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[Sandtrap328]

The Republicans talked and talked about repealling Obamacare. They had 7 years to come up with a replacement plan. However, where is that plan now? It was all just talk.

If Obamacare is repealed without a new plan to kick in at the same time, you are going to be losing the pre-existing conditions prohibition, the annual free health assessment, and go back to the donut hole of Part D.

The Trumpanzee has been in office less than a month and his administration is now in a scandal with Russia. VP Pence is a clueless trained monkey. Get Speaker Ryan ready to take over!

[Don Baldwin]

The Republicans talked and talked about repealling Obamacare. They had 7 years to come up with a replacement plan. However, where is that plan now? It was all just talk.

If Obamacare is repealed without a new plan to kick in at the same time, you are going to be losing the pre-existing conditions prohibition, the annual free health assessment, and go back to the donut hole of Part D.

The Trumpanzee has been in office less than a month and his administration is now in a scandal with Russia. VP Pence is a clueless trained monkey. Get Speaker Ryan ready to take over!

The "monkey" just left...

[billethkid]

The Republicans talked and talked about repealling Obamacare. They had 7 years to come up with a replacement plan. However, where is that plan now? It was all just talk.

If Obamacare is repealed without a new plan to kick in at the same time, you are going to be losing the pre-existing conditions prohibition, the annual free health assessment, and go back to the donut hole of Part D.

The Trumpanzee has been in office less than a month and his administration is now in a scandal with Russia. VP Pence is a clueless trained monkey. Get Speaker Ryan ready to take over!

It is obvious they have a lot of the x-X-X kool aide left from the Clinton campaign and some have found where they keep it.
The verbiage coming from it's use still sounds the same!

[ColdNoMore]

The Republicans talked and talked about repealling Obamacare. They had 7 years to come up with a replacement plan. However, where is that plan now? It was all just talk.

If Obamacare is repealed without a new plan to kick in at the same time, you are going to be losing the pre-existing conditions prohibition, the annual free health assessment, and go back to the donut hole of Part D.

The Trumpanzee has been in office less than a month and his administration is now in a scandal with Russia. VP Pence is a clueless trained monkey. Get Speaker Ryan ready to take over!

Yep! :D


It's going to be a bummer in one way though...when Chump slinks out.

The daily (almost hourly) chuckles of watching the most clueless POTUS in our entire history and his accompanying clown act going away...will actually be missed. :1rotfl:

But hey, sacrificing one of my guilty pleasures for the good of the country...is the least this patriot can do. :thumbup:


Deepest Sincere Wishes:. :wave:

[rubicon]

Repeal in haste repent in leisure.

If anyone believed that what Trump meant when he said repeal and replace was going to be done in a matter of minutes then s/he simply doesn't understand the complications involved in reversing the damage done by ACA.

Pelosi said "we have to pass it to know what's in it" Obama lied, and we know he lied when he said "you can keep.....
and here we have progressive actually laughing and passing judgment.

Progressives have done everything they can to resist and defame Trump but their strategy is failing.

Progressives belong to the party of hate ironic since they claim their love for inclusiveness.

Personal Best Regards:

[Rosie1950]

They'll be shouted off more stages, and that's by their people, poor Jason now he knows what it feels to be grabbed by the p-ssy and not even be kissed, instead of all this in fighting why don't they just fix what's wrong.

One policy they should be REALY proud of is letting coal mines dump sludge into nearby streams and rivers, who does that benefit? ANSWER: CEOs who already make big the bucks, no regulations for CLEAN WATER. NO FISH will DIE, I'd want to SWIM in that water, or EAT the FISH coming out of the streams and rivers!

WAY TO GO GOP!!!! GOOD JOB CAN'T WAIT FOR MID TERMS!!!!!

[billethkid]

All these Trump forecasts, coming from those who "knew" Trump didn't stand a chance in he11 of winning and spoke with certainty that Clinton was going to win!

[MDLNB]

All these Trump forecasts, coming from those who "knew" Trump didn't stand a chance in he11 of winning and spoke with certainty that Clinton was going to win!


:thumbup:

[ColdNoMore]

All these Trump forecasts, coming from those who "knew" Trump didn't stand a chance in he11 of winning and spoke with certainty that Clinton was going to win!

I readily admit, that I/we vastly underestimated the number of closet racists/bigots/misogynists/ignorant heathens...that would be voting for Chump. :shrug:

However, those of us that knew he was slime from the beginning...are being quickly vindicated. :D

Even we though, couldn't have guessed...how quickly we would be proved correct. :1rotfl:


Deepest Sincere Wishes:. :wave:

[cologal]

It is obvious they have a lot of the x-X-X kool aide left from the Clinton campaign and some have found where they keep it.
The verbiage coming from it's use still sounds the same!

Perhaps you are confused....the Republicans have, for 8 years, being saying they would REPEAL AND REPLACE the Affordable Care Act. After the election they said they would do that day 1 of 2017! Well that didn't happen....why because, after 8 years, the Republicans can't agree on a replacement plan. But now they realize they can't repeal the law without a replacement because so many America's have health insurance because of this law.

Just the facts no spin and certainly no Kool Aide!

[ColdNoMore]

Perhaps you are confused....the Republicans have, for 8 years, being saying they would REPEAL AND REPLACE the Affordable Care Act. After the election they said they would do that day 1 of 2017! Well that didn't happen....why because, after 8 years, the Republicans can't agree on a replacement plan. But now they realize they can't repeal the law without a replacement because so many America's have health insurance because of this law.

Just the facts no spin and certainly no Kool Aide!

Shhh, you're making the hypocritical idiots... feel bad. :D

[MDLNB]

I readily admit, that I/we vastly underestimated the number of closet racists/bigots/misogynists/ignorant heathens...that would be voting for Chump. :shrug:

However, those of us that knew he was slime from the beginning...are being quickly vindicated. :D

Even we though, couldn't have guessed...how quickly we would be proved correct. :1rotfl:


Deepest Sincere Wishes:. :wave:


And yet the prime examples of your listed labels are Democrats. You really shouldn't throw stones from your weak position. I don't need to list all the deviants on the left. You know them. What a 'tard!

[Sandtrap328]

And yet the prime examples of your listed labels are Democrats. You really shouldn't throw stones from your weak position. I don't need to list all the deviants on the left. You know them. What a 'tard!

MDLBQ, just take a deep breath and realize that liberals are inclusive and would even accept you as a convert.

Trump is on a different wave length than his administration. He today praised Flynn. Yesterday, Spicer said Trump had lost trust in Flynn. Trump definitely has mental issues that run from paranoid to delusional.

Come to the light, MDLBQ. You are welcome as long as you repent and renounce your idiot leader.

[MDLNB]

MDLBQ, just take a deep breath and realize that liberals are inclusive and would even accept you as a convert.

Trump is on a different wave length than his administration. He today praised Flynn. Yesterday, Spicer said Trump had lost trust in Flynn. Trump definitely has mental issues that run from paranoid to delusional.

Come to the light, MDLBQ. You are welcome as long as you repent and renounce your idiot leader.

Sandy, you are pretty funny....really.

