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wjboyer1
04-02-2017, 11:01 PM
All False statements involving Donald Trump | PolitiFact (http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/)

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Sure, its a site where Trumpsters call it progressive or liberal propaganda, but lets just pretend, for a moment, that even half or a quarter of what they say is true.....why SHOULD we have a president who lies so much?

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Reiver
04-03-2017, 12:45 AM
.....why should we have a president who lies so much?

Well, you see, we held an election, and he won.

rubicon
04-03-2017, 04:11 AM
Progressives all received such jolt to discover that a sufficient number of voters disagreed with their socialist agenda. They were shocked to lean that these same voters believed that progressive leaders were going down the wrong path. And so in like a Hiroshima Effect they woke up to find Trump won the election.

Since that time progressives all have been suffering with Trump Derangement Syndrome causing them to resist, insist, persist, enlist, to deny, lie and occupy. They have flung abusive invectives at his family reflective of their bad character.

What they have not done is acknowledge the good work he has done so far. what they have not done is to build a bridge of understanding preferring to staying with the socialist propensity of building walls

I repeat this Tump Derangement syndrome over and over. Why? Because that is the only story line being carried by progressives.
Here is another thread on the Trump the man topic to support my comments. I can assure you also that the only response this post will get from progressives are you suck, you lie, Trump's a pig, he lies and you plagiarize.....................

Personal Best Regards:

ColdNoMore
04-03-2017, 05:37 AM
All False statements involving Donald Trump | PolitiFact (http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/)

Sure, its a site where Trumpsters call it progressive or liberal propaganda, but lets just pretend, for a moment, that even half or a quarter of what they say is true.....why should we have a president who lies so much?




The following post answers your question.

Some people simply don't care, nay, actually support and want...a POTUS who is incapable of telling the truth. :ohdear:

Well, you see, we held an election, and he won.

ColdNoMore
04-03-2017, 05:39 AM
Progressives all received such jolt to discover that a sufficient number of voters disagreed with their socialist agenda. They were shocked to lean that these same voters believed that progressive leaders were going down the wrong path. And so in like a Hiroshima Effect they woke up to find Trump won the election.

Since that time progressives all have been suffering with Trump Derangement Syndrome causing them to resist, insist, persist, enlist, to deny, lie and occupy. They have flung abusive invectives at his family reflective of their bad character.

What they have not done is acknowledge the good work he has done so far. what they have not done is to build a bridge of understanding preferring to staying with the socialist propensity of building walls

I repeat this Tump Derangement syndrome over and over. Why? Because that is the only story line being carried by progressives.
Here is another thread on the Trump the man topic to support my comments. I can assure you also that the only response this post will get from progressives are you suck, you lie, Trump's a pig, he lies and you plagiarize.....................

Personal Best Regards:

As you so aptly prove on a consistent basis, your made-up TDS isn't nearly as strong as... ‘Chump Blind Defense Syndrome.’ (CBDS) :oops:

Which is characterized by putting ones hands over ones ears...and closing ones eyes. :D

MDLNB
04-03-2017, 05:50 AM
Well, you see, we held an election, and he won.

EXCELLENT POINT!!! :ho:

MDLNB
04-03-2017, 05:57 AM
Which is characterized by putting ones hands over ones ears...and closing ones eyes. :D

Well, you have proven that it works very well for you, so ????? 🤦🏽🙉

wjboyer1
04-04-2017, 11:14 AM
Well, you see, we held an election, and he won.

That is an election marred by Russian influence, the popular vote going to a more qualified candidate, and now a president who cares more for his golf vacations than the American people.....makes perfect sense

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Dr Winston O Boogie jr
04-04-2017, 11:25 AM
That is an election marred by Russian influence, the popular vote going to a more qualified candidate, and now a president who cares more for his golf vacations than the American people.....makes perfect sense

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It's incredible to me that the left keeps spouting this nonsense. The only thing that true in this post is another candidate won the popular vote. Yet the left keeps repeating these mantras as if their going to get anywhere. It's like when instead of listening to logic about what happened in Iraq, they covered their ears and kept shouting, "No weapons, no WMD found."

They don't want to know anything. they simply want their side to win and it doesn't matter to them what tactics they use to make that happen.

Even when they lost the presidency, both houses of congress and 34 of 50 governor's offices, they still don't get it. The
American people have rejected their ideas. They want something different than what's been going on for the past eight years.

But they'll continue to spout out unsubstantiated nonsense hoping that someone might begin believing it.

Rockyrd
04-04-2017, 11:28 AM
That is an election marred by Russian influence, the popular vote going to a more qualified candidate, and now a president who cares more for his golf vacations than the American people.....makes perfect sense

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The election was questionable simply because of interference by a foreign government.

However, Trump did win and is President.

There are several investigations on going about all of this.

What bothers me is not the election itself...not at all. Trump won...end of story.

What bothers me is the lack of allowing the investigation to go forth to find the truth.

Any investigation if this sort will have leaks, claims, etc to fuel conversation and political "discussion". Nobody knows what you he results will be until we get them.

