Trump supporters were more motivated by racism than economic issues

[wjboyer1]

Mehdi Hasan
April 6 2017,

Philip Klinkner, a political scientist at Hamilton College and an expert on race relations, has pored over this ANES data and tells me that “whether it’s good politics to say so or not, the evidence from the 2016 election is very clear that attitudes about blacks, immigrants, and Muslims were a key component of Trump’s appeal.” For example, he says, “in 2016 Trump did worse than Mitt Romney among voters with low and moderate levels of racial resentment, but much better among those with high levels of resentment.”

The new ANES data only confirms what a plethora of studies have told us since the start of the presidential campaign: the race was about race. Klinkner himself grabbed headlines last summer when he revealed that the best way to identify a Trump supporter in the U.S. was to ask “just one simple question: is Barack Obama a Muslim?” Because, he said, “if they are white and the answer is yes, 89 percent of the time that person will have a higher opinion of Trump than Clinton.” This is economic anxiety? Really?

Other surveys and polls of Trump voters found “a strong relationship between anti-black attitudes and support for Trump”; Trump supporters being “more likely to describe African Americans as ‘criminal,’ ‘unintelligent,’ ‘lazy’ and ‘violent’”; more likely to believe “people of color are taking white jobs”; and a “majority” of them rating blacks “as less evolved than whites.” Sorry, but how can any of these prejudices be blamed on free trade or low wages?

For Sanders, Warren and others on the left, the economy is what matters most and class is everything. Yet the empirical evidence just isn’t there to support them. Yes Trump won a (big) majority of non-college-educated whites, but he also won a majority of college-educated whites, too. He won more young white voters than Clinton did and also a majority of white women; he managed to win white votes regardless of age, gender, income or education. Class wasn’t everything in 2016. In a recent essay in The Nation, analysts Sean McElwee and Jason McDaniel point out that “income predicted support for McCain and Romney, but not Trump.” Their conclusion? “Racial identity and attitudes have further displaced class as the central battleground of American politics.”



Pro-Trump supporters take part in a "Make America Great Again" rally in Salem, Ore., on March 25, 2017. (Photo by Alex Milan Tracy) *** Please Use Credit from Credit Field ***(Sipa via AP Images) Trump supporters take part in a “Make America Great Again” rally in Salem, Ore., on March 25, 2017. Photo: Alex Milan Tracy/Sipa USA/AP
Their view is backed by a detailed Gallup analysis of interviews with a whopping 125,000 Americans, which found that Trump supporters, far from being the “left behind” or the losers of globalization, “earn relatively high household incomes and are no less likely to be unemployed or exposed to competition through trade or immigration.” The “bottom line” for Gallup’s senior economist Jonathan Rothwell? “Trump’s popularity cannot be neatly linked to economic hardship.”

Look, if you still believe that Trump’s appeal was rooted in economic, and not racial, anxiety, ask yourself the following questions: Why did a majority of Americans earning less than $50,000 a year vote for Clinton, not Trump, according to the exit polls? Why, in the key Rust Belt swing states of Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, did most voters who cited the economy as “the most important issue facing the country” opt for Hillary over the Donald? And why didn’t black or Latino working class voters flock to Trump with the same fervor as white working class voters? Or does their economic insecurity not count?

To be clear, no one is saying there weren’t any legitimate economic grievances in Trumpland, nor is anyone claiming that the economy played no role whatsoever. The point, however, is that it wasn’t the major motivating factor for most Trump voters — or, at least, that’s what we learn when we bother to study those voters. Race trumped economics.

Defenders of the economy narrative have a “gotcha” question of their own: how can racial resentment have motivated Trump supporters when so many of them voted for Barack Obama, across the Rust Belt, in 2008 and 2012? “They’re not racists,” filmmaker Michael Moore passionately argued last November. “They twice voted for a man whose middle name is Hussein.”

Klinkner, though, gives short shrift to this argument. First, he tells me, “most of them didn’t vote for Obama. There weren’t many vote switchers between 2012 and 2016.” Second, “working class whites shifted to Trump less because they were working class than because they were white.” Klinkner points out that in 2016, Clinton, unlike Obama, faced a Republican candidate who “pushed the buttons of race and nativism in open and explicit ways that John McCain and Mitt Romney were unwilling or unable to do.”

TAMPA, FL - FEBRUARY 12: People hold signs that read, " Build that Wall", as they wait for the start of a campaign rally for Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump at the University of South Florida Sun Dome on February 12, 2016 in Tampa, Florida. The process to select the next Democratic and Republican Presidential candidate continues. (Photo by Joe Raedle/Getty Images) People hold signs before a campaign rally for Donald Trump on Feb. 12, 2016 in Tampa, Fla. Photo: Joe Raedle/Getty Images
If Democrats are going to have any chance of winning back the White House in 2020, they have to understand why they lost in 2016, and that understanding has to be based on facts and figures, however inconvenient or awkward. The Sanders/Warren/Moore wing of the party is right to focus on fair trade and income equality; the calls for higher wages and better regulation are morally and economically correct. What they are not, however, is some sort of silver bullet to solve the issue of racism. As the University of California’s Michael Tesler, author of “Post-Racial or Most-Racial? Race and Politics in the Obama Era,” has pointed out, the “evidence suggests that racial resentment is driving economic anxiety, not the other way around.”

Always remember: You have to identify the disease before you can begin work on a cure. In the case of support for Donald Trump, the results are in: It isn’t the economy. It’s the racism, stupid.

[jchase]

Go play golf

[graciegirl]

Mehdi Hasan
April 6 2017,

Philip Klinkner, a political scientist at Hamilton College and an expert on race relations, has pored over this ANES data and tells me that “whether it’s good politics to say so or not, the evidence from the 2016 election is very clear that attitudes about blacks, immigrants, and Muslims were a key component of Trump’s appeal.” For example, he says, “in 2016 Trump did worse than Mitt Romney among voters with low and moderate levels of racial resentment, but much better among those with high levels of resentment.”

The new ANES data only confirms what a plethora of studies have told us since the start of the presidential campaign: the race was about race. Klinkner himself grabbed headlines last summer when he revealed that the best way to identify a Trump supporter in the U.S. was to ask “just one simple question: is Barack Obama a Muslim?” Because, he said, “if they are white and the answer is yes, 89 percent of the time that person will have a higher opinion of Trump than Clinton.” This is economic anxiety? Really?

Other surveys and polls of Trump voters found “a strong relationship between anti-black attitudes and support for Trump”; Trump supporters being “more likely to describe African Americans as ‘criminal,’ ‘unintelligent,’ ‘lazy’ and ‘violent’”; more likely to believe “people of color are taking white jobs”; and a “majority” of them rating blacks “as less evolved than whites.” Sorry, but how can any of these prejudices be blamed on free trade or low wages?

For Sanders, Warren and others on the left, the economy is what matters most and class is everything. Yet the empirical evidence just isn’t there to support them. Yes Trump won a (big) majority of non-college-educated whites, but he also won a majority of college-educated whites, too. He won more young white voters than Clinton did and also a majority of white women; he managed to win white votes regardless of age, gender, income or education. Class wasn’t everything in 2016. In a recent essay in The Nation, analysts Sean McElwee and Jason McDaniel point out that “income predicted support for McCain and Romney, but not Trump.” Their conclusion? “Racial identity and attitudes have further displaced class as the central battleground of American politics.”



