One of the indicted Navy officers

[spring_chicken]

is a villager.
There's a story on the unnamed news site and here is a link to the indictment Federal Indictment of 8 Former Navy Officers, Marine in Ongoing 'Fat Leonard' Probe (https://news.usni.org/2017/03/14/24598-fat-leonard-document)

This is some serious stuff that cost taxpayers tens of millions of dollars.

[blueash]

I understand the reluctance to name the accused, innocent until proven guilty, but these are very serious allegations.. bribes, classified info being passed, fraud, lying to investigators, destruction of evidence.

David Lausman aka "Too Tall" per the indictment.

If his name is familiar it is because he is also the president of the Villages Republican Club.

[trueorange]

Unfortunately, the retired Naval officer and his wife were set to host a neighborhood dinner party this coming Tuesday. They were to be the hosts for the dessert portion of a progressive dinner.

[spring_chicken]

I really don't understand why they aren't charged with treason. Handing over classified information on floppy disks?

[DonH57]

Unfortunately, the retired Naval officer and his wife were set to host a neighborhood dinner party this coming Tuesday. They were to be the hosts for the dessert portion of a progressive dinner.

Make sure a file is in the cake, :mmmm:

[graciegirl]

This is a very sad thing to hear. A very awful thing to hear if it is true.

We do have thousands of heroes that live here. Retired military who served us all, brave and ethical, and for whom my family is grateful.

[birdawg]

Think how the wife feels.

[Madelaine Amee]

This is beyond my comprehension. How someone of this rank, earning the income and benefits that he had, could stoop so low for monetary gain !!!!

It matters not to me which side of the aisle he came from, what matters is the absolute lack of decency and character in this man.

........... high-ranking Navy officers are charged with acting as a team of moles for a foreign defense contractor, trading military secrets and substantial influence for sex parties with prostitutes, extravagant dinners and luxury travel.............

Do you really think his wife did not know? Where did she think the money was coming from and all the expensive gifts? Of course she knew. I hope they throw the book at him. When the grunts read this what are they supposed to think, and how are they going to refuse when they are offered a bribe?

[Rapscallion St Croix]

So much for our Navy being cutting edge. I mean, floppy disks in 2007?

[chuckinca]

That is a ton of senior brass - very hard to believe so many were involved and nobody blew the whistle early on.

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[Chatbrat]

I'm retired navy thru, the reserve--hope he and the others are charged under the UCMJ, since their actions occurred while on active duty--besides prison time, hope they lose all pay & allowances & the right to be buried in a national cemetery

[wendyquat]

Hey, let's wait for the trial and verdict before we crucify! Just sayin!

[dbussone]

That is a ton of senior brass - very hard to believe so many were involved and nobody blew the whistle early on.



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Someone may well have. It's not unusual for the DoJ to take years to investigate and pursue a matter.


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[Chatbrat]

If you think this is bad read Gen McMaster's book "Dereliction of Duty"--the truth behind the Vietnam War--@ least no one died because of this corruption

[Bonnevie]

it's frightening to think how easily any of them could have been blackmailed....

[blueash]

Think how the wife feels.

According to the indictment, not only did she know, she was a major benefactor of the scheme getting expensive gifts, meals, hotel rooms, and vacations. She acknowledged the gifts thanking the person who was providing the bribes. Perhaps she didn't know it was illegal for a member of the Navy to accept such gifts, perhaps she did know, but she has not been indicted.

See page 66 of the indictment where the $11,346 Versace purse which the briber bought for Mrs. Lausman is discussed. She complained to the briber that it was defective and they replaced it for her.

[Chatbrat]

Wondering who was the real prostitute--selling yourself for a purse

[Bonnevie]

here's a good article on Fat Leonard....the guy who roped them all in

The man who seduced the 7th Fleet | The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2016/05/27/the-man-who-seduced-the-7th-fleet/?utm_term=.a45a55335adb)

[l2ridehd]

In this country we are innocent until proven guilty. Yes in reading this it looks bad and there probably is something to cause an indictment. However it still is innocent until after the trial. So please don't do what our national media does and try them in the press or in this case social media before they have had their day in court. There are to many examples of trials that fail to convict. If they are proven guilty I hope they never see the light of day again, but until they are convicted give them the benefit of doubt they should have. Lots of folks who were indicted were proven innocent later in court. Some were not proven guilty and let go even though they were probably not innocent. And many were proven guilty. We are not the judge or the jury in this case. Give them the opportunity to decide what really happened.