What bothers me is that the seat of our government, the President of the United States is participating in that "discussion".

He, the President..more than any American should endorse one thing..,,do the investigation. He, more than anyone should not be publicly invoked with the anonymous sources and such. That is disturbing.

My hope is two fold....one, that he is guilty of only immature actions, and nothing worse. And I hope these actions are not part of a coverup.

graciegirl
04-04-2017, 11:42 AM
Some of you guys are really a class act in that you get to the gist of the matter and address it.

The others only hang around to try to intimidate and put down others or try to sell their philosophy of superiority.

There are so many folks on this earth superior to us posting on this forum. We are all losers really. We talk about stuff and we may or may not have the right answers. Our opinions are colored by all of the things that have happened to us or we have observed in our lifetimes. We allow ourselves to get angry at people with made up names who do not have enough courage to meet in a real group and talk together.

Why must people take shots at others from behind screen names? What do they fear?

I would like to meet somewhere in public sometime and none of you have to give up your real names. Spouses are welcome too. AT the clock at Lake Sumter Landing...sometime in May? Who is in and if not why not?

graciegirl
04-04-2017, 11:52 AM
All False statements involving Donald Trump | PolitiFact (http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/)


Sure, its a site where Trumpsters call it progressive or liberal propaganda, but lets just pretend, for a moment, that even half or a quarter of what they say is true.....why should we have a president who lies so much?

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I don't think many of these things are lies as much as they are his inability to communicate well. For instance, the bit about Sweden... Sweden has a real problem with Islamic refugees and no-go zones and unrest and riots. Donald Trump often gets the gist of things but he blurts out his assessments rather than the facts. He does this so much that I can't watch his live speeches. He shoots himself in the foot so often I wonder how he got elected. I don't think he is as devious or as clever at doing kind of underhanded things as our previous president. But that is just my opinion. I don't know if I can stand the stress of watching him do this for four more years but I don't think he is a liar per se.

Rockyrd
04-04-2017, 12:03 PM
Some of you guys are really a class act in that you get to the gist of the matter and address it.

The others only hang around to try to intimidate and put down others or try to sell their philosophy of superiority.

There are so many folks on this earth superior to us posting on this forum. We are all losers really. We talk about stuff and we may or may not have the right answers. Our opinions are colored by all of the things that have happened to us or we have observed in our lifetimes. We allow ourselves to get angry at people with made up names who do not have enough courage to meet in a real group and talk together.

Why must people take shots at others from behind screen names? What do they fear?

I would like to meet somewhere in public sometime and none of you have to give up your real names. Spouses are welcome too. AT the clock at Lake Sumter Landing...sometime in May? Who is in and if not why not?

First of all Gracie, I acknowledged years and years ago how dumb I was and am

BUT, I am ME on here. No different in person. Being on this forum or in person, I am who I am. As I told you before..I have standards for morality and truth and refuse to accept less because it might be more comfortable politically. I will not support goodness, and then support someone who is far beneath that level. That is hypocrisy.

Nothing good would come from meeting. I speak to you on this because it is your suggestion. I will NEVER label people by race, heritage, religion, heritage or political pursuation and then attack them. I know, by your emotional response to defend those who do that on here, that it would never work.

I DO however hope that those in here who simplynhate for the shallowest of reasons, and embrace untruths are not like that off the forum, but then that would puzzle me. Why not be who you are and be proud. But the fact that you recognize the phonies yourself makes any public meeting a bit uncomfortable. That would be my "why not"

Rockyrd
04-04-2017, 12:09 PM
I don't think many of these things are lies as much as they are his inability to communicate well. For instance, the bit about Sweden... Sweden has a real problem with Islamic refugees and no-go zones and unrest and riots. Donald Trump often gets the gist of things but he blurts out his assessments rather than the facts. He does this so much that I can't watch his live speeches. He shoots himself in the foot so often I wonder how he got elected. I don't think he is as devious or as clever at doing kind of underhanded things as our previous president. But that is just my opinion. I don't know if I can stand the stress of watching him do this for four more years but I don't think he is a liar per se.

No, he lies on purpose to his end. I do not understand how you can even say that. He is such an open blatant liar, one of wonders people write about is why.

He has lied his entire life...beyond his open cheating on wives, he always..his entire life has been, not chronic but compulsive liar.

When his own biographer says after spending years with him, and we are speaking of at least theee of them...that he creates a false reality and is comfortable with lying. When, in open testimony just a week ago, we hear the FBI testify that the hackers KNEW he loved fake news, conspiracy theories, and simple lying, AND OLAYED HIM BY FEEDING THAT TO HIM, I honk any doubt about character or trustworthiness is gone.

NO...he lies, he knows it.

graciegirl
04-04-2017, 12:11 PM
First of all Gracie, I acknowledged years and years ago how dumb I was and am

BUT, I am ME on here. No different in person. Being on this forum or in person, I am who I am. As I told you before..I have standards for morality and truth and refuse to accept less because it might be more comfortable politically. I will not support goodness, and then support someone who is far beneath that level. That is hypocrisy.