Pro-Trump supporters take part in a "Make America Great Again" rally in Salem, Ore., on March 25, 2017. (Photo by Alex Milan Tracy) *** Please Use Credit from Credit Field ***(Sipa via AP Images) Trump supporters take part in a “Make America Great Again” rally in Salem, Ore., on March 25, 2017. Photo: Alex Milan Tracy/Sipa USA/AP
Their view is backed by a detailed Gallup analysis of interviews with a whopping 125,000 Americans, which found that Trump supporters, far from being the “left behind” or the losers of globalization, “earn relatively high household incomes and are no less likely to be unemployed or exposed to competition through trade or immigration.” The “bottom line” for Gallup’s senior economist Jonathan Rothwell? “Trump’s popularity cannot be neatly linked to economic hardship.”

Look, if you still believe that Trump’s appeal was rooted in economic, and not racial, anxiety, ask yourself the following questions: Why did a majority of Americans earning less than $50,000 a year vote for Clinton, not Trump, according to the exit polls? Why, in the key Rust Belt swing states of Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, did most voters who cited the economy as “the most important issue facing the country” opt for Hillary over the Donald? And why didn’t black or Latino working class voters flock to Trump with the same fervor as white working class voters? Or does their economic insecurity not count?

To be clear, no one is saying there weren’t any legitimate economic grievances in Trumpland, nor is anyone claiming that the economy played no role whatsoever. The point, however, is that it wasn’t the major motivating factor for most Trump voters — or, at least, that’s what we learn when we bother to study those voters. Race trumped economics.

Defenders of the economy narrative have a “gotcha” question of their own: how can racial resentment have motivated Trump supporters when so many of them voted for Barack Obama, across the Rust Belt, in 2008 and 2012? “They’re not racists,” filmmaker Michael Moore passionately argued last November. “They twice voted for a man whose middle name is Hussein.”

Klinkner, though, gives short shrift to this argument. First, he tells me, “most of them didn’t vote for Obama. There weren’t many vote switchers between 2012 and 2016.” Second, “working class whites shifted to Trump less because they were working class than because they were white.” Klinkner points out that in 2016, Clinton, unlike Obama, faced a Republican candidate who “pushed the buttons of race and nativism in open and explicit ways that John McCain and Mitt Romney were unwilling or unable to do.”

TAMPA, FL - FEBRUARY 12: People hold signs that read, " Build that Wall", as they wait for the start of a campaign rally for Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump at the University of South Florida Sun Dome on February 12, 2016 in Tampa, Florida. The process to select the next Democratic and Republican Presidential candidate continues. (Photo by Joe Raedle/Getty Images) People hold signs before a campaign rally for Donald Trump on Feb. 12, 2016 in Tampa, Fla. Photo: Joe Raedle/Getty Images
If Democrats are going to have any chance of winning back the White House in 2020, they have to understand why they lost in 2016, and that understanding has to be based on facts and figures, however inconvenient or awkward. The Sanders/Warren/Moore wing of the party is right to focus on fair trade and income equality; the calls for higher wages and better regulation are morally and economically correct. What they are not, however, is some sort of silver bullet to solve the issue of racism. As the University of California’s Michael Tesler, author of “Post-Racial or Most-Racial? Race and Politics in the Obama Era,” has pointed out, the “evidence suggests that racial resentment is driving economic anxiety, not the other way around.”

Always remember: You have to identify the disease before you can begin work on a cure. In the case of support for Donald Trump, the results are in: It isn’t the economy. It’s the racism, stupid.


Correct me if I am wrong, but here is what I found.
Hamilton College in Clinton New York has less than two thousand students enrolled.

Controversies[edit]
In 2002, then-President Eugene Tobin resigned after admitting that he had failed to give proper attribution to quoted material in speeches.[40]
The college's decision in 2004 to hire Sue Rosenberg, a former political radical and ex-convict who had served 16 years in federal prison for possession of explosives and weapons, was criticized. She was implicated, but not indicted, in the 1981 Brinks robbery during which two policemen and an armed Brinks guard were killed.[41]
In 2005, efforts to bring the scholar Ward Churchill to speak on campus were controversial, as he had aroused considerable hostility due to his remarks following the 9/11 attacks in which he compared the victims to Nazis. His appearance was cancelled due to protests.[42][43][44]
Professor Robert L. Paquette complained when an independent student group brought Annie Sprinkle an actress and former porn-star, as a speaker.[45] Paquette later led an attempt to create the Alexander Hamilton Center on campus, but it was unsuccessful.[46]
College songs[edit

Grace Gantner, friend of the BVM.

[wjboyer1]

Correct me if I am wrong, but here is what I found.
Hamilton College in Clinton New York has less than two thousand students enrolled.

Controversies[edit]
In 2002, then-President Eugene Tobin resigned after admitting that he had failed to give proper attribution to quoted material in speeches.[40]
The college's decision in 2004 to hire Sue Rosenberg, a former political radical and ex-convict who had served 16 years in federal prison for possession of explosives and weapons, was criticized. She was implicated, but not indicted, in the 1981 Brinks robbery during which two policemen and an armed Brinks guard were killed.[41]
In 2005, efforts to bring the scholar Ward Churchill to speak on campus were controversial, as he had aroused considerable hostility due to his remarks following the 9/11 attacks in which he compared the victims to Nazis. His appearance was cancelled due to protests.[42][43][44]
Professor Robert L. Paquette complained when an independent student group brought Annie Sprinkle an actress and former porn-star, as a speaker.[45] Paquette later led an attempt to create the Alexander Hamilton Center on campus, but it was unsuccessful.[46]
College songs[edit

Grace Gantner, friend of the BVM.

Evidently, racism and misdirection are two qualities used by those who idolize Trump

[billethkid]

Mehdi Hasan
April 6 2017,

Philip Klinkner, a political scientist at Hamilton College and an expert on race relations, has pored over this ANES data and tells me that “whether it’s good politics to say so or not, the evidence from the 2016 election is very clear that attitudes about blacks, immigrants, and Muslims were a key component of Trump’s appeal.” For example, he says, “in 2016 Trump did worse than Mitt Romney among voters with low and moderate levels of racial resentment, but much better among those with high levels of resentment.”

The new ANES data only confirms what a plethora of studies have told us since the start of the presidential campaign: the race was about race. Klinkner himself grabbed headlines last summer when he revealed that the best way to identify a Trump supporter in the U.S. was to ask “just one simple question: is Barack Obama a Muslim?” Because, he said, “if they are white and the answer is yes, 89 percent of the time that person will have a higher opinion of Trump than Clinton.” This is economic anxiety? Really?

Other surveys and polls of Trump voters found “a strong relationship between anti-black attitudes and support for Trump”; Trump supporters being “more likely to describe African Americans as ‘criminal,’ ‘unintelligent,’ ‘lazy’ and ‘violent’”; more likely to believe “people of color are taking white jobs”; and a “majority” of them rating blacks “as less evolved than whites.” Sorry, but how can any of these prejudices be blamed on free trade or low wages?

For Sanders, Warren and others on the left, the economy is what matters most and class is everything. Yet the empirical evidence just isn’t there to support them. Yes Trump won a (big) majority of non-college-educated whites, but he also won a majority of college-educated whites, too. He won more young white voters than Clinton did and also a majority of white women; he managed to win white votes regardless of age, gender, income or education. Class wasn’t everything in 2016. In a recent essay in The Nation, analysts Sean McElwee and Jason McDaniel point out that “income predicted support for McCain and Romney, but not Trump.” Their conclusion? “Racial identity and attitudes have further displaced class as the central battleground of American politics.”



