Village of Southern Oaks

[Dan9871]

That other news source, villages news, reports that the Villages will be adding a new property with another 20,000 homes besides Fenny, on Route 44. This property abuts route 44.

[Chatbrat]

Gotta do something to drum up business for the Brownwood Town Sq.

[skip0358]

Don't think they're done yet either ! JMO

[champion6]

That other news source, villages news, reports that the Villages will be adding a new property with another 20,000 homes besides Fenny, on Route 44. This property abuts route 44.This property DOES NOT abut 44. In the picture that is part on the online news report, the diagonal red lines designate the City of Wildwood. The property being called Southern Oaks is bounded by the yellow dashed line. It does not go all the way north to 44. See attached picture.

[Mrs. Robinson]

Ho-Hum. Another 20,300 homes to be built in the area.

I would like to think they are (currently) planning to widen these back woods country bumpkin roads,
but alas -- I'm sure they haven't factored that into the equation yet. As of right now, we're
probably ten years behind the times.

[EnglishJW]

Gotta do something to drum up business for the Brownwood Town Sq.

Agree completely.

[champion6]

Ho-Hum. Another 20,300 homes to be built in the area.

I would like to think they are (currently) planning to widen these back woods country bumpkin roads,
but alas -- I'm sure they haven't factored that into the equation yet. As of right now, we're
probably ten years behind the times.Well, let's look at this ...

Much of CR468 has already been widened to four lanes. Eventually the entire stretch from 44 to 301 will be four lanes.

CR 501 is being improved.

An interchange with the Turnpike is planned for intersection with CR468.

[billethkid]

Not to worry about whether the roads will be adequate....some of us remember when the word of the day was expanding across the little two lane road called 466......and the non-existent Morse Blvd.

What we know for sure is all the development south of 44 will add to the retail critical mass and attract much more of and duplicates of national establishments/chains.

Do you know what was here for shopping and restaurants before expanding across 466 (not 466A)?

Not very much!!!

[villagetinker]

I went back to reread the article, as I understand it, the entire red crossed hatched area is where the homes will be built (I may be wrong), with some in Wildwood (red boundary) and the rest in Sumter county (yellow boundary). The red crossed hatched area does abut 44, so I guess the next announcement will be a bridge across 44 in the area of 468. I really hope they do not propose an AT GRADE crossing for golf carts.
Looks like we bought in the future middle of the villages (just south of 466a)!!!!!

[blueash]

Yippie, it's math time
Per Wikipedia the 2016 numbers for TV are 1700 residents per square mile. One square mile is 640 acres, so rounding off, about 2.7 residents per acre. There are 1.9 residents per household

My house is on 0.2 acres of land, or 0.1 acres per resident. If there were no streets or rec centers or golf courses or trails or... that density of 0.1 acres per person gives 10 persons per acre

Fenney is to have 14000 homes = 26000 residents on 8000 acres or 3.3 residents per acre

S. Oaks is proposed to have 20,300 homes = 38000 residents on 4518 acres or 8.5 residents per acre.

Something is missing either in my math, or in the new development. Perhaps no golf courses? There are going to be three times as many people per acre in the new development. I can only hope the numbers in the online news are wrong and that the acres are not really 4518. At least on the map shown it looks bigger than Fenney which is said to have 8000 acres.
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edit; okay I may have misinterpreted the numbers in the online news story
Perhaps the sentence "The Villages announced the purchase of 8,000 acres near the turnpike which could accommodate 14,000 homes. But the proposed Wildwood ordinance would permit 20,300 homes on 4,518 acres of the property." should be interpreted differently..

That this new area, Southern Oaks, is an area of 8000 acres and that of that 8000 this announcement concerns 4518 acres on which these 14000 homes are being built. And that the remaining 3482 acres will have 6300 homes, giving the total of 20,300 homes. So revise my math to 38,000 residents on 8000 acres which gives 4.75 residents per acre. And delete all figures for Fenney as I erred in thinking the 8000 acre area referred to in the online news meant Fenney.
Corrected Fenney numbers seem to be 3000 homes on 1047 acres or 5.4 residents per acre. So both new developments are significantly more densely populated than the contiguous villages.

[Bogie Shooter]

Ho-Hum. Another 20,300 homes to be built in the area.

I would like to think they are (currently) planning to widen these back woods country bumpkin roads,
but alas -- I'm sure they haven't factored that into the equation yet. As of right now, we're
probably ten years behind the times.

Where are these back woods country bumpkin roads?

[villagetinker]

OK, I need to look this up, but I thought Fenny was around 4000 homes, not 14,000.