[Madelaine Amee]

In this country we are innocent until proven guilty. Yes in reading this it looks bad and there probably is something to cause an indictment. However it still is innocent until after the trial. So please don't do what our national media does and try them in the press or in this case social media before they have had their day in court. There are to many examples of trials that fail to convict. If they are proven guilty I hope they never see the light of day again, but until they are convicted give them the benefit of doubt they should have. Lots of folks who were indicted were proven innocent later in court. Some were not proven guilty and let go even though they were probably not innocent. And many were proven guilty. We are not the judge or the jury in this case. Give them the opportunity to decide what really happened.

The Navy Military Police, or other Military Police, do not suddenly arrive at your door and take you out of your house in handcuffs, without knowing exactly what they are doing. Especially at this high level of military personnel.

[rubicon]

I'm speechless...such a betrayal of trust

[ColdNoMore]

If proved true, it's almost too hard to even comprehend betraying your country...for a few expensive gifts, sex parties and lavish dinners. :ohdear:

[redwitch]

Here's another one who read the indictment. Lausman was never accused of attending any of the sex parties. Shame the online news had to phrase it in that manner. His alleged benefits were paid vacations, upgraded hotel rooms, dinners, gifts. Regardless, it is a royal, ugly mess. That it affects our community is unfortunate. The fact that it was a Republican in our community is absolutely irrelevant.

As to being innocent until proven guilty, I don't think there is much doubt that this scandal occurred. Too many specific facts and dates. If they get off, it will be on a technicality, not because they didn't do it.

[Chatbrat]

Again is this going to be handled via Court Martial or a Civilian Court for former members? Again, just looked up UCMJ Art 2, retirees can be recalled to active duty and tried by courts martial--unlike civilian courts, justice is often swift--you had better believe, prosecutors have taken their time to fabricate a bullet proof case, get ready to see a big change from Russell Loop to a trailer park if he's lucky or Portsmouth Naval Prison, if he's not lucky.

[l2ridehd]

Everyone on here has tried and convicted these people because they were indicted. I read it and agree there has to be something there. But a very basic principal of this country is innocent until proven guilty. Believe it, it's one of your rights for living here. Don't convict people on the internet before they have had there day in court. I am absolutely sure everyone of you would want that courtesy extended to them if you were in there shoes.

[Chatbrat]

I know the presumption of innocence is one of our tenants of law, just as Beau Burgdahl is afforded the same protection, when its snowing--its snowing--you don't need a court of law to tell you to get a shovel

IMHO--he will be found guilty, as others have, will do prison time and lose all benefits--others have ratted him out for more lenient sentences

[redwitch]

Everyone on here has tried and convicted these people because they were indicted. I read it and agree there has to be something there. But a very basic principal of this country is innocent until proven guilty. Believe it, it's one of your rights for living here. Don't convict people on the internet before they have had there day in court. I am absolutely sure everyone of you would want that courtesy extended to them if you were in there shoes.

I didn't presume their guilt because they were indicted but rather what was said in the indictment. This was not a "shotgun" indictment where prosecutors put down every charge possible and hope something sticks. These were very specific charges with names, dates, times, amounts and actions specifically listed for those charged. There is also the fact that the indictment does not accuse every defendant of the same acts or even the same charges. Not all of them are accused of sending classified information to GDMA (Lausman isn't, for example). Not all are accused of destroying documents (Lausman is). There's just too much smoke for there not to be a fire in this case. The only question is, to me, just what will be proven and what evidence will be allowed by the trying judge. Regardless of the final verdict, these men will be tainted as criminals at best and traitors at worst.

[Taltarzac725]

I didn't presume their guilt because they were indicted but rather what was said in the indictment. This was not a "shotgun" indictment where prosecutors put down every charge possible and hope something sticks. These were very specific charges with names, dates, times, amounts and actions specifically listed for those charged. There is also the fact that the indictment does not accuse every defendant of the same acts or even the same charges. Not all of them are accused of sending classified information to GDMA (Lausman isn't, for example). Not all are accused of destroying documents (Lausman is). There's just too much smoke for there not to be a fire in this case. The only question is, to me, just what will be proven and what evidence will be allowed by the trying judge. Regardless of the final verdict, these men will be tainted as criminals at best and traitors at worst.

Well said redwitch. I will have to read the indictment myself but will take your word for what you say is in it.

[Chatbrat]

Lets see how fast a house on Russell Loop is for sale ?

[Bonnevie]

forget waterboarding, apparently all it takes to get classified information is an upgrade at a 5 star hotel

[Chatbrat]

And they still have their sign infront of their house with names on it ,what Chutzpah

[graciegirl]

Here's another one who read the indictment. Lausman was never accused of attending any of the sex parties. Shame the online news had to phrase it in that manner. His alleged benefits were paid vacations, upgraded hotel rooms, dinners, gifts. Regardless, it is a royal, ugly mess. That it affects our community is unfortunate. The fact that it was a Republican in our community is absolutely irrelevant.

