immigrants paid 300+ billion in taxes last year, Trump zero.

[jebartle]

Sure makes sense to exile tax payers, while orange-red gets off scott-free!

[billethkid]

Sure makes sense to exile tax payers, while orange-red gets off scott-free!

How about we get an investigation of all those individuals and corporations that do not pay taxes.....oh never mind it is not illegal....and there are a lot of individuals and corporations that do not and have not paid taxes because the tax laws allow for it.

Just google the following:

"how many individuals and corporations do not pay taxes".

If you have never ever done so be prepared to get a shock when you learn what is common in taxation in America.

[larbud]

How about we get an investigation of all those individuals and corporations that do not pay taxes.....oh never mind it is not illegal....and there are a lot of individuals and corporations that do not and have not paid taxes because the tax laws allow for it.

Just google the following:

"how many individuals and corporations do not pay taxes".

If you have never ever done so be prepared to get a shock when you learn what is common in taxation in America. Or better yet google earned income credit...

[affald]

Sure makes sense to exile tax payers, while orange-red gets off scott-free!
So illegal immigrants are a net gain to our country, great open the borders!

Another worthless thread without a purpose.

Try to have a point.

[AJ32162]

Sure makes sense to exile tax payers, while orange-red gets off scott-free!

How much did the 12-15 million ILLEGAL immigrants pay?

[Rockyrd]

I probably fall in the middle area on this subject, but am putting this out there so at least this gets discussed.

So often we do not hear this side.

The second link speaks of Dallas, TX and how if the illegal immigrants go, their economy will collapse.

Just for info


"Donald Trump may not have paid federal income taxes for 20 years, but the undocumented immigrants he rails against certainly have, according to the head of a Latino civic engagement organization.

Maria Teresa Kumar, CEO and president of Voto Latino, said on NBC’s Meet the Press that "no one is surprised" by the New York Times report on Trump’s personal finances and pointed out Trump’s "hypocrisy."

"He keeps talking about undocumented immigrants. Undocumented immigrants pay $12 billion of taxes every single year. They pay their taxes. They have skin in the game. He is not contributing to a system that he says he's going to go in and fix," Kumar said."



How much do undocumented immigrants pay in taxes? | PunditFact (http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2016/oct/02/maria-teresa-kumar/how-much-do-undocumented-immigrants-pay-taxes/)

Deporting undocumented immigrants would crumble Dallas’ economy | Commentary | Dallas News (http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2017/02/16/deporting-undocumented-immigrants-crumble-dallas-economy)

[AJ32162]

I probably fall in the middle area on this subject, but am putting this out there so at least this gets discussed.

So often we do not hear this side.

The second link speaks of Dallas, TX and how if the illegal immigrants go, their economy will collapse.

Just for info


"Donald Trump may not have paid federal income taxes for 20 years, but the undocumented immigrants he rails against certainly have, according to the head of a Latino civic engagement organization.

Maria Teresa Kumar, CEO and president of Voto Latino, said on NBC’s Meet the Press that "no one is surprised" by the New York Times report on Trump’s personal finances and pointed out Trump’s "hypocrisy."

"He keeps talking about undocumented immigrants. Undocumented immigrants pay $12 billion of taxes every single year. They pay their taxes. They have skin in the game. He is not contributing to a system that he says he's going to go in and fix," Kumar said."



How much do undocumented immigrants pay in taxes? | PunditFact (http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2016/oct/02/maria-teresa-kumar/how-much-do-undocumented-immigrants-pay-taxes/)

Deporting undocumented immigrants would crumble Dallas’ economy | Commentary | Dallas News (http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2017/02/16/deporting-undocumented-immigrants-crumble-dallas-economy)

From the article: How much do undocumented immigrants pay in taxes? | PunditFact (http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2016/oct/02/maria-teresa-kumar/how-much-do-undocumented-immigrants-pay-taxes/)

"Kumar told us she meant Social Security taxes, but that would make her figure less accurate. According to the Social Security Administration, half of the $12 billion in payroll taxes comes from employers. (But she didn’t say it this way.)"

Seems to me that the left-leaning Maria Teresa Kumar distorted the facts...not surprising. So, it appears the number is much closer to $6 billion than $12 billion in Social Security withholding...and not Federal income tax.

