Obamacare replacement

[dave harris]

Has any one seen it, republicans would like to see it, is this what is called transparency? trump railed about, we need transparency in government.

[Chi-Town]

Where is the new immigration executive order that was due days ago?

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[Sandtrap328]

Trump said, "On Day One, I will repeal Obamacare!" The Regressives have not come up with a replacement plan even though they had 7 YEARS to build one - and Obamacare has not been replaced nor repealed.

Trump is a loudmouth who fooled Americans.

I will be laughing when a replacement plan comes out that takes so many Regressives out of their health insurance plans and they are so uninsurable due to pre-existing conditions or have lifetime caps on benefits.

[Don Baldwin]

Trump said, "On Day One, I will repeal Obamacare!" The Regressives have not come up with a replacement plan even though they had 7 YEARS to build one - and Obamacare has not been replaced nor repealed.

Trump is a loudmouth who fooled Americans.

I will be laughing when a replacement plan comes out that takes so many Regressives out of their health insurance plans and they are so uninsurable due to pre-existing conditions or have lifetime caps on benefits.

It MUST happen...it's unsustainable any other way.

If you were a white man...you could understand that.

To "pay for" $1 million in healthcare costs...you would have to be 80 years old...AND made 960 monthly payments...your entire life...of over $1,000 a month. To break even.

The ONLY way to give everyone healthcare is to bring the cost WAY down. Make medicine non-profit.

[Rockyrd]

Trump said, "On Day One, I will repeal Obamacare!" The Regressives have not come up with a replacement plan even though they had 7 YEARS to build one - and Obamacare has not been replaced nor repealed.

Trump is a loudmouth who fooled Americans.

I will be laughing when a replacement plan comes out that takes so many Regressives out of their health insurance plans and they are so uninsurable due to pre-existing conditions or have lifetime caps on benefits.


"Trump is a loudmouth who fooled Americans."

Yes, and unless he delivers jobs, it will become more evident and more pronounced as time goes on.

[jchase]

Get over it! You lost!

[MDLNB]

Any solution will be better than Obamacare, including NO solution but repealing it.

[dillywho]

Trump said, "On Day One, I will repeal Obamacare!" The Regressives have not come up with a replacement plan even though they had 7 YEARS to build one - and Obamacare has not been replaced nor repealed.

Trump is a loudmouth who fooled Americans.

I will be laughing when a replacement plan comes out that takes so many Regressives out of their health insurance plans and they are so uninsurable due to pre-existing conditions or have lifetime caps on benefits.

He HAS stated the parts of Obamacare that they will use: Pre-existing conditions and kids up to 26 at home. Did you conveniently dismiss that part or just haven't paid attention? Day one was the start, not the end. People who did not conform to having Obamacare because of the expense already do not get a penalty. At least, it won't be "pass it to see what's in it", this time. He wants insurance companies to be able to be bought across state lines. If you can find better and/or cheaper in another state, they can sell it to you. Right now, Obamacare is still in place, so what's the panic? Do you take everything everyone says literally?

[affald]

It MUST happen...it's unsustainable any other way.

If you were a white man...you could understand that.

To "pay for" $1 million in healthcare costs...you would have to be 80 years old...AND made 960 monthly payments...your entire life...of over $1,000 a month. To break even.

The ONLY way to give everyone healthcare is to bring the cost WAY down. Make medicine non-profit.
The Republicans and Democrats together created the health system. They love the lobby money and the "jobs" given to them after public service, jobs to relatives and numerous other kickbacks.

Philly-area firm leads the hospital-bill fight vs. the $500 Tylenol — NewsWorks (http://www.newsworks.org/index.php/local/the-pulse/62231-inside-the-complicated-world-of-medical-billing)

It's organized crime at the highest level. The health care system is not alone.

Only a guy like Trump can make fundamental changes. But liberal voters are too stupid and are bring brainwashed.

BOOM!

[dave harris]

Get over it! You lost!

I think in the end you will have lost.

[dave harris]

Any solution will be better than Obamacare, including NO solution but repealing it.

I'd love to see, you only, lose your health care.

[dave harris]

The Republicans and Democrats together created the health system. They love the lobby money and the "jobs" given to them after public service, jobs to relatives and numerous other kickbacks.

