Foul mouthed cyclist

[Boudicca]

Yesterday, Hubby and I were driving home south on Morse about 3/4 mile from the gate/exit at 466 prior to Sumter bridge. We enjoy the view across the lake. Traffic was heavy in both car and cart lanes, and moving at a steady pace. In our right cart lane a cyclist enthusiast in full high tech cycling gear simultaneously thrust out his left arm and shot out in front of our car while overtaking a slower moving cart. To say he scared the 💩 out of us, would be an understatement. I screamed and braced for impact. Only my husband's quick reflexes prevented yet another car/bike accident, or worse. My husbands many years of training and driving a police vehicle saved the day. The cyclist wobbled all over the road, having waved his left arm so vigorously he lost control of his bike. My husband yelled in alarm to the cyclist "stay in the cart lane" to which the cyclist yelled "F@CK YOU" while indicating his IQ. It was a very ugly incident, and sadly not so unusual any more . The cyclist hung back (embarrassed, I hope)and eventually took the cart/tunnel under 466. Ugliness and fright caused by one person's lack of patience on a busy road. I could add for good measure the often seen "pack" of cyclist blowing through all the traffic signals at Moyer Loop and Morse, but then I will be repeating a long running thread. No doubt I will also be attacked for daring to call out an ill mannered, but luckily not injured, cyclist.

[biker1]

So you are saying the cyclist had a mouth like a chicken or turkey?


Yesterday, Hubby and I were driving home south on Morse about 3/4 mile from the gate/exit at 466 prior to Sumter bridge. We enjoy the view across the lake. Traffic was heavy in both car and cart lanes, and moving at a steady pace. In our right cart lane a cyclist enthusiast in full high tech cycling gear simultaneously thrust out his left arm and shot out in front of our car while overtaking a slower moving cart. To say he scared the 💩 out of us, would be an understatement. I screamed and braced for impact. Only my husband's quick reflexes prevented yet another car/bike accident, or worse. My husbands many years of training and driving a police vehicle saved the day. The cyclist wobbled all over the road, having waved his left arm so vigorously he lost control of his bike. My husband yelled in alarm to the cyclist "stay in the cart lane" to which the cyclist yelled "F@CK YOU" while indicating his IQ. It was a very ugly incident, and sadly not so unusual any more . The cyclist hung back (embarrassed, I hope)and eventually took the cart/tunnel under 466. Ugliness and fright caused by one person's lack of patience on a busy road. I could add for good measure the often seen "pack" of cyclist blowing through all the traffic signals at Moyer Loop and Morse, but then I will be repeating a long running thread. No doubt I will also be attacked for daring to call out an ill mannered, but luckily not injured, cyclist.

[Chatbrat]

It hooray for me- look at these cyclists-- the most self centered in the Villages--I know I'm about to get trashed but they really push the envelope , especially in a senior citizen community and a community with lots of people trying to learn the lay of the land

[photo1902]

It hooray for me- look at these cyclists-- the most self centered in the Villages--I know I'm about to get trashed but they really push the envelope , especially in a senior citizen community and a community with lots of people trying to learn the lay of the land

The sad reality is that you can say "hooray for me- look at these car drivers, delivery truck drivers, golf cart drivers, etc". Bad driving isn't only isolated to just people trying to stay fit.

[Gordon82]

What exactly is the rule regarding riding a bike in The Villages? Are they required to stay on the multi-modal paths or can they get on the main roads? I sometimes see large groups of cyclists on Buena Vista or some other similar road, so are there exceptions for that size a group that doesn't apply to individual cyclists?

[Boudicca]

It would not have been a problem for the cyclist to have merged into the car/all vehicle lane had he done so properly. Suddenly veering in front of large moving cars, while simultaneously waiving the intent to move left, hardly constitutes safe cycling. But then again, he clearly didn't care. His loud exclamation of "F@CK YOU" was a clear indication of his apparent "superiority" not to mention an impressive command of the English language

[graciegirl]

Shrandell is the ultimate lady, smart woman, kind person and reasonable soul. Her husband is likewise a genuine tried and true good person, a retired police officer with all the wisdom that implies (to me anyhow). If she says this guy is at fault. Then he was.

Sorry this happened and glad no one was physically hurt.

[ColdNoMore]

It would not have been a problem for the cyclist to have merged into the car/all vehicle lane had he done so properly. Suddenly veering in front of large moving cars, while simultaneously waiving the intent to move left, hardly constitutes safe cycling. But then again, he clearly didn't care. His loud exclamation of "F@CK YOU" was a clear indication of his apparent "superiority" not to mention an impressive command of the English language

Being as he was fowl mouthed, maybe he was really saying...flock you? :shrug:



:D

[Paper1]

It would not have been a problem for the cyclist to have merged into the car/all vehicle lane had he done so properly. Suddenly veering in front of large moving cars, while simultaneously waiving the intent to move left, hardly constitutes safe cycling. But then again, he clearly didn't care. His loud exclamation of "F@CK YOU" was a clear indication of his apparent "superiority" not to mention an impressive command of the English language

I'm an avid cyclist is the Villages and agree with you 100%. If your description is accurate my fellow bicycle rider owes your husband an apology for pulling out in front of him and giving you the finger. There are very few of us who ride bikes support that kind of dangerous behavior and attitude. Thank you for posting.

[Boudicca]

Thanks Gracie. It was a very frightening experience, not only a near accident, but the crude response toward us by the cyclist.
BTW I attempted to correct the thread spelling error, but no joy.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

What always strikes me is that cyclists expect cars to give them three feet of clearance (it's the law), but they don't seem to feel the need to give the cars the same buffer.

[ColdNoMore]

BTW I attempted to correct the thread spelling error, but no joy.