I AM a convert. I was a Democrat when I turned 18 and then converted shortly after. My Dad was a REAL Democrat from the old DemocratIC party. Before it went socialist. My dad would turn over in his grave to see what it is today. I was a Democrat in my first election, but ended up voting for more Republicans than Democrats so I converted. Now, I ONLY vote for Republicans or Independents. Once you start working for a living, it's a pretty easy choice.

[cologal]

And yet the prime examples of your listed labels are Democrats. You really shouldn't throw stones from your weak position. I don't need to list all the deviants on the left. You know them. What a 'tard!

So give us some CURRENT DAY examples!

And don't bother with the laughable Obama is a racist!

I'll give you a low bar....2-3. Include examples of their racist behavior!

[Paper1]

To the Trump supporters whom really believed Obamacare was going to be replaced with something better and cheaper, those two descriptors don't go together. It is going to be Medicare for all or it is going to be rationing according to income. Americans are addicted to government spending and our congress hasn't had the courage to stop it. I personally believe the protests and rioting are just starting and will escalate with any spending reduction by Feds.

[cologal]

Sandy, you are pretty funny....really.

I AM a convert. I was a Democrat when I turned 18 and then converted shortly after. My Dad was a REAL Democrat from the old DemocratIC party. Before it went socialist. My dad would turn over in his grave to see what it is today. I was a Democrat in my first election, but ended up voting for more Republicans than Democrats so I converted. Now, I ONLY vote for Republicans or Independents. Once you start working for a living, it's a pretty easy choice.

I worked all my life for a living and I vote for the best or in some cases the least worst candidate. I consider myself a Kennedy Democrat as that is when I was introduced to politics. I have voted for Republicans including Ronnie.

Not sure why you would claim the party is socialist....

[Rosie1950]

I wonder if he servers fries with his assBURGERS! LOL seriously something is wrong with the Chimp. If he were still in the jungle he would be dead! I don't know who brought him here?

[cologal]

I wonder if he servers fries with his assBURGERS! LOL seriously something is wrong with the Chimp. If he were still in the jungle he would be dead! I don't know who brought him here?

You wouldn't be calling the former President of the United States a chimp now would you? And certainly you still don't believe Trump's lie that he was born in Kenya.

Cause if you did mean that we would have a first, wait second racist outed on Talk of the Villages!

[MDLNB]

So give us some CURRENT DAY examples!

And don't bother with the laughable Obama is a racist!

I'll give you a low bar....2-3. Include examples of their racist behavior!

Hillary Clinton
Bill Clinton
Obama family
PeLugosi
Reid
Grayson
Schumer
Biden

According to your definition, all of them are racists. The list is pretty long if continued. According to the left, everyone is a racist that does not agree with them.

[Don Baldwin]

You wouldn't be calling the former President of the United States a chimp now would you? And certainly you still don't believe Trump's lie that he was born in Kenya.

Cause if you did mean that we would have a first, wait second racist outed on Talk of the Villages!

You say that like it's a bad thing.

It's the only RATIONAL position to hold. I've yet to hear anyone really refure anything I've said. You THINK you are with opinion, but you have NO facts. No black villages, no black best school... THEY are becoming the majority...a VERY scary thought.

[cologal]

Hillary Clinton
Bill Clinton
Obama family
PeLugosi
Reid
Grayson
Schumer
Biden

According to your definition, all of them are racists. The list is pretty long if continued. According to the left, everyone is a racist that does not agree with them.

Not by any definition of the word....its laughable!

[cologal]

You say that like it's a bad thing.

It's the only RATIONAL position to hold. I've yet to hear anyone really refure anything I've said. You THINK you are with opinion, but you have NO facts. No black villages, no black best school... THEY are becoming the majority...a VERY scary thought.

Calling any human being a CHIMP? You think that is OK?

Not sure what you are ranting about black villages....

[Don Baldwin]

Calling any human being a CHIMP? You think that is OK?

Not sure what you are ranting about black villages....

Who called a "human" a chimp? They called a "chimp" a chimp...they're not us...the proof is all around.

There is NO "black villages". There is no place full of blacks even CLOSE to the villages. It was to make a point that NOWHERE are they successful...like us.

[graciegirl]

The Republicans talked and talked about repealling Obamacare. They had 7 years to come up with a replacement plan. However, where is that plan now? It was all just talk.

If Obamacare is repealed without a new plan to kick in at the same time, you are going to be losing the pre-existing conditions prohibition, the annual free health assessment, and go back to the donut hole of Part D.

The Trumpanzee has been in office less than a month and his administration is now in a scandal with Russia. VP Pence is a clueless trained monkey. Get Speaker Ryan ready to take over!

It wouldn't matter to you if the "Republicans" did everything just right and even in agreement with your so called beliefs. You just want to fight. OPEN YOUR MIND. Have some patience. Stop with the silly name.

The scandal that you speak of is manufactured by the biased press it seems to me. I see no wrong doing. Russia isn't the same Communist country it was when we were growing up.

The last thing most of us want is to have Speaker Ryan, the "old style very conservative Republican" in control We assuredly don't need all the foolish extreme left either.

[cologal]

Who called a "human" a chimp? They called a "chimp" a chimp...they're not us...the proof is all around.

There is NO "black villages". There is no place full of blacks even CLOSE to the villages. It was to make a point that NOWHERE are they successful...like us.

Check the previous posts for the Chimp comment....

I think you would agree the all humans tend to seek the company of like minded others. I came here for the sun and GOLF. If you play golf, how many black golfers have you seen on golf courses? Its like the recent Grammy's Adele vs Beyonce both are excellent singers but I prefer Adele.

There are African Americans here in TV and I have played golf with some of them.

However, if you look at other sports whites are in the minority....does that mean we are not successful? Hardly?

To help with this:

Who get Medicaid
Distribution of the Nonelderly with Medicaid by Race/Ethnicity | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation (http://kff.org/medicaid/state-indicator/distribution-by-raceethnicity-4/?currentTimeframe=0)

Check out Florida

And now the stats on welfare

Welfare Statistics and Demographics – Statistic Brain (http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/)

Look at the stat for people receiving welfare for more than 5 years.

All I am trying to say is I have learned, overtime, it is never good to paint anything with a broad brush.

Now before you broadside me as a liberal.... I don't think non disabled people should be on welfare for life!

[dirtbanker]

Now before you broadside me as a liberal.... I don't think non disabled people should be on welfare for life!

How long do you think non disabled people should be on welfare??



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[cologal]

It wouldn't matter to you if the "Republicans" did everything just right and even in agreement with your so called beliefs. You just want to fight. OPEN YOUR MIND. Have some patience. Stop with the silly name.

The scandal that you speak of is manufactured by the biased press it seems to me. I see no wrong doing. Russia isn't the same Communist country it was when we were growing up.

The last thing most of us want is to have Speaker Ryan, the "old style very conservative Republican" in control We assuredly don't need all the foolish extreme left either.

You want us to open our minds and yet your mind is closed.
You firmly believe you can't trust the press. In this case that claim just doesn't work.
Gen. Flynn contacted the Russians before the election, thats a fact. But thats NOT the problem Gen. Flynn then LIED to the Vice President about his activities. Because he LIED to the VP he could no longer be trusted! Here is President Trump's Press Secretary explaining why the President ASKED Gen. Flynn to resign.

