Unmasking

[Rockyrd]

I cut and pasted quite a bit, because 99.9 % of readers on this forum do not ever check links and this might be for even one person..

I post it ONLY because I am so sick of Fox News and the White House contriving everything under the sun to portray GOOG GOVERNMENT as something nefarious. The fact our President is conducting this, allowing it and quoting it is disturbing.

This article is very clear, and was recommended by someone who should know his stuff.

If you tire of wanting to know what is real, just skip it. I am beyond thinking most in here are even interested in what is real




"Former National Security Adviser Susan Rice reportedly tried to learn the identities of officials on President Donald Trump's transition team whose conversations with foreign officials were incidentally collected during routine intelligence-gathering operations.

The intelligence reports obtained by Rice, who served under President Barack Obama from 2013 to 2017, "were summaries of monitored conversations — primarily between foreign officials discussing the Trump transition, but also in some cases direct contact between members of the Trump team and monitored foreign officials," Bloomberg's Eli Lake reported on Monday.

National-security experts say Rice's reported requests to identify who was speaking with the foreign officials before Trump was inaugurated were neither unusual nor against the law — especially if, as Lake reported, the foreign officials being monitored were discussing "valuable political information" that required the identity of the people they were speaking to, or about, to be uncovered.

"The identities of US persons may be released under two circumstances: 1) the identity is needed to make sense of the intercept; 2) if a crime is involved in the conversation," said Robert Deitz, a former senior counselor to the CIA director and former general counsel at the National Security Agency.

"Any senior official who receives the underlying intelligence may request these identities," Deitz said, noting that while "the bar for obtaining the identity is not particularly high, it must come from a senior official, and the reason cannot simply be raw curiosity."

Documents showing that Rice made those requests were uncovered by the National Security Council's senior director for intelligence, Ezra Cohen-Watnick, according to Lake's reporting. Cohen-Watnick was involved in providing documents related to the incidental surveillance of members of Trump's transition team to House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes about two weeks ago, though it is unclear if they are the same documents mentioned in Lake's reporting.

A source of concern to some, however, has been why some of Trump's associates who had been caught up in the surveillance and later unmasked, such as former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, had their names leaked to the press. Lake, for instance, has argued that the "selective leaking of monitored communications of US persons is a police-state tactic."

But former NSA Director Michael Hayden, who also served as the principal deputy director of national intelligence and the director of the CIA, cautioned against "automatically assuming that the US person was party to the conversation" that may have prompted an unmasking.

"My life experience suggests that the overwhelming proportion of these cases of incidental collection is not information to or from an American, but information about an American," Hayden said. "In this case, it is very likely in most instances two foreigners talking about the Trump transition."

Lake's article follows a Fox News report citing "a source" who said the official who sought to identify the people who were speaking with monitored foreign agents was "very well known, very high up, very senior in the intelligence world."

Trump on Monday praised Fox's "amazing reporting on unmasking and the crooked scheme against us," which he said showed that "there was electronic surveillance" of his inner circle during the transition.


As Nunes has told reporters and as Lake has reported, there is no evidence that Trump and his team were directly surveilled.

The move by Rice, if she had probable cause, could likely be viewed as routine and expected of high-level intelligence officials, said Paul Pillar, a 28-year veteran of the CIA and former executive assistant to the CIA's deputy director for intelligence.


Pillar, who is now a nonresident senior fellow at Georgetown University's Center for Security Studies, said Rice may have even been motivated to request identities in order to constrain her own communications.

"If Ms. Rice was communicating with members of Trump's team regarding transition matters and she learns from intelligence that some such members also are communicating with the Russians, she would want to know exactly who is doing that so she can be extra careful in her own talks, lest something she says gets relayed to Moscow," Pillar said.

"This whole story strikes me as just more of the effort to divert attention from the issue of the relations that Trump and his associates have had with Russia, and as part of the diversion to try to suggest impropriety of some sort on the part of the Obama administration," Pillar said. "In other words, it's a continuation of an effort to salvage something from Trump's baseless charges about Obama wiretapping him."

The White House has tried repeatedly, with varying degrees of evidence, to validate Trump's explosive claim made last month that Obama wiretapped his phones at Trump Tower during the election.

A former Obama administration official responsible for the Defense Department's Russia policy, for instance, came into the White House's crosshairs last week for what it has characterized as her admission that Obama-era officials were collecting intelligence on Trump and his transition team.

Pillar said that "an important thing to remember is that we are dealing with foreign intelligence — intelligence on Russian activities — and indeed, Russian activities that strike close to the heart of our democratic processes.

"We should be disturbed if whoever was in office was not keeping close tabs on that sort of thing," he said."

Susan Rice tried to 'unmask' Trump associates, report says - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/susan-rice-trump-unmask-intelligence-wiretap-2017-4)




By the way, as I said, I don't care if anyone reads this..I know most don't care much about truth and USA but if there is someone, I excluded a few paras, so read the link to see the whole thing.

Nothing here trying to condemn Trump, his staff or anyone. I am just sick of him and Fox muddying up an important investigation. I hope he did nothing, because that would be a disaster for our country and bottom line is that..the country

[Rockyrd]

Best tweet of the day...

[I][I]


If improper masking occurred...prosecute. If collusion with Russia occurred...impeach!

[Reiver]

tl;dr

[billethkid]

Sneaky, mousy, Obama liar leader.

No surprise. She is worse than Clinton.

Obama rewarded her lying by promoting her.

Her qualifications? She was a campaign supporter and able to lie and deny with the same deer in the headlights sign of deceit.

No surprise here. Only what she says next!

If it is noon and she states the sun is shining, one needs to look outside!

[Villagesperson]

Sneaky, mousy, Obama liar leader.

No surprise. She is worse than Clinton.

Obama rewarded her lying by promoting her.

Her qualifications? She was a campaign supporter and able to lie and deny with the same deer in the headlights sign of deceit.

No surprise here. Only what she says next!

If it is noon and she states the sun is shining, one needs to look outside!

That's 1 who doesn't read

[Rockyrd]

Just a note on the UNMASKING in post#1, and in post 4, the obvious poster who either cannot read or understand. The unmasking bybSusan Rice was within her job and normal and we are again being treated to thevPresudent watching Fox and posting what he hears, instead of checking.

The below is strange....could have been ok, except for the undercover players involved, but doubt anyone cares or will even read. To summarize, just another peg...alone just suspicious, with others.....


"The United Arab Emirates arranged a secret meeting in January between Blackwater founder Erik Prince and a Russian close to President Vladi*mir Putin as part of an apparent effort to establish a back-channel line of communication between Moscow and President-elect Donald Trump, according to U.S., European and Arab officials."

Blackwater founder held secret Seychelles meeting to establish Trump-Putin back channel - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/blackwater-founder-held-secret-seychelles-meeting-to-establish-trump-putin-back-channel/2017/04/03/95908a08-1648-11e7-ada0-1489b735b3a3_story.html?utm_term=.1ad6cbbaf346)

[MDLNB]

Just a note on the UNMASKING in post#1, and in post 4, the obvious poster who either cannot read or understand. The unmasking bybSusan Rice was within her job and normal and we are again being treated to thevPresudent watching Fox and posting what he hears, instead of checking.

The below is strange....could have been ok, except for the undercover players involved, but doubt anyone cares or will even read. To summarize, just another peg...alone just suspicious, with others.....


