truer words were never spoken

[dave harris]

"Multiple bankruptcies, never held political office, five children by three different women, bragging about sexual infidelities and sexual assault? If Trump had kept the "D" behind his name, he would have been excoriated by Republicans. It has long been a frustration of mine to see the intense party loyalty that causes people to become blind to their own double standard, and it's on both sides. Republicans who hated President Obama's use of a "pen and a phone" are now amazingly silent on the many executive orders being issued by President Trump."

Holly Richardson: LDS repent for not voting Trump? That's not what the apostles say | The Salt Lake Tribune (http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/5071541-155/holly-richardson-lds-repent-for-not)

[Taltarzac725]

"Multiple bankruptcies, never held political office, five children by three different women, bragging about sexual infidelities and sexual assault? If Trump had kept the "D" behind his name, he would have been excoriated by Republicans. It has long been a frustration of mine to see the intense party loyalty that causes people to become blind to their own double standard, and it's on both sides. Republicans who hated President Obama's use of a "pen and a phone" are now amazingly silent on the many executive orders being issued by President Trump."

Holly Richardson: LDS repent for not voting Trump? That's not what the apostles say | The Salt Lake Tribune (http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/5071541-155/holly-richardson-lds-repent-for-not)

Well said. He is for extremely large government; corporate bail-outs; the military-industrialist complex; and mainly making his, his crones, and his family's bank accounts very much larger.

[cologal]

Well said. He is for extremely large government; corporate bail-outs; the military-industrialist complex; and mainly making his, his crones, and his family's bank accounts very much larger.

Well said!!!

[Reiver]

five children by three different women, bragging about sexual infidelities and sexual assault?

Democrats proved long ago that they simply do not care about these attitudes, and in fact admire them.

President Cleveland’s Problem Child
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History | Smithsonian (http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/president-clevelands-problem-child-100800/)

[rubicon]

Truer words were never spoken...indeed

( as stated in another thread) ...Here it is again another Trump thread and the usual suspect OP, is a progressive obsessing over Trump, Trump is in the heads of progressives. He has become an obsession in the progressive community .

They are all in a trance because he beat Hillary. Its like the Lou Costello Niagara Falls skit. "Niagara Falls: and slowly I turned and step by step. "Trump" and slowly I turned and step by step:D

Zip-pa-de-doo-da zip-pa-day my oh my what a wonderful day...........................

Personal Best Regards:

[graciegirl]

Donald Trump is the cause of many of my headaches. He is not predictable in the least and shoots himself in the foot daily. I wish he was more like the smooth talking diplomatic rascals I am used to. And then I remember that is why I voted for him. Both parties had become too polarized and subject to too many interest groups.

I agree with most of his policies.

AND...Nobody. NOBODY owns him.

His fifties attitude of "It's how a woman looks and how much a man owns and controls" is still shared by a LOT of people. A LOT of people. It doesn't bother me as much as it does a lot of younger and insecure people. Men are going to talk a certain way to each other and women are going to be catty as long as we have genders. He appears to be a good learner and seems surprised by how smart some women are.

I think Donald Trump may need hearing aids and could possibly have Dyslexia, since he doesn't seem comfortable with notes or a teleprompter. Maybe he just isn't smooth, period. He is one of the worst public speakers I have ever heard.

I think he loves this country, because who would subject themselves to this barrage of hatred when they could just live out their life with all of the creature comforts money can buy, AND surrounded by WONDERFUL kids??His immense wealth has already established power if power is what he needed.

[Don Baldwin]

Donald Trump is the cause of many of my headaches. He is not predictable in the least and shoots himself in the foot daily. I wish he was more like the smooth talking diplomatic rascals I am used to. And then I remember that is why I voted for him. Both parties had become too polarized and subject to too many interest groups.

I agree with most of his policies.

AND...Nobody. NOBODY owns him.

His fifties attitude of "It's how a woman looks and how much a man owns and controls" is still shared by a LOT of people. A LOT of people. It doesn't bother me as much as it does a lot of younger and insecure people. Men are going to talk a certain way to each other and women are going to be catty as long as we have genders. He appears to be a good learner and seems surprised by how smart some women are.

I think Donald Trump may need hearing aids and could possibly have Dyslexia, since he doesn't seem comfortable with notes or a teleprompter. Maybe he just isn't smooth, period. He is one of the worst public speakers I have ever heard.

I think he loves this country, because who would subject themselves to this barrage of hatred when they could just live out their life with all of the creature comforts money can buy, AND surrounded by WONDERFUL kids??His immense wealth has already established power if power is what he needed.

His legacy...he wants to go down in history, be immortalized. It also gives him access to royalty.

Narcissistic psychopaths...that's what they are...him, Obama, Hillary...

[dave harris]

Truer words were never spoken...indeed

( as stated in another thread) ...Here it is again another Trump thread and the usual suspect OP, is a progressive obsessing over Trump, Trump is in the heads of progressives. He has become an obsession in the progressive community .

They are all in a trance because he beat Hillary. Its like the Lou Costello Niagara Falls skit. "Niagara Falls: and slowly I turned and step by step. "Trump" and slowly I turned and step by step:D

Zip-pa-de-doo-da zip-pa-day my oh my what a wonderful day...........................

Personal Best Regards:

We are obsessed because he is destroying our country, something you with blinders on can't see, or because your a trumpster do not care. When you are affected in the pocket book you will be the first to bitch, and it is coming.

[dave harris]

Donald Trump is the cause of many of my headaches. He is not predictable in the least and shoots himself in the foot daily. I wish he was more like the smooth talking diplomatic rascals I am used to. And then I remember that is why I voted for him. Both parties had become too polarized and subject to too many interest groups.

I agree with most of his policies.

AND...Nobody. NOBODY owns him.

His fifties attitude of "It's how a woman looks and how much a man owns and controls" is still shared by a LOT of people. A LOT of people. It doesn't bother me as much as it does a lot of younger and insecure people. Men are going to talk a certain way to each other and women are going to be catty as long as we have genders. He appears to be a good learner and seems surprised by how smart some women are.

I think Donald Trump may need hearing aids and could possibly have Dyslexia, since he doesn't seem comfortable with notes or a teleprompter. Maybe he just isn't smooth, period. He is one of the worst public speakers I have ever heard.

I think he loves this country, because who would subject themselves to this barrage of hatred when they could just live out their life with all of the creature comforts money can buy, AND surrounded by WONDERFUL kids??His immense wealth has already established power if power is what he needed.

"NO BODY OWNS HIM" Comrade trump is owned by you know who.

[Don Baldwin]

We are obsessed because he is destroying our country, something you with blinders on can't see, or because your a trumpster do not care. When you are affected in the pocket book you will be the first to bitch, and it is coming.

A rising minority population...a minority majority IS what IS destroying this country. Whites are now 49% of the population and falling fast. There will be NO America in 30 years if we allow it to continue. There will be Spanish, no press 2 for English. They're not as kind and foolish as we are when it comes to keeping your own culture. You're giving away your heritage, your country, your freedom, and your lifestyle.

"NO BODY OWNS HIM" Comrade trump is owned by you know who.

Rothschild's? Rockefeller's? The rest of the REAL power behind the throne?

[graciegirl]

"NO BODY OWNS HIM" Comrade trump is owned by you know who.