[champion6]

Yippie, it's math time
Per Wikipedia the 2016 numbers for TV are 1700 residents per square mile. One square mile is 640 acres, so rounding off, about 2.7 residents per acre. There are 1.9 residents per household

My house is on 0.2 acres of land, or 0.1 acres per resident. If there were no streets or rec centers or golf courses or trails or... that density of 0.1 acres per person gives 10 persons per acre

Fenney is to have 14000 homes = 26000 residents on 8000 acres or 3.3 residents per acre

S. Oaks is proposed to have 20,300 homes = 38000 residents on 4518 acres or 8.5 residents per acre.

Something is missing either in my math, or in the new development. Perhaps no golf courses? There are going to be three times as many people per acre in the new development. I can only hope the numbers in the online news are wrong and that the acres are not really 4518. At least on the map shown it looks bigger than Fenney which is said to have 8000 acres.Numbers become a jumbled mess after a while. News reports sometimes jumble the numbers.

Fenny is about 1,000 acres and will have about 3,000 homes plus amenities. Link to March 29, 2016 article in online news site: www.villages_dash_news.com/surprise-move-villages-build-homes-village-feeney-wildwood/
Of course, _dash_ must be replaced with a hyphen.

Southern Oaks may have as many as 20,300 homes in an area of about 4,518 acres south of SR 44 and east of US 301 on both sides of the Florida Turnpike. Link to March 14, 2017 article in online news site: www.villages_dash_news.com/villages-southern-oaks-wins-permission-many-20300-homes/

However, we have read articles stating 8,000 acres. Who among us really knows? TV has a "formula" that works. I believe that successful formula will be used in Fenney and Southern Oaks.

[stan the man]

And I hope they don't change the master plan for developing golf courses in the villages. level off the pasture, dig about 60 four foot holes, Fill the holes three quarters of the way up with some garbage sand. do not get good white sand. Too expensive. Now make 18 circles put 18 holes in the middle of each circle and some grass seed and Pick a name, put up a sign and you done

[Bogie Shooter]

And I hope they don't change the master plan for developing golf courses in the villages. level off the pasture, dig about 60 four foot holes, Fill the holes three quarters of the way up with some garbage sand. do not get good white sand. Too expensive. Now make 18 circles put 18 holes in the middle of each circle and some grass seed and Pick a name, put up a sign and you done

Where do you play golf?

[Jayhawk]

Took a drive down there this afternoon. Right after turning off 44 onto Morse headed South, you will start seeing little Conestoga wagons with The Villages branded on the top. Pretty clear this will all eventually connect to Fenney.

I have no doubt it was thoroughly researched and will be first class. Looking forward to seeing it come to life.

:BigApplause:

[jimmemac]

Numbers become a jumbled mess after a while. News reports sometimes jumble the numbers.

Fenny is about 1,000 acres and will have about 3,000 homes plus amenities. Link to March 29, 2016 article in online news site: www.villages_dash_news.com/surprise-move-villages-build-homes-village-feeney-wildwood/
Of course, _dash_ must be replaced with a hyphen.

Southern Oaks may have as many as 20,300 homes in an area of about 4,518 acres south of SR 44 and east of US 301 on both sides of the Florida Turnpike. Link to March 14, 2017 article in online news site: www.villages_dash_news.com/villages-southern-oaks-wins-permission-many-20300-homes/

However, we have read articles stating 8,000 acres. Who among us really knows? TV has a "formula" that works. I believe that successful formula will be used in Fenney and Southern Oaks.

I agree 100% the math doesn't add up the way they have done things in the past. We shall see.

[gatherer47]

I hope they're going to build a hospital in that area !

[Greg Nelson]

MIND Boggling

[Shimpy]

Yippie, it's math time
.

Hey blueash, after dusting off your slide rule, you really got it going again. :pepper2:

[maybe]

Odd how "The Daily Sun" failed to report today's special zoning meeting on the front page. One might think that the developer wants a fait accompli !
Wildwood has just informed me by phone that this matter will also be considered in a Commission meeting on March 28 at 7 PM, at City Hall, 100 North Main St. [ Rt 301] , Wildwood.
And again at the Rezoning meeting on April 4, at 2 PM, same location.
And again at Commission meeting on May 8, 2017, 7 PM.

[Shimpy]

[QUOTE=Mrs. Robinson;1372750
I would like to think they are (currently) planning to widen these back woods country bumpkin roads,
.[/QUOTE]

Mrs. Robinson, haven't you ever enjoyed taking a country back road through horse and cattle country? There is so much to see and enjoy. I especially like to smell the fire places burning this time of the year. Nice 2 lane country roads are getting wiped out by big city folks that only know highways, shopping centers and traffic lights.

[patfla06]

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[Jayhawk]

I hope they're going to build a hospital in that area !