Sean Spicer Press Conference over Michael Flynn Resigns as National Security Adviser, 2/14/17 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5W_g3GZWSQ)


You ask us for patience from us and I ask you how much patience did you give to President Obama? In fact how much patience did President Trump give Obama. He started the birther movement.

[cologal]

How long do you think non disabled people should be on welfare??



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I guess that would depend on why they needed welfare.

[Don Baldwin]

Check the previous posts for the Chimp comment....

I think you would agree the all humans tend to seek the company of like minded others. I came here for the sun and GOLF. If you play golf, how many black golfers have you seen on golf courses? Its like the recent Grammy's Adele vs Beyonce both are excellent singers but I prefer Adele.

There are African Americans here in TV and I have played golf with some of them.

However, if you look at other sports whites are in the minority....does that mean we are not successful? Hardly?

To help with this:

Who get Medicaid
Distribution of the Nonelderly with Medicaid by Race/Ethnicity | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation (http://kff.org/medicaid/state-indicator/distribution-by-raceethnicity-4/?currentTimeframe=0)

Check out Florida

And now the stats on welfare

Welfare Statistics and Demographics – Statistic Brain (http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/)

Look at the stat for people receiving welfare for more than 5 years.

All I am trying to say is I have learned, overtime, it is never good to paint anything with a broad brush.

Now before you broadside me as a liberal.... I don't think non disabled people should be on welfare for life!

People naturally, children naturally, divide up into racial...species...groups. Yes...like, likes to be with like. The races don't belong together. They don't get along together. Diversity causes tension and destroys everywhere it is tried. They are not us.

Yes...unfortunately...there are a few here...snuck in through the back door I guess...encourage them to leave...NOT bring more here. Do you want the villages to become just another city? Or do you like it the way it is? It's the way it is BECAUSE it is 99% white. Show me ANYWHERE that is mosty black that is anything near what the villages is. They are NOT us.

It means we're NOT AS SUCCESSFUL at that particular sport. Compared to blacks, we suck at basketball and football. But we're better at other sports.

We're ALSO better at THOUSANDS...millions...of other things.

YES...lets take a look at welfare...from YOUR statistics:

"Percent of welfare recipients who are white / caucasian 16.8 % 11,405,000 total

Percent of welfare recipients who are black 39.6 % 26,884,000 total

Percent of welfare recipients who are Hispanic 21.2 % 14,392,000 total"

Almost half of blacks are on welfare...minorities combined are almost 85% of welfare.

I'm just broadsiding you for being wrong. Blacks proportionally receive welfare MUCH higher than whites...almost 3 to 1.

Go into ANY welfare office...it's filled with minorities...black/Hispanic women minorities...with a sprinkling of white girls with black babies.

NOBODY non-disabled should be on welfare...period. If we kicked out the Hispanics, we could get everyone off welfare by giving them all the jobs the Hispanics took from them. Business would rather hire an illegal Hispanic than hire a black...what does that say about them?

[dillywho]

Perhaps you are confused....the Republicans have, for 8 years, being saying they would REPEAL AND REPLACE the Affordable Care Act. After the election they said they would do that day 1 of 2017! Well that didn't happen....why because, after 8 years, the Republicans can't agree on a replacement plan. But now they realize they can't repeal the law without a replacement because so many America's have health insurance because of this law.

Just the facts no spin and certainly no Kool Aide!

And look at the millions who no longer have insurance because now THEY can no longer afford to buy insurance because they are being forced to pay for those who never did, some simply by choice. What about all the people forced to several part-time jobs because employers cannot meet the mandates for insuring employees?

Do you listen to anything or are you just like Pelosi....if they are for it, then we will be against it? The head of the committee working on this the other day (yes, I watched what he was saying) said that they are fervently working on the new plan and are NOT pulling the rug out from anyone currently on insurance. They are also no longer going to penalize those who can no longer afford to pay the outrageous premiums and deductibles, either. The new plan is to cover those with pre-existing conditions, insure kids living at home to a certain age as is set forth now, make plans transportable across state lines, and other details they are still looking at.

Sounds pretty positive to me. At least there are no plans to 'kick anyone to the curb' and even some of those already on the curb because of this un-Affordable mess will have their suffering lessened.

[dillywho]

You want us to open our minds and yet your mind is closed.
You firmly believe you can't trust the press. In this case that claim just doesn't work.
Gen. Flynn contacted the Russians before the election, thats a fact. But thats NOT the problem Gen. Flynn then LIED to the Vice President about his activities. Because he LIED to the VP he could no longer be trusted! Here is President Trump's Press Secretary explaining why the President ASKED Gen. Flynn to resign.

Sean Spicer Press Conference over Michael Flynn Resigns as National Security Adviser, 2/14/17 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5W_g3GZWSQ)

You ask us for patience from us and I ask you how much patience did you give to President Obama? In fact how much patience did President Trump give Obama. He started the birther movement.

Hillary brought that up the last election when she was running against Obama.

[dirtbanker]

I guess that would depend on why they needed welfare.

Can you give a worst case scenario and a best case scenario, from your perspective of course...

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[Sandtrap328]

And look at the millions who no longer have insurance because now THEY can no longer afford to buy insurance because they are being forced to pay for those who never did, some simply by choice. What about all the people forced to several part-time jobs because employers cannot meet the mandates for insuring employees?

Do you listen to anything or are you just like Pelosi....if they are for it, then we will be against it? The head of the committee working on this the other day (yes, I watched what he was saying) said that they are fervently working on the new plan and are NOT pulling the rug out from anyone currently on insurance. They are also no longer going to penalize those who can no longer afford to pay the outrageous premiums and deductibles, either. The new plan is to cover those with pre-existing conditions, insure kids living at home to a certain age as is set forth now, make plans transportable across state lines, and other details they are still looking at.

Sounds pretty positive to me. At least there are no plans to 'kick anyone to the curb' and even some of those already on the curb because of this un-Affordable mess will have their suffering lessened.


However, the Republicans still have NO plan to be set up as soon as Obamacare gets replaced.

[billethkid]

However, the Republicans still have NO plan to be set up as soon as Obamacare gets replaced.

Should we assume you are not aware of the Rand Paul proposal?

Ready to go!

Why isn't it going then?

Because the establishment both R & D are haggling over fly specs in the pepper as usual.

[cologal]

People naturally, children naturally, divide up into racial...species...groups. Yes...like, likes to be with like. The races don't belong together. They don't get along together. Diversity causes tension and destroys everywhere it is tried. They are not us.

Yes...unfortunately...there are a few here...snuck in through the back door I guess...encourage them to leave...NOT bring more here. Do you want the villages to become just another city? Or do you like it the way it is? It's the way it is BECAUSE it is 99% white. Show me ANYWHERE that is mosty black that is anything near what the villages is. They are NOT us.

It means we're NOT AS SUCCESSFUL at that particular sport. Compared to blacks, we suck at basketball and football. But we're better at other sports.

We're ALSO better at THOUSANDS...millions...of other things.

YES...lets take a look at welfare...from YOUR statistics:

"Percent of welfare recipients who are white / caucasian 16.8 % 11,405,000 total

Percent of welfare recipients who are black 39.6 % 26,884,000 total

Percent of welfare recipients who are Hispanic 21.2 % 14,392,000 total"

Almost half of blacks are on welfare...minorities combined are almost 85% of welfare.