Philly-area firm leads the hospital-bill fight vs. the $500 Tylenol — NewsWorks (http://www.newsworks.org/index.php/local/the-pulse/62231-inside-the-complicated-world-of-medical-billing)

It's organized crime at the highest level. The health care system is not alone.

Only a guy like Trump can make fundamental changes. But liberal voters are too stupid and are bring brainwashed.

BOOM!

Yes, he is full of plans for health care, where are they. He is a con man and you have been conned but will not admit it. You are just like the rest of the sheep.

[Sandtrap328]

He HAS stated the parts of Obamacare that they will use: Pre-existing conditions and kids up to 26 at home. Did you conveniently dismiss that part or just haven't paid attention? Day one was the start, not the end. People who did not conform to having Obamacare because of the expense already do not get a penalty. At least, it won't be "pass it to see what's in it", this time. He wants insurance companies to be able to be bought across state lines. If you can find better and/or cheaper in another state, they can sell it to you. Right now, Obamacare is still in place, so what's the panic? Do you take everything everyone says literally?

Trump and the Dumplicans have said they agree the pre-existing conditions clause, the kids under 26, and no lifetime caps are good and want them kept. However, the insurance companies do not like those clauses and will NOT agree to them again. If Obamacare is repealed, these clauses will be GONE forever before the replacement plan is enacted. Insurance companies are smarter than Trump and Congress.

[affald]

Trump won't release the details to the liberals, lol.

He is testing to see how it gets leaked. Maybe misinformation will be leaked.

[autumnspring]

It MUST happen...it's unsustainable any other way.

If you were a white man...you could understand that.

To "pay for" $1 million in healthcare costs...you would have to be 80 years old...AND made 960 monthly payments...your entire life...of over $1,000 a month. To break even.

The ONLY way to give everyone healthcare is to bring the cost WAY down. Make medicine non-profit.

RE: Your suggestion to make medicine non-profit.
There are many books on the result of price control. The result is always the same. Fewer supplies, LESS QUALITY, and the creation of a black market.

Obama didn't and if TRUMP does there will be an outcry-limit the costs of medical lawsuits. WE HAVE FAR TOO MANY AMBULANCE CHASERS AND FAR TOO MANY JURISTS WHO THINK THE DRUG COMPANIES HAVE DEEP POCKETS. These are the same people who bitch about the cost of drugs. The lawsuits add about 30% to the cost of medical care.

We are all guilty. You doctor suggests some test-often reason is to avoid lawsuits. We go for the test saying what the heck medicare will pay for it.

My view-The lawsuits should be SETTLED by a group of doctors. Of course the doctor being sued should not be known. Easy enough if the reviewing doctors are in a different state. I also think there should be a significant copay. That would cut costs for medicare, cut the illusion that there is no cost involved. We might then need to SHOP for lower cost options as we do with everything we purchase-EXCEPT MEDICAL CARE.

AN ADVENTURE-ask your doctor for the cost. It is truly amusing. You will get a look like he/she/it thinks you are crazy.

[autumnspring]

It MUST happen...it's unsustainable any other way.

If you were a white man...you could understand that.

To "pay for" $1 million in healthcare costs...you would have to be 80 years old...AND made 960 monthly payments...your entire life...of over $1,000 a month. To break even.

The ONLY way to give everyone healthcare is to bring the cost WAY down. Make medicine non-profit.

My wife and I just got on to medicare. Before that we were first on COBRA when that ran out we went on private insurance with AETNA. The cost was 12,000 so as you said $1000 a month.

At that cost, I would have considered SELF INSURING
fortunately I did not. Four days in the VILLAGES HOSPITAL was billed at 50,000. AETNA paid 20,000 and that settled the bill in full. You would not like to try to explain why AETNA pays 20,000 and if I had decided to self insure I would have had to pay 50,000.

OUR SYSTEM IS SIMPLY INSANE. What is the real cost of medical care. For my four days was it 20,000 or was it 50,000.

We discuss cost of medical care like we have access to REAL NUMBERS.

[autumnspring]

I think in the end you will have lost.