"The United Arab Emirates arranged a secret meeting in January between Blackwater founder Erik Prince and a Russian close to President Vladi*mir Putin as part of an apparent effort to establish a back-channel line of communication between Moscow and President-elect Donald Trump, according to U.S., European and Arab officials."

Blackwater founder held secret Seychelles meeting to establish Trump-Putin back channel - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/blackwater-founder-held-secret-seychelles-meeting-to-establish-trump-putin-back-channel/2017/04/03/95908a08-1648-11e7-ada0-1489b735b3a3_story.html?utm_term=.1ad6cbbaf346)

Not true. It's obvious that you have never handled classified material before, or intelligence reporting. The unmasking of American citizens is only allowed for special situations, NOT FOR PERSONAL REASONS. Rice did it for personal or political reasons and should be prosecuted. Then, on top of it all, she just lied about it to the American people. She should have kept her mouth shut, but she is a stupid person. That is obvious from the time she insisted that a video was responsible for Benghazi.

[rubicon]

In my humble view, the progressive mantra goes something like this: " the more partisan I become the more likely I am a truth teller"

A progressive would not acknowledge a fact if s/he tripped over.

Occam Razor applies here. Who was it that told the country that Benghazi was a result of an amateur video?
Who is Obama's closest adviser and one with access to confidential material?
Who would gain from fabricating a story about a Russian connection?

The[un] intelligence community MSM, et al working with progressives are intent on proving a Russian connection to TRUMP.

So far they have uncovered:

Clinton's uranium deal..no not that

Trump surveillance with unmaskings...no not that

Clinton foundations campaign donation from foreign nations to gain preferential access scandal...no not that

Podesta's e-mails...no not that

Brazile's Q&A give away...no not that

DNC scandal...no not that

Wikileaks democrat scandal revelations...no not that

Hillary's zillion missing e-mails...no not that

Trump Derangement Syndrome has created mass hysteria among the progressive community and it is an ugly thing to behold. and the more one tries to explain to them that it is all delusional thinking the angrier, hateful and violent they get., with their cry to resist, persist, enlist..

Personal Best Regards:

[billethkid]

Doncha just love all the crap some turn out when ANYBODY is not on their wave length, their side, their party or GOD forbid has a point of view that does not agree with theirs!!!!

[Rockyrd]

Not true. It's obvious that you have never handled classified material before, or intelligence reporting. The unmasking of American citizens is only allowed for special situations, NOT FOR PERSONAL REASONS. Rice did it for personal or political reasons and should be prosecuted. Then, on top of it all, she just lied about it to the American people. She should have kept her mouth shut, but she is a stupid person. That is obvious from the time she insisted that a video was responsible for Benghazi.

I spent my entire military career (6 years) PLUS a number of years after working with a top secret cryptographic clearance (not sure if that category still exists) so I understand.

I, unlike you, was never able to from afar tell motives of people. Not sure what clearance there is thatballows younthat skill, but what she did was well within her responsibilities.

You should look up the difference between UNMASKING and LEAKING.

[cologal]

Not true. It's obvious that you have never handled classified material before, or intelligence reporting. The unmasking of American citizens is only allowed for special situations, NOT FOR PERSONAL REASONS. Rice did it for personal or political reasons and should be prosecuted. Then, on top of it all, she just lied about it to the American people. She should have kept her mouth shut, but she is a stupid person. That is obvious from the time she insisted that a video was responsible for Benghazi.

Perhaps you meant to say:

If Rice did it for personal or political reasons and should be prosecuted.

[Rockyrd]

Perhaps you meant to say:

If Rice did it for personal or political reasons and should be prosecuted.

I agree, and you should type that "if" in caps...IF.

Not sure how long this thing takes, but my thought is there will be more than one prosecution for more than one offense, some major, some minor.

MOST I am beginning to think will be not from the original "sin" but various cover ups.

Don't think this is going to be over soon.

[graciegirl]

In my humble view, the progressive mantra goes something like this: " the more partisan I become the more likely I am a truth teller"

A progressive would not acknowledge a fact if s/he tripped over.

Occam Razor applies here. Who was it that told the country that Benghazi was a result of an amateur video?
Who is Obama's closest adviser and one with access to confidential material?
Who would gain from fabricating a story about a Russian connection?

The[un] intelligence community MSM, et al working with progressives are intent on proving a Russian connection to TRUMP.

So far they have uncovered:

Clinton's uranium deal..no not that

Trump surveillance with unmaskings...no not that

Clinton foundations campaign donation from foreign nations to gain preferential access scandal...no not that

Podesta's e-mails...no not that

Brazile's Q&A give away...no not that

DNC scandal...no not that

Wikileaks democrat scandal revelations...no not that

Hillary's zillion missing e-mails...no not that

Trump Derangement Syndrome has created mass hysteria among the progressive community and it is an ugly thing to behold. and the more one tries to explain to them that it is all delusional thinking the angrier, hateful and violent they get., with their cry to resist, persist, enlist..

Personal Best Regards:

I really like to read your posts, sir. I think you are wise and very ethical and kind and have good common sense.

[Rockyrd]

I really like to read your posts, sir. I think you are wise and very ethical and kind and have good common sense.

I am sure you do, you certainly make that abundantly clear.

I suggest then that both of you are so consumed with hate for so many other Americans you are missing thevrealty of the world.

Your perception, that somehow, you can identify a group, and then blame the chaos in the world on that is not palatable to me.

You both have said you wish to talk topics, but 100% of the time post on theoretical themes attacking one group or another.

Ethical and kind...I think not. Ethical is recognizing individuals as such, and not simply a member of a group that YOU classify. Kind is not being blindly judgmental of people who do not fit the mold YOU have proclaimed acceptable.

To your specific point.....those bad people have already proven a foreign country hacked and attempted to move or sway our electoral system.

ALL THE REST is at the behest and request of the President of the United States. It is NOT at the request of the media. It is NOT at the request of "progressives". It is taking place, simply and ONLY because if the President if the United States, HE is the ONLY one to accuse his predecessor of wire tapping and instructed the comm. to investigate...HE is the one who accused 1/2 million illegals of voting and told them to investigate it. HE is the one quoting FOX news weekly with anonymous sources to chase.

You post like you know what you are talking about, and ignore all facts.

The love, admiration and total and complete adherence to Trump, even when he lies should be of concern.

I now know why you avoid actual issues....you know nothing about them.

To be ethical and kind, you need awareness...,you need sensitivity..,you have none of that.

The lack of facing reality and the coupling with the President making almost daily news with his own conspiracy theory, NONE generated anywhere but the Whitehouse simply robs real issues of news space. He is playing the press with what appears to be a cover up of something. Nobody in the media, nor a progressive started anything, and are reacting to him, which he enjoys.

I hope you get you wish, and there is nothing, but he keeps adding to the story each day.

You keep posting a definitive theme....move on, but you do not seem to be able to

[rubicon]

I spent my entire military career (6 years) PLUS a number of years after working with a top secret cryptographic clearance (not sure if that category still exists) so I understand.

I, unlike you, was never able to from afar tell motives of people. Not sure what clearance there is thatballows younthat skill, but what she did was well within her responsibilities.

You should look up the difference between UNMASKING and LEAKING.

Well let me take a wild guess between the difference of UNMASKING AND LEAKING. First, a person unmasks ( identifies) a subject who was not the intended target and then once identifying the non-target leaks his/her name in an effort to sully his reputation and bring unwarranted suspicious on his person. Both unmasking and leaking are criminal offenses and may depending on the circumstances be subjected to civil torts as well.

