Rumor-Mongering By Progressives Is Non-Productive Work

[rubicon]

Rep Schiff offers little in substance but provides for high drama displaying his ability to flim flam the public.

Schiff feigns indignation about Devin Nunes methods but he knows Nunes was doing his job, and he well knows Nunes spent years cultivating whistleblowers and sources as a part of his oversight responsibilities otherwise such information would remain hidden.

All this drama to deep six the important information Nunes uncovered wherein Obama surveilled the incoming administration on subjects that had nothing to do with Russia and unmasked transition officials. This is a crime.

the documents shown Nunes at a secured facility revealed:

dozens of documents with information about Trump officials,

these documents were NOT related to Russia

clearly what Trump officials were unmasked (identified)

In other words Obama was spying broadly on the incoming administration

Schiff also misrepresents Nunes meeting place. Schiff knows
congress members MUST VIEW classified materials on executive-branch grounds because that's the only way to physically access it

Finally, as to the allegation that Nunes secretively wanted to tip off the White House consider Nunes

has an obligation to let the White House know as he couldn't sit on it,

activity by democrats prevented him from going there because they would have leaked it and twisted this story their modus operandi since Trump entered the race.

Nunes held press briefings before and after his meeting with Trump to be transparent.

if Nunes only purposed was to "tip off"Trump about a Russia probe he cold have easily and secretly called Steve Bannon from his office

Schiff is wasting taxpayers money.

Personal Best Regards:

[Rockyrd]

Rep Schiff offers little in substance but provides for high drama displaying his ability to flim flam the public.

Schiff feigns indignation about Devin Nunes methods but he knows Nunes was doing his job, and he well knows Nunes spent years cultivating whistleblowers and sources as a part of his oversight responsibilities otherwise such information would remain hidden.

All this drama to deep six the important information Nunes uncovered wherein Obama surveilled the incoming administration on subjects that had nothing to do with Russia and unmasked transition officials. This is a crime.

the documents shown Nunes at a secured facility revealed:

dozens of documents with information about Trump officials,

these documents were NOT related to Russia

clearly what Trump officials were unmasked (identified)

In other words Obama was spying broadly on the incoming administration

Schiff also misrepresents Nunes meeting place. Schiff knows
congress members MUST VIEW classified materials on executive-branch grounds because that's the only way to physically access it

Finally, as to the allegation that Nunes secretively wanted to tip off the White House consider Nunes

has an obligation to let the White House know as he couldn't sit on it,

activity by democrats prevented him from going there because they would have leaked it and twisted this story their modus operandi since Trump entered the race.

Nunes held press briefings before and after his meeting with Trump to be transparent.

if Nunes only purposed was to "tip off"Trump about a Russia probe he cold have easily and secretly called Steve Bannon from his office

Schiff is wasting taxpayers money.

Personal Best Regards:

I will say this in the nicest possible way, because your post is total garbage and appears to have come from that binder on Sean Spicer's podium.

Please get you facts and stop embarrassing yourself with posts like this.

You are now in a FACT FREE ZONE....or an alternate universe.
...the only thing you left out from the various Trump sites was Evelyn Farkas.

YOU KNOW NO FACTS WHATSOVER. Nor do I. I just am not as "taken" with myself or Donald Trump. I offer what might be happening andnyou actuallyncome on TOTV and present us with the White House version in "sermon" form.

It IS embarrassing to see people totally ignore facts at hand

Hate to say it, but your post is incorrect, incomplete, and very ill informed.

My response is not to condemn Trump....do not know enough, but you are not even in the ballpark.

Did you miss the part about WHY the documents mentioned Trump, and why they even existed ? Try looking into that.

Also as serious as unmasking can be...what you leaders are not telling you is how normal the practice it is, and under what circumstances there were.

You did a worse job than Spicer.

I do need to be clear. Unmasking under certain circumstances is terrible. It appears that the unmasking took place from surveillance of Russians who mentioned Trump, or his aides in conversation. I, obviously, do not know for sure, but it appears that was the case. One example, and I'm making this up. Intelligence officials while wire tapping hear information mentioning candidate Trump, mask the reference at that point. That done prior to investigations involving Russia. Seems plausible, once the story unwinds that Trumps name should be unmasked to determine what we are dealing with. Again, I am making that all up, but something like that would fit with the story of Comey coming to,Obama with either the mask on or off and then Obama feels if the fact of Russia interfering were released, it WOULD influence the election so insures it is not public.

I don't know, but you are on the Trump train...talk about unmasking and ignore Russian ties, etc.

Honestly, at this point. I do not believe Trump directly colluded with Russia. He is scared that people will find out how reckless and immature he is with the charge of wiretap, and how he was played by the Russians, that this is his coverup. Thus far, Nukes has lied, Spicer has lied for him. You didn't even mention the Farkas incident which may play big...either an American hero or traitor. Once the hearings can get on we shall see.

Just know that your post is what Trump wants....diversion...talk about unmasking. I would ask you to review some of the open testimony thus far, which details the ease in which Trump was played by Russia.

[Reiver]

Schiff is wasting taxpayers money.


It's not wasted. It will gain the Liberals more votes as they continue to misinterpret everything.

[dave harris]

Rep Schiff offers little in substance but provides for high drama displaying his ability to flim flam the public.

Schiff feigns indignation about Devin Nunes methods but he knows Nunes was doing his job, and he well knows Nunes spent years cultivating whistleblowers and sources as a part of his oversight responsibilities otherwise such information would remain hidden.