[Don Baldwin]

How much would we save if we kicked them all out and took the almost half of blacks on welfare and put them to work in the jobs they left behind. Welfare costs a $ trillion a year and minorities make up 80% of it...that's $800 billion. A far cry from your $300 billion they DO pay. The "poor" are ALWAYS a net drag on a country.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

So illegal immigrants are a net gain to our country, great open the borders!

Another worthless thread without a purpose.

Try to have a point.

Here we go again. The title of the OP is "IMMIGRANTS pay ....."

Suddenly we're interchanging immigrants with illegal immigrants. They are two different things.

And if anyone thinks that President Trump paid zero in taxes you know nothing about our tax system or economics. First of all, we don 't know what the president paid in taxes and it's none of our business. If he paid zero in personal income tax however, you can be sure that he paid millions in other types of taxes. Not only that, but as someone who employs thousands of people, he pays taxes on every one of those people. And he is responsible for those people being employed so he is indirectly responsible for the taxes that they pay.

No one is talking about deporting legal immigrants or stopping legal immigration. What is being discussed is locating all ILLEGAL immigrants and deporting some of them depending on their circumstances.

You're right, this is another worthless pointless thread and I'm sorry I responded to it.

[Don Baldwin]

Here we go again. The title of the OP is "IMMIGRANTS pay ....."

Suddenly we're interchanging immigrants with illegal immigrants. They are two different things.

And if anyone thinks that President Trump paid zero in taxes you know nothing about our tax system or economics. First of all, we don 't know what the president paid in taxes and it's none of our business. If he paid zero in personal income tax however, you can be sure that he paid millions in other types of taxes. Not only that, but as someone who employs thousands of people, he pays taxes on every one of those people. And he is responsible for those people being employed so he is indirectly responsible for the taxes that they pay.

No one is talking about deporting legal immigrants or stopping legal immigration. What is being discussed is locating all ILLEGAL immigrants and deporting some of them depending on their circumstances.

You're right, this is another worthless pointless thread and I'm sorry I responded to it.

It's the ANCHOR babies...millions per year...almost 30 years...it's been adding up...they're becoming the MAJORITY there are so many.

Joe Biden said whites are at 49%, that means minorities are already the majority. You want to know why we've dropped to #25 in world rankings?...that is why. Below age 7 minorities are the majority starting school, a new baby boom.

The country is lost.

THAT is what you SHOULD be discussing...how to stop it. They dropped ILLEGAL kids here who are being treated as citizens even though they should not be. their parents, illegals, were NOT under the jurisdiction of the US. They need to be deported or the country is lost.

[jebartle]

How much would we save if we kicked them all out and took the almost half of blacks on welfare and put them to work in the jobs they left behind. Welfare costs a $ trillion a year and minorities make up 80% of it...that's $800 billion. A far cry from your $300 billion they DO pay. The "poor" are ALWAYS a net drag on a country.

you don't get it, NO ONE WANTS THOSE JOBS!!!!!

[rubicon]

I probably fall in the middle area on this subject, but am putting this out there so at least this gets discussed.

So often we do not hear this side.

The second link speaks of Dallas, TX and how if the illegal immigrants go, their economy will collapse.

Just for info


"Donald Trump may not have paid federal income taxes for 20 years, but the undocumented immigrants he rails against certainly have, according to the head of a Latino civic engagement organization.

Maria Teresa Kumar, CEO and president of Voto Latino, said on NBC’s Meet the Press that "no one is surprised" by the New York Times report on Trump’s personal finances and pointed out Trump’s "hypocrisy."

"He keeps talking about undocumented immigrants. Undocumented immigrants pay $12 billion of taxes every single year. They pay their taxes. They have skin in the game. He is not contributing to a system that he says he's going to go in and fix," Kumar said."



How much do undocumented immigrants pay in taxes? | PunditFact (http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2016/oct/02/maria-teresa-kumar/how-much-do-undocumented-immigrants-pay-taxes/)

Deporting undocumented immigrants would crumble Dallas’ economy | Commentary | Dallas News (http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2017/02/16/deporting-undocumented-immigrants-crumble-dallas-economy)

What is it about progressives that they keep skipping over the term "illegal".

Assad said he had no dog in the fight concerning Trump's travel ban. he also said that Trump was correct and that terrorist would be among those traveling to the US.