They would have already if the state of Florida would approve it. Required by law.

[golfing eagles]

Took a drive down there this afternoon. Right after turning off 44 onto Morse headed South, you will start seeing little Conestoga wagons with The Villages branded on the top. Pretty clear this will all eventually connect to Fenney.

I have no doubt it was thoroughly researched and will be first class. Looking forward to seeing it come to life.

:BigApplause:

Are these wagons on 468 JUST south of 44, on the land that TV THEORETICALLY does not own??????

[Jayhawk]

Are these wagons on 468 JUST south of 44, on the land that TV THEORETICALLY does not own??????

Yes.

[graciegirl]

:a20:Ho-Hum. Another 20,300 homes to be built in the area.

I would like to think they are (currently) planning to widen these back woods country bumpkin roads,
but alas -- I'm sure they haven't factored that into the equation yet. As of right now, we're
probably ten years behind the times.

Have you forgotten how they widened 466A prior to Pine Hills?

[graciegirl]

Odd how "The Daily Sun" failed to report today's special zoning meeting on the front page. One might think that the developer wants a fait accompli !
Wildwood has just informed me by phone that this matter will also be considered in a Commission meeting on March 28 at 7 PM, at City Hall, 100 North Main St. [ Rt 301] , Wildwood.
And again at the Rezoning meeting on April 4, at 2 PM, same location.
And again at Commission meeting on May 8, 2017, 7 PM.


My money is on the Morses. They don't talk much but they DO a lot. AND they know a lot not known to us commoners.

[VillagerNut]

Are these wagons on 468 JUST south of 44, on the land that TV THEORETICALLY does not own??????

There are four wagons on the way down to Fenney! The answer is where the wagons are the developer owns that land already! It may not be zoned the way they need it, but they own it. They also own land west of 301 just west of the 468 intersection. All this information was discovered on my two tours down to Fenney in the last two weeks.

[Jayhawk]

My money is on the Morses. They don't talk much but they DO a lot. AND they know a lot not known to us commoners.

Right on, sister !!!

[kcrazorbackfan]

I went back to reread the article, as I understand it, the entire red crossed hatched area is where the homes will be built (I may be wrong), with some in Wildwood (red boundary) and the rest in Sumter county (yellow boundary). The red crossed hatched area does abut 44, so I guess the next announcement will be a bridge across 44 in the area of 468. I really hope they do not propose an AT GRADE crossing for golf carts.
Looks like we bought in the future middle of the villages (just south of 466a)!!!!!

Oh, I really hope they don't do that either; don't see how they could.

[pauld315]

I heard a year ago that they have plans going through the approval process to build 6 tunnels under 44. Guess we will have to see if that comes to fruition. I firmly believe they either own all the land all the way down to Fenney or they are in negotiations for it. Fenney will be the most southern village (for awhile anyway). It was developed first because it already had all the permits, environmental studies etc done because another developer sold it to them.

[TheDude]

I guess one day Fenney will be SoHo, Brownwood will be known as Midtown West, Sumter will be Upper East Side and SS will be...

[circletrack]

This property DOES NOT abut 44. In the picture that is part on the online news report, the diagonal red lines designate the City of Wildwood. The property being called Southern Oaks is bounded by the yellow dashed line. It does not go all the way north to 44. See attached picture.

The land shown in this map looks a lot like the land already shown when the Sun did that big Fenney story.

Are we sure this 20,000 doesn't include the 14,000 from before?

[circletrack]

Numbers become a jumbled mess after a while. News reports sometimes jumble the numbers.

Fenny is about 1,000 acres and will have about 3,000 homes plus amenities. Link to March 29, 2016 article in online news site: www.villages_dash_news.com/surprise-move-villages-build-homes-village-feeney-wildwood/
Of course, _dash_ must be replaced with a hyphen.

Southern Oaks may have as many as 20,300 homes in an area of about 4,518 acres south of SR 44 and east of US 301 on both sides of the Florida Turnpike. Link to March 14, 2017 article in online news site: www.villages_dash_news.com/villages-southern-oaks-wins-permission-many-20300-homes/

However, we have read articles stating 8,000 acres. Who among us really knows? TV has a "formula" that works. I believe that successful formula will be used in Fenney and Southern Oaks.

Yeah, something isn't adding up here.

[chachacha]

is anyone besides me concerned that when we bought our homes we were told that the build out would be complete in 3-4 years (that was eight years ago!) and then our property values would shoot up...Instead of that false advertising, we are now faced with the prospect of more homes out there than there will be baby boomers to require them in a few years and selling our homes will be more difficult as we are limited to a market of seniors. i hope homeowners will think about this and show up at those commission meetings to voice our displeasure. there IS such a things as "too much of a good thing"!