All this drama to deep six the important information Nunes uncovered wherein Obama surveilled the incoming administration on subjects that had nothing to do with Russia and unmasked transition officials. This is a crime.

the documents shown Nunes at a secured facility revealed:

dozens of documents with information about Trump officials,

these documents were NOT related to Russia

clearly what Trump officials were unmasked (identified)

In other words Obama was spying broadly on the incoming administration

Schiff also misrepresents Nunes meeting place. Schiff knows
congress members MUST VIEW classified materials on executive-branch grounds because that's the only way to physically access it

Finally, as to the allegation that Nunes secretively wanted to tip off the White House consider Nunes

has an obligation to let the White House know as he couldn't sit on it,

activity by democrats prevented him from going there because they would have leaked it and twisted this story their modus operandi since Trump entered the race.

Nunes held press briefings before and after his meeting with Trump to be transparent.

if Nunes only purposed was to "tip off"Trump about a Russia probe he cold have easily and secretly called Steve Bannon from his office

Schiff is wasting taxpayers money.

Personal Best Regards:

trumpster's code of ethics "you lie and i'll swear to it"

[ColdNoMore]

Rep Schiff offers little in substance but provides for high drama displaying his ability to flim flam the public.

Schiff feigns indignation about Devin Nunes methods but he knows Nunes was doing his job, and he well knows Nunes spent years cultivating whistleblowers and sources as a part of his oversight responsibilities otherwise such information would remain hidden.

All this drama to deep six the important information Nunes uncovered wherein Obama surveilled the incoming administration on subjects that had nothing to do with Russia and unmasked transition officials. This is a crime.

the documents shown Nunes at a secured facility revealed:

dozens of documents with information about Trump officials,

these documents were NOT related to Russia

clearly what Trump officials were unmasked (identified)

In other words Obama was spying broadly on the incoming administration

Schiff also misrepresents Nunes meeting place. Schiff knows
congress members MUST VIEW classified materials on executive-branch grounds because that's the only way to physically access it

Finally, as to the allegation that Nunes secretively wanted to tip off the White House consider Nunes

has an obligation to let the White House know as he couldn't sit on it,

activity by democrats prevented him from going there because they would have leaked it and twisted this story their modus operandi since Trump entered the race.

Nunes held press briefings before and after his meeting with Trump to be transparent.

if Nunes only purposed was to "tip off"Trump about a Russia probe he cold have easily and secretly called Steve Bannon from his office

Schiff is wasting taxpayers money.

Personal Best Regards:

:1rotfl:

Of course Trump cultists would love for this to go away quietly, but sorry...it won't. ;)

"The house is on fire, Trump is running around with a box of matches, and the GOP demands to know who called the fire department." ... Garry Kasparov

Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

[Rockyrd]

Rubicon, based in thinking you may come back to this thread, AND since I responded, I address it to you.

I think as I read and watch this evening, I take back my premise that Trump did not assist the Russians, not that I am accusing anyone because all of us are deeply uninformed.

And, please read...you blame "progressives" for absolutely everything, but cracks beginning to show.

[Rockyrd]

This is new this evening, and boy it is just drip drip drip.

And please do not even try to blame what you call "progressives"....this is becoming across the board. I am hearing some things I don't want to share. I think the source is good...I just don't KNOW the source.

"CBS News has learned that U.S. investigators are looking into whether Trump campaign representatives had a role in helping Russian intelligence as it carried out cyberattacks on the Democratic National Committee and other political targets in March 2016.

This new information suggests that the FBI is going back further than originally reported to determine the extent of possible coordination. Sources say investigators are probing whether an individual or individuals connected to the campaign intentionally or unwittingly helped the Russians breach Democratic Party targets.

In March 2016, both Mr. Trump and Hillary Clinton had emerged as their parties’ most likely nominees.

What we know in the FBI probe of Trump campaign’s Russia ties
According to a declassified intelligence assessment, it was in March when Russian hackers “began cyber operations aimed at the U.S. election.” In May, U.S. officials say the Russians had stolen “large volumes of data from the DNC.”

FBI probing whether Trump aides helped Russian intel in early 2016 - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-probing-whether-trump-aides-helped-russian-intel-in-early-2016/)

[Reiver]

:1rotfl:

Of course Trump cultists would love for this to go away quietly, but sorry...it won't. ;)

"The house is on fire, Trump is running around with a box of matches, and the GOP demands to know who called the fire department." ... Garry Kasparov

Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

Woah.... deja vu

[rubicon]

The post came from a WSJ article written by Kimberly Strassel.
I shared it only to illustrate that a lot of spin and hot wind turns and blows in Washington DC. Strassel is a savvy journalist

Frankly I am sick with the lot of them. This madness is not what we elected them to do.

