Health bill vote delayed in House in setback to Trump, Ryan

[dave harris]

LOL, the big negotiator flunked his first battle. Even his own party is disgusted with his lies and bs. Donny is probably wringing his little hands and saying 'this never happened to me before, because I would fire the people who didn't do as I say.

[wjboyer1]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

BREAKING: After seven years of criticizing Obamacare, Republicans couldn't even pass their OWN bill.

[Reiver]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

BREAKING: After seven years of criticizing Obamacare, Republicans couldn't even pass their OWN bill.

See Also: Autistic Screeching.

[dave harris]

See Also: Autistic Screeching.

Sorry for your problem.

[dirtbanker]

Sorry for your problem.

Your a problem, thanks for the apology!

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[Rockyrd]

LOL, the big negotiator flunked his first battle. Even his own party is disgusted with his lies and bs. Donny is probably wringing his little hands and saying 'this never happened to me before, because I would fire the people who didn't do as I say.

He didn't write ART IF THE DEAL.

Tony Schwartz was his ghostwriter, and those of you who neglected to vet your hero should read the link below.

This is a quote from that link by the ghostwriter...


“I put lipstick on a pig,” he said. “I feel a deep sense of remorse that I contributed to presenting Trump in a way that brought him wider attention and made him more appealing than he is.” He went on, “I genuinely believe that if Trump wins and gets the nuclear codes there is an excellent possibility it will lead to the end of civilization.”

If he were writing “The Art of the Deal” today, Schwartz said, it would be a very different book with a very different title. Asked what he would call it, he answered, “The Sociopath.”

Donald Trump’s Ghostwriter Tells All - The New Yorker (http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all)

[MDLNB]

Interesting to see how the left is rooting for failure in America. By the middle of this year, Obamacare will be defunct if not replaced. Only a leftard would insist on going down with the sinking ship when a lifeboat has been offered. Only the left wishes to see America fail. Pretty UN-Patriotic to say the least.

Trump did exactly what he promised. He has pushed an alternative for the failed ObieCare. He didn't fail, the children in congress failed. Trump has pushed for immigration reform to shore up national security. The left sabotaged it by using partisan politics to illegally put a halt to his moratorium on visas for certain countries. The judge said his decision was not based on the EO but on what Trump might have thought last year when he was running a campaign. A left wing judge that was in cahoots with Obama.

Trump is not failing. Trump is sacrificing his time and effort for his country. How many of you liberals have ever done anything for your country?

Once we get past this and Trump gets past the liberal hindering, the left won't be cheering anymore...they'll be complaining about his hair, his skin color, his son, his wife, his daughter or even global warming. It won't be on the issues, because they know that America want's what Trump is attempting to do. The ironic thing is that he is a former Democrat, doing moderate things that the left thought was OK for Obama to do, and it is the left fighting him as well as the far right. I am surprised that the left seeing the far right fighting him, don't join him in his attempt to get these things done. But, it is obvious that for the left, it is not the policies but the man that they do not support.

[Love2cruise]

[/B]Trump is not failing. Trump is sacrificing his time and effort for his country. How many of you liberals have ever done anything for your country.

And why don't you enlighten us what you have done for your country. How dare you make a general statement assuming because someone doesn't agree with you they haven't done anything for their country. You should be ashamed of yourself!

[MDLNB]

[/B]Trump is not failing. Trump is sacrificing his time and effort for his country. How many of you liberals have ever done anything for your country.

And why don't you enlighten us what you have done for your country. How dare you make a general statement assuming because someone doesn't agree with you they haven't done anything for their country. You should be ashamed of yourself!

Obviously, this bothers you. There must be a reason for it. If you read the comment correctly, it was a question as to how many can say that they volunteered to sacrifice for their country. If that bothers you, then maybe you have a good reason or maybe I have struck a nerve too close to home.

Yes, I have spent most of my life serving my country. That is why I have little patience with the spoiled leftards that enjoy their freedoms because of those that gave for their country when they themselves disparage those that put country before themselves. I did not say ALL libtards have not served their country. But most folks that sacrifice for their country scorn spoiled liberals that have not even traveled to other countries that they wish to copy.

And lady, I am not ashamed of myself. I am ashamed of many on here that NEED to be babied by a gov nanny. If you didn't or couldn't serve your country, then it would be prudent for you to keep your false indignity to yourself.

[dave harris]

Interesting to see how the left is rooting for failure in America. By the middle of this year, Obamacare will be defunct if not replaced. Only a leftard would insist on going down with the sinking ship when a lifeboat has been offered. Only the left wishes to see America fail. Pretty UN-Patriotic to say the least.

Trump did exactly what he promised. He has pushed an alternative for the failed ObieCare. He didn't fail, the children in congress failed. Trump has pushed for immigration reform to shore up national security. The left sabotaged it by using partisan politics to illegally put a halt to his moratorium on visas for certain countries. The judge said his decision was not based on the EO but on what Trump might have thought last year when he was running a campaign. A left wing judge that was in cahoots with Obama.

Trump is not failing. Trump is sacrificing his time and effort for his country. How many of you liberals have ever done anything for your country?