Nothing good would come from meeting. I speak to you on this because it is your suggestion. I will NEVER label people by race, heritage, religion, heritage or political pursuation and then attack them. I know, by your emotional response to defend those who do that on here, that it would never work.

I DO however hope that those in here who simplynhate for the shallowest of reasons, and embrace untruths are not like that off the forum, but then that would puzzle me. Why not be who you are and be proud. But the fact that you recognize the phonies yourself makes any public meeting a bit uncomfortable. That would be my "why not"

I will grant you that. Some folks have said so many awful things to others that it would be very difficult to stand in their presence. I am known to all of you. You know where I live and you know about my family and you know my real name and many of you don't like me. I must say that in my REAL life I have made few real enemies, simply because I choose not to allow people who I don't feel comfortable with very close to me for very long. I don't beat dead horses and I give live ones with nasty attitudes a real wide berth.

This debating stuff is relatively new and probably comes from the fact that since I am nearing eighty, I know I have a short time to say what is on my mind. I am very troubled by this world and the direction it is going.

wjboyer1
04-04-2017, 12:28 PM
I don't think many of these things are lies as much as they are his inability to communicate well. For instance, the bit about Sweden... Sweden has a real problem with Islamic refugees and no-go zones and unrest and riots. Donald Trump often gets the gist of things but he blurts out his assessments rather than the facts. He does this so much that I can't watch his live speeches. He shoots himself in the foot so often I wonder how he got elected. I don't think he is as devious or as clever at doing kind of underhanded things as our previous president. But that is just my opinion. I don't know if I can stand the stress of watching him do this for four more years but I don't think he is a liar per se.
Maybe you should research your "Sweeden has a real problem with Islamic refugees".......

Between 2012 and 2015, Sweden granted asylum to 101,925 refugees -- that's about 1% of the country's total population.
There was a 7% rise in crime over that period, but the US State Department Bureau of Diplomatic Security says the rise in 2015 was largely due to a spike in computer-based fraud.
"The categories of crimes that reported the highest increases were vandalism and computer-based fraud. 2015 saw a slight decrease in thefts, sex offenses, and traffic crimes," the agency said.
Contrary to what President Trump appeared to suggest, Sweden hasn't been the target of a serious Islamist extremist terror attack since 2010, when Taimour Abdulwahab blew himself up while attempting to carry out a double bomb plot targeting Christmas shoppers in Stockholm.
There was 1 incident lately, which a riot broke out in Rinkeby, a short drive from the center of Stockholm.

It is people like you that propagate false and misleading statements that you claim are factual. Please do us all a favor and research your data and make a conclusion that is based upon current and accurate data.

graciegirl
04-04-2017, 12:59 PM
Maybe you should research your "Sweeden has a real problem with Islamic refugees".......

Between 2012 and 2015, Sweden granted asylum to 101,925 refugees -- that's about 1% of the country's total population.
There was a 7% rise in crime over that period, but the US State Department Bureau of Diplomatic Security says the rise in 2015 was largely due to a spike in computer-based fraud.
"The categories of crimes that reported the highest increases were vandalism and computer-based fraud. 2015 saw a slight decrease in thefts, sex offenses, and traffic crimes," the agency said.
Contrary to what President Trump appeared to suggest, Sweden hasn't been the target of a serious Islamist extremist terror attack since 2010, when Taimour Abdulwahab blew himself up while attempting to carry out a double bomb plot targeting Christmas shoppers in Stockholm.
There was 1 incident lately, which a riot broke out in Rinkeby, a short drive from the center of Stockholm.

It is people like you that propagate false and misleading statements that you claim are factual. Please do us all a favor and research your data and make a conclusion that is based upon current and accurate data.

And that happened just after the time the POTUS mentioned there was trouble in Sweden. Do you think he engineered it?

Actually, Sweden is having big trouble with Mideast refugees | New York Post (http://nypost.com/2017/02/21/actually-sweden-is-having-big-trouble-with-mideast-refugees/)

wjboyer1
04-04-2017, 02:10 PM
And that happened just after the time the POTUS mentioned there was trouble in Sweden. Do you think he engineered it?

Actually, Sweden is having big trouble with Mideast refugees | New York Post (http://nypost.com/2017/02/21/actually-sweden-is-having-big-trouble-with-mideast-refugees/)

Rich Lowrey's OPINION piece only reflects his opinion of the actual factual information, plus, Sean Spicer and Kellyanne Conway both have propagated the "Swedish" immigration problems with their alternate facts....

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Rockyrd
04-04-2017, 02:16 PM
Rich Lowrey's OPINION piece only reflects his opinion of the actual factual information, plus, Sean Spicer and Kellyanne Conway both have propagated the "Swedish" immigration problems with their alternate facts....

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Be very careful......I have found that you can supply fact after fact after fact, and the only thing that counts to most...no, ALL of these folks is blind and total loyalty to the man who lies