What I want to happen is for them to cut to the chase. I don't know who is telling the truth. I suspect none of them. Russia and our other enemies have to be having a real belly laugh.

what has been most damaging is a belief in our intelligence community because no matter how you spin it they are using the same spying and propaganda techniques on American citizens as they do with our enemies and they are unmasking Americans and creating intentional leaks

I really don't care about Trump, Nunes, Obama Schiff I care about the damage their political shenanigans are creating for this nation

Obama is the outgoing president. Hillary is the defeated presidential candidate. if they loved and cared for this nation why would they
continue to promote resist, insist, persist and enlist? Occam's Razor would point to their P*****. Why are not cooler heads prevailing. Obama's and Clinton's actions do not bode well for their party

Finally I don't have to be right. I just want our elected leaders to do the right things and get this nation back on course

Personal Best Regards:

[MDLNB]

:1rotfl:

Of course Trump cultists would love for this to go away quietly, but sorry...it won't. ;)

"The house is on fire, Trump is running around with a box of matches, and the GOP demands to know who called the fire department." ... Garry Kasparov

Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

And yet, when someone brings up the multiple felonies that Hillary has perpetrated, you are the one that wishes it to "go away." Guess that makes you the hypocrite.

You may wish that this DOES go away, if it turns out that Trump was once again right when he suggested that Obama's administration was surveilling him. And now, it seems there is possible evidence indicating this to be correct.
So, the left will try to use slight of hand by suggesting that Russia is the ONLY important issue.

The left screams The Russians are coming, The Russians are coming!

News flash, the Russians have been hacking and spying on us for a very long time. So have we, them. We have listening posts set up on borders, spy satellites and spy planes that are spying on Russia 24/7. And before you start crying about election interference, there has been no evidence that they were able to influence or alter the results of our election. On the other hand, Obama attempted to alter or interfere with Israel's election. Obama gave $350K to the opposition party candidate in Israel's election. Why are you not concerned about that? Never mind, I should know better than to ask. There will be no discussion forthcoming from the likes of you. Never is.

[Cedwards38]

Rep Schiff offers little in substance but provides for high drama displaying his ability to flim flam the public.

Schiff feigns indignation about Devin Nunes methods but he knows Nunes was doing his job, and he well knows Nunes spent years cultivating whistleblowers and sources as a part of his oversight responsibilities otherwise such information would remain hidden.

All this drama to deep six the important information Nunes uncovered wherein Obama surveilled the incoming administration on subjects that had nothing to do with Russia and unmasked transition officials. This is a crime.

the documents shown Nunes at a secured facility revealed:

dozens of documents with information about Trump officials,

these documents were NOT related to Russia

clearly what Trump officials were unmasked (identified)

In other words Obama was spying broadly on the incoming administration

Schiff also misrepresents Nunes meeting place. Schiff knows
congress members MUST VIEW classified materials on executive-branch grounds because that's the only way to physically access it

Finally, as to the allegation that Nunes secretively wanted to tip off the White House consider Nunes

has an obligation to let the White House know as he couldn't sit on it,

activity by democrats prevented him from going there because they would have leaked it and twisted this story their modus operandi since Trump entered the race.

Nunes held press briefings before and after his meeting with Trump to be transparent.

if Nunes only purposed was to "tip off"Trump about a Russia probe he cold have easily and secretly called Steve Bannon from his office

Schiff is wasting taxpayers money.

Personal Best Regards:

Hello Pot. This is Kettle speaking. Are you serious?
The American Conservatives are the masters of fake news, deceit, and partisan misstatements (lies). FOX News, Breitbart just to name a couple.

[ColdNoMore]

And yet, when someone brings up the multiple felonies that Hillary has perpetrated, you are the one that wishes it to "go away." Guess that makes you the hypocrite.

You may wish that this DOES go away, if it turns out that Trump was once again right when he suggested that Obama's administration was surveilling him. And now, it seems there is possible evidence indicating this to be correct.
So, the left will try to use slight of hand by suggesting that Russia is the ONLY important issue.

The left screams The Russians are coming, The Russians are coming!

News flash, the Russians have been hacking and spying on us for a very long time. So have we, them. We have listening posts set up on borders, spy satellites and spy planes that are spying on Russia 24/7. And before you start crying about election interference, there has been no evidence that they were able to influence or alter the results of our election. On the other hand, Obama attempted to alter or interfere with Israel's election. Obama gave $350K to the opposition party candidate in Israel's election. Why are you not concerned about that? Never mind, I should know better than to ask. There will be no discussion forthcoming from the likes of you. Never is.

And which "felonies" would those be?

The ones where millions of dollars have been spent on investigiations, without a single indictment...much less a conviction? :oops:

That you deflect to anything other than what the current POTUS has done/is doing...screams blind partisanship.

That you don't care if Chump and/or his cronies helped Putin get him elected, because Putin feared Clinton and knew she is smart & strong enough to not knuckle under to his bullying...pretty much says it all. :ho:

Not to even mention the 'potential' blackmail material that Putin has on Chump...that he doesn't have on Clinton. ;)

Your simplistic mind and blind support can be summed up by the slogan 'lock her up,' which gives credence to and proves the fact that you hated Clinton...more than you love this great nation. :ohdear:

But hey, continue to extol the virtues of the biggest scumbag to ever sit in the Oval Office...as it is an excellent insight into your own lack of integrity/ethics/morals. :thumbup:



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

[ColdNoMore]

Hello Pot. This is Kettle speaking. Are you serious?

The American Conservatives are the masters of fake news, deceit, and partisan misstatements (lies). FOX News, Breitbart just to name a couple.

I've come to the sad conclusion that he isn't smart enough...to comprehend what you're saying. :ohdear:

[Taltarzac725]

And yet, when someone brings up the multiple felonies that Hillary has perpetrated, you are the one that wishes it to "go away." Guess that makes you the hypocrite.

