The Keystone XL oil pipeline

[dave harris]

"The Keystone XL oil pipeline does not need to be made from U.S. steel, despite an executive order by President Donald Trump days after he took office requiring domestic steel in new pipelines, the White House said on Friday."

trumpster's, are you going to hold donny's feet to the fire? He has conned you again, he doesn't hold the cards, congress does.

[Don Baldwin]

"The Keystone XL oil pipeline does not need to be made from U.S. steel, despite an executive order by President Donald Trump days after he took office requiring domestic steel in new pipelines, the White House said on Friday."

trumpster's, are you going to hold donny's feet to the fire? He has conned you again, he doesn't hold the cards, congress does.

NEITHER hold the cards...those who run the system, the men behind the curtain, hold the cards.

[dirtbanker]

are you going to hold donny's feet to the fire? He has conned you again, he doesn't hold the cards, congress does.

Are you going to hold Congress's feet to the fire? Don't you think US steel should be used?? Instead of wasting time on here non stop whining, why don't you run for office??? Nobody can do it right, but you...

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[Greg Nelson]

where'd you comefrom?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

OK, the president issued and executive order and you say that it doesn't have to be followed and that congress has the ultimate authority to make that decision.

We have no way of knowing whether that is true or not, but let's assume that it is. We'll find out who in congress supports US jobs and who is interested in using materials made in foreign countries.

Many of these people will be up for re-election. Do you think that this could become and issue at that time?

My guess is that close to 100% of the republicans will vote in favor of the president's order and those democrats that up for re-election and are interested in keeping their jobs will do the same.

If the president did nothing else, he is forcing congress to reveal themselves.

[affald]

In two years many of those Democrats will be out of a job!

[MDLNB]

Get her done!

[autumnspring]

Are you going to hold Congress's feet to the fire? Don't you think US steel should be used?? Instead of wasting time on here non stop whining, why don't you run for office??? Nobody can do it right, but you...

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A big part of knowledge is knowing what you don't know.

I've repeatedly said this is not a sporting event-a high school basketball game. PEOPLE have an opinion. Often they have no idea what they are talking about. They want to tell the coach how to do his job.

RE: Running for office.
I for one, have no interest in running. I would not put up with people wanting to not only look up my butt but drooling to find anything I have done wrong. Unlike Clinton-I DID INHALE. Unlike Susan Molanari who admitted that she did inhale-I KNEW HER DRUG SOURCE ON STATEN ISLAND AND SHE BOUGHT MARIJUANA BY THE KILOGRAM.

There goes my political non-aspirations.

[billethkid]

When one is going to parrot an article from the news how about using the whole story and not just the parts that make your case/agenda sound better.

The pipe not made in America is already purchased and has been sitting around waiting while Obama circle jerked the delays.....and playing it dem wise....the steel was purchased while Obama was president.

A partisan BS driven thread.

[dave harris]

Are you going to hold Congress's feet to the fire? Don't you think US steel should be used?? Instead of wasting time on here non stop whining, why don't you run for office??? Nobody can do it right, but you...

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I'm glad you admit it littleman.

[dave harris]

OK, the president issued and executive order and you say that it doesn't have to be followed and that congress has the ultimate authority to make that decision.

We have no way of knowing whether that is true or not, but let's assume that it is. We'll find out who in congress supports US jobs and who is interested in using materials made in foreign countries.

Many of these people will be up for re-election. Do you think that this could become and issue at that time?

My guess is that close to 100% of the republicans will vote in favor of the president's order and those democrats that up for re-election and are interested in keeping their jobs will do the same.

If the president did nothing else, he is forcing congress to reveal themselves.

My guess is that it will be russian steel and trump will make a lot of money on it.

[dirtbanker]

I'm glad you admit it littleman.

You are even too stupid to recognize sarcasm...

Littleman? I assume you meant little man?? Your old lady's hands look small when she is holding my junk...

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[dave harris]

When one is going to parrot an article from the news how about using the whole story and not just the parts that make your case/agenda sound better.

