The President and his speeches....

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A great EDITORIAL on our President and his speeches...

"Six months into his presidency, with more surely to come, it is an appropriate moment to ask: What is the point and purpose of Barack Obama's speeches?

One answer -- offered by students of talk from Aristotle through Alfred North Whitehead -- is obvious: The purpose of the rhetorician's art is to persuade. John Locke, watching democracy's advance, had a darker view; rhetoric, said Locke, is an instrument of error and deceit. Or both: talking people into error."

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/07/16/what_is_the_point_of_obamas_speeches_97490.html


Did you hear what he told students while in Russia...he told them the cold war ....here is his quote...

"And then, within a few short years, the world as it was ceased to be. Now, make no mistake: This change did not come from any one nation. The Cold War reached a conclusion because of the actions of many nations over many years, and because the people of Russia and Eastern Europe stood up and decided that its end would be peaceful."

Diplomacy perhaps, but facts are that this country stood tall and if we had not the Soviet Union was lookng for world domination and was in the process of making a mockery of any human rights, etc. Maybe you dont talk about this to be diplomatic but if you talk about it tell the truth. Why is he accepting of lies told about this country ?

More from the link....

"With one notable exception -- health care -- there is a disconnect between the scale of Mr. Obama's ideas and his actions, and sometimes even reality, as when he says a U.S-Russian commitment to a world without nuclear weapons would be the "legal and moral foundation" for persuading the world's rogues to do the same. What, exactly, comes after the moral foundation?"

He is a man with what someone on here or somewhere referred to as having a "messiah" attitude about himself.....pretty words....ONLY !

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the late 30's and early 40's who did that very thing.
And he thought he was the messiah.

Self induced...self proclaimed....gobbled up by we the people (them at the time)

like too many here today!

The end result will follow history also.....hopefully in as short a time.

btk

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the late 30's and early 40's who did that very thing.
And he thought he was the messiah.

Self induced...self proclaimed....gobbled up by we the people (them at the time)

like too many here today!

The end result will follow history also.....hopefully in as short a time.

btk

Agreed!!

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the late 30's and early 40's who did that very thing.
And he thought he was the messiah.

Self induced...self proclaimed....gobbled up by we the people (them at the time)

like too many here today!

The end result will follow history also.....hopefully in as short a time.

btk

Oh pleez....now he is the second coming of Hitler??? Commie, Socialist, Facist...your list is endless.

I remember Bush going out on the stump to sell us on privatization of Social Security. That is what a politician does....What do think all those speech's this fall were? The candidates were selling us on their ideas.


And what do you mean by this:

The end result will follow history also.....hopefully in as short a time.

If Obama follows the history you claim then we will have a world war and 6 million Jews and other undesirables gassed and then a burned body in a courtyard. Is that the history you meant?

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Oh pleez....now he is the second coming of Hitler??? Commie, Socialist, Facist...your list is endless.

I remember Bush going out on the stump to sell us on privatization of Social Security. That is what a politician does....What do think all those speech's this fall were? The candidates were selling us on their ideas.


And what do you mean by this:

The end result will follow history also.....hopefully in as short a time.

If Obama follows the history you claim then we will have a world war and 6 million Jews and other undesirables gassed and then a burned body in a courtyard. Is that the history you meant?
I am sure he meant his own demise...which more and more people are hoping each and every day.

When President Bush "went out on the stump" nobody wanted to talk about it.....even though he was right and everybody knew it.

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Oh pleez....now he is the second coming of Hitler??? Commie, Socialist, Facist...your list is endless.

I remember Bush going out on the stump to sell us on privatization of Social Security. That is what a politician does....What do think all those speech's this fall were? The candidates were selling us on their ideas.


And what do you mean by this:

The end result will follow history also.....hopefully in as short a time.

If Obama follows the history you claim then we will have a world war and 6 million Jews and other undesirables gassed and then a burned body in a courtyard. Is that the history you meant?

Bush made a suggestion and told the country that SS was in trouble. When he made his suggestion on privatization, he also said VERY CLEARLY that it didnt have to be that, he simply wanted conversation on the subject. This is what Speaker Pelosi said at the time...