You may wish that this DOES go away, if it turns out that Trump was once again right when he suggested that Obama's administration was surveilling him. And now, it seems there is possible evidence indicating this to be correct.
So, the left will try to use slight of hand by suggesting that Russia is the ONLY important issue.

The left screams The Russians are coming, The Russians are coming!

News flash, the Russians have been hacking and spying on us for a very long time. So have we, them. We have listening posts set up on borders, spy satellites and spy planes that are spying on Russia 24/7. And before you start crying about election interference, there has been no evidence that they were able to influence or alter the results of our election. On the other hand, Obama attempted to alter or interfere with Israel's election. Obama gave $350K to the opposition party candidate in Israel's election. Why are you not concerned about that? Never mind, I should know better than to ask. There will be no discussion forthcoming from the likes of you. Never is.

A felony usually means someone has been convicted. Hillary Clinton has been convicted of nothing.

How about that $25 Million Settlement against Trump University? Trump University settlement approved - Mar. 31, 2017 (http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/31/news/trump-university-settlement/)

[Rockyrd]

The post came from a WSJ article written by Kimberly Strassel.
I shared it only to illustrate that a lot of spin and hot wind turns and blows in Washington DC. Strassel is a savvy journalist

Frankly I am sick with the lot of them. This madness is not what we elected them to do.

What I want to happen is for them to cut to the chase. I don't know who is telling the truth. I suspect none of them. Russia and our other enemies have to be having a real belly laugh.

what has been most damaging is a belief in our intelligence community because no matter how you spin it they are using the same spying and propaganda techniques on American citizens as they do with our enemies and they are unmasking Americans and creating intentional leaks

I really don't care about Trump, Nunes, Obama Schiff I care about the damage their political shenanigans are creating for this nation

Obama is the outgoing president. Hillary is the defeated presidential candidate. if they loved and cared for this nation why would they
continue to promote resist, insist, persist and enlist? Occam's Razor would point to their P*****. Why are not cooler heads prevailing. Obama's and Clinton's actions do not bode well for their party

Finally I don't have to be right. I just want our elected leaders to do the right things and get this nation back on course

Personal Best Regards:

Rubicon

You express "I am sick with the lot of them. This madness is not what we elected them to do." YET you fail even once to criticize the man behind all of what is going on in Washington today. ONE MAN has caused all this....President Trump, without his constant chants and accusation and lies...NONE OF THIS is happening...NONE OF IT.
Without him, we would be talking about issues and things of importance.

But because of his attack on our very presidency we are not. We are watching his cover up of something.


YET, you insist on supporting this. And have some sort of need to blame all he PERSONALLY has caused on groups that had NOTHING to do with his actions.

I respect differences of opinion on policy, but cannot accept the continued support of ONE MANS ACTIONS that are tearing this country apart.

If he is ever found innocent of all of this, I will be the first to come on here or anywhere and apologize but I think both you and I know that has a very low probability of ever happening.

You want "them" to "cut to the chase" yet never ever comment on the delays and coverup that is obvious. We all know that "unmasking" might be an issue, but it is might be because we do not know anything and we also know that is secondary to the intent of the investigation, YET you support that coverup and then complain they need to "cut to the chase". This is not an easy thing to investigate and it will take time.....BUT remember, this is the fault and only occurred because of ONE SINGLE MAN nobody else. This man has thrown roadblock after roadblock at all of this, from alleging a rigged election to accusations of fraud in voting to an ex President wire tapping...YET, your undying support continues unabated.

You continue in your post to attack Clinton and Obama and that is your right, but what has that to do with what is happening in our country today..NOTHING WHATSOVER.....ONE MAN AND ONE MAN ONLY HAS CAUSED ALL OF THIS None of this is happening without Trump actions....EVERYTHING is a reaction to him and nobody else. YET you never suspect the Trump/Bannon team of anything nor have any criticism of either, EVEN THOUGH THE TWO OF THEM ARE THE AUTHORS OF MOST CONSPIRACY THEORIES IN WASHINGTON FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS.

I offer to you that had Trump not been elected, we may have some policy discussions but we would not be mired in this..and that can be shown, BUT you refuse to accept that in anyway shape or form. As long as he is in office, this will be ongoing, not because of any "progressive" movement or the media, BUT BECAUSE OF HIS ACTIONS....why can you not even see that?

I offer to you that you seem filled with hate...I mean that. You espouse all the good things but your words say something else. You support openly a man who everyone said would make this happen....he IS and always has been a liar....he IS and always will be involved in some kind of scandal. Why would he change in his 70th year.

See, this is why you are viewed as a huge hypocrite. You speak in support of an evil man and proclaim being for goodness. You speak in support of our country, but espouse hatred instead of understanding. And worse of all, you do this in a manner as to preach to all of us "dumb folks"

I have no idea what your hero did or didn't do. I do know he is slowly destroying the presidency and with it a lot of the country. and he does it while flaunting that people like you still support him despite what he says or does. That is a shame.

You and he (Trump) speak often of "fake news" yet in the hearings and testimony, the Russians really made use of TRUMPS AFFINITY FOR BELIEVING FAKE NEWS and reacting to it. His affinity for false conspiracy theories and how they used that on him. Is it that you simply do not know about this testimony and facts or just ignore it ? You seem to be in the same mode as him......believe that some other group..in your case progressives...are the root of all evil and responsible for all, when in fact....the hard right wingers simply LOVE AND EMBRACE FAKE NEWS AND CONSPIRACY THEORIES. President Trump has fallen under the spell of Steve Bannon which was not difficult since he has always....heck remember the Central Park Five in the late 80's or even closer to home the entire fiasco of pushing a birth certificate conspiracy for years and developing a following from that very false conspiracy.