As to being innocent until proven guilty, I don't think there is much doubt that this scandal occurred. Too many specific facts and dates. If they get off, it will be on a technicality, not because they didn't do it.

RED, I so respect you. Sometimes your lack of bias makes me tense and sometimes I just love you for it. You are one of the few people I have ever met who is analytical in a fair way.

This is so awful. I am sure that no one who voted for him to be president of the Republican Club would ever have suspected that with his background anything like this could occur.

A disclaimer. I haven't ever belonged to any organization associated with a political party. They are usually too polarized for me. I am a wimpy Rino, I guess. I stand for moderation and common sense, at least that is what I like to believe.

I do have some stellar friends on both sides of the aisle. Or at least I did yesterday.

[spring_chicken]

And they still have their sign infront of their house with names on it ,what Chutzpah

He was taken into custody 2 days ago. I doubt taking the sign down was at the top of the list of things to worry about.

[ColdNoMore]

Lets see how fast a house on Russell Loop is for sale ?

Zillow has it valued at a tad over $1M, but they paid 5% less for it in 2014...than what it sold for when it was built in 2007.

So much for house prices here...always appreciating. :shrug:

[Bogie Shooter]

And they still have their sign infront of their house with names on it ,what Chutzpah

Is that important to you? You took the time to look up the house? Tsk Tsk....................

[rubicon]

This is so awful. I am sure that no one who voted for him to be president of the Republican Club would ever have suspected that with his background anything like this could occur.

A disclaimer. I haven't ever belonged to any organization associated with a political party. They are usually too polarized for me. I am a wimpy Rino, I guess. I stand for moderation and common sense, at least that is what I like to believe.


I had been a member of number of Republican Political Action Committees up until my retirement here. Such an announcement would bring great disbelief and disappointment to members of the local club.

Personal Best Regards:

[mic4me]

I read this thread out of curiosity and have no knowledge of the individual and any opinions about his guilt or innocence. That is for the judicial system to decide. I am disappointed as a new resident to TV that TOTV is such a gossip forum. If this was one of your family members or one of your family members was indicted for something such as drugs or grand theft would you want the community talking about it? Try to think of this individuals family and how they feel (and how you would feel). No doubt that folks have driven by the house, pulled it up on Zillow, etc. I enjoy this forum for the Q&A and help that I get from the residents, not the petty noise and gossip. IMHO

[Chatbrat]

An 0-6 pension, is close to 10K a month, he's too young for SS, thats not enough for a million $ house unless he squirreled away $$ from his nefarious deeds. corruption pays till you get caught

Be retired Navy, the reason I'm on the Capt's case--because I know how many young sailors lives were made miserable for minor infractions , loss pf pay and reduction in rank at the hands of officers who thought they walked on water

Thank God I was in the Submarine service--where the officers and enlisted were brothers--we all shared the same fate--they respected us & we respected them

I'm a retired CPO

[Villageswimmer]

I read this thread out of curiosity and have no knowledge of the individual and any opinions about his guilt or innocence. That is for the judicial system to decide. I am disappointed as a new resident to TV that TOTV is such a gossip forum. If this was one of your family members or one of your family members was indicted for something such as drugs or grand theft would you want the community talking about it? Try to think of this individuals family and how they feel (and how you would feel). No doubt that folks have driven by the house, pulled it up on Zillow, etc. I enjoy this forum for the Q&A and help that I get from the residents, not the petty noise and gossip. IMHO


This is NOT petty noise and gossip. This is criminal, possibly treasonous, activity. As Americans and taxpayers, we all have a right to be concerned and, yes, outraged by this alleged behavior. This is not something that should be glossed over.

[Putt4Dough]

Zillow has it valued at a tad over $1M, but they paid 5% less for it in 2014...than what it sold for when it was built in 2007.

So much for house prices here...always appreciating. :shrug:

The market peaked in 2006-2007 so a luxury home like this selling for 95% of original purchase price is actually quite good. Applying this one-off example to all homes in The Villages is ridiculous, a good percentage of the homes here have appreciated nicely.

[Putt4Dough]

An 0-6 pension, is close to 10K a month, he's too young for SS, thats not enough for a million $ house unless he squirreled away $$ from his nefarious deeds. corruption pays till you get caught

Be retired Navy, the reason I'm on the Capt's case--because I know how many young sailors lives were made miserable for minor infractions , loss pf pay and reduction in rank at the hands of officers who thought they walked on water

Thank God I was in the Submarine service--where the officers and enlisted were brothers--we all shared the same fate--they respected us & we respected them

I'm a retired CPO

And you know everything about this family because you drove by and saw their name plate? Maybe his wife came from a wealthy family? Not defending him but you make assumptions without all facts at your disposal.

