Trump endorses republican health care plan....ha ha ha

[villagerjack]

The Art of the Deal begins. Today's Health Care Plan is not Trumps best offer. It is really not HIS plan at all, even though he endorsed it. He will let his biggest detractors make some of the changes, and get the Plan what he really wants. He has led Ryan by the nose and now he will use Rand Paul. Freedom Caucus will fall in line. Ryan, Paul and the Freedom Caucus have no idea what he really wants. Only HE does. Health Care Plan will pass both houses in a month. On to tax reform and another deal. The guy is a genius. He always starts with something ludicrous to wind up in the middle. His best offer is never his real offer. They will NEVER figure him out. He is three steps ahead of all of them. The only one who will come close to figuring him out is Newt who will write a book about Trump and become part of the next Administration, probably Chief of Staff.

[wjboyer1]

President-elect Donald Trump said in a weekend interview that he is nearing completion of a plan to replace President Obama’s signature health-care law with the goal of “insurance for everybody,” while also vowing to force drug companies to negotiate directly with the government on prices in Medicare and Medicaid. ALL I SEE IS OBAMACARE-LITE

[villagerjack]

President-elect Donald Trump said in a weekend interview that he is nearing completion of a plan to replace President Obama’s signature health-care law with the goal of “insurance for everybody,” while also vowing to force drug companies to negotiate directly with the government on prices in Medicare and Medicaid. ALL I SEE IS OBAMACARE-LITE

Stay tuned. The Art of the Deal is just beginning.

[villagerjack]

President-elect Donald Trump said in a weekend interview that he is nearing completion of a plan to replace President Obama’s signature health-care law with the goal of “insurance for everybody,” while also vowing to force drug companies to negotiate directly with the government on prices in Medicare and Medicaid. ALL I SEE IS OBAMACARE-LITE

The best way to get a deal is to make your opponent think they are making the decisions.

[rubicon]

What is pleasing to me is that Republicans are having a serious discussion concerning the replacement of ACA, and notlet's pass it so we can see what's in it.

My preference would be not to have a government run program again but turned over to the private sector. The country's insurance system and medical community survived before ACA and they can so again. Promotion of job growth will solve some of these problems

Trump is a master at what he does and his opposition always underestimates him leaving them with egg on their face.

I am beginning to gain more respect for Rand Paul because he has shown himself to be one of the few adults in the room

Trump is meeting opposition from Obama leftovers and he needs to clean them from the swamp because they continue to sabotage his every move. Trump hasn't blinked yet, has he.

This is the main reason he was elected because people believed he had the intestinal fortitude to stand against the radical left and the establishment. If he does nothing else but break up politics as usual he will have succeeded .

Personal Best Regards:

[Don Baldwin]

What is pleasing to me is that Republicans are having a serious discussion concerning the replacement of ACA, and notlet's pass it so we can see what's in it.

My preference would be not to have a government run program again but turned over to the private sector. The country's insurance system and medical community survived before ACA and they can so again. Promotion of job growth will solve some of these problems

Trump is a master at what he does and his opposition always underestimates him leaving them with egg on their face.

I am beginning to gain more respect for Rand Paul because he has shown himself to be one of the few adults in the room

Trump is meeting opposition from Obama leftovers and he needs to clean them from the swamp because they continue to sabotage his every move. Trump hasn't blinked yet, has he.

This is the main reason he was elected because people believed he had the intestinal fortitude to stand against the radical left and the establishment. If he does nothing else but break up politics as usual he will have succeeded .

Personal Best Regards:

No...to succeed...he MUST make America "white" again...otherwise...it only gets worse.

[dave harris]

What is pleasing to me is that Republicans are having a serious discussion concerning the replacement of ACA, and notlet's pass it so we can see what's in it.

My preference would be not to have a government run program again but turned over to the private sector. The country's insurance system and medical community survived before ACA and they can so again. Promotion of job growth will solve some of these problems

Trump is a master at what he does and his opposition always underestimates him leaving them with egg on their face.

I am beginning to gain more respect for Rand Paul because he has shown himself to be one of the few adults in the room

Trump is meeting opposition from Obama leftovers and he needs to clean them from the swamp because they continue to sabotage his every move. Trump hasn't blinked yet, has he.