No problem on the misspelling (as we all do it)...just teasing a little. :thumbup:

[RickeyD]

Googling the term "F@CK YOU" shows 68 million results, whereas "KISS MY ASS" or "WAY TO GO MEATHEAD" shows 3 and 5 million results respectively. The former seems quite popular.

[dbussone]

What exactly is the rule regarding riding a bike in The Villages? Are they required to stay on the multi-modal paths or can they get on the main roads? I sometimes see large groups of cyclists on Buena Vista or some other similar road, so are there exceptions for that size a group that doesn't apply to individual cyclists?



Nope. They just act that way. Think of a large group of cyclists acting like they are funeral procession.


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[kansasr]

Nope. They just act that way. Think of a large group of cyclists acting like they are funeral procession.


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That made me laugh...last week I was driving down Morse south of 466A and no sooner got around a pack of bicycle riders only to come upon a funeral procession where the sheriff was blocking each rotary as they passed and there was no way around them!

[Gpsma]

I remember a day in my hometown when a group of about twenty cyclists decided to go right thru a stop sign...barely slowing down. I had to stop for them. Little did I realize there was a cop car that had to stop behind me.

When i proceeded he turned on his lights and sirens and pulled them all over.

When i returned from the store he was still busy writing tickets.


Warmed my heart.

[kcrazorbackfan]

It hooray for me- look at these cyclists-- the most self centered in the Villages--I know I'm about to get trashed but they really push the envelope , especially in a senior citizen community and a community with lots of people trying to learn the lay of the land

We rarely agree with each other, but this is one time I'll give you a :thumbup:. Unfortunately, someone on a bike is going to get badly injured or worst, killed by a inattentive driver (or one with a "medical issue") one of there days.

The sad reality is that you can say "hooray for me- look at these car drivers, delivery truck drivers, golf cart drivers, etc". Bad driving isn't only isolated to just people trying to stay fit. There are a lot safer ways to get/stay fit; I've seen some people on bikes that should have been on a bike about 50 lbs. earlier.

[TheDude]

watch this one time when you think cyclists are equal. If there is a stop sign, say in front of the fore house from Eisenhower... ever see ONE CYCLIST stop? See, they follow the rules they want. Heck, I have insurance, I may have said f it and ran into his back. I trust you the payment I make with karma itself comes back, but the karma they get will be a kinder bike rider.

[thelegges]

What exactly is the rule regarding riding a bike in The Villages? Are they required to stay on the multi-modal paths or can they get on the main roads? I sometimes see large groups of cyclists on Buena Vista or some other similar road, so are there exceptions for that size a group that doesn't apply to individual cyclists?

Cyclists are allowed on roads and paths. The exception to the rules of stop signs and basic traffic laws, is cars and carts stop, cyclists choose their own rules.

Sorry I ride, but not in a group. My dare devil times are over, and yep I know when I stop for a sign it does not effect my HR, it called interval exercise and I get to live another day.

[photo1902]

watch this one time when you think cyclists are equal. If there is a stop sign, say in front of the fore house from Eisenhower... ever see ONE CYCLIST stop? See, they follow the rules they want. Heck, I have insurance, I may have said f it and ran into his back. I trust you the payment I make with karma itself comes back, but the karma they get will be a kinder bike rider.

As someone who walks the MMP from Hillsborough to Brownwood, I can assure you that cyclists are not the only ones to blow through the stop sign you are referring to. Not to mention the lazy cart drivers who cross Buena Vista to get to Eisenhower.

[mickey100]

As someone who walks the MMP from Hillsborough to Brownwood, I can assure you that cyclists are not the only ones to blow through the stop sign you are referring to. Not to mention the lazy cart drivers who cross Buena Vista to get to Eisenhower.

I agree. We were driving down Buena Vista yesterday, the flow of traffic is about 40 mph, and there is one of those street legal golf carts puttering along at about 25 mph, holding up traffic, basically causing a safety issue. Everyone is changing lanes trying to go around the guy, so all the cars are weaving in and out of the lane, because this self centered individual can't get himself to use the recreational trail. The point is, don't blame all the cyclists, there are self centered golf cart drivers and car drivers as well, who do unsafe things.

[kcrazorbackfan]

I agree. We were driving down Buena Vista yesterday, the flow of traffic is about 40 mph, and there is one of those street legal golf carts puttering along at about 25 mph, holding up traffic, basically causing a safety issue. Everyone is changing lanes trying to go around the guy, so all the cars are weaving in and out of the lane, because this self centered individual can't get himself to use the recreational trail. The point is, don't blame all the cyclists, there are self centered golf cart drivers and car drivers as well, who do unsafe things.

Yeah, but I bet you won't find the drivers of carts/cars wearing full body spandex. :1rotfl::1rotfl:

[biker1]

The roads are a shared resource. That means cars, street legal golf carts, and bikes are all using the roads, including the 35 mph speed limit roads such as Buena Vista. If there is a slower moving car, street legal golf cart, or bike in front of you, it is up to you to pass them when it is safe and legal to do so. Nobody is being "self centered". They are using a resource that they are paying for. The fact that they aren't going as fast as you want them to go is something you just have to deal with and no amount of whining or complaining is going to change that.

I agree. We were driving down Buena Vista yesterday, the flow of traffic is about 40 mph, and there is one of those street legal golf carts puttering along at about 25 mph, holding up traffic, basically causing a safety issue. Everyone is changing lanes trying to go around the guy, so all the cars are weaving in and out of the lane, because this self centered individual can't get himself to use the recreational trail. The point is, don't blame all the cyclists, there are self centered golf cart drivers and car drivers as well, who do unsafe things.

[photo1902]

Yeah, but I bet you won't find the drivers of carts/cars wearing full body spandex. :1rotfl::1rotfl:

Nor would want to see most cart drivers wearing spandex.