Once we get past this and Trump gets past the liberal hindering, the left won't be cheering anymore...they'll be complaining about his hair, his skin color, his son, his wife, his daughter or even global warming. It won't be on the issues, because they know that America want's what Trump is attempting to do. The ironic thing is that he is a former Democrat, doing moderate things that the left thought was OK for Obama to do, and it is the left fighting him as well as the far right. I am surprised that the left seeing the far right fighting him, don't join him in his attempt to get these things done. But, it is obvious that for the left, it is not the policies but the man that they do not support.

The great negotiator trump is a dismal failure, He can't even get his own party to back him, maybe he can bring in the russian hackers to vote for it, if it ever comes up again.

[MDLNB]

The great negotiator trump is a dismal failure, He can't even get his own party to back him, maybe he can bring in the russian hackers to vote for it, if it ever comes up again.

Do you feel better now? I really hope you do. I am hearing entirely too many sirens recently. Perhaps the stress of so much grieving over Hillary's massacre.

Trump is not a one trick pony. He has been accomplishing a whole lot of good things in the last two months. No one ever claimed that he was undefeated, just a winner. Hope you are not betting against America, because it seems that you are betting against your president.

[MDLNB]

The great negotiator trump is a dismal failure, He can't even get his own party to back him, maybe he can bring in the russian hackers to vote for it, if it ever comes up again.

Doesn't that make you feel good? Betting against your country must make you feel real clean, right Davie? Did Trump ever say he never failed? But, he is a winner so don't bet too much of your money against America, because Trump hasn't even finished round one. It's only been two months and he has accomplished more than Obie did in two years. So, save your money and don't bet against your country.

[Rosie1950]

Do you feel better now? I really hope you do. I am hearing entirely too many sirens recently. Perhaps the stress of so much grieving over Hillary's massacre.

Trump is not a one trick pony. He has been accomplishing a whole lot of good things in the last two months. No one ever claimed that he was undefeated, just a winner. Hope you are not betting against America, because it seems that you are betting against your president.

Let's see what has he done?

1. The wall: MEXICO WILL PAY FOR THE WALL.
Heads up Donnie Chimp NO THEY'RE NOT!

2. Your travel ban times 2, tied up in court!!!!

3. Repeal and replace the affordable health care NOT.
NOT A VERY GOOD CLOSER DONNIE BOY.

4. Last but not least the FBI has hung a huge wet soggy
cloud over 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Putin must be so
proud!

Imagine all this in JUST 64 days, has it really ONLY been 64 days?

On the stump he said he was going to take care of everybody, today he said this was the best thing that could have happened, he makes me want tobarf

[dirtbanker]

Go barf Rosie

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[Rosie1950]

Go barf Rosie

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Forgot the most important no.5. he is a self proclaimed Amazing Kresky Sleuth Sayer. Lets not forget the Times article!:bowdown:

[dirtbanker]

Rosie's word vomit...

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[chachacha]

the left will not be laughing when the real problems with Obamacare rear their ugly heads in the next year or so, and then they will be sorry they did not support this very moderate measure, as witnessed by the complaints of the conservatives. perhaps Trump is smarter than we think.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

the left will not be laughing when the real problems with Obamacare rear their ugly heads in the next year or so, and then they will be sorry they did not support this very moderate measure, as witnessed by the complaints of the conservatives. perhaps Trump is smarter than we think.

Exactly!! This is a huge defeat for the democrats and a huge defeat for the American people. President Trump stated several times that the best thing that the republicans could do politically would be to do nothing and just let Obamacare die a slow death. The problem with that is it is going to hurt a lot of American citizens. Now that will happen and the democrats will own it.

Right now more insurance companies are opting out of the exchanges. Five estates have only one insurer. Premiums went up and average of 26% with Arizona leading the charge with a 116% increase. As premiums increased so did deductibles while coverage increased. This monster cannot be sustained. It's a simple math problem. It will now die a slow death causing chaos until the democrats decided to stop playing politics and work with the republicans to find a fix.

People say that the Freedom Caucus is to blame for it not passing when some of them were ready to vote aye. Some moderate republicans were going to vote no. They had about 211 of the 216 votes that they needed. Not one democrat was going to vote for it. If five democrats decided to do what was right for the country instead of what they thought was right for their party, it would have passed. Instead we will look forward to turmoil and suffering caused by the Affordable Care Act.

As far as President Trump being a failure, we are now 64 days into a 1461 day term. Kennedy started out very poorly as did Ronald Reagan. Bill Clinton's first 100 days were a disaster.

Buy the way for those of you saying that he's done nothing, here's an partial list of his accomplishments so far.


Clean Water Act: President Trump signed an executive order calling for a review of an Obama-era rule expanding the number of bodies of water under environmental protection.

Historically Black Colleges and Universities: President Trump signed an executive order moving the federal initiative on HBCUs directly to the White House instead of under the Department of Education in order to "promote excellence," the White House said.

Women in Science: President Trump signed two bills aiming to promote women in the STEM fields. The Protecting Women in Entrepreneurship Act calls on the National Science Foundation to "recruit and support women to expand their focus into the commercial world in its entrepreneurial programs. The Inspiring the Next Space Pioneers, Innovators, Researchers and Explorers Women Act requires NASA to encourage women and girls to study science, technology, engineering and mathematics.