Minnesota courts sided against Trump executive order. Minneapolis has a very large Simolia population. many whom have been recruited as terrorists.

Personal Best Regards:

[Rockyrd]

What is it about progressives that they keep skipping over the term "illegal".

Assad said he had no dog in the fight concerning Trump's travel ban. he also said that Trump was correct and that terrorist would be among those traveling to the US.

Minnesota courts sided against Trump executive order. Minneapolis has a very large Simolia population. many whom have been recruited as terrorists.

Personal Best Regards:

You are maybe the most shallow, single minded person ever.

This post was not for you another opportunity to preach to your own personal millions of terrible people, progressives.

It was, as I said, an attmpt to add some real numbers to the conversation..fact is a post asked how much...I gave a start...and did not offer an editorial. You, on the other hand are quick on preaching, and your ONE SINGLE OPINION ON EVERYTHING...which goes like this....I am smart. All progressives and minorities are dumb and wrong. Listen to me. Trust me without facts.

If you had read the first link and the comments in the article, you would have found it simply supported COMPREHENSIVE immigration reform.

You truely are uninformed and always anxious to manifest that with you lectures.

[Don Baldwin]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Guest
How much would we save if we kicked them all out and took the almost half of blacks on welfare and put them to work in the jobs they left behind. Welfare costs a $ trillion a year and minorities make up 80% of it...that's $800 billion. A far cry from your $300 billion they DO pay. The "poor" are ALWAYS a net drag on a country.

you don't get it, NO ONE WANTS THOSE JOBS!!!!!

So your solution is to allow illegals to come in to do them?

How about this instead... IF you're on welfare...you don't GET to "choose" whether you'll take a job or not. IF there's a job...you take it. Over 11 million illegals here now...that's 11 million jobs to get people off welfare. Seems like a good start to me.

[larbud]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Guest
How much would we save if we kicked them all out and took the almost half of blacks on welfare and put them to work in the jobs they left behind. Welfare costs a $ trillion a year and minorities make up 80% of it...that's $800 billion. A far cry from your $300 billion they DO pay. The "poor" are ALWAYS a net drag on a country.



So your solution is to allow illegals to come in to do them?

How about this instead... IF you're on welfare...you don't GET to "choose" whether you'll take a job or not. IF there's a job...you take it. Over 11 million illegals here now...that's 11 million jobs to get people off welfare. Seems like a good start to me.

Seems strange (not) that one of the very few voices of reason is the most accused of racism!!! To the libturds REALISM equals racism...

[affald]

you don't get it, NO ONE WANTS THOSE JOBS!!!!!
Wrong. SOME people would want those jobs. SOME wages may go up. SOME people may have to pay a little more for food and labor.

The net result, SOME lives would be saved, crime would go down, and the tax burden would be reduced.

The economists and other statisticians that have the guts to address the issue have demonstrated many many other benefits such as a A HUGE reduction in health care prices, pollution, costs of many public services, etc, etc.... countless benefits.

Who do you think goes to the emergency room with very minor medical issues?

Property taxes in many areas are over 50% school taxes which are burdened by what?????? Think it through. Think of every other public service being taxed. Police, fire, courts, social services etc etc.

"No one wants those jobs" can only be spoken by those that do not have a grasp on economics and common sense.... or those with a political agenda that ignores reality.

The net effect of immigration reform is incredibly positive! !

[dirtbanker]

It was, as I said, an attempt to add some real numbers to the conversation..fact is a post asked how much...I gave a start...and did not offer an editorial because I suspected the data I provided was incorrect. I am quick on preaching, and offering my ONE SINGLE OPINION ON EVERYTHING...which goes like this....I am smart. Anyone that accepts Trump as president are dumb and wrong. Listen to me. Trust me without accurate facts.

Well you certainly summed it up there...


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[Rockyrd]

Well you certainly summed it up there...


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We, on this forum, have reached a new low...as with the presidency.

Not sure what word to use to describe someone like you who purposely alters another post.

This might be a new low.

Speaks to your total complete lack of character.

I will write to admin because I do not think I have ever seen a poster alter another's.

Your lack of respect for people and total lack of civility is noted.

[Rockyrd]

Well you certainly summed it up there...


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Be aware of DRTBANKER.

He will alter your words, which is beyond description to me.

What once was a nice forum, TOTV, has become a slimy piece of......