"Indeed, in a May 10, 2005 news release, Pelosi declared, "There is no Social Security crisis. We all agree that there is a problem down the road that we should address before it becomes a bigger problem,” she said. But Congress, under Pelosi’s leadership, did nothing about it."

Bush never got a chance to "stump"...he was mocked and laughed at....I wish I could find Harry Reid's sarcastic comment at the time. The Democrats laughed and said there is no problem (similiar to what they said about Fannie Mae, etc in 2006) NOW speaker Pelosi BLAMES Bush !

So he did not go around the country "stumping" as you say....he made a few speeches most of which at best were sound bites on the evening news.

PRESIDENT OBAMA has his own campaign group paying for ads to broadcast over television..paid for by his POLITICAL GROUP !!!!

I doubt if you read the article but I can supply more if you want. NO President has been on tv MAKING SPEECHES even close to what this President has done and it is always SELLING !

READ THE ARTICLE...it is not a slanted politically article,...it simply points out that he is the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES...stop campaigning...strike a different tone like you think this country is as worthy as those you are always complimenting.

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I say that we should lock Obama in the Oval Office, without camera's or teleprompters, for 6 months so the country can recuperate from the last 6 months. Tend to business and stop campaigning.

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I am sure he meant his own demise...which more and more people are hoping each and every day.

When President Bush "went out on the stump" nobody wanted to talk about it.....even though he was right and everybody knew it.

Sure he was right and we all saw it this October. HAHAHAHA

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Bush made a suggestion and told the country that SS was in trouble. When he made his suggestion on privatization, he also said VERY CLEARLY that it didnt have to be that, he simply wanted conversation on the subject. This is what Speaker Pelosi said at the time...

"Indeed, in a May 10, 2005 news release, Pelosi declared, "There is no Social Security crisis. We all agree that there is a problem down the road that we should address before it becomes a bigger problem,” she said. But Congress, under Pelosi’s leadership, did nothing about it."

Bush never got a chance to "stump"...he was mocked and laughed at....I wish I could find Harry Reid's sarcastic comment at the time. The Democrats laughed and said there is no problem (similiar to what they said about Fannie Mae, etc in 2006) NOW speaker Pelosi BLAMES Bush !

So he did not go around the country "stumping" as you say....he made a few speeches most of which at best were sound bites on the evening news.

PRESIDENT OBAMA has his own campaign group paying for ads to broadcast over television..paid for by his POLITICAL GROUP !!!!

I doubt if you read the article but I can supply more if you want. NO President has been on tv MAKING SPEECHES even close to what this President has done and it is always SELLING !

READ THE ARTICLE...it is not a slanted politically article,...it simply points out that he is the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES...stop campaigning...strike a different tone like you think this country is as worthy as those you are always complimenting.

The post was more about the comment that Obama was like Hitler....

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Sure he was right and we all saw it this October. HAHAHAHA

Are we on the school yard now????:confused:....

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Are we on the school yard now????:confused:....

COLOGAL laughs a lot but only at Republicans !!! She also ONLY posts when it is about personalities, NOT issues !

Guess it is nice to have a sense of humor...she laughed at the Congress using the CIA for politics,but whatever......

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Sure he was right and we all saw it this October. HAHAHAHA

Yes he was right... and people are finally seeing BHO's true colors and realizing he is full of BS as his approval rating has been in a steady decline since he took office. It has dropped 33 points with a current negative rating, meaning that more people strongly disapprove of what he is doing than approve.

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COLOGAL laughs a lot but only at Republicans !!! She also ONLY posts when it is about personalities, NOT issues !

Guess it is nice to have a sense of humor...she laughed at the Congress using the CIA for politics,but whatever......

You bet I laugh at the Repub's there is so much to laugh about.....

But then again I had been crying for 8 years...its much better this way.

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You bet I laugh at the Repub's there is so much to laugh about.....

But then again I had been crying for 8 years...its much better this way.