Gun Control: President Trump signed a bill nullifying an Obama-era rule aimed at blocking gun sales to people found to be mentally ill.

February 24

Regulatory Reform: President Trump signed an executive order to direct federal agencies to evaluate existing regulations. The action is part of Trump's plan to eliminate what he views as overreaching, "job-killing" restrictions.

February 16

Stream Protection: President Trump signed House Joint Resolution 38, which scraps an Obama administration environmental rule to protect waterways from coal mining waste. Trump's administration said the rule puts mining companies at a competitive disadvantage.

February 14

Anti-Corruption Repeal: President Trump signed House Joint Resolution 41, which wipes away a federal rule that requires energy companies to disclose royalties and government payments. The rule was imposed by the Obama administration last year as a transparency measure. Trump's government said it puts U.S. energy companies at a disadvantage.

February 9

Police Protection: Trump signed an order to review existing laws and produce legislation to better protect federal, state and local law enforcement officers. The action is a response to increased attacks against officers in the past year.

Crime Reduction: The president ordered Attorney General Jeff Sessions to create a new federal task force to share information among agencies, develop strategies, identify deficiencies in current laws, evaluate criminal data and make recommendations for greater safety of U.S. citizens.

Foreign Crime Fighting: Trump issued an executive order prioritizing efforts to prosecute foreign-based crimes like drug and human trafficking. It calls for stricter enforcement of laws already on the books and efforts to "identify, interdict, disrupt, and dismantle transnational criminal organizations."

February 3

Wall Street Regulation: Trump signed an executive order to ease U.S. fiscal regulations in the Dodd–Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act of 2010 -- which was a response to the financial crisis and Great Recession that Trump's administration called "overreaching."

Money Manager Rule: The president ordered the Labor Department to review a rule from former President Barack Obama requiring financial managers to act in their clients' best interests when handling retirement accounts. The department will determine whether such a mandate is necessary.

January 31

Supreme Court: Trump nominated federal appellate Judge Neil McGill Gorsuch to replace Associate Justice Antonin Scalia on the Supreme Court. Some Democrats promised to filibuster the confirmation process after Republicans refused to hold hearings on former President Barack Obama's nomination of Merrick Garland after Scalia's death.

January 30

Federal regulations: Trump signed an executive order requiring that for every new federal regulation on small and large businesses, two existing regulations must be removed. He signed the document after a meeting with small business leaders. Trump said he wants to end regulatory discrepancy between big and small business.

CIA in the NSC: White House spokesman Sean Spicer said the CIA was added to Trump's National Security Council -- something that wasn't done by former President Barack Obama due to the creation of the national intelligence director post in 2005.

January 28

National Security Council: Trump reorganized the council, adding his chief strategist, Steve Bannon. The council is a panel of officials, most of them Cabinet level, who work with the president to determine the best course of action on security issues.

January 27

Military strength: Trump signed an executive order to provide new resources and equipment to strengthen the U.S. military. The order promises to "rebuild" American armed forces and upgrade national and global security as part of a strategy that dictates "peace through strength." The order directs Defense Secretary James Mattis to assess the country's military and nuclear capabilities.

Visa vetting: Trump signed an executive order that calls for more intensive security checks for foreign nationals seeking U.S. travel visas. The action stems from a controversial proposal Trump made during his campaign -- to prevent certain refugees from nations of concern, like Iraq and Syria, from reaching U.S. shores until they can be cleared.

January 25

Border security: Trump signed an executive action directing federal agencies to prepare for "immediate construction" of a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border -- a controversial project that was at the center of his presidential campaign.

Immigration enforcement: The president signed an executive order to strip federal grant money from so-called "sanctuary cities" -- U.S. municipalities that protect undocumented immigrants from federal prosecution. Trump's order also seeks to hire 10,000 additional immigration officers, build more detention centers and prioritize immigrants for deportation.

January 24

Oil pipelines: Trump signed executive orders that would make it possible to complete the Dakota Access and restart the process for the construction of the Keystone XL oil pipeline from Canada.

January 23

Abortion: Trump signed a presidential memorandum reviving a rule that prevents U.S. funds from going to certain health charities around the world that counsel on abortions. Known as the Mexico City policy, it was first instituted by former President Ronald Reagan in 1984 and has been on and off the books ever since.

Trans-Pacific Partnership: Trump signed a presidential memorandum withdrawing the United States from the trade deal with Asia. The pact has been criticized by people skeptical of its benefits and worried over its potential to kill U.S. jobs. Proponents of the deal worry that pulling out could harm relations with key allies in the region.

Federal workforce: Trump ordered a temporary hiring freeze for federal workers, except for the military and certain security positions.

January 20

Obamacare: Within hours of his inauguration, Trump took his first step toward appealing the Affordable Care Act, signing an executive order calling on government agencies to "ease the burden" of the policy.

Trump's order asked federal agencies to "prepare to afford the states more flexibility and control to create a more free and open healthcare market."

Homeowners insurance: The new president also suspended a scheduled insurance rate cut for new homeowners, which had been set by Barack Obama's government. The cut would have reduced annual insurance premiums for new Federal Housing Administration loans by 25 basis points -- from 0.85 to 0.60.

Federal regulations: Trump also ordered a freeze on all new federal regulations that had not been finalized.