This is the main reason he was elected because people believed he had the intestinal fortitude to stand against the radical left and the establishment. If he does nothing else but break up politics as usual he will have succeeded .

Personal Best Regards:

He is the establishment, don't kid yourself. The emergency rooms will again be the doctors office. Who do you think will pay for that?

[Don Baldwin]

He is the establishment, don't kid yourself. The emergency rooms will again be the doctors office. Who do you think will pay for that?

It's STILL cheaper than GIVING them FREE healthcare to go anywhere and use it as much as they want.

Taking care of welfare recipients is as stupid as taking care of "lifers" in prison. We're supposed to KEEP THEM ALIVE...so we can KEEP paying all their expenses?

[dave harris]

donny, which health insurance company wrote this boondoggle, you do ot have the capability to come up with something like this. I've seen your signature, learn how to write so it's distinguishable.

[dave harris]

What is pleasing to me is that Republicans are having a serious discussion concerning the replacement of ACA, and notlet's pass it so we can see what's in it.

My preference would be not to have a government run program again but turned over to the private sector. The country's insurance system and medical community survived before ACA and they can so again. Promotion of job growth will solve some of these problems

Trump is a master at what he does and his opposition always underestimates him leaving them with egg on their face.

I am beginning to gain more respect for Rand Paul because he has shown himself to be one of the few adults in the room

Trump is meeting opposition from Obama leftovers and he needs to clean them from the swam-p because they continue to sabotage his every move. Trump hasn't blinked yet, has he.

This is the main reason he was elected because people believed he had the intestinal fortitude to stand against the radical left and the establishment. If he does nothing else but break up politics as usual he will have succeeded .

Personal Best Regards:

Yes, the insurance companies have done a tremendous job lining their pockects. Letting people die because they can not pay and when they do refusing medical procedures that would have saved them. People with pre-existing conditions, no coverage for you, go die and when you get sick, your cancelled. I hope you have the chance to, in some way, experiance this.

[wjboyer1]

When Democrats passed Obamacare without a single Republican vote in 2010, Republicans railed against the “budget gimmicks” and “lack of transparency” they said Democrats used – even though the bill was debated for months, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office provided detailed cost and coverage estimates, and dozens of hearings were held.
But now, with their bill to repeal and “replace” it, Republicans say their plan's price tag and estimates of how many people it will cover aren’t really important. Forget the hearings, forget the analyses, forget the facts. Republicans are even trying to discredit whatever numbers the Congressional Budget Office comes up with.
Trump and the Republicans would rather function in a fact-free universe. That way, they can make up whatever they want to hear. The rest of America will pay the price.
What do you think?

[wjboyer1]

The new Republican health-care plan is awe-inspiringly awful - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/03/07/the-new-republican-health-care-plan-is-awe-inspiringly-awful/?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.d17ad9c25665)

[Rockyrd]

Does anyone recall the GOP quoting the CBO over and over while trying to dispute Obamacare ? I do, because I was one of them, and they were fairly accurate with their non biased numbers.

Well, this comment from the WH today



""If you're looking to the CBO for accuracy, you're looking in the wrong place," White House spokesman Sean Spicer told reporters."

Not much they don't attack.....

[Cedwards38]

AARP Opposes Healthcare Bill - AARP (http://www.aarp.org/politics-society/advocacy/info-2017/aarp-opposes-healthcare-bill.html)

[Cedwards38]

GOP Healthcare Plan: AARP, AMA, AHA Oppose Obamacare Replacement | Fortune.com (http://fortune.com/2017/03/08/gop-healthcare-plan-aarp-ama-aha/)

[Nucky]

This issue interests my greatly. I am going on Medicare on 4/1/2017 but my lovely wife stays home to care for me because I have this terrible problem where pain grabs me unexpectedly an I fall like a smoke stack. I just can't be alone. We are not gaming, cheating or goofing around here. Can you believe the plan they put out? Give me a break. Fortunately I am relatively certainly that the final coverage for my wife will be acceptable, not great but acceptable. Everything in life is a negotiation.

I really dislike Paul Ryan, I hope they find some dirt on him and bounce him out so he has the coverage he's pushing on us. There is a big difference between you'll love your coverage and this shot they shoveled out on our country.