[600th Photo Sq]

Look those who have retired can be and will be recalled to Active Duty. There will be a Court Martial (s) under the UCMJ..everyone. That is where justice will be handed out. All can have a Military Lawyer (SJA) or hire a civilian lawyer..more than likely the latter..$$$$$++. All will then be faced with punishment under the UCMJ...not good for them.

You can bet that the prosecutors have at least two of the " Alleged " accused ready to testify for the the prosecution and have cut a deal for whatever. This is too big of a deal to get off with a reprimand,slap on the wrist etc. The fact that high ranking officers are involved means nothing in this case. Some will get jail time..Leavenworth comes to mind, others like the people who have cut a deal...may get off with a Fine and Bad Conduct Discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances..but that is a slight maybe. The people who cut a deal must have given the Feds a ton of information for them to act.

As for the Dependents (Wives) they are chump change in this and will be ignored and left to clean up afterwards. All the wining,dining,travel, rubbing elbows and mixing with all the Big Shots will all be a distant memory...and think was it all worth it. That said they had to be aware of the shenanigans going on but hey living like a Millionaire is pretty nice. In this case RHIP is very true.

Bottom line they more than likely as time went on thought they could not or would never be caught. My take somebody(s) spilled the beans made a phone call or two and that prompted an investigation.

It was only a matter of time ....Greed....and..... They got Sloppy...or who knows. The truth will come out without a doubt on what brought their downfall.

[redwitch]

An 0-6 pension, is close to 10K a month, he's too young for SS, thats not enough for a million $ house unless he squirreled away $$ from his nefarious deeds. corruption pays till you get caught

Be retired Navy, the reason I'm on the Capt's case--because I know how many young sailors lives were made miserable for minor infractions , loss pf pay and reduction in rank at the hands of officers who thought they walked on water

Thank God I was in the Submarine service--where the officers and enlisted were brothers--we all shared the same fate--they respected us & we respected them

I'm a retired CPO

WOW! Yes, I believe he is guilty of the charges brought against him, but you have so escalated those charges to a whole other level with not a single fact to go on. His was not a million dollar home when purchased. We have no idea what his financial circumstances were prior to the military (nor his wife's). We don't know how frugal they were before retirement nor how wisely their money was invested.

Sadly, there is corruption in the military. Motor pool sergeants take home tools. Supply NCOs and officers sell military equipment to civilians. Private contractors solicit the appropriate parties to ensure contracts come their way. NO branch is squeaky clean. NO branch has ever been squeaky clean. Even Washington complained of quartermasters selling blankets. I wouldn't be surprised if Urk of the Neanderthal Homak tribe sold a club or two to Ju-Ju of the Cro Magnon Urgah tribe when they battled each other. The submarine service ain't perfect, either.

Get over yourself.

[ColdNoMore]

This is NOT petty noise and gossip. This is criminal, possibly treasonous, activity. As Americans and taxpayers, we all have a right to be concerned and, yes, outraged by this alleged behavior. This is not something that should be glossed over.

And the best part of this site is that it's free and we all get to choose which threads we want to read or not read.

[ColdNoMore]

The market peaked in 2006-2007 so a luxury home like this selling for 95% of original purchase price is actually quite good. Applying this one-off example to all homes in The Villages is ridiculous, a good percentage of the homes here have appreciated nicely.

Please point out where I said it applies to all homes here. :oops:

I have however, read plenty of comments where some folks were reluctant to admit that any homes here have depreciated...and that's simply not true. :ho:

[Putt4Dough]

Please point out where I said it applies to all homes here. :oops:

I have however, read plenty of comments where some folks were reluctant to admit that any homes here have depreciated...and that's simply not true. :ho:

Here's your quote, maybe you should quote someone saying all home prices here are always appreciating. You are the one that made the declaration. ,


So much for house prices here...always appreciating.

[ColdNoMore]

So much for house prices here...always appreciating.

Meaning that sometimes...they don't appreciate. :oops:

Never mind...it's not worth it. :wave:

[Chatbrat]

Looks like a lot of people here wish they belonged to the WH press corps--looking to dot every I & cross every T, its the big picture that counts, to hell with minutia-- the guy will be proven to be a corrupt officer, & his life in the villages will be history--case closed-- these charges are not plucked from thin air

[Putt4Dough]

Meaning that sometimes...they don't appreciate. :oops:

Never mind...it's not worth it. :wave:

well duh...of course they don't

[Bogie Shooter]

WOW! Yes, I believe he is guilty of the charges brought against him, but you have so escalated those charges to a whole other level with not a single fact to go on. His was not a million dollar home when purchased. We have no idea what his financial circumstances were prior to the military (nor his wife's). We don't know how frugal they were before retirement nor how wisely their money was invested.