[Sandtrap328]

Doesn't that make you feel good? Betting against your country must make you feel real clean, right Davie? Did Trump ever say he never failed? But, he is a winner so don't bet too much of your money against America, because Trump hasn't even finished round one. It's only been two months and he has accomplished more than Obie did in two years. So, save your money and don't bet against your country.

MDLBQ, you are a proud Trumpfer, aren't you? Look up Trumpfer, by the way.

Go play with your sheep.

[Paper1]

Interesting to see how the left is rooting for failure in America. By the middle of this year, Obamacare will be defunct if not replaced. Only a leftard would insist on going down with the sinking ship when a lifeboat has been offered. Only the left wishes to see America fail. Pretty UN-Patriotic to say the least.

Trump did exactly what he promised. He has pushed an alternative for the failed ObieCare. He didn't fail, the children in congress failed. Trump has pushed for immigration reform to shore up national security. The left sabotaged it by using partisan politics to illegally put a halt to his moratorium on visas for certain countries. The judge said his decision was not based on the EO but on what Trump might have thought last year when he was running a campaign. A left wing judge that was in cahoots with Obama.

Trump is not failing. Trump is sacrificing his time and effort for his country. How many of you liberals have ever done anything for your country?

Once we get past this and Trump gets past the liberal hindering, the left won't be cheering anymore...they'll be complaining about his hair, his skin color, his son, his wife, his daughter or even global warming. It won't be on the issues, because they know that America want's what Trump is attempting to do. The ironic thing is that he is a former Democrat, doing moderate things that the left thought was OK for Obama to do, and it is the left fighting him as well as the far right. I am surprised that the left seeing the far right fighting him, don't join him in his attempt to get these things done. But, it is obvious that for the left, it is not the policies but the man that they do not support.
To be honest I'm tempted to reply but won't.

[ColdNoMore]

the left will not be laughing when the real problems with Obamacare rear their ugly heads in the next year or so, and then they will be sorry they did not support this very moderate measure, as witnessed by the complaints of the conservatives. perhaps Trump is smarter than we think.

The right needs to be honest and just come out and admit that they don't really care if the poor, minorities or the currently unhealthy...have health insurance.

One of the main problems with the ACA, is that the penalty for not having healthcare is too low and consequently the large pool of those who don't 'think' they need it...would rather pay the penalty than become part of the pool needed.

Whether it be home/car/health/etc insurance to work (with private insurers), means you will ALWAYS have to have those who won't use it so that here is enough money for those who will...and that isn't happening with the current form of ACA.

Having people paying that don't use it, is the ONLY WAY ANY insurance model can be sustained...unless the government is using tax money to pay for it.

The fact that the overwhelming majority of Americans support insurance coverage for pre-existing conditions (even a large number of hard-core righties)...has been well established.

The problem with that is the FACT that they either aren't smart enough, or refuse to think about how insurers can afford to do that...without having a large pool of healthy participants.

It is no different than the requirement to carry vehicle insurance, even if you have never filed a claim. Why is it that most people accept that we should protect an inanimate object...but not a fellow citizens life? :ohdear:

What continues to amaze me are the vast numbers of heartless Americans that have the 'I got mine, screw you' mentality.

The answer for many on the right, is that they think someone is getting something they didn't earn (and in some cases, that is true) so they would rather watch other American citizens suffer...than let that small % get health insurance.

To me, that is the ultimate in selfishness and black-hearted thinking/philosophy...that I don't believe this great country stands for.

So, as I said, this country needs to decide if the health of its citizens is something that is more important than protecting its automobiles...or nothing will change.

As for the ACA 'imploding,' either through ignorance, or lack of knowledge, or even outright denial, critics of it forget that healthcare premiums and the cost of healthcare... had been rising dramatically and unabated for decades.

Which was LONG before ACA.

I wish you people on the right would just be honest enough to come right out and admit that since the people who are most helped by ACA (or single-payer) are the poor, minorities, women and the ones not as fortunate as a lot of us...so you don't really care about them anyway.

So c'mon you cold-hearted and lying righties, just stand up and go ahead and admit that you don't give a $hit about those people...because we all know it by your actions anyway.

And if you by some chance aren't actually part of that selfish, cold-hearted and Un-American right-wingers...take a minute to stop and think about what I mentioned above.

Here's a good article that spells out the fundamental party differences...that is at the root of our national healthcare issue.

America needs to decide: is health care something we owe our citizens? - Vox (http://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/3/6/14826974/health-care-aca-philosophy-republican-obamacare)

And so we find ourselves here again. We are in a better starting place than we were in 2008. The ACA’s greatest success lies in how much it tipped the scales in favor of social solidarity. No one is going to take health care away from all of the 20 million the ACA added.

It is now the new normal to think, for example, that 26-year-olds should be insured and, in some states, that poor single men deserve health care, too. Even President Trump, as quoted above, embraced the new baseline Obama left behind, claiming everyone would be covered.

And that baseline is a reason we have a healthy number of republican governors and senators now telling the House to slow down and rethink its thoughtless cuts. That’s a remarkable legacy for the ACA. It sounds a lot like solidarity.