[wjboyer1]

AARP, a group that advocates for senior citizens and other older Americans, shares her concern. The organization sent a letter to Congress yesterday saying the proposed bill would "dramatically increase health care costs for Americans aged 50-64."

Many seniors could face a significant increase in health care premiums, since insurance companies will be allowed to charge seniors five times as much as for younger people for a comparable plan. Under the current Affordable Care Act (ACA), insurers are limited to charging three times as much. The tax credits proposed in the AHCA, which would be dispensed mainly on the basis of age and income, would be smaller for older Americans compared with under the ACA, making insurance even more expensive for them.

"Taken together, premiums for older adults could increase by as much as $3,600 for a 55-year-old earning $25,000 a year, $7,000 for a 64-year-old earning $25,000 a year and up to $8,400 for a 64-year-old earning $15,000 a year," AARP said in its letter. The group said a typical senior seeking insurance on a state exchange has an annual income under $25,000.

[villagerjack]

The CBO numbers for Obamacare were totally wrong TOTALLY WRONG. It is imploding and instead of saving money it is so costly, many cannot afford to buy it. Deductibles are so high you really cannot afford to use it. You have a card but no insurance.

[villagerjack]

AARP supported Obamacare. They are really an insurance broker

[rubicon]

Yes, the insurance companies have done a tremendous job lining their pockects. Letting people die because they can not pay and when they do refusing medical procedures that would have saved them. People with pre-existing conditions, no coverage for you, go die and when you get sick, your cancelled. I hope you have the chance to, in some way, experiance this.

Dear Poster

You are letting your emotions control your judgment. You are allowing political rhetoric to stand in the way of clarity.

Insurance companies are one of the most government regulated in the nation. government regulators place limits on each premium dollar
( ie how much to pay claims vis a vis expenses. It is a fallacy to say a person dies because of an insurance company. if you desire to further discuss this aspect we can on another thread because it can get complicated

The repeal of ACA should be done in increments. GOP is off to a good start because they are balancing the needs of insured, insured and the medical community.

the issue of a pre-exisitng condition is indeed tricky and one in which care needs to be taken in its planning because it is a pivotal issue.

if you ran an insurance company would you want to insure someone who had a serious illness and at the premium government regulators set? Of course not you would go broke...and many insurance companies did.

So some balancing mechanism has to be in place to compensate because an insurance company reserves are based on premium income. So if a company has too many insureds with pre-existing condition they will pay out much more than they are taking in and the company will cave leaving many people without insurance.

Now let's discuss the people who didn't buy insurance until they got sick. Name another type business that would allow a loss to occur before they accepted the liability?

The removal and replace of ACA is not complicated but the politics are and that is what is going on now.

Personal Best Regards:

[ColdNoMore]

The entire issue boils down to a simple premise.

Do you, or don't you, believe that one of governments primary roles is to ensure the ability of its citizens...to have affordable healthcare?

All other developed nations on this rock...long ago made the decision that it is.

Most of those on the right, have made it clear that they prefer a war machine and its use, as well as trying to help the richest pay less taxes in the proven false hope that some of it will trickle down to them...over helping fellow American citizens. :ohdear:

That kind of selfishness and Un-American thinking...Is at the root of our problems.


Deepest Sincere Wishes:. :wave:

[Don Baldwin]

Does anyone recall the GOP quoting the CBO over and over while trying to dispute Obamacare ? I do, because I was one of them, and they were fairly accurate with their non biased numbers.

Well, this comment from the WH today



""If you're looking to the CBO for accuracy, you're looking in the wrong place," White House spokesman Sean Spicer told reporters."

Not much they don't attack.....

ALL government "numbers" are suspect. They lie about just about everything.

AARP, a group that advocates for senior citizens and other older Americans, shares her concern. The organization sent a letter to Congress yesterday saying the proposed bill would "dramatically increase health care costs for Americans aged 50-64."

Many seniors could face a significant increase in health care premiums, since insurance companies will be allowed to charge seniors five times as much as for younger people for a comparable plan. Under the current Affordable Care Act (ACA), insurers are limited to charging three times as much. The tax credits proposed in the AHCA, which would be dispensed mainly on the basis of age and income, would be smaller for older Americans compared with under the ACA, making insurance even more expensive for them.