Russia is not making me lose sleep. Syria, Iran, Iraq, Afganistan, Turkey, Palestine, anywhere there are radical Muslims trouble me mightily. AND we have a whole contingent who aren't religious but don't want us to be mean to anyone because of religion who obviously do not see the problems with slums and crime and awful treatment of women in Europe by radical Muslims. Or maybe not so radical Muslims.

Russia is broken into pieces and no longer Communist. Putin is slimy but there are worse things in this world than Russia in my opinion. That little ******* with the fat face and stupid hairdo who is practicing with his arsenal over where we fought the war once in Korea is scary as hell.

[Rockyrd]

Russia is not making me lose sleep. Syria, Iran, Iraq, Afganistan, Turkey, Palestine, anywhere there are radical Muslims trouble me mightily. AND we have a whole contingent who aren't religious but don't want us to be mean to anyone because of religion who obviously do not see the problems with slums and crime and awful treatment of women in Europe by radical Muslims. Or maybe not so radical Muslims.

Russia is broken into pieces and no longer Communist. Putin is slimy but there are worse things in this world than Russia in my opinion. That little ******* with the fat face and stupid hairdo who is practicing with his arsenal over where we fought the war once in Korea is scary as hell.

Every single country that you mentioned has a significant and strong Russian presence.

I will also ask what leader is worse than Putin..kills opponents, media, attempts to influence, NOT JUST US but elections throughout the world

Before you take me to task on Palestine, be aware..

"Russia reinserted itself into the Israeli-Palestinian "peace" process in a major way this week with a highly publicized visit by President Vladimir Putin.

While meeting with Palestinian Authority leader Mahmoud Abbas on Tuesday, Putin said that Russia had no problem recognizing an independnet Palestinian state, noting that Moscow had already done so during the days of the Soviet Union.

Putin: Russia already recognizes 'Palestine' and won't tolerate Israeli Schemes to annex West Bank land - AWD News (http://awdnews.com/political/putin-russia-already-recognizes-palestine-and-won-t-tolerate-israeli-schemes-to-annex-west-bank-land)

[ColdNoMore]

Russia is not making me lose sleep. Syria, Iran, Iraq, Afganistan, Turkey, Palestine, anywhere there are radical Muslims trouble me mightily. AND we have a whole contingent who aren't religious but don't want us to be mean to anyone because of religion who obviously do not see the problems with slums and crime and awful treatment of women in Europe by radical Muslims. Or maybe not so radical Muslims.


Why are you so worried and losing sleep about being harmed by Muslim extremists (or it sounds like, Muslims in general), when you're hundreds of times more likely to die...from morbid obesity or a drunk driver? :oops:

Doesn't common sense dictate that you should be worried about those things that have the best odds...of killing you and others?

Never mind, I know the answer and it's called...bigotry. :ho:


Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

[graciegirl]

Why are you so worried and losing sleep about being harmed by Muslim extremists (or it sounds like, Muslims in general), when you're hundreds of times more likely to die...from morbid obesity or a drunk driver? :oops:

Doesn't common sense dictate that you should be worried about those things that have the best odds...of killing you and others?

Never mind, I know the answer and it's called...bigotry. :ho:


Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

I think I would rather be thought a bigot, than a short sighted, inappropriately tenderhearted dumbass.

[ColdNoMore]

I think I would rather be thought a bigot, than a short sighted, inappropriately tenderhearted dumbass.

You avoided the question(s).

So I'll ask again...

Why are you so worried and losing sleep about being harmed by Muslim extremists (or it sounds like, Muslims in general), when you're hundreds of times more likely to die...from morbid obesity or a drunk driver? :oops:

Doesn't common sense dictate that you should be worried about those things that have the best odds...of killing you and others?

Will be waiting for your answer. :popcorn:




Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

[Reiver]

Point one: 100 years ago people rarely died from morbid obesity. Things change. Let me ask you something... Are Christians in the middle east dying to morbid obesity or muslim extremists?
Point two: Every single country that "guest" mentioned ALSO has a significant and strong USA presence. I guess Putin is being controlled by American Conservatives, eh?
Point Three: The Rockefellers are not part of the Pentaverate.

[Rockyrd]

Point one: 100 years ago people rarely died from morbid obesity. Things change. Let me ask you something... Are Christians in the middle east dying to morbid obesity or muslim extremists?
Point two: Every single country that "guest" mentioned ALSO has a significant and strong USA presence. I guess Putin is being controlled by American Conservatives, eh?
Point Three: The Rockefellers are not part of the Pentaverate.

This post may not be the most convulEted unintelligent post ever, but it surely ranks up there, in my opinion.

I am responding because you are twisting MY words relative to Russia being present in those countries. Totally.

Look, you and another poster trust NO Muslims. You have made that clear; one poster preferring to be a bigot over ignoring another poster.

If you detest this religious group, stand up and admit it. Start a movement to change the wording on the Statue of LIberty to specifically exclude Muslims.

Look Muslim terror is terrible, admittetly so. If you think giving up on our founding principles is the answer, then go for it. That, in my opinion, is not making my country great or better, OR even safer.

Many groups have come to our shores,, been feared, and are now a big part of the very fiber of our country. Different traditions, different holidays, hate by a bigoted few, feared by many but we worked it out.

If we are now of the mind to simply disallow those who we hate, let's get a list and get at it...Hassaidic Jews ok ? Mexican landscapers ?

Just stop hiding bigotry. If you prefer to be bigoted, go for it.

PS...I added the Mexican folks and the Hassaidic Jews because we are told the Mexicans coming in our country are bad people and the Hassaidic Jews dress differently and have another set of laws.

[Reiver]

I don't like, trust, or want to be around people who want to kill me.
This includes muslims and liberals.

Good enough?

[Rockyrd]

I don't like, trust, or want to be around people who want to kill me.
This includes muslims and liberals.

Good enough?

Thus, you ask everyone for their registration card or political persuasion before any interaction, and of course their religious affiliation.

I think you, and others on here, actually believe this, and that sort of makes me nauseous. Hating, coming so very easily, based on hate and ignorance, is not making this country better.

[ColdNoMore]

Thus, you ask everyone for their registration card or political persuasion before any interaction, and of course their religious affiliation.

I think you, and others on here, actually believe this, and that sort of makes me nauseous. Hating, coming so very easily, based on hate and ignorance, is not making this country better.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

These types of people are too ignorant...to even know they're ignorant. :ohdear:

[Reiver]

Well, now you're changing the question.
You said: "If you detest this religious group, stand up and admit it."

[Rockyrd]

Well, now you're changing the question.
You said: "If you detest this religious group, stand up and admit it."

Muslim/Islam = a religion

[dave harris]

Russia is not making me lose sleep. Syria, Iran, Iraq, Afganistan, Turkey, Palestine, anywhere there are radical Muslims trouble me mightily. AND we have a whole contingent who aren't religious but don't want us to be mean to anyone because of religion who obviously do not see the problems with slums and crime and awful treatment of women in Europe by radical Muslims. Or maybe not so radical Muslims.

Russia is broken into pieces and no longer Communist. Putin is slimy but there are worse things in this world than Russia in my opinion. That little ******* with the fat face and stupid hairdo who is practicing with his arsenal over where we fought the war once in Korea is scary as hell.

russia is not communist, what is it, a democracy? trump said he would take care of north korea, when he was a canidate, well things are different when you have to make a decision that has meaning.