These are your people, I say to a few long time posters...these are the values which you support....this is the image you want to portray.

[affald]

We, on this forum, have reached a new low...as with the presidency.

Not sure what word to use to describe someone like you who purposely alters another post.

This might be a new low.

Speaks to your total complete lack of character.

I will write to admin because I do not think I have ever seen a poster alter another's.

Your lack of respect for people and total lack of civility is noted.
No obama the community organizer was the lowest. Look up Obama's history of success both before and after his election. Esp Rev Wright.

Have you ever been to a black church? I have, try it. I am sure you have had a sheltered life.

How many thousands of times has obama and michelle given their verbal "uhh huh" approval of wright's racist remarks.

Repeat after me, "Obama is a racist" now do your homework before you name call patriotic trump.

[dirtbanker]

We, on this forum, have reached a new low....

I will write to admin because I do not think I have ever seen a poster alter another's.

Your lack of respect for people and total lack of civility is noted.

We? You got a mouse in your pocket??

Be sure and ask him to review your attacks on other posters that you have been stalking...every post they make you pounce with name calling...

You want me to respect you - earn my respect, and if your prior posts are any indication of your future posts...you don't have much going for you in that quest.



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[Don Baldwin]

No obama the community organizer was the lowest. Look up Obama's history of success both before and after his election. Esp Rev Wright.

Have you ever been to a black church? I have, try it. I am sure you have had a sheltered life.

How many thousands of times has obama and michelle given their verbal "uhh huh" approval of wright's racist remarks.

Repeat after me, "Obama is a racist" now do your homework before you name call patriotic trump.

And their racism was probably held in check because you were there. Just like when women/black/Hispanic people are around we try to watch our language.

If you only knew how people talk when they're with their own kind.

Go to MLK Blvd at midnight...see what they really are. That is the 99%. What you see on the media is fake. 80% of black "families" aren't even families...they're single mothers.

They should have read his books...his "Mein Kampf".

[Don Baldwin]

We? You got a mouse in your pocket??

Be sure and ask him to review your attacks on other posters that you have been stalking...every post they make you pounce with name calling...

You want me to respect you - earn my respect, and if your prior posts are any indication of your future posts...you don't have much going for you in that quest.



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WHY don't we do that for women and minorities? MAKE them earn our respect and earn their jobs...slots...positions.

Oh...they don't measure up so they CAN'T earn it...so we give them quotas and bring the nation down to #25.

Got it! That's a recipe for success!

[dillywho]

So illegal immigrants are a net gain to our country, great open the borders!

Another worthless thread without a purpose.

Try to have a point.

:BigApplause:

[dillywho]

Sure makes sense to exile tax payers, while orange-red gets off scott-free!

So you are telling us that ILLEGALS paid all those taxes? Uh, don't think so. Why do you think they get hired in the first place? They work what is called 'under the table' and send almost 100% of their money back home. That is not taxes.

There are plenty of people in the US that don't pay taxes, and they do it legally. Why single out just one person? Do you take all of your deductions or do you just simply say, "Tell me how much tax I owe on my total income. Don't take any exemptions (deductions). I just pay it all myself."

Didn't think so.

[ColdNoMore]

We, on this forum, have reached a new low...as with the presidency.

Not sure what word to use to describe someone like you who purposely alters another post.

This might be a new low.

Speaks to your total complete lack of character.

I will write to admin because I do not think I have ever seen a poster alter another's.

Your lack of respect for people and total lack of civility is noted.

You nailed it!

Anyone can change other members posts.

The need to do it so often, simply illuminates a lack of original thought...and forfeits any claim on even a modicum of intelligence.

[jebartle]

So you are telling us that ILLEGALS paid all those taxes? Uh, don't think so. Why do you think they get hired in the first place? They work what is called 'under the table' and send almost 100% of their money back home. That is not taxes.

There are plenty of people in the US that don't pay taxes, and they do it legally. Why single out just one person? Do you take all of your deductions or do you just simply say, "Tell me how much tax I owe on my total income. Don't take any exemptions (deductions). I just pay it all myself."

Didn't think so.

Where is your news source? Tweetly-dumb? Please!
But he is the Smartest man he knows, ha!!

[dirtbanker]

You nailed it!

Anyone can change other members posts.

The need to do it so often, simply illuminates a lack of original thought...and forfeits any claim on even a modicum of intelligence.