Personal Best Regards:

[Rockyrd]

Well let me take a wild guess between the difference of UNMASKING AND LEAKING. First, a person unmasks ( identifies) a subject who was not the intended target and then once identifying the non-target leaks his/her name in an effort to sully his reputation and bring unwarranted suspicious on his person. Both unmasking and leaking are criminal offenses and may depending on the circumstances be subjected to civil torts as well.

Personal Best Regards:

Ok,...now listen to me...

UNMASKING IS NOT A CRIMINAL OFFENSE

GOT IT.

I now a lot about unmasking personally, but that is old news and not relevant.

UNMASKING is something done probably very single day.

When reading an intelligence report and you come across a "masked" person....

If you feel that the identity of the "masked" person is important to understanding the document, then you may request the identity.

There are 15 to 20 people in the entire United States that may approve that request. They are trained in making that decision. They are not democrats or republicans..they are American intelligence people up to and including Mike Rodgers

UNMASKING IS NOT A CRIME. IT IS NOT LEAKING.

Now, if someone is unmasking for political purposes, it would requir, of course two...the one requesting and the one approving. THAT would be a crime.

So, please...in this case your hero is lying once again. I am doing much by memory, but will attempt to find a link to explain.

I am offended greatly, as an American citizen, that you are so caught up in whatever you are doing to make such an unwarranted, with no basis.

Our country is conducting an investigation concerning a foreign power, and you, your ilk, and the President try to change the subject. This investigation is NOT about UNMASKING, NOR KEAKING and all your constant BS cannot change that. Any actions concerning wrongful unmasking or leaking can be taken care of as they are found, but you idiots think you know and you know nothing. If eventually, Ms, Evans is found to have had a political motive to request unmasking, she will suffer the consequences.

Right now, for REAL Americans, we want to know....the extent of Russian involvement in our election....was anyone from the US in collusion with them in this effort...did President Obama attempt to wiretap Oresident Trump or his staff.

So stop your political crap lead by the liar in the White House. You people have to wake up.

UNMASKING IS NOT ILLEGAL AND HAPPENS OFTEN IN OUR COUBTRY AND ALWAYS HAS.

You sincerely do not have a clue.

[Rockyrd]

For Rubicon,..as I oromised

"However, there are times when the intelligence agency needs to know the name of the person in the communication, and so they must ask that the alias be removed. Removing the alias is known as "unmasking."

There are legal reasons to unmask someone, and officials are required to follow proper procedures to make sure the unmasking is being done for a good reason."

Six questions raised by the report Susan Rice unmasked names of Trump advisers | Washington Examiner (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/six-questions-raised-by-the-report-susan-rice-unmasked-names-of-trump-advisers/article/2619252)

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This is a good one...pretty darned detailed.

What is 'unmasking?' How intelligence agencies treat U.S. citizens (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/04/04/what-unmasking-how-intelligence-agencies-treat-us-citizens/100026368/)

And of course, the link I supplied earlier in this thread was a good one. You always show how you ignore anything linked and simolynattack on behalf igpf your hero

[graciegirl]

I still think that it is slimy and underhanded and I think she lied. LIED.

[Rockyrd]

I still think that it is slimy and underhanded and I think she lied. LIED.

Can you read.

IT IS A NORMAL OPERATING THING WITHIN THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY. IT IS REQUIRED AS THESE BRAVE PEOPLE TRY TO PROTECT US. IT TAKES OTHER PEOPLE TO RESPOND TO A REQUEST..IT IS NOT DONE OUT OF CURIOSITY

THERE ARE DETAILED..VERY DETAILED RECORDS KEPT IN WHO ASKED, WHY, WHO APPROVED.

HOW DARE YO CALL THESE BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN SLIMY AND UNDEHANDED. JUST WHO DO YOU THINK YOUNARE.

AND you condemn her when you don't even know one thing.

You folks are reaching all time lows and you call our folks working for us slimy !

HOW DARE YOU.

[Rockyrd]

I am still steamed over the person...Gracie..reference to unmasking as slimy and whatever else she said.

You people are in the fringe of being flat out crazy and nuts.

Nobody is defending abpnyone, but even our intelligence community know IF, WHO, etc. BUT YOU ARE ALREADY CALLING NAMES .

OUR PRESIDENT HAS CREATED A COMPLETE STATE OF HATE AND ALL YOU UNTHINKING, STUPID, UNINFORMED PEOPLE JUST FOLLOW WHAT HE SAYS.

HE HAS BEEN MALIGNING OUR HARDWORKING INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY FOR A YEAR IR MORE AND HAS TAKEN YOU INTO HIS FANTASY WORLD.

Sorry, but this is typical unamerican hate.

[billethkid]

The well oiled wagons have already circled around Rice. The media is doing their part by not even reporting the issue...true or not.

All very Clinton-like....Benghazz-like....Bergdahl is a hero-like......lying weasel that will totally escape prosecution.

This is exactly why Obama was tryng his damdest to get Clinton elected.

Eventually some of the fecal matter will come out of the Obama oscillator that is going to stick on someone and will not be able to be hidden or ignored.

Obama's greatest fear!!!

[Taltarzac725]

Ok,...now listen to me...

UNMASKING IS NOT A CRIMINAL OFFENSE

GOT IT.

I now a lot about unmasking personally, but that is old news and not relevant.

UNMASKING is something done probably very single day.

When reading an intelligence report and you come across a "masked" person....

If you feel that the identity of the "masked" person is important to understanding the document, then you may request the identity.

There are 15 to 20 people in the entire United States that may approve that request. They are trained in making that decision. They are not democrats or republicans..they are American intelligence people up to and including Mike Rodgers

UNMASKING IS NOT A CRIME. IT IS NOT LEAKING.

Now, if someone is unmasking for political purposes, it would requir, of course two...the one requesting and the one approving. THAT would be a crime.

So, please...in this case your hero is lying once again. I am doing much by memory, but will attempt to find a link to explain.

I am offended greatly, as an American citizen, that you are so caught up in whatever you are doing to make such an unwarranted, with no basis.

Our country is conducting an investigation concerning a foreign power, and you, your ilk, and the President try to change the subject. This investigation is NOT about UNMASKING, NOR KEAKING and all your constant BS cannot change that. Any actions concerning wrongful unmasking or leaking can be taken care of as they are found, but you idiots think you know and you know nothing. If eventually, Ms, Evans is found to have had a political motive to request unmasking, she will suffer the consequences.

Right now, for REAL Americans, we want to know....the extent of Russian involvement in our election....was anyone from the US in collusion with them in this effort...did President Obama attempt to wiretap Oresident Trump or his staff.

So stop your political crap lead by the liar in the White House. You people have to wake up.

UNMASKING IS NOT ILLEGAL AND HAPPENS OFTEN IN OUR COUBTRY AND ALWAYS HAS.

You sincerely do not have a clue.

Thanks. So many of the comments on here are just meant to support Donald Trump no matter what this FRAUD and pathological liar has done.

[Taltarzac725]

The well oiled wagons have already circled around Rice. The media is doing their part by not even reporting the issue...true or not.

All very Clinton-like....Benghazz-like....Bergdahl is a hero-like......lying weasel that will totally escape prosecution.

This is exactly why Obama was tryng his damdest to get Clinton elected.