[chachacha]

young people would have been encouraged to have health ins under the republican bill because first of all they did not have to buy coverage they did not need., such as drug treatment if they knew they were not into that lifestyle, and middle class families would have received tax credits to help them afford their ins payments. instead they are just paying penalties which are not enough to cover the costs of all the other older sick people. it would have been wise for the dems to support this plan.

[ColdNoMore]

young people would have been encouraged to have health ins under the republican bill because first of all they did not have to buy coverage they did not need., such as drug treatment if they knew they were not into that lifestyle, and middle class families would have received tax credits to help them afford their ins payments. instead they are just paying penalties which are not enough to cover the costs of all the other older sick people. it would have been wise for the dems to support this plan.

Sorry, but you're dead wrong.

Trumpcare would have reduced the number of people who have healthcare...as well as continued the rise of ALL healthcare costs.

Just like car insurance that you 'don't need' because you don't file claims, there HAS to be a pool of those of us who will never file...for insurance to work.

"Encouraging" young people...is far from mandating it.

It still boils down to the basic political philosophy differences I outlined in my previous post...and you've shown nothing that disputes it.

Instead of parsing bits of Trumpcare, at least be honest enough to admit that you don't really care if all American citizens have healthcare...because if you did you wouldn't be saying what you're saying.

Is that so hard? :shrug:



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

[chachacha]

having health insurance and having health care are not the same thing...of course the ideal is for everyone to have insurance, but we always have had and always will have the safety net for those who can't afford it....even illegal immigrants receive health care at the expense of the US taxpayer! the goal is to have good health care! when doctors are not accepting either the insurance nor the medicaid, then we do not have good health CARE! and the same is true for when deductibles are so high that the insurance is basically useless.

[ColdNoMore]

having health insurance and having health care are not the same thing...
True...to a degree.

While they're not the same, having the insurance certainly allows a much better level of care.




of course the ideal is for everyone to have insurance, but we always have had and always will have the safety net for those who can't afford it....
Absolutely false.

What is this supposed 'safety net' of which you speak?

If you're talking about using the emergency room...then you are woefully ignorant of what EMTALA actually does.

Do you think you can go to the ER and get your chemo/radiation treatments for cancer on a schedule?

Do you think you can use the ER for wellness checkups, which are critical to ensuring that you can actually catch something early?

Have you ever heard of a woman getting a mammogram at an ER?

I could go on ad naseum, but you have been fed (and apparently believe) the lies from those who fit the description of the selfish, cold-hearted and black-hearted...I previously described.

In fact, these lies are being told for the sole purpose to try and make any decent Republicans feel better about opposing things like the ACA...or helping those less fortunate.

Because if they didn't believe that "ah heck, those people get health care anyway so why should I care"...then they would have OT admit to themselves that they truly are self-serving.

Which is why I asked above, why can't y'all just frigging admit it? :oops:



even illegal immigrants receive health care at the expense of the US taxpayer!
LOL

That's what I thought you were going to say, so I've already addressed it above.

BUT, if you are a decent human being then educate yourself and then if you feel the same way...at least have the honesty and decency to admit that you don't give a $hit about others.

And yes, there will be times when undocumented human beings slip past and get medical treatment...so what?

In fact, I've had people tell me that they would rather deny free ER care to legal American citizens...rather than let even ONE illegal get it.

How depraved does one have to be...to feel that way? :ohdear:

Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Labor_Act)





the goal is to have good health care! when doctors are not accepting either the insurance nor the medicaid, then we do not have good health CARE! and the same is true for when deductibles are so high that the insurance is basically useless.

Of course there are issues regarding the cost of care itself outside of the insurance, but let's first get all American citizens covered...so they have the ability to at least see a doctor.

Or are you going to finally admit...that you don't care about those people anyway?

I guarantee, there will be a handful of others here that will be piping in very soon and admitting that they don't give a $hit about other American citizens having health insurance...thereby proving me correct



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

[Don Baldwin]

Sorry, but you're dead wrong.

Trumpcare would have reduced the number of people who have healthcare...as well as continued the rise of ALL healthcare costs.

Just like car insurance that you 'don't need' because you don't file claims, there HAS to be a pool of those of us who will never file...for insurance to work.

"Encouraging" young people...is far from mandating it.

It still boils down to the basic political philosophy differences I outlined in my previous post...and you've shown nothing that disputes it.

Instead of parsing bits of Trumpcare, at least be honest enough to admit that you don't really care if all American citizens have healthcare...because if you did you wouldn't be saying what you're saying.

Is that so hard? :shrug:



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

But that's just it...there ISN'T the pool of people who never need it. Almost everyone has medical costs during their lifetime. The average is $1 million per person...960 $1,000 payments...80 years worth...and most of that is spent in the last year of life. For ANY system, we need "death panels" who determine justification. A 90 year old shouldn't get $ millions to keep him alive another few months. A very early preemie that will NEVER live a decent life, shouldn't be saved at ALL cost. We can't afford to do whatever it takes for everyone.

having health insurance and having health care are not the same thing...of course the ideal is for everyone to have insurance, but we always have had and always will have the safety net for those who can't afford it....even illegal immigrants receive health care at the expense of the US taxpayer! the goal is to have good health care! when doctors are not accepting either the insurance nor the medicaid, then we do not have good health CARE! and the same is true for when deductibles are so high that the insurance is basically useless.