[golfing eagles]

The roads are a shared resource. That means cars, street legal golf carts, and bikes are all using the roads, including the 35 mph speed limit roads such as Buena Vista. If there is a slower moving car, street legal golf cart, or bike in front of you, it is up to you to pass them when it is safe and legal to do so. Nobody is being "self centered". They are using a resource that they are paying for. The fact that they aren't going as fast as you want them to go is something you just have to deal with and no amount of whining or complaining is going to change that.

I actually agree with biker. The rules are the rules. If the powers that be didn't intend it as a shared resource, they could make the speed limit 40 with a minimum speed of 26. Personally, I have less problem with bikers than with street legal carts. It seems bikers are more aware of the safety issues when riding on the roads. Street legal cart drivers seem to feel more entitled, they've paid to have a cart that goes a whole 5 mph faster, and now they want to cram their presence down everyone else's throat. They seem to make more stupid moves than bikers, disobey the same traffic laws, and create an even bigger safety hazard---all to save 3 or 4 minutes. If I had to choose, I'd take the bikers any day. Full disclosure----I haven't been on bicycle since 1974.

[Sandtrap328]

I agree. We were driving down Buena Vista yesterday, the flow of traffic is about 40 mph, and there is one of those street legal golf carts puttering along at about 25 mph, holding up traffic, basically causing a safety issue. Everyone is changing lanes trying to go around the guy, so all the cars are weaving in and out of the lane, because this self centered individual can't get himself to use the recreational trail. The point is, don't blame all the cyclists, there are self centered golf cart drivers and car drivers as well, who do unsafe things.

Well, Mickey, Buena Vista is a 35 mph roadway - not 40. The street legal cart IS allowed on a 35 mph roadway and the cart is restricted to 25 mph by law. The cart was doing the legal thing while the cars going 40 were in the wrong.

[Chatbrat]

Yes the cart is legally right, but driving a vehicle 10 mph under the posted speed limit is not a smart thing to do, you are actually obstructing traffic & creating a hazard

In Fl you can't be ticketed for going 5 mph over the posted speed limit

[NoMoSno]

In Fl you can't be ticketed for going 5 mph over the posted speed limit
Really?...where did you read that?

[Chatbrat]

Its Fl LAW- the most you can get is a WARNING !!!!

[Rapscallion St Croix]

Its Fl LAW- the most you can get is a WARNING !!!!

Not if you do it in a school zone. Fifty buck fine for 1-5 over.

[NoMoSno]

Its Fl LAW- the most you can get is a WARNING !!!!
Florida has what is known as an “absolute” speed limit law. There is no trick to how this works: If the sign says 40 mph and you drive 41 mph or more, you have violated the law. !!!!!
Florida Speeding Laws | DrivingLaws.org (http://www.drivinglaws.org/resources/traffic-tickets/speed-violations/florida-speeding-laws.htm)

[Chatbrat]

I'm talk about real road speeds- sorry I infuriate all you nit pickers--we're talking about Buena Vista & Morse Blvd-- you will not get a penalty for 40 mph on those roads--& if you are driving a Golf cart with a street legal tag on those roads you have a death wish-- it will catch up with you

[Chatbrat]

You will never be stopped for 1 mph over the speed limit in Fl--all there fines are income driven --9 mph hits the BINGO button

and if you're driving 70 mph on I 75 in the left lane you will be tickled-- you are impeding traffic

[graciegirl]

You will never be stopped for 1 mph over the speed limit in Fl--all there fines are income driven --9 mph hits the BINGO button

and if you're driving 70 mph on I 75 in the left lane you will be tickled-- you are impeding traffic

I was taught by the policemen in my family that the fines were due to BREAKING THE LAW. I have seen folks here (not from OHIO) who think stop signs are only suggestions.

[Chatbrat]

Stop signs are absolute--speeding enforcement is subjective

[ronsroni]

The roads are a shared resource. That means cars, street legal golf carts, and bikes are all using the roads, including the 35 mph speed limit roads such as Buena Vista. If there is a slower moving car, street legal golf cart, or bike in front of you, it is up to you to pass them when it is safe and legal to do so. Nobody is being "self centered". They are using a resource that they are paying for. The fact that they aren't going as fast as you want them to go is something you just have to deal with and no amount of whining or complaining is going to change that.
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While the roads ARE, in fact, a shared resource, there are cyclists (as this is the topic) who appear to think that they can make sudden; dangerous moves and risk the causing/sustaining the impact. Unfortunately, in this instance, it sounds as though the cyclist had the Wrong-of-Way. Had the vehicle struck the cyclist, the driver of the auto HAS TO LIVE WITH THAT IMPACT AS WELL. If I hit you due to your own negligence, I have to face the awful feeling in my heart and soul because I am human, not without empathy or sympathy or all other pathy's. It hurts too many when ones actions are not thought out.
Use your heads when driving anything. The fractions of seconds in action over words can be the very time that saves your life.
No tweety flipped here.

[biker1]

I prefer to simply state the facts and prefer to leave the hypotheticals and opinions to others. I also prefer to not attempt to state, as fact, what others are thinking. I will leave that to those who are apparently mind readers.

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While the roads ARE, in fact, a shared resource, there are cyclists (as this is the topic) who appear to think that they can make sudden; dangerous moves and risk the causing/sustaining the impact. Unfortunately, in this instance, it sounds as though the cyclist had the Wrong-of-Way. Had the vehicle struck the cyclist, the driver of the auto HAS TO LIVE WITH THAT IMPACT AS WELL. If I hit you due to your own negligence, I have to face the awful feeling in my heart and soul because I am human, not without empathy or sympathy or all other pathy's. It hurts too many when ones actions are not thought out.
Use your heads when driving anything. The fractions of seconds in action over words can be the very time that saves your life.
No tweety flipped here.