The pipe not made in America is already purchased and has been sitting around waiting while Obama circle jerked the delays.....and playing it dem wise....the steel was purchased while Obama was president.

A partisan BS driven thread.

"Trump said as recently as last week that Keystone and the Dakota Access pipeline must use American steel "or we're not building one."

Don't let the truth get in the way, littleman.

[dave harris]

You are even too stupid to recognize sarcasm...

Littleman? I assume you meant little man?? Your old lady's hands look small when she is holding my junk...

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Your hero trump and you have one thing in common, you are both perverts. littleman!

[Sandtrap328]

When one is going to parrot an article from the news how about using the whole story and not just the parts that make your case/agenda sound better.

The pipe not made in America is already purchased and has been sitting around waiting while Obama circle jerked the delays.....and playing it dem wise....the steel was purchased while Obama was president.

A partisan BS driven thread.

No, btm, you are wrong. Trump said it would be US steel or there would be no pipeline. Well, he lied again. The spokeswoman tried weasel words to get around it but it blatent lie there is no getting around it.

See you at church tomorrow?

[Chi-Town]

You are even too stupid to recognize sarcasm...

Littleman? I assume you meant little man?? Your old lady's hands look small when she is holding my junk...

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Uh-oh, sounds like someone hit a nerve. Sometimes when one's shortcomings become a topic it's best to remain silent.

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[dirtbanker]

Uh-oh, sounds like someone hit a nerve. Sometimes when one's shortcomings become a topic it's best to remain silent.

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Good advice, hopefully dimwitdave can follow it.

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[dirtbanker]

No, btm, you are wrong. Trump said it would be US steel or there would be no pipeline. Well, he lied again. The spokeswoman tried weasel words to get around it but it blatent lie there is no getting around it.

See you at church tomorrow?
Sandy - Trump obviously did not know dip$hit Obamma bought and paid for import steel and then put project on hold.Trump's intentions was good, but POS Obamma ruined it. Of course being a Liberal, you are ready to protest!

You won't see me in church...

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[Sandtrap328]

Oh, btm knows his "secret identity" has been found out and that his real identity might become known to a wide range of people that do not share his beliefs.

Guess we have seen the last of "btm" on political issues. Hmmm?

[billethkid]

"Trump said as recently as last week that Keystone and the Dakota Access pipeline must use American steel "or we're not building one."

Don't let the truth get in the way, littleman.

I pass. I learned long ago to not get in a pi$$ing contest with skunks!!

[affald]

Oh, btm knows his "secret identity" has been found out and that his real identity might become known to a wide range of people that do not share his beliefs.

Guess we have seen the last of "btm" on political issues. Hmmm?
Hmmm? So you are OK with releasing posters real life identities?

[ColdNoMore]

Sandy - Trump obviously did not know dip$hit Obamma bought and paid for import steel and then put project on hold.Trump's intentions was good, but POS Obamma ruined it. Of course being a Liberal, you are ready to protest!


WTF?! :22yikes:

Obama is the one that bought the steel for the Keystone pipeline?

You right-wing extremists...are almost as insane as Chump. :oops:


Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

[dave harris]

Good advice, hopefully dimwitdave can follow it.

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Can't you ever come up with an original reply, or are you mentally challenged?

[dave harris]

Sandy - Trump obviously did not know dip$hit Obamma bought and paid for import steel and then put project on hold.Trump's intentions was good, but POS Obamma ruined it. Of course being a Liberal, you are ready to protest!

You won't see me in church...

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Did Obama pay cash or use his credit card?

[dirtbanker]

Did Obama pay cash or use his credit card?
He is definitely a credit card type of guy. He did not amass 12.4 million as a 400K a year as a politician paying cash.

[dirtbanker]

WTF?! :22yikes:

Obama is the one that bought the steel for the Keystone pipeline?

You right-wing extremists...are almost as insane as Chump.