A movement based on a lie and continued lies is not what this country is about or should be about. The media did not manufacture Trump's lies, they simply reported them.

This is not support for the progressive liberal movement at all. It is simply my way of expressing disbelief in how you can say you are for anything anymore.

NOTHING happening in Washington at present is anyones fault buT one single solitary man....a man you continue to endorse and defend, so PLEASE NO MORE LECTURES ON WHOLESOMENESS OR GOODNESS, FAKE NEWS OR LYING. YOU HAVE LOST THAT RIGHT, IN MY OPINION.

[MDLNB]

A felony usually means some has been convicted. Hillary Clinton has been convicted of nothing.

How about that $25 Million Settlement against Trump University? Trump University settlement approved - Mar. 31, 2017 (http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/31/news/trump-university-settlement/)

Try using the "edit" button rainman. A felony is NOT someone. A felony is a major unlawful violation. Yes, I paraphrased, so get over it.

Hillary is a FELON, that has not been convicted YET. If that does not clear it up for you, then she is a CRIMINAL that has not been convicted yet.

Anyone with any sense at all, and knows anything about IT and the Government and how classified material is handled, KNOWS she broke several laws. If you do not believe this, then you are a fool and you probably do not believe there is any corruption in the government.

Hillary is the scumbag that you keep erroneously labeling Trump as. Hillary should be convicted of treason and executed before she poisons any more retarded liberals.

[rubicon]

Rubicon

You express "I am sick with the lot of them. This madness is not what we elected them to do." YET you fail even once to criticize the man behind all of what is going on in Washington today. ONE MAN has caused all this....President Trump, without his constant chants and accusation and lies...NONE OF THIS is happening...NONE OF IT.
Without him, we would be talking about issues and things of importance.

But because of his attack on our very presidency we are not. We are watching his cover up of something.


YET, you insist on supporting this. And have some sort of need to blame all he PERSONALLY has caused on groups that had NOTHING to do with his actions.

I respect differences of opinion on policy, but cannot accept the continued support of ONE MANS ACTIONS that are tearing this country apart.

If he is ever found innocent of all of this, I will be the first to come on here or anywhere and apologize but I think both you and I know that has a very low probability of ever happening.

You want "them" to "cut to the chase" yet never ever comment on the delays and coverup that is obvious. We all know that "unmasking" might be an issue, but it is might be because we do not know anything and we also know that is secondary to the intent of the investigation, YET you support that coverup and then complain they need to "cut to the chase". This is not an easy thing to investigate and it will take time.....BUT remember, this is the fault and only occurred because of ONE SINGLE MAN nobody else. This man has thrown roadblock after roadblock at all of this, from alleging a rigged election to accusations of fraud in voting to an ex President wire tapping...YET, your undying support continues unabated.

You continue in your post to attack Clinton and Obama and that is your right, but what has that to do with what is happening in our country today..NOTHING WHATSOVER.....ONE MAN AND ONE MAN ONLY HAS CAUSED ALL OF THIS None of this is happening without Trump actions....EVERYTHING is a reaction to him and nobody else. YET you never suspect the Trump/Bannon team of anything nor have any criticism of either, EVEN THOUGH THE TWO OF THEM ARE THE AUTHORS OF MOST CONSPIRACY THEORIES IN WASHINGTON FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS.

I offer to you that had Trump not been elected, we may have some policy discussions but we would not be mired in this..and that can be shown, BUT you refuse to accept that in anyway shape or form. As long as he is in office, this will be ongoing, not because of any "progressive" movement or the media, BUT BECAUSE OF HIS ACTIONS....why can you not even see that?

I offer to you that you seem filled with hate...I mean that. You espouse all the good things but your words say something else. You support openly a man who everyone said would make this happen....he IS and always has been a liar....he IS and always will be involved in some kind of scandal. Why would he change in his 70th year.

See, this is why you are viewed as a huge hypocrite. You speak in support of an evil man and proclaim being for goodness. You speak in support of our country, but espouse hatred instead of understanding. And worse of all, you do this in a manner as to preach to all of us "dumb folks"

I have no idea what your hero did or didn't do. I do know he is slowly destroying the presidency and with it a lot of the country. and he does it while flaunting that people like you still support him despite what he says or does. That is a shame.

You and he (Trump) speak often of "fake news" yet in the hearings and testimony, the Russians really made use of TRUMPS AFFINITY FOR BELIEVING FAKE NEWS and reacting to it. His affinity for false conspiracy theories and how they used that on him. Is it that you simply do not know about this testimony and facts or just ignore it ? You seem to be in the same mode as him......believe that some other group..in your case progressives...are the root of all evil and responsible for all, when in fact....the hard right wingers simply LOVE AND EMBRACE FAKE NEWS AND CONSPIRACY THEORIES. President Trump has fallen under the spell of Steve Bannon which was not difficult since he has always....heck remember the Central Park Five in the late 80's or even closer to home the entire fiasco of pushing a birth certificate conspiracy for years and developing a following from that very false conspiracy.

A movement based on a lie and continued lies is not what this country is about or should be about. The media did not manufacture Trump's lies, they simply reported them.

This is not support for the progressive liberal movement at all. It is simply my way of expressing disbelief in how you can say you are for anything anymore.

