Why has America become so partisan?

[Cedwards38]

I am sincerely curious.
And please try not to be partisan when you add your opinion. And remember, name calling simply displays your ignorance and lack of a real fact based argument. It is, however, ok to say things like "because the Republicans did this" or "because the Democrats did that."

OK, how about some rational opinions about this issue that seems to be ripping our country apart at the seams.

[mscocco]

I think blue lies in the party leaders in-fighting, egotism, and lack of trust for the other side. From there, those very same party leaders stifle the ability for individual representatives to even consider both sides of the argument by threatening their party members if they don't along party lines. They say they will lose support of the party in their re-election bids, will keep them off prestigious committees, and basically treat them as cast-offs, therefore it's these handful of party leaders that are the select, elite few, that drive the partisanship and ultimately what view each side takes.

Look at the Freedom caucus during the GOP healthcare proposal. This is how you CAN fight the party leadership..by banding together to oppose leadership and having enough to actually swing the vote. Party leadership can bully individuals but it's much harder with a group of 20-25.

I think another good example is with the cabinet confirmation hearings which almost entirely went along party lines. McConnell promised Trump he would deliver all of these cabinet posts. Senators McCain, Graham, and Rubio all expressed grave concerns about Tillerson....AND THEY WERE RIGHT. Yet, they all voted with the party and pushed him through into a position he is poorly qualified for, and now we are paying the price that inexperience with the global unrest. Bottom line - individual representative have to start voting their beliefs and conscious and the bullying by party leadership has to stop. Mcconnell and Schemer have to go...Ryan and Pelosi have to go...."draining the swamp" is a good idea, the problem is the it's all cronyism and even DJT is a part of it.

[Taltarzac725]

I think blue lies in the party leaders in-fighting, egotism, and lack of trust for the other side. From there, those very same party leaders stifle the ability for individual representatives to even consider both sides of the argument by threatening their party members if they don't along party lines. They say they will lose support of the party in their re-election bids, will keep them off prestigious committees, and basically treat them as cast-offs, therefore it's these handful of party leaders that are the select, elite few, that drive the partisanship and ultimately what view each side takes.

Look at the Freedom caucus during the GOP healthcare proposal. This is how you CAN fight the party leadership..by banding together to oppose leadership and having enough to actually swing the vote. Party leadership can bully individuals but it's much harder with a group of 20-25.

I think another good example is with the cabinet confirmation hearings which almost entirely went along party lines. McConnell promised Trump he would deliver all of these cabinet posts. Senators McCain, Graham, and Rubio all expressed grave concerns about Tillerson....AND THEY WERE RIGHT. Yet, they all voted with the party and pushed him through into a position he is poorly qualified for, and now we are paying the price that inexperience with the global unrest. Bottom line - individual representative have to start voting their beliefs and conscious and the bullying by party leadership has to stop. Mcconnell and Schemer have to go...Ryan and Pelosi have to go...."draining the swamp" is a good idea, the problem is the it's all cronyism and even DJT is a part of it.

My 26 year 224 613 Project is bi-partisan. At least I have tried to make it that way especially since we have had Presidents of both the Republican and Democrat variety during that time.

My problem is that I do not trust Donald John Trump because of his long history of lying, multiple lawsuits against him, alleged sexual assaults and sexual harassment and the stench of scandal. You bring in the Russians as well and I am running for cover.

[Don Baldwin]

I am sincerely curious.
And please try not to be partisan when you add your opinion. And remember, name calling simply displays your ignorance and lack of a real fact based argument. It is, however, ok to say things like "because the Republicans did this" or "because the Democrats did that."

OK, how about some rational opinions about this issue that seems to be ripping our country apart at the seams.

We are divided along "work for it" and "everyone is entitled"...gender differences.

[autumnspring]

I am sincerely curious.
And please try not to be partisan when you add your opinion. And remember, name calling simply displays your ignorance and lack of a real fact based argument. It is, however, ok to say things like "because the Republicans did this" or "because the Democrats did that."

OK, how about some rational opinions about this issue that seems to be ripping our country apart at the seams.

First of all as we read the posts from the VILLAGES. The average age here is 70. My opinion is the level of education and the level of prosperity is far higher than the national average AND YET LOOK AT SOME OF THE HATEFUL, BIGOTED AND SIMPLY STUPID posts.

I had believed that Obama was the cause having blamed the Republicans for all evil in the world. Having fanned the sparks of racial conflict into forest firers. WE ARE RID OF OBAMA.

I do not know. Did Obama cause this or did he see the cancer and just feed it to his own political gain.

PERHAPS, WE ARE THE PROBLEM. I SEE FEW SOLUTIONS.
WHAT I SEE IS A LOT OF THIRD GRADE CRAP-I DIDN'T DO IT JOHNNY DID OR OK YOU CAUGHT ME BUT JOHNNY.........