[rubicon]

Florida has what is known as an “absolute” speed limit law. There is no trick to how this works: If the sign says 40 mph and you drive 41 mph or more, you have violated the law. !!!!!
Florida Speeding Laws | DrivingLaws.org (http://www.drivinglaws.org/resources/traffic-tickets/speed-violations/florida-speeding-laws.htm)

I believe you will find its the law around the nation. the variable is the cop. I had a cop give me a ticket on the NYS Thruway for going 5 mph. I took it to my attorney and he spoke to the judge. the judge said, the cop was being a jerk but even if it was 1mph or 15, etc it was over the limit and the cop had the right.

[rubicon]

Googling the term "F@CK YOU" shows 68 million results, whereas "KISS MY ASS" or "WAY TO GO MEATHEAD" shows 3 and 5 million results respectively. The former seems quite popular.

Sad statistic and reflects badly on our society

[Reiver]

Tried to post an answer, but I included a link to the statute... Maybe the post will show up next year.

[biker1]

This is not true. You can be ticketed for driving under the speed limit if you are driving at a speed that is unwarranted by the conditions. In the future, check the statutes before posting.

Its Fl LAW- the most you can get is a WARNING !!!!

[Boudicca]

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While the roads ARE, in fact, a shared resource, there are cyclists (as this is the topic) who appear to think that they can make sudden; dangerous moves and risk the causing/sustaining the impact. Unfortunately, in this instance, it sounds as though the cyclist had the Wrong-of-Way. Had the vehicle struck the cyclist, the driver of the auto HAS TO LIVE WITH THAT IMPACT AS WELL. If I hit you due to your own negligence, I have to face the awful feeling in my heart and soul because I am human, not without empathy or sympathy or all other pathy's. It hurts too many when ones actions are not thought out.
Use your heads when driving anything. The fractions of seconds in action over words can be the very time that saves your life.
No tweety flipped here.
You are absolutely correct in your statement of feelings associated with accidents incurring injuries. We drove home in a constant state of all the "what if's"...

[gbburgess]

I ride the multi modal trails each week. I run with the golf cart speeds. I have never really had a problem until the last couple of months. I follow the Colorado rule - 3 or more behind and I pull over. However, I have been run off by golf carts from behind and swerved at from across the lanes. So it is not JUST bikers. I also ride the less traveled roads and agree that the bike groups blow stop signs and stop lights. Poor practice at best and somone will eventually get hurt again. As for the main roads - not a thought on riding them - to narrow and to fast - even if bikes have the same right of way as cars by state law. Cars outweigh bikes by thousands of pounds.

[klough53]

No excuse for the language but it cuts both ways. Nearly killed by a motorist trying to pass me in the middle of making a right turn while riding a recumbant trike at Enrique and Chapparal.

[57ChevyFI]

What exactly is the rule regarding riding a bike in The Villages? Are they required to stay on the multi-modal paths or can they get on the main roads? I sometimes see large groups of cyclists on Buena Vista or some other similar road, so are there exceptions for that size a group that doesn't apply to individual cyclists?

The have the same rules and right as cars and will become irate when you don't follow the rules while they don't stop for stop sign, stop lights, ride two abreast, pass on the right of cars etc. but make sure you follow the rules or they get miffed in their little tighties.

[kcrazorbackfan]

No excuse for the language but it cuts both ways. Nearly killed by a motorist trying to pass me in the middle of making a right turn while riding a recumbant trike at Enrique and Chapparal.

You mean one of those bike where your a** is close to dragging the ground? It's hard for a lot of these elderly drivers here to see something at eye level; do you seriously think they're going to see you and your bike close to the ground? Forget the visibility flags you may have, their eyes may only think they're seeing survey flags.

Sorry if you don't like what I say; I've worked many, many accidents due to inattentiveness and also people not using common sense.

[Fredster]

I'm an avid cyclist is the Villages and agree with you 100%. If your description is accurate my fellow bicycle rider owes your husband an apology for pulling out in front of him and giving you the finger. There are very few of us who ride bikes support that kind of dangerous behavior and attitude. Thank you for posting.

It was nice to read your response, since it is nice to know there are a few thoughtful cyclists around.

[Fredster]

The sad reality is that you can say "hooray for me- look at these car drivers, delivery truck drivers, golf cart drivers, etc". Bad driving isn't only isolated to just people trying to stay fit.

When I see cyclists blowing stop signs, riding recumbents on Buena Vista,
or just riding in heavy vehicular traffic,
it comes to mind that they have greatly
increased their chances of becoming a very fit fatality!

[Retiring]

Is the gist of this thread that TV has rude, and incompetent drivers like every other town on the planet?

Head on a swivel people.

[Fredster]

Is the gist of this thread that TV has rude, and incompetent drivers like every other town on the planet?

Head on a swivel people.

No, please read the original post, it just got off track like most threads do on TOV. :icon_wink:

[Happydaz]

When I see cyclists blowing stop signs, riding recumbents on Buena Vista,
or just riding in heavy vehicular traffic,
it comes to mind that they have greatly
increased their chances of becoming a very fit fatality!

Very engrossing topic. I see a lot of mentions of fatalities here. It would be interesting to see a comparison of bicyclist fatalities and compare that to golf cart and automobile fatalities around The Villages. It appears that golf cart and car drivers are better protected and more careful than bicyclists so their fatalities should be lower. Fitness is way overrated.

[Polar Bear]

...Fitness is way overrated.
No, it's not.

Sensible bicyclists are no more at risk than car or cart drivers/passengers.