[twoplanekid]

Much greater detail from the Wildwood site on density and other issues -> http://wildwoodcityfl.iqm2.com/Citizens/FileOpen.aspx?Type=1&ID=1159&Inline=True

[Hancle704]

In all the posts read so far, only 2 mention hope for a new hospital. I hope this is not a repeat of the first Villages Hospital. It took years and opened with 60 beds. Too small on opening day. It has since grown but not enough to currently meet the needs during peak season. Add another 20-50 thousand residents, and it is guaranteed all those folks will already be living in Village homes before we see completion of any new hospital. Staffing is already a problem not only for hospital but for assisted living communities and service businesses needed to provide for all the growth. All the growth has been fine but there are many unintended consequences. The cyclical nature of weather has brought near drought conditions in the past. That may also be an issue down the road along with the recent okay given to pump millions of gallons of water from the aquifer for a nearby bottling plant. Maybe it is time to change focus from further expansion and more golf courses to the future needs of current residents.

[TheDude]

I just want an AT&T tower

[Reiver]

The bottling plant is approved to use 496,000 gallons of water daily.
The Villages uses 23 million gallons per day.
The plant will use the same amount of water as 2,156 people, or 1,026 houses.

[justjim]

More Doctors and nurses are needed to staff the facilities already here. Given the mild climate of central Florida and the reasonable cost of living, one would think these professionals would be attracted to this area. That said, I wouldn't bet against the Village Developer getting more hospital beds and recruiting more doctors and nurses to The Villages, Florida. The Villages is the "talk" of the real estate world.

[Barefoot]

is anyone besides me concerned that when we bought our homes we were told that the build out would be complete in 3-4 years (that was eight years ago!) and then our property values would shoot up...Instead of that false advertising, we are now faced with the prospect of more homes out there than there will be baby boomers to require them in a few years and selling our homes will be more difficult as we are limited to a market of seniors. i hope homeowners will think about this and show up at those commission meetings to voice our displeasure. there IS such a things as "too much of a good thing"!
I think owning a house in The Villages is a very good investment. I'm not at all worried about resale value.
I think we should open our arms and hearts, and welcome new residents to our beautiful city.

[rubicon]

is anyone besides me concerned that when we bought our homes we were told that the build out would be complete in 3-4 years (that was eight years ago!) and then our property values would shoot up...Instead of that false advertising, we are now faced with the prospect of more homes out there than there will be baby boomers to require them in a few years and selling our homes will be more difficult as we are limited to a market of seniors. i hope homeowners will think about this and show up at those commission meetings to voice our displeasure. there IS such a things as "too much of a good thing"!

I agree. Overbuilding was one of my concerns as I contemplated buying here and lower taxes were the offset

The Villages Lake-Sumter, Inc. (Developer) has always had the governor's ear. It is why, "in actuality" a private school can be certified as a charter school..thank Jeb Bush.

TVLSI has Governor Scott's ear and you can bet that a bridge, a tunnel, etc to connect all of The Villages properties will be erected and any accommodation TVLSI requires. Its good business ...but lousy for residents.

One poster spoke of people per acre. heck that is not my concern. My concern is when all those people decide to move from acre to acre for shopping dining golfing.............

TVLSI are the pied pipers of shang-ri-li living that was their hook

I know if you don't like it here ,,,move if only the solution was that easy

[golfing eagles]

I heard a year ago that they have plans going through the approval process to build 6 tunnels under 44. Guess we will have to see if that comes to fruition. I firmly believe they either own all the land all the way down to Fenney or they are in negotiations for it. Fenney will be the most southern village (for awhile anyway). It was developed first because it already had all the permits, environmental studies etc done because another developer sold it to them.

6 tunnels???? Would seem excessive considering there are 2 under 466, 2 under 466A and one bridge over 441, not to mention the cost.

[golfing eagles]

More Doctors and nurses are needed to staff the facilities already here. Given the mild climate of central Florida and the reasonable cost of living, one would think these professionals would be attracted to this area. That said, I wouldn't bet against the Village Developer getting more hospital beds and recruiting more doctors and nurses to The Villages, Florida. The Villages is the "talk" of the real estate world.

Not as attractive as one might think. Some professionals relocating to FL might want to be on the coast. Others might not want a primarily geriatric patient population. Some might want to be associated with a University hospital. If they have kids, they might not want to be herded into a "family living" enclave. And their financial package is average at best, they have an EMR that is not user friendly, you are working for a corporate entity and have to follow THEIR rules in addition to all the other rules made by the government and the insurers. However, they do send out a nice recruiting postcard every month or so; I have a collection of several dozen, wonder what that costs them?