I freely admit that I lean republican and that I did not vote for Obama but, I am not lying to you, MORE IMPORTANT I AM NOT LYING TO MYSELF, I would have been proud to admit I was wrong about Obama and that he solved the cancer of racism that has been tearing our country apart.

It is clear, whether his fault or not, Obama has left the job of president with our country, with our world, with our people in far worse place then when he arrived Oh and he left an UNPAID TAB OF 50 TRILLION ON THE DESK for the next president, or more likely for the next several presidents to deal with.

I SUGGEST-WE ARE WHERE WE ARE. WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE.

[Don Baldwin]

First of all as we read the posts from the VILLAGES. The average age here is 70. My opinion is the level of education and the level of prosperity is far higher than the national average AND YET LOOK AT SOME OF THE HATEFUL, BIGOTED AND SIMPLY STUPID posts.

I had believed that Obama was the cause having blamed the Republicans for all evil in the world. Having fanned the sparks of racial conflict into forest firers. WE ARE RID OF OBAMA.

I do not know. Did Obama cause this or did he see the cancer and just feed it to his own political gain.

PERHAPS, WE ARE THE PROBLEM. I SEE FEW SOLUTIONS.
WHAT I SEE IS A LOT OF THIRD GRADE CRAP-I DIDN'T DO IT JOHNNY DID OR OK YOU CAUGHT ME BUT JOHNNY.........

I freely admit that I lean republican and that I did not vote for Obama but, I am not lying to you, MORE IMPORTANT I AM NOT LYING TO MYSELF, I would have been proud to admit I was wrong about Obama and that he solved the cancer of racism that has been tearing our country apart.

It is clear, whether his fault or not, Obama has left the job of president with our country, with our world, with our people in far worse place then when he arrived Oh and he left an UNPAID TAB OF 50 TRILLION ON THE DESK for the next president, or more likely for the next several presidents to deal with.

I SUGGEST-WE ARE WHERE WE ARE. WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE.

If we don't change our path...we turn into Mexico II as Hispanics become the absolute majority.

[autumnspring]

My 26 year 224 613 Project is bi-partisan. At least I have tried to make it that way especially since we have had Presidents of both the Republican and Democrat variety during that time.

My problem is that I do not trust Donald John Trump because of his long history of lying, multiple lawsuits against him, alleged sexual assaults and sexual harassment and the stench of scandal. You bring in the Russians as well and I am running for cover.

Our press is mostly controlled by progressive, liberals.
Trump truly does not get a fair shake. The term is of course undefined so it is in the eye of the beholder.

The FACTS are truly interesting. According to my reading in the late 1960's the major news sources were controlled by 49 companies. Today it is down to 5 four of them are progressive liberal and only FOX leans right. DISNEY owns many of our news sources. There is nothing I can do about that EXCEPT TO MAKE YOU AWARE. The OWNERS will declare they do not control the news BUT, if disney owns your company what is the likely hood that they will run a story or allow you to run a story on say stock manipulation, salaries of management compared to the average worker etc. NEWS-is what you vote on.

Due to the view of our LIBERAL PROGRESSIVE CONTROLLED NEWS SOURCES, we are all aware or RACIST CHARGES.
It is a far fewer number who are aware of TRUMP and Key Largo. Key largo was bought by Trump-cheap. He got it cheap not because he stole it but because it was unwanted. OTHERS DID NOT SEE THE POTENTIAL.
Trump bought it to establish a key club gold resort for the wealthy. You paid a fee to become a member. The fee was high. Trump profited due to people who, people who wanted to prove they had the wealth to belong. The surrounding area wanted TRUMP to make it no Jews and no Blacks to get it licensed. There is sadly a long history of such private clubs excluding Jews, blacks and women for that matter, although i don't think they had asked for that-just jews and blacks. TRUMP, RISKING HIS OWN MONEY, REFUSED. Do you not see a pattern, if your news sources did not think this worth reporting-NO NEED FOR YOU TO KNOW.

As to Trump and lawsuits-once again your source of information doe not think you need to know.

it is true that Trump has been involved in hundreds of lawsuits. From what I've read well over 80% of them involved gambling debts and Vegas law requires it be settled in court.

As to not trusting Trump. TRUTH there are very few people I trust and frankly as I get older people have not changed just that due to experience there are very few people I trust. In most cases, my trust is that I listen to what they have said AND THEN CHECK IT FOR MYSELF.
Do you or did you Trust, Obama, Hillary etc. Hell, I trusted O Reilly and I grew up with Bill Cosby's TV family.

[Paper1]

Gerrymandering, no term limits, money in elections, and no need to balance federal budget. IMO

[Taltarzac725]

Gerrymandering, no term limits, money in elections, and no need to balance federal budget. IMO

It is all about the green. And keeping it coming.