[MDLNB]

Donald Trump is the cause of many of my headaches. He is not predictable in the least and shoots himself in the foot daily. I wish he was more like the smooth talking diplomatic rascals I am used to. And then I remember that is why I voted for him. Both parties had become too polarized and subject to too many interest groups.

I agree with most of his policies.

AND...Nobody. NOBODY owns him.

His fifties attitude of "It's how a woman looks and how much a man owns and controls" is still shared by a LOT of people. A LOT of people. It doesn't bother me as much as it does a lot of younger and insecure people. Men are going to talk a certain way to each other and women are going to be catty as long as we have genders. He appears to be a good learner and seems surprised by how smart some women are.

I think Donald Trump may need hearing aids and could possibly have Dyslexia, since he doesn't seem comfortable with notes or a teleprompter. Maybe he just isn't smooth, period. He is one of the worst public speakers I have ever heard.

I think he loves this country, because who would subject themselves to this barrage of hatred when they could just live out their life with all of the creature comforts money can buy, AND surrounded by WONDERFUL kids??His immense wealth has already established power if power is what he needed.


Totally agree. Nuff said.

[MDLNB]

I think I would rather be thought a bigot, than a short sighted, inappropriately tenderhearted dumbass.

That is a valid point. You were very lenient in not adding many more adjectives to the equation.

[Don Baldwin]

russia is not communist, what is it, a democracy? trump said he would take care of north korea, when he was a canidate, well things are different when you have to make a decision that has meaning.

YES...yes it IS a Democracy...they have elections just like we do.

"The 1993 constitution declares Russia a democratic, federative, law-based state with a republican form of government. State power is divided among the legislative, executive, and judicial branches. Diversity of ideologies and religions is sanctioned, and a state or compulsory ideology may not be adopted."

Pretty clear...

Turn OFF the TV...it lies to you.

[cologal]

Donald Trump is the cause of many of my headaches. He is not predictable in the least and shoots himself in the foot daily. I wish he was more like the smooth talking diplomatic rascals I am used to. And then I remember that is why I voted for him. Both parties had become too polarized and subject to too many interest groups.

I agree with most of his policies.

AND...Nobody. NOBODY owns him.

His fifties attitude of "It's how a woman looks and how much a man owns and controls" is still shared by a LOT of people. A LOT of people. It doesn't bother me as much as it does a lot of younger and insecure people. Men are going to talk a certain way to each other and women are going to be catty as long as we have genders. He appears to be a good learner and seems surprised by how smart some women are.

I think Donald Trump may need hearing aids and could possibly have Dyslexia, since he doesn't seem comfortable with notes or a teleprompter. Maybe he just isn't smooth, period. He is one of the worst public speakers I have ever heard.

I think he loves this country, because who would subject themselves to this barrage of hatred when they could just live out their life with all of the creature comforts money can buy, AND surrounded by WONDERFUL kids??His immense wealth has already established power if power is what he needed.

AND...Nobody. NOBODY owns him.

EXCEPT VALDIMAR PUTIN

[MDLNB]

AND...Nobody. NOBODY owns him.

EXCEPT VALDIMAR PUTIN

I've heard a lot of accusations from Soros puppets, but have yet to see or hear ANY evidence or proof that Trump has ANY association with Putin. Like Comey would say, I have no evidence that Trump has any association with Russia.

[slipcovers]

I've heard a lot of accusations from Soros puppets, but have yet to see or hear ANY evidence or proof that Trump has ANY association with Putin. Like Comey would say, I have no evidence that Trump has any association with Russia.

I believe he said it was under investigation and would not comment on the investigation.

[MDLNB]

I believe he said it was under investigation and would not comment on the investigation.

Yes, of course. I am using his saying that he had no evidence of wire tapping as a correlation to this issue. He said he had no evidence but did not say there was no wire tapping. I have seen no evidence of Trump's association with Putin.

[cologal]

I've heard a lot of accusations from Soros puppets, but have yet to see or hear ANY evidence or proof that Trump has ANY association with Putin. Like Comey would say, I have no evidence that Trump has any association with Russia.

I really don't understand the Soros thing..... but that being said it appears the Trump campaign staff and now Trump White House staff have some point of contact with Russian operatives. So were there is smoke generally there is fire!

[dave harris]

YES...yes it IS a Democracy...they have elections just like we do.

"The 1993 constitution declares Russia a democratic, federative, law-based state with a republican form of government. State power is divided among the legislative, executive, and judicial branches. Diversity of ideologies and religions is sanctioned, and a state or compulsory ideology may not be adopted."

Pretty clear...

Turn OFF the TV...it lies to you.

Your not serious, democracy by assassination, is not democracy. In your zeal to back putin, who has a relationship with trump, you show your love for the communist dictator.

[Don Baldwin]

Your not serious, democracy by assassination, is not democracy. In your zeal to back putin, who has a relationship with trump, you show your love for the communist dictator.

I'm not showing "love" for anything/anyone. I'm simply telling you the FACT that Russia IS a "Democracy" and they have elections.

You can CHOOSE to believe whatever you like...the truth or the propaganda you see on TV...choose wisely.

You don't think this country is JUST as corrupt as Russia? You don't think WE interfere with other countries elections?

We/you are the kettle calling the pot black. We're the same, we operate the same.

[Rockyrd]

I'm not showing "love" for anything/anyone. I'm simply telling you the FACT that Russia IS a "Democracy" and they have elections.

You can CHOOSE to believe whatever you like...the truth or the propaganda you see on TV...choose wisely.

You don't think this country is JUST as corrupt as Russia? You don't think WE interfere with other countries elections?

We/you are the kettle calling the pot black. We're the same, we operate the same.

I ABSOLUTELY AND TOTALLY KNOW you are wrong

Is our democracy messy at times...yes, but your statements are absolutely and totally ludicrous.

Your allegiance is noted

[dirtbanker]

I ABSOLUTELY AND TOTALLY KNOW you are wrong

Is our democracy messy at times...yes, but your statements are absolutely and totally ludicrous.

Your allegiance is noted

Go ahead blow hard...you KNOW he is wrong...PROVE IT!

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[dirtbanker]

Copy and paste pro crooked hillary to ensue...

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[Don Baldwin]

I ABSOLUTELY AND TOTALLY KNOW you are wrong

Is our democracy messy at times...yes, but your statements are absolutely and totally ludicrous.

Your allegiance is noted

Go ahead blow hard...you KNOW he is wrong...PROVE IT!

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Lets go woman...show us all how smart you are...show us you know facts and this isn't just ANOTHER of your delusions...where you adamantly scream you know what is true...but it isn't.

"The 1993 constitution declares Russia a democratic, federative, law-based state with a republican form of government."

"Nothing about modern Russia is communist. It is not a classless society where all property is communally-owned."

"Yes, Russia is a real democracy"

"The Russian political system is one of the more recent to embrace democracy..."

is russia a democracy - Google Search (https://www.google.com/search?q=is+russia+a+democracy&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8)

[slipcovers]

Yes, of course. I am using his saying that he had no evidence of wire tapping as a correlation to this issue. He said he had no evidence but did not say there was no wire tapping. I have seen no evidence of Trump's association with Putin.