[ColdNoMore]

I think owning a house in The Villages is a very good investment. I'm not at all worried about resale value.
I think we should open our arms and hearts, and welcome new residents to our beautiful city.
:thumbup:

While I realize there are a number of TV'ers that have purchased more than one house here, I'm thinking for the majority of us 'frogs'...resale value isn't really an issue anyway.

"Let the kids worry about it"...is my position. :shrug:

As far as it being so crowded, particularly during peak season, I also don't worry about that too much as the seasonal folks do go away for a while and pay the same fees as us full-timers...even though they don't use the facilities year around (thanks for that Barefoot :D ).


Even with warts and all, it's still overall a great place to live so I am certainly not going to be selfish and get an attitude of... "I found mine, you go somewhere else." :ho:

[golfing eagles]

:thumbup:

While I realize there are a number of TV'ers that have purchased more than one house here, I'm thinking for the majority of us 'frogs'...resale value isn't really an issue anyway.

"Let the kids worry about it"...is my position. :shrug:

As far as it being so crowded, particularly during peak season, I also don't worry about that too much as the seasonal folks do go away for a while and pay the same fees as us full-timers...even though they don't use the facilities year around (thanks for that Barefoot :D ).


Even with warts and all, it's still overall a great place to live so I am certainly not going to be selfish and get an attitude of... "I found mine, you go somewhere else." :ho:

Oh, no. I must be living in an episode of the twilight zone, since I once again agree with you. I've lost count of the score. I think someone drugged my coffee:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[ColdNoMore]

Oh, no. I must be living in an episode of the twilight zone, since I once again agree with you. I've lost count of the score. I think someone drugged my coffee:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

It's 4.5:5.5...in MY favor. :1rotfl: :1rotfl:

[graciegirl]

:thumbup:

While I realize there are a number of TV'ers that have purchased more than one house here, I'm thinking for the majority of us 'frogs'...resale value isn't really an issue anyway.

"Let the kids worry about it"...is my position. :shrug:

As far as it being so crowded, particularly during peak season, I also don't worry about that too much as the seasonal folks do go away for a while and pay the same fees as us full-timers...even though they don't use the facilities year around (thanks for that Barefoot :D ).


Even with warts and all, it's still overall a great place to live so I am certainly not going to be selfish and get an attitude of... "I found mine, you go somewhere else." :ho:

I agree. :wave:

[golfing eagles]

It's 4.5:5.5...in MY favor. :1rotfl: :1rotfl:

How did it jump from 4.5 to 1.5 in MY favor to 4.5 to 5.5 in YOURS. Looks like "fuzzy math" to me:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[ColdNoMore]

How did it jump from 4.5 to 1.5 in MY favor to 4.5 to 5.5 in YOURS. Looks like "fuzzy math" to me:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Dang...busted. :oops:

You lied then when you said... "I've lost count of the score."


:D

[golfing eagles]

Dang...busted. :oops:

You lied then when you said... "I've lost count of the score."


:D

Just a simple sting operation:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[blueash]

Much greater detail from the Wildwood site on density and other issues -> http://wildwoodcityfl.iqm2.com/Citizens/FileOpen.aspx?Type=1&ID=1159&Inline=True

Thank you for that link. It is the text of the proposal and a document from TV asking for changes in the Wildwood planning rules. Essentially what has been done, IMO, is that the city of Wildwood has agreed to lower their standards to make them conform to Sumter County's rules. Civics lessons way back when taught that each jurisdiction as it became more urbanized would have more regulation. Thus the county would be less regulated than a township, and a city more regulated than a township.

This process is being reversed and the city of Wildwood is lowering its rules for the Villages.

Included in this amendment is a change in how wetlands are to be protected. They will be mostly removed from protection on this property and future private property and only protected on public property.

And the definition of lands which must be left natural for the benefit of endangered species is also changed. It had said that land containing such species must be protected as well as "primary habitat". That has been removed. So if no animal is nesting there today, it can be developed. Underlined clause to be removed:


"Policy 1.14.3 Wildlife habitat occupied by endangered, threatened, or species of special concern (particularly those identified as primary habitat for endangered or threatened species) shall be protected and conserved directly or indirectly by rules and principles established in Conservation policies. "

and this new rule inserted by TV

"Development impacts to listed species will be avoided when practicable." my bold

For further reading on how TV is changing the Wildwood rules on protection of wetlands and protected species begin reading at packet page 103 in the link (http://http://wildwoodcityfl.iqm2.com/Citizens/FileOpen.aspx?Type=1&ID=1159&Inline=True)

[thelegges]

More Doctors and nurses are needed to staff the facilities already here. Given the mild climate of central Florida and the reasonable cost of living, one would think these professionals would be attracted to this area. That said, I wouldn't bet against the Village Developer getting more hospital beds and recruiting more doctors and nurses to The Villages, Florida. The Villages is the "talk" of the real estate world.