Deepest Sincere Wishes:

Keystone XL pipeline will not use U.S. steel despite Trump's vow (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/03/04/president-trump-keystone-pipeline-american-steel/98734238/)
"The way that executive order is written," Sanders said. "It’s specific to new pipelines or those that are being repaired. Since this one is already currently under construction, the steel is already literally sitting there; it would be hard to go back."

Keystone Pipeline - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_Pipeline#Phase_3b_.28under_construction.2 9)
In March 2012, Obama endorsed the building of the southern segment (Gulf Coast Extension or Phase III) that begins in Cushing, Oklahoma. The President said in Cushing, Oklahoma, on March 22, "Today, I'm directing my administration to cut through the red tape, break through the bureaucratic hurdles, and make this project a priority, to go ahead and get it done."[55]

The pipeline came to a greater prominence of attention when a planned fourth phase, Keystone XL, attracting growing environmental protest, became a symbol of the battle over climate change and fossil fuels, and in 2015 was rejected by then President Barack Obama.

So you don't believe Obamma signed off on the 2012 bill, without specifying US steel would be used, and you don't believe Obamma put a halt to the project in 2015...

[ColdNoMore]

Keystone XL pipeline will not use U.S. steel despite Trump's vow (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/03/04/president-trump-keystone-pipeline-american-steel/98734238/)
"The way that executive order is written," Sanders said. "It’s specific to new pipelines or those that are being repaired. Since this one is already currently under construction, the steel is already literally sitting there; it would be hard to go back."

Keystone Pipeline - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_Pipeline#Phase_3b_.28under_construction.2 9)
In March 2012, Obama endorsed the building of the southern segment (Gulf Coast Extension or Phase III) that begins in Cushing, Oklahoma. The President said in Cushing, Oklahoma, on March 22, "Today, I'm directing my administration to cut through the red tape, break through the bureaucratic hurdles, and make this project a priority, to go ahead and get it done."[55]

The pipeline came to a greater prominence of attention when a planned fourth phase, Keystone XL, attracting growing environmental protest, became a symbol of the battle over climate change and fossil fuels, and in 2015 was rejected by then President Barack Obama.

So you don't believe Obamma signed off on the 2012 bill, without specifying US steel would be used, and you don't believe Obamma put a halt to the project in 2015...

I understand the history of the pipeline.

Simply answer the question and quit trying to state things...that weren't said by me. :oops:.

Prove where, as YOU stated, "Trump obviously did not know dip$hit Obamma bought and paid for import steel." :popcorn:

As everyone can see, you just got caught lying again...and are simply trying to obfuscate. :boom:

Nice try though. ;)


Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

[MDLNB]

Oh, btm knows his "secret identity" has been found out and that his real identity might become known to a wide range of people that do not share his beliefs.

Guess we have seen the last of "btm" on political issues. Hmmm?

Are you sure you really want to go through that door regarding "real identities?"

[4aces4me]

I'm all for the Keystone pipeline. Who would you rather buy oil from? Canada or a middle east country?

[ColdNoMore]

I'm all for the Keystone pipeline. Who would you rather buy oil from? Canada or a middle east country?

So please enlighten us, how much of that oil will be available for domestic purchase...versus shipping out of the country?

That's right...no one knows. ;)

So, if you knew it was all being put on ships to foreign countries...would you still be so strongly for it?


Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

[Warren Kiefer]

When one is going to parrot an article from the news how about using the whole story and not just the parts that make your case/agenda sound better.

The pipe not made in America is already purchased and has been sitting around waiting while Obama circle jerked the delays.....and playing it dem wise....the steel was purchased while Obama was president.

A partisan BS driven thread.

So what !!! send it back to China !!!

[dave harris]

I'm all for the Keystone pipeline. Who would you rather buy oil from? Canada or a middle east country?

Which country in the world has the largest oil reserves? I'll answer it, the United States of America. We don't need no stinking pipeline.

[Don Baldwin]

Which country in the world has the largest oil reserves? I'll answer it, the United States of America. We don't need no stinking pipeline.

That pipeline is to SELL oil. Oil from Canada piped and shipped from the Gulf of Mexico to European customers.