I'm just broadsiding you for being wrong. Blacks proportionally receive welfare MUCH higher than whites...almost 3 to 1.

Go into ANY welfare office...it's filled with minorities...black/Hispanic women minorities...with a sprinkling of white girls with black babies.

NOBODY non-disabled should be on welfare...period. If we kicked out the Hispanics, we could get everyone off welfare by giving them all the jobs the Hispanics took from them. Business would rather hire an illegal Hispanic than hire a black...what does that say about them?

At least I provided statistics...fact based statistics. Obviously you didn't look at the following posts where we discussed there should be a limited!

So why do I think we should continue the welfare program?

Because there but my family would have been my sister. She married a Air Force cadet they had 4 children, when she was pregnant with the 4th child he had an affair. In when my sister was in labor he went to she the mistress. Sweetheart of a guy. I could go on...

When she filed for a separation he immediately retired from the Air Force trying to limit keep her from getting amy of his retirement. She made the 20 year rule by 1 day! She paid her half the the mortgage...he didn't they foreclosed. The family stepped in and helped.

This type of thing happens to women all the time. She had four kids and I forgot he didn't want her to work so no job experience. She worked 3 jobs until her kids were through school and the family provided college money!

What about people who are hurt and don't have disability insurance. They might need help for a while.

But that being said my eyes were opened by 2 things this summer the first was a customer telling me about one of her friends that hadn't worked for more than 15 years. She had a section 8 house with cable tv and the smart phone.

Then I read a book "Hillbilly Elegy" written by a right leaning author who grew up in the RUST BELT and what is happening there now. He talks about people NOT wanting to work because they can get enough from welfare without working. If that is the case welfare has to be reformed!!!

[cologal]

Hillary brought that up the last election when she was running against Obama.

That is just Right Wing BS....Trump started the Birther Movement...

[cologal]

Can you give a worst case scenario and a best case scenario, from your perspective of course...

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I did leave a post about what happened to my sister and her 4 children. She never when on welfare but she had a close knit family. So women with children whose husbands leave them with little support require time to be trained. As do people laid off due to automation or job loss.
But even those things need to have a limit so day 3-5 years

Best case is a 1-2 who lose a job but have a skill and can find another job.

[dillywho]

That is just Right Wing BS....Trump started the Birther Movement...

Ever hear of Google or FactCheck.org. Check 'em out. Hillary brought it up in 2008, first claiming that he was born in Indonesia. There's plenty on YouTube as well.

[Rockyrd]

Amazing what people will believe when they want to believe.

Facts are strange things....they are facts.

Trump has lied so much, so loudly that even he begins, in his alternate universe to believe it.

E"Trump said, "Hillary Clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy."

There is no evidence to support this. Clinton supporters circulated the rumor in the last days of the 2008 Democratic primary and after Clinton had conceded to Obama. But the record does not show Clinton or her campaign ever promoting the birther theory, let alone starting it.

We rate Trump’s claim False."


Fact-checking Donald Trump's claim Hillary Clinton started Obama birther movement | PolitiFact (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/sep/16/donald-trump/fact-checking-donald-trumps-claim-hillary-clinton-/)


"After years of denying the legitimacy of Barack Obama’s presidency, it was only in the midst of his own presidential campaign that Donald Trump began falsely claiming Hillary Clinton was the true progenitor of the “birther” conspiracy theory claiming Obama was not born in the United States.

But that’s swapping one discredited claim for another. Numerous fact checks, reports and interviews — in 2008 and 2011, when Trump revived the controversy — revealed that although some Clinton supporters circulated rumors about Obama’s citizenship, the campaign and Clinton herself never trafficked in it.

No, Clinton didn't start the birther thing. This guy did. - POLITICO (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/birther-movement-founder-trump-clinton-228304)


"The conspiracy theory was already fully formed at this point. Clearly, the Clinton supporters accused of spreading it via forwarded e-mails knew “good ammo” when they saw it, but, as the above posts show, they deserve neither credit nor blame for the invention of birtherism. "

Did Clinton Supporters Start the 'Birther' Movement? (http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-started-birther-movement/)

[Don Baldwin]

Amazing what people will believe when they want to believe.

Facts are strange things....they are facts.

Trump has lied so much, so loudly that even he begins, in his alternate universe to believe it.

E"Trump said, "Hillary Clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy."

There is no evidence to support this. Clinton supporters circulated the rumor in the last days of the 2008 Democratic primary and after Clinton had conceded to Obama. But the record does not show Clinton or her campaign ever promoting the birther theory, let alone starting it.

We rate Trump’s claim False."


Fact-checking Donald Trump's claim Hillary Clinton started Obama birther movement | PolitiFact (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/sep/16/donald-trump/fact-checking-donald-trumps-claim-hillary-clinton-/)


"After years of denying the legitimacy of Barack Obama’s presidency, it was only in the midst of his own presidential campaign that Donald Trump began falsely claiming Hillary Clinton was the true progenitor of the “birther” conspiracy theory claiming Obama was not born in the United States.

But that’s swapping one discredited claim for another. Numerous fact checks, reports and interviews — in 2008 and 2011, when Trump revived the controversy — revealed that although some Clinton supporters circulated rumors about Obama’s citizenship, the campaign and Clinton herself never trafficked in it.

No, Clinton didn't start the birther thing. This guy did. - POLITICO (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/birther-movement-founder-trump-clinton-228304)


"The conspiracy theory was already fully formed at this point. Clearly, the Clinton supporters accused of spreading it via forwarded e-mails knew “good ammo” when they saw it, but, as the above posts show, they deserve neither credit nor blame for the invention of birtherism. "

Did Clinton Supporters Start the 'Birther' Movement? (http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-started-birther-movement/)

It IS amazing what people will believe...

Facts? What facts do YOU have about ANY of thisd crap you're talking about? Were you standing there and watched it happen? BOTH sides lie...a LOT. Turn off the damn TV and forget about politics.

Worry about the future you're leaving your granddaughters...a 3rd world hell. The colored boys are gonna love her...

[cologal]

READ EM AND WEEP:

Donald Trump’s birther tweets, in order. (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/09/16/donald_trump_s_birther_tweets_in_order.html)

[cologal]

[QUOTE=Guest]

Worry about the future you're leaving your granddaughters...a 3rd world hell. The colored boys are gonna love her...[/QUEUE]

Another RACIST statement, the hits just keep coming!!!!!

[Don Baldwin]

[QUOTE=Guest]

Worry about the future you're leaving your granddaughters...a 3rd world hell. The colored boys are gonna love her...[/QUEUE]

Another RACIST statement, the hits just keep coming!!!!!

The TRUTHS just keep coming...

Tell me...what happens to schools that become a majority minority? A majority black, majority Hispanic?

Go ahead...tell me...in your own words...

Does it get better? Does it get safer? Do the standards go up or down? Do sexual assaults go up or down?

I think you KNOW what happens to a "diversified" school...the same thing that happens to a diversified neighborhood, town, city...it turns into a pile of violent sh!t. MLK Blvd is America's future...

[affald]

The Colorado weed is mighty potent. Makes liberals out of ordinary people.

[cologal]

The Colorado weed is mighty potent. Makes liberals out of ordinary people.

Getting tired of that one! I personally never smoked pot!