[rubicon]

I am sincerely curious.
And please try not to be partisan when you add your opinion. And remember, name calling simply displays your ignorance and lack of a real fact based argument. It is, however, ok to say things like "because the Republicans did this" or "because the Democrats did that."

OK, how about some rational opinions about this issue that seems to be ripping our country apart at the seams.

what I am about to share focuses on Washington but it has application to both state and local level of government to varying degrees.

Let's reach back a bit and first recognize that the people elected and those hired to leadership roles as federal government employees all live in and around the four or five richest counties in the country. They as the comic says "talk among themselves". they have lost touch with real people and only as a matter of self preservation to they venture out to press flesh, sprouting populism etc. in order to gain a vote or support for their program. a greater percentage of this bureaucracy has no idea or really cares what the average joe thinks.

Coupled with this the bell curve as respects liberal conservative, moderate, etc has drastically changed. In my view, perhaps some will disagree the majority on the left have drifted so far left that it is impossible to get consensus. And continuing this same thought process we are divided because of this fact. What we are in a fierce fight over the direction this nation will go.

As it is termed by the hard left, "the new normal vis a vis the right's traditional America."

it is evident that the so called "resistance movement"is being conducted by this radical left fringe and encouraged by democratic leaders who use this resistance to further their self interests.

Personal Best Regards:

[cologal]

Gerrymandering, no term limits, money in elections, and no need to balance federal budget. IMO

I'll go with this one, adding no immigration reform and corporate greed!

[Topspinmo]

I am sincerely curious.
And please try not to be partisan when you add your opinion. And remember, name calling simply displays your ignorance and lack of a real fact based argument. It is, however, ok to say things like "because the Republicans did this" or "because the Democrats did that."

OK, how about some rational opinions about this issue that seems to be ripping our country apart at the seams.


No give and take anymore, it my way or the highway. Notice I didn't inject party loyalty or brainwashing into it. All politicians are lair's, just some better at it than others. We will Never change till we get the career politicians (carpetbaggers, by the way most have law degree's which they were trained in how to stretch the truth)) tern limits.

[dirtbanker]

I'll go with this one, adding no immigration reform and corporate greed!

Hey Copuff - I have a corporation does that make me greedy?

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[MDLNB]

Hey Copuff - I have a corporation does that make me greedy?

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It's only corporate greed if THEY don't get something from the rich. Anyone that is better than them, has to be greedy and evil. The lazy demand that everyone else "share."

[ColdNoMore]

what I am about to share focuses on Washington but it has application to both state and local level of government to varying degrees.

Let's reach back a bit and first recognize that the people elected and those hired to leadership roles as federal government employees all live in and around the four or five richest counties in the country. They as the comic says "talk among themselves". they have lost touch with real people and only as a matter of self preservation to they venture out to press flesh, sprouting populism etc. in order to gain a vote or support for their program. a greater percentage of this bureaucracy has no idea or really cares what the average joe thinks.

Coupled with this the bell curve as respects liberal conservative, moderate, etc has drastically changed. In my view, perhaps some will disagree the majority on the left have drifted so far left that it is impossible to get consensus. And continuing this same thought process we are divided because of this fact. What we are in a fierce fight over the direction this nation will go.

As it is termed by the hard left, "the new normal vis a vis the right's traditional America."

it is evident that the so called "resistance movement"is being conducted by this radical left fringe and encouraged by democratic leaders who use this resistance to further their self interests.

Personal Best Regards:

:1rotfl:

What you have just epitomized, albeit unwittingly I'm sure because I doubt you're smart enough to understand it...is the real reason for the extreme partisanship.

Your bloviating rant, says in essence... "it's all the Dem's/left's fault." :oops:

Totally ignoring the fact that there is a reason that the Repub's EARNED the moniker of "The Party Of NO"...under Bush's reign.

And yet, you must think everyone else is stupid enough to listen to your constant refrain and pseudo-intellectualism, as if just because YOU say it from your soapbox...it must automatically be true. :ohdear:

As someone else mentioned above, the word 'compromise' has become a 4 letter word that no one is willing to embrace...less they be viewed as 'weak' and their constituents hold it against them in the next election.

I think we work best when the WH and both houses of Congress ARE NOT controlled by a single party...regardless of which party.

So let me posit, that a lot of BOTH parties have moved to the extremes of their respective party's positions and true Centrists such as myself...have become less influential.





Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

[Cedwards38]

what I am about to share focuses on Washington but it has application to both state and local level of government to varying degrees.

Let's reach back a bit and first recognize that the people elected and those hired to leadership roles as federal government employees all live in and around the four or five richest counties in the country. They as the comic says "talk among themselves". they have lost touch with real people and only as a matter of self preservation to they venture out to press flesh, sprouting populism etc. in order to gain a vote or support for their program. a greater percentage of this bureaucracy has no idea or really cares what the average joe thinks.

