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Warren Kiefer
02-14-2017, 04:04 PM
What do you readers think about the Republican Senate repealing Obama's gun control order that forbid the severe mentally ill of owning fire arms. Is this nut or what ??? What are these Republicans thinking ??

Taltarzac725
02-14-2017, 05:13 PM
What do you readers think about the Republican Senate repealing Obama's gun control order that forbid the severe mentally ill of owning fire arms. Is this nut or what ??? What are these Republicans thinking ??

Link for this? It would depend a lot on what the law repealed said and how the courts interpreted it. Sounds really stupid though unless there is more to it.

Rockyrd
02-14-2017, 05:27 PM
"Republicans are moving to eliminate a rule instituted by the Obama administration that prevented certain people with mental illnesses from buying guns. As a researcher on firearms policy and mental health, I opposed the rule when it was first established. It wasn't supported by evidence, and it was far too broad. Now, Republicans are unlikely to revisit evidence-based gun control policy any time soon.

Under the rule, Social Security beneficiaries with psychiatric disabilities who are assigned a money manager for their disability benefits would be reported to the FBI's background check database as people ineligible to purchase firearms. House Republicans voted recently to eliminate the rule, and their counterparts in the Senate are expected to follow suit.

Why Obama's gun policy for mentally ill is flawed - Chicago Tribune (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-mentally-ill-gun-buying-ban-20170213-story.html)

Rosie1950
02-14-2017, 07:21 PM
"Republicans are moving to eliminate a rule instituted by the Obama administration that prevented certain people with mental illnesses from buying guns. As a researcher on firearms policy and mental health, I opposed the rule when it was first established. It wasn't supported by evidence, and it was far too broad. Now, Republicans are unlikely to revisit evidence-based gun control policy any time soon.

Under the rule, Social Security beneficiaries with psychiatric disabilities who are assigned a money manager for their disability benefits would be reported to the FBI's background check database as people ineligible to purchase firearms. House Republicans voted recently to eliminate the rule, and their counterparts in the Senate are expected to follow suit.

Why Obama's gun policy for mentally ill is flawed - Chicago Tribune (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-mentally-ill-gun-buying-ban-20170213-story.html)

I don't get it Chump says we are in emanate danger. I think the real danger is all the crazies who own guns. Just what we need more guns.

I'm from Ct. and when Brietbart ( Bannons baby )had headlines that Sandy Hook was not real and was fake news against the NRA I couldn't believe my eyes, these are the crazies making the policies for us to live by. This crazy conspiracy theory writer is shaping national policies.I am glad I no longer have children in schools, the young man who shot up that school had mental issues, and here we go, eliminating regulations.

The young man who shot up Fort Lauderdale Airport had Mental issues, when he left the hospital, THEY GAVE BACK HIS GUNS. Then he flew from Alaska to Florida with nothing but GUNS. NO ONE THOUGHT THIS WAS STRANGE????? Hello Alaska, wearing winter clothes, Florida, needing shorts and tee shirts all he had was GUNS AND AMO! NO QUESTIONS! THEIR JOB IS TO ASK QUESTIONS!!!!!!! BY ALL MEANS DELETE THE REGULATIONS!!!!

If Trump declares no gun free zones I do not know if I would send my kids to school. After all you don't send them to school at your own risk, but evidently we do. Living under Trump rule, is at our own Risk!

cologal
02-14-2017, 11:54 PM
"Republicans are moving to eliminate a rule instituted by the Obama administration that prevented certain people with mental illnesses from buying guns. As a researcher on firearms policy and mental health, I opposed the rule when it was first established. It wasn't supported by evidence, and it was far too broad. Now, Republicans are unlikely to revisit evidence-based gun control policy any time soon.

Under the rule, Social Security beneficiaries with psychiatric disabilities who are assigned a money manager for their disability benefits would be reported to the FBI's background check database as people ineligible to purchase firearms. House Republicans voted recently to eliminate the rule, and their counterparts in the Senate are expected to follow suit.

Why Obama's gun policy for mentally ill is flawed - Chicago Tribune (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-mentally-ill-gun-buying-ban-20170213-story.html)

If they are so mentally ill that they receive Social Security Disability payments and have a manager assigned to them then why would anyone think it was ok to hand them a gun?

Just nuts!!!!!

Taltarzac725
02-15-2017, 08:06 AM
Why Obama's gun policy for mentally ill is flawed - Chicago Tribune (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-mentally-ill-gun-buying-ban-20170213-story.html)

Actually if you read the article these look like valid US Constitutional concerns and some of the bureaucrats making decisions about who is and who is not mentally ill are idiots.

affald
02-15-2017, 09:06 AM
Why Obama's gun policy for mentally ill is flawed - Chicago Tribune (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-mentally-ill-gun-buying-ban-20170213-story.html)

Actually if you read the article these look like valid US Constitutional concerns and some of the bureaucrats making decisions about who is and who is not mentally ill are idiots.

Other times idiots are just idiots. Among many other strict mental illness tests, if they can't hold a job, they should not hold a gun. Don't you agree Tal?

billethkid
02-15-2017, 09:21 AM
Another gun discussion based on politics alone.

If politics were not in the equation there might even be a chance to take some REAL gun death prevention steps.

What is the single most impacting action that could be taken to reduce gun violence?