Whether you voted for Trump or not.
If, things go well WE ALL WIN.

Obama who surely you voted for-has clearly left this country-OUR COUNTRY-divided along race lines and success envy. Obama, being our first black president was give a unique opportunity to bring our people together. INSTEAD, he deliberately chose to fan embers of racism into forest fires.

THE FACTS ARE-Obama received 56% of the vote. Blacks are 13% of the population and Obama got 98% of the black vote-you refuse to call that what it is RACIST. To get 56% of the vote Obama would have had to get roughly 42% of the non-black vote. Had the non-black vote been as RACIST as the black vote Obama would have received roughly 18% of the vote-THE WORST DEFEAT IN AMERICAN HISTORY.

Obama has been called a LIBERAL PROGRESSIVE. Obama shouts about how evil is hard work and how evil is success.
In plain speak, Obama who refuses to say RADICAL MUSLIM
is a SOCIALIST. Socialism is an interesting theory EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT IT DOES NOT WORK-interesting play on words if I say so myself. We have seen so many examples of this. I do not understand how the PROGRESSIVE LIBERALS do not see the obvious.
For OBVIOUS recent examples, look at the failure of GREECE. Look at the difference between EAST and WEST GERMANY.

Obama has left office DUE TO OUR LAW.
OBAMA HAS LEFT ON THE DESK AN UNPAID TAB OF TEN TRILLION DOLLARS. Frankly, I am probably one of far to few that prpudly admits TEN TRILLION DOLLARS is beyond my comprehension. Ive read that it means EVERY MAN WOMAN AND CHILD OWES 85,000 DOLLARS TO COVER OBAMA'S TAB. Wow-that is all of us. If, you voted for Obama that should fairly be your bill. I did not vote for Obama FOR ME AND MY WIFE TO OWE 170,000 for Obama's TAB THAT SHOULD BE ILLEGAL-DON'T YOU THINK????

WE LOST, I LOST WITH OBAMA.
IF, I WIN WITH TRUMP, WE ALL WIN WITH TRUMP.

IT IS NOT A DAMN HIGH SCHOOL BASKETBALL GAME.

[affald]

My wife and I just got on to medicare. Before that we were first on COBRA when that ran out we went on private insurance with AETNA. The cost was 12,000 so as you said $1000 a month.

At that cost, I would have considered SELF INSURING
fortunately I did not. Four days in the VILLAGES HOSPITAL was billed at 50,000. AETNA paid 20,000 and that settled the bill in full. You would not like to try to explain why AETNA pays 20,000 and if I had decided to self insure I would have had to pay 50,000.

OUR SYSTEM IS SIMPLY INSANE. What is the real cost of medical care. For my four days was it 20,000 or was it 50,000.

We discuss cost of medical care like we have access to REAL NUMBERS.
They keep the system crazy, drg amounts etc.

It exists because politicians are paid off. Get behind Trump, no lobbies, term limits etc.

It's the only hope!

[Don Baldwin]

Don't forget how expensive it is to insure 50,000,000 people.

How about $600 billion a year? $1,000 a month for 50 million people is $600,000,000,000 a year.

Healthcare is just plain too expensive.

I said non-profit, not price controls. They can make money, but not exorbitant amounts.

They get what they charge because they literally have your life in their hands.

[ColdNoMore]

Obama who surely you voted for-has clearly left this country-OUR COUNTRY-divided along race lines and success envy. Obama, being our first black president was give a unique opportunity to bring our people together. INSTEAD, he deliberately chose to fan embers of racism into forest fires.

Bull$hit. :mad:

What you, and the closet racists wanted...was for Obama to pretend that racism still doesn't exist.

Instead, he called it out when it occurred and people like you and most of those who voted for Trump...didn't like the TRUTH rubbed in your faces.

Now that you have Trump, we can see all over the country that those same racist/bigoted scumbags who blamed Obama on worsening race relations, are now coming out of the closet in droves...because you/they think the POTUS is on your/their side in being blinded to racism and prejudice.

So save your closet racist statements, because they're totally bogus...and intelligent/non-racist people aren't buying it.