Sadly, there is corruption in the military. Motor pool sergeants take home tools. Supply NCOs and officers sell military equipment to civilians. Private contractors solicit the appropriate parties to ensure contracts come their way. NO branch is squeaky clean. NO branch has ever been squeaky clean. Even Washington complained of quartermasters selling blankets. I wouldn't be surprised if Urk of the Neanderthal Homak tribe sold a club or two to Ju-Ju of the Cro Magnon Urgah tribe when they battled each other. The submarine service ain't perfect, either.

Get over yourself.

You nailed it red!

[Chatbrat]

Wrong, it has to be perfect, the Tresher legacy taught us zero defects in materials & crews--its all volunteer, unlike the rest of the navy--when you flunked out of subs , you were s--t --canned to the fleet..

[Chatbrat]

She wanted an upgrade on an $11k Versace purse--thats rather steep , even if you're an 0-6--oh , he got it ,at a flea mkt--

[redwitch]

You are pretty presumptious---seems like you are ready to keel haul this man AND his wife---haven't you heard of innocent until proven guilty? And HOW do YOU KNOW his wife knew where the money was coming from? Were you listening in on thru their microwave oven?:MOJE_whot:

Don't think anyone here was listening through a smart device. However, it appears that someone was getting info somehow given that the indictment specifically mentions Mrs. Lausman contacting GDMA people directly when her Versace handbag was defective and directly thanking GDMA for gifts and trips. Not too innocent, it seems.

And let's remember that several defendants, including Fat Leonard, have already pled guilty and many are already serving sentences (Leonard to be sentenced 4/3).

[chuckinca]

Think it's time to visit the Legion Post for the latest scuttlebutt.

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[dbussone]

If proved true, it's almost too hard to even comprehend betraying your country...for a few expensive gifts, sex parties and lavish dinners. :ohdear:



Don't forget the cigars. At that price I'm sure they were spectacular - but not worth selling out your country.


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[dbussone]

An 0-6 pension, is close to 10K a month, he's too young for SS, thats not enough for a million $ house unless he squirreled away $$ from his nefarious deeds. corruption pays till you get caught

Be retired Navy, the reason I'm on the Capt's case--because I know how many young sailors lives were made miserable for minor infractions , loss pf pay and reduction in rank at the hands of officers who thought they walked on water

Thank God I was in the Submarine service--where the officers and enlisted were brothers--we all shared the same fate--they respected us & we respected them

I'm a retired CPO



Thank you for your service!


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[maryanna630]

Thank you for your service, chatbrat...and for your willingness to speak your truth.

[fourandrew]

Captain Queeg: Ahh, but the strawberries that's... that's where I had them. They laughed at me and made jokes but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt and with... geometric logic... that a duplicate key to the wardroom icebox DID exist, and I'd have produced that key if they hadn't of pulled the Caine out of action. I, I, I know now they were only trying to protect some fellow officers...

[l2ridehd]

Don't think anyone here was listening through a smart device. However, it appears that someone was getting info somehow given that the indictment specifically mentions Mrs. Lausman contacting GDMA people directly when her Versace handbag was defective and directly thanking GDMA for gifts and trips. Not too innocent, it seems.

And let's remember that several defendants, including Fat Leonard, have already pled guilty and many are already serving sentences (Leonard to be sentenced 4/3).

Although you are probably correct, It's alleged that she did this and did that. Not proven yet. She and he are innocent until proven guilty. And yes several defendants including Fat Leonard will be sentenced and have pointed many fingers at others to get reduced time in prison. Do you believe them? Is it possible they lied? Highly likely.

In order to live in a free society you have to be willing to accept the principal belief that people are innocent until proven guilty. So far all these are still alleged crimes.

If guilty I hope they hang them all, but lets prove it before we get the rope.

[David73]

I too am retired from the Navy nearly 39 years ago. I am so ashamed and embarrassed by this. I realize not everyone in the military are honest because they are also a cross section of society. That being said, here is my hope: I hope that all are recalled to active duty to face General Courts Martial (GCM). Punishments by GCM can be severe up to and including execution. This I would opine that is not a CAPITAL offense so that is probably not an option for the court. However, sentence, if convicted, may include DISHONORABLE DISCHARGE, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and prison. IF convicted, I hope they all receive the maximum allowed under the UCMJ.