Eventually some of the fecal matter will come out of the Obama oscillator that is going to stick on someone and will not be able to be hidden or ignored.

Obama's greatest fear!!!

Oh horse ****.

[Rockyrd]

The well oiled wagons have already circled around Rice. The media is doing their part by not even reporting the issue...true or not.

All very Clinton-like....Benghazz-like....Bergdahl is a hero-like......lying weasel that will totally escape prosecution.

This is exactly why Obama was tryng his damdest to get Clinton elected.

Eventually some of the fecal matter will come out of the Obama oscillator that is going to stick on someone and will not be able to be hidden or ignored.

Obama's greatest fear!!!

What the hell are you talking about ?

This was all over every single broadcast and cable news and headlined probably every nation paper in the country.

What does she need defending for ? Explain in detail.

You hate infused people who are simply one thing...hater of anything Obama or Clinton. You are more anti american than pro..you sell your soul to believe a man who simply flat out lies.

You people really need to grow up...facts seem secondary to you.

She needs no defense at this point, Unless you know for sure WHO she unmasked, WHEN she did it, WHO of the few that can ok it did so, read the paperwork permitting it, and know very thing she will testify to in hearings.

You people fit the mold

[Taltarzac725]

What the hell are you talking about ?

This was all over every single broadcast and cable news and headlined probably every nation paper in the country.

What does she need defending for ? Explain in detail.

You hate infused people who are simply one thing...hater of anything Obama or Clinton. You are more anti american than pro..you sell your soul to believe a man who simply flat out lies.

You people really need to grow up...facts seem secondary to you.

She needs no defense at this point, Unless you know for sure WHO she unmasked, WHEN she did it, WHO of the few that can ok it did so, read the paperwork permitting it, and know very thing she will testify to in hearings.

You people fit the mold

Just cannot understand the love of Trump. He is doing great things for other billionaires around the world with building up the arms race, ignoring or circumventing needed controls on the increase of global warming, ameliorating controls over big banks, helping to sell our private information over the Internet, etc.

[graciegirl]

I am still steamed over the person...Gracie..reference to unmasking as slimy and whatever else she said.

You people are in the fringe of being flat out crazy and nuts.

Nobody is defending abpnyone, but even our intelligence community know IF, WHO, etc. BUT YOU ARE ALREADY CALLING NAMES .

OUR PRESIDENT HAS CREATED A COMPLETE STATE OF HATE AND ALL YOU UNTHINKING, STUPID, UNINFORMED PEOPLE JUST FOLLOW WHAT HE SAYS.

HE HAS BEEN MALIGNING OUR HARDWORKING INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY FOR A YEAR IR MORE AND HAS TAKEN YOU INTO HIS FANTASY WORLD.

Sorry, but this is typical unamerican hate.

That is my opinion of Ms. Rice. Woman don't conclude the way men do. I don't have to ask permission from you to have an opinion. George. And another thing, Phillip, When you have tunnel vision you are not processing all information on the problem. She, Ms. Rice, is a fibber, in my opinion.

Stand back. Gut busting will hit us all soon.

[Rockyrd]

Just cannot understand the love of Trump. He is doing great things for other billionaires around the world with building up the arms race, ignoring or circumventing needed controls on the increase of global warming, ameliorating controls over big banks, helping to sell our private information over the Internet, etc.

You are correct but they do not see it.

Tell you what, I can and would support much if what I think he wants, but my fear is what he has created and this forum is a great example.

He has created this reality based on hate and lies. People on here for example wait till their favorite website tells then what to say or better said think, or wait for him to tweet. They will deny truth and do it meanly and fervently because it might please him. Of course if no direction is given, the fall back is Obama or Clinton.

Tonight was an eye opener. People coming in here without any knowledge.edge whatsoever just spouting out ignorance because that is the line Trump is taking. No matter how much you show them how Trump lies, they still will support a lie.

This, what appears to be a cover up is so stupid. We have an investigation going on and the President is interfering with it and trying to rouse this uninformed people to follow. He is actually using people on his staff to, INSTEAD OF KEEPING OUR COUNTRY SAFE, digging to find a defense for "something"

He has created this and all I see is an upswing in Democrat voting and enthusiasm. Somehow, I wish this was over...his head should be in our country and not his reputation, and Americans should be wanting truth, not feel good slogans, I truely fear if we have a crisis..,who the hell do we believe.

[Rockyrd]

That is my opinion of Ms. Rice. Woman don't conclude the way men do. I don't have to ask permission from you to have an opinion. George. And another thing, Phillip, When you have tunnel vision you are not processing all information on the problem. She, Ms. Rice, is a fibber, in my opinion.

Stand back. Gut busting will hit us all soon.





I don't understand George, Phillip or other spillage I am reading.

Women or men conclude based on facts, not made up stuff

OH MY GOD.

IT IS NOT THE OPINION OF ANYONE. IN WHAT WORKD ARE YOU LIVING. YOU WERE TOLD SHE WAS A LIAR SO YOU REPEAT IT. Do you have a reading disability ?

You come on here and call our intelligence service "slime", and totally ignore, presumably blinded by hate what is going on.

YOU NEED PERRMISSION TO UNMASK. BUT YOU KNOW BETTER. YOU KNOW BETTER THAN ALL THESE HEROES WHO DEFEND YOU AND PROTECT YOU, AND GUESS WHAT...YOU better tell Trump to have them in his staff begin to protect and stop f
Looking to interfere in an ongoing investigation

I have no tunnel vision and actually laugh out loud at you defending your hero in actually lying and proven so, and you call me names.

Gracie..,go for it..you deserve to sink with Trump. Stay in your made up world, which is devoid of any facts. If you feel good hating, enjoy. Wallowing in your uninformed hate. I prefer to talk to adults who really know something.

Your post is bizarre

And what the hell is "gut busting"

[affald]

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[graciegirl]

I don't understand George, Phillip or other spillage I am reading.

Women or men conclude based on facts, not made up stuff

OH MY GOD.

IT IS NOT THE OPINION OF ANYONE. IN WHAT WORKD ARE YOU LIVING. YOU WERE TOLD SHE WAS A LIAR SO YOU REPEAT IT. Do you have a reading disability ?

You come on here and call our intelligence service "slime", and totally ignore, presumably blinded by hate what is going on.

YOU NEED PERRMISSION TO UNMASK. BUT YOU KNOW BETTER. YOU KNOW BETTER THAN ALL THESE HEROES WHO DEFEND YOU AND PROTECT YOU, AND GUESS WHAT...YOU better tell Trump to have them in his staff begin to protect and stop f
Looking to interfere in an ongoing investigation

I have no tunnel vision and actually laugh out loud at you defending your hero in actually lying and proven so, and you call me names.

Gracie..,go for it..you deserve to sink with Trump. Stay in your made up world, which is devoid of any facts. If you feel good hating, enjoy. Wallowing in your uninformed hate. I prefer to talk to adults who really know something.

Your post is bizarre

And what the hell is "gut busting"

Just what you did. There is a life outside this forum and think for a minute, we can't do anything about what is happening in DC. No one is paying any attention to what you or I think. Life is continuing on and we are wasting a lot of it fixating on stuff over which we have no control.

People hate it when someone "feels it in their bones" or intuit's something, but you can just feel the hatred of the anchors on CNN and MSNBC and I can feel your hatred. Woman absorb information with different antennae.