Don't throw your hankies out. The way the Community Activist in Chief's ratings are diving....hopefully in 2010 you will need them again.:pepper2:

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Yes he was right... and people are finally seeing BHO's true colors and realizing he is full of BS as his approval rating has been in a steady decline since he took office. It has dropped 33 points with a current negative rating, meaning that more people strongly disapprove of what he is doing than approve.

Bush was NOT right about privatizing SS and the crash of October has shown everyone that!!!

But as usual no one wants to answer the question.....when fronted you all deflect. Time and Time again

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Bush was NOT right about privatizing SS and the crash of October has shown everyone that!!!

But as usual no one wants to answer the question.....when fronted you all deflect. Time and Time again

Bush's idea was and still is good. He was talking about putting just a small percentage of the 15% that we contribute with the employer to SS. The market goes up and down but it has steadily risen alot in the last 15 years or so. If the SS collapses under the weight of 78 million baby boomers, the money that was put in your private account will still be there.
But in your case, Cologal.....I bet if Obama suggested it or anyone with a "D" after his name suggested it....you would think it was a great idea...right?

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I would loved to have had the opportunity to invest my money the way I wanted to. I think I could have done better than the government.

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bush was not right about privatizing ss and the crash of october has shown everyone that!!!

But as usual no one wants to answer the question.....when fronted you all deflect. Time and time again

what is the question ??????

Did or does it concern the cap and trade bill ?

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and then mis-statements made inferring the intents of my words.

I did not say the man (Obama) was like Hitler (cologal did). I said the man has the same traits.

Per Keedy (thank you) I meant his demise (not the killing of Jews et al as completely mis-stated by cologal).

I firmly believe it is everyone's right to back their man or party or what ever tickles their fancy. I also believe we can all disagree and make commentary good or bad about them without being subjected to snide remarks and sniping or as empty and hollow as school yard bantor.

Debate? yes. Argue? OK for some. Disagree? Yes, that results in progress for most thinking beings. Stand and be counted? Absolutely. Blind, bobble head acceptance of anything? Absolutely not (right or wrong).

I still wonder in amazement why it was/is OK for these individuals to ask questions, disagree with the opposition or make snide remarks.....but not allowed for anyone else, not blindly following?

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Don't throw your hankies out. The way the Community Activist in Chief's ratings are diving....hopefully in 2010 you will need them again.:pepper2:

Did they move the Presidential election?

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Did they move the Presidential election?

The democrats could lose power in 2010. You know what I meant, right?

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Bush's idea was and still is good. He was talking about putting just a small percentage of the 15% that we contribute with the employer to SS. The market goes up and down but it has steadily risen alot in the last 15 years or so. If the SS collapses under the weight of 78 million baby boomer's, the money that was put in your private account will still be there.
But in your case, Cologal.....I bet if Obama suggested it or anyone with a "D" after his name suggested it....you would think it was a great idea...right?

First:

the money that was put in your private account will still be there.

Be serious....most everyone lost 15-25% on all investments.

Actually, in this case, that would be a big NO. My childhood experiences have made me very leary of the Stock Market. For the "investor" it is much like going to Vegas. The people who make money are the dealers and the house. Just look at things now.....the big investment firms got bailed out, received their expect bonuses and now are showing big profits. Not so in my 401k.

This is history about 401K pension plans in Nebraska...they were touted has being the answer and now years later they are in the dustbid.

The only ones who would have benefited by this plans was Wall Street.

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The democrats could lose power in 2010. You know what I meant, right?

I like the word COULD.....

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what is the question ??????

Did or does it concern the cap and trade bill ?

Nope...it concerns the post which compared Obama to Hitler. So I asked this:

And what do you mean by this:

The end result will follow history also.....hopefully in as short a time.

If Obama follows the history you claim then we will have a world war and 6 million Jews and other undesirables gassed and then a burned body in a courtyard. Is that the history you meant?

Is that the history?

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Nope...it concerns the post which compared Obama to Hitler. So I asked this:

And what do you mean by this:

The end result will follow history also.....hopefully in as short a time.