Pro-Trump supporters take part in a "Make America Great Again" rally in Salem, Ore., on March 25, 2017. (Photo by Alex Milan Tracy) *** Please Use Credit from Credit Field ***(Sipa via AP Images) Trump supporters take part in a “Make America Great Again” rally in Salem, Ore., on March 25, 2017. Photo: Alex Milan Tracy/Sipa USA/AP
Their view is backed by a detailed Gallup analysis of interviews with a whopping 125,000 Americans, which found that Trump supporters, far from being the “left behind” or the losers of globalization, “earn relatively high household incomes and are no less likely to be unemployed or exposed to competition through trade or immigration.” The “bottom line” for Gallup’s senior economist Jonathan Rothwell? “Trump’s popularity cannot be neatly linked to economic hardship.”

Look, if you still believe that Trump’s appeal was rooted in economic, and not racial, anxiety, ask yourself the following questions: Why did a majority of Americans earning less than $50,000 a year vote for Clinton, not Trump, according to the exit polls? Why, in the key Rust Belt swing states of Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, did most voters who cited the economy as “the most important issue facing the country” opt for Hillary over the Donald? And why didn’t black or Latino working class voters flock to Trump with the same fervor as white working class voters? Or does their economic insecurity not count?

To be clear, no one is saying there weren’t any legitimate economic grievances in Trumpland, nor is anyone claiming that the economy played no role whatsoever. The point, however, is that it wasn’t the major motivating factor for most Trump voters — or, at least, that’s what we learn when we bother to study those voters. Race trumped economics.

Defenders of the economy narrative have a “gotcha” question of their own: how can racial resentment have motivated Trump supporters when so many of them voted for Barack Obama, across the Rust Belt, in 2008 and 2012? “They’re not racists,” filmmaker Michael Moore passionately argued last November. “They twice voted for a man whose middle name is Hussein.”

Klinkner, though, gives short shrift to this argument. First, he tells me, “most of them didn’t vote for Obama. There weren’t many vote switchers between 2012 and 2016.” Second, “working class whites shifted to Trump less because they were working class than because they were white.” Klinkner points out that in 2016, Clinton, unlike Obama, faced a Republican candidate who “pushed the buttons of race and nativism in open and explicit ways that John McCain and Mitt Romney were unwilling or unable to do.”

TAMPA, FL - FEBRUARY 12: People hold signs that read, " Build that Wall", as they wait for the start of a campaign rally for Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump at the University of South Florida Sun Dome on February 12, 2016 in Tampa, Florida. The process to select the next Democratic and Republican Presidential candidate continues. (Photo by Joe Raedle/Getty Images) People hold signs before a campaign rally for Donald Trump on Feb. 12, 2016 in Tampa, Fla. Photo: Joe Raedle/Getty Images
If Democrats are going to have any chance of winning back the White House in 2020, they have to understand why they lost in 2016, and that understanding has to be based on facts and figures, however inconvenient or awkward. The Sanders/Warren/Moore wing of the party is right to focus on fair trade and income equality; the calls for higher wages and better regulation are morally and economically correct. What they are not, however, is some sort of silver bullet to solve the issue of racism. As the University of California’s Michael Tesler, author of “Post-Racial or Most-Racial? Race and Politics in the Obama Era,” has pointed out, the “evidence suggests that racial resentment is driving economic anxiety, not the other way around.”

Always remember: You have to identify the disease before you can begin work on a cure. In the case of support for Donald Trump, the results are in: It isn’t the economy. It’s the racism, stupid.

Resistance party members when they find ANYTHING that matches their agenda they parrot and amplify.

They generalize isolated incidents.

Whatever keeps them happy as they get used to the idea they lost the election.

[rubicon]

Correct me if I am wrong, but here is what I found.
Hamilton College in Clinton New York has less than two thousand students enrolled.

Controversies[edit]
In 2002, then-President Eugene Tobin resigned after admitting that he had failed to give proper attribution to quoted material in speeches.[40]
The college's decision in 2004 to hire Sue Rosenberg, a former political radical and ex-convict who had served 16 years in federal prison for possession of explosives and weapons, was criticized. She was implicated, but not indicted, in the 1981 Brinks robbery during which two policemen and an armed Brinks guard were killed.[41]
In 2005, efforts to bring the scholar Ward Churchill to speak on campus were controversial, as he had aroused considerable hostility due to his remarks following the 9/11 attacks in which he compared the victims to Nazis. His appearance was cancelled due to protests.[42][43][44]
Professor Robert L. Paquette complained when an independent student group brought Annie Sprinkle an actress and former porn-star, as a speaker.[45] Paquette later led an attempt to create the Alexander Hamilton Center on campus, but it was unsuccessful.[46]
College songs[edit

Grace Gantner, friend of the BVM.

Hamilton College is located in Clinton, N Y a well treed and idyllic setting. Hamilton College has always been ultra-liberal.

[graciegirl]

Evidently, racism and misdirection are two qualities used by those who idolize Trump

Well, to defend myself, you didn't link us to the article.

I have never heard of either Klinkner or Mehdi Hasam.

or Hamilton College.

[graciegirl]

Mehdi Hasan
April 6 2017,

Philip Klinkner, a political scientist at Hamilton College and an expert on race relations, has pored over this ANES data and tells me that “whether it’s good politics to say so or not, the evidence from the 2016 election is very clear that attitudes about blacks, immigrants, and Muslims were a key component of Trump’s appeal.” For example, he says, “in 2016 Trump did worse than Mitt Romney among voters with low and moderate levels of racial resentment, but much better among those with high levels of resentment.”

The new ANES data only confirms what a plethora of studies have told us since the start of the presidential campaign: the race was about race. Klinkner himself grabbed headlines last summer when he revealed that the best way to identify a Trump supporter in the U.S. was to ask “just one simple question: is Barack Obama a Muslim?” Because, he said, “if they are white and the answer is yes, 89 percent of the time that person will have a higher opinion of Trump than Clinton.” This is economic anxiety? Really?

Other surveys and polls of Trump voters found “a strong relationship between anti-black attitudes and support for Trump”; Trump supporters being “more likely to describe African Americans as ‘criminal,’ ‘unintelligent,’ ‘lazy’ and ‘violent’”; more likely to believe “people of color are taking white jobs”; and a “majority” of them rating blacks “as less evolved than whites.” Sorry, but how can any of these prejudices be blamed on free trade or low wages?

For Sanders, Warren and others on the left, the economy is what matters most and class is everything. Yet the empirical evidence just isn’t there to support them. Yes Trump won a (big) majority of non-college-educated whites, but he also won a majority of college-educated whites, too. He won more young white voters than Clinton did and also a majority of white women; he managed to win white votes regardless of age, gender, income or education. Class wasn’t everything in 2016. In a recent essay in The Nation, analysts Sean McElwee and Jason McDaniel point out that “income predicted support for McCain and Romney, but not Trump.” Their conclusion? “Racial identity and attitudes have further displaced class as the central battleground of American politics.”