If you want a $ million worth of healthcare during your life...it'll cost over $1,000 a month...per person. It's math, it's economics, it's what it costs.

[wjboyer1]

[/b]trump is not failing. Trump is sacrificing his time and effort for his country. How many of you liberals have ever done anything for your country.
and why don't you enlighten us what you have done for your country. How dare you make a general statement assuming because someone doesn't agree with you they haven't done anything for their country. You should be ashamed of yourself!

Saying he will never take a vacation while president but....
Taking vacation every week and costing us $millions.....not serving the country but getting bogus medical military deferments.....and taking a purple heart from a veteran who actually earned it

just want you to know that i was a paramedic/firefighter for 20 years, my son is a captain in the us army and we both see you, and the rest of the trumpsters as people who don't want our country to be the best it can be, and blame everyone else for your mistakes and stupidity.

[chachacha]

i don't know where to start with answering some of these posts....the safety net is medicaid. if you think illegals don't get health care, let me relate my experience at Tampa Gen Hospital when my LEGAL immigrant husband was dying and in a coma in intensive care for 16 days...the social worker asked me if he was here legally, and i of course told her all he went through to get here legally. her response? "Oh, that's too bad, because if he were here illegally there are government programs to pay for that." in addition, when my granddaughter was being treated for cancer at Denver Children's hospital, many if not the majority of the patients were from countries in latin america and i am sure they did not have the means to pay for this care. my daughter and her husband are still paying bills from their American child's life saving care which thank God was almost eight years ago and she is well. they are not complaining about paying these bills....they do not expect the govt to take care of them. and no one should.
as for the comments about ER not doing mammograms etc, it has been my experience that most states have programs for women who can't afford one or have no insurance.

[ColdNoMore]

i don't know where to start with answering some of these posts....the safety net is medicaid. if you think illegals don't get health care, let me relate my experience at Tampa Gen Hospital when my LEGAL immigrant husband was dying and in a coma in intensive care for 16 days...the social worker asked me if he was here legally, and i of course told her all he went through to get here legally. her response? "Oh, that's too bad, because if he were here illegally there are government programs to pay for that." in addition, when my granddaughter was being treated for cancer at Denver Children's hospital, many if not the majority of the patients were from countries in latin america and i am sure they did not have the means to pay for this care. my daughter and her husband are still paying bills from their American child's life saving care which thank God was almost eight years ago and she is well. they are not complaining about paying these bills....they do not expect the govt to take care of them. and no one should.
as for the comments about ER not doing mammograms etc, it has been my experience that most states have programs for women who can't afford one or have no insurance.

Anecdotal stories are a dime a dozen and anyone can say anything...without witnesses.

How about you do a little research and prove what this social worker supposedly told you about how undocumented immigrants can get hospital bills/health care covered...is actually true?

Like I said previously, under EMTALA, PUBLIC (NOT private) hospitals are obligated to stabilize all patients (regardless of citizenship status)...coming into the ER with acute/life threatening medical issues.

That doesn't however, cover cancer treatment, wellness checkups. mammograms or...chronic health issues.

In addition, the ACA does not legally allow undocumented workers health insurance either.

Illegal immigrants are covered under the health care law, chain email says | PolitiFact Florida (http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2013/jul/09/chain-email/illegal-immigrants-are-covered-under-health-care-l/)

The Affordable Care Act contains an individual mandate that requires individuals to purchase health insurance. It allows U.S. citizens and legal residents to purchase insurance on health insurance exchanges, often receiving tax credits.

But none of it applies to people who are here illegally. They don’t have to follow the mandate because they shouldn’t be here. They remain ineligible for regular Medicaid coverage, just as they are ineligible for food stamps. They cannot obtain coverage through state-based health insurance exchanges (thus, they are also ineligible for tax credits to offset the cost of getting that coverage).

Now, certain low-income illegal immigrants are eligible for emergency Medicaid coverage, including childbirth and surgery. And federal law requires hospitals not to turn away individuals for emergency treatment, even if they are uninsured (or undocumented), according to the National Immigration Law Center.

But those policies predate the Affordable Care Act.

"They don’t get health insurance, which is coverage, which is different than a hospital getting reimbursed for Medicaid," said Laura Goodhue, executive director of Florida Chain, a consumer health advocacy group.

Having said that, there are SOME localities that have chosen to give SOME care to undocumented immigrants...but it is NOT required under federal law.

But unlike what you (and many of the other selfish/cold-hearted righties) believe...those that are here illegally are NOT entitled to health care.

I'm sorry if the truth clashes with what you were told, and apparently believe, by those who have the attitude of... 'I got mine...screw you.'

Speaking of which, going back to one of my earlier posts....why don't you have the guts and honesty to just admit that's how you feel? :confused:



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

[dirtbanker]

There you go...(unt told chachacha she is a liar!

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[MDLNB]

Sorry, but you're dead wrong.

Trumpcare would have reduced the number of people who have healthcare...as well as continued the rise of ALL healthcare costs.

Just like car insurance that you 'don't need' because you don't file claims, there HAS to be a pool of those of us who will never file...for insurance to work.

"Encouraging" young people...is far from mandating it.

It still boils down to the basic political philosophy differences I outlined in my previous post...and you've shown nothing that disputes it.