[biker1]

I really shouldn't have to state this but what the heck. Rolling through stop signs appears to be the favorite sport of cars and golf carts in The Villages. I see it happen very frequently. Cyclists also roll through stop signs but I can assure you that this happens when it is clear to do so. I am sure some non-rider will now come on to post about how they saw a cyclist roll through a stop sign and it wasn't clear to do so - fine, whatever. The vast majority of cyclists are keenly aware of what is going on around them and their focus is on avoiding collisions. I would assume the vast majority of those who criticize cyclists don't ride so they really have no idea what they are talking about. If you ride regularly in The Villages you will encounter remarkably rude behavior by car drivers. Please notice that you don't see cyclists posting every occurrence on Talks of the Villages. When you see cyclists, give them a wide berth - they are interested in staying as far away from cars and golf carts as possible. Regarding the issuance of unsolicited advice about the risks of riding, please note that cyclists don't come on this forum to advise you about the risks of whatever it is you choose to do.

When I see cyclists blowing stop signs, riding recumbents on Buena Vista,
or just riding in heavy vehicular traffic,
it comes to mind that they have greatly
increased their chances of becoming a very fit fatality!

[ColdNoMore]

I really shouldn't have to state this but what the heck. Rolling through stop signs appears to be the favorite sport of cars and golf carts in The Villages. I see it happen very frequently. Cyclists also roll through stop signs but I can assure you that this happens when it is clear to do so. I am sure some non-rider will now come on to post about how they saw a cyclist roll through a stop sign and it wasn't clear to do so - fine, whatever. The vast majority of cyclists are keenly aware of what is going on around them and their focus is on avoiding collisions. I would assume the vast majority of those who criticize cyclists don't ride so they really have no idea what they are talking about. If you ride regularly in The Villages you will encounter remarkably rude behavior by car drivers. Please notice that you don't see cyclists posting every occurrence on Talks of the Villages. When you see cyclists, give them a wide berth - they are interested in staying as far away from cars and golf carts as possible. Regarding the issuance of unsolicited advice about the risks of riding, please note that cyclists don't come on this forum to advise you about the risks of whatever it is you choose to do.

LOL

The underlined/highlighted above, is the perfect example... of the hypocritical arrogance of a lot of cyclists. :oops:

Cart drivers who run stop signs, are probably using the exact same excuse (make no mistake, it's simply an excuse)...for breaking the law.

As far as no bikers coming on here and complaining, I have seen numerous comments from cyclists in the +-10 months I've been here...that belies that statement.

I believe in sharing the road with cyclists and try to give them plenty of room...but I also believe that knife cuts both ways. :ho:

After all, the likelihood that the cyclist will come out on the short end of the stick versus a car/cart, should they be involved in an incident (regardless of who is 'at fault')...are pretty darned high. :shrug:

[photo1902]

Very engrossing topic. I see a lot of mentions of fatalities here. It would be interesting to see a comparison of bicyclist fatalities and compare that to golf cart and automobile fatalities around The Villages. It appears that golf cart and car drivers are better protected and more careful than bicyclists so their fatalities should be lower. Fitness is way overrated.

As of June 2015, there have been 13 golf cart fatalities in the past seven years in The Villages. I could be wrong, but I can't recall a bicyclist fatality.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

No, it's not.

Sensible bicyclists are no more at risk than car or cart drivers/passengers.

You need to provide this information to the CDC as they have it all wrong,

"While only 1% of all trips taken in the U.S. are by bicycle, bicyclists face a higher risk of crash-related injury and deaths than occupants of motor vehicles do."

[Polar Bear]

You need to provide this information to the CDC as they have it all wrong,

"While only 1% of all trips taken in the U.S. are by bicycle, bicyclists face a higher risk of crash-related injury and deaths than occupants of motor vehicles do."
No they don't have it all wrong...their dataset is ALL bicyclists. My claim that you quoted was limited to "sensible bicyclists"...dramatically smaller dataset...heheh.

Besides...this is just my opinion...bicycling in TV, if you use the MMP's in a sensible (there's that word again) and responsible manner, is much safer than what might be inferred from a statistic based upon the all-bicycle-trips-taken-in-the-US scenario referenced above. MUCH safer.

[Reiver]

The difference in fatalities is likely due to safety equipment more than any behavioral issues. Sgt. Robert Siemer of the Sumter County Sheriff’s Office claimed that every one of those fatalities involved a person being ejected from the golf cart, with their heads hitting either the pavement or a tree.

[toeser]

I ride over 5,000 miles per year. I hate bikers who do stuff like that because it gives some people a bad attitude towards the rest of us.

It's not just bikers who are the problem, it's anyone who is inconsiderate of others using the roads and paths. That can be bikers, cart drivers, car drivers, and even pedestrians.

Two days ago, I came far too close to hitting a golf cart which did not have it's lights on well before sun-up. I have had a couple of cart drivers yell at me (when on my bike) that I should not be on the multi-modal path. I have come up behind pedestrians walking four abreast on multi-modal paths. I have encountered cars that drifted a good two-feet into the cart path.

Worst case ever - I was riding south on the cart path adjacent to Morse. I ride quite far to the right to avoid being hit by a wandering car. With very heavy car traffic, a golf cart passed between me and a solid line of cars. He cleared me by no more than one foot.

Try to be nice, everyone.

[ColdNoMore]

I ride over 5,000 miles per year. I hate bikers who do stuff like that because it gives some people a bad attitude towards the rest of us.

It's not just bikers who are the problem, it's anyone who is inconsiderate of others using the roads and paths. That can be bikers, cart drivers, car drivers, and even pedestrians.

Two days ago, I came far too close to hitting a golf cart which did not have it's lights on well before sun-up. I have had a couple of cart drivers yell at me (when on my bike) that I should not be on the multi-modal path. I have come up behind pedestrians walking four abreast on multi-modal paths. I have encountered cars that drifted a good two-feet into the cart path.