Pro-Trump supporters take part in a "Make America Great Again" rally in Salem, Ore., on March 25, 2017. (Photo by Alex Milan Tracy) *** Please Use Credit from Credit Field ***(Sipa via AP Images) Trump supporters take part in a “Make America Great Again” rally in Salem, Ore., on March 25, 2017. Photo: Alex Milan Tracy/Sipa USA/AP
Their view is backed by a detailed Gallup analysis of interviews with a whopping 125,000 Americans, which found that Trump supporters, far from being the “left behind” or the losers of globalization, “earn relatively high household incomes and are no less likely to be unemployed or exposed to competition through trade or immigration.” The “bottom line” for Gallup’s senior economist Jonathan Rothwell? “Trump’s popularity cannot be neatly linked to economic hardship.”

Look, if you still believe that Trump’s appeal was rooted in economic, and not racial, anxiety, ask yourself the following questions: Why did a majority of Americans earning less than $50,000 a year vote for Clinton, not Trump, according to the exit polls? Why, in the key Rust Belt swing states of Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, did most voters who cited the economy as “the most important issue facing the country” opt for Hillary over the Donald? And why didn’t black or Latino working class voters flock to Trump with the same fervor as white working class voters? Or does their economic insecurity not count?

To be clear, no one is saying there weren’t any legitimate economic grievances in Trumpland, nor is anyone claiming that the economy played no role whatsoever. The point, however, is that it wasn’t the major motivating factor for most Trump voters — or, at least, that’s what we learn when we bother to study those voters. Race trumped economics.

Defenders of the economy narrative have a “gotcha” question of their own: how can racial resentment have motivated Trump supporters when so many of them voted for Barack Obama, across the Rust Belt, in 2008 and 2012? “They’re not racists,” filmmaker Michael Moore passionately argued last November. “They twice voted for a man whose middle name is Hussein.”

Klinkner, though, gives short shrift to this argument. First, he tells me, “most of them didn’t vote for Obama. There weren’t many vote switchers between 2012 and 2016.” Second, “working class whites shifted to Trump less because they were working class than because they were white.” Klinkner points out that in 2016, Clinton, unlike Obama, faced a Republican candidate who “pushed the buttons of race and nativism in open and explicit ways that John McCain and Mitt Romney were unwilling or unable to do.”

TAMPA, FL - FEBRUARY 12: People hold signs that read, " Build that Wall", as they wait for the start of a campaign rally for Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump at the University of South Florida Sun Dome on February 12, 2016 in Tampa, Florida. The process to select the next Democratic and Republican Presidential candidate continues. (Photo by Joe Raedle/Getty Images) People hold signs before a campaign rally for Donald Trump on Feb. 12, 2016 in Tampa, Fla. Photo: Joe Raedle/Getty Images
If Democrats are going to have any chance of winning back the White House in 2020, they have to understand why they lost in 2016, and that understanding has to be based on facts and figures, however inconvenient or awkward. The Sanders/Warren/Moore wing of the party is right to focus on fair trade and income equality; the calls for higher wages and better regulation are morally and economically correct. What they are not, however, is some sort of silver bullet to solve the issue of racism. As the University of California’s Michael Tesler, author of “Post-Racial or Most-Racial? Race and Politics in the Obama Era,” has pointed out, the “evidence suggests that racial resentment is driving economic anxiety, not the other way around.”

Always remember: You have to identify the disease before you can begin work on a cure. In the case of support for Donald Trump, the results are in: It isn’t the economy. It’s the racism, stupid.

Are you talking about the majority opinion in this country of not wanting to accept refugees from countries with extreme Islam????

[rubicon]

The content of post #1 is illustrative of the victimization undertone that has permeated the progressive culture for these many years. Everything and anything about the progressive platform contains only one explanation for these social justice warriors and it can be defined using one word arguments, racist, homophobic, misogynist. reason and logic have no place in their agenda.

Application of Occam Razor would lead one to logically conclude that people disliked Obama because he was incompetent, and a socialist and did not believe he was taking the country in the right direction. Clinton ran on his platform and did so with some of the worse baggage ever carried by a candidate. But it was racism that created Clinton's loss, or perhaps the Russian..no no it was Comey's fault

Why is it progressives can make unsubstantiated claims against Trump with impunity but claims against Obama are racially motivated? Why is it that Hillary's loss was not her and her party's fault?

Again we find evidence Trump Derangement Syndrome which I am beginning to believe is going to be a condition with long lasting residuals for many progressives.

Personal Best Regards:

[Taltarzac725]

Top Democrats Are Wrong: Trump Supporters Were More Motivated by Racism Than Economic Issues (https://theintercept.com/2017/04/06/top-democrats-are-wrong-trump-supporters-were-more-motivated-by-racism-than-economic-issues/)

Seems too simplistic to me. Some Republicans probably did base their vote for Trump on their dislike of President Barack Obama.

[Don Baldwin]

Hamilton College is located in Clinton, N Y a well treed and idyllic setting. Hamilton College has always been ultra-liberal.

Lets see the REAL reason Clinton NY is idyllic...

Clinton, New York (NY 13323) profile: population, maps, real estate, averages, homes, statistics, relocation, travel, jobs, hospitals, schools, crime, moving, houses, news, sex offenders (http://www.city-data.com/city/Clinton-New-York.html)

http://pics.city-data.com/craces2/16789.jpg

It's MOSTLY white...like the villages...like EVERY other IDYLLIC place.

How many idyllic places are 94% black?

NONE...

It's them stupid...they're NOT us.

"Likely homosexual households (counted as self-reported same-sex unmarried-partner households)

Lesbian couples: 0.3% of all households
Gay men: 0.1% of all households"

"Unemployed percentage significantly below state average.
Black race population percentage significantly below state average.
Hispanic race population percentage significantly below state average.
Foreign-born population percentage significantly below state average."

Clinton, NY crime rates and statistics - NeighborhoodScout (https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ny/clinton/crime)

"Safer than 92% of U.S. Cities "

The really SAD thing is...all the stuff the OP said in his opening post...are true...and yet you deny it and mock those who tell you the truth about them.

WHERE ARE THEY EVER SUCCESSFUL???

[MDLNB]

I guess I am a racist because I didn't vote for Killary? I voted for the former Democrat, Trump (the orange guy) rather than the Socialist Criminal Killary (the white woman) so that makes me a racist.

[dirtbanker]

Well, to defend myself, you didn't link us to the article.

Gracie -
Liberals are not required to provide links in this forum...(unt and Rockface only attack conservatives (accusing them of plagiarism) for not providing links...

[Taltarzac725]

I guess I am a racist because I didn't vote for Killary? I voted for the former Democrat, Trump (the orange guy) rather than the Socialist Criminal Killary (the white woman) so that makes me a racist.

He is only orange because he seems to have not learned how to operate a tanning bed or tanning spray properly or perhaps he likes being orange to go with that ridiculous hair style of his.

[ColdNoMore]

Gracie -
Liberals are not required to provide links in this forum...(unt and Rockface only attack conservatives (accusing them of plagiarism) for not providing links...

Lying through your teeth again I see. :1rotfl:

Rocky and I are the primary ones that DO provide links...and quote the statements in those links.

You're the sniveling little scum that whines... when we do it. :oops:



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

[dirtbanker]

For Sanders, Warren and others on the left, the economy is what matters most and class is everything. Yet the empirical evidence just isn’t there to support them. Yes Trump won a (big) majority of non-college-educated whites, but he also won a majority of college-educated whites, too. He won more young white voters than Clinton did and also a majority of white women; he managed to win white votes regardless of age, gender, income or education. Class wasn’t everything in 2016. In a recent essay in The Nation, analysts Sean McElwee and Jason McDaniel point out that “income predicted support for McCain and Romney, but not Trump.” Their conclusion? “Racial identity and attitudes have further displaced class as the central battleground of American politics.”