Before more beds are added you need a CON, from the state, with the flux of seasonal residents, its harder to prove need of beds. Yes TV sends recruiting info, but for about 60% less income warm weather or not most don't take that option.

[Taltarzac725]

Alexander Wept - Hans Gruber - YouTube (https://youtu.be/w9yKJeUesIQ)

They are getting there!!

[patfla06]

Am I the only one not happy with this news?
Another 20,000 homes?

Imagine the traffic, the restaurants and stores, etc. that will turn into feeling like snow bird season all year round.

This has happened to me in N.J. & Tampa - I moved into a quieter place and they built it up until the quality of life wasn't there anymore.

Of course The Villages doing the expansion I know it will be a total class act.
But that is a huge increase in the area!

[circletrack]

This will probably get lost amongst all the speculation, but the Online News has backed off from their "20,000 more homes" and has replaced it with a new article stating that this whole thing is still 14,000 including Fenney. Just as previously announced weeks ago.

No mention of their incorrect math from before.

[golfing eagles]

Before more beds are added you need a CON, from the state, with the flux of seasonal residents, its harder to prove need of beds. Yes TV sends recruiting info, but for about 60% less income warm weather or not most don't take that option.

The question actually is whether or not more inpatient beds are needed, more physicians are needed, both, or neither. Given enough political clout, a CON is relatively easy to obtain.

My post on recruiting was referring to TV Health system, not hospitalists or ER physicians. Their offer is hardly "60% less income", actually, it is just a shade under the national average for primary care (including both FPs and internists). So, if you are just finishing a family practice residency in Mississippi, it's a pretty good offer. If you are a board certified internist with 30 years of clinical, administrative and teaching experience, it's not so good. If you are a FMG who desperately needs any job just to maintain a J-1 visa and stay in the country, anything is a good offer. The lifestyle advantage is pretty good---40 hrs. a week office work, minimal call responsibility, 4 weeks vacation plus CME, malpractice and health insurance paid.

I don't know what they are offering hospitalists, but very likely around the national average as well. The ER docs are employed by an outside group, so that's a different situation.

From what I observed, the problem in the ER would seem to be less related to the number of physicians, but the pace at which they and the staff work, as well as how quickly the floors clear rooms and accept new patients. Seasonal influx plays a role, but I've worked in ERs a lot busier than this with nowhere near the waiting times that patients are reporting

[circletrack]

Am I the only one not happy with this news?
Another 20,000 homes?

Imagine the traffic, the restaurants and stores, etc. that will turn into feeling like snow bird season all year round.

This has happened to me in N.J. & Tampa - I moved into a quieter place and they built it up until the quality of life wasn't there anymore.

Of course The Villages doing the expansion I know it will be a total class act.
But that is a huge increase in the area!

Read the replaced article. It's all back to the previously announced 14,000 including Fenney. It's not an additional 20k. Someone got their math wrong.

[patfla06]

As for thinking having to sell your house will be your KIDS problem, not yours, you shouldn't count on that.

You don't know if you will need to sell for various reasons,
Including needing assisted living.

More homes, more competition.
And new homes will be more attractive to a lot of people.

I always feel location, location, location but a lot don't.

I'm just saying......

[patfla06]

Read the replaced article. It's all back to the previously announced 14,000 including Fenney. It's not an additional 20k. Someone got their math wrong.

That's still 28,000 more people on the roads.

The 14,000 homes are just the beginning!

[circletrack]

That's still 28,000 more people on the roads.

The 14,000 homes are just the beginning!

That I can't dispute. Just think it's crazy they can post a totally incorrect article, get everyone all riled up, then delete it and replace it with no mention of the error.

[golfing eagles]

That's still 28,000 more people on the roads.

The 14,000 homes are just the beginning!

True, but there will also be more roads, just as there will be more amenities. I really can't envision hoards of residents of Fenny/Southern Oaks flocking to use Mulberry Rec Center, can you? And I doubt they'll eat up tee times at Walnut Grove either. As long as infrastructure keeps up with the population, the change should be minimal.

Also consider this: If they build 14,000 new homes, I'll bet they sell 14,000 new homes. This means there is a market for 14,000 new homes and someone will build them. I'd much rather the developers of TV build them than some unknown entity.