Coupled with this the bell curve as respects liberal conservative, moderate, etc has drastically changed. In my view, perhaps some will disagree the majority on the left have drifted so far left that it is impossible to get consensus. And continuing this same thought process we are divided because of this fact. What we are in a fierce fight over the direction this nation will go.

As it is termed by the hard left, "the new normal vis a vis the right's traditional America."

it is evident that the so called "resistance movement"is being conducted by this radical left fringe and encouraged by democratic leaders who use this resistance to further their self interests.

Personal Best Regards:

How does your theory explain the rise of The Tea Party, and Senator McConnell's charge to make Obama a one term President, and the Merrick Garland stall, and Breitbart News, and FOX News, and the Freedom Caucus? Those were not partisan movements from the left, but rather from the far right.

[Taltarzac725]

How does your theory explain the rise of The Tea Party, and Senator McConnell's charge to make Obama a one term President, and the Merrick Garland stall, and Breitbart News, and FOX News, and the Freedom Caucus? Those were not partisan movements from the left, but rather from the far right.

Steve Bannon and his frightening hold on Donald Trump. Hopefully, Ivanka Trump and her husband will push this man out of the Game of Thrones.

[Cedwards38]

Gerrymandering, no term limits, money in elections, and no need to balance federal budget. IMO

Great response. Thanks. I think you may be on to something there. How do we fix those things?

[dirtbanker]

Steve Bannon and his frightening hold on Donald Trump. Hopefully, Ivanka Trump and her husband will push this man out of the Game of Thrones.
You hate Trump, period!
But, have you realized if Trump did not exist there would be no Ivanka pictures for you to rub one out to...



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[dirtbanker]

You probably have a "real doll" named Ivanka...

REALDOLL - THE WORLD'S FINEST LOVE DOLLS (http://Www.realdoll.com)

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[Taltarzac725]

Ignore List still working on Political Forum.

Nice! I can see who posted too but not what they wrote. It silences the jealous insecure trolls on here.

If someone thinks I need to see something. Quote the jerk. Otherwise just ignore the dingleberry. It usually is dirtbag or dingleberry now. Offal seems to be taking a break.

[dillywho]

I am sincerely curious.
And please try not to be partisan when you add your opinion. And remember, name calling simply displays your ignorance and lack of a real fact based argument. It is, however, ok to say things like "because the Republicans did this" or "because the Democrats did that."

OK, how about some rational opinions about this issue that seems to be ripping our country apart at the seams.


Because it is, in most cases, no longer about America. It is about individuals elected to represent us deciding that we are not important....they are. They want what is best for themselves.

Politics, like welfare, should never be a life career. Both are at the expense of others and should be only temporary.

[autumnspring]

Hey Copuff - I have a corporation does that make me greedy?

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RE: being a corporation and greed.
You formed a corporation to either raise capital and or to protect your personal assets.

RE: the lefts criticism of corporations.
Sadly, when you think about what they say, they want to tell others how to spend their money. My view is you have the right to spend your money. DO NOT DARE THINK YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEND MINE.

FOR BOTH THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT WINGERS
There is a line on your tax form where you can pay additional tax if you choose to. Ask your accountant. You do not need to take every deduction. OH, SHOULD YOU ASK YOUR ACCOUNTANT HE WILL WONDER ABOUT YOUR SANITY.

Unfair deductions are always the ones that others qualify for and you do not. Fair ones are the ones you get.

For the left's demanding Trumps tax return. AT LEAST BE HONEST WITH YOURSELF WHILE YOU SCREAM. DO YOU THINK YOU ARE BETTER QUALIFIED TO REVIEW TRUMP'S TAX RETURN THEN ARE THE HIGHEST PEOPLE IN THE IRA THAT ARE SURELY REVIEWING HIS FORMS??????

Oh and for those who do not know-likely most of you. The income tax is the one we always argue about-it is the most hated tax it is about 20% of the tax our government extracts. Fill up your car or golf cart, or lawnmower; roughly 1/3 of what we pay for gasoline is TAX. Look at your cell phone bill about 1/3 is tax. Our government has so many ways to pluck the chicken he/she does not know he is bald-there are other ways to spell that.

[autumnspring]

How does your theory explain the rise of The Tea Party, and Senator McConnell's charge to make Obama a one term President, and the Merrick Garland stall, and Breitbart News, and FOX News, and the Freedom Caucus? Those were not partisan movements from the left, but rather from the far right.

System of government is designed to produce opposition that is perhaps, what prevents one group from becoming too powerful. The Tea party. Wow the tea party has been branded by the lefts as being a bunch of racists-the battle charge of the left. As I've posted many times, replying to the charge of being a racist is the same as replying to the charge of do you still beat your wife. The tea party is a group of people that believe in our constitution. Obama, walked all over the constitution and our liberal controlled press said nothing about it. If, you recall, they did SCREAM that Bush and Chaney vastly expanded presidential powers.