A lot of the so called data of this study would have to be derived from personal opinion. The ANES data does not track "racial resentment"...

The so called "study" does not say Trump made the people racially divided...I wonder who is responsible for the decline in racial relations in this country? I don't believe we can blame the KKK...

[Taltarzac725]

Okay, let's talk about why Trump is so orange (http://www.w24.co.za/Beauty/Skin/okay-lets-talk-about-why-trump-is-so-orange-20161111)

An orange link.

[ColdNoMore]

As for the topic of the thread... "Trump supporters were more motivated by racism than economic issues"...that explains only part of the Trump Cultists blindness and ignorance.

While it is true that Chump's racism/bigotry/misogyny appealed to a large swath of whites (males in particular), it was the deep-seated hatred of Hillary, instead of a concern of having a competent leader of this great nation...that was also a big driving factor for Trump voters.

We know for sure, it had nothing to do with economic issues.

In fact, this skit PERFECTLY sums up Trump's Cultists. :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL7kenX3Vu8


One only has to see the most ridiculous of defenses for Trump's indefensible lies and actions...to recognize the truth of this. :thumbup:



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

[dirtbanker]

As for the topic of the thread... Trump supporters were more motivated by racism than economic issues"that explains only part of the Trump Cultists blindness and ignorance.

While it is true that Chump's racism/bigotry/misogyny appealed to a large swath of whites (males in particular), it was the deep-seated hatred of Hillary, instead of a concern of having a competent leader of this great nation...that was also a big driving factor for Trump voters.

We know for sure, it had nothing to do with economic issues.

One only has to see the most ridiculous of defenses for Trump's indefensible lies and actions...to recognize the truth of this.

Deepest Sincere Wishes:

Yes, who is responsible for the decline in racial relations in this country? It was not purported as Trump or the KKK...I don't believe we can blame Ol Don either...

The deep seated hatred of Crooked Hillary was due to her own actions. Trump certainly did not make her use her personal server to handle classified information, he did not make her lie about the contents of the emails she handled on non secure devices, he did not make her accept donations from people that treat women and blacks like cattle...

Was it white males in particular? Is that your opinion?? Because the study cited "a majority of white women"...

You know for sure it had nothing to do with economic issues...another of your opinions...I voted for Trump because I agreed that this country needs to stop supporting the lazy, work or starve!

[Don Baldwin]

Yes, who is responsible for the decline in racial relations in this country? It was not purported as Trump or the KKK...I don't believe we can blame Ol Don either...

The deep seated hatred of Crooked Hillary was due to her own actions. Trump certainly did not make her use her personal server to handle classified information, he did not make her lie about the contents of the emails she handled on non secure devices, he did not make her accept donations from people that treat women and blacks like cattle...

Was it white males in particular? Is that your opinion?? Because the study cited "a majority of white women"...

You know for sure it had nothing to do with economic issues...another of your opinions...I voted for Trump because I agreed that this country needs to stop supporting the lazy, work or starve!

Johnson and his "great society"...boy, what a joke THAT name was! Should have been called..."Great Society KILLER". He began the racial tensions as obviously inferior blacks were placed ahead of more qualified whites with quotas. A "protected class" will NEVER be accepted as equals by those who lose because of it.

It should read: "hatred of MINORITIES was due to THEIR own actions." The villages is the paradise it is because THEY don't live here. THEIR ACTIONS are what destroys EVERYWHERE they go.

"Work or starve"? That's SLAVERY! You CAN'T MAKE black people do anything...because that's slavery. That is why we now have half the country receiving benefits. EVERYONE gets to be a slacker.

Disagree? Cite EXAMPLES...not opinion.

[dirtbanker]

Lying through your teeth again I see.

Rocky and I are the primary ones that DO provide links...and quote the statements in those links.

You're the sniveling little scum that whines... when we do it.



Deepest Sincere Wishes:
Learn to read dip$hit!
I said: YOU AND ROCKFACE ONLY ATTACK CONSERVATIVES FOR NOT INCLUDING THE LINK...another way to say it: you and Rockface do not attack liberals for not providing the link.



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[affald]

He is only orange because he seems to have not learned how to operate a tanning bed or tanning spray properly or perhaps he likes being orange to go with that ridiculous hair style of his.
"I don't really take anyone's opinion seriously until they live independently, have a job, pay their bills on time for a couple of decades, own property, pay taxes and raise a couple of kids."

Ty..iconic poster

[autumnspring]

Mehdi Hasan
April 6 2017,

Philip Klinkner, a political scientist at Hamilton College and an expert on race relations, has pored over this ANES data and tells me that “whether it’s good politics to say so or not, the evidence from the 2016 election is very clear that attitudes about blacks, immigrants, and Muslims were a key component of Trump’s appeal.” For example, he says, “in 2016 Trump did worse than Mitt Romney among voters with low and moderate levels of racial resentment, but much better among those with high levels of resentment.”

The new ANES data only confirms what a plethora of studies have told us since the start of the presidential campaign: the race was about race. Klinkner himself grabbed headlines last summer when he revealed that the best way to identify a Trump supporter in the U.S. was to ask “just one simple question: is Barack Obama a Muslim?” Because, he said, “if they are white and the answer is yes, 89 percent of the time that person will have a higher opinion of Trump than Clinton.” This is economic anxiety? Really?

Other surveys and polls of Trump voters found “a strong relationship between anti-black attitudes and support for Trump”; Trump supporters being “more likely to describe African Americans as ‘criminal,’ ‘unintelligent,’ ‘lazy’ and ‘violent’”; more likely to believe “people of color are taking white jobs”; and a “majority” of them rating blacks “as less evolved than whites.” Sorry, but how can any of these prejudices be blamed on free trade or low wages?

For Sanders, Warren and others on the left, the economy is what matters most and class is everything. Yet the empirical evidence just isn’t there to support them. Yes Trump won a (big) majority of non-college-educated whites, but he also won a majority of college-educated whites, too. He won more young white voters than Clinton did and also a majority of white women; he managed to win white votes regardless of age, gender, income or education. Class wasn’t everything in 2016. In a recent essay in The Nation, analysts Sean McElwee and Jason McDaniel point out that “income predicted support for McCain and Romney, but not Trump.” Their conclusion? “Racial identity and attitudes have further displaced class as the central battleground of American politics.”



Pro-Trump supporters take part in a "Make America Great Again" rally in Salem, Ore., on March 25, 2017. (Photo by Alex Milan Tracy) *** Please Use Credit from Credit Field ***(Sipa via AP Images) Trump supporters take part in a “Make America Great Again” rally in Salem, Ore., on March 25, 2017. Photo: Alex Milan Tracy/Sipa USA/AP
Their view is backed by a detailed Gallup analysis of interviews with a whopping 125,000 Americans, which found that Trump supporters, far from being the “left behind” or the losers of globalization, “earn relatively high household incomes and are no less likely to be unemployed or exposed to competition through trade or immigration.” The “bottom line” for Gallup’s senior economist Jonathan Rothwell? “Trump’s popularity cannot be neatly linked to economic hardship.”