Just more of your "alternative facts" He said" I can not comment on an ongoing investigation regarding Russian interference"

[Rockyrd]

Look, all of you folks touting the Russian way of life have your right to do so.

I am a proud american, and know the difference between the two states.

There are surely Russian web sites for you to praise that system and thier way of life.

I prefer to be in this country and with all its warts and problems still consider it the best.

If you like Russia.....but praising that country for some unknown reason...I can only from reading the posts assume it is a defense of Trump....but I AM A PROUD AMERICAN

Corny, maybe......but that is how I feel

[dirtbanker]

Oh...now Rockface is inferring we are not proud to be Americans because blow hard has no proof that Don is wrong??

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[Don Baldwin]

Look, all of you folks touting the Russian way of life have your right to do so.

I am a proud american, and know the difference between the two states.

There are surely Russian web sites for you to praise that system and thier way of life.

I prefer to be in this country and with all its warts and problems still consider it the best.

If you like Russia.....but praising that country for some unknown reason...I can only from reading the posts assume it is a defense of Trump....but I AM A PROUD AMERICAN

Corny, maybe......but that is how I feel

Who is TOUTING Russian life? We're just saying you are WRONG about them. You stated they weren't a democracy and you were wrong.

You may be a proud American...but you DON'T know the difference between the two states...obviously you don't...you were wrong in your ONLY observation.

So do I...but...I want to FIX the warts. The warts are a crooked, corrupt, stealing government and a growing minority majority. We MUST fix them both or America will no longer exist in 30 years. Hispanics will be an absolute majority by then and it WILL be "their way of the highway". They won't be as foolish and accommodating as we are. GO into the minority part of town...either the black or Hispanic...see how you are treated. THAT IS America's future. America WAS #1...now that whites aren't the majority...we're #25...those are BIG warts.

I want GOOD relations between those who hold a LOT of nukes. It's ALWAYS better to be friendly trading partners than adversaries. I have NO IDEA what's really going on...and neither do you. Turn off the TV, it's nothing but propaganda.

You may be proud...but you're at the same time wrong. America...the America you envision doesn't exist...America is an evil empire controlled by those who control the huge multinational corporations. Corporations merely pass the RISK on to the public while the REAL owners take profits.

You've been indoctrinated and you are fed propaganda constantly. The world is full of lies...full of them.

[dave harris]

I'm not showing "love" for anything/anyone. I'm simply telling you the FACT that Russia IS a "Democracy" and they have elections.

You can CHOOSE to believe whatever you like...the truth or the propaganda you see on TV...choose wisely.

You don't think this country is JUST as corrupt as Russia? You don't think WE interfere with other countries elections?

We/you are the kettle calling the pot black. We're the same, we operate the same.

The words of a true patriot. trump dumps on this country just as you do, both in lockstep.

[Don Baldwin]

The words of a true patriot. trump dumps on this country just as you do, both in lockstep.

It IS the words of a TRUE patriot. I want what is best for the country...what IS best is GOOD relations with EVERY country. What IS best is MORE white people who made it great, not more minorities who do nothing but drag down wherever they live. EVERY black/brown majority country is in the BOTTOM half of world rankings. WE are becoming a black/brown majority country too. We've already dropped from #1 to #25 because of it. Each year, we drop a little more. Soon, America WILL be just like a Mexico II.

[Reiver]

Russians choose their Presidents in exactly the same manner that the Democrats choose their Presidential candidates.
That is to say, through coercion, corruption, bribery and intimidation.

[Don Baldwin]

Russians choose their Presidents in exactly the same manner that the Democrats choose their Presidential candidates.
That is to say, through coercion, corruption, bribery and intimidation.

So...they're REALLY...just like us...

[rubicon]

The words of a true patriot. trump dumps on this country just as you do, both in lockstep.

Dear Guest:

Define "dumps". ""Support your contentions . Be specific Cite your authority(s)

All and the only energy being generated by progressives like yourself is negativity and the only activity you offer to this nation is intentional interference . Progressives are good at playing the "spoilers".

Personal Best Regards:

[MDLNB]

Dear Guest:

Define "dumps". ""Support your contentions . Be specific Cite your authority(s)

All and the only energy being generated by progressives like yourself is negativity and the only activity you offer to this nation is intentional interference . Progressives are good at playing the "spoilers".

Personal Best Regards:

:agree:...:thumbup:

[Rockyrd]

Dear Guest:

Define "dumps". ""Support your contentions . Be specific Cite your authority(s)

All and the only energy being generated by progressives like yourself is negativity and the only activity you offer to this nation is intentional interference . Progressives are good at playing the "spoilers".

Personal Best Regards:

I keep asking you ..never get an answer...how do you know who is a progressive ? Is that a name you apply to anyone who disagrees with either you or Trump ?

You said today that a person could be a conservative on some issues and liberal on others, yet you continue to label fellow Americans based on a post in this forum. How do you do that ?

I have asked you many multiple times to " ""Support your contentions . Be specific Cite your authority(s) "

But you never do....

[MDLNB]

I keep asking you ..never get an answer...how do you know who is a progressive ? Is that a name you apply to anyone who disagrees with either you or Trump ?

You said today that a person could be a conservative on some issues and liberal on others, yet you continue to label fellow Americans based on a post in this forum. How do you do that ?

I have asked you many multiple times to " ""Support your contentions . Be specific Cite your authority(s) "

But you never do....

Maybe he is being polite and using that term instead of the more accurate terms of Libtard or Leftard. He does seem to be more civil on here than anyone else that posts.

[rubicon]

I keep asking you ..never get an answer...how do you know who is a progressive ? Is that a name you apply to anyone who disagrees with either you or Trump ?

You said today that a person could be a conservative on some issues and liberal on others, yet you continue to label fellow Americans based on a post in this forum. How do you do that ?

I have asked you many multiple times to " ""Support your contentions . Be specific Cite your authority(s) "

But you never do....

Because, from the very beginning you have answered my questions with a question and so two can play that game. Are you a progressive, an independent, apolitical.....? Let me know but by the ideology you display you appear to be a progressive or at least lean progressive in many aspects? i desire a true exchange political views but it seems there are but a few who are adult enough to contain their emotions. And because of that every time I attempt to have civil discussion attacks are returned. So civility is viewed as a weakness for many on this Board and I am not interested in being anyone whipping post.

I have said at least a dozen times on this forum that I am not enamored with Trump personally but I like 1) his agenda 2) the fact that he has been met with some of the nastiness treatment I have ever witnessed against a politician and he has yet blinked. Despite that posters continue their responses the same as yours above concerning my position on Trump. Is it that such posters don't bother to read other posts or that they cannot retain what they have read? ONCE AGAIN FOR THE EYES I AM NOT ENAMORED BY TRUMP BUT BY THE AGENDA HE ADVANCES. AS SUCH I AM NOT INTERESTED IN DEFENDING OR DISCUSSING TRUMP BUT I AM HAPPY TO ENGAGE IN DISCUSSING HIS POLICY CHOICES

Personal Best Regards:

[dave harris]

It IS the words of a TRUE patriot. I want what is best for the country...what IS best is GOOD relations with EVERY country. What IS best is MORE white people who made it great, not more minorities who do nothing but drag down wherever they live. EVERY black/brown majority country is in the BOTTOM half of world rankings. WE are becoming a black/brown majority country too. We've already dropped from #1 to #25 because of it. Each year, we drop a little more. Soon, America WILL be just like a Mexico II.

