Fact-checking the Trumpian spin on ‘surveillance of Trump’

[wjboyer1]

Fact-checking the Trumpian spin on ‘surveillance of Trump’ - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/04/04/fact-checking-the-trumpian-spin-on-surveillance-of-trump/?tid=sm_fb&utm_term=.12b24ebcd2dc)

[MDLNB]

Notice that nothing from the mainstream libtard media about RICE and the proof that the White House WAS surveilling Trump. Kind of makes this thread moot, since the WP is also in denial.

[Taltarzac725]

Notice that nothing from the mainstream libtard media about RICE and the proof that the White House WAS surveilling Trump. Kind of makes this thread moot, since the WP is also in denial.

Right. And Donald Trump is such an honest man.

[graciegirl]

Right. And Donald Trump is such an honest man.

You can say that. But who knows?

What is your opinion of the Washington Post as compared to ..........The New York Times, Reuters, The Guardian, U.S.A. Today, Newsweek, The La Times, The Orlando Sentinel, etc. etc. etc.

It is very hard to find the truth.

[Taltarzac725]

You can say that. But who knows?

What is your opinion of the Washington Post as compared to ..........The New York Times, Reuters, The Guardian, U.S.A. Today, Newsweek, The La Times, The Orlando Sentinel, etc. etc. etc.

It is very hard to find the truth.

Donald Trump's file | PolitiFact (http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/)

This seems to be a fairly objective site. I am sure it also has a few problems. They do seem to dig though.

[MDLNB]

Donald Trump's file | PolitiFact (http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/)

This seems to be a fairly objective site. I am sure it also has a few problems. They do seem to dig though.

Politifact owned by the left leaning Tampa Bay Times. They endorsed Killary for president, so you can be the judge of how unbiased they are.

[Taltarzac725]

Trump Russia ties: The definitive scandal guide - POLITICO (http://www.politico.com/trump-russia-ties-scandal-guide)

Trump's Russian scandal.

[Rockyrd]

Notice that nothing from the mainstream libtard media about RICE and the proof that the White House WAS surveilling Trump. Kind of makes this thread moot, since the WP is also in denial.

This is such a stupid post.

Look..let's get real.

First, the House of Representatives, and the Senate, in a bipartisan way empowered an investigation to look into the potential hacking into systems to influence a US election. That was it when it began..non partisan

While that investigation was on going, President Trump accused President Obama of wiretapping him and asked that to also be investigated.

They did that investigation, and announce publicly that Russia, under Putin direct orders, did in fact hack and did in fact attempt to influence our 2016. They found that the attempt was to help Trump win. They found no evidence of gots being changed or actually directly influenced. They said thisUNAMINIOUSLY.

At the time the congress held an open session on this, they announced that there was, in addition and based on information garnered from the Russian investigation a new criminal investigation by the FBI relative to the Trump campaign. At that time, they said they had no evidence relative to President Trumps claim of wiretapping.

Since the, the President has been publicly claiming a number of things, ALL of which come under the perfume of existing investigations.

The most current charge by the President comes as all others have, including the charge of British involvement....Fox News cites ANONYMOUS SOURCES, mostly on the morning show, which then leads to public charges by Trump of proof he was wiretapped. He also will speak to leaks, EXCEPT those leaked to him by Fox.

Current charge is about Susan Rice. Rice was National Security Advisor in the White House and her job was to review intelligence reports each and every day. This is the job assigned to that position, and has been part of that title.

In that job, when a report requires context, which I assure you is often, she REQUESTS THAT A PERSON BE UNMASKED IN WRITING TO ONE OF APPROX 19 people. They decide whether to allow that unmasking. Those people do not work for any administration and are just well trained people. Once, and if, that permission is granted, she will get he name by phone[/ B] from the agency involved. These requests are in writing and have a record. This is the information that is then given to The President in his morning briefing.

So, all you people making crazy claims and or assumptions are flat out crazy.

Stories in the press are just that. There was a critical call in one thread for investigative reporting.

Folks...

[B]THERE IS AN ON GOING INVESTIGATION BY THE HOUSE AND SENATE AND WHEN IT CONCLUDES WE WILL KNOW WHO LIED AND WHO DID NOT, BUT IN THE MEANTIME THROWING STONES IS STUPID BECAUSE YOU DO NOT KNOW.

As to the acinine comment about the media, that is so stupid. THAT claim came DIRECTLY from Fox, and I assure you this story, and every other accusation made by the President is extremely well covered.

PS..By the way, despite the stupid claims about "libtards", Democrats or liberals making charges...frankly the single ONLY PERSON MAKING CHARGES IS THE PRESIDENT.

I am not offering opinion...it is simple fact.

[MDLNB]

This is such a stupid post.

Look..let's get real.

First, the House of Representatives, and the Senate, in a bipartisan way empowered an investigation to look into the potential hacking into systems to influence a US election. That was it when it began..non partisan

While that investigation was on going, President Trump accused President Obama of wiretapping him and asked that to also be investigated.