Look, if you still believe that Trump’s appeal was rooted in economic, and not racial, anxiety, ask yourself the following questions: Why did a majority of Americans earning less than $50,000 a year vote for Clinton, not Trump, according to the exit polls? Why, in the key Rust Belt swing states of Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, did most voters who cited the economy as “the most important issue facing the country” opt for Hillary over the Donald? And why didn’t black or Latino working class voters flock to Trump with the same fervor as white working class voters? Or does their economic insecurity not count?

To be clear, no one is saying there weren’t any legitimate economic grievances in Trumpland, nor is anyone claiming that the economy played no role whatsoever. The point, however, is that it wasn’t the major motivating factor for most Trump voters — or, at least, that’s what we learn when we bother to study those voters. Race trumped economics.

Defenders of the economy narrative have a “gotcha” question of their own: how can racial resentment have motivated Trump supporters when so many of them voted for Barack Obama, across the Rust Belt, in 2008 and 2012? “They’re not racists,” filmmaker Michael Moore passionately argued last November. “They twice voted for a man whose middle name is Hussein.”

Klinkner, though, gives short shrift to this argument. First, he tells me, “most of them didn’t vote for Obama. There weren’t many vote switchers between 2012 and 2016.” Second, “working class whites shifted to Trump less because they were working class than because they were white.” Klinkner points out that in 2016, Clinton, unlike Obama, faced a Republican candidate who “pushed the buttons of race and nativism in open and explicit ways that John McCain and Mitt Romney were unwilling or unable to do.”

TAMPA, FL - FEBRUARY 12: People hold signs that read, " Build that Wall", as they wait for the start of a campaign rally for Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump at the University of South Florida Sun Dome on February 12, 2016 in Tampa, Florida. The process to select the next Democratic and Republican Presidential candidate continues. (Photo by Joe Raedle/Getty Images) People hold signs before a campaign rally for Donald Trump on Feb. 12, 2016 in Tampa, Fla. Photo: Joe Raedle/Getty Images
If Democrats are going to have any chance of winning back the White House in 2020, they have to understand why they lost in 2016, and that understanding has to be based on facts and figures, however inconvenient or awkward. The Sanders/Warren/Moore wing of the party is right to focus on fair trade and income equality; the calls for higher wages and better regulation are morally and economically correct. What they are not, however, is some sort of silver bullet to solve the issue of racism. As the University of California’s Michael Tesler, author of “Post-Racial or Most-Racial? Race and Politics in the Obama Era,” has pointed out, the “evidence suggests that racial resentment is driving economic anxiety, not the other way around.”

Always remember: You have to identify the disease before you can begin work on a cure. In the case of support for Donald Trump, the results are in: It isn’t the economy. It’s the racism, stupid.

A simple reply to tha accusation of RACISM is as foolish as a reply to the question,Do you still beat your wife?

You seem to believe that every minority is considered a race and racism applies. We should according to your view have affirmative action for left handed people. Jews are less than 2% of the American population yet, you do not think there should be affirmative action for Jews.

So let's talk about black and white which is what AMERICANS view as racial issues.

Obama a black SOCIALIST won his first election by 56% of the vote. Blacks are 13% of our population and Obama took 98% of the black vote. HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE THAT AS RACISM?

Had the non-black vote been as RACIST as the black vote was Obama would have received roughly 28% of the vote-the worst defeat in American history.

To get 56% of the non-black vote Obama would have received roughly 42% of the non-black vote.

You need to ask-WHY ARE YOU HERE?
If, you thin there is a better country to live in, a better city etc-ARE YOU NOT SAYING YOU ARE A FOOL???????

[autumnspring]

You PARROT the Sanders/Warren/ Moore wing of the party-higher wages etc.

This view too is simply STUPID. In the real world, NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH OBAMALAND, what people earn per hour simply does not matter. What does matter is how long you need to work to buy a given item. Sanders/Warren/Moore
AND APPARENTLY YOU are all socialists or Communists in the REAL WORLD, there is little difference. There is nothing wrong with socialism-EXCEPT THAT IT DOESN'T WORK. The reason the OBAMA government and the SOCIALISTS you mention want to raise minimum wage is because people INCLUDING YOURSELF do not realize that the reason is to increase inflation. Why do we need inflation-HAVE YOU BOTHERED TO ASK? Inflation rewards the borrower and steals from the saver. Our government is now the largest debtor in the world-DO YOU SEE THE LIGHT?
Look at the government posted NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK. The average American has 10,000 in savings and owes 285,000.

Ugly as it may seem to a socialist people work far harder for themselves and their family then for the mass of people.
By working hard for themselves the entire society benefits.
Simple PROOF-east vs west germany, north vs south korea.

TODAY WHILE THE COMMUNIST/SOCIALIST COUNTRIES SUCH AS RUSSIA AND CHINA MORE TOWARD MORE POLITICAL RIGHTS, TOWARD A MORE CAPITALISTIC ECONOMY AND THEIR PEOPLE HAVE IMPROVED THEIR ECONOMIC STANDING-YOU AND THE OTHER SOCIALIST WANT AMERICA TO MOVE TOWARD WHAT THEY HAVE DISCOVERED DOES NOT WORK.

[MDLNB]

He is only orange because he seems to have not learned how to operate a tanning bed or tanning spray properly or perhaps he likes being orange to go with that ridiculous hair style of his.

Racist. Color seems to mean a lot to you. I wonder what color you would be IF you ever went outside and exposed yourself to the sun.

[Taltarzac725]

Racist. Color seems to mean a lot to you. I wonder what color you would be IF you ever went outside and exposed yourself to the sun.

How does this is your warped mind equate to racism? Trump is white some of the time. Been kind of orange for years.

Is Donald Trump Orange Because He Eats Too Many Carrots? | Allure (http://www.allure.com/story/why-is-donald-trump-orange)

[MDLNB]

How does this is your warped mind equate to racism? Trump is white some of the time. Been kind of orange for years.

Is Donald Trump Orange Because He Eats Too Many Carrots? | Allure (http://www.allure.com/story/why-is-donald-trump-orange)

Hey Rainman, you are the supposed scholar. You figure it out. You ask a question, when you are the one that is supposed to have all the answers. Unfortunately for you, you have book learning and NO life learning. If you were as bright as you think you are, then you would not have voted for a LOSER. You would have been too smart to have made such a stupid mistake.

But, you are a miserable person that can't find anything wrong with Trump's policies, so you slur his image. You are NO better than those that made fun of Obama's race or his wife being ugly. Poor taste.

[rubicon]

Lets see the REAL reason Clinton NY is idyllic...

Clinton, New York (NY 13323) profile: population, maps, real estate, averages, homes, statistics, relocation, travel, jobs, hospitals, schools, crime, moving, houses, news, sex offenders (http://www.city-data.com/city/Clinton-New-York.html)

http://pics.city-data.com/craces2/16789.jpg

It's MOSTLY white...like the villages...like EVERY other IDYLLIC place.

How many idyllic places are 94% black?

NONE...

It's them stupid...they're NOT us.

"Likely homosexual households (counted as self-reported same-sex unmarried-partner households)

Lesbian couples: 0.3% of all households
Gay men: 0.1% of all households"

"Unemployed percentage significantly below state average.
Black race population percentage significantly below state average.
Hispanic race population percentage significantly below state average.
Foreign-born population percentage significantly below state average."