The US has the "most" oil...only if you count oil locked up in shale...VERY expensive to get out. As for easy to get, free flowing oil...it's still SA, Venezuela, the ME countries, Russia...

[dirtbanker]

Prove where, as YOU stated, "Trump obviously did not know dip$hit Obamma bought and paid for import steel."

As everyone can see, you just got caught lying again...and are simply trying to obfuscate.


Deepest Sincere Wishes:

I went back and read my post. My generalization of saying Obamma bought and paid for the import steel could be misleading, some would picture him standing at the home depot register with a roller cart full of steel pipeline. My post was not intended to be inaccurate, that was a mistake in my choice of wording. What I should have typed was Obamma signed off on the pipeline without specifying that US steel would be used, and thus; Obamma's lack of thought is responsible for the purchase of import steel that is stock piled along the pipeline's course.

I am curious if you would characterize your post in the "Bronze Zoo" thread (which you claimed to have made a $100 dollar donation to charity) as a blatant lie? You did not generalize any information about your act, you just purposely lied...

[dirtbanker]

So what !!! send it back to China !!!
I don't believe China has a "hassle free return" policy like Kohls...if they did, who do you believe should pay for the shipping costs to return it to China?

Maybe your hero Obamma would spend a little of the 12.4 million he has amassed (as a 400K a year politician) to send it back???

[dave harris]

That pipeline is to SELL oil. Oil from Canada piped and shipped from the Gulf of Mexico to European customers.

The US has the "most" oil...only if you count oil locked up in shale...VERY expensive to get out. As for easy to get, free flowing oil...it's still SA, Venezuela, the ME countries, Russia...

Your argument about shale is wrong.

"Fast forward 40 years and the world has changed drastically, with booming U.S. oil production from the shale revolution creating an epic supply glut that recently sent oil prices below $30 a barrel."

After 40-year ban, U.S. starts exporting crude oil - Jan. 29, 2016 (http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/29/investing/us-oil-exports-begin/)

[dirtbanker]

Which country in the world has the largest oil reserves? I'll answer it, the United States of America. We don't need no stinking pipeline.

Wikipedia has the US as #10 on the list of countries oil reserves, that means your answer is WRONG...

List of countries by proven oil reserves - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_proven_oil_reserves)

[dave harris]

I don't believe China has a "hassle free return" policy like Kohls...if they did, who do you believe should pay for the shipping costs to return it to China?

Maybe your hero Obamma would spend a little of the 12.4 million he has amassed (as a 400K a year politician) to send it back???

They could sell it to private companies who buy china pipe all the time. Was the money he made illegal? If so, elaborate on it.

[dave harris]

Wikipedia has the US as #10 on the list of countries oil reserves, that means your answer is WRONG...

List of countries by proven oil reserves - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_proven_oil_reserves)

"U.S. Has World’s Largest Oil Reserves"

U.S. Has World’s Largest Oil Reserves | OilPrice.com (http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/US-Has-Worlds-Largest-Oil-Reserves.html)

Now about Wikipedia

"The unfortunate truth is that, every day, online content becomes more and more accepted as gospel even while the quality of information declines. And Wikipedia is no exception."

Just How Accurate Is Wikipedia? | Fox Business (http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/2015/09/02/just-how-accurate-is-wikipedia.html)

Taken from your usual source, Fox

[dirtbanker]

Your argument about shale is wrong.

"Fast forward 40 years and the world has changed drastically, with booming U.S. oil production from the shale revolution creating an epic supply glut that recently sent oil prices below $30 a barrel."

After 40-year ban, U.S. starts exporting crude oil - Jan. 29, 2016 (http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/29/investing/us-oil-exports-begin/)

Shale is not financially feasible when oil prices are low, that is why all those people in the shale oil industry were out of work when OPEC PURPOSELY drove the oil prices down. (Ethanol is also not financially feasible, when oil prices are low.)

OPEC controls the price of oil and they control their competition. Saudi's oil is more expensive because it is horizontally mined from sand, so they only lower the price long enough to drive the competition out of business and then they raise prices to make the sand mining financially feasible again.