Do you believe that the Democrats are working with Trump? Do you believe the Democrats will do anything they can to make Trump a one term president?

The freedom caucus is not closed to African Americans.
The black caucus-you find acceptable.

There are some racist Republicans BUT again as I've posted many times. Obama took 56% of the vote in his first election. Blacks are 13% of the population and 98% of the voted for Obama-YOU DO NOT SEE THAT AS RACIST?
Had the non-black vote been as racist as the black vote Obama would have gotten roughly 28% of the vote-THE WORST DEFEAT IN AMERICAN HISTORY. Having received 56% of the vote Obama received roughly 42% of the non-black vote.

Oh and for your pro-democratic view. It was not the Republicans who deliberately tried to cause violence at political rallies. It is not the Republicans to shout down Republican speakers-SADLY TOO OFTEN THE LEFT DOES THIS AND TOO OFTEN THEY HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL.
In psychology the term is PROJECTION the need to believe others are doing what you are.

I did not have sex with that woman-oops that stain on her dress. I did not accept bribes-oops whitewater-we did get away with it like so much other crap. Travel gate. The Clinton foundation-pay to play. Now that they are not in power. Speech prices are way down. I did not mishandle government e-mails-oops they turned up on a computer belonging to disgrace Weiner and his wife Huma Aberdeen-who has family in saudi arabia AND HAS NO SECURITY CLEARANCE.

The people of America have spoken.

[Cedwards38]

Hey Copuff - I have a corporation does that make me greedy?

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Maybe! Do you take huge tax write offs by hiding profits in off shore bank accounts, or pay yourself 500 times what your employees make, or ship jobs to foreign countries to take advantage of cheap labor, or manipulate stock prices with buy backs from company money so that your stock is more valuable? Is your product necessary to sustain the life of those who use it and knowing this you raise the price by 1700 percent?
If you do any of these things than you may be guilty of corporate greed. If not, then no. And BTW, I'm not Copuff.

[Cedwards38]

System of government is designed to produce opposition that is perhaps, what prevents one group from becoming too powerful. The Tea party. Wow the tea party has been branded by the lefts as being a bunch of racists-the battle charge of the left. As I've posted many times, replying to the charge of being a racist is the same as replying to the charge of do you still beat your wife. The tea party is a group of people that believe in our constitution. Obama, walked all over the constitution and our liberal controlled press said nothing about it. If, you recall, they did SCREAM that Bush and Chaney vastly expanded presidential powers.

Do you believe that the Democrats are working with Trump? Do you believe the Democrats will do anything they can to make Trump a one term president?

The freedom caucus is not closed to African Americans.
The black caucus-you find acceptable.

There are some racist Republicans BUT again as I've posted many times. Obama took 56% of the vote in his first election. Blacks are 13% of the population and 98% of the voted for Obama-YOU DO NOT SEE THAT AS RACIST?
Had the non-black vote been as racist as the black vote Obama would have gotten roughly 28% of the vote-THE WORST DEFEAT IN AMERICAN HISTORY. Having received 56% of the vote Obama received roughly 42% of the non-black vote.

Oh and for your pro-democratic view. It was not the Republicans who deliberately tried to cause violence at political rallies. It is not the Republicans to shout down Republican speakers-SADLY TOO OFTEN THE LEFT DOES THIS AND TOO OFTEN THEY HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL.
In psychology the term is PROJECTION the need to believe others are doing what you are.

I did not have sex with that woman-oops that stain on her dress. I did not accept bribes-oops whitewater-we did get away with it like so much other crap. Travel gate. The Clinton foundation-pay to play. Now that they are not in power. Speech prices are way down. I did not mishandle government e-mails-oops they turned up on a computer belonging to disgrace Weiner and his wife Huma Aberdeen-who has family in saudi arabia AND HAS NO SECURITY CLEARANCE.

The people of America have spoken.

OK, just so we keep this in the realm of rational thought, the post to which my post responded was intelligently, if incorrectly, theorizing that all political partisanship in America was caused by those on the left. I simply pointed out, by listing those right wing groups, that some of it also comes from the right. I'm not sure how your rant addresses that issue at all, but maybe you can calmly explain without including Monica's dress and racism, which have nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

[Abby10]

Because it is, in most cases, no longer about America. It is about individuals elected to represent us deciding that we are not important....they are. They want what is best for themselves.

Politics, like welfare, should never be a life career. Both are at the expense of others and should be only temporary.