NOTHING happening in Washington at present is anyones fault buT one single solitary man....a man you continue to endorse and defend, so PLEASE NO MORE LECTURES ON WHOLESOMENESS OR GOODNESS, FAKE NEWS OR LYING. YOU HAVE LOST THAT RIGHT, IN MY OPINION.

First, let me acknowledge and thank you for a very well thought and civil post.

I have not supported Trump's actions and have on other threads expressed my disappointment that he can't seem to control his emotions. On the other hand if you go back to my post you will see a reference where both Obama and Clinton, whom in my opinion should be demanding their party remain civil and make a good faith effort to work with the incoming administration. but instead they make it clear they want their party to resist, insist, persist and enlist (Clinton's words) Obama and Clinton are sore losers and they are sitting in the shadows operating to try and prevent Trump from moving forward. Please don't embarrass yourself by claiming this is all false. Pelosi, Schumer. Obama Clinton are leading their party down a path to their own destruction.
Again, Trump does create unnecessary distractions . but in fairness to him what other president has been met this much hate etc simply because he won the election and the hate extends to his family.

Indeed the Republican Party has its issues and i am upset with their inability to work together and to show they have backbone.

I believe Americans are best served if we had strong political parties and that the respective parties shed their radicals and rascals and get down to conducting the people's business.

This "he says""she says game 'has gotten so out of hand so its becoming impossible to believe anyone.

Again I do not need to be right, I just want our elected leaders to do their job and do it right but it seems all they are capable of is playing the political version of the dirty dozen. This should disgust every single American.

Personal Best Regards:

[Rockyrd]

First, let me acknowledge and thank you for a very well thought and civil post.

I have not supported Trump's actions and have on other threads expressed my disappointment that he can't seem to control his emotions. On the other hand if you go back to my post you will see a reference where both Obama and Clinton, whom in my opinion should be demanding their party remain civil and make a good faith effort to work with the incoming administration. but instead they make it clear they want their party to resist, insist, persist and enlist (Clinton's words) Obama and Clinton are sore losers and they are sitting in the shadows operating to try and prevent Trump from moving forward. Please don't embarrass yourself by claiming this is all false. Pelosi, Schumer. Obama Clinton are leading their party down a path to their own destruction.
Again, Trump does create unnecessary distractions . but in fairness to him what other president has been met this much hate etc simply because he won the election and the hate extends to his family.

Indeed the Republican Party has its issues and i am upset with their inability to work together and to show they have backbone.

I believe Americans are best served if we had strong political parties and that the respective parties shed their radicals and rascals and get down to conducting the people's business.

This "he says""she says game 'has gotten so out of hand so its becoming impossible to believe anyone.

Again I do not need to be right, I just want our elected leaders to do their job and do it right but it seems all they are capable of is playing the political version of the dirty dozen. This should disgust every single American.

Personal Best Regards:

Just two things in response....

1. Recall when the Republican Party did the same thing to Obama and both you and I cheered them on within the old forum ?


2. " Again, Trump does create unnecessary distractions . but in fairness to him what other president has been met this much hate etc simply because he won the election and the hate extends to his family. "

Above what you said. I submit, ALL...EVERY SINGLE PROBLEM HE HAS is if his own making, and predicted on here and in the media. Everything is a reaction to his ACTIONS. You see low poll numbers, criticism are one thing. He is destroying the Presidncy with HIS actions.

And finally, you just refuse to see that.....wouldn't it be great to discuss issues. Look, the healthcare thing was his and the party at fault, but without all the lying, accusations just his immaturity, he could just move on. He is behaving like a child, and that is eating up his presidency. It now appears he may not even last and unless a change is made soon, will cripple any conservative ideas.

[Rockyrd]

During open testimony last week, it was revealed that one technique used by the Russians was to utilize President Trump's fascination not only with himself but any source that might help him with no effort to EVER check the authenticity of the information. this is typical...he will rail against things then use them himself.

Does he realize that he is President of the United States with damn good intelligence at his beckoned call.

Then again, it is said this twitter account is used now only for his minions because they believe every word he says.

This is scary to me for the country.

"President Trump, after again ripping the “Fake News Media,” turned to Fox News for proof that he’s the victim in the probes of his administration’s alleged Russian ties.

The President, in another Saturday morning tweetstorm, quoted a Fox story from a day earlier reporting that members of Trump’s team were identified in intelligence reports “for political purposes.”

Despite his disdain for anonymous sources, Trump jumped on the story — provided by an unidentified Congressional source — in his fifth and sixth tweets of the day."


Trump hawks vague TV news report as gospel in Russia-ties scandal - NY Daily News

"Trump — as he has done since accusing the Obama administration of wiretapping Trump Tower — produced no evidence or corroboration of the Fox report."

[Taltarzac725]

Try using the "edit" button rainman. A felony is NOT someone. A felony is a major unlawful violation. Yes, I paraphrased, so get over it.

Hillary is a FELON, that has not been convicted YET. If that does not clear it up for you, then she is a CRIMINAL that has not been convicted yet.

Anyone with any sense at all, and knows anything about IT and the Government and how classified material is handled, KNOWS she broke several laws. If you do not believe this, then you are a fool and you probably do not believe there is any corruption in the government.

Hillary is the scumbag that you keep erroneously labeling Trump as. Hillary should be convicted of treason and executed before she poisons any more retarded liberals.