Banning blacks and hispanics from obtaining, possessing, or being in the same room as a gun.

Not intended to be a racist remark. Just a reasonable conclusion to a logical sylogism....

...but most definitely nothing gets done as it is politically driven.

affald
02-15-2017, 09:40 AM
Another gun discussion based on politics alone.

If politics were not in the equation there might even be a chance to take some REAL gun death prevention steps.

What is the single most impacting action that could be taken to reduce gun violence?

Banning blacks and hispanics from obtaining, possessing, or being in the same room as a gun.

Not intended to be a racist remark. Just a reasonable conclusion to a logical sylogism....

...but most definitely nothing gets done as it is politically driven.
Most of the shootings are in concentrated areas. More law enforcement, (federal, state, local) in those areas, along with more technology and surveillance would take many guns and felons off the streets.

Chigago should spend a couple million to bring Giuliani's consulting team in.

Unfortunately politicans are worried about reelection, not the pain and suffering of their constituents.

Of course, having a country with far too many lawyers could be at the root of the problem.


Even more simply put, more liberals in politics = more carnage in the community.

MDLNB
02-15-2017, 09:55 AM
Most of the shootings are in concentrated areas. More law enforcement, (federal, state, local) in those areas, along with more technology and surveillance would take many guns and felons off the streets.

Chigago should spend a couple million to bring Giuliani's consulting team in.

Unfortunately politicans are worried about reelection, not the pain and suffering of their constituents.

Of course, having a country with far too many lawyers could be at the root of the problem.


Even more simply put, more liberals in politics = more carnage in the community.

:agree:

Don Baldwin
02-15-2017, 10:16 AM
Why Obama's gun policy for mentally ill is flawed - Chicago Tribune (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-mentally-ill-gun-buying-ban-20170213-story.html)

Actually if you read the article these look like valid US Constitutional concerns and some of the bureaucrats making decisions about who is and who is not mentally ill are idiots.

Other times idiots are just idiots. Among many other strict mental illness tests, if they can't hold a job, they should not hold a gun. Don't you agree Tal?

It's a RIGHT...do you want some arbitrary law to one day take away one of your rights? Should "crazy" people have guns? No, that can be taken care of at the SAME hearing on mental competency. Let them decide then and there IF they should have them.

You'd have a problem if "I" suggested NO blacks or Hispanic can have guns because their "race" is so dangerous...and can't be trusted with one.

Another gun discussion based on politics alone.

If politics were not in the equation there might even be a chance to take some REAL gun death prevention steps.

What is the single most impacting action that could be taken to reduce gun violence?

Banning blacks and hispanics from obtaining, possessing, or being in the same room as a gun.

Not intended to be a racist remark. Just a reasonable conclusion to a logical sylogism....

...but most definitely nothing gets done as it is politically driven.

That is EXACTLY correct...take Chicago...how many shooting so far this year? How many perpetrated by blacks/Hispanics? Just about ALL of them.

"The bulk of the deaths and shooting incidents, which jumped from 2,426 in 2015 to 3,550 last year, occurred in only five neighborhoods on the city's South and West sides, all poor and predominantly black areas where gangs are most active."

"Despite making up just 13% of the population, blacks committed half of homicides in the United States for nearly 30 years. DOJ statistics show that between 1980 and 2008, black people committed 52% of homicides. In 2013, black criminals committed 38% of the murders. Whites accounted for just 31 percent.Nov 28, 2015"

Hispanics were counted as white.

Who kills black people...other blacks...almost 90% of blacks killed are killed by another black.

"Among the roughly 6,000 cases in which the race of the victim and the offender were known, the number of blacks killed by blacks rose to 2,380 last year, an increase of about 8 percent from 2014.

However, the share of black-on-black homicides as a proportion of black people killed actually fell by just under 1 percentage point, to 89.3 percent. This undoubtedly fractional decrease – which marked the third straight year of incremental reductions – still meant that for the first time since the start of the 21st century, the percentage of black victims killed by another black person stood below 90 percent of the total of black people killed."

Access Denied (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-29/race-and-homicide-in-america-by-the-numbers)

The link works...us news site.

MDLNB
02-15-2017, 10:28 AM
There should be NO gun control other than breathing and sight alignment. If everyone carried guns then we would have a more polite society. Perhaps the only requirement would be something like a driver's Ed for gun permits, and possibly a gun safety and use test. But, anyone able to pass could have a gun and anyone that did not should wear a sign stating that they were a gun safe zone. Ok, so that takes care of the totally ludicrous argument over gun control.

Next..............

Don Baldwin
02-15-2017, 10:35 AM
There should be NO gun control other than breathing and sight alignment. If everyone carried guns then we would have a more polite society. Perhaps the only requirement would be something like a driver's Ed for gun permits, and possibly a gun safety and use test. But, anyone able to pass could have a gun and anyone that did not should wear a sign stating that they were a gun safe zone. Ok, so that takes care of the totally ludicrous argument over gun control.

Next..............

"Everybody" carries a gun in the inner cities...it's NOT a more polite society.

Why?

They didn't go through the firearm safety course?

Maybe it's something deeper...something BENEATH that black/brown skin...? Perhaps they're not evolutionarily up to it? Incapable of living in a modern society? Lacking the SELF CONTROL needed?