Insurers 'Spinning' Some Data To Shape Reform

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"By 72 to 20 percent, Americans favor the creation of a public plan, the June survey by the New York Times and CBS News found. People also said that they thought government would do a better job than private insurers of holding down health-care costs and providing coverage."

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Daily-Reports/2009/July/22/Insurance-Industry.aspx

[Guest]

"By 72 to 20 percent, Americans favor the creation of a public plan, the June survey by the New York Times and CBS News found. People also said that they thought government would do a better job than private insurers of holding down health-care costs and providing coverage."

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Daily-Reports/2009/July/22/Insurance-Industry.aspx


KAYAKER...do you support the current plan as much as we know ?

PS: I know of very few who do not support reform of some kind

[Guest]

A month old New York Times Poll???? LOL

[Guest]

KAYAKER...do you support the current plan as much as we know ?

PS: I know of very few who do not support reform of some kind

What "current plan" do you have in mind?
At this point, they are still throwing concepts at the wall to see what sticks. Mandatory participation seems to be the only commonality (so far).

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commenting on? There was less to know then than available now.
The poll was obviously responded to by partisan loyalists or those who know nothing except what Obama reads to the.

[Guest]

What "current plan" do you have in mind?
At this point, they are still throwing concepts at the wall to see what sticks. Mandatory participation seems to be the only commonality (so far).

My concern in the end is a simple one. The government has proven to be less-than-efficient in managing Medicare. The fraud rate alone is abyssmal. Provders complain about the paperwork, payment limits and payment delays. No plan so far really defines the efforts to make the administration of it work. And nothing indicates any plan has been thought out to what will make it work.

If the national consensus is indeed to have a national health care system - which has to operate in all states down to the village level - then have the sense to follow the model done up North with a much smaller population and fewer governmental levels. That model says: start small; make that work; go to another level and make that one work; make sure the systems can intercommunicate and interoperate effectively at level; continue adding more levels until the entire network works smoothly.

The principles of system management apply when going from zero to 100 with something new and/or unique. They are tried and true from everything to include developing and fielding an interstate highway network to creating a worldwide package delivery system (FedEx, UPS, DHL, etc.). Yet, nothing in any of the bills do anything except say "the Secretary will promulgate regulations" and similar legislative boilerplate.

Sorry, but if I'm to trust a new health system with my life and my family's lives, I'd like it developed and fielded correctly, and not thrown together as a political stewpot. And I don't trust that it will "just happen" because Congress voted for vague language. This is too important to do half-@$$*&.

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reacted to the question:
Why such a hurry for the health care reform?

He responded by saying that was mis information. That health care has been on the agenda for the last 16 years!!!!!!!!!!! His colleagues are well aware of the needs of the program and there is plenty of time to get it done.

I am not sure if any executive for any organization would brag about studying anything for 16 years and ACCOMPLISHING nothing!!!!!!
They do not even realize the incredible stupidity they portray when they try to blunt a direct question. (Sorry I do not remember his name).

btk

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What "current plan" do you have in mind?
At this point, they are still throwing concepts at the wall to see what sticks. Mandatory participation seems to be the only commonality (so far).

Kayaker, you know...the current plan called H.R. 3200 that was introduced last week on July 17, 2009. It had all that sticky stuff you refer to and was included in a recent post titled, "Obama Health Care Bill -Have you read it."

I try not to engage in this dueling cut and paste links thing. I'd rather hear opinions or at least links tempered by opinion. Anyway....here's a link for the skeptical, those left of center or those who think we're still in the concept stage.

http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:4lrN0HqPUC4J:www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd%3Fbill%3Dh111-3200+h.r.+3200&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us