And by the way I didn't call our intelligence service slime. Barack Obama isn't retiring. He is taking a bunch of money and he is engineering a lot of trouble for the POTUS. Why? My guess is power. It is addicting and very hard to lose. I can't prove it but I have a damn good hunch. And my opinion is as good as yours.

Go tomorrow and play golf if it doesn't rain. We are not the people who run the universe.

[wjboyer1]

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[Reiver]

Liberals be like...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGfzWwT-35M

[MDLNB]

More felonies that will go UN-prosecuted, that are attributed to the Obama administration, to go along with his SecState felonies cover up.

[rubicon]

Progressives have a lock on the news outlets, on Hollywood and the entertainment world, and on Silicon Valley. They have a lock on both coasts California and New York. That provides them the leverage and coverage to continue to manufacture the news and distribute it. it provides cover for their hypocrisy,malfeasance, lies etc.

Obama operated like a lawless dictator for 8 years. He was responsible for Fast & furious, IRS scandal, DOJ breaches of conflict of interests, Benghazi, spying on political opponents, etc and because of the aforementioned backing never any acountability

but you can't fool all of the people........and hence decent folks got tired of it all and demanded change .

What we are witnessing now are the more radical in the Democratic Party who could not believe their agenda was rejected. the bad news is they are building walls rather than bridges. the good news is they will be clearly identified, outed from the Democratic Party because there are a sufficient number of Democrats who are decent human beings and patriots and they understand these recalcitrants are sowing their seeds of destruction

Personal Best Regards:

[MDLNB]

Progressives have a lock on the news outlets, on Hollywood and the entertainment world, and on Silicon Valley. They have a lock on both coasts California and New York. That provides them the leverage and coverage to continue to manufacture the news and distribute it. it provides cover for their hypocrisy,malfeasance, lies etc.

Obama operated like a lawless dictator for 8 years. He was responsible for Fast & furious, IRS scandal, DOJ breaches of conflict of interests, Benghazi, spying on political opponents, etc and because of the aforementioned backing never any acountability

but you can't fool all of the people........and hence decent folks got tired of it all and demanded change .

What we are witnessing now are the more radical in the Democratic Party who could not believe their agenda was rejected. the bad news is they are building walls rather than bridges. the good news is they will be clearly identified, outed from the Democratic Party because there are a sufficient number of Democrats who are decent human beings and patriots and they understand these recalcitrants are sowing their seeds of destruction

Personal Best Regards:


Hopefully, the left will continue to self-destruct. They contribute NOTHING to the making America the great country it has been since it's conception. At the rate they are going, in a decade there will be NO Democrat party, only two factions of the Republican party fighting for the right to lead. And that is fine with me.

[ColdNoMore]

The desperate 'Bobsy Twins' of supposed 'civility'...post again. :1rotfl:


You can't make up this kind of hypocrisy and lying...If you tried. :ohdear:



Deepest Sincere Wishes:. :wave:

[graciegirl]

The desperate 'Bobsy Twins' of supposed 'civility'...post again. :1rotfl:


You can't make up this kind of hypocrisy and lying...If you tried. :ohdear:



Deepest Sincere Wishes:. :wave:

Bobbsey is spelled with two b's. They were Freddie and Flossie, Bert and Nan.

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[Don Baldwin]

Hopefully, the left will continue to self-destruct. They contribute NOTHING to the making America the great country it has been since it's conception. At the rate they are going, in a decade there will be NO Democrat party, only two factions of the Republican party fighting for the right to lead. And that is fine with me.

Blacks/Hispanics, the MAJORITY of the "left", contribute nothing to this country and are actively destroying most of what made it great. White culture. We peaked in the 50s and it's been downhill ever since civil rights became more important than success. Johnson destroyed this country with his "Great Society". Diversity has led to a slow decline from #1 to #25.

At the rate they are going...they will dominate through sheer numbers alone. In less than 30 years Hispanics ARE the absolute majority. They are Democratic.

We will collapse by then or shortly after. White people bring western civilization. Dilution, diversity, will destroy it. We will enter a new dark ages.

[Taltarzac725]

Blacks/Hispanics, the MAJORITY of the "left", contribute nothing to this country and are actively destroying most of what made it great. White culture. We peaked in the 50s and it's been downhill ever since civil rights became more important than success. Johnson destroyed this country with his "Great Society". Diversity has led to a slow decline from #1 to #25.

At the rate they are going...they will dominate through sheer numbers alone. In less than 30 years Hispanics ARE the absolute majority. They are Democratic.

We will collapse by then or shortly after. White people bring western civilization. Dilution, diversity, will destroy it. We will enter a new dark ages.

More racist garbage. Did you know that Jesus Christ was probably of a brownish color? "Race, Ethnicity, and Hope in a Hebraic Jesus" by Joshua Canada - The Salt Collective (http://thesaltcollective.org/race-ethnicity-hebraic-jesus/)

[graciegirl]

More racist garbage. Did you know that Jesus Christ was probably of a brown color?

Tal.

Every human can be painted with a mixture of red and yellow and a touch of brown from my water color box.

I think this whole subject is beneath us. It isn't how a person looks but how he/she acts and what they accomplish without breaking the law. Or don't accomplish. Or if they are damaged, how well they are doing with what they are working with.

Christianity says we should try to understand and be kind to all people. Boy that is hard. I personally think that Jesus was very tan looking. Sometimes my faith escapes me, but I honor those who believe.

[Taltarzac725]

Tal.

Every human can be painted with a mixture of red and yellow and a touch of brown from my water color box.

I think this whole subject is beneath us. It isn't how a person looks but how he/she acts and what they accomplish without breaking the law. Or don't accomplish. Or if they are damaged, how well they are doing with what they are working with.

Christianity says we should try to understand and be kind to all people. Boy that is hard. I personally think that Jesus was very tan looking. Sometimes my faith escapes me, but I honor those who believe.

I know that Graciegirl. I often see my nephew Kalil at 6 years old or so pointing at his skin and saying "This is only skin deep." He was just making an observation. My late younger brother married a Jamaican woman, Grace, who had had Kalil before they met. They encountered racism from both white and blacks because of their interracial marriage. Kalil's doing quite well now at about 14. His brother is in the movie August Rush with the late Robin Williams.

[Don Baldwin]

More racist garbage. Did you know that Jesus Christ was probably of a brownish color? "Race, Ethnicity, and Hope in a Hebraic Jesus" by Joshua Canada - The Salt Collective (http://thesaltcollective.org/race-ethnicity-hebraic-jesus/)

It's NOT garbage...it's all fact. Disprove it...as you're trying...you'll learn something. You can't...I'm right.

"Jesus" IF he ever actually existed...would have been "Mediterranean", dark skinned like the Palestinians, Greeks, Egyptians, etc. He most certainly was NOT Negroid if that is what you insinuate.

Just because someone is fro Africa...doesn't make them "black"...The inferior "Negroid" is from Sub-Saharan Africa. It's a whole different species. They were "cut off" from the other hominid DNA that made those who went north...better...literally. Some hybrids are constructive...others destructive.

Tal.

Every human can be painted with a mixture of red and yellow and a touch of brown from my water color box.

I think this whole subject is beneath us. It isn't how a person looks but how he/she acts and what they accomplish without breaking the law. Or don't accomplish. Or if they are damaged, how well they are doing with what they are working with.

Christianity says we should try to understand and be kind to all people. Boy that is hard. I personally think that Jesus was very tan looking. Sometimes my faith escapes me, but I honor those who believe.