[Bonny]

is anyone besides me concerned that when we bought our homes we were told that the build out would be complete in 3-4 years (that was eight years ago!) and then our property values would shoot up...Instead of that false advertising, we are now faced with the prospect of more homes out there than there will be baby boomers to require them in a few years and selling our homes will be more difficult as we are limited to a market of seniors. i hope homeowners will think about this and show up at those commission meetings to voice our displeasure. there IS such a things as "too much of a good thing"!
I look at it this way. There is lots of property. If not the Villages, someone else would buy it and develop it.
I would rather the Villages develop it than someone who could care less about the Villages. At least we know what we are getting if the Villages does it & it will be beautiful !! :D
Ya gotta love what they do!!

[blueash]

Read the replaced article. It's all back to the previously announced 14,000 including Fenney. It's not an additional 20k. Someone got their math wrong.

This is not a replaced article, it is a new article about the public hearing. I don't know why the original article is not showing on the online news but you can still read it by clicking HERE (http://https://www.**************.com/villages-southern-oaks-wins-permission-many-20300-homes/#comments)

As to where did the 20,300 number come from for just the new area, not including Fenney.. it comes from the document from the Wildwood city records (http://http://wildwoodcityfl.iqm2.com/Citizens/FileOpen.aspx?Type=1&ID=1159&Inline=True) see page 34-36

"The Villages of Southern Oaks The Villages (referred to under this policy as “The Villages” or “the Project”)..

The Project is approximately 4,518 acres ...


The Villages of Southern Oaks must develop consistent with the following requirements: ...

d) The following Project entitlements are planned: Non-Residential 1,681,000 square feet
Residential 20,300 dwelling units [my bold]
Government/Office 288,000 square feet "

And this description absolutely seems to say that this 4518 acres is approved for 20,300 dwelling units. I don't think the Morse attorneys make a lot of typo errors.

[patfla06]

I look at it this way. There is lots of property. If not the Villages, someone else would buy it and develop it.
I would rather the Villages develop it than someone who could care less about the Villages. At least we know what we are getting if the Villages does it & it will be beautiful !! :D
Ya gotta love what they do!!

Agree totally!

[l2ridehd]

I think the biggest issue is there is no plan for any more championship golf courses. The plan is to allow all those homes access to the current infrastructure of golf courses. There will be executive courses but no more championship ones. That will overwhelm an already difficult tee time access during high season. Fenny may never have golf cart access, but I bet this new area will. 44 will have a tunnel someplace.

Golf is probably the biggest draw we have to maintain home values. To make the same ratio with all these new homes they would need a minimum of 3 new championship golf courses. Today we have 12 with 110,000 homes. That's about 9000 homes per course. So with over 20,000 more homes, 24500 if my math is working, that's 3 more 27 hole courses with none in the plan.

[golfing eagles]

I think the biggest issue is there is no plan for any more championship golf courses. The plan is to allow all those homes access to the current infrastructure of golf courses. There will be executive courses but no more championship ones. That will overwhelm an already difficult tee time access during high season. Fenny may never have golf cart access, but I bet this new area will. 44 will have a tunnel someplace.

Golf is probably the biggest draw we have to maintain home values. To make the same ratio with all these new homes they would need a minimum of 3 new championship golf courses. Today we have 12 with 110,000 homes. That's about 9000 homes per course. So with over 20,000 more homes, 24500 if my math is working, that's 3 more 27 hole courses with none in the plan.

Agree, but how do we know there aren't any more championship courses planned? 8000 acres is a pretty big chunk of land, and the average 18 hole course takes 150-200 acres.

BTW, there are currently 110,000+ RESIDENTS, but only about 55,000-60,000 HOMES

[JoMar]

Won't be too long and those above 466A will be the Historic Side and above 466 an archaelogy dig :)

[l2ridehd]

Agree, but how do we know there aren't any more championship courses planned? 8000 acres is a pretty big chunk of land, and the average 18 hole course takes 150-200 acres.

BTW, there are currently 110,000+ RESIDENTS, but only about 55,000-60,000 HOMES

Correct on the homes vs residents so even twice as bad as my projections which says they would need 5 or 6 new championship courses.

I actually asked two different sales agents and their head of commercial development if there were any plans to add championship courses. The agents said no and the commercial guy said he was not aware of any but didn't rule it out. So probably possible but if those folks are not aware, than there certainly wont be 5 or 6. Maybe 1. Perhaps they will buy Continental CC.

[Bonny]

Correct on the homes vs residents so even twice as bad as my projections which says they would need 5 or 6 new championship courses.

I actually asked two different sales agents and their head of commercial development if there were any plans to add championship courses. The agents said no and the commercial guy said he was not aware of any but didn't rule it out. So probably possible but if those folks are not aware, than there certainly wont be 5 or 6. Maybe 1. Perhaps they will buy Continental CC.
Even if they know, I'm sure they aren't allowed to say anything until the Family says they can.
I'm pretty sure the Villages will have our golf needs taken care of! ;)

[l2ridehd]

I hope your right Bonny. However when making the announcement about these new Villages it would have been good marketing (which they are well known for) to include that in the announcement. And we do know for sure there are no championship courses in Fenny as those plans are already complete.

