Goodbye clean air and clean water

[Warren Kiefer]

Trump just signed an order that reduced the funding of the EPA by 25%. He also removed a lot of enviorment
regulations from big coal. We now have no guarantee that we will have clean water and a polluted nation !! How do you republican voters l
ike this ???

[Rockyrd]

Trump just signed an order that reduced the funding of the EPA by 25%. He also removed a lot of enviorment
regulations from big coal. We now have no guarantee that we will have clean water and a polluted nation !! How do you republican voters l
ike this ???

Let us just hope that the UNIVERSAL acceptance of need for environmental regulations is just dead wrong, and that President Trump is correct that it is simply a hoax from China.

[billethkid]

nothing more than removing a political BS special interest game.

No impact when implemented and same when eliminated.

[ColdNoMore]

Barron will one day, through the haze, be hacking and spitting...on his old man's grave. :ohdear:

[Reiver]

Barron will one day, through the haze, be hacking and spitting...on his old man's grave. :ohdear:

Which, under the now repealed regulations, would have made the grave a protected wetlands...

[maureenod]

Let us just hope that the UNIVERSAL acceptance of need for environmental regulations is just dead wrong, and that President Trump is correct that it is simply a hoax from China.

Trumps golf course in Ireland is falling into the sea. He has applied for permits to build a sea wall, reason given " global warming" .

[ColdNoMore]

Trumps golf course in Ireland is falling into the sea. He has applied for permits to build a sea wall, reason given " global warming" .

I know...right? :1rotfl:

The idiocy, hypocrisy and lies from this scumbag...is beyond the pale. :oops:


Climate Denier Donald Trump Seeks Sea Wall for Golf Course | Time.com (http://time.com/4345367/donald-trump-climate-change-golf-course/)

The Trump International Hotel in Ireland applied for a permit to build a seawall on its golf course to prevent erosion. Politico reports the permit application included an environmental-impact statement that explicitly said the wall would need to be built to combat “global warming and its effects.”


Now get busy in spinning that...you Trump cultists. :1rotfl:

[Reiver]

Spin what? The word "anthropogenic"?

[ColdNoMore]

Spin what? The word "anthropogenic"?
Nice fail. :thumbup:

Intelligent people already know it's just another word for..."selfish conservatives with heads up their a$$." :1rotfl:



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

[Reiver]

A study in the journal Nature Climate Change reviewed 117 climate predictions and found that 97.4% never materialized.
Is it even fair to call it climate “science” at that point?

[rubicon]

Trump is off to a good start but if he is to be effective he needs to address and update the findings on the 2009 endangerment findings which were predicated on the 2007 Fourth Assessment Report of UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change which was already outdated and not properly peer-reviewed as the federal government requires. there has been more than a decade of actual v model data which has noted a hiatus in global-warming since 1998 and a breakdown in the correlation between the world's average temperature and atmospheric carbon dioxide levels causing the UN to revise down its 2007 projection rate .

The EPA's data concerning the benefits of carbon reduction were 65% guesswork as Bracewell & Giuliani's , Scott Segal explained to congress at a 2015 . Obama rolled out these calculations with NO public comment and because the models never would have survived peer-review

Personal Best Regards:

[ColdNoMore]

A study in the journal Nature Climate Change reviewed 117 climate predictions and found that 97.4% never materialized.
Is it even fair to call it climate “science” at that point?

While it is true that it hasn't been proved beyond a doubt that we are contributing to climate change, the fact that so many scientists think we are...is worth taking notice.

The selfishness of denying it outright has grave consequences for future generations...and the fate of this rock.

Best case scenario is that regulations result in cleaner air and water for future generations.

Worst case is that we could have made a difference...but didn't even try.

And yes, I get the "well, China is a much worse polluter and they're not doing anything...so why should we?" argument.

That's analogous however to... "my neighbor doesn't spray for termites...so why should I?"

Pretty ignorant don't you think?



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

[Don Baldwin]

While it is true that it hasn't been proved beyond a doubt that we are contributing to climate change, the fact that so many scientists think we are...is worth taking notice.

The selfishness of denying it outright has grave consequences for future generations...and the fate of this rock.

Best case scenario is that regulations result in cleaner air and water for future generations.

Worst case is that we could have made a difference...but didn't even try.

And yes, I get the "well, China is a much worse polluter and they're not doing anything...so why should we?" argument.