Clinton, NY crime rates and statistics - NeighborhoodScout (https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ny/clinton/crime)

"Safer than 92% of U.S. Cities "

The really SAD thing is...all the stuff the OP said in his opening post...are true...and yet you deny it and mock those who tell you the truth about them.

WHERE ARE THEY EVER SUCCESSFUL???

There you go again with your only focus on racial bias. I was speaking of its geographical location. It has the appearance of a quint and old New England town. I worked that area years back as part of my operating territory. Its the view I was addressing not its population which by the way is fluid given is a college town

Personal Best Regards:

[Topspinmo]

Mehdi Hasan
April 6 2017,

Philip Klinkner, a political scientist at Hamilton College and an expert on race relations, has pored over this ANES data and tells me that “whether it’s good politics to say so or not, the evidence from the 2016 election is very clear that attitudes about blacks, immigrants, and Muslims were a key component of Trump’s appeal.” For example, he says, “in 2016 Trump did worse than Mitt Romney among voters with low and moderate levels of racial resentment, but much better among those with high levels of resentment.”

The new ANES data only confirms what a plethora of studies have told us since the start of the presidential campaign: the race was about race. Klinkner himself grabbed headlines last summer when he revealed that the best way to identify a Trump supporter in the U.S. was to ask “just one simple question: is Barack Obama a Muslim?” Because, he said, “if they are white and the answer is yes, 89 percent of the time that person will have a higher opinion of Trump than Clinton.” This is economic anxiety? Really?

Other surveys and polls of Trump voters found “a strong relationship between anti-black attitudes and support for Trump”; Trump supporters being “more likely to describe African Americans as ‘criminal,’ ‘unintelligent,’ ‘lazy’ and ‘violent’”; more likely to believe “people of color are taking white jobs”; and a “majority” of them rating blacks “as less evolved than whites.” Sorry, but how can any of these prejudices be blamed on free trade or low wages?

For Sanders, Warren and others on the left, the economy is what matters most and class is everything. Yet the empirical evidence just isn’t there to support them. Yes Trump won a (big) majority of non-college-educated whites, but he also won a majority of college-educated whites, too. He won more young white voters than Clinton did and also a majority of white women; he managed to win white votes regardless of age, gender, income or education. Class wasn’t everything in 2016. In a recent essay in The Nation, analysts Sean McElwee and Jason McDaniel point out that “income predicted support for McCain and Romney, but not Trump.” Their conclusion? “Racial identity and attitudes have further displaced class as the central battleground of American politics.”



Pro-Trump supporters take part in a "Make America Great Again" rally in Salem, Ore., on March 25, 2017. (Photo by Alex Milan Tracy) *** Please Use Credit from Credit Field ***(Sipa via AP Images) Trump supporters take part in a “Make America Great Again” rally in Salem, Ore., on March 25, 2017. Photo: Alex Milan Tracy/Sipa USA/AP
Their view is backed by a detailed Gallup analysis of interviews with a whopping 125,000 Americans, which found that Trump supporters, far from being the “left behind” or the losers of globalization, “earn relatively high household incomes and are no less likely to be unemployed or exposed to competition through trade or immigration.” The “bottom line” for Gallup’s senior economist Jonathan Rothwell? “Trump’s popularity cannot be neatly linked to economic hardship.”

Look, if you still believe that Trump’s appeal was rooted in economic, and not racial, anxiety, ask yourself the following questions: Why did a majority of Americans earning less than $50,000 a year vote for Clinton, not Trump, according to the exit polls? Why, in the key Rust Belt swing states of Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, did most voters who cited the economy as “the most important issue facing the country” opt for Hillary over the Donald? And why didn’t black or Latino working class voters flock to Trump with the same fervor as white working class voters? Or does their economic insecurity not count?

To be clear, no one is saying there weren’t any legitimate economic grievances in Trumpland, nor is anyone claiming that the economy played no role whatsoever. The point, however, is that it wasn’t the major motivating factor for most Trump voters — or, at least, that’s what we learn when we bother to study those voters. Race trumped economics.

Defenders of the economy narrative have a “gotcha” question of their own: how can racial resentment have motivated Trump supporters when so many of them voted for Barack Obama, across the Rust Belt, in 2008 and 2012? “They’re not racists,” filmmaker Michael Moore passionately argued last November. “They twice voted for a man whose middle name is Hussein.”

Klinkner, though, gives short shrift to this argument. First, he tells me, “most of them didn’t vote for Obama. There weren’t many vote switchers between 2012 and 2016.” Second, “working class whites shifted to Trump less because they were working class than because they were white.” Klinkner points out that in 2016, Clinton, unlike Obama, faced a Republican candidate who “pushed the buttons of race and nativism in open and explicit ways that John McCain and Mitt Romney were unwilling or unable to do.”

TAMPA, FL - FEBRUARY 12: People hold signs that read, " Build that Wall", as they wait for the start of a campaign rally for Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump at the University of South Florida Sun Dome on February 12, 2016 in Tampa, Florida. The process to select the next Democratic and Republican Presidential candidate continues. (Photo by Joe Raedle/Getty Images) People hold signs before a campaign rally for Donald Trump on Feb. 12, 2016 in Tampa, Fla. Photo: Joe Raedle/Getty Images
If Democrats are going to have any chance of winning back the White House in 2020, they have to understand why they lost in 2016, and that understanding has to be based on facts and figures, however inconvenient or awkward. The Sanders/Warren/Moore wing of the party is right to focus on fair trade and income equality; the calls for higher wages and better regulation are morally and economically correct. What they are not, however, is some sort of silver bullet to solve the issue of racism. As the University of California’s Michael Tesler, author of “Post-Racial or Most-Racial? Race and Politics in the Obama Era,” has pointed out, the “evidence suggests that racial resentment is driving economic anxiety, not the other way around.”

Always remember: You have to identify the disease before you can begin work on a cure. In the case of support for Donald Trump, the results are in: It isn’t the economy. It’s the racism, stupid.

So say the liberal with load of horse manure

[rubicon]

As for the topic of the thread... "Trump supporters were more motivated by racism than economic issues"...that explains only part of the Trump Cultists blindness and ignorance.

While it is true that Chump's racism/bigotry/misogyny appealed to a large swath of whites (males in particular), it was the deep-seated hatred of Hillary, instead of a concern of having a competent leader of this great nation...that was also a big driving factor for Trump voters.
While it is true that Chump's racism/bigotry/misogyny appealed to a large swath of whites (males in particular), it was the deep-seated hatred of Hillary, instead of a concern of having a competent leader of this great nation...that was also a big driving factor for Trump voters.

We know for sure, it had nothing to do with economic issues.

In fact, this skit PERFECTLY sums up Trump's Cultists. :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL7kenX3Vu8


One only has to see the most ridiculous of defenses for Trump's indefensible lies and actions...to recognize the truth of this. :thumbup:



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

To begin with Alex Baldwin stated he was going to drop the SNL skit. I will leave it to you to believe why.

You claim above that what is true is that Chump racism/bigotry/misogny appealed to a large swath of whites.....

I do not see any bases for that claim. As to race and sexual orientation check out his companies and prove he has discriminatory practices . POINT OF FACT AND KEPT FROM VIEW BY THE MSM CNN HAS SEVERAL LAWSUITS FILED BY AFRICAN-AMERICANS FOR CNN'S DISCRIMINATORY PRACTICES.