They did that investigation, and announce publicly that Russia, under Putin direct orders, did in fact hack and did in fact attempt to influence our 2016. They found that the attempt was to help Trump win. They found no evidence of gots being changed or actually directly influenced. They said thisUNAMINIOUSLY.

At the time the congress held an open session on this, they announced that there was, in addition and based on information garnered from the Russian investigation a new criminal investigation by the FBI relative to the Trump campaign. At that time, they said they had no evidence relative to President Trumps claim of wiretapping.

Since the, the President has been publicly claiming a number of things, ALL of which come under the perfume of existing investigations.

The most current charge by the President comes as all others have, including the charge of British involvement....Fox News cites ANONYMOUS SOURCES, mostly on the morning show, which then leads to public charges by Trump of proof he was wiretapped. He also will speak to leaks, EXCEPT those leaked to him by Fox.

Current charge is about Susan Rice. Rice was National Security Advisor in the White House and her job was to review intelligence reports each and every day. This is the job assigned to that position, and has been part of that title.

In that job, when a report requires context, which I assure you is often, she REQUESTS THAT A PERSON BE UNMASKED IN WRITING TO ONE OF APPROX 19 people. They decide whether to allow that unmasking. Those people do not work for any administration and are just well trained people. Once, and if, that permission is granted, she will get he name by phone[/ B] from the agency involved. These requests are in writing and have a record. This is the information that is then given to The President in his morning briefing.

So, all you people making crazy claims and or assumptions are flat out crazy.

Stories in the press are just that. There was a critical call in one thread for investigative reporting.

Folks...

[B]THERE IS AN ON GOING INVESTIGATION BY THE HOUSE AND SENATE AND WHEN IT CONCLUDES WE WILL KNOW WHO LIED AND WHO DID NOT, BUT IN THE MEANTIME THROWING STONES IS STUPID BECAUSE YOU DO NOT KNOW.

As to the acinine comment about the media, that is so stupid. THAT claim came DIRECTLY from Fox, and I assure you this story, and every other accusation made by the President is extremely well covered.

PS..By the way, despite the stupid claims about "libtards", Democrats or liberals making charges...frankly the single ONLY PERSON MAKING CHARGES IS THE PRESIDENT.

I am not offering opinion...it is simple fact.

And the liberal media is real quiet about RICE and her lies. She said she knew NOTHING. It turned out to be a lie. Now she is trying to say her spying was all legit. OK, then prove it. Why did she need the info and why did she insist on unmasking American citizens in an intelligence report. Best way to find out WHY is for her to answer questions under oath.

Like I said, nothing from the liberal media. Just like the liberal media attempted to protect the felon Hillary, and so far she has gotten away with her lies and felony violations.

Say what you wish in defense, but this is more news than golfing trips, White House portraits and Pepsi commercials.

[Taltarzac725]

And the liberal media is real quiet about RICE and her lies. She said she knew NOTHING. It turned out to be a lie. Now she is trying to say her spying was all legit. OK, then prove it. Why did she need the info and why did she insist on unmasking American citizens in an intelligence report. Best way to find out WHY is for her to answer questions under oath.

Like I said, nothing from the liberal media. Just like the liberal media attempted to protect the felon Hillary, and so far she has gotten away with her lies and felony violations.

Say what you wish in defense, but this is more news than golfing trips, White House portraits and Pepsi commercials.

Again. Baloney.

[Rockyrd]

And the liberal media is real quiet about RICE and her lies. She said she knew NOTHING. It turned out to be a lie. Now she is trying to say her spying was all legit. OK, then prove it. Why did she need the info and why did she insist on unmasking American citizens in an intelligence report. Best way to find out WHY is for her to answer questions under oath.

Like I said, nothing from the liberal media. Just like the liberal media attempted to protect the felon Hillary, and so far she has gotten away with her lies and felony violations.

Say what you wish in defense, but this is more news than golfing trips, White House portraits and Pepsi commercials.

What the hey is wrong with you ?

Do you live in some basement ? Can you read, hear ir understand ?

What you say is so ludicrous and simply naive, I don't know what to say.

[MDLNB]

What the hey is wrong with you ?

Do you live in some basement ? Can you read, hear ir understand ?

What you say is so ludicrous and simply naive, I don't know what to say.

Of course you don't know what to say. I have been telling you that for along time and you are finally getting it. Do you watch any news or just get your information from your fellow liberals?

[rubicon]

Of course you don't know what to say. I have been telling you that for along time and you are finally getting it. Do you watch any news or just get your information from your fellow liberals?