That's analogous however to... "my neighbor doesn't spray for termites...so why should I?"

Pretty ignorant don't you think?



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

And "so many DON'T think we are"...you picked a side...some Jews picked a side too...and followed a guy names Jesus. Who was right? "many people" have opposite opinions.

The earth has been warming since the last ice age ended...BTW...THAT is the "great flood" in the Bible...they were close, they said it was 6,000 years ago..,going by the accuracy of reckoning in pre-historic...meaning pre-writing stuff down...they were pretty close.

Is man helping? Sure, nobody would deny that...but does it matter? Can we stop it? Who knows...nobody does. Warming makes more clouds that reflect more insolation, it may "fix" itself. There are always smaller cycles within larger cycles. We may be on the verge of the second "great flood"...of which there will be stories.

Lets take this phrase of yours and change the context:

"The selfishness of denying it outright has grave consequences for future generations...and the fate of this rock."

The thing that has REAL grave consequences? The minority majority. It is/will destroy this country and eventually the planet. 80% are ignorant and poor...living on less than $10 a day. America is already half minority and as the demographics has changed, so has America...from #1 to #25...ALL because of their increasing numbers and the things we've done because of it.

If you "get it" that China...AND everywhere else is "polluting" and causing global warming...address it, go after the WORST offenders. If you have 10 loans and you can pay off one...you pick the one with the highest interest rate first. Not the lowest.

[Warren Kiefer]

A study in the journal Nature Climate Change reviewed 117 climate predictions and found that 97.4% never materialized.
Is it even fair to call it climate “science” at that point?

How do you explain that all photos from space show both polar ice caps are melting at a faster and
faster rare.

[dirtbanker]

How do you explain that all photos from space show both polar ice caps are melting at a faster and
faster rare.
They have cameras on satellites that are in orbit around the earth. The pictures are transmitted via radio waves. I hope that explanation helps!



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[dirtbanker]

By the way the rockets that put the satellites in orbit emit a lot of smoke and chemicals...might be bad for the environment, but worth it to be able to see the ice caps melting.

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[Don Baldwin]

They have cameras on satellites that are in orbit around the earth. The pictures are transmitted via radio waves. I hope that explanation helps!



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Ooooh...you're funny.

"Out of the entire atmospheric makeup, only one to two percent is made up of greenhouse gases with the majority being nitrogen (about 78 percent) and oxygen (about 21 percent). Of that two percent, “planet-killing” carbon dioxide comprises only 3.62 percent while water vapor encompasses 95 percent.Mar 27, 2009"

what percent of greenhouse gases are natural - Google Search (https://www.google.com/search?q=what+percent+of+greenhouse+gases+are+natu ral&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8)

"How much carbon dioxide is in the atmosphere?

Carbon dioxide (CO2) is an important trace gas in Earth's atmosphere currently constituting about 0.04%, i.e. 400 parts per million (ppm), of the atmosphere."

CO2 is insignificant. They're ALL insignificant compared to water vapor.

Inclination and orbital fluctuations do more...variations in solar output, insolation do much more...than CO2.

But go ahead...INSIST that CO2 drives global warming...h3ll...you believe in racial equality...an invisible man in space...the Florian aquifer is running out of water...You'll believe just about anything.

[Don Baldwin]

By the way the rockets that put the satellites in orbit emit a lot of smoke and chemicals...might be bad for the environment, but worth it to be able to see the ice caps melting.

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Liquid propelled rocket engines:

"The main engines burn liquid hydrogen -- the second coldest liquid on Earth at minus 423 degrees Fahrenheit (minus 252.8 degrees Celsius) -- and liquid oxygen.

The engines' exhaust is primarily water vapor as the hydrogen and oxygen combine."

"Currently the U.S., European, and Indian governments power their rockets with a mix of liquid and solid fuels, which generally take the form of powder or crystals. Russia and China use liquid fuels almost exclusively. "

""What we have shown in the Astropolitics paper is that the rockets of the future will use liquid propellants and that they will fly ten or one hundred times more often than today's rockets," he continued. "

Rocket Launches Damage Ozone Layer, Study Says (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/04/090414-rockets-ozone.html)

I wouldn't worry about it...