How they act? Violent, destructive, destroy EVERY neighborhood they take over...EVERY school they take over, EVERY town, city, and country. NAME ONE SUCCESSFUL BLACK PLACE...just one!

Why? Why would you honor those brainwashed into believing...garbage. You want to call something garbage? Religion. ESPECIALLY those with a deity.

I know that Graciegirl. I often see my nephew Kalil at 6 years old or so pointing at his skin and saying "This is only skin deep." He was just making an observation. My late younger brother married a Jamaican woman, Grace, who had had Kalil before they met. They encountered racism from both white and blacks because of their interracial marriage. Kalil's doing quite well now at about 14. His brother is in the movie August Rush with the late Robin Williams.

It's MUCH more than skin deep...it's as deep as the difference between a kitty and a lion...a toy poodle and a wolf. One is domesticated and little danger, they actually brings peace, happiness, and enjoyment...the other...violence and misery.

Congratulations...your family is helping with the genocide of the white race. BTW, "quite well" isn't the same as...he's the family star...smarter, more athletic, emotionally stable, friendly, most loyal...of the whole bunch. Am I right?

Most bi-racial kids have problems...because it's a cross species mating. It wasn't meant to be. If left to nature...blacks and whites would have NOTHING to do with each other. Except one would eventually enslave the other...or kill them off.

[Taltarzac725]

It's NOT garbage...it's all fact. Disprove it...as you're trying...you'll learn something. You can't...I'm right.

"Jesus" IF he ever actually existed...would have been "Mediterranean", dark skinned like the Palestinians, Greeks, Egyptians, etc. He most certainly was NOT Negroid if that is what you insinuate.

Just because someone is fro Africa...doesn't make them "black"...The inferior "Negroid" is from Sub-Saharan Africa. It's a whole different species. They were "cut off" from the other hominid DNA that made those who went north...better...literally. Some hybrids are constructive...others destructive.



How they act? Violent, destructive, destroy EVERY neighborhood they take over...EVERY school they take over, EVERY town, city, and country. NAME ONE SUCCESSFUL BLACK PLACE...just one!

Why? Why would you honor those brainwashed into believing...garbage. You want to call something garbage? Religion. ESPECIALLY those with a deity.



It's MUCH more than skin deep...it's as deep as the difference between a kitty and a lion...a toy poodle and a wolf. One is domesticated and little danger, they actually brings peace, happiness, and enjoyment...the other...violence and misery.

Congratulations...your family is helping with the genocide of the white race. BTW, "quite well" isn't the same as...he's the family star...smarter, more athletic, emotionally stable, friendly, most loyal...of the whole bunch. Am I right?

Most bi-racial kids have problems...because it's a cross species mating. It wasn't meant to be. If left to nature...blacks and whites would have NOTHING to do with each other. Except one would eventually enslave the other...or kill them off.

Like President Barack Obama, Tiger Woods, Halle Berry.. Halle Berry - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halle_Berry)

Famous biracial, and black, people (http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/11/living/gallery/famous-biracial-people/index.html)

[Don Baldwin]

Like President Barack Obama, Tiger Woods, Halle Berry.. Halle Berry - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halle_Berry)

Famous biracial, and black, people (http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/11/living/gallery/famous-biracial-people/index.html)

I looked at your list...politicians and actors.

WHERE are the Newtons? Einsteins? Edisons? Teslas? Do you REALLY want to compare lists of "great people"? Do you REALLY want to go there?

They are not us...we are not the same.

[Taltarzac725]

I looked at your list...politicians and actors.

WHERE are the Newtons? Einsteins? Edisons? Teslas? Do you REALLY want to compare lists of "great people"? Do you REALLY want to go there?

They are not us...we are not the same.

6 Ways Albert Einstein Fought for Civil Rights (http://www.livescience.com/50051-albert-einstein-civil-rights.html)

Albert Einstein fought against racism in the US and condemned its practice in Germany by the Nazis in the strongest of terms.

[Rockyrd]

UNMASKING as part of our government to racial hate and discussion of skin color...amazing

[dillywho]

I am still steamed over the person...Gracie..reference to unmasking as slimy and whatever else she said.

You people are in the fringe of being flat out crazy and nuts.

Nobody is defending abpnyone, but even our intelligence community know IF, WHO, etc. BUT YOU ARE ALREADY CALLING NAMES .

OUR PRESIDENT HAS CREATED A COMPLETE STATE OF HATE AND ALL YOU UNTHINKING, STUPID, UNINFORMED PEOPLE JUST FOLLOW WHAT HE SAYS.

HE HAS BEEN MALIGNING OUR HARDWORKING INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY FOR A YEAR IR MORE AND HAS TAKEN YOU INTO HIS FANTASY WORLD.

Sorry, but this is typical unamerican hate.

"OUR PRESIDENT HAS CREATED A COMPLETE STATE OF HATE"

You must be referring to President Obama.

Hate cops
Hate whites
Hate our sacrificing troops....the ones willing to die for us, not the Bergdahls...you know, the deserter he honored
Hate America and everything American


And the list goes on.

[dillywho]

There is so much talk on here and in the media about how Russia "interfered" in our election. Can somebody PLEASE explain to me just exactly how they interfered?

The people I have talked to did NOT want Hillary Clinton to be President. Russia had nothing to do with it for them or me. Hillary, herself, did. She had one goal and one goal only: To be the first female ever elected President of the United States. She could care less about this country. Unlike President Kennedy, she only cares about "what this country can do for her". I couldn't stand her when she ran against President Obama and still can't. She is totally crooked in every walk of her life and demonstrated that even more when she was Secretary of State. Why would anyone want her as President when she couldn't even do a decent job, not good just decent, as Secretary?

As far as any "collusion" with Russia, she should be looked at for that one. Whatever dealings Donald Trump may have had with Russia was as a PRIVATE CITIZEN, not an official of the US Government.

Why is it that it is just wonderful and so acceptable to get close to all the countries that hate our guts, but not Russia? It's no secret that Russia and the US have long been enemies, even though at one point we were allies. I would much prefer having them as 'friends' than North Korea or Iran. At least we haven't furnished them with nuclear capability like we have Iran. (Oops, we may have, if you can believe that Hillary sold them uranium. In all fairness, not sure that that one has yet been proven.)

It must be just fine with some of you that then-President Obama promised a smooth transition to the new administration and has since seen to it that it has been anything but. He even went so far as to shake hands on it. THAT is neither the mark of a gentleman nor a man of his word.

But President Donald Trump lies.:a20:

[Warren Kiefer]

I cut and pasted quite a bit, because 99.9 % of readers on this forum do not ever check links and this might be for even one person..

I post it ONLY because I am so sick of Fox News and the White House contriving everything under the sun to portray GOOG GOVERNMENT as something nefarious. The fact our President is conducting this, allowing it and quoting it is disturbing.

This article is very clear, and was recommended by someone who should know his stuff.

If you tire of wanting to know what is real, just skip it. I am beyond thinking most in here are even interested in what is real




"Former National Security Adviser Susan Rice reportedly tried to learn the identities of officials on President Donald Trump's transition team whose conversations with foreign officials were incidentally collected during routine intelligence-gathering operations.

The intelligence reports obtained by Rice, who served under President Barack Obama from 2013 to 2017, "were summaries of monitored conversations — primarily between foreign officials discussing the Trump transition, but also in some cases direct contact between members of the Trump team and monitored foreign officials," Bloomberg's Eli Lake reported on Monday.

