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Guest
07-30-2009, 05:14 AM
This is probably real simple, and I should know it, but my DC years were spent working for the DoD and I seldom had dealings with the Hill. I figure Steve and several other versed in the workings of the gov't could knock this one out easily.

So, let's say the House passes a bill on health care as does the Senate. The two bills differ drastically, in some cases being diametrically opposed. Pure supposition, but let's say the House bill contains provisions that would never be passed by the Senate, and maybe vice versa. We all know that the two bills would then go to the infamous "Conference".

So the Speaker and the Majority Leader would designate members of the Conference, naturally with at least a slight party slant. The Conference is to then work out a compromise bill, merging the primary points of the two diverse bills, and come up with a joint piece of legislation.

Do the respective chambers then vote again on the final bill? If so, is it at all common for one or both to vote down/veto the bill?

If not, what is to preclude the majority party from "compromising" during negotiation and vote of the Senate bill just to get something passed, then include, "in Conference", whatever they wanted in the first place? We often hear about things stuck on bills in one of the chambers that the talking heads comment will never get through Conference. Is there some Super Super Majority needed to pass things in Conference?

Okay, now that I've displayed my ignorance and disillusioned any who may have thought me at all intelligent, I can still name all the State Capitals, the Presidents in order, and the starting line-up of the 1955 KC A's, and can count down from 100 by 7's without pausing.




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Guest
07-30-2009, 07:48 AM
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/riddick/449-493.pdf

The above URL describes the process.

In the end, the committee report proposes legislative language, most often as an amendment to the the Senate Bill or House Resolution (whichever is easier). The report goes directly to both houses of congress for vote.

Bottom line is that the language has to be agreed by both houses. If after committee the measure fails to pass in either house, it usually is dead for the rest of the term.

Guest
07-31-2009, 02:26 AM
Thanx for the reply, Steve. Easy to say now, but I assumed it had to be something like that. I think my confusion has been caused by terminology. Rightly or wrongly, I tend to think of laws being voted upon by Congress as "Bills" or possibly Resolutions. Whenever I heard/read that "X Report" was approved by the House or Senate, I mistakenly interpreted it as a lesser action. Good to learn something and correct a misconception. Thanx again.

I did find it interesting that due to legalese and governmentese, they take almost 50 pages to discuss a subject that you can explain in a paragraph. I know much of the technical stuff is needed, but not 50 pages worth.

Aside -- how long do you think the average Executive Summery will be for HR 3200?



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Guest
07-31-2009, 07:48 AM
Thanx for the reply, Steve. Easy to say now, but I assumed it had to be something like that. I think my confusion has been caused by terminology. Rightly or wrongly, I tend to think of laws being voted upon by Congress as "Bills" or possibly Resolutions. Whenever I heard/read that "X Report" was approved by the House or Senate, I mistakenly interpreted it as a lesser action. Good to learn something and correct a misconception. Thanx again.

I did find it interesting that due to legalese and governmentese, they take almost 50 pages to discuss a subject that you can explain in a paragraph. I know much of the technical stuff is needed, but not 50 pages worth.

Aside -- how long do you think the average Executive Summery will be for HR 3200?

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Depends on how much is the same between the bill and resolution. If they do it right, there'll be a comparison matrix provided to the congressfolk as an aid.

As far as the "legalese," it is crucial that everything get defined as tightly as possible. If not, then regulations get blurry and when cases (inevitably) end up in court, then judges must decide what the "intent of Congress" was with the writing, and they must take the language at face value. Better to get it defined correctly at the onset, than have a myriad of court cases and judges acting as Congressional mind readers after-the-fact.

Guest
07-31-2009, 08:24 AM
Sorry if I was confusing. I meant the legalese and gov't talk in Riddick's Senate Procedures. I am strongly in favor of legislation being as precise as possible. We've had too many acts that had way too much wiggle room so they could be interpreted pretty much as one desired. Maybe it's too much "will" and not enough "shall".

Thanx again.



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