as i am facing u walking on the left side, YOU. will have to go into the oncoming lane , No I will not get over or walk in the grass , i have just as much right to be there as you do! I know i sound like one of those butthead cyclists when dealing with cars on the roads! but you hit me as a walker u are in a world of legal trouble! i walk in the left half on my side of the lane, and i am not getting over for you!
Good for you!! When you're in the hospital recovering from your injuries, you'll know you were in the right!!! :thumbup: :rolleyes:

[thelegges]

well, whoever does hit you probably will have good insurance. And a good lawyer, and after you have been well paid for your injuries, he or she will be teeing it up, and you will be in rehab trying to learn to walk again on your mashed up knees. But you showed them!! Good job!!

Well said

[wisbad1]

tried to tell them that but when their under the cart they can't hear me,oh well

[ColdNoMore]

tried to tell them that but when their under the cart they can't hear me,oh well

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[biker1]

I suspect you are not a cyclist. I am. The actions of virtually all cyclists are motivated by increasing our visibility to cars and not putting ourselves in positions where we will collide with a car or be driven into the curb by a car. This generally involves moving to the center of a lane at certain times such as when entering a roundabout or on curves on two lane roads. To suggest anything else is just absurd. Unlike you, I will get out of the way of anything or anyone that is likely to collide with me. I have been hit by a car as a pedestrian and I have had a crash on my road bike (hit a curb). Trust me when I say you don't want to be involved in either of those.

i dont care who u are,,, but u hit a walker, u better have some good insurance,, i walk and yes i take up enough of my portion of the mmp that as u are coming at me as i am facing u walking on the left side, YOU. will have to go into the oncoming lane , No I will not get over or walk in the grass , i have just as much right to be there as you do! I know i sound like one of those butthead cyclists when dealing with cars on the roads! but you hit me as a walker u are in a world of legal trouble! i walk in the left half on my side of the lane, and i am not getting over for you!

[Topspinmo]

Were are these rules of the MMP written down? Like two for three people walking abreast taking up 3/4 of the path. When facing traffic (walking the wrong direction) does it say you don't have move off to prevent and accidents? I walk the path all the time, I don't hesitate to GET OFF the path. I value my health over being right. Share also means sharing the responsibility for safety.

[DonH57]

I've told people for a long time, " If you don't like the way I drive, stay off the sidewalk". Simple, right?

[Bogie Shooter]

Were are these rules of the MMP written down? Like two for three people walking abreast taking up 3/4 of the path. When facing traffic (walking the wrong direction) does it say you don't have move off to prevent and accidents? I walk the path all the time, I don't hesitate to GET OFF the path. I value my health over being right. Share also means sharing the responsibility for safety.

Facing traffic, walking in the wrong direction?

[cypress]

I am a very "casual" biker and stick to neighborhoods and have a blast. I go in and out of different areas, spend as little time on a main strip as possible and have a lot of fun. No hassle, no goal, just peddle and stay off the main streets.

[bbbbbb]

[QUOTE=TheDude;1356158]I have no problem with bikes and walkers on the paths (I was going to call them golf car paths but I can be fair).

My problem is this...

There are some turns and hidden areas that a walker may come up on a golf cart. I really do not notice this with bikes.

What gets me is instead of moving out of the way in tight situations, that they stand their ground and wave the cart away from them (and maybe into another cart).

Its like a Jedi mind trick.

Now the problem...

Walkers are not protected and they have to take their safety seriously. If it was me, and it was crashing into a walker or crossing into traffic and hitting multiple people, well, I am sorry.


From bbbbbb
Best to be careful and not get into an accident at any spot, the paths are for walkers, carts and bikes. A lot of dangerous situations are seen every day that I ride my bike. Well we are on land, on the sea, it is the responsibility of any vessel to take any steps possible to avoid an accident. Remember if YOU are walking or biking,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, a cart at 20 mph is moving at 29 FEET PER SECOND! On any path, while biking, I pull over for walkers and carts and other bikes, yep, just do anything to prevent and accident. Just forget right of ways, forget who has the right of way, YOU DO NOT WANT TO SPEND A WEEK IN THE HOSPITAL, NOT GOOD FOLKS.
BE SAFE, ALWAYS.

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[graciegirl]

I was 12 when I wrote to The Columbus Dispatch defending Darwins Theory of Evolution and Survival of the Fittest.. My stepmother was embarrassed.

I was right.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I think you missed my point. There are some who implicitly (and incorrectly, I may add) assume that golf carts have more rights on the MMPs than walkers. This erroneous assumption is most likely part of the problem; they don't recognize their responsibilities. This was an opportunity to set forth the facts. I generally prefer not to pontificate over what I think should be but try to focus on what is.

I didn't miss your point at all. In fact my first sentence agrees that what you said is true. I am simply stating that even though it's true and that walkers have the same rights as golf carts, people walking on the paths are exposing themselves to great danger. They might be right, but they may also be dead right.

[NYGUY]

I am a very "casual" biker and stick to neighborhoods and have a blast. I go in and out of different areas, spend as little time on a main strip as possible and have a lot of fun. No hassle, no goal, just peddle and stay off the main streets.

You are a smart person!!