As to women Trump's is no different than any other male who has the ability to attract women. and in his case he was a world renowned billionaire playboy. wow women swooning over him and making false accusation because they were jilted is a real surprise. a woman scorned...hmmm I also notice that progressives never mention Clinton and Trump in the same sentence .

Many progressives never seem to do well in the reality department so they invent their own rights, ethics, etc.

Simply stated Hillary was a very bad candidate with excessive baggage that should have landed her in jail. The far left progressive platform was not playing well with Americans. The results of their social justice war continue to show the manifest consequences. Progressives emotional outburst are counter-productive ,illogical and are creating insane demands by many minority groups.

It was Obama propensity and obsession as a community organizer to forgo being the leader and revert to creating havoc here and abroad with our allies.

Progressives misjudged real Americans and the demand for moving in the right direction. they underestimated Trump's ability and the Establishment, MSM, pundits, Hollywood celebs all ended up with egg on their faces and have not yet recovered. hence their tantrums.

Personal Best Regards:

[MDLNB]

Truth be told, Hillary and Obama have shown more racist tendencies than Trump has even been accused of. Hillary has had more association with the KKK than what Trump has been accused of. She has flipped on the gay marriage issue. Her association with Russia has been overlooked in favor of false accusations against Trump and his association with Russia. Obama has caused more racial tension and division in his tenure than any other president in history. Obama has shown that he has had treated Russia with kid gloves and endorsed Hillary's approval of the uranium sale to Russia. Obama removed our missile defense system from Europe after Russia demanded it.

All the things that Trump has been FALSELY accused of, the past administration has been guilty of.

[Don Baldwin]

There you go again with your only focus on racial bias. I was speaking of its geographical location. It has the appearance of a quint and old New England town. I worked that area years back as part of my operating territory. Its the view I was addressing not its population which by the way is fluid given is a college town

Personal Best Regards:

It was called "idyllic"...and I told you WHY it's idyllic...NO black people!

It's the SAME reason the villages is idyllic...NO black people!

Show me a place that is "idyllic" and it's FULL of black people...go ahead...I dare you.

There are NO "quaint New England towns" that are 99% black...not one. Why?

[Taltarzac725]

It was called "idyllic"...and I told you WHY it's idyllic...NO black people!

It's the SAME reason the villages is idyllic...NO black people!

Show me a place that is "idyllic" and it's FULL of black people...go ahead...I dare you.

There are NO "quaint New England towns" that are 99% black...not one. Why?

I hope some of the black people here in the Villages set you right about them Don. I have met about a dozen African-Americans and a few Africans here in the Villages. One was some kind of administrator for the NY City Subway system. Quite high up from what I remember and I seem to recall he was also born in Africa.

[Chi-Town]

Hey Rainman, you are the supposed scholar. You figure it out. You ask a question, when you are the one that is supposed to have all the answers. Unfortunately for you, you have book learning and NO life learning. If you were as bright as you think you are, then you would not have voted for a LOSER. You would have been too smart to have made such a stupid mistake.

But, you are a miserable person that can't find anything wrong with Trump's policies, so you slur his image. You are NO better than those that made fun of Obama's race or his wife being ugly. Poor taste.
Holy cow. CNM opened the door and now Tal is living in your head.

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[MDLNB]

Holy cow. CNM opened the door and now Tal is living in your head.

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Did Rainman move out of his parent's home and needs another rent free place to live?

Sorry, I guess I shouldn't lower myself to your level. I'll apologize to Jon the next time I see him. It's been a while.

[dirtbanker]

I hope some of the black people here in the Villages set you right about them Don. I have met about a dozen African-Americans and a few Africans here in the Villages. One was some kind of administrator for the NY City Subway system. Quite high up from what I remember and I seem to recall he was also born in Africa.

Why don't you set Don right? Why don't you do something for yourself??

"Quite high up from what I remember"...if the guy had a job and was only able to support himself, he would be quite higher up than you have ever been!




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[graciegirl]

Meet The Quadruplet Brothers Who Got Bids From Harvard And Yale. - Bing News (https://www.bing.com/news/search?q=Meet+The+Quadruplet+Brothers+Who+Got+Bids +From+Harvard+And+Yale.&qpvt=meet+the+quadruplet+brothers+who+got+bids+fro m+Harvard+and+Yale.&FORM=EWRE)

Our kids and grandkids graduated from this great school system just outside Cincinnati.

When we moved there it graduated mostly agriculture majors but many professionals moved to the area from all over the world (Korea, Viet Nam, India, Africa, China etc.) to work at Proctor and Gamble and General Electric. The new kids parents expected them to work hard and concentrate on school work and it raised the bar for everyone. Always hiring dedicated teachers and with much parent involvement, the school system was soon attracting families interested in a good education for their kids.



These young men are not only articulate, smart, and very polished, but charming and handsome. Their mom is a school principal and I expect to hear many more great things from them in the future.

[Don Baldwin]

Meet The Quadruplet Brothers Who Got Bids From Harvard And Yale. - Bing News (https://www.bing.com/news/search?q=Meet+The+Quadruplet+Brothers+Who+Got+Bids +From+Harvard+And+Yale.&qpvt=meet+the+quadruplet+brothers+who+got+bids+fro m+Harvard+and+Yale.&FORM=EWRE)

Our kids and grandkids graduated from this great school system just outside Cincinnati.

When we moved there it graduated mostly agriculture majors but many professionals moved to the area from all over the world (Korea, Viet Nam, India, Africa, China etc.) to work at Proctor and Gamble and General Electric. The new kids parents expected them to work hard and concentrate on school work and it raised the bar for everyone. Always hiring dedicated teachers and with much parent involvement, the school system was soon attracting families interested in a good education for their kids.



These young men are not only articulate, smart, and very polished, but charming and handsome. Their mom is a school principal and I expect to hear many more great things from them in the future.

The 1%...that's ALL we hear about...what about the OTHER 99% that destroy schools, neighborhoods, towns, cities, countries?

I've said it before...there are the 1% who ARE OK people...they're the "black geniuses"...it's the OTHER 99%...the baggage they bring with them. The ones who are living on MLK Blvd with NO CHANCE to amount to ANYTHING because they're literally sub-human.

[Taltarzac725]

The 1%...that's ALL we hear about...what about the OTHER 99% that destroy schools, neighborhoods, towns, cities, countries?

I've said it before...there are the 1% who ARE OK people...they're the "black geniuses"...it's the OTHER 99%...the baggage they bring with them. The ones who are living on MLK Blvd with NO CHANCE to amount to ANYTHING because they're literally sub-human.

How many of these people actually live at MLK BLVD and you probably have whites buying drugs and sex from some of these African-Americans.

Some of your reasoning is sub human and seems to come from the fight or flight reflex of our distant ancestors.

[Don Baldwin]

How many of these people actually live at MLK BLVD and you probably have whites buying drugs and sex from some of these African-Americans.

Some of your reasoning is sub human and seems to come from the fight or flight reflex of our distant ancestors.

Really Tal? Really? That's your retort? No Tal...they don't ALL live ON MLK Blvd...they live in the surrounding areas too... Ask CHI about Chicago...she'll tell you where NOT to go...while in the same breath insisting that they're the same as us and should be encouraged to move to the villages.

Why do I waste my time???

Oh yes...to SAVE the country, culture, and white race from idiots who couldn't pour **** from a boot.