Instead of parsing bits of Trumpcare, at least be honest enough to admit that you don't really care if all American citizens have healthcare...because if you did you wouldn't be saying what you're saying.

Is that so hard? :shrug:



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:


It's pretty obvious that you were too lazy to read the bill. Do you need instructions on how to download a PDF file?

[ColdNoMore]

There you go...(unt told chachacha she is a liar!

I simply call them...as I see them. ;)


I wonder what she thinks of the 'C' word...that you are so fond of? :ohdear:

[chachacha]

since i, chachacha, do not have the patience to even read this forum most days, i have no idea who the people are who apparently all know each other and have pet names for each other. it dismays me that some names are very hateful and some comments seem very ill informed and some downright racist. i doubt our country will be able to bridge the divide if we cannot even bridge it on this forum. i think the person who is disagreeing with me seems to be doing it in a polite manner with cheerful emoticons waving, etc... we disagree, but there is no need for bitterness and vitriol. am sure she or he loves this country as much as i do.

[wjboyer1]

See Also: Autistic Screeching.

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[wjboyer1]

Do you feel better now? I really hope you do. I am hearing entirely too many sirens recently. Perhaps the stress of so much grieving over Hillary's massacre.

Trump is not a one trick pony. He has been accomplishing a whole lot of good things in the last two months. No one ever claimed that he was undefeated, just a winner. Hope you are not betting against America, because it seems that you are betting against your president.


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[Reiver]

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My post was in reference to the exact same autistic screeching being posted on at least a dozen threads.
Sort of like your memes.

[dillywho]

I don't remember where I read it, but it was written somewhere that insurance and healthcare was much better before the federal government got involved. I, for one, think they are onto something.

Insurance companies, as I remember, did compete. I also remember being in the hospital and had to stay an extra day because the insurance would not pay anything before being hospitalized three (3) days or more. As for those with no insurance, they could make arrangements for payment.

In our town, routine care was done through the local Public Health Department of the State. They took care of the indigents who were without regular doctors. My mother, who was a local school nurse, got care for kids whose parents couldn't afford to have their own doctor. She did this through the various charitable organizations, such as the Lions Club, Shriners, even some of the doctors she knew personally, and some out of her own pocket, etc. Public Health even saw to it the kids received their required immunizations for school, etc., and that birth control was available. Mother's friend was the nurse at one of the Public Health Clinics. This nurse had a family in her care that had a new baby just about every year. The husband was disabled and not working. She approached them about getting the man a vasectomy. They said, "Oh no, the Church would not allow it." This nurse promptly marched herself over to the Church and told the priest that Public Health would continue to take care of the family, but that the Church would be responsible for ANY and ALL additions to the family. The man was granted permission for his vasectomy the next week.

This was also before doctors had to have all the high-dollar malpractice insurance because every Tom, Dick, and Harry decided suing doctors and hospitals was an easy way to make the big bucks. Very, very few lawsuits are because of actual malpractice.

Maybe a return to the old days would not be such a bad idea, after all. States (at least that's how it was in Texas) took care of their own who could not do it for themselves, and did it without all the so-called federal assistance and all their attachments/madates/and whatever else.

[Don Baldwin]

I don't remember where I read it, but it was written somewhere that insurance and healthcare was much better before the federal government got involved. I, for one, think they are onto something.

Insurance companies, as I remember, did compete. I also remember being in the hospital and had to stay an extra day because the insurance would not pay anything before being hospitalized three (3) days or more. As for those with no insurance, they could make arrangements for payment.

In our town, routine care was done through the local Public Health Department of the State. They took care of the indigents who were without regular doctors. My mother, who was a local school nurse, got care for kids whose parents couldn't afford to have their own doctor. She did this through the various charitable organizations, such as the Lions Club, Shriners, even some of the doctors she knew personally, and some out of her own pocket, etc. Public Health even saw to it the kids received their required immunizations for school, etc., and that birth control was available. Mother's friend was the nurse at one of the Public Health Clinics. This nurse had a family in her care that had a new baby just about every year. The husband was disabled and not working. She approached them about getting the man a vasectomy. They said, "Oh no, the Church would not allow it." This nurse promptly marched herself over to the Church and told the priest that Public Health would continue to take care of the family, but that the Church would be responsible for ANY and ALL additions to the family. The man was granted permission for his vasectomy the next week.

This was also before doctors had to have all the high-dollar malpractice insurance because every Tom, Dick, and Harry decided suing doctors and hospitals was an easy way to make the big bucks. Very, very few lawsuits are because of actual malpractice.

Maybe a return to the old days would not be such a bad idea, after all. States (at least that's how it was in Texas) took care of their own who could not do it for themselves, and did it without all the so-called federal assistance and all their attachments/madates/and whatever else.

That worked in the old days...now, there are just too many poor minorities to take care of. half the population gets something from the government. A third don't pull their own weight.

Would your system back then have worked if the indigent numbered 1/3 your town population? What if your town was half minorities, would it have worked then? That's what we're dealing with now.

[Sandtrap328]

[QUOTE=Doofus Don Baldwin-That worked in the old days...now, there are just too many poor minorities to take care of. half the population gets something from the government. A third don't pull their own weight.