You are not patriotic, you and your kind are the reason this country, under trump, is going back to the 1920 era. No health care, no unions, no civil rights, ect, ect. I just hope you are affected by these "build america great again" farces.

[Taltarzac725]

You are not patriotic, you and your kind are the reason this country, under trump, is going back to the 1920 era. No health care, no unions, no civil rights, ect, ect. I just hope you are affected by these "build america great again" farces.

Well said. I would push this back to around 1870 myself as to how far back Trumpettes are trying to put us.

[MDLNB]

You are not patriotic, you and your kind are the reason this country, under trump, is going back to the 1920 era. No health care, no unions, no civil rights, ect, ect. I just hope you are affected by these "build america great again" farces.

It works for me. I gotta love all of your hysterics. You are good for entertainment value, if nothing else.

[Don Baldwin]

Well said. I would push this back to around 1870 myself as to how far back Trumpettes are trying to put us.

Why? Blacks were free and a pain in the as$.

Push it back to 1860.

You women...you get so hysterical!

[Taltarzac725]

Why? Blacks were free and a pain in the as$.

Push it back to 1860.

You women...you get so hysterical!

One word for Donald Trump.
Little Jack (******* scene from Meet The Fockers) - YouTube (https://youtu.be/OXRBELZpKak)

[Rockyrd]

Because, from the very beginning you have answered my questions with a question and so two can play that game. Are you a progressive, an independent, apolitical.....? Let me know but by the ideology you display you appear to be a progressive or at least lean progressive in many aspects? i desire a true exchange political views but it seems there are but a few who are adult enough to contain their emotions. And because of that every time I attempt to have civil discussion attacks are returned. So civility is viewed as a weakness for many on this Board and I am not interested in being anyone whipping post.

I have said at least a dozen times on this forum that I am not enamored with Trump personally but I like 1) his agenda 2) the fact that he has been met with some of the nastiness treatment I have ever witnessed against a politician and he has yet blinked. Despite that posters continue their responses the same as yours above concerning my position on Trump. Is it that such posters don't bother to read other posts or that they cannot retain what they have read? ONCE AGAIN FOR THE EYES I AM NOT ENAMORED BY TRUMP BUT BY THE AGENDA HE ADVANCES. AS SUCH I AM NOT INTERESTED IN DEFENDING OR DISCUSSING TRUMP BUT I AM HAPPY TO ENGAGE IN DISCUSSING HIS POLICY CHOICES

Personal Best Regards:

Simply put.....
You know I am conservative.

I am more concerned about the effect Trump is having on our presidency, our country's integrity worldwide, and frankly, in concert with Bannon what will happen to our democracy.

I like some of the issues and if someone, anyone other than Trump/Bannon were not driving, I would surprise you with my support...not for blind accusations made generally....by the actual issues.

I fear for our future, how we can believe, and not speaking of politics, but how we can believe anything this man says. If there is an emergency, HE WILL LIE if it has no gain for him.

Again, to be clear...my concern and fear is the Trump/Bannon duo in "the people house". They will present any and all conspiracy theories and will not be honest. THAT is a fact and it's affect, since never in history have so many lies, investigations and conspiracies been existent in the WH. He will insult our allies, as predicted before he took office and has done consistently.

He will make America great again, If and only if it benefits he or his family.

I am sorry...you are correct in one thing. I find it very difficult to discuss issues as long as a man who has DEMONSTRATED HE WILL OPENLY LIE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE is in the WH. To that I plead guilty.

I was a Republican and politically, I believe sincerely that he is also destroying that party, along with the Bannon influence.

I just flat out do not trust one word this WH gives us. And I understand nobody who trusts him or defends him in any way.

[Taltarzac725]

Simply put.....
You know I am conservative.

I am more concerned about the effect Trump is having on our presidency, our country's integrity worldwide, and frankly, in concert with Bannon what will happen to our democracy.

I like some of the issues and if someone, anyone other than Trump/Bannon were not driving, I would surprise you with my support...not for blind accusations made generally....by the actual issues.

I fear for our future, how we can believe, and not speaking of politics, but how we can believe anything this man says. If there is an emergency, HE WILL LIE if it has no gain for him.

Again, to be clear...my concern and fear is the Trump/Bannon duo in "the people house". They will present any and all conspiracy theories and will not be honest. THAT is a fact and it's affect, since never in history have so many lies, investigations and conspiracies been existent in the WH. He will insult our allies, as predicted before he took office and has done consistently.

He will make America great again, If and only if it benefits he or his family.

I am sorry...you are correct in one thing. I find it very difficult to discuss issues as long as a man who has DEMONSTRATED HE WILL OPENLY LIE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE is in the WH. To that I plead guilty.

I was a Republican and politically, I believe sincerely that he is also destroying that party, along with the Bannon influence.

I just flat out do not trust one word this WH gives us. And I understand nobody who trusts him or defends him in any way.

I vote Republican once in a while and still cannot stand Vice President Joe Biden but Trump/Bannon do scare me a great deal. These two play on the fears of the ignorant, uneducated, and easily swayed.

And I only think Trump became a Republican because he wanted to take a shot at the White House and this Republican base would be the easier to take advantage of in some manner.

[dave harris]

It works for me. I gotta love all of your hysterics. You are good for entertainment value, if nothing else.

Can't you little mind come up with anything better, trumpster?

[MDLNB]

Can't you little mind come up with anything better, trumpster?

Davie, davie, have you ever discussed an issue or even started a thread on here, or hasn't anyone shown you how yet? Tell you what, you call me a "trumpster" and I'll continue to label you correctly a TROLL, socialist and commie. That seems fair enough. Because, this way we should both be satisfied at owning our labels, right?

[MDLNB]

Simply put.....
You know I am conservative.

I am more concerned about the effect Trump is having on our presidency, our country's integrity worldwide, and frankly, in concert with Bannon what will happen to our democracy.

I like some of the issues and if someone, anyone other than Trump/Bannon were not driving, I would surprise you with my support...not for blind accusations made generally....by the actual issues.

I fear for our future, how we can believe, and not speaking of politics, but how we can believe anything this man says. If there is an emergency, HE WILL LIE if it has no gain for him.

Again, to be clear...my concern and fear is the Trump/Bannon duo in "the people house". They will present any and all conspiracy theories and will not be honest. THAT is a fact and it's affect, since never in history have so many lies, investigations and conspiracies been existent in the WH. He will insult our allies, as predicted before he took office and has done consistently.

He will make America great again, If and only if it benefits he or his family.

I am sorry...you are correct in one thing. I find it very difficult to discuss issues as long as a man who has DEMONSTRATED HE WILL OPENLY LIE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE is in the WH. To that I plead guilty.

I was a Republican and politically, I believe sincerely that he is also destroying that party, along with the Bannon influence.

I just flat out do not trust one word this WH gives us. And I understand nobody who trusts him or defends him in any way.

Rocky, how many times have you insisted that you are a conservative? Are you trying to convince us, or YOURSELF?