What would you say if I told you a conglomerate formed by US oil companies used to own all the rights to Saudi's oil??

[dirtbanker]

They could sell it to private companies who buy china pipe all the time. Was the money he made illegal? If so, elaborate on it.
What benefit would selling the Chinese steel to private companies provide?

I have no idea how a guy who made 400K a year (3.2 million over the 8 years) turned it into 12.4 million...it does seem difficult to do, maybe he was giving golf lessons too?

[Don Baldwin]

Your argument about shale is wrong.

"Fast forward 40 years and the world has changed drastically, with booming U.S. oil production from the shale revolution creating an epic supply glut that recently sent oil prices below $30 a barrel."

After 40-year ban, U.S. starts exporting crude oil - Jan. 29, 2016 (http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/29/investing/us-oil-exports-begin/)

No...it's not wrong...actually NEITHER of us KNOWS the absolute "truth" about anything other than what we can see with our own eyes...but that's beside the point.

Fracking tight shale oil is expensive AND those wells only produce for about 18 months before they need to be re-fracked. The low hanging fruit, the EASY to get out oil...has already been gotten. There is no oil shortage, there is only a set rate that oil can be extracted.

It's like the brouhaha over water here in C FL. There is PLENTY of water in the Florian aquifer...the "problem" during droughts is getting it out FAST enough because of all the lawn watering. A water well...an oil well...is like a Slurpee...if you suck it out slowly and steadily...it keeps flowing. If you try to suck it out too fast...it "dried up" and you need to wait for it to "recharge".

Shale oil isn't a panacea...

The price didn't STAY at $30 and while it was at $30, a LOT of US oil companies went out of business because $30 oil isn't profitable.

Wikipedia has the US as #10 on the list of countries oil reserves, that means your answer is WRONG...

List of countries by proven oil reserves - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_proven_oil_reserves)

Just about every site you look at has a DIFFERENT country with the most reserves. Most put the US down around #10. Some count ALL oil...even that which will NEVER come out of the ground...until we're REALLY desperate.

"U.S. Has World’s Largest Oil Reserves"

U.S. Has World’s Largest Oil Reserves | OilPrice.com (http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/US-Has-Worlds-Largest-Oil-Reserves.html)

Now about Wikipedia

"The unfortunate truth is that, every day, online content becomes more and more accepted as gospel even while the quality of information declines. And Wikipedia is no exception."

Just How Accurate Is Wikipedia? | Fox Business (http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/2015/09/02/just-how-accurate-is-wikipedia.html)

Taken from your usual source, Fox

Including "content" from Fox Business.

Truly trust NOTHING you didn't see with your own eyes. Lies and misdirection are EVERYWHERE. That's the crux of the problem...we don't KNOW what is true and what are lies.

[dave harris]

No...it's not wrong...actually NEITHER of us KNOWS the absolute "truth" about anything other than what we can see with our own eyes...but that's beside the point.

Fracking tight shale oil is expensive AND those wells only produce for about 18 months before they need to be re-fracked. The low hanging fruit, the EASY to get out oil...has already been gotten. There is no oil shortage, there is only a set rate that oil can be extracted.

It's like the brouhaha over water here in C FL. There is PLENTY of water in the Florian aquifer...the "problem" during droughts is getting it out FAST enough because of all the lawn watering. A water well...an oil well...is like a Slurpee...if you suck it out slowly and steadily...it keeps flowing. If you try to suck it out too fast...it "dried up" and you need to wait for it to "recharge".

Shale oil isn't a panacea...

The price didn't STAY at $30 and while it was at $30, a LOT of US oil companies went out of business because $30 oil isn't profitable.



Just about every site you look at has a DIFFERENT country with the most reserves. Most put the US down around #10. Some count ALL oil...even that which will NEVER come out of the ground...until we're REALLY desperate.



Including "content" from Fox Business.

Truly trust NOTHING you didn't see with your own eyes. Lies and misdirection are EVERYWHERE. That's the crux of the problem...we don't KNOW what is true and what are lies.