Would your system back then have worked if the indigent numbered 1/3 your town population? What if your town was half minorities, would it have worked then? That's what we're dealing with now.[/QUOTE

Wouldn't it be interesting to know what Doofus Don Baldwin did for a living? And to know he hates women?

Wouldn't it be great to run his sorry butt out of the USA and.deport him to Haiti?

[MDLNB]

Would your system back then have worked if the indigent numbered 1/3 your town population? What if your town was half minorities, would it have worked then? That's what we're dealing with now.[/QUOTE

Wouldn't it be interesting to know what Doofus Don Baldwin did for a living? And to know he hates women?

Wouldn't it be great to run his sorry butt out of the USA and.deport him to Haiti?

Actually, as much as I deplore acting on racism/prejudice, I could get along with an honest Don better than I could get along with needy libtards that demand that everyone cater to their socialist tendencies of taking from the rich to distribute to themselves or the lazy. Don probably treats people better, even as a racist than hypocrites like the leftards on here.

I may not agree with Don, but I respect the fact that he argues with facts, unlike most of you leftards on here.

[dirtbanker]

QUOTE=Doofus Don Baldwin-That worked in the old days...now, there are just too many poor minorities to take care of. half the population gets something from the government. A third don't pull their own weight.

Would your system back then have worked if the indigent numbered 1/3 your town population? What if your town was half minorities, would it have worked then? That's what we're dealing with now.QUOTE

Wouldn't it be interesting to know what Doofus Don Baldwin did for a living? And to know he hates women?

Wouldn't it be great to run his sorry butt out of the USA and.deport him to Haiti?

Hey Sandy - are you letting Dimwitdave post for you??
Not only do you sound like him (insulting people's intelligence while making grammatical errors) you messed up on the quote feature...???

[ColdNoMore]

Actually, as much as I deplore acting on racism/prejudice, I could get along with an honest Don better than I could get along with needy libtards that demand that everyone cater to their socialist tendencies of taking from the rich to distribute to themselves or the lazy. Don probably treats people better, even as a racist than hypocrites like the leftards on here.

I may not agree with Don, but I respect the fact that he argues with facts, unlike most of you leftards on here.

You're lying again. :oops:

You absolutely agree with Racist Boy's hatred of minorities and his racism...you just couch it in vague support of his 'supposed facts.'

You do know don't you...that you're not fooling anyone? :ho:



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

[MDLNB]

You're lying again. :oops:

You absolutely agree with Racist Boy's hatred of minorities and his racism...you just couch it in vague support of his 'supposed facts.'

You do know don't you...that you're not fooling anyone? :ho:



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

Did lil' sissy wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? Go have mommie fix you up a nice hot bowl of Polenta, and a glass of milk. You'll feel better then. :icon_hungry:

[dirtbanker]

You're lying again.
You absolutely agree with Racist Boy's hatred of minorities and his racism...you just couch it in vague support of his 'supposed facts.'
You do know don't you...that you're not fooling anyone?
Deepest Sincere Wishes:

You have done no better with Don's facts...he has had "his foot on your neck" a few times and you just ran off like a little (unt...why don't you prove Don wrong, if you can't then I guess you agree with him and are a flaming racist?

[ColdNoMore]

You have done no better with Don's facts...he has had "his foot on your neck" a few times and you just ran off like a little (unt...why don't you prove Don wrong, if you can't then I guess you agree with him and are a flaming racist?

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I very seldom even bother completely reading Racist Boy's canned, cut/paste racist diatribes...as they're all the same.

The few I do respond to, is to very effectively...eviscerate his racism. :ho:

Only the ignorant (such as yourself)...agrees with him.

He actually thinks he's proving something, when he exhibits the traits that have actively led to blacks/minorities staying poor and subservient...then turns around and blames them for being poor. :ohdear:

That's a special kind of hatred and idiocy...that you two share. :oops:



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

[dillywho]

That worked in the old days...now, there are just too many poor minorities to take care of. half the population gets something from the government. A third don't pull their own weight.

Would your system back then have worked if the indigent numbered 1/3 your town population? What if your town was half minorities, would it have worked then? That's what we're dealing with now.

To answer your question, yes, I believe it would. The federal government was not in the private sector then like it is now. Insurance was not a part of the government, for instance. There were no mandates of what that insurance had to cover, no fines for not having it, no subsidies for buying it. We did have a major percentage of minorities, along with poor whites.

There were not lawyers on every corner jumping up and down wanting to file malpractice lawsuits, etc., either. Do the countless ads about if you had this procedure, that procedure, this medication, that medication, etc. ring a bell? People did not run to a lawyer every time something didn't get them the results they wanted. Only a small percentage are actual malpractice instances. Case in point: My husband had a stroke following surgery 15 years ago and lost his ability to converse. After we moved here, one lady said, "Boy, I bet you guys are fixed for life after that lawsuit!" NO. We knew the risk doing the surgery going in, but that his chances of a stroke without it were 100%. He just happened to be in that small percentage....luck of the draw. At least, he lived and probably wouldn't have without the surgery. That lady's mentality is part of what's wrong with medicine and medical costs today.

Maybe if the federal government would stick to the job originally designed for it and let the private sector do the same, the politicians wouldn't have politics as the very lucrative career that it is today.