You have never said anything to prove you are a conservative, but that is like someone claiming to be a Christian. No one but GOD knows the truth.

[Rockyrd]

Rocky, how many times have you insisted that you are a conservative? Are you trying to convince us, or YOURSELF?

You have never said anything to prove you are a conservative, but that is like someone claiming to be a Christian. No one but GOD knows the truth.

No way you could tell from this current forum.

Nobody talks issues, so you could not tell.

This forum is to malign Hillary Clinton, Pres Obama, democrats, progressives, blacks, immigrants, etc.

A few of us fear this presidency and try to discus that, but that just turns into "progressives are the only evil in the world", or that most common type phrase..."oh yeah, well Clinton did this", or it does not matter if in 60 days the office of the President has become a total laughing stock throughout the world.

Even when one tries to begin a thread on a topic...it gets the minimum of looks, and very seldom a response that has anything to do with the issue.

Issues make you either. Conservative or liberal or whatever, NOT attacking people.

[wjboyer1]

I recall that Trumpsters liked him because he "tells it like it is".....now they say," Don't take him literally...."67038

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[Reiver]

1) Mexico and the wall - when you obtain a mortgage and buy a house, do YOU pay for it or does THE BANK?
2) salary - Trump-O-Meter: Take no salary | PolitiFact (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/promise/1341/take-no-salary/)
3) I'm bored, this is stupid, you won't think for yourself.... STFU & GTFO

[MDLNB]

No way you could tell from this current forum.

Nobody talks issues, so you could not tell.

This forum is to malign Hillary Clinton, Pres Obama, democrats, progressives, blacks, immigrants, etc.

A few of us fear this presidency and try to discus that, but that just turns into "progressives are the only evil in the world", or that most common type phrase..."oh yeah, well Clinton did this", or it does not matter if in 60 days the office of the President has become a total laughing stock throughout the world.

Even when one tries to begin a thread on a topic...it gets the minimum of looks, and very seldom a response that has anything to do with the issue.

Issues make you either. Conservative or liberal or whatever, NOT attacking people.

That is a fair answer, even if it is a bit disingenuous. You do realize how ludicrous your statement of "This forum is to malign Hillary Clinton, Pres Obama, democrats, progressives, blacks, immigrants, etc." is, right? Most of the threads started on here are an attempt to disparage President Trump, and ALL of the liberals on here, AND YOU are complicit in his lynching.

It is your prerogative to call yourself whatever you wish. It is our prerogative to believe your insistence of your claim, or not.

Nonetheless, probably an honest answer by your standards. :beer3:

[MDLNB]

1) Mexico and the wall - when you obtain a mortgage and buy a house, do YOU pay for it or does THE BANK?
2) salary - Trump-O-Meter: Take no salary | PolitiFact (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/promise/1341/take-no-salary/)
3) I'm bored, this is stupid, you won't think for yourself.... STFU & GTFO

Man, the guy must have lied because he promised to build a border wall. And it's been over two months and it ain't done yet.

[wjboyer1]

Donald Trump is the cause of many of my headaches. He is not predictable in the least and shoots himself in the foot daily. I wish he was more like the smooth talking diplomatic rascals I am used to. And then I remember that is why I voted for him. Both parties had become too polarized and subject to too many interest groups.

I agree with most of his policies.

AND...Nobody. NOBODY owns him.

His fifties attitude of "It's how a woman looks and how much a man owns and controls" is still shared by a LOT of people. A LOT of people. It doesn't bother me as much as it does a lot of younger and insecure people. Men are going to talk a certain way to each other and women are going to be catty as long as we have genders. He appears to be a good learner and seems surprised by how smart some women are.

I think Donald Trump may need hearing aids and could possibly have Dyslexia, since he doesn't seem comfortable with notes or a teleprompter. Maybe he just isn't smooth, period. He is one of the worst public speakers I have ever heard.

I think he loves this country, because who would subject themselves to this barrage of hatred when they could just live out their life with all of the creature comforts money can buy, AND surrounded by WONDERFUL kids??His immense wealth has already established power if power is what he needed.

Putin owns him....and you are being an ostrich with your head in the sand if you don't see that....or you have organic brain syndrome and refuse to take you medication.....either way, you are a moron

[ColdNoMore]

Putin owns him....and you are being an ostrich with your head in the sand if you don't see that....or you have organic brain syndrome and refuse to take you medication.....either way, you are a moron

:BigApplause:

[dave harris]

Davie, davie, have you ever discussed an issue or even started a thread on here, or hasn't anyone shown you how yet? Tell you what, you call me a "trumpster" and I'll continue to label you correctly a TROLL, socialist and commie. That seems fair enough. Because, this way we should both be satisfied at owning our labels, right?

You are the backer of trump, who is a communist sympathizer and has a personal relationship with putin. That makes you and trump traitors.

[dave harris]

Dear Guest:

Define "dumps". ""Support your contentions . Be specific Cite your authority(s)

All and the only energy being generated by progressives like yourself is negativity and the only activity you offer to this nation is intentional interference . Progressives are good at playing the "spoilers".

Personal Best Regards:

Can't you Google, or is that beyond your intelligence? We are negative, have you ever read your reply's or do you just plagiarize them and post?

[dave harris]

Because, from the very beginning you have answered my questions with a question and so two can play that game. Are you a progressive, an independent, apolitical.....? Let me know but by the ideology you display you appear to be a progressive or at least lean progressive in many aspects? i desire a true exchange political views but it seems there are but a few who are adult enough to contain their emotions. And because of that every time I attempt to have civil discussion attacks are returned. So civility is viewed as a weakness for many on this Board and I am not interested in being anyone whipping post.

I have said at least a dozen times on this forum that I am not enamored with Trump personally but I like 1) his agenda 2) the fact that he has been met with some of the nastiness treatment I have ever witnessed against a politician and he has yet blinked. Despite that posters continue their responses the same as yours above concerning my position on Trump. Is it that such posters don't bother to read other posts or that they cannot retain what they have read? ONCE AGAIN FOR THE EYES I AM NOT ENAMORED BY TRUMP BUT BY THE AGENDA HE ADVANCES. AS SUCH I AM NOT INTERESTED IN DEFENDING OR DISCUSSING TRUMP BUT I AM HAPPY TO ENGAGE IN DISCUSSING HIS POLICY CHOICES

Personal Best Regards:

" i desire a true exchange political views"

How could anyone have a "true exchange" from a person that backs a pathological lier, trump, because that makes you one also.

[dave harris]

Man, the guy must have lied because he promised to build a border wall. And it's been over two months and it ain't done yet.


Campaign website, August 2016: “One of my first acts as President will be to repeal and replace disastrous Obamacare, saving another 2 million American jobs.”

How did that work out. LOL LOL

[Rockyrd]

Can't you Google, or is that beyond your intelligence? We are negative, have you ever read your reply's or do you just plagiarize them and post?

My post for the day, but this guy is so challenged....

He will call anything negative about Trump false news. He does not have a response except to call it fake news.

Notice in any discussions on the Health Bill put forward, that he NEVER discusses the CONTENT of the bill which was terrible to begin with, and made worse by Trumps "negotiating". This man does not care the content, just his hero, Trump. Not content.

Blaming Democrats is more than stupid...he never asked for their help...NEVER. He began name calling of them early on, yet according to this poster, the Democrats or his favotite word "progressives" are at fault.