She is not going to be convicted of anything as she is not under investigation unlike Donald John Trump.

[Rockyrd]

I mentioned in post #19, I alluded to some testimony and neglected to supply a link.....this is it relative to taking advantage of the President online.

"During the Senate Intelligence Committee's open hearing Thursday, an expert on Russia pointed to President Donald Trump's tactics during the campaign and the widespread emergence of internet "trolls" and "bots" as the reason why Russia's interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election was effective.

"Part of the reason active measures have worked in this U.S. election is because the commander-in-chief has used Russian active measures at times against his opponents," said Clint Watts, a senior fellow for the Foreign Policy Research Institute Program on National Security and former FBI special agent. "Active measures" is a Soviet term for attempts to influence events to undermine an opponent.

Watts then pointed to several incidents in which Trump pushed theories that Russian news outlets also promoted.

"He denies the intel from the United States about Russia. He claimed that the election could be rigged; that was the number one theme pushed by RT Sputnik news," Watts said. "So part of the reason active measures works and it does today in terms of Trump Tower being wiretapped is because they parrot the same lines."

The FBI director, as well as the House and Senate Intelligence Committees, have acknowledged that there’s no evidence to back Trump’s March 4 claim that President Barack Obama ordered his phones at Trump Tower be wiretapped during the campaign."

Trump's campaign tactics, trolls strengthened Russia's election meddling, expert says - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/senate-committee-probe-russian-meddling-us-election-begins/story?id=46463551)

[MDLNB]

I mentioned in post #19, I alluded to some testimony and neglected to supply a link.....this is it relative to taking advantage of the President online.

"During the Senate Intelligence Committee's open hearing Thursday, an expert on Russia pointed to President Donald Trump's tactics during the campaign and the widespread emergence of internet "trolls" and "bots" as the reason why Russia's interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election was effective.

"Part of the reason active measures have worked in this U.S. election is because the commander-in-chief has used Russian active measures at times against his opponents," said Clint Watts, a senior fellow for the Foreign Policy Research Institute Program on National Security and former FBI special agent. "Active measures" is a Soviet term for attempts to influence events to undermine an opponent.

Watts then pointed to several incidents in which Trump pushed theories that Russian news outlets also promoted.

"He denies the intel from the United States about Russia. He claimed that the election could be rigged; that was the number one theme pushed by RT Sputnik news," Watts said. "So part of the reason active measures works and it does today in terms of Trump Tower being wiretapped is because they parrot the same lines."

The FBI director, as well as the House and Senate Intelligence Committees, have acknowledged that there’s no evidence to back Trump’s March 4 claim that President Barack Obama ordered his phones at Trump Tower be wiretapped during the campaign."

Trump's campaign tactics, trolls strengthened Russia's election meddling, expert says - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/senate-committee-probe-russian-meddling-us-election-begins/story?id=46463551)

Of course there won't be any evidence that Obie "ordered" the surveillance. It's called plausible deniability. Everyone knows that Obie knew all about it, though. He is untouchable, just like the felon, Hillary.

[Rockyrd]

Whew, so glad I have TOTV.

Imagine, not knowing how every problem is simply the fault of progressives and Democrats.

Dumb me.....it is so simple.

I have learned from Trump that it does not matter if you have the FBI or 17 world class intelligence agencies, the CIA and others...

Smart move is .....watch FOX...use their advice.

I have learned this morning following his tweets that the media is totally responsible for all the investigations going on in congress, and I thought FBI, CIA,intelligence organizations were involved.

You see how dumb we would all be if we did not log on here.

It is going to be great when we eliminate all progressive thinking. Having only the "right" thoughts considered will make it so much easier.

And shutting down any news reporting, because it's all fake anyway might keep those stupid agencies and congress from looking into things that are simply a witch hunt.

Following Twitter to determine who is bad.

[wjboyer1]

of course there won't be any evidence that obie "ordered" the surveillance. It's called plausible deniability. Everyone knows that obie knew all about it, though. He is untouchable, just like the felon, hillary.

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[dave harris]

The post came from a WSJ article written by Kimberly Strassel.
I shared it only to illustrate that a lot of spin and hot wind turns and blows in Washington DC. Strassel is a savvy journalist

Frankly I am sick with the lot of them. This madness is not what we elected them to do.

What I want to happen is for them to cut to the chase. I don't know who is telling the truth. I suspect none of them. Russia and our other enemies have to be having a real belly laugh.

what has been most damaging is a belief in our intelligence community because no matter how you spin it they are using the same spying and propaganda techniques on American citizens as they do with our enemies and they are unmasking Americans and creating intentional leaks

I really don't care about Trump, Nunes, Obama Schiff I care about the damage their political shenanigans are creating for this nation

Obama is the outgoing president. Hillary is the defeated presidential candidate. if they loved and cared for this nation why would they
continue to promote resist, insist, persist and enlist? Occam's Razor would point to their P*****. Why are not cooler heads prevailing. Obama's and Clinton's actions do not bode well for their party

Finally I don't have to be right. I just want our elected leaders to do the right things and get this nation back on course

Personal Best Regards:

When the truth hits you head on you turn your head and do your usual, deflect deflect deflect.

[dave harris]

Of course there won't be any evidence that Obie "ordered" the surveillance. It's called plausible deniability. Everyone knows that Obie knew all about it, though. He is untouchable, just like the felon, Hillary.