Worst case ever - I was riding south on the cart path adjacent to Morse. I ride quite far to the right to avoid being hit by a wandering car. With very heavy car traffic, a golf cart passed between me and a solid line of cars. He cleared me by no more than one foot.

Try to be nice, everyone.

Good post. :thumbup:

If all bike riders (and cart drivers/pedestrians) would simply be more courteous, obey traffic signals and slow down when passing each other...there would be a lot less hard feelings and close calls. :shrug:

[VApeople]

Worst case ever - I was riding south on the cart path adjacent to Morse. I ride quite far to the right to avoid being hit by a wandering car. With very heavy car traffic, a golf cart passed between me and a solid line of cars. He cleared me by no more than one foot.


The only way to avoid these types of situations is to stop "riding south on the cart path adjacent to Morse".

People are not going to change. When I am in a situation that threatens my life, I try to avoid that situation in the future.

[biker1]

I generally avoid the MMPs. I prefer the 4-lane roads like Buena Vista and Morse although they can be busy this time of year in the afternoons. I find the roundabouts the most challenging and visibility is the key. People shooting into the roundabouts from the neighborhood entrances without looking is something to watch out for.

I ride over 5,000 miles per year. I hate bikers who do stuff like that because it gives some people a bad attitude towards the rest of us.

It's not just bikers who are the problem, it's anyone who is inconsiderate of others using the roads and paths. That can be bikers, cart drivers, car drivers, and even pedestrians.

Two days ago, I came far too close to hitting a golf cart which did not have it's lights on well before sun-up. I have had a couple of cart drivers yell at me (when on my bike) that I should not be on the multi-modal path. I have come up behind pedestrians walking four abreast on multi-modal paths. I have encountered cars that drifted a good two-feet into the cart path.

Worst case ever - I was riding south on the cart path adjacent to Morse. I ride quite far to the right to avoid being hit by a wandering car. With very heavy car traffic, a golf cart passed between me and a solid line of cars. He cleared me by no more than one foot.

Try to be nice, everyone.

[robinsdw2]

They fail to realize it's for their own safety but it also can show the class of some of the folks riding bicycles. The cyclists seem to have the philosophy that they don't need to abide by the rules of the road just like and automobile. They especially don't stop at stop signs and I had one just pull out in front of me after not abiding by the stop sign coming out of Talley Ridge to Buena Vista. Had I not been paying particular attention or on a phone like many drivers I would have run right over you and it would not have been my fault. Cyclists need to be law abiding and attentive.

[robinsdw2]

It's not just cyclists with foul mouths, there are a lot of folks with foul mouth language. I think many folks never learned how to use the English language.

[Polar Bear]

IMO the MMP's are safer for a lone bicyclist, at least one riding a hybrid. I ride a hybrid so I can easily go onto the grass along the path any time I choose to. I will admit that is a big part of my reason for believing the MMP is safer. If I were on a road bike and had to stay on the pavement at all times, it would not be as easy to always feel safe.

I always try to time my entrance into a divided section (narrow pavement) so that a cart is not coming up closely behind me. I ride quickly through the divided sections so I spend as little time as possible in them. Since I'm biking for exercise this is no problem. It's just part of my routine. If a cart approaches from behind when I'm in a divided section or if carts are also approaching from the front, that is when I take to the grass as needed. It's not required that often, but I usually do it at least once each ride. And I want to stress, going off into the grass is very easy on a hybrid bike using proper technique. No problem at all.

The only potential snag to this approach is if a cart is approaching from behind and the section of divided path is lined with landscaping...no grass. This is an infrequent and easily avoided occurrence. Attention to one's surroundings and a willingness to occasionally speed up/slow down as needed makes this a non-issue.

[Dennis and Rose]

Life should be like hockey. When someone annoys you like that, you should be allowed to beat the crap out of them, then spend five minutes or so in a penalty box.:1rotfl:

[Dave@TV]

"The roads are a shared resource. That means cars, street legal golf carts, and bikes are all using the roads, including the 35 mph speed limit roads such as Buena Vista. If there is a slower moving car, street legal golf cart, or bike in front of you, it is up to you to pass them when it is safe and legal to do so. Nobody is being "self centered". They are using a resource that they are paying for. The fact that they aren't going as fast as you want them to go is something you just have to deal with and no amount of whining or complaining is going to change that."


Well said.

[golfing eagles]

IMO the MMP's are safer for a lone bicyclist, at least one riding a hybrid. I ride a hybrid so I can easily go onto the grass along the path any time I choose to. I will admit that is a big part of my reason for believing the MMP is safer. If I were on a road bike and had to stay on the pavement at all times, it would not be as easy to always feel safe.

I always try to time my entrance into a divided section (narrow pavement) so that a cart is not coming up closely behind me. I ride quickly through the divided sections so I spend as little time as possible in them. Since I'm biking for exercise this is no problem. It's just part of my routine. If a cart approaches from behind when I'm in a divided section or if carts are also approaching from the front, that is when I take to the grass as needed. It's not required that often, but I usually do it at least once each ride. And I want to stress, going off into the grass is very easy on a hybrid bike using proper technique. No problem at all.

The only potential snag to this approach is if a cart is approaching from behind and the section of divided path is lined with landscaping...no grass. This is an infrequent and easily avoided occurrence. Attention to one's surroundings and a willingness to occasionally speed up/slow down as needed makes this a non-issue.

Very sensible approach, but in a perfect world would be totally unnecessary. When I approach a cyclist from behind on a divided section, I just slow down and stay 100 feet behind until that section ends and it safe to pass. Time cost, on average, 40 seconds. Human cost---could be saving a life. And probably most of the cart drivers who get pi$$ed at a bike on the divided section are the same ones who get mad when a car approaches their cart in the same aggressive manner.