[Biker Dog]

I too am retired from the Navy nearly 39 years ago. I am so ashamed and embarrassed by this. I realize not everyone in the military are honest because they are also a cross section of society. That being said, here is my hope: I hope that all are recalled to active duty to face General Courts Martial (GCM). Punishments by GCM can be severe up to and including execution. This I would opine that is not a CAPITAL offense so that is probably not an option for the court. However, sentence, if convicted, may include DISHONORABLE DISCHARGE, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and prison. IF convicted, I hope they all receive the maximum allowed under the UCMJ.

I, as a AF Vet, totally agree!!!!!!!!!!!!:BigApplause:

[Chatbrat]

And forfeiture of all monies received during retirement----

[graciegirl]

I want to remind everyone who is reading this who has ever served in the military how much respect we all have for you, how much we honor you and how much we owe you. This terrible thing in no way reflects on any of you or diminishes any of you.


If I could salute you properly I would, but I do know how to hug and so I am sending hugs to you and your families.

[perrjojo]

Many accuse the Morse Family of greed while they are building communities for us to live in, stimulating the economy by buying supplies, creating jobs, ETC. That is not greed. This man, THIS IS GREED.

[Chatbrat]

I never served in the surface navy,BUT, from what I heard from enlisted who served aboard 'FLAG SHIPS" duty for the enlisted was pure hell, constant personnel inspections, spit & polish very day and Captain's masts were plentiful--the 0-6 who was indicted commanded a "Flag Ship"

[Bonnevie]

Don't think anyone here was listening through a smart device. However, it appears that someone was getting info somehow given that the indictment specifically mentions Mrs. Lausman contacting GDMA people directly when her Versace handbag was defective and directly thanking GDMA for gifts and trips. Not too innocent, it seems.

And let's remember that several defendants, including Fat Leonard, have already pled guilty and many are already serving sentences (Leonard to be sentenced 4/3).

my guess is that Fat Leonard made a deal. Where else would the indictment have such precise figures and emails? The defendants destroyed their side of things. The timing of Leonard's sentencing suggests he's the one supplying the information.

[NYGUY]

We just got back from a trip, so this is the first time I have read about this. This is concerning at any level, no matter who was involved.

[Bonnevie]

aside from the betrayal, they willingly let the government be overcharged for services.....contributing to more waste in the budget.

[BobnBev]

I, as a AF Vet, totally agree!!!!!!!!!!!!:BigApplause:
Me too!!!!!

[Villager Dude]

I served in the military and this is a sad situation.
I do believe this can be considered Treason if classified materiel was given to foreign nationals. I respect the fact the indicted are innocent till proven guilty but if this is proven true it stinks.

[600th Photo Sq]

One issue that has not been addressed is the Family, Friends and Neighbors that have been duped by this man for years and in all probability his wife knew what was going on

Here you have a retired Navy Captain with a distinguished career squeak clean etc.etc. and then all of sudden, he gets arrested and the allegations come out on what he is being accused of. Just think for a minute what your Family,Friends and Neighbors are thinking that for Years they have been led to believe that the Lausman's are the kind, honest, decent respectable that people would look up to, and would be happy to know and socialize with.

Only to find out...that they are the " Allegedly " the Exact Opposite. Imagine yourselves in that situation. None of these people would have knowingly invited them into their homes or associated with them had they known...that is the Key...Had they only Known.

To be a...Thief and a Liar, is Bad enough, But Selling your Country Secrets... is Unforgivable ... the Individual must be held accountable, and all who were involved.

Anyone who is a Thief and Liar has a very serious character flaw and then Double Cross your Country...

[spring_chicken]

One issue that has not been addressed is the Family, Friends and Neighbors that have been duped by this man for years and in all probability his wife knew what was going on

Here you have a retired Navy Captain with a distinguished career squeak clean etc.etc. and then all of sudden, he gets arrested and the allegations come out on what he is being accused of. Just think for a minute what your Family,Friends and Neighbors are thinking that for Years they have been led to believe that the Lausman's are the kind, honest, decent respectable that people would look up to, and would be happy to know and socialize with.

Only to find out...that they are the " Allegedly " the Exact Opposite. Imagine yourselves in that situation. None of these people would have knowingly invited them into their homes or associated with them had they known...that is the Key...Had they only Known.

To be a...Thief and a Liar, is Bad enough, But Selling your Country Secrets... is Unforgivable ... the Individual must be held accountable, and all who were involved.

Anyone who is a Thief and Liar hs aa very serious character flaw and then Double Cross your Country...

I've been around some of their friends who are still defending them. They obviously haven't read the indictment.

[graciegirl]

I've been around some of their friends who are still defending them. They obviously haven't read the indictment.

You know him?

[spring_chicken]

You know him?

I know them both. And I'm not defending either.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

According to a survey (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/rampage/wp/2015/10/28/whats-the-scariest-thing-in-america-government-corruption/?utm_term=.c3239be03095), more Americans are worried about government corruption than they are of terrorist attacks..