If Obama follows the history you claim then we will have a world war and 6 million Jews and other undesirables gassed and then a burned body in a courtyard. Is that the history you meant?

Is that the history?



The post obviously was speaking to the habit of our President making so many speeches with little substance....seems it was YOU, AND ONLY YOU who added all the other hate tripe !

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The post obviously was speaking to the habit of our President making so many speeches with little substance....seems it was YOU, AND ONLY YOU who added all the other hate tripe !

No.... read the original post. But I will copy it here for you: to help you I will bold the bad parts



There was a very well spoken politician in Europe during

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the late 30's and early 40's who did that very thing.
And he thought he was the messiah.

Self induced...self proclaimed....gobbled up by we the people (them at the time)

like too many here today!
The end result will follow history also.....hopefully in as short a time.


I only asked if the poster believed Obama would follow that history which I provided. No hate speech at all. Only the history of that politician and his end result.

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No.... read the original post. But I will copy it here for you: to help you I will bold the bad parts



There was a very well spoken politician in Europe during

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the late 30's and early 40's who did that very thing.
And he thought he was the messiah.

Self induced...self proclaimed....gobbled up by we the people (them at the time)

like too many here today!
The end result will follow history also.....hopefully in as short a time.


I only asked if the poster believed Obama would follow that history which I provided. No hate speech at all. Only the history of that politician and his end result.

I don't know why Bucco tries to explain things to you...everybody else gets it . He meant his time in power was short. He hopes Obama only serves one term.

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First:

the money that was put in your private account will still be there.

Be serious....most everyone lost 15-25% on all investments.

Actually, in this case, that would be a big NO. My childhood experiences have made me very leary of the Stock Market. For the "investor" it is much like going to Vegas. The people who make money are the dealers and the house. Just look at things now.....the big investment firms got bailed out, received their expect bonuses and now are showing big profits. Not so in my 401k.

This is history about 401K pension plans in Nebraska...they were touted has being the answer and now years later they are in the dustbid.

The only ones who would have benefited by this plans was Wall Street.

There are big gains and big loses. When I got laid off I transferred all my money to an IRA. I have the choice to diversify my money to what I want. A certain percentage goes to safe investments and a certain amount goes to higher risk. It is my money and I can put it in stocks or bonds or equities or CD's if I'm really worried about the market. When you put 15% of all your money(you and employer) into SS and it goes under...you screwed. With the weight of 78 million baby boomers about to collect...what makes you so sure you will get what you think you will get. If they do means evaluations...you monthly payments could decrease significantly.
Oh, by the way, you can blame the democrats for dipping into the SS. Johnson needed the money to fund his Great Society and his War on Poverty. Also, the Kennedy-Johnson Vietnam war was funded through SS too.

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comparing Obama to Hitler. You may choose to interpret it that way but that is not what it said. Repeating....Obama has many of the traits of the leader at that time. You decided to do a media take on it and make a banquet out of a ham sandwich!

And once again, the following history comment had nothing to do with, was not intended to do with, was not even in the thought process i.e. your conclusion/question regarding the elimination of Jews and other undesirables.

We know you know what was intended. Apparently your contrarian predisposition, constantly obligates you to look at the black side (no pun intended!!) or negative aspects only.

I normally do not play the one on one game on the forum, but do not care to let an incorrect statement be made about what I said.

You must have missed my previous post on the same subject to go at the very same issues with Bucco again. We call that pokin' the badger with a stick....sometimes also know as not giving a :cus:.

btk

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comparing Obama to Hitler. You may choose to interpret it that way but that is not what it said. Repeating....Obama has many of the traits of the leader at that time. You decided to do a media take on it and make a banquet out of a ham sandwich!

And once again, the following history comment had nothing to do with, was not intended to do with, was not even in the thought process i.e. your conclusion/question regarding the elimination of Jews and other undesirables.

We know you know what was intended. Apparently your contrarian predisposition, constantly obligates you to look at the black side (no pun intended!!) or negative aspects only.

I normally do not play the one on one game on the forum, but do not care to let an incorrect statement be made about what I said.