Why is that you guys throw the liberal word at everyone. i am a PROUD DEMOCRAT! but I am more in the mold of my late uncle the longest serving Senator in the history of Virginia. He worked across the aisle, noted for that, and stood up to the Democrats on the Abortion issue.

I came to Politics in 1960 when my father took me to a Democratic Committee meeting, I was 10 and the first Irish Catholic was running for President. So you could think of me as a Kennedy Democrat.

I am hard RIGHT on immigration coming from the West. More MODERATE on Welfare.

[affald]

Getting tired of that one! I personally never smoked pot!

Why is that you guys throw the liberal word at everyone. i am a PROUD DEMOCRAT! but I am more in the mold of my late uncle the longest serving Senator in the history of Virginia. He worked across the aisle, noted for that, and stood up to the Democrats on the Abortion issue.

I came to Politics in 1960 when my father took me to a Democratic Committee meeting, I was 10 and the first Irish Catholic was running for President. So you could think of me as a Kennedy Democrat.

I am hard RIGHT on immigration coming from the West. More MODERATE on Welfare.
Then you should love Trump

[dave harris]

Repeal in haste repent in leisure.

If anyone believed that what Trump meant when he said repeal and replace was going to be done in a matter of minutes then s/he simply doesn't understand the complications involved in reversing the damage done by ACA.

Pelosi said "we have to pass it to know what's in it" Obama lied, and we know he lied when he said "you can keep.....
and here we have progressive actually laughing and passing judgment.

Progressives have done everything they can to resist and defame Trump but their strategy is failing.

Progressives belong to the party of hate ironic since they claim their love for inclusiveness.

Personal Best Regards:

Were you the one who put a long post about not calling names and using the hate word?

[dave harris]

[QUOTE=Guest]

The TRUTHS just keep coming...

Tell me...what happens to schools that become a majority minority? A majority black, majority Hispanic?

Go ahead...tell me...in your own words...

Does it get better? Does it get safer? Do the standards go up or down? Do sexual assaults go up or down?

I think you KNOW what happens to a "diversified" school...the same thing that happens to a diversified neighborhood, town, city...it turns into a pile of violent sh!t. MLK Blvd is America's future...

Why do you think it happened that way? I'll answer it for you because your in denial. Racism. People like you.

[Don Baldwin]

[QUOTE=Guest]

Why do you think it happened that way? I'll answer it for you because your in denial. Racism. People like you.

Racism MAKES blacks inferior?

I think YOU have it backwards.

Places are nice BEFORE they show up. Places are SAFE before they show up. Places are CLEAN before they show up. We WERE #1 before they got quotas.

The common denominator for a sh!tty place is...they show up. The common denominator for a nice place is...it's full of white people, NO minorities.

Are there ANY times/places that that isn't true?

[Sandtrap328]

[QUOTE=Guest]

Racism MAKES blacks inferior?

I think YOU have it backwards.

Places are nice BEFORE they show up. Places are SAFE before they show up. Places are CLEAN before they show up. We WERE #1 before they got quotas.

The common denominator for a sh!tty place is...they show up. The common denominator for a nice place is...it's full of white people, NO minorities.

Are there ANY times/places that that isn't true?

No, Don Baldwin. It is YOU that is INFERIOR. Just remember that.

[Don Baldwin]

[QUOTE=Guest]

No, Don Baldwin. It is YOU that is INFERIOR. Just remember that.

Prove it Sandy...prove they are our equal...in WHAT are they equal? What do they improve? They ARE another species and to be "just", we've decided to undertake an insane program of "mainstreaming" them into white culture/society. It hasn't worked.

Where is the black equivalent to the villages? Harvard or Yale? Western Civilization? WHY are they ALWAYS found on the LOWEST rung of ANY country? Why does EVERY black neighborhood look the same? Like Somalia or Haiti? Why do ALL our standards HAVE to be lowered to the ground and they STILL need quotas?

They are another species, lacking the Neanderthal hybridization EVERY other race got. WHY do you think they look SO MUCH DIFFERENT? Why do you think their anatomy AND physiology are DIFFERENT than ours? Because THEY are NOT us. They're the "missing link" between man and chimps. They're really smart chimps that can talk...or...really stupid people who can barely speak.

Here...go read...

Human BioDiversity (http://humanbiologicaldiversity.com/)

[ColdNoMore]

No, Don Baldwin. It is YOU that is INFERIOR. Just remember that.

Yep. :thumbup:


He's nothing but a one trick pony of...Racism/Bigotry/Misogyny. :wave:

[dirtbanker]

Amazing what people will believe when they want to believe.

Facts are strange things...

Please explain how you believing what you want to believe is correct, but if it is someone else = they are amazing.

Facts are definitely strange from you...sometimes they are inaccurate, but you don't acknowledge that...



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[Don Baldwin]

[QUOTE=Guest]

Yep. :thumbup:


He's nothing but a one trick pony of...Racism/Bigotry/Misogyny. :wave:

Says another woman who has nothing to defend herself with but hurling insults.

Yes...I'm a racist/bigot/misogynist...we've been here before. I am for REASON...you are NOT "our" equal. You have yet to show you are.

Take my foot off your neck...stand up and defend your gender. I'd say your race but I can tell by your writing your not a minority. What exactly ARE you equal to white men at? What exactly ARE you better at than ANY white man? I've been waiting and waiting...you're still there...under my boot...you're not even squirming any more. Just laying there...limp...like you already gave up. So why not give up the insane equality crap? You lost, it didn't work...anywhere. Bow down, admit defeat, let the white men take over again. And make me a sandwich...

[dirtbanker]

I did leave a post about what happened to my sister and her 4 children. She never when on welfare but she had a close knit family. So women with children whose husbands leave them with little support require time to be trained. As do people laid off due to automation or job loss.
But even those things need to have a limit so day 3-5 years

Best case is a 1-2 who lose a job but have a skill and can find another job.

So a woman that is not from a tight knit family, and shares your sisters inability to judge men, should cost me taxes for 3-5 years?

And a person that loses their printing job (that industry is dying...) and is holding out for another printing job, should cost me taxes for 1-2 years? How about the guy who lost his job because he was looking at porn on company time, and is having a hard time finding another job as a girls volleyball coach...should he get a 1-2 year vacation watching porn at his home and I have to pay taxes for him??

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[Don Baldwin]

So a women that is not from a tight knit family and shares your sisters inability to judge men should cost me taxes for 3-5 years?

And a person that loses their printing job (that industry is dying...) and is holding out for another printing job should cost me taxes for 1-2 years? How about the guy who lost his job because he was looking at porn on company time and is having a hard time finding another job as a girls volleyball coach, should he get a 1-2 year vacation watching porn at his home and I have to pay taxes for him??

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No you shouldn't...

And we also shouldn't have to support an entire "race" who have NEVER amounted to ANYTHING on the entire planet. But then...dogs and cats never created a viable civilization either. We're all different species. They're not us.

[dirtbanker]

So a woman that is not from a tight knit family, and shares your sisters inability to judge men, should cost me taxes for 3-5 years?

And a person that loses their printing job (that industry is dying...) and is holding out for another printing job, should cost me taxes for 1-2 years? How about the guy who lost his job because he was looking at porn on company time, and is having a hard time finding another job as a girls volleyball coach...should he get a 1-2 year vacation watching porn at his home and I have to pay taxes for him??