Joy Behar and Whoopie Goldberg and friends on "the View" offer really in-depth and bias free analysts daily :D

Personal Best Regards:

[Taltarzac725]

Joy Behar and Whoopie Goldberg and friends on "the View" offer really in-depth and bias free analysts daily :D

Personal Best Regards:

So do CBS News, ABC News, NBC News, CNN, MSNBC and many other sources except for the Goebbels speak coming out of the Alt-Right double talkers. Even FOX has called out Trump about stuff.

[Rockyrd]

So do CBS News, ABC News, NBC News, CNN, MSNBC and many other sources except for the Goebbels speak coming out of the Alt-Right double talkers. Even FOX has called out Trump about stuff.

Does not count.

Great Americans listen only to Townhall or other types. Having two sides of any story is extremely unamerican to some.

[graciegirl]

So do CBS News, ABC News, NBC News, CNN, MSNBC and many other sources except for the Goebbels speak coming out of the Alt-Right double talkers. Even FOX has called out Trump about stuff.

Donald Trump is a blurter. He isn't a statesman or a politician and he isn't a teacher or an orator. He gets the gist of things, really gets the gist of things and says it not quite right...or he says things he would be better off sitting on and waiting until it all plays out. He says things than he can't back them up because the source is top secret for some kind of National Security. He shoots himself in the foot. He appears to have Aspergers Syndrome and doesn't interact appropriately sometimes although he has to be very intelligent. You don't amass a fortune like that if you are stupid.

He is doing what I thought he would do...bumble around like a brain surgeon trying to sell balloons to make a living. All the lifers on Capital Hill know the inside stuff and how to maneuver around it, but most of all the lifers are very good TALKERS. He has a new staff and doesn't have a clue who he can count on or trust. He isn't good at this job yet, but he does have the work ethic.

I don't know if I can stand the tension of this for four years, but somehow I think he can do it.

This is my female assessment and it does have quite a bit of living behind it and some solid reading and a lot of personal experience and interest in how people work.

P.S. Tal...Politifact is indeed owned by the same company as the Tampa Bay Times and are lefties.

[Taltarzac725]

Donald Trump is a blurter. He isn't a statesman or a politician and he isn't a teacher or an orator. He gets the gist of things, really gets the gist of things and says it not quite right...or he says things he would be better off sitting on and waiting until it all plays out. He says things than he can't back them up because the source is top secret for some kind of National Security. He shoots himself in the foot. He appears to have Aspergers Syndrome and doesn't interact appropriately sometimes although he has to be very intelligent. You don't amass a fortune like that if you are stupid.

He is doing what I thought he would do...bumble around like a brain surgeon trying to sell balloons to make a living. All the lifers on capital hill know the inside stuff and how to maneuver around it. He has a new staff and doesn't have a clue who he can count on or trust.

I don't know if I can stand the tension of this for four years, but somehow I think he can do it.

This is my female assessment and it does have quite a bit of living behind it and some solid reading and a lot of personal experience and interest in how people work.

I still think he will be impeached once they have enough evidence to present to the American people. He actually does not seem at all popular to the Washington establishment nor to most of the media. And I mean both those on the left and the right.

I feel sorry for Ivanka Trump and her husband. They look like good people in a very bad situation of dealing with a man whose ambitions could not match his abilities. If he got some really talented people in his Cabinet he might be able to pull it around but it looks like they will be eventually enough evidence for even the Republicans to get in on the impeachment. And Mike Pence would probably also have to go putting in someone that the Republican Establishment would really be able to back. Shades of Watergate and what happened with Nixon and Agnew. They brought in Ford. Vice President Agnew resigns - Oct 10, 1973 - HISTORY.com (http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/vice-president-agnew-resigns)

[graciegirl]

I still think he will be impeached once they have enough evidence to present to the American people. He actually does not seem at all popular to the Washington establishment nor to most of the media. And I mean both those on the left and the right.

I feel sorry for Ivanka Trump and her husband. They look like good people in a very bad situation of dealing with a man whose ambitions could not match his abilities. If he got some really talented people in his Cabinet he might be able to pull it around but it looks like they will be eventually enough evidence for even the Republicans to get in on the impeachment. And Mike Pence would probably also have to go putting in someone that the Republican Establishment would really be able to back. Shades of Watergate and what happened with Nixon and Agnew. They brought in Ford. Vice President Agnew resigns - Oct 10, 1973 - HISTORY.com (http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/vice-president-agnew-resigns)

Perhaps. But Trump had power. Money is power. I know you will argue he wanted another kind. Power corrupts and I think that Obama trying to keep his foothold and work subversibly is proof of that. Dirty business. And not new. One thing I know. NO ONE can BUY Donald Trump. He is NOT a politician and that makes me happy. Charles Bucco will present an angered argument that I am stupid and he can't see why I can't see DT is lying, but I say, that is yet to be proved and could very well be incorrect. I am old..........and patient. I will wait and see what history says.

[Cedwards38]

:1rotfl:

[Taltarzac725]

:1rotfl:

Trump sure keeps the fact checkers extremely busy.

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