Trump is destroying the Republican party

No discussion from this poster about how he can pass tax reform without knowing cost of healthcare. Going to be difficult.

No discussion from this poster on his threats to Republicans behind the scenes, OR his total lack of knowledge of the bill.

To your point, I do not think he can Google...certainly he reads ONLY what feeds his hate for so many Americans....hate because they do not March lock step with he and Trump.

It is very sad that Bannon and his ilk now control this party.

[MDLNB]

You are the backer of trump, who is a communist sympathizer and has a personal relationship with putin. That makes you and trump traitors.

Now, that's just plain STUPID, Davie. Are you STUPID? Everyone knows that the left are commies. So, if Trump was a commie sympathizer, you leftards would be supporting him.

If Trump, a guy that hardly knows the man is considered to have a personal relationship with Putin, then what does that make Hillary that received millions of bucks from Putin? A lover?

[MDLNB]

Putin owns him....and you are being an ostrich with your head in the sand if you don't see that....or you have organic brain syndrome and refuse to take you medication.....either way, you are a moron

Give me some examples of Putin "owns him." Did trump receive millions of bucks from Putin, like Hillary and Podesta? Or doesn't Putin like Trump as much as he likes them?

[LadyPenO]

Well said. He is for extremely large government; corporate bail-outs; the military-industrialist complex; and mainly making his, his crones, and his family's bank accounts very much larger.

NOT HARDLY! Trump is NOT for big government! And his marital status is no worse than the majority of most Americans. Before his inauguration, his family and cronies had made their own fortunes, and all of them only want to improve government NOT make it larger. Trump has accomplished more in the 2 months of his appointment than Obama accomplished in eight years. The man never sleeps, but the former president slept on the job while the girls in the White House ran the show.

[dave harris]

Now, that's just plain STUPID, Davie. Are you STUPID? Everyone knows that the left are commies. So, if Trump was a commie sympathizer, you leftards would be supporting him.

If Trump, a guy that hardly knows the man is considered to have a personal relationship with Putin, then what does that make Hillary that received millions of bucks from Putin? A lover?

Document your allegations, or butt out.

[dave harris]

NOT HARDLY! Trump is NOT for big government! And his marital status is no worse than the majority of most Americans. Before his inauguration, his family and cronies had made their own fortunes, and all of them only want to improve government NOT make it larger. Trump has accomplished more in the 2 months of his appointment than Obama accomplished in eight years. The man never sleeps, but the former president slept on the job while the girls in the White House ran the show.

So the majority of most Americans have been married three times and committed adultery among other things.

[LadyPenO]

Eight years and Obama accomplished NOTHING, while each and every day, you and the liberal fake news media expects the wall to be built right away. Rome wasn't built in a day, so don't expect the wall or healthcare to be built in a day! ENOUGH ALREADY!!!! When does the man sleep?!! He's up tweeting at 4 and 5 most mornings, and working into the night, which Obama never put in a full day. I as a distruster of fake news would rather have it straight from the man via twitter than the fake news media.

[dave harris]

Give me some examples of Putin "owns him." Did trump receive millions of bucks from Putin, like Hillary and Podesta? Or doesn't Putin like Trump as much as he likes them?

Donald Trump on Vladimir Putin: In his own words - CNNPolitics.com (http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/28/politics/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-quotes/)

It doesn't get any clearer that trump is in bed with putin,he does it with woman also. Document the " receive millions of bucks from Putin, like Hillary and Podesta"

[dave harris]

Eight years and Obama accomplished NOTHING, while each and every day, you and the liberal fake news media expects the wall to be built right away. Rome wasn't built in a day, so don't expect the wall or healthcare to be built in a day! ENOUGH ALREADY!!!! When does the man sleep?!! He's up tweeting at 4 and 5 most mornings, and working into the night, which Obama never put in a full day. I as a distruster of fake news would rather have it straight from the man via twitter than the fake news media.

"Eight years and Obama accomplished NOTHING" What a pathetic statement, but what can you expect from the mentally challenged.

[dillywho]

My post for the day, but this guy is so challenged....

He will call anything negative about Trump false news. He does not have a response except to call it fake news.

Notice in any discussions on the Health Bill put forward, that he NEVER discusses the CONTENT of the bill which was terrible to begin with, and made worse by Trumps "negotiating". This man does not care the content, just his hero, Trump. Not content.

Blaming Democrats is more than stupid...he never asked for their help...NEVER. He began name calling of them early on, yet according to this poster, the Democrats or his favotite word "progressives" are at fault.

Trump is destroying the Republican party

No discussion from this poster about how he can pass tax reform without knowing cost of healthcare. Going to be difficult.

No discussion from this poster on his threats to Republicans behind the scenes, OR his total lack of knowledge of the bill.

To your point, I do not think he can Google...certainly he reads ONLY what feeds his hate for so many Americans....hate because they do not March lock step with he and Trump.

It is very sad that Bannon and his ilk now control this party.

Excuse me, but where is it said that Democrats need to have an "invitation" to participate in Congressional matters? Democrats, namely Schumer and Pelosi, said before the talks ever started that they wanted no part of it and would not support ANYTHING the Republicans came up with; yet, you complain that President Trump never ASKED them?

Why does he have to know the cost of health care before he can reform taxes? That has absolutely nothing to do with other taxes out there. The one thing I remember about that part is that he wants to do away with fining people on their tax returns because they don't take part in the mandatory requirement of obtaining Obamacare. I totally agree. People should never have been fined in the first place. Why should people be penalized for something that they can not afford? I can't afford a Cadillac, either, but at least I don't have to pay a fine for driving something else or nothing at all. This was ruled by the Supreme Court to be a tax in the first place, but yet I don't think it is deductible or included in the standard tax deduction for those who do not itemize. Is it? That begs the question also: Is that a tax and not a fine, if requiring the purchase price of insurance has been ruled a tax? Just asking.

As for the President's total lack of knowledge of the content of the bill, when in business (yes, government is a business now) does the one at the top have complete knowledge of policies/procedures as they are being written by those assigned to take care of it? No, when they have finished, it is submitted to him to approve/disapprove, and make changes if necessary. It's called 'delegate'. If at that time, he doesn't read and totally understand but signs it anyway, then HE owns it because he signed off on it.

[Rockyrd]

Excuse me, but where is it said that Democrats need to have an "invitation" to participate in Congressional matters? Democrats, namely Schumer and Pelosi, said before the talks ever started that they wanted no part of it and would not support ANYTHING the Republicans came up with; yet, you complain that President Trump never ASKED them?

Why does he have to know the cost of health care before he can reform taxes? That has absolutely nothing to do with other taxes out there. The one thing I remember about that part is that he wants to do away with fining people on their tax returns because they don't take part in the mandatory requirement of obtaining Obamacare. I totally agree. People should never have been fined in the first place. Why should people be penalized for something that they can not afford? I can't afford a Cadillac, either, but at least I don't have to pay a fine for driving something else or nothing at all. This was ruled by the Supreme Court to be a tax in the first place, but yet I don't think it is deductible or included in the standard tax deduction for those who do not itemize. Is it? That begs the question also: Is that a tax and not a fine, if requiring the purchase price of insurance has been ruled a tax? Just asking.