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Bump for "Colorado puff"

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[larbud]

I don't know if this question has been asked yet but supposing the villages were an all black community, Would any of you snowflakes want to live there?
assumptiveness, The ability to put aside all reason and pretend to be an all knowing deity. Yes it's My creation and couldn't have come along soon enough.

[cologal]

So a woman that is not from a tight knit family, and shares your sisters inability to judge men, should cost me taxes for 3-5 years?

And a person that loses their printing job (that industry is dying...) and is holding out for another printing job, should cost me taxes for 1-2 years? How about the guy who lost his job because he was looking at porn on company time, and is having a hard time finding another job as a girls volleyball coach...should he get a 1-2 year vacation watching porn at his home and I have to pay taxes for him??

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You have got to be kidding me! I share a personal story about how my family kept my sister off the rolls and all you can say is an insult about her choice in men, she was married for more than 20 years to that idiot, and to say that somehow my post indicates you should have to pay for welfare. Please show me where I said that?

And the porn thing is just way out of line!

[Don Baldwin]

I don't know if this question has been asked yet but supposing the villages were an all black community, Would any of you snowflakes want to live there?
assumptiveness, The ability to put aside all reason and pretend to be an all knowing deity. Yes it's My creation and couldn't have come along soon enough.

Lets have a show of hands...all the people who would want their daughter or granddaughters living in a 99% black place...an apartment on MLK Blvd.

The most dangerous cities in America ALL have high black populations.

The most dangerous cities in America (http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2016/10/01/most-dangerous-cities-america/91227778/)

You have got to be kidding me! I share a personal story about how my family kept my sister off the rolls and all you can say is an insult about her choice in men, she was married for more than 20 years to that idiot, and to say that somehow my post indicates you should have to pay for welfare. Please show me where I said that?

And the porn thing is just way out of line!

You just admitted he was RIGHT to question her choice in men...YOU called HIM an idiot...is her choosing an "idiot" to marry, a "good" choice? No? Then he's was correct to question HER judgment. WHY are the women ALWAYS seen as the victim?

[cologal]

Lets have a show of hands...all the people who would want their daughter or granddaughters living in a 99% black place...an apartment on MLK Blvd.

The most dangerous cities in America ALL have high black populations.

The most dangerous cities in America (http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2016/10/01/most-dangerous-cities-america/91227778/)



You just admitted he was RIGHT to question her choice in men...YOU called HIM an idiot...is her choosing an "idiot" to marry, a "good" choice? No? Then he's was correct to question HER judgment. WHY are the women ALWAYS seen as the victim?

Mr Baldwin....I find your constant racist posts disgusting.

[Rockyrd]

Mr Baldwin....I find your constant racist posts disgusting.

iT IS DISGUSTING.

What is alarming is those who attack one poster because he does not follow or agree with their political philosophy.

Folks on here supporting the coordinated attack on this person, such as Rubicon and a number of others simply validate their support for this kind of talk. Note who they NEVER criticize and who violates not only rules of TOTV but rules of common decency..

These posters escape their hypocritical critique.

They find this racial trash, and referring to women using disgusting terms to be much more acceptable than someone who objects to the alt right extremism.

It is very sad.

[Don Baldwin]

Mr Baldwin....I find your constant racist posts disgusting.

Well why don't you show us all how wrong I am...think you're up to it?

All I do is ask the question...WHERE are all these great things that blacks do? Where are they ACTUALLY our equal? ONE THING...besides sports/music...just ONE thing where a black is the worlds greatest. ONE PLACE that is a majority black where you'd actually want yourself or your granddaughters to live.

My disgust is with YOU who can't seem to see the forest for the trees. Their INEQUALITY stares you in the face...MLK Blvd for one...and yet you REFUSE to acknowledge it. Instead of seeing the BIG picture, you keep focusing on small isolated incidents where A black got lucky and did good for someone OTHER than blacks.

WHY am I wrong for thinking like I do? Show me WHY you think they are our equal. PROVE to me they're fully human. That is my argument, we're different species being forced together by a political government who benefits from the social turmoil it creates and their constant need for poverty relief. A LOT of people make a LOT of money off the welfare system. JPM runs the SNAP card program. Big Ag makes a killing selling the food that 50 million people on foodstamps get per month. $5 billion a month goes to the likes of Kraft, Tyson, ADM, Cargill indirectly through welfare payments. The government gives the "poor" free money to buy those corporations products. The corporations in turn give money to get politicians elected who then enact bigger and better welfare programs...that benefits the corporations...and the cycle continues.

[Don Baldwin]

iT IS DISGUSTING.

What is alarming is those who attack one poster because he does not follow or agree with their political philosophy.

Folks on here supporting the coordinated attack on this person, such as Rubicon and a number of others simply validate their support for this kind of talk. Note who they NEVER criticize and who violates not only rules of TOTV but rules of common decency..

These posters escape their hypocritical critique.

They find this racial trash, and referring to women using disgusting terms to be much more acceptable than someone who objects to the alt right extremism.

It is very sad.

So...I take it neither of you will raise your hands and go spend some time on MLK Blvd?

And yet in the same breath...insult me for saying what deep down you agree with. You WOULDN'T go live there, youe wouldn't send her there. Because you KNOW I'm right, you just can't IMAGINE that they ARE a different species to be treated as a different species.

We let our dogs run the household...don't take it too far by allowing minorities to run the country.

I haven't attacked her...in fact, I say I agree when I do...it's not often, but it does happen...she IS sometimes correct...but often with the wrong interpretation.

YOU PEOPLE on the other hand...attack ME like I'm Cinderella or a red headed step child. It's open season on me. What did you say to me?

Face it lady...you're NOT a man...you're not going to be no matter how many things you screw up when you force yourself in. Hate men for being better than you all you want...it'll only make you miserable. IF you WERE equal, you wouldn't NEED your own category, you wouldn't NEED quotas. People would bid for you...fight for you. As it is...there always seems to be a "woman's division" and it's NOT to help the men...

Live in your world of delusion...where you convince yourself you're an equal. Just don't drag me into it.

Got any facts? Or just more name calling?

CNM is getting picked on...because CNM picks on others.

I defend myself...I'm not aggressive...unless you attack first. Then I tear the mama bear to pieces...because I'm papa bear.

If you want to discuss with facts, I'd love to...if you just want to b!tch and moan about how "unfair" it is...I am...then move it to the "women only" forum where all this drama belongs. There's NEVER drama until women get involved. Men duke it out, determine order, and move on...women rejoice in the continuous drama. It's just one of our differences, how we're made.

[cologal]

iT IS DISGUSTING.

What is alarming is those who attack one poster because he does not follow or agree with their political philosophy.

Folks on here supporting the coordinated attack on this person, such as Rubicon and a number of others simply validate their support for this kind of talk. Note who they NEVER criticize and who violates not only rules of TOTV but rules of common decency..

These posters escape their hypocritical critique.

They find this racial trash, and referring to women using disgusting terms to be much more acceptable than someone who objects to the alt right extremism.

It is very sad.

I am NOT part of a co-ordinated attack on anyone. I just personally find this posters racist posts offensive.

We still have the right to free speech...Mr Baldwin can say racists things all day long and I can say they are offensive to me.