Great post! You answered the question directly and succinctly, and I say DITTO to that! :agree:

[dirtbanker]

Maybe! Do you take huge tax write offs by hiding profits in off shore bank accounts, or pay yourself 500 times what your employees make, or ship jobs to foreign countries to take advantage of cheap labor, or manipulate stock prices with buy backs from company money so that your stock is more valuable? Is your product necessary to sustain the life of those who use it and knowing this you raise the price by 1700 percent?
If you do any of these things than you may be guilty of corporate greed. If not, then no. And BTW, I'm not Copuff.

Not exactly. I would assume my accountant took every deduction, or write off, that was available to my corp. I doubt anyone on here would do different. No offshore accounts ever...my understanding is those days are over and have been for about 12 years as the US has economicaly forced countries to report accounts held by US companies.

I pay myself quite a bit more than my employees, but I do not believe it is 500 times more. I do work nights and weekends while they are off and I do have more exposure (risk) than they do.

I do take advantage of cheap labor, on a lot of our out of town projects we hire temporary labor. I thought I was helping both the local unemployed and my guys who want to be away from their families less. Maybe you think it's wrong?

My corporation is not publicly owned, all shares are held by me.

Nobody would want to live without our product, but I can't say it sustained life. Our market would not support 1700 percentage mark up, we can get 600% on some items, a minimum of 300% on most, and we get 80% of all jobs we bid on, so I will assume our market is good with that...

I knew it was not Copuff, she never responds to posts with a ?


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[Don Baldwin]

RE: being a corporation and greed.
You formed a corporation to either raise capital and or to protect your personal assets.

RE: the lefts criticism of corporations.
Sadly, when you think about what they say, they want to tell others how to spend their money. My view is you have the right to spend your money. DO NOT DARE THINK YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEND MINE.

FOR BOTH THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT WINGERS
There is a line on your tax form where you can pay additional tax if you choose to. Ask your accountant. You do not need to take every deduction. OH, SHOULD YOU ASK YOUR ACCOUNTANT HE WILL WONDER ABOUT YOUR SANITY.

Unfair deductions are always the ones that others qualify for and you do not. Fair ones are the ones you get.

For the left's demanding Trumps tax return. AT LEAST BE HONEST WITH YOURSELF WHILE YOU SCREAM. DO YOU THINK YOU ARE BETTER QUALIFIED TO REVIEW TRUMP'S TAX RETURN THEN ARE THE HIGHEST PEOPLE IN THE IRA THAT ARE SURELY REVIEWING HIS FORMS??????

Oh and for those who do not know-likely most of you. The income tax is the one we always argue about-it is the most hated tax it is about 20% of the tax our government extracts. Fill up your car or golf cart, or lawnmower; roughly 1/3 of what we pay for gasoline is TAX. Look at your cell phone bill about 1/3 is tax. Our government has so many ways to pluck the chicken he/she does not know he is bald-there are other ways to spell that.

About HALF the the price of just about everything you buy is tax. Each step in the manufacturing process is taxed and that tax is added to the price as it moves up the chain.

[ColdNoMore]

System of government is designed to produce opposition that is perhaps, what prevents one group from becoming too powerful. The Tea party. Wow the tea party has been branded by the lefts as being a bunch of racists-the battle charge of the left. As I've posted many times, replying to the charge of being a racist is the same as replying to the charge of do you still beat your wife. The tea party is a group of people that believe in our constitution. Obama, walked all over the constitution and our liberal controlled press said nothing about it. If, you recall, they did SCREAM that Bush and Chaney vastly expanded presidential powers.

Do you believe that the Democrats are working with Trump? Do you believe the Democrats will do anything they can to make Trump a one term president?

The freedom caucus is not closed to African Americans.
The black caucus-you find acceptable.

There are some racist Republicans BUT again as I've posted many times. Obama took 56% of the vote in his first election. Blacks are 13% of the population and 98% of the voted for Obama-YOU DO NOT SEE THAT AS RACIST?

Had the non-black vote been as racist as the black vote Obama would have gotten roughly 28% of the vote-THE WORST DEFEAT IN AMERICAN HISTORY. Having received 56% of the vote Obama received roughly 42% of the non-black vote.

Oh and for your pro-democratic view. It was not the Republicans who deliberately tried to cause violence at political rallies. It is not the Republicans to shout down Republican speakers-SADLY TOO OFTEN THE LEFT DOES THIS AND TOO OFTEN THEY HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL.
In psychology the term is PROJECTION the need to believe others are doing what you are.

I did not have sex with that woman-oops that stain on her dress. I did not accept bribes-oops whitewater-we did get away with it like so much other crap. Travel gate. The Clinton foundation-pay to play. Now that they are not in power. Speech prices are way down. I did not mishandle government e-mails-oops they turned up on a computer belonging to disgrace Weiner and his wife Huma Aberdeen-who has family in saudi arabia AND HAS NO SECURITY CLEARANCE.

The people of America have spoken.

And as is constantly pointed out to you, blacks historically vote near 90% for Democrats...but you don't seem to be smart enough to remember that. :oops:

And just like everyone else (including yourself), they vote for those who they believe...will treat them the most fairly.