You must have missed my previous post on the same subject to go at the very same issues with Bucco again. We call that pokin' the badger with a stick....sometimes also know as not giving a :cus:.

btk

Comparing anyone to Hitler is a very dangerous game. That was my point

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Mine was/is not comparison!

Dangerous? Now that is ominous....for clarity of intent see the definition below:

om·i·nous
: being or exhibiting an omen : portentous ; especially : foreboding or foreshadowing evil

btk

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Comparing anyone to Hitler is a very dangerous game. That was my point

Oh, it is huh? You mean it is a dangerous game now, but 8 years of calling Bush that name wasn't dangerous? Could you please, in all your great wisdom, explain that one to me?:MOJE_whot:

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Oh, it is huh? You mean it is a dangerous game now, but 8 years of calling Bush that name wasn't dangerous? Could you please, in all your great wisdom, explain that one to me?:MOJE_whot:

It always gets back to that....but in this case comparing someone to Hitler very different that calling Bush for example, an idiot.

Hitler represents a singular evil....I think you might be able to gasp this comparision.

Can you display any comments made, on this website, directed at Bush that were in some way dangerous?

The ball is in your court.

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It always gets back to that....but in this case comparing someone to Hitler very different that calling Bush for example, an idiot.

Hitler represents a singular evil....I think you might be able to gasp this comparision.

Can you display any comments made, on this website, directed at Bush that were in some way dangerous?

The ball is in your court.

Bush has been called Hitler by many left-leaning moonbats. Actually, I wouldn't insult Hitler by comparing him with the Community activist in Chief.

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Comparing anyone to Hitler is a very dangerous game. That was my point
I don''t know why that would be dangerous. Is there someone to fear?

However, there is a lot of similarity to how they entered the national scene:

- Both ralliy(ed) people though personal charisma.
- Both push(ed) for centralizing all power at the federal level.
- Both believe(d) that access to firearms should be determined solely by the federal government, and private access was to be eliminated.
- Both's party sought/seeks to eliminate any protest or disagreement through federal sanction.
- Both rely(ied) upon the fanaticism of their followers to attack any "disbelievers," not by logic, but by loyalty to the leader.

What difference there will be depends on the future, and whether the power turns to a corrupting force or not. Hitler let the fanatics charge forward when all power was acquired by one party through the Enabling Act of 1933 which abolished the separation of powers (similar to the USA's) and gave the government (e.g., their equivalent of the Executive Branch) the power to enact laws without parliamentary approval.

As we are having bills endorsed or sponsored by the Executive and ramrodded through Congress without people even reading the bills (as the same party leadership controls Congress, effectively eliminating any 'separation of powers'), there is a similarity in the modus operandi.

The question will be how the future will turn. It's doubtful anyone in Germany in 1934 expected what would happen internally and externally from 1937 onward. One would like to believe that the USA's path would not mirror Germany's of earlier times, especially in the persecution which took place.

However, the stronger the federal government gets - at the expense of states' rights and individual rights - the greater the potential to mimic the USSR's history, especially since they always teetered due to a weak economy poorly managed by appointed bureaucrats who fed the party leadership while starving the masses.

Ignorance of history leads to it being repeated. I don't see a repeat of the Nazi Germany of 1934-1945 in the USA,. However, if the fed continues to acquire/stockpile economic and social power within the DC beltway, another one-party circumstance similar to the USSR of 1948-1990 is not far-fetched.

Hopefully, we are smarter than that - but are we?

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Mine was/is not comparison!

Dangerous? Now that is ominous....for clarity of intent see the definition below:

om·i·nous
: being or exhibiting an omen : portentous ; especially : foreboding or foreshadowing evil

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Bucco posted about Obama and his speeches then you posted this:

There was a very well spoken politican in Eorope during

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the late 30's and early 40's who did that very thing.
And he thought he was the messiah.

Self induced...self proclaimed....gobbled up by we the people (them at the time)

like too many here today!

The end result will follow history also.....hopefully in as short a time.