[dirtbanker]

You have got to be kidding me! I share a personal story about how my family kept my sister off the rolls and all you can say is an insult about her choice in men, she was married for more than 20 years to that idiot, and to say that somehow my post indicates you should have to pay for welfare. Please show me where I said that?

And the porn thing is just way out of line!

As Don pointed out you agree with me - your sister has poor taste in men...she was married for 20 years and then the guy cheated on her one time...doubt that! He was banging stuff on the side and either she was too dumb to know or she just finally got tired of the situation.

You did not answer the questions, just whined about your feelings...and if you want to give out welfare we all have to pay for it via our taxes! You must have thought they had a tree they pick the food stamps off of.

The porn thing can happen!

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[Don Baldwin]

I am NOT part of a co-ordinated attack on anyone. I just personally find this posters racist posts offensive.

We still have the right to free speech...Mr Baldwin can say racists things all day long and I can say they are offensive to me.

And that's ALL you can say about them...because they're ALL true facts.

Blacks are NOT us...they're a different species and "mainstreaming" them into our modern society is fruitless. We've tried for 60 years...it's failed MISERABLY...it's time to stop the "equality" foolishness that has brought the country down for #1 to #25 in those 60 years.

You can THINK whatever you want...and you'd be wrong.

[cologal]

As Don pointed out you agree with me - your sister has poor taste in men...she was married for 20 years and then the guy cheated on her one time...doubt that! He was banging stuff on the side and either she was too dumb to know or she just finally got tired of the situation.

You did not answer the questions, just whined about your feelings...and if you want to give out welfare we all have to pay for it via our taxes! You must have thought they had a tree they pick the food stamps off of.

The porn thing can happen!

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I did clearly answer the questions on how long someone should be allowed to collect welfare.

My sister has only been married once, she married a graduate of the Air Force Academy who she had dated for at least 2 years. He was supposed to be an officer and a gentleman however actually he had narcissistic personality disorder. Being the good Catholic she stayed married to him for 20 years until she could not take it anymore. She never went on welfare or food stamps as the family took care of her and the kids. That included the immediate as well as the extended family when it came to college money.

Both my parents were working class and I grew up with stories about the hardships they faced during the Great Depression. What a life saver FDR and his programs were to the working class. They and my faith taught me to care for the people less fortunate than myself. My father used to say be glad when you are paying taxes because it means to made MONEY.

Obviously you were not raised with these same values. I have stated in other posts I don't believe welfare should be a vocation and I think many people, including entire families abuse the disability program.

Even Jesus said "Give to Caesar that is Caesar and to God what is God"s" So paying taxes is in the Bible. We don't get to decide on what they pay for only that we have to pay them. At least we have no state taxes here.

[dirtbanker]

So a woman that is not from a tight knit family, and shares your sisters inability to judge men, should cost me taxes for 3-5 years?

And a person that loses their printing job (that industry is dying...) and is holding out for another printing job, should cost me taxes for 1-2 years? How about the guy who lost his job because he was looking at porn on company time, and is having a hard time finding another job as a girls volleyball coach...should he get a 1-2 year vacation watching porn at his home and I have to pay taxes for him??

I did clearly answer the questions on how long someone should be allowed to collect welfare.

No, you did not. You gave a rough outline and I followed up with some detailed questions that would illustrate it is more complicated than your statements.


My sister has only been married once, she married a graduate of the Air Force Academy who she had dated for at least 2 years. He was supposed to be an officer and a gentleman however actually he had narcissistic personality disorder. Being the good Catholic she stayed married to him for 20 years until she could not take it anymore. She never went on welfare or food stamps as the family took care of her and the kids. That included the immediate as well as the extended family when it came to college money.


So your sister married a wingnut that liked to speak in acronyms, and loved the attention of others. It took her 20 years to discovered that she could not change a leopards spots...20 years most likely is due to codependency, she will most likely be attracted to another narcissist. If you post a picture of her, you might find someone on here that would be glad to help fill her void... ;-)


Both my parents were working class and I grew up with stories about the hardships they faced during the Great Depression. What a life saver FDR and his programs were to the working class. They and my faith taught me to care for the people less fortunate than myself. My father used to say be glad when you are paying taxes because it means to made MONEY.

All our parents worked hard and grew up with struggle...what about our children? Can they work hard enough to pay for all the help we have given to the less fortunate than you?? I hope your dad is still around, ask him if he wished they had taken less out of his paycheck so he could have helped his own family more.


Obviously you were not raised with these same values. I have stated in other posts I don't believe welfare should be a vocation and I think many people, including entire families abuse the disability program.


You have no idea what my values are, you might wish to rephrase to "I assume" in lieu of "Obviously".
Yes - you did elude to some of that, but then you threw out a blanket of 3-5 years for the woman that is a poor judge of men and a 1-2 years for the person that was looking for a job.


Even Jesus said "Give to Caesar that is Caesar and to God what is God"s" So paying taxes is in the Bible. We don't get to decide on what they pay for only that we have to pay them. At least we have no state taxes here.

I am Agnostic, so paying MORE taxes so others don't have to support themselves is not a indicator of me being a better person. Feeling sorry for someone to the point that you hold them back in life, is not helping, it is more of that codependency stuff.

[cologal]

No, you did not. You gave a rough outline and I followed up with some detailed questions that would illustrate it is more complicated than your statements.



So your sister married a wingnut that liked to speak in acronyms, and loved the attention of others. It took her 20 years to discovered that she could not change a leopards spots...20 years most likely is due to codependency, she will most likely be attracted to another narcissist. If you post a picture of her, you might find someone on here that would be glad to help fill her void... ;-)



All our parents worked hard and grew up with struggle...what about our children? Can they work hard enough to pay for all the help we have given to the less fortunate than you?? I hope your dad is still around, ask him if he wished they had taken less out of his paycheck so he could have helped his own family more.



You have no idea what my values are, you might wish to rephrase to "I assume" in lieu of "Obviously".
Yes - you did elude to some of that, but then you threw out a blanket of 3-5 years for the woman that is a poor judge of men and a 1-2 years for the person that was looking for a job.



I am Agnostic, so paying MORE taxes so others don't have to support themselves is not a indicator of me being a better person. Feeling sorry for someone to the point that you hold them back in life, is not helping, it is more of that codependency stuff.

I have made every effort to have a civil discussion surrounding this issue. Why do you feel the need to change my screen name to COPUFF. Do think that is funny? Did it make you feel better?

I am agnostic myself or as a call it a recovering catholic. I don't see the world as you do.

[Don Baldwin]

I have made every effort to have a civil discussion surrounding this issue. Why do you feel the need to change my screen name to COPUFF. Do think that is funny? Did it make you feel better?

I am agnostic myself or as a call it a recovering catholic. I don't see the world as you do.

No...you don't...you see it as a WOMAN sees it...emotionally. Often delusionaly. Rarely logically.

It's genetics...I didn't make you that way...I'm just the messenger.

[Sandtrap328]

The topic of this thread was "what changes will be made to Obamacare".

Why don't the Republicans come up with an acceptable replacement plan? They have had 7 years to do it and ... zilch.

IF Obamacare is repealed without an immediate replacement that will go in at the same instant that Obamacare is repealed, the good features will be PERMANENTLY lost. This includes the pre-existing conditions! The Part D donut hole will come back!