As for the President's total lack of knowledge of the content of the bill, when in business (yes, government is a business now) does the one at the top have complete knowledge of policies/procedures as they are being written by those assigned to take care of it? No, when they have finished, it is submitted to him to approve/disapprove, and make changes if necessary. It's called 'delegate'. If at that time, he doesn't read and totally understand but signs it anyway, then HE owns it because he signed off on it.

I think the Democrats said they would take a pass as long as the basic must have was REPEAL. They have expressed that message a few times since Friday.
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Tax cuts, or reform WILL affect the national deficit. Depending on health care, one of largest items, in the budget is a major consideration, at least in my opinion.
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President Trump is the lead man now. He, and he alone has been selling this particular bill for many many months.

"As House Republicans moved towards a vote on the health care bill, GOP lawmakers characterized his role similarly. This week, in advance of meetings with Republicans who opposed the bill, Rep. Patrick McHenry (R-North Carolina) called Trump "the closer." Final support for the bill would be won by Trump, who would use his skills as a dealmaker to push it over the finish line.

Trump repeatedly promised to repeal and replace Obamacare with "something terrific." But he never described the policy mechanisms of the replacement he preferred. And the outcomes he described—coverage for everyone, lower premiums, no changes to Medicaid—had little or no connection to the bill that House Republicans eventually drew up.

That didn't seem to matter to the president. As has always been the case with Trump, making a deal—any deal—was all that mattered.

In the end, though, the bill died. Trump couldn't close the deal. And one of the biggest reasons that Trump couldn't close the deal is that he didn't understand or care about the details.

The GOP’s Obamacare Repeal Bill Is Dead Because Trump Doesn’t Understand How Health Policy Works - Hit & Run : Reason.com (http://reason.com/blog/2017/03/24/the-gops-obamacare-repeal-bill-is-dead-b)

"President Trump was downright low energy.

The look on his face, as he meandered through unscripted remarks Friday after the defeat of the Republican health care plan he supported, told the story. The unusually subdued Trump called the loss a "learning experience." Then he seemed to shrug it all off and said he was moving on.

But it's hardly going to be that simple or easy. The same fissures in the GOP that derailed the health care bill will be there when it comes to any big issue moving forward, whether it's tax reform, infrastructure or funding the government. And Republicans warn that, unless the president is willing to learn and own the details, the result will likely be the same — failure.

Trump's agenda may be doomed unless he learns that 'little' stuff matters | Minnesota Public Radio News (https://www.mprnews.org/story/2017/03/27/npr-trumps-agenda-may-be-doomed-unless-he-learns-little-stuff-matters)

[Rockyrd]

And this, of course.


"Enter the Freedom Caucus. Trump and Ryan asked this secretive coterie of nearly three dozen congressmen (and yes, they are all men) to vote for a bill that manages a measly 17 percent approval rating. President Trump did make some concessions with the far-right wing of the party, agreeing to cut language about so-called “essential health benefits” like mental health and emergency room coverage. But the bill preserves some pieces of Obamacare, which members of the Freedom Caucus have long promised to repeal.

“This is a case where it does seem that the advantages to him are clear, and the advantages to the members are unclear,” Thaler says. Trump’s ultimatum, then, appears to have overplayed its hand. It was precisely the kind of deal that gets turned down."

Trump's Ultimatum Caused the AHCA Health Care Bill Failure | WIRED (https://www.wired.com/2017/03/want-understand-trumps-health-care-implosion-play-ultimatum-game/)

[Rockyrd]

It IS a learning experience, not a PRIVATE REAL ESTATE where you own it and answer to nobody and cn insult and bully all you want.

Hope he learns and manifests that by getting two parties together could be his great achievement.

"Spicer conceded that the shift to working with Democrats would mark a significant break by the White House, which believed it could rely on GOP majorities to pass legislation. He added that the White House is launching a post-mortem to discover what went right and what went wrong with the health care bill.Trump's outreach to Democrats may be hampered by his past remarks. In January, he called Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer "head clown" of the party. His unfavorable rating among the Democratic grassroots, meantime, is at a sky-high 85 percent, according to one recent poll.

Donald Trump Changes Tone on Democrats After Health Care | Time.com (http://time.com/4714199/donald-trump-democrats-tax-reform-infrastructure/)

[mklewdow]

We are obsessed because he is destroying our country, something you with blinders on can't see, or because your a trumpster do not care. When you are affected in the pocket book you will be the first to bitch, and it is coming.Obama already destroyed our country. Trump has a HUGE mess trying to undo the ravages of past administration.

[sunglow]

NOBODY OWNS HIM???? HOW about the RUSSIANS!!!!

[Rockyrd]

Obama already destroyed our country. Trump has a HUGE mess trying to undo the ravages of past administration.

.....Russia invades our electoral system in order to help Trump. Trump says it didn't happen and then ho-hums any investigation. Many, not a few Trump folks have direct and striping ties to Russia. Major part confirmed, Congress still investigating Trump involvement.

.....Trump accuses Obama of wiretapping. Congress investigates. No evidence to support.

.....Trump accuses US of allowing 5 million illegals to fraudently vote. No evidence, investigation on going.

A few of the "ravages" of the past 90 days, none related to Obama.

You can not like Obama policies, as I did not, but the only mess facing us now is the current 90 day administration.

Would you prefer discussion on health care, taxes, etc ? I sure would, but Trump has given us investigations, fake news, slander, and on and on.

You can express anger at Obama policies, none of which Trump is trying to clean up..fact is he is adopting much of what Obama was doing, but mess....no way. The last 90 days have been very messy.

I might add, and I realize that degree I cant be specific on , but entirely not debate able is what he has done to the Presidency itself and our foreign image. We,through out the world are a laughing stock as is our Presidency. Our allies do not trust us one bit...because of Trump lies in just 90 days. He had embarassed himself and our country before the foreign press...imagine OUR PRESIDENT claiming publcally before the international press and the President of Germany that he thinks our friends the UK helped to wiretap him and he, the leader of the free world with a super intelligence system, bases that on Judge Napalitano on Fox.

[sunglow]

I'm curious. In what way did Obama destroy our country??

[dave harris]

Obama already destroyed our country. Trump has a HUGE mess trying to undo the ravages of past administration.

Since you know so much, elaborate how "Obama already destroyed our country."

de·stroy
dəˈstroi/
verb
past tense: destroyed; past participle: destroyed
put an end to the existence of (something) by damaging or attacking it.
"the room had been destroyed by fire"
synonyms: demolish, knock down, level, raze (to the ground), fell;

[ColdNoMore]

Obama already destroyed our country. Trump has a HUGE mess trying to undo the ravages of past administration.

Oh puhleeze! :1rotfl: :1rotfl:

You must be 8 years old, because there is no way you were alive when Obama took over the utter meltdown of this great country (while under 43)...and then watching The Simpleton slink out of office. :oops:

No one can be THAT ignorant. :ohdear:



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

[Reiver]

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[Don Baldwin]

Obama already destroyed our country. Trump has a HUGE mess trying to undo the ravages of past administration.

The destruction has been going on far longer than that...since the 60s and the civil rights movement, we've been heading down. From #1 to #25 and dropping.

NOBODY OWNS HIM???? HOW about the RUSSIANS!!!!

How about the men behind the curtain?