[Reiver]

OMG. it's the hottest it's been in 600 years!!

https://globalfreezingyourassoff.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/climate-timeline-10000yrs.png

[Reiver]

Long Term Plans for Planet Earth:
50,000 years from now - The current interglacial period ends sending the Earth back into a glacial period of the current ice age, regardless of the effects of anthropogenic global warming.
800 million years from now - Carbon dioxide levels fall to the point at which C4 photosynthesis is no longer possible. Free oxygen and ozone disappear from the atmosphere. Multicellular life dies out.

Timeline of the far future - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_far_future)

[rubicon]

Cashing in on Armageddon has been profitable since biblical times .

Its one thing to "not to toss caution to the winds" its quite another to be caught up in "chicken little scams" and that is the real inconvenient truth here.

Obama climate change agenda to clean the air will cost billions. Yet China will put more carbon in the air in the next 3 days then Obama's carbon containment to run to to 2025.

Personal Best Regards:

[MDLNB]

They have cameras on satellites that are in orbit around the earth. The pictures are transmitted via radio waves. I hope that explanation helps!



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:BigApplause:

[Warren Kiefer]

Cashing in on Armageddon has been profitable since biblical times .

Its one thing to "not to toss caution to the winds" its quite another to be caught up in "chicken little scams" and that is the real inconvenient truth here.

Obama climate change agenda to clean the air will cost billions. Yet China will put more carbon in the air in the next 3 days then Obama's carbon containment to run to to 2025.

Personal Best Regards:

OK Now pay attention !!! China and 20 other countries have joined together to combat space pollution !!!

[Don Baldwin]

OK Now pay attention !!! China and 20 other countries have joined together to combat space pollution !!!

Space Debris and Human Spacecraft | NASA (https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/news/orbital_debris.html)

"There are more than 20,000 pieces of debris larger than a softball orbiting the Earth. They travel at speeds up to 17,500 mph, fast enough for a relatively small piece of orbital debris to damage a satellite or a spacecraft. There are 500,000 pieces of debris the size of a marble or larger. There are many millions of pieces of debris that are so small they can’t be tracked.

Even tiny paint flecks can damage a spacecraft when traveling at these velocities. In fact a number of space shuttle windows have been replaced because of damage caused by material that was analyzed and shown to be paint flecks.

In 1996, a French satellite was hit and damaged by debris from a French rocket that had exploded a decade earlier.

On Feb. 10, 2009, a defunct Russian satellite collided with and destroyed a functioning U.S. Iridium commercial satellite. The collision added more than 2,000 pieces of trackable debris to the inventory of space junk.

China's 2007 anti-satellite test, which used a missile to destroy an old weather satellite, added more than 3,000 pieces to the debris problem."

[MDLNB]

Space Debris and Human Spacecraft | NASA (https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/news/orbital_debris.html)

"There are more than 20,000 pieces of debris larger than a softball orbiting the Earth. They travel at speeds up to 17,500 mph, fast enough for a relatively small piece of orbital debris to damage a satellite or a spacecraft. There are 500,000 pieces of debris the size of a marble or larger. There are many millions of pieces of debris that are so small they can’t be tracked.

Even tiny paint flecks can damage a spacecraft when traveling at these velocities. In fact a number of space shuttle windows have been replaced because of damage caused by material that was analyzed and shown to be paint flecks.

In 1996, a French satellite was hit and damaged by debris from a French rocket that had exploded a decade earlier.

On Feb. 10, 2009, a defunct Russian satellite collided with and destroyed a functioning U.S. Iridium commercial satellite. The collision added more than 2,000 pieces of trackable debris to the inventory of space junk.

China's 2007 anti-satellite test, which used a missile to destroy an old weather satellite, added more than 3,000 pieces to the debris problem."



Moral of the story, stay down to earth.

[Reiver]

I wouldn't worry about space junk.
Any day now, space aliens will arrive and the Democrats will hire them at minimum wage to clean the orbital paths around earth.
This will allow the Democrats to feel smug on a whole new level.

In other unrelated news, billions of taxpayer dollars will be spent to repair the International Space Station after it was found jacked up on cinderblocks with the wheels missing.

[Don Baldwin]

I wouldn't worry about space junk.
Any day now, space aliens will arrive and the Democrats will hire them at minimum wage to clean the orbital paths around earth.
This will allow the Democrats to feel smug on a whole new level.

In other unrelated news, billions of taxpayer dollars will be spent to repair the International Space Station after it was found jacked up on cinderblocks with the wheels missing.

Maybe they'll work for food? Serving Man... We have billions we could do without...