So next time you try one of your CAPITAL YELLING RANTS...try not to embarrass yourself so much. :ohdear:

And yes...you've just exposed your own racism. :thumbup:


Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

[MDLNB]

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Sorry Rainman, did you say something? I put the trolls on my "ignore" list, so I don't always see the constant babbling and rants against the President and patriotic Americans on the right. Everyone seems to be ignoring you, so unless they quote you (they never do) then I guess I won't see your attempts to troll the forum. :D

[rubicon]

:1rotfl:

What you have just epitomized, albeit unwittingly I'm sure because I doubt you're smart enough to understand it...is the real reason for the extreme partisanship.

Your bloviating rant, says in essence... "it's all the Dem's/left's fault." :oops:

Totally ignoring the fact that there is a reason that the Repub's EARNED the moniker of "The Party Of NO"...under Bush's reign.

And yet, you must think everyone else is stupid enough to listen to your constant refrain and pseudo-intellectualism, as if just because YOU say it from your soapbox...it must automatically be true. :ohdear:

As someone else mentioned above, the word 'compromise' has become a 4 letter word that no one is willing to embrace...less they be viewed as 'weak' and their constituents hold it against them in the next election.

I think we work best when the WH and both houses of Congress ARE NOT controlled by a single party...regardless of which party.

So let me posit, that a lot of BOTH parties have moved to the extremes of their respective party's positions and true Centrists such as myself...have become less influential.





Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

Do yourself a favor and learn to read, learn to remain unemotional and lose the confirmation bias. Essentially what I said is that both parties moved ( ie reference to the bell curve). what I said is that the hard left ( ie radical) are creating the problem. It takes two to tango and if your partner ( ie the radical left) refused to dance then what choice(s) are left. I view the issues of the Tea Party and Freedom Caucus as internal shifting to the Republican Party and not bipartisan as respects both parties.

You might want to look more objectively a the faction now controlling progressives because they feel hate and they feel it deeply going always for the jugular.

In any event it was certainly a surprise to me that you would attempt a dressing down of my character with your personal attack. You apparently never had an opportunity to a Dale Carnegie or similar program because you are about as subtle as a train wreck :D

And as always I leave the door open to forgive and forget and move forward with a desire for better understanding and respect

Personal Best Regards:

[MDLNB]

Do yourself a favor and learn to read, learn to remain unemotional and lose the confirmation bias. Essentially what I said is that both parties moved ( ie reference to the bell curve). what I said is that the hard left ( ie radical) are creating the problem. It takes two to tango and if your partner ( ie the radical left) refused to dance then what choice(s) are left. I view the issues of the Tea Party and Freedom Caucus as internal shifting to the Republican Party and not bipartisan as respects both parties.

You might want to look more objectively a the faction now controlling progressives because they feel hate and they feel it deeply going always for the jugular.

In any event it was certainly a surprise to me that you would attempt a dressing down of my character with your personal attack. You apparently never had an opportunity to a Dale Carnegie or similar program because you are about as subtle as a train wreck :D

And as always I leave the door open to forgive and forget and move forward with a desire for better understanding and respect

Personal Best Regards:

Why bother attempting to reason with the TROLL?

[Rockyrd]

Do yourself a favor and learn to read, learn to remain unemotional and lose the confirmation bias. Essentially what I said is that both parties moved ( ie reference to the bell curve). what I said is that the hard left ( ie radical) are creating the problem. It takes two to tango and if your partner ( ie the radical left) refused to dance then what choice(s) are left. I view the issues of the Tea Party and Freedom Caucus as internal shifting to the Republican Party and not bipartisan as respects both parties.

You might want to look more objectively a the faction now controlling progressives because they feel hate and they feel it deeply going always for the jugular.

In any event it was certainly a surprise to me that you would attempt a dressing down of my character with your personal attack. You apparently never had an opportunity to a Dale Carnegie or similar program because you are about as subtle as a train wreck :D

And as always I leave the door open to forgive and forget and move forward with a desire for better understanding and respect

Personal Best Regards:

You should read aloud what you posted.

Amazing that someone would say what you typed. You cannot possibly be that self involved.

[Taltarzac725]

Sorry Rainman, did you say something? I put the trolls on my "ignore" list, so I don't always see the constant babbling and rants against the President and patriotic Americans on the right. Everyone seems to be ignoring you, so unless they quote you (they never do) then I guess I won't see your attempts to troll the forum. :D

You are seeing my posts so I am obviously not on your Ignore List.

I sure loved seeing Jennifer Lawrence make that basketball shot in the movie Passengers. Two points to make it 24 to 26. Before that it was 24-24. So so cool. And she was so elated that she made it.

Not as happy as I was when I got that private Facebook message from a lawyer/actress around July of 2016. She is so hot! And she has connections to the Villages. Not an American though.