THE FACTS ARE-Obama received 56% of the vote. Blacks are 13% of the population and Obama got 98% of the black vote-you refuse to call that what it is RACIST. To get 56% of the vote Obama would have had to get roughly 42% of the non-black vote. Had the non-black vote been as RACIST as the black vote Obama would have received roughly 18% of the vote-THE WORST DEFEAT IN AMERICAN HISTORY.
Thank you for showing your complete ignorance and proving my point. :thumbup:

Not only are you apparently too stupid to understand the actual definition of racism...but blacks have historically overwhelmingly voted Democratic anyway. :oops:

And you might delude some really dumb right-wingnuts, but blacks don't vote for Dem's because they think Dem's are LESS sympathetic to what they have to endure from people like you (and especially Baldwin/LarBug/DirtBag/MLGBT/etc.

I would say 'nice try,'...but your (purposeful?) ignorance doesn't even rise to that level.



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

[Sandtrap328]

Even the Regressives on this forum are telling their horror stories - but STILL there has been NO replacement health plan offered up by Congress. SEVEN years of opportunity and no plan? Makes TRUMPANZEE and the REGRESSIVES in Congress sound pretty lame, doesn't it?

[affald]

Even the Regressives on this forum are telling their horror stories - but STILL there has been NO replacement health plan offered up by Congress. SEVEN years of opportunity and no plan? Makes TRUMPANZEE and the REGRESSIVES in Congress sound pretty lame, doesn't it?
We have a plan, it's on a need to know basis. Above your pay grade private.

[ColdNoMore]

We have a plan, it's on a need to know basis. Above your pay grade private.

LOL :1rotfl:

Just like Chump...you have no clue how complicated healthcare is.


Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

[wjboyer1]

Has any one seen it, republicans would like to see it, is this what is called transparency? trump railed about, we need transparency in government.

A third grade vocabulary, a fifth grade speaking skill, and he says that health care is so complicated.....evidently he never listened to the people who actually know just how complicated it really is.....nor do his supporters....what morons!
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[wjboyer1]

Get over it! You lost!

looks like you morons lost, but don't realize it because you are so stupid....

[dave harris]

He HAS stated the parts of Obamacare that they will use: Pre-existing conditions and kids up to 26 at home. Did you conveniently dismiss that part or just haven't paid attention? Day one was the start, not the end. People who did not conform to having Obamacare because of the expense already do not get a penalty. At least, it won't be "pass it to see what's in it", this time. He wants insurance companies to be able to be bought across state lines. If you can find better and/or cheaper in another state, they can sell it to you. Right now, Obamacare is still in place, so what's the panic? Do you take everything everyone says literally?

How many things has he said then did the opposite, until it's on paper you can crow all you want, but nobady with any sense will listen to you.

[dave harris]

RE: Your suggestion to make medicine non-profit.
There are many books on the result of price control. The result is always the same. Fewer supplies, LESS QUALITY, and the creation of a black market.

Obama didn't and if TRUMP does there will be an outcry-limit the costs of medical lawsuits. WE HAVE FAR TOO MANY AMBULANCE CHASERS AND FAR TOO MANY JURISTS WHO THINK THE DRUG COMPANIES HAVE DEEP POCKETS. These are the same people who bitch about the cost of drugs. The lawsuits add about 30% to the cost of medical care.

We are all guilty. You doctor suggests some test-often reason is to avoid lawsuits. We go for the test saying what the heck medicare will pay for it.

My view-The lawsuits should be SETTLED by a group of doctors. Of course the doctor being sued should not be known. Easy enough if the reviewing doctors are in a different state. I also think there should be a significant copay. That would cut costs for medicare, cut the illusion that there is no cost involved. We might then need to SHOP for lower cost options as we do with everything we purchase-EXCEPT MEDICAL CARE.

AN ADVENTURE-ask your doctor for the cost. It is truly amusing. You will get a look like he/she/it thinks you are crazy.

And you would also let the fox guard the chicken house, your type of thinking is why we have problems in this country.

[dave harris]

Whether you voted for Trump or not.
If, things go well WE ALL WIN.

Obama who surely you voted for-has clearly left this country-OUR COUNTRY-divided along race lines and success envy. Obama, being our first black president was give a unique opportunity to bring our people together. INSTEAD, he deliberately chose to fan embers of racism into forest fires.