Republicans may talk but we need to see action. Talk with Webster when he has his meeting!! Tell him to get off his butt and represent us in The Villages.

[cologal]

No...you don't...you see it as a WOMAN sees it...emotionally. Often delusionaly. Rarely logically.

It's genetics...I didn't make you that way...I'm just the messenger.

And now a sexist remark....not surprising!!!

[Don Baldwin]

The topic of this thread was "what changes will be made to Obamacare".

Why don't the Republicans come up with an acceptable replacement plan? They have had 7 years to do it and ... zilch.

IF Obamacare is repealed without an immediate replacement that will go in at the same instant that Obamacare is repealed, the good features will be PERMANENTLY lost. This includes the pre-existing conditions! The Part D donut hole will come back!

Republicans may talk but we need to see action. Talk with Webster when he has his meeting!! Tell him to get off his butt and represent us in The Villages.

Go to only medicare, VA, government gets out of all other insurance programs. Insurance companies sell health insurance for cost plus a reasonable profit. Like a utility. The more you use it...the higher your premiums.

It's the only way. Otherwise the country will just keep getting deeper and deeper into debt. Every $1 million in medical expenses for one person. is 80 years of paying $1,000 a month.

Insurance will get real expensive and there will be death panels...there will have to be...for the old and the young. No more spending $ millions on a 90 y/o to get a few months. No more spending $ millions "saving" a VERY early term preemie who will have medical condition their whole life. It's not economically viable.

The REAL problem is...growth has stalled. We had "unlimited" growth, unlimited cheap labor, unlimited resources...growing productive populations. It led to boom times.

That is gone. Labor is hitting a world minimum wage as everyplace has already been "outsourced" to. Resources are getting scarcer. Arable land scarcer. The populations of poor is rising almost exponentially. While the populations of the white western countries plummets.

There are bigger problems than Obamacare going away...much bigger problems...only they don't talk about those problems.

[Don Baldwin]

And now a sexist remark....not surprising!!!

Whatever you call it...true nonetheless.

[dirtbanker]

I have made every effort to have a civil discussion surrounding this issue. Why do you feel the need to change my screen name to COPUFF. Do think that is funny? Did it make you feel better?

I am agnostic myself or as a call it a recovering catholic. I don't see the world as you do.

No, you have not "made every effort to have a civil discussion". You have been dismissive at best, proclaiming moral stance, and seldom addressing questions posed to you.

I did find the "CO Puff" humorous, lighten up a little and maybe you could see the humor of how people assume because you like CO = you smoke weed...

Laughter makes us all feel better...you don't agree??

You might be confused on your religious state, I would consider you a "closet Catholic". I don't see how you could be agnostic if you are concerned about making god happy.

No you don't see the world as I do, and I am not inferring that you have too...

[dirtbanker]

No...you don't...you see it as a WOMAN sees it...emotionally. Often delusionaly. Rarely logically.

It's genetics...I didn't make you that way...I'm just the messenger.

Sugar coating? You discounted your claims with the words "often" and "rarely"??

Hopefully you don't offend a "Roza Shanina" type...

[dirtbanker]

The topic of this thread was "what changes will be made to Obamacare".

Why don't the Republicans come up with an acceptable replacement plan? They have had 7 years to do it and ... zilch.

IF Obamacare is repealed without an immediate replacement that will go in at the same instant that Obamacare is repealed, the good features will be PERMANENTLY lost. This includes the pre-existing conditions! The Part D donut hole will come back!

Republicans may talk but we need to see action. Talk with Webster when he has his meeting!! Tell him to get off his butt and represent us in The Villages.

They will come up with a FINAL plan. They all ready said that EXISTING CONDITIONS will be addressed. OBAMMA had 6 years to fix the errors...

"PERMANENTLY"- Liberals are so emotional...the sky is not falling.

I emailed Webster, told him to repeal Obammacare and stop supporting the lazy!

[Don Baldwin]

Sugar coating? You discounted your claims with the words "often" and "rarely"??

Hopefully you don't offend a "Roza Shanina" type...

ARE there absolutes with people? We ALL fall somewhere on the bell curve. Often in different places...for different things. There are a FEW women who can think logically and openmindedly...but not many. MOST are clouded by their emotions.

Probably propaganda...like our "Rosie the Riveter". Did women contribute...sure they did...did they do as good a job as men could have...no. Look at the pictures of the aircraft manufacturing...men are all over it...directing, correcting.

http://www.vintagewings.ca/Portals/0/Vintage_Stories/News%20Stories%20E/Manufacturing%20Victory/Factory60.jpg

"Roza Georgiyevna Shanina was a Soviet sniper during World War II who was credited with fifty-nine confirmed kills, including twelve soldiers during the Battle of Vilnius."

But these are men...

"Renowned United States Marine Corps sniper with 93 confirmed kills. A Finnish sniper, infamously known as "The White Death", who holds the record for highest number of confirmed sniper kills. Häyhä was credited with 505 confirmed sniper kills of Soviet soldiers accomplished in fewer than 100 days during the Winter War"

These are a bunch of staged propaganda pictures...

WWII aircraft assembly pictures with women - Google Search (https://www.google.com/search?q=WWII+aircraft+assembly+pictures+with+wome n&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwib2K3DoKbSAhVEKiYKHUxRClYQsAQIGw&biw=1536&bih=710#imgdii=VemVZvT8IVEUIM:&imgrc=2k3UxBzFmYSKyM:)

[cologal]

No, you have not "made every effort to have a civil discussion". You have been dismissive at best, proclaiming moral stance, and seldom addressing questions posed to you.

I did find the "CO Puff" humorous, lighten up a little and maybe you could see the humor of how people assume because you like CO = you smoke weed...

Laughter makes us all feel better...you don't agree??

You might be confused on your religious state, I would consider you a "closet Catholic". I don't see how you could be agnostic if you are concerned about making god happy.

No you don't see the world as I do, and I am not inferring that you have too...

Honestly, I have tried to have a open and at time personal discussion on this subject.

I support welfare and food stamps for people as a hand up but not a vocation. I support what was once called workfare...you get support for a time until you find a job.

I DO NOT support a lifetime on welfare. But I don't mind some of my taxes going to help out the less fortunate.

Colorado is my home and has been since I was 16, I still spend my summers there. There is a very interesting reason why Colorado was the first state to legalize pot. I will assume you might not know the underlying reason. A number of years ago a tax hawk wrote a ballot initiative called the TABOR law or Tax Payer Bill of Rights which if passed would require a vote of the people. But perhaps the worst part of the law was if there was an excess of taxes at the end of the year would have to be returned to the people. So NO RAINY DAY FUND. Over the years the roads could not be repaired, parks were closed and school funding declined. I lost a tire to a pothole as did many others. There had to be an end to the standoff so came the ballot initiative to legalize recreational pot (medical pot was already legal) with all the proceeds public education. Our schools are well funded now. Colorado Springs actually passed a law to increase taxes to resurface the roads.

I will lighten up about the COPUFF thing, but the funny thing about that is I have always lived in Colorado Springs the most conservative county in Colorado and therefore pot
is not sold in that county. But that liberal town Manitou Springs is doing a booming business at Maggie's Farm!

I really do hope this clarifies my position on welfare.