[trueorange]

Captain Lausman had to have known the indictment was coming. He was interviewed by investigators and I'm sure he was following the Fat Leonard case. Imagine having that hanging over your head. Both Lausmans were very active in neighborhood social and athletic events. It's amazing they were able to keep appearances up.

[renrod]

is a villager.
There's a story on the unnamed news site and here is a link to the indictment Federal Indictment of 8 Former Navy Officers, Marine in Ongoing 'Fat Leonard' Probe (https://news.usni.org/2017/03/14/24598-fat-leonard-document)

This is some serious stuff that cost taxpayers tens of millions of dollars.

Check the Sumter County Property Appraiser Website
It is the house on Riley Grove hole 9. Big Oak tree on right side of fairway. Also lists him as "Disabled Ex-Service Member", for a $5000 reduction in property taxes. All public records. Way beyond embarrassing. Probably will end up in Military Court under the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice). Laws are different in the Military.

[twoplanekid]

More information how the Navy may act -> Navy officers convicted of corruption in 'Fat Leonard' scandal haven't lost their pensions - U.S. - Stripes (http://www.stripes.com/news/us/navy-officers-convicted-of-corruption-in-fat-leonard-scandal-haven-t-lost-their-pensions-1.459414#.WM8iJ2Y2xaR)

[Biker Dog]

More information how the Navy may act -> Navy officers convicted of corruption in 'Fat Leonard' scandal haven't lost their pensions - U.S. - Stripes (http://www.stripes.com/news/us/navy-officers-convicted-of-corruption-in-fat-leonard-scandal-haven-t-lost-their-pensions-1.459414#.WM8iJ2Y2xaR)

Thank you. I read the article and I believe they should loose all military benefits and serve time in jail. :rant-rave::swear:

[Two Bills]

If the USN is reluctant to withdraw pension benefits as it hits extended family members, yet has the option to reduce the rank of those convicted, maybe they should reduce all convicted to Able Seaman.

[Chatbrat]

No such thing in the navy as able seaman, seaman recruit, seaman apprentice and seaman-- seaman would do the job

[rustyp]

6000+ views. Human nature is simply attracted to train wrecks.

[CWGUY]

No such thing in the navy as able seaman, seaman recruit, seaman apprentice and seaman-- seaman would do the job

:confused:

Navy Seaman Recruit - Military Ranks (https://www.military-ranks.org/navy/seaman-recruit)

Navy Seaman Apprentice - Military Ranks (https://www.military-ranks.org/navy/seaman-apprentice)

[ColdNoMore]

6000+ views. Human nature is simply attracted to train wrecks.

It's not every day that potential treason took place by someone who was in the military...much less that they're living in your own neighborhood. :shrug:

[redwitch]

This question really has nothing to do with Lausman in particular, but could someone please explain how the Navy cannot court martial these officers? To let these men keep full pensions, full rights and honorable discharges just doesn't compute to me. This betrayal is far worse to me than anything any of the Fat Leonard crew did. The idea that they can be buried in a military cemetery with full honors just seems so very, very wrong. And the excuse that innocent dependents shouldn't suffer just doesn't fly.

[chuckinca]

From the Stars & Stripes 3/17/17 article:

"Twenty-seven people have been charged with crimes since the investigation became public in 2013, including eight Navy officers indicted this month. Authorities say the case is still unfolding and that more than 200 people - including 30 admirals - have come under scrutiny."

30 admirals !

.

[rustyp]

From the Stars & Stripes 3/17/17 article:

"Twenty-seven people have been charged with crimes since the investigation became public in 2013, including eight Navy officers indicted this month. Authorities say the case is still unfolding and that more than 200 people - including 30 admirals - have come under scrutiny."

30 admirals !

.

I don't care if it is 300 admirals - if our neighbor is guilty and I said IF he is a POS.

[Nucky]

He served his country. The least we can do is give them all the chance to defend themselves. I feel extra sorry for the families who are collateral damage in this case. The people who have been in the service who share on this subject on TOTV see to want to burn this guy now, that surprises me. Let due process take its course. What a damn shame.

[Sandtrap328]

The evidence is mighty clear. They will get the best lawyers their money can buy but hopefully it will be in a military court where the jury will be senior officers (not on the take) and justice will prevail.

No, the families knew of the schemes so do not feel sorry for them.

[600th Photo Sq]

OK....News Flash... For a complete up-date on this subject all you need to do is Google .... Fat Leonard .... that will lead you to a whole bunch of news on most of those involved. This will hopefully give those who are defending the friend and neighbor a complete incite on what charges he is faced with.

No rumors, no finger pointing, all facts.