"Taken together, premiums for older adults could increase by as much as $3,600 for a 55-year-old earning $25,000 a year, $7,000 for a 64-year-old earning $25,000 a year and up to $8,400 for a 64-year-old earning $15,000 a year," AARP said in its letter. The group said a typical senior seeking insurance on a state exchange has an annual income under $25,000.

It MUST go up...because the cost of healthcare IS going up. You can't buy a new car for the same "payment" you had for your first car in the 1960s. Because cars cost more now.

The CBO numbers for Obamacare were totally wrong TOTALLY WRONG. It is imploding and instead of saving money it is so costly, many cannot afford to buy it. Deductibles are so high you really cannot afford to use it. You have a card but no insurance.

ALL government numbers are wrong.

If you use $1 million in your lifetime...you'd have to have paid over $1000 a month from birth to age 80...to break even. ANYONE paying less is being subsidized.

AARP supported Obamacare. They are really an insurance broker

Or/and...they get paid by others to say what will help them. AARP is a POLITICAL organization.

[Don Baldwin]

The entire issue boils down to a simple premise.

Do you, or don't you, believe that one of governments primary roles is to ensure the ability of its citizens...to have affordable healthcare?

All other developed nations on this rock...long ago made the decision that it is.

Most of those on the right, have made it clear that they prefer a war machine and its use, as well as trying to help the richest pay less taxes in the proven false hope that some of it will trickle down to them...over helping fellow American citizens. :ohdear:

That kind of selfishness and Un-American thinking...Is at the root of our problems.


Deepest Sincere Wishes:. :wave:

No...HALF the country being poor minorities who don't pull their weight is the ROOT of the problem.

The working half CAN'T keep supporting the nonworking half. It USED to work when the "poor" were a small percentage of the population...it DOESN'T work when HALF the population gets something from the government.

[dirtbanker]

GOP Healthcare Plan: AARP, AMA, AHA Oppose Obamacare Replacement | Fortune.com (http://fortune.com/2017/03/08/gop-healthcare-plan-aarp-ama-aha/)

Does anyone remember any insurance company saying Obammacare was bad 3 years ago?

This sounds promising to me:
6 ways the new health care reform bill would affect your wallet - AOL Finance (https://www.aol.com/article/finance/2017/03/07/6-ways-the-new-health-care-reform-bill-would-affect-your-wallet/21875604/)

And to emulate Rockface (you must read these paragraphs from the link I have provided, I know this is important for you to know):


What's staying

The Republican legislation leaves aspects of the Affordable Care Act intact. They include:


1. Protections for pre-existing conditions: Health insurance companies would still be prohibited from denying coverage or charging more money to a patient because the patient has pre-existing health conditions.

2. Dependent coverage for young adults: Dependents would still be allowed to stay on their parents' health insurance plan until they are 26.

What's going

The Affordable Care Act contains 21 measures designed to raise federal revenue, and the new legislation would "explicitly repeal" 14 of them, according to an analysis by the nonprofit Tax Foundation. The repealed measures that would affect the average person include:


3. The individual mandate: Individuals who fail to maintain minimum essential health insurance coverage would no longer be financially penalized.


4. The increased threshold for medical deductions: Current law allows households to deduct eligible medical expenses from their federal income taxes only if they exceed 10 percent of the household's income, up from the prior threshold of 7.5 percent. The new legislation would lower the threshold back down to 7.5 percent.

What's new

Other changes in the Republican legislation include:


5. Increased contribution limits for HSAs: The basic limit on the total amount of contributions that you can make to a health savings account (HSA) each year would be increased to the maximum annual deductible and out-of-pocket expenses allowed under a high-deductible health insurance plan. That amounts to at least $6,550 in the case of self-only coverage and $13,100 in the case of family coverage.


6. A refundable tax credit: A tax credit of $2,000 to $14,000 per year would be available to low- and middle-income households that don't receive insurance through an employer or a government program. Eligible households include individuals making up to $75,000 per year, or joint filers making up to $150,000.

Liberal nit picking whine to ensue...your up Rockface.