You were comparing a man in the 30's and 40's aka Hitler to the current president.

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bucco posted about obama and his speeches then you posted this:

There was a very well spoken politican in eorope during

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the late 30's and early 40's who did that very thing.
And he thought he was the messiah.

Self induced...self proclaimed....gobbled up by we the people (them at the time)

like too many here

the end result will follow history also.....hopefully in as short a time.

You were comparing a man in the 30's and 40's aka hitler to the current president.


what in the world is your point ?

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Bush has been called Hitler by many left-leaning moonbats. Actually, I wouldn't insult Hitler by comparing him with the Community activist in Chief.

Again not to the point.....where in this forum.

Anything else I would say to you is better left unsaid.

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what in the world is your point ?

My point is it is a comparison....enough said

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My point is it is a comparison....enough said


good...NOW respond to STEVE'S post or respond to one on health care or cap and trade or stimulus bill or the using of the CIA for politics !! I dont think there will be another Palin thread for a bit !

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good...NOW respond to STEVE'S post or respond to one on health care or cap and trade or stimulus bill or the using of the CIA for politics !! I dont think there will be another Palin thread for a bit !

:a20::a20::a20:

I'm sorry I shouldn't have laughed but I couldn't help myself. We finally got a hot day up here and I'm feeling giddy.

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good...NOW respond to STEVE'S post or respond to one on health care or cap and trade or stimulus bill or the using of the CIA for politics !! I don't think there will be another Palin thread for a bit !

I responded to your question....now you want me to what?

Are those things in this thread?

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:a20::a20::a20:

I'm sorry I shouldn't have laughed but I couldn't help myself. We finally got a hot day up here and I'm feeling giddy.


Laughing at yourself?

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You got it straight from the horses @$$! Wrong end, oh my!

Police, fire, schools? All social engineering, not stimulus, but buying votes actually, from a strong Dem base.

We lost jobs in the construction industries so we spend money on teachers? I don't get the connection! Home construction tanks, so hire a fireman? Cut lumber for a living, spend money on police. Loose jobs in auto manufacturing, build roads! Shovel ready jobs! The only thing shovel ready is the depth of the bulls**t coming out of the White house and Congress.

Straight vote buying by Democrats. Smart politician OB! Stretch out the recovery so that come election time the liberal media can praise how you turned the economy around. Not! The economy will turn, on it's own, and the Dems will be in office to claim they archived their goals. How nice and pat.

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gnu....You are a pretty smart cookie...you must be from Massachusetts!!! :beer3:

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Have any of you checked this out? It is a listing of the members who have pledged to read the bill before signing/not signing. Try www.pledgetoread.com. I think that's it.

Oops! Shoulda been in the Health Care Thread. Sorry.

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we put up with Bush for 8 years,now we have Obama for 4 years, if we do not like the way he is running this country,it will be time to vote him out 4 years from now. politicians say what we want hear,they do not care for us ,and until we realize this,they will constantly keep up the fake front. I will never vote for an incumbant.

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we put up with Bush for 8 years,now we have Obama for 4 years, if we do not like the way he is running this country,it will be time to vote him out 4 years from now. politicians say what we want hear,they do not care for us ,and until we realize this,they will constantly keep up the fake front. I will never vote for an incumbant.

Toss the entire 445 from the House in 2010. There has to be 445 other folk in a land of 300,000,000 who can do the job. Add to that the 34 Senators up for reelection in 2010.

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Toss the entire 445 from the House in 2010. There has to be 445 other folk in a land of 300,000,000 who can do the job. Add to that the 34 Senators up for reelection in 2010.


Steve I am with you 110%....I am voting strictly NON INCUMBENT across the board regardless of party !

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Steve I am with you 110%....I am voting strictly NON INCUMBENT across the board regardless of party !

Count me in....I would do almost anything to see Kennedy and Kerry voted out.

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gnu....You are a pretty smart cookie...you must be from Massachusetts!!! :beer3:

:highfive: It takes a Massachusetts Republican to see through the BS, as you well know my statemate

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Especially when it is piled so high.:beer3:







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