THE FACTS ARE-Obama received 56% of the vote. Blacks are 13% of the population and Obama got 98% of the black vote-you refuse to call that what it is RACIST. To get 56% of the vote Obama would have had to get roughly 42% of the non-black vote. Had the non-black vote been as RACIST as the black vote Obama would have received roughly 18% of the vote-THE WORST DEFEAT IN AMERICAN HISTORY.

Obama has been called a LIBERAL PROGRESSIVE. Obama shouts about how evil is hard work and how evil is success.
In plain speak, Obama who refuses to say RADICAL MUSLIM
is a SOCIALIST. Socialism is an interesting theory EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT IT DOES NOT WORK-interesting play on words if I say so myself. We have seen so many examples of this. I do not understand how the PROGRESSIVE LIBERALS do not see the obvious.
For OBVIOUS recent examples, look at the failure of GREECE. Look at the difference between EAST and WEST GERMANY.

Obama has left office DUE TO OUR LAW.
OBAMA HAS LEFT ON THE DESK AN UNPAID TAB OF TEN TRILLION DOLLARS. Frankly, I am probably one of far to few that prpudly admits TEN TRILLION DOLLARS is beyond my comprehension. Ive read that it means EVERY MAN WOMAN AND CHILD OWES 85,000 DOLLARS TO COVER OBAMA'S TAB. Wow-that is all of us. If, you voted for Obama that should fairly be your bill. I did not vote for Obama FOR ME AND MY WIFE TO OWE 170,000 for Obama's TAB THAT SHOULD BE ILLEGAL-DON'T YOU THINK????

WE LOST, I LOST WITH OBAMA.
IF, I WIN WITH TRUMP, WE ALL WIN WITH TRUMP.

IT IS NOT A DAMN HIGH SCHOOL BASKETBALL GAME.

So trump is going to wave his magic wand and make all our problems go away, typical conned trumpster. You make it like a " DAMN HIGH SCHOOL BASKETBALL GAME."

[dave harris]

We have a plan, it's on a need to know basis. Above your pay grade private.

"We have a plan" we need to know, tell us what the plan is since you are in th know littleman.

[Don Baldwin]

LOL :1rotfl:

Just like Chump...you have no clue how complicated healthcare is.


Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

It's NOT overly complicated...they MAKE it complicated.

Healthcare costs too much to pay for everyone. The ones who do pay, can't afford to carry those who don't or are subsidized.

The solution?

Every man for themselves, either regular insurance or self insure.

Or...the government takes over and we get "panels" or "formulas" that determine what and how much will be spent on each individual.

Can't have both...can't cover everyone AND give them no cap coverage.

So trump is going to wave his magic wand and make all our problems go away, typical conned trumpster. You make it like a " DAMN HIGH SCHOOL BASKETBALL GAME."

Wish he could wave his magic wand...a minority rapture is my first wish. Would solve a WHOLE LOT of problems...a whole lot. Make the whole country a Norman Rockwell painting again. Make the whole country like the villages.

[MDLNB]

Well, the new Health Care program may not be what leftards want it to be, but I will bet that congress won't be stealing another trillion bucks from Medicare to subsidize the lazy. The left just don't get it, in it's current state it's getting ready to implode. Why are they so stupid that they do not get it? Or, are they being told that it's failing because of the right? The new system will have borderless shopping for insurance and tort control, to bring down the cost. Personally, I see no reason that a person 26 years old should be on their parent's policy, but where I come from if a person that age is not employed, they need to join the military. Medicaid will be controlled by the individual state, as it should be. The government should not even be involved in private health care. You should be able to tailor your policy to fit your needs. There is no reason a woman 60 years old should have to pay for a policy that provides pregnancy services or birth control. And the old LIE that we pay for ER services for those that do not have insurance is a myth. If you go to the ER and do not have insurance, you receive a bill that you must pay. If you don't pay it, it is sent to a collection agency. If it does not get paid, the hospital writes it off of their taxes. The rich should not have to purchase insurance when they won't be using it anyway. They can afford top of the line treatment by the best, why pay for insurance. The reason insurance is so high is because the Feds have stuck their noses into it.