[OhioBuckeye]

Yesterday, Hubby and I were driving home south on Morse about 3/4 mile from the gate/exit at 466 prior to Sumter bridge. We enjoy the view across the lake. Traffic was heavy in both car and cart lanes, and moving at a steady pace. In our right cart lane a cyclist enthusiast in full high tech cycling gear simultaneously thrust out his left arm and shot out in front of our car while overtaking a slower moving cart. To say he scared the 💩 out of us, would be an understatement. I screamed and braced for impact. Only my husband's quick reflexes prevented yet another car/bike accident, or worse. My husbands many years of training and driving a police vehicle saved the day. The cyclist wobbled all over the road, having waved his left arm so vigorously he lost control of his bike. My husband yelled in alarm to the cyclist "stay in the cart lane" to which the cyclist yelled "F@CK YOU" while indicating his IQ. It was a very ugly incident, and sadly not so unusual any more . The cyclist hung back (embarrassed, I hope)and eventually took the cart/tunnel under 466. Ugliness and fright caused by one person's lack of patience on a busy road. I could add for good measure the often seen "pack" of cyclist blowing through all the traffic signals at Moyer Loop and Morse, but then I will be repeating a long running thread. No doubt I will also be attacked for daring to call out an ill mannered, but luckily not injured, cyclist.

You know you're exactly right & the carts are the same way exactly, but not everybody. Yea, you hit the nail square on the head, their IQ must be about 10. It's been in the paper several times about cars HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY, not carts or bikes. These people probably were bullies all of their lives or always think they're right. Just wish The Villages Sun News would print up flyers & put them in EVERYBODIES mail boxes, & also just up on the top page of the Daily Sun in one paragraph saying very simply, "Cars have the right away, not carts & bikes". The roads in TV are county roads not owned by TV's. There's a lot of arrogant A$$ holes here in TV, we're not perfect. So to the low IQ A$$ holes out there. If you want to live, respect the cars because you're at fault! :BigApplause:

[biker1]

I am not sure what circumstances you are referring to but "right of way" is defined by the situation based on the state statutes. Bikes are subject to the same rules of the road as cars. To suggest that cars have some intrinsic "right of way" legal advantage over bikes is inconsistent with what is in the state statutes.

You know you're exactly right & the carts are the same way exactly, but not everybody. Yea, you hit the nail square on the head, their IQ must be about 10. It's been in the paper several times about cars HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY, not carts or bikes. These people probably were bullies all of their lives or always think they're right. Just wish The Villages Sun News would print up flyers & put them in EVERYBODIES mail boxes, & also just up on the top page of the Daily Sun in one paragraph saying very simply, "Cars have the right away, not carts & bikes". The roads in TV are county roads not owned by TV's. There's a lot of arrogant A$$ holes here in TV, we're not perfect. So to the low IQ A$$ holes out there. If you want to live, respect the cars because you're at fault! :BigApplause:

[Fastskiguy]

I also ride about 5,000 miles per year and live NW of Chicago. We get to our home in TV a few times per year and I really love biking there. Good roads and....for the most part...courteous drivers, much (much!) better than at home. The vast majority of riders want to get along with cars as we are wearing....well, not much in the way of protective gear ;) Bikes a required to follow the same rules as cars. If a biker signals and changes lanes in front of you then you can't just "rear end" him any more than you can rear end a car in that situation.

In the OP it sounds like the guy was having a bad day. He was probably surprised there was a car there too as there is no way anybody would willingly pull in front of a rapidly overtaking vehicle. Fear + embarrassment + maybe in a bad mood = some people turn into jerks. Thanks for not hitting him :)

Joe

[Polar Bear]

Very sensible approach, but in a perfect world would be totally unnecessary...
Only one possible reply to that...

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

...When I approach a cyclist from behind on a divided section, I just slow down and stay 100 feet behind until that section ends and it safe to pass. Time cost, on average, 40 seconds...
Also a very sensible approach. But my main motivation...and what should every biker's main motivation...is self-preservation. So I'm not going to assume all cart drivers will exercise your degree of common sense, courtesy and caution. :)

[Chatbrat]

Its not being right, its not being DEAD right or dead from the neck down--if you're in cart or a bike & you tie with a car, you will lose

Your estate will plead your case

[golfing eagles]

Only one possible reply to that...

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

OMG It's taken almost 2 years but I've finally got you to use :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:. Mission accomplished:MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Polar Bear]

OMG It's taken almost 2 years but I've finally got you to use :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:. Mission accomplished:MOJE_whot::MOJE_whot::1rotfl::1rotfl:
:ho:

[bbbbbb]

Here are some thoughts on bicycles.
You can be on the Multii Modal paths, you need to be cautious of walkers and Golf carts.
You can be on the streets in the Villages, however, it is a requirement that you ride not more than two riders side by side and you must obey all traffic laws, stops and signals etc.
BEYOND THE LAW ITEMS,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, REMEMBER, It is wise to be cautious, to be courteous, at all times, to be on guard and take all precautions, be safe.

bbbbbb:MOJE_whot:

[BobnBev]

The difference in fatalities is likely due to safety equipment more than any behavioral issues. Sgt. Robert Siemer of the Sumter County Sheriff’s Office claimed that every one of those fatalities involved a person being ejected from the golf cart, with their heads hitting either the pavement or a tree.

BTW, he's now LT. Siemer.:police:

[OhioBuckeye]

I am not sure what circumstances you are referring to but "right of way" is defined by the situation based on the state statutes. Bikes are subject to the same rules of the road as cars. To suggest that cars have some intrinsic "right of way" legal advantage over bikes is inconsistent with what is in the state statutes.