But the radical trumpster's take Fox as gospel. They watch it religiously.

[dave harris]

What benefit would selling the Chinese steel to private companies provide?

I have no idea how a guy who made 400K a year (3.2 million over the 8 years) turned it into 12.4 million...it does seem difficult to do, maybe he was giving golf lessons too?

Maybe you could ask the other presidents, they came out with more. Why don't you Google how Obama could make that much, if it's true.

[dave harris]

What benefit would selling the Chinese steel to private companies provide?

I have no idea how a guy who made 400K a year (3.2 million over the 8 years) turned it into 12.4 million...it does seem difficult to do, maybe he was giving golf lessons too?

If trump lived up to his promise he could demand American steel in the pipeline. Selling the steel would be someone elses problem.
After all isn't he in charge. He thinks he is.

[Don Baldwin]

But the radical trumpster's take Fox as gospel. They watch it religiously.

Yes...I know...they are lemmings too.

Maybe you could ask the other presidents, they came out with more. Why don't you Google how Obama could make that much, if it's true.

Graft.

If trump lived up to his promise he could demand American steel in the pipeline. Selling the steel would be someone elses problem.
After all isn't he in charge. He thinks he is.

OK...NOBODY in their right mind would have ALREADY bought the steel pipes for a pipeline that is under such contention. UNLESS...they know it's a done deal.

There's already a Keystone pipe...from Canada to the Gulf coast...to sell Canadian oil to Europe. The XL is they want to add another pipe, a bigger pipe, so they can sell MORE oil to the Europeans.

[dirtbanker]

If trump lived up to his promise he could demand American steel in the pipeline. Selling the steel would be someone elses problem.
After all isn't he in charge. He thinks he is.
You are unable to answer the question? I asked what benefits would selling the Chinese steel to private companies??

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[dirtbanker]

Maybe you could ask the other presidents, they came out with more. Why don't you Google how Obama could make that much, if it's true.

You seem to be fine with the math...you are probably dumb enough not to wonder how Michelle Obbama amassing 11.4 million over the last 8 years, and she has no salary.

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[billethkid]

But the radical trumpster's take Fox as gospel. They watch it religiously.

BS comment.

And your sources are.........?

[Don Baldwin]

BS comment.

And your sources are.........?

Oh come on Billy...you KNOW it's true. The R, the "conservative" demographic watch Fox and the liberal, Ds, watch the CNNs of TV.

I KNOW these people. Depending on their leaning, either CNN or Fox on 24 hrs a day. Their minds being twisted by the propaganda.

At one time I watched CNN...then I realized the stories were propaganda that didn't match reality at all.

I started watching Fox when it started in 1996. It DID "seem" fair and balanced. They had people like Judge Napolitano, speaking the truth. Then they changed. The propaganda became obvious.

There are no "mainstream" reliable, always factual, "news" sources. It goes against profit. It goes against business. It goes against control. It goes against their stealing...their corruption...their greed.

[blueash]

[QUOTE=Guest]I went back and read my post. My generalization of saying Obamma bought and paid for the import steel could be misleading.. My post was not intended to be inaccurate, that was a mistake in my choice of wording. What I should have typed was Obamma signed off on the pipeline without specifying that US steel would be used, and thus; Obamma's lack of thought is responsible for the purchase of import steel that is stock piled along the pipeline's course.
[QUOTE]

And this is also "misleading" President Obama [not Obamma] never signed off on the pipeline. He refused to approve it until all the data including environment impact was available. And once all the data was available, he said no. The pipes that are already purchased were bought by the private companies who want to build the pipeline. Obama never told them to buy or not buy ahead of time.

Private business involved in the oil industry buys foreign steel pipes. Obama says no pipeline. Oil industry waits for change in administration. Trump says if I am president we will build the pipeline and it will be built with US steel. Trump wins and issues order approving the pipeline and insisting on US steel. A few days pass. Trump now says no need to buy new US steel pipes.