[golfing eagles]

Correct on the homes vs residents so even twice as bad as my projections which says they would need 5 or 6 new championship courses.

I actually asked two different sales agents and their head of commercial development if there were any plans to add championship courses. The agents said no and the commercial guy said he was not aware of any but didn't rule it out. So probably possible but if those folks are not aware, than there certainly wont be 5 or 6. Maybe 1. Perhaps they will buy Continental CC.

Yes, but my math says 14,000 homes are about 25% of the existing 56,000 homes, so maybe 3 championship courses would suffice. I also find that the developers plans are not really shared with the sales agents. I'd put more weight on what the head of commercial development says, but it sounds like he tactfully evaded the question. Waterfront and golf course lots are always in demand, and they do command a high lot premium for smaller lots, so it is only in the developer's interest to make more of the lots available.

[skip0358]

You know there is a ton of guess work and second guessing at this point. Attend the Wildwood meetings and hear what's said. Wait for the final plans. I agree with Bonnie rather see them do it instead of someone else. Maybe they're not done buying, maybe there are plans for more Championship courses. Who knows, maybe this will encourage some of the big box stores to get together and open somewhere closer who knows. whatever is done or planned just sit back and watch. I'm sure it will be well planned out regardless.

[Madelaine Amee]

I look at it this way. There is lots of property. If not the Villages, someone else would buy it and develop it.
I would rather the Villages develop it than someone who could care less about the Villages. At least we know what we are getting if the Villages does it & it will be beautiful !! :D
Ya gotta love what they do!!

I also agree with Bonny on this. I really feel for the people who live in this area now, but imagine what it would be like if one of the fly by night builders came in, broke ground, ran out of money and took off. No, if the area is going to be built up, then at least have The Village family do it right.

Neither Fenney nor this new area have any interest for me and I will probably never even bother to go look. I am perfectly happy with where I live and I hope new people moving into TV will feel the same about their choice of location and home.:smiley:

[2BNTV]

Won't be too long and those above 466A will be the Historic Side and above 466 an archaelogy dig :)

:1rotfl:

I guess I will morph into a caveman. :smiley:

No relation to Zcaveman. :D

[2BNTV]

I look at it this way. There is lots of property. If not the Villages, someone else would buy it and develop it.
I would rather the Villages develop it than someone who could care less about the Villages. At least we know what we are getting if the Villages does it & it will be beautiful !! :D
Ya gotta love what they do!!

I would rather the Morse family develop this project as they sure aren't going broke anytime soon. :D

The designer homes in Fenney were absolutely beautiful!

I always say, "you gotta love it here"!

[John_W]

Why is it necessary that the new villages to the south be connected to the exisitng villages to the north? Maybe the Morse's have come to the conclusion that when the Lake County addition is complete, The Villages as we know it, is done.

The new areas will be the future, a self contained development with their own squares, fire stations, golf courses and govenment, they'll be totally separated from us. Can you imagine driving down the turnpike and looking to your left and right seeing all these new homes and golf courses and saying, I wonder what that place is. Then a billboard pops up, 'you are now entering 'The Villages, the World's Largest Retirement Community - Have a Safe Trip".

[njbchbum]

Won't be too long and those above 466A will be the Historic Side and above 466 an archaelogy dig :)

Wonder what you think the original development across 27/441 would be called.........................

[waterlily]

I remember seeing the VMail introducing Belle Glade and the host saying "the 12th and final Championship Course"

Vmail - Belle Glade Golf Course - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgUO-yppUUk)

[Bogie Shooter]

is anyone besides me concerned that when we bought our homes we were told that the build out would be complete in 3-4 years (that was eight years ago!) and then our property values would shoot up...Instead of that false advertising, we are now faced with the prospect of more homes out there than there will be baby boomers to require them in a few years and selling our homes will be more difficult as we are limited to a market of seniors. i hope homeowners will think about this and show up at those commission meetings to voice our displeasure. there IS such a things as "too much of a good thing"!
False advertising? I never saw that in print......maybe a salesperson yacking!

[Bogie Shooter]

This will probably get lost amongst all the speculation, but the Online News has backed off from their "20,000 more homes" and has replaced it with a new article stating that this whole thing is still 14,000 including Fenney. Just as previously announced weeks ago.

No mention of their incorrect math from before.

They hype everything..........

[Shimpy]

Won't be too long and those above 466A will be the Historic Side and above 466 an archaelogy dig :)

Above 466 would become the prehistoric district.