BIKER1, I hear what you're saying but if you get hit by a car while riding a bike, the bike is going to get sited, unless the biker or golf cart can prove that the car hit them deliberately. It's right in the by-laws of TV. I agree it doesn't seem right but if any biker or golf cart wants to mix it up with a car, it's their life. Like I said before the roads in TV are county roads not maintained by TV & state laws also say golf carts in any state aren't suppose to be on Hwy, county Rd. back Rd. or State Rd. Just be careful & not get hit!

[Fastskiguy]

BIKER1, I hear what you're saying but if you get hit by a car while riding a bike, the bike is going to get sited, unless the biker or golf cart can prove that the car hit them deliberately. It's right in the by-laws of TV. I agree it doesn't seem right but if any biker or golf cart wants to mix it up with a car, it's their life. Like I said before the roads in TV are county roads not maintained by TV & state laws also say golf carts in any state aren't suppose to be on Hwy, county Rd. back Rd. or State Rd. Just be careful & not get hit!

You're suggesting that a car can run over a biker from behind and the bike will get the ticket? That doesn't sound right.

[biker1]

As I already stated, "right of way" is defined by the situation according to the state statutes. Your assertion that a bike would get cited if hit by a car is nonsensical without setting the context of who actually had the right of way. It is the same as if a car hit another car, since the rules of the road apply to car and bikes. The state statutes are easily found online.

BIKER1, I hear what you're saying but if you get hit by a car while riding a bike, the bike is going to get sited, unless the biker or golf cart can prove that the car hit them deliberately. It's right in the by-laws of TV. I agree it doesn't seem right but if any biker or golf cart wants to mix it up with a car, it's their life. Like I said before the roads in TV are county roads not maintained by TV & state laws also say golf carts in any state aren't suppose to be on Hwy, county Rd. back Rd. or State Rd. Just be careful & not get hit!

[biker1]

It isn't correct. Some of the posts on Talk of the Villages remind me of the old Art Linkletter Show "Kids say the darndest things".

You're suggesting that a car can run over a biker from behind and the bike will get the ticket? That doesn't sound right.

[Casper'smom]

Noooo that would FOWL!! 🐔🐔🐔🐔

[Casper'smom]

Thanks Gracie. It was a very frightening experience, not only a near accident, but the crude response toward us by the cyclist.
BTW I attempted to correct the thread spelling error, but no joy.
Lol my response was for the man that referenced "the bird fowl" not yours. Sorry if that is what you thought!

[Polar Bear]

...Your assertion that a bike would get cited if hit by a car is nonsensical without setting the context of who actually had the right of way...
Very true.

[Chatbrat]

Really thinking about getting a dash cam, but only show it to your lawyer

[GaryW]

Cyclists are allowed on roads and paths. The exception to the rules of stop signs and basic traffic laws, is cars and carts stop, cyclists choose their own rules.

Sorry I ride, but not in a group. My dare devil times are over, and yep I know when I stop for a sign it does not effect my HR, it called interval exercise and I get to live another day.

:1rotfl:
Now that is funny. Cars and Carts stop. Bahwaaaaaaaaa
I need tissues to wipe the tears from Laughing so hard.

While I agree if happened what the OP said. That is wrong. But to jump to the point that cars and carts and everyone stops but cyclist. That is 10000% ROTFLMAO

Just Sayin. Heck I worry more about cycling thru the villages getting hit by a car driving the wrong direction in my lane, then telling them and they tell me stay off the road. IMAGINE THAT.

True Story,, CR-101 by Crispers.

[GaryW]

Yeah, but I bet you won't find the drivers of carts/cars wearing full body spandex. :1rotfl::1rotfl:

I agree,,, excatly why they are in cars and carts. :loco:

[GaryW]

BIKER1, I hear what you're saying but if you get hit by a car while riding a bike, the bike is going to get sited, unless the biker or golf cart can prove that the car hit them deliberately. It's right in the by-laws of TV. I agree it doesn't seem right but if any biker or golf cart wants to mix it up with a car, it's their life. Like I said before the roads in TV are county roads not maintained by TV & state laws also say golf carts in any state aren't suppose to be on Hwy, county Rd. back Rd. or State Rd. Just be careful & not get hit!


I am totally lost on this one. Not sure what to think. Kinda sounds like maybe trying to say, if your not in a car stay off the roads because only cars have the right of way. Oh Snap, Wait a second. I do remember a car hitting a cyclist at the round-a-bout not long ago on Morse and Pinellas. Let me see, Let me see. Oh Yea the car tried to make a right turn at the first circle from the left lane and ran into the cyclist. I do remember the car getting the ticket for failure to yield right of way. But then again maybe the FHP Trooper was not clued into "LAWS" that pertain only to Villagers and any traffic the flows in the "Villages"
I have read some funny stuff on here before, but dang :1rotfl::1rotfl::22yikes: that takes the cake..

I guess if a car hits a car, who gets the ticket if they both say I DID NOT DO IT. I almost fell out of my chair thinking about the possibilites.

If it were not for the likes of Gracie Girl on here I might say something that would get me in trouble.
I love cycling, and all of my friends do. We ride all over the place. I know alot of cyclist do not abide by the laws as all other vehicles cars, trucks, boats, planes, carts, do not abide by the laws all the time either. This post started out as a tale of a rude biker telling the car that almost hit him they were number 1. But that turns into a biker bash. That is the norm on the forum. The only time I rant on here as in now, is when these types of post happen. I could go on for hours about the stories I have seen and heard while cycling around the villages.
It is a retirement community. Retire take your time. Enjoy all the cyclist and carts and people living life. No need to bash anyone. They are rude people in all vehicles in The Villages. Not just on bikes.

[OhioBuckeye]

You're suggesting that a car can run over a biker from behind and the bike will get the ticket? That doesn't sound right.

OK, I see your point!