Or he could keep his promise and say, my approval of the pipeline will be revoked if you do not buy new US steel pipes as that is what I promised the voters. Oil industry spends a few million buying US steel from their profits. Cost to US taxpayers, nothing. So why did Trump not keep his word? Who got him to change his mind? Only one industry benefits from this broken promise... Big Oil.

[dirtbanker]

[QUOTE=Guest]I went back and read my post. My generalization of saying Obamma bought and paid for the import steel could be misleading.. My post was not intended to be inaccurate, that was a mistake in my choice of wording. What I should have typed was Obamma signed off on the pipeline without specifying that US steel would be used, and thus; Obamma's lack of thought is responsible for the purchase of import steel that is stock piled along the pipeline's course.
[QUOTE]

And this is also "misleading" President Obama [not Obamma] never signed off on the pipeline. He refused to approve it until all the data including environment impact was available. And once all the data was available, he said no. The pipes that are already purchased were bought by the private companies who want to build the pipeline. Obama never told them to buy or not buy ahead of time.

Private business involved in the oil industry buys foreign steel pipes. Obama says no pipeline. Oil industry waits for change in administration. Trump says if I am president we will build the pipeline and it will be built with US steel. Trump wins and issues order approving the pipeline and insisting on US steel. A few days pass. Trump now says no need to buy new US steel pipes.

Or he could keep his promise and say, my approval of the pipeline will be revoked if you do not buy new US steel pipes as that is what I promised the voters. Oil industry spends a few million buying US steel from their profits. Cost to US taxpayers, nothing. So why did Trump not keep his word? Who got him to change his mind? Only one industry benefits from this broken promise... Big Oil.

You might want to review post #26 in this thread, OBAMMA signed off on the pipeline. Even directed his administration to cut through the red tape to get it done.

Yes let's financially punish the people constructing the pipeline because Obamma didn't think to specify that us steel would be used in the construction of the project, and they can pass it down to us in the cost of our fuel, good plan Einstein.

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[dave harris]

[QUOTE=blueass;1369558][QUOTE=Guest]I went back and read my post. My generalization of saying Obamma bought and paid for the import steel could be misleading.. My post was not intended to be inaccurate, that was a mistake in my choice of wording. What I should have typed was Obamma signed off on the pipeline without specifying that US steel would be used, and thus; Obamma's lack of thought is responsible for the purchase of import steel that is stock piled along the pipeline's course.


You might want to review post #26 in this thread, OBAMMA signed off on the pipeline. Even directed his administration to cut through the red tape to get it done.

Yes let's financially punish the people constructing the pipeline because Obamma didn't think to specify that us steel would be used in the construction of the project, and they can pass it down to us in the cost of our fuel, good plan Einstein.

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Yes let's financially punish the people constructing the pipeline"

No, let donny pay for it, he made the promise. But I guess you and the trumpster's better learn, promises are made to be broken, and he is on his way to being the all time leader.

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You might want to review post #26 in this thread, OBAMMA signed off on the pipeline. Even directed his administration to cut through the red tape to get it done.

Yes let's financially punish the people constructing the pipeline because Obamma didn't think to specify that us steel would be used in the construction of the project, and they can pass it down to us in the cost of our fuel, good plan Einstein.

You must have a very different interpretation of the meaning in English of "signed off". It means gives final approval. It does not mean I think it is a good idea and will move it along subject to the required reviews. And in that same speech you only partly quoted President Obama said this :

"So what we’ve said to the company is, we’re happy to review future permits. And today, we’re making this new pipeline from Cushing to the Gulf a priority. So the southern leg of it we’re making a priority, and we’re going to go ahead and get that done. The northern portion of it we’re going to have to review properly to make sure that the health and safety of the American people are protected. That’s common sense."

And while that sounds like "signed off" to you, it does not to most people with ability to read and understand everyday English. And it is this Northern portion that is the topic of Trump's actions. The pipeline that Obama expedited was finished in 2015. So are you ready to withdraw your ill informed comment in #26 that you felt I needed to read? It is wrong.