And I really liked the look a manager at the Old Mill Playhouse gave me yesterday. Went to see "Beauty and the Beast" with a bunch of teenage girls. Really admire Emma Watson and all the hard work she has done for pay equality and other things for women.

What is to like about Donald John Trump and respect for women? He brags about grabbing them by the.... and probably watched some high priced call girls pee on a certain bed slept in by the President of the United States Barack Obama and his wife. Just sounds so much like Trump given his long term hatred of Obama with all the birther garbage. What Is The Donald Trump "Golden Shower" Allegation About? Glad You Asked... (https://www.bustle.com/p/what-is-the-donald-trump-golden-shower-allegation-about-glad-you-asked-29530)

[Don Baldwin]

You are seeing my posts so I am obviously not on your Ignore List.

I sure loved seeing Jennifer Lawrence make that basketball shot in the movie Passengers. Two points to make it 24 to 26. Before that it was 24-24. So so cool. And she was so elated that she made it.

Not as happy as I was when I got that private Facebook message from a lawyer/actress around July of 2016. She is so hot! And she has connections to the Villages. Not an American though.

It's FICTION...a MOVIE...it's NOT real. Women NEVER beat men.

[ColdNoMore]

Do yourself a favor and learn to read, learn to remain unemotional and lose the confirmation bias. Essentially what I said is that both parties moved ( ie reference to the bell curve). what I said is that the hard left ( ie radical) are creating the problem. It takes two to tango and if your partner ( ie the radical left) refused to dance then what choice(s) are left. I view the issues of the Tea Party and Freedom Caucus as internal shifting to the Republican Party and not bipartisan as respects both parties.

You might want to look more objectively a the faction now controlling progressives because they feel hate and they feel it deeply going always for the jugular.

In any event it was certainly a surprise to me that you would attempt a dressing down of my character with your personal attack. You apparently never had an opportunity to a Dale Carnegie or similar program because you are about as subtle as a train wreck

And as always I leave the door open to forgive and forget and move forward with a desire for better understanding and respect

Personal Best Regards:

:1rotfl:

The soapbox bloviator is trying to lecture me about reading, comprehension...and confirmation bias? :oops:

Methinks you need to go back and read your own post again, then read mine...and realize that I simply pegged your rant perfectly. :thumbup:

I'm the one that stated I believe in 'checks and balances' by not putting one party in charge of everything, but all you EVER do is to stand on your soapbox, lecture of the evils of anything to the left of your extreme right positions...and refuse to acknowledge yours and your own party's failings.

That you think soft-pedaling denigrating remarks should give you some kind of brownie points, versus those of us who are simply direct with the truth...is a very good insight into your own insecurities. ;)

While you love to view yourself as a pseudo-intellectual who evaluates both sides...you're simply a blinded Chump Apologist. :ohdear:



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

[ColdNoMore]

You should read aloud what you posted.

Amazing that someone would say what you typed. You cannot possibly be that self involved.

I came to the obvious conclusion quite some time ago...that he IS that self-centered. :oops:

I don't believe he has a clue as to how desperate he comes across to decent, intelligent folks when he stands on his soapbox bloviating...while never being able to support his own position with facts or links.

It's clear that he actually thinks people should believe him...based solely on the fact that he's the one saying it.

That takes a special kind of deafness...and an inability to utilize cognitive thinking. :ohdear:

The fact that he's been caught many times plagiarizing, tells me that he pours over other extreme right-wingnuts material to find nuggets...that he can slightly reword and pass off as his own.

Pretty sad and pathetic...when you think about it.

[Taltarzac725]

It's FICTION...a MOVIE...it's NOT real. Women NEVER beat men.

Tell that to Billy Jean King or the Williams Sisters who could probably beat most male tennis pros. Battle of the Sexes (tennis - Wikipedia) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Sexes_(tennis))

[ColdNoMore]

Why bother attempting to reason with the TROLL?


"TROLL" = That sumbitch that keeps making me look stupid and putting me in my place.

:ho:





Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

[Taltarzac725]

"TROLL" = That sumbitch that keeps making me look stupid and putting me in my place.

:ho:





Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

Does not fit with the trolls offal and dingelberry or dirtbag though. Who remain on my Ignore List. Who needs to read what jealous jerks write about you as almost no one cares what they write to get under my skin.

Dustin Hoffman was great in Rain Man by the way but liked him even more in Outbreak. Really liked the 612 scene in Outbreak.

[dirtbanker]

Not as happy as I was when I got that private Facebook message from a lawyer/actress around July of 2016. She is so hot! And she has connections to the Villages. Not an American though.

And I really liked the look a manager at the Old Mill Playhouse gave me yesterday. Went to see "Beauty and the Beast" with a bunch of teenage girls. Really admire Emma Watson and all