National-security experts say Rice's reported requests to identify who was speaking with the foreign officials before Trump was inaugurated were neither unusual nor against the law — especially if, as Lake reported, the foreign officials being monitored were discussing "valuable political information" that required the identity of the people they were speaking to, or about, to be uncovered.

"The identities of US persons may be released under two circumstances: 1) the identity is needed to make sense of the intercept; 2) if a crime is involved in the conversation," said Robert Deitz, a former senior counselor to the CIA director and former general counsel at the National Security Agency.

"Any senior official who receives the underlying intelligence may request these identities," Deitz said, noting that while "the bar for obtaining the identity is not particularly high, it must come from a senior official, and the reason cannot simply be raw curiosity."

Documents showing that Rice made those requests were uncovered by the National Security Council's senior director for intelligence, Ezra Cohen-Watnick, according to Lake's reporting. Cohen-Watnick was involved in providing documents related to the incidental surveillance of members of Trump's transition team to House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes about two weeks ago, though it is unclear if they are the same documents mentioned in Lake's reporting.

A source of concern to some, however, has been why some of Trump's associates who had been caught up in the surveillance and later unmasked, such as former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, had their names leaked to the press. Lake, for instance, has argued that the "selective leaking of monitored communications of US persons is a police-state tactic."

But former NSA Director Michael Hayden, who also served as the principal deputy director of national intelligence and the director of the CIA, cautioned against "automatically assuming that the US person was party to the conversation" that may have prompted an unmasking.

"My life experience suggests that the overwhelming proportion of these cases of incidental collection is not information to or from an American, but information about an American," Hayden said. "In this case, it is very likely in most instances two foreigners talking about the Trump transition."

Lake's article follows a Fox News report citing "a source" who said the official who sought to identify the people who were speaking with monitored foreign agents was "very well known, very high up, very senior in the intelligence world."

Trump on Monday praised Fox's "amazing reporting on unmasking and the crooked scheme against us," which he said showed that "there was electronic surveillance" of his inner circle during the transition.


As Nunes has told reporters and as Lake has reported, there is no evidence that Trump and his team were directly surveilled.

The move by Rice, if she had probable cause, could likely be viewed as routine and expected of high-level intelligence officials, said Paul Pillar, a 28-year veteran of the CIA and former executive assistant to the CIA's deputy director for intelligence.


Pillar, who is now a nonresident senior fellow at Georgetown University's Center for Security Studies, said Rice may have even been motivated to request identities in order to constrain her own communications.

"If Ms. Rice was communicating with members of Trump's team regarding transition matters and she learns from intelligence that some such members also are communicating with the Russians, she would want to know exactly who is doing that so she can be extra careful in her own talks, lest something she says gets relayed to Moscow," Pillar said.

"This whole story strikes me as just more of the effort to divert attention from the issue of the relations that Trump and his associates have had with Russia, and as part of the diversion to try to suggest impropriety of some sort on the part of the Obama administration," Pillar said. "In other words, it's a continuation of an effort to salvage something from Trump's baseless charges about Obama wiretapping him."

The White House has tried repeatedly, with varying degrees of evidence, to validate Trump's explosive claim made last month that Obama wiretapped his phones at Trump Tower during the election.

A former Obama administration official responsible for the Defense Department's Russia policy, for instance, came into the White House's crosshairs last week for what it has characterized as her admission that Obama-era officials were collecting intelligence on Trump and his transition team.

Pillar said that "an important thing to remember is that we are dealing with foreign intelligence — intelligence on Russian activities — and indeed, Russian activities that strike close to the heart of our democratic processes.

"We should be disturbed if whoever was in office was not keeping close tabs on that sort of thing," he said."

Susan Rice tried to 'unmask' Trump associates, report says - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/susan-rice-trump-unmask-intelligence-wiretap-2017-4)




By the way, as I said, I don't care if anyone reads this..I know most don't care much about truth and USA but if there is someone, I excluded a few paras, so read the link to see the whole thing.

Nothing here trying to condemn Trump, his staff or anyone. I am just sick of him and Fox muddying up an important investigation. I hope he did nothing, because that would be a disaster for our country and bottom line is that..the country


This is Trump over and over. His first claim was to cast doubt on Obama being an American. He continued this nonsense for five years. Susan Rice was doing her job to protect American lives.

[Warren Kiefer]

That's 1 who doesn't read

This is one of those stupid people who believed Obama was Kenyan.

[Warren Kiefer]

Not true. It's obvious that you have never handled classified material before, or intelligence reporting. The unmasking of American citizens is only allowed for special situations, NOT FOR PERSONAL REASONS. Rice did it for personal or political reasons and should be prosecuted. Then, on top of it all, she just lied about it to the American people. She should have kept her mouth shut, but she is a stupid person. That is obvious from the time she insisted that a video was responsible for Benghazi.

Another responder who should not be offering stupid and wrong information. There is zero evidence Rice did anything for political reasons. She could only get a name by requesting such from the FBI or CIA. She and only she was to see the name of an unmasked person. You probably still Trump counted 3.5 illegals voting for Hillary in the last election or that Obama is a Kenyan ...

[Warren Kiefer]

I am sure you do, you certainly make that abundantly clear.

I suggest then that both of you are so consumed with hate for so many other Americans you are missing thevrealty of the world.

Your perception, that somehow, you can identify a group, and then blame the chaos in the world on that is not palatable to me.

You both have said you wish to talk topics, but 100% of the time post on theoretical themes attacking one group or another.

Ethical and kind...I think not. Ethical is recognizing individuals as such, and not simply a member of a group that YOU classify. Kind is not being blindly judgmental of people who do not fit the mold YOU have proclaimed acceptable.

To your specific point.....those bad people have already proven a foreign country hacked and attempted to move or sway our electoral system.

ALL THE REST is at the behest and request of the President of the United States. It is NOT at the request of the media. It is NOT at the request of "progressives". It is taking place, simply and ONLY because if the President if the United States, HE is the ONLY one to accuse his predecessor of wire tapping and instructed the comm. to investigate...HE is the one who accused 1/2 million illegals of voting and told them to investigate it. HE is the one quoting FOX news weekly with anonymous sources to chase.

You post like you know what you are talking about, and ignore all facts.

The love, admiration and total and complete adherence to Trump, even when he lies should be of concern.

I now know why you avoid actual issues....you know nothing about them.

To be ethical and kind, you need awareness...,you need sensitivity..,you have none of that.

The lack of facing reality and the coupling with the President making almost daily news with his own conspiracy theory, NONE generated anywhere but the Whitehouse simply robs real issues of news space. He is playing the press with what appears to be a cover up of something. Nobody in the media, nor a progressive started anything, and are reacting to him, which he enjoys.

I hope you get you wish, and there is nothing, but he keeps adding to the story each day.

You keep posting a definitive theme....move on, but you do not seem to be able to


So true and right on the mark !!

[Warren Kiefer]

I still think that it is slimy and underhanded and I think she lied. LIED.

This is what stupid people usually think..

[graciegirl]

This is one of those stupid people who believed Obama was Kenyan.