You are courting rockface...maybe you two should get a room...that is funny stuff right there!!


"Anyone can change other members quotes" and you certainly have done that yourself, but your disclaimer is you don't feel you do it often enough to forfeit YOUR claim of intelligence...HaHaHa

Almost as hypocritical as calling others liars, while lying about making a charitable contribution...

Or calling others racist, while infering those that don't speak good English are undocumented...

Keep the laughs coming stupid (unt!



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[dirtbanker]

Where is your news source? Tweetly-dumb? Please!
But he is the Smartest man he knows, ha!!
Probably the smartest man you know too...FACT CHECK IT...

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[MDLNB]

Obviously, the OP is an idiot. Trump may have had enough left over from his original loss to exempt him from paying FEDERAL INCOME taxes, but he still paid millions in other taxes. He has billions in property that he paid taxes on. He would have paid millions in employee taxes and he would have paid unknown high sales taxes on his spending. No one knows exactly how much he would have paid in total, but he certainly paid more than his share of taxes. There is no one on this forum that has paid as much as Trump. So, GET OVER IT.

Immigrants and Illegal Aliens are two totally different classes of people. Immigrants come here legally and must pay taxes. Illegals are criminals and cost America billions every year. The cost of building the wall will be nothing in comparison to what Illegal aliens are costing us and our children.

Here's an interesting article from Heritage that is dated in 2013 but just add some zeros to it and you will have a good estimate of the cost today.
The Fiscal Cost of Unlawful Immigrants and Amnesty to the U.S. Taxpayer | The Heritage Foundation (http://www.heritage.org/immigration/report/the-fiscal-cost-unlawful-immigrants-and-amnesty-the-us-taxpayer)

[Buffalo Jim]

Sure makes sense to exile tax payers, while orange-red gets off scott-free!

You do not have Clue Number 1 on how much in taxes of all types that Pres. Trumps conglomerate of operating companies paid in taxes at the local , State or Federal Levels last year or for any year as a matter of fact .

And here is one for you --- he could hand you that huge stack of forms which comprise his annual Tax Returns and I can guarantee you couldn`t understand it due to its density and complexity .

[ColdNoMore]

You are courting rockface...maybe you two should get a room...that is funny stuff right there!!

"Anyone can change other members quotes" and you certainly have done that yourself, but your disclaimer is you don't feel you do it often enough to forfeit YOUR claim of intelligence...HaHaHa

Almost as hypocritical as calling others liars, while lying about making a charitable contribution...

Or calling others racist, while infering those that don't speak good English are undocumented...

Keep the laughs coming stupid (unt!


I'm the one LMAO.... :1rotfl:

You're one of the most lying, unoriginal, desperate racist/misogynistic wingnuts here and your need to change other people's posts...simply proves it. :ho:

I change names, but not the content of the post...so you're lying again. ;)

And that you can't afford to send a tiny donation to try and name some cockroaches (yours wasn't accepted by the way.... :D ) and then keep whining about it...is your problem.

So please don't stop posting...as you crack me the he11 up. :thumbup:


Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

[Buffalo Jim]

I'm the one LMAO.... :1rotfl:

You're one of the most lying, unoriginal, desperate racist/misogynistic wingnuts here and your need to change other people's posts...simply proves it. :ho:

I change names, but not the content of the post...so you're lying again. ;)

And that you can't afford to send a tiny donation to try and name some cockroaches (yours wasn't accepted by the way.... :D ) and then keep whining about it...is your problem.

So please don't stop posting...as you crack me the he11 up. :thumbup:




Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

And you are nothing more than a constant and consistent boorish ass-hole and a pity of an excuse for a man .
This seems to be the only life you have . Pretty sad actually .Little Man You !

[MDLNB]

And you are nothing more than a constant and consistent boorish ass-hole and a pity of an excuse for a man .
This seems to be the only life you have . Pretty sad actually .Little Man You !

:thumbup:...:eclipsee_gold_cup:

[dillywho]

Where is your news source? Tweetly-dumb? Please!
But he is the Smartest man he knows, ha!!

I don't need a news source. I know LEGALS who know exactly how illegals work the system. Why do you think they have no use for the illegals?

You still didn't answer my question. Do you pay your income tax off the gross or do you take every deduction allowed? Or do you even bother to file? Hmmmm