Now how did I know this came from a trumpster, of course not a bit of documentation, all fake news. LOL LOL

[rubicon]

Hello Pot. This is Kettle speaking. Are you serious?
The American Conservatives are the masters of fake news, deceit, and partisan misstatements (lies). FOX News, Breitbart just to name a couple.

and you have fact checked that with the New York Times and CNN:D

Personal Best Regards:

[Rockyrd]

When the truth hits you head on you turn your head and do your usual, deflect deflect deflect.

He is totally completely blind to reality, as is his hero.

His worship and adulation for Trump has become an obsession.

He professes goodness, but finds no fault with our President lying.

He professes patriotism, but demeans literally millions of fellow Americans because they do not agree with HIS hero.

He professes the desire to talk issues and not demean others, yet I cannot think of one single day he has not wrapped millions under one label and attacked them, yet ignores questions on issues or debates on them.

He ignores facts, and links which he does not even read..obvious from his responses. If it might be critical of his hero, he simply ignores it and slams the poster.

He lectures everyone on behavior on this forum, and I believe he is the biggest single offender here.

[Rockyrd]

and you have fact checked that with the New York Times and CNN:D

Personal Best Regards:

Did you even read or hear any of the testimony during the hearings last week.

Your hero was exposed IN SWORN TESTIMONY as a dupe of Russia havkers simply because he was easily believed any fake news or conspiracy theory they put in front of him.

Do you not get out ?

[rubicon]

Did you even read or hear any of the testimony during the hearings last week.

Your hero was exposed IN SWORN TESTIMONY as a dupe of Russia havkers simply because he was easily believed any fake news or conspiracy theory they put in front of him.

Do you not get out ?

Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) its everywhere a progressive can be found.

Personal Best Regards:

[ColdNoMore]

Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) its everywhere a progressive can be found.

Personal Best Regards:

As you so aptly prove on a consistent basis, your made-up TDS isn't nearly as strong as...‘Chump Blind Defense Syndrome.’ (CBDS) :oops:

[MDLNB]

As you so aptly prove on a consistent basis, your made-up TDS isn't nearly as strong as...‘Chump Blind Defense Syndrome.’ (CBDS) :oops:

Who would have guessed that Trumps total crushing of Hillary in the election and your subsequent despondency would cause you so much pain and hysteria? We really do sympathize with you. Please try to get on with your life. This is so harmful and unhealthy to your well being.

[ColdNoMore]

Who would have guessed that Trumps total crushing of Hillary in the election and your subsequent despondency would cause you so much pain and hysteria? We really do sympathize with you. Please try to get on with your life. This is so harmful and unhealthy to your well being.

Are you kidding? :1rotfl:

I'm having a blast watching you Trump cultists jump around like a frog on a hot skillet....trying to defend his indefensible actions & behavior. :D



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

[MDLNB]

Are you kidding? :1rotfl:

I'm having a blast watching you Trump cultists jump around like a frog on a hot skillet....trying to defend his indefensible actions & behavior. :D



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

Whatever you say, lil' girl. It seems that it is YOU crybabies that have the all "lynch the Trump" threads cluttering up the forum, no matter how you wish to spin the issue. We are not the ones crying our eyes out. We are celebrating and you are crying and acting like the nasty little losers you are. Do you really think that anything you say is pertinent? No matter how you tear down your president on here, it changes NOTHING in D.C. Trump is your president for at least the next four years. Suck it up, buttercup. :clap2::1rotfl:

[ColdNoMore]

Whatever you say, lil' girl. It seems that it is YOU crybabies that have the all "lynch the Trump" threads cluttering up the forum, no matter how you wish to spin the issue. We are not the ones crying our eyes out. We are celebrating and you are crying and acting like the nasty little losers you are. Do you really think that anything you say is pertinent? No matter how you tear down your president on here, it changes NOTHING in D.C. Trump is your president for at least the next four years. Suck it up, buttercup.

Are you kidding? :1rotfl:

I'm having a blast watching you Trump cultists jump around like a frog on a hot skillet....trying to defend his indefensible actions & behavior. :D



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

[MDLNB]

Are you kidding? :1rotfl:

I'm having a blast watching you Trump cultists jump around like a frog on a hot skillet....trying to defend his indefensible actions & behavior. :D



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

Most of us just respond to you trolls because if we don't, you might go out and hurt yourselves.

We do not have to defend Trump. He won. I'm just wasting my time on here with you, before I go out and work on one of my little home projects. I do get a laugh at your repetitious rants.

[rubicon]

As you so aptly prove on a consistent basis, your made-up TDS isn't nearly as strong as...‘Chump Blind Defense Syndrome.’ (CBDS) :oops:

ya I know and your father can beat my father up geeezz this progressive childishness

Personal Best Regards:

[rubicon]

Are you kidding? :1rotfl:

I'm having a blast watching you Trump cultists jump around like a frog on a hot skillet....trying to defend his indefensible actions & behavior. :D



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

Here is a prime example of Trump Derangement Syndrome in its maniac stages. Its akin to Charlie Sheen's rants on having tiger blood :D

Personal Best Regards:

[Reiver]

As you so aptly prove on a consistent basis, your made-up TDS isn't nearly as strong as...‘Chump Blind Defense Syndrome.’ (CBDS) :oops:

I've tried to resist feeding your ego, but I just have to ask; Why do you post the same tripe on a dozen threads at one time? Is this like the internet version of "The Loudest Italian is the Most Correct"?