Barack Obama lived with his mother and Islamic stepfather in J a k a r t a and attended an Islamic primary School in Ja****a in fourth fifth and sixth grade..
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Religion in Indonesia
Indonesia is the world's most populous Muslim-majority nation; almost 87.18% of Indonesians declared themselves Muslim in the 2010 census.[14] 9.87% of the population adhered to Christianity (of which more than 70% were Protestant), 1.69% were Hindu, 0.72% Buddhist, and 0.56 of other faiths. Most Indonesian Hindus are Balinese[15] and most Buddhists in modern-day Indonesia are Tionghoa.[16]

[MDLNB]

Another responder who should not be offering stupid and wrong information. There is zero evidence Rice did anything for political reasons. She could only get a name by requesting such from the FBI or CIA. She and only she was to see the name of an unmasked person. You probably still Trump counted 3.5 illegals voting for Hillary in the last election or that Obama is a Kenyan ...

Warren, you don't even know what you are talking about. Explain to me how she could have any reason to unmask Americans on the Trump team, when she had absolutely no legitimate authority or reason to do so. You can't, because you are thinking like the partisan hack you are. Obviously, you have NEVER handled classified information before, especially Intel reporting. Do some research before you talk out your @ss to someone that has knowledge of how the process works.

[Rockyrd]

Warren, you don't even know what you are talking about. Explain to me how she could have any reason to unmask Americans on the Trump team, when she had absolutely no legitimate authority or reason to do so. You can't, because you are thinking like the partisan hack you are. Obviously, you have NEVER handled classified information before, especially Intel reporting. Do some research before you talk out your @ss to someone that has knowledge of how the process works.

Let's review.....how does she know who it is UNTIL SHE UNMASKS.

Have any of you ever really worked anywhere at allactually, Warren was 100% correct. You need to learn reading comprehension

[Warren Kiefer]

Barack Obama lived with his mother and Islamic stepfather in J a k a r t a and attended an Islamic primary School in Ja****a in fourth fifth and sixth grade..
.
Religion in Indonesia
Indonesia is the world's most populous Muslim-majority nation; almost 87.18% of Indonesians declared themselves Muslim in the 2010 census.[14] 9.87% of the population adhered to Christianity (of which more than 70% were Protestant), 1.69% were Hindu, 0.72% Buddhist, and 0.56 of other faiths. Most Indonesian Hindus are Balinese[15] and most Buddhists in modern-day Indonesia are Tionghoa.[16]

YOUR WORDS MEAN NOTHING. Obama HAD A BONIFIED BIRTH CERTIFICATE FROM HAWAII.

[Warren Kiefer]

Let's review.....how does she know who it is UNTIL SHE UNMASKS.

Have any of you ever really worked anywhere at allactually, Warren was 100% correct. You need to learn reading comprehension

Thanks for the support. I know I am correct.

[graciegirl]

YOUR WORDS MEAN NOTHING. Obama HAD A BONIFIED BIRTH CERTIFICATE FROM HAWAII.

Your attitude is unfriendly.

[Warren Kiefer]

Warren, you don't even know what you are talking about. Explain to me how she could have any reason to unmask Americans on the Trump team, when she had absolutely no legitimate authority or reason to do so. You can't, because you are thinking like the partisan hack you are. Obviously, you have NEVER handled classified information before, especially Intel reporting. Do some research before you talk out your @ss to someone that has knowledge of how the process works.

Obviously you have no clue what Susan Rice's job was. Let me inform you that she was charged with protecting you and I.. Here is where your ignorance shows, OF COURSE SHE HAD FULL AUTHORITY TO ASK THE JUDICIAL BUREAUS TO UNMASK ANY PERSON SUSPECTED OF SUSPICION. Take 9-11 for example. If the CIA tapped into communications between someone in the USA and the Ben Laden group, are you dumb enough to believe she should not be told from who the calls were being made. And where did you come up with her wanting data on the Trump team?? No one has disclosed that !! I am always sorry when I get into conversations with morons !!

[Warren Kiefer]

Your attitude is unfriendly.

As the saying goes, it is hard to soar like an weagle when you are having a discussion with a bunch of Turkeys..

[MDLNB]

Let's review.....how does she know who it is UNTIL SHE UNMASKS.

Have any of you ever really worked anywhere at allactually, Warren was 100% correct. You need to learn reading comprehension

It is illegal for Intelligence agencies to spy on American citizens within the borders of the U.S. Only the FBI is given permission to do so. Any U.S. citizens that become part of an Intelligence report from our Intelligence agencies, ie. CIA, DIA, NSA, etc. are annotated by code, not using Identifying names. There are only special circumstances when those U.S. citizens are unmasked. Any citizen incidental to an Intelligence report that is unmasked and leaked to NON-Cleared personal becomes a victim of a felony. The person that illegally perpetrates that violation can be charged with a federal crime.
I realize that most of you do not know anything about handling of classified information. That's why Hillary having classified on her personal computer was simply shrugged off. I have seen people fire and charged for way less.

Like I said, you are a partisan hack that is ignorant to national security procedures, but insist on babbling away like the village idiot, even after you have been corrected.

All the federal statutes are available on the Internet for research if you don't believe me. Don't take my word for it. That would force you to accept that I am correct. Just do a bit or research before verbally vomiting all over the forum in ignorance.

[MDLNB]

As the saying goes, it is hard to soar like an weagle when you are having a discussion with a bunch of Turkeys..

Step away from the keyboard. You should not be operating a PC in your inebriated state.

[Rockyrd]

It is illegal for Intelligence agencies to spy on American citizens within the borders of the U.S. Only the FBI is given permission to do so. Any U.S. citizens that become part of an Intelligence report from our Intelligence agencies, ie. CIA, DIA, NSA, etc. are annotated by code, not using Identifying names. There are only special circumstances when those U.S. citizens are unmasked. Any citizen incidental to an Intelligence report that is unmasked and leaked to NON-Cleared personal becomes a victim of a felony. The person that illegally perpetrates that violation can be charged with a federal crime.
I realize that most of you do not know anything about handling of classified information. That's why Hillary having classified on her personal computer was simply shrugged off. I have seen people fire and charged for way less.

Like I said, you are a partisan hack that is ignorant to national security procedures, but insist on babbling away like the village idiot, even after you have been corrected.

All the federal statutes are available on the Internet for research if you don't believe me. Don't take my word for it. That would force you to accept that I am correct. Just do a bit or research before verbally vomiting all over the forum in ignorance.

Wow...you really need to read more and understand the job of the National Security Advisor...then read, and it is all over what the unmasking procedure involves...but most importantly you are assuming that's that are just not true or at least proven.

Let the stinking investigation continue...we then find out with back up WHO LIED AND WHO DIDNT.

If you have information to offer that comm, I suggest you give them a call.

[MDLNB]

Wow...you really need to read more and understand the job of the National Security Advisor...then read, and it is all over what the unmasking procedure involves...but most importantly you are assuming that's that are just not true or at least proven.

Let the stinking investigation continue...we then find out with back up WHO LIED AND WHO DIDNT.

If you have information to offer that comm, I suggest you give them a call.


Nice backpedal Rocky. You might as well say goodnight now. You happily know that congress will do nothing with their investigation. Any first year law student knows enough to convict Killary, but not our corrupt government. Do you really think that they are doing anything but going through the motions with Rice? Although, I have to give the left credit. This is the first time I have ever seen them work hard. They are desperate to hang anything they can on Trump, regardless if they have invent some scandal or not. You lefties make your master, Soros very happy. He is definitely getting his money's worth. He lost a sizable investment with Hillary.