Some of those involved have already faced the music and know their fate. This as you will find out has been going on for a very,very long time.

What I find troubling is the Sailor who is serving time ( Enlisted ) in Leavenworth for taking photo's on a Submarine that were not uploaded, or given to anyone...and he is doing time right now..That said I don't know the full story on that.

Come to your own conclusions on the Fat Leonard Scandal... a lot of Officers and Some Enlisted are involved and the investigation is ongoing.

Google is an excellent source for information.

[spring_chicken]

Well, team Treason is back in TV playing neighborhood ball. Strutting around the ball park like they own the place. Couldn't tell if he had an ankle bracelet.

[ColdNoMore]

Well, team Treason is back in TV playing neighborhood ball. Strutting around the ball park like they own the place. Couldn't tell if he had an ankle bracelet.

If you can commit treason to your country, you're capable of any despicable behavior...and are incapable of feeling shame :ohdear:

[trueorange]

I thought I saw him taking a walk in the neighborhood last week, but thought I was hallucinating.

[l2ridehd]

OK....News Flash... For a complete up-date on this subject all you need to do is Google .... Fat Leonard .... that will lead you to a whole bunch of news on most of those involved. This will hopefully give those who are defending the friend and neighbor a complete incite on what charges he is faced with.

No rumors, no finger pointing, all facts.

Come to your own conclusions on the Fat Leonard Scandal... a lot of Officers and Some Enlisted are involved and the investigation is ongoing.

Google is an excellent source for information.

Once more, I agree there is lots here. But please don't believe even half of what you find on the internet. Google brings up everything. Just google your own name and you will find false information about yourself. Today you can't believe anything you see in the news and much less of what's on the internet. None of what you "googled" is facts. Facts will come out at there trial. And 12 of their peers or a JAG council will find them innocent or guilty. And until that happens they are not guilty yet.

[redwitch]

If you can commit treason to your country, you're capable of any despicable behavior...and are incapable of feeling shame :ohdear:

I really don't think Lausman's actions, as stated on the indictment, come to the level of treason. He is not accused of sending confidential, secret or any other documents to FL. He did work hard to get ships sent to the "right" docks. He did write glowing reviews and recommendations about the company. He did accept gifts for himself and his wife. He didn't go to the sex parties. Greedy, yes. Treasonous, no.

As to being back home and walking around his neighborhood. Why not? He hasn't been convicted yet. Until the trial or guilty plea, he is a free man and has to be somewhere. His home is here, so here he is.

I still feel he is guilty but I'm not his judge nor his executioner. I'll leave that to the court. My anger goes to the U.S. Navy who is not court martialing these officers and leaving them full military rights and honors. None of them deserve the right to be buried in a military cemetery. I would not want my father or brother next to one of these slime balls.

[Chatbrat]

Remember once get the rank of flag officer, you belong to a very special "old Boys" club and you KNOW it--during opsail & International Navy Review in 1976, I was person escort to retired CNO Admiral Arleigh Burke--it was an eye opener--especially the briefing s concerning foreign naval brass--"personification of incompetence" --"thanks God for nepotism"

[N44125]

Anyone know the trial date?

[patfla06]

I still don't think, given the circumstances, I would be strutting around the neighborhood playing sports.
Just saying......

[spring_chicken]

I still don't think given the circumstances I would be struttting around the neighborhood playing sports.
Just saying......

That was my thought. There are many loyal veterans in TV who would probably like to take a swing at him.

[chuckinca]

during opsail & International Navy Review in 1976, I was person escort to retired CNO Admiral Raleigh Burke--it was an eye opener--especially the briefing s concerning foreign naval brass--"personification of incompetence" --"thanks God for nepotism"


Arleigh Burke

aka "31 knot Burke"

[600th Photo Sq]

Once more, I agree there is lots here. But please don't believe even half of what you find on the internet. Google brings up everything. Just google your own name and you will find false information about yourself. Today you can't believe anything you see in the news and much less of what's on the internet. None of what you "googled" is facts. Facts will come out at there trial. And 12 of their peers or a JAG council will find them innocent or guilty. And until that happens they are not guilty yet.

I stand by post. I did re-visit Fat Leonard at various sites other than " Google " and found that the reporting is very similar on this case.

Various newspapers Washington Post, N Y Times, Navy Times , AF Times, Stars and Stripes, plus CNN, ABC, and on.

I don't know if you have a motive trying to sway people not to believe reports on google are not factual.

My post was merely to let people know that their are multiple reports from various outlet's on " Google ", regarding this particular case.

And now I will add to that , there are other internet sites that are reporting this case.

Once again, read the reports and come to your own conclusion.

You are right though Google a person's name and wow surprise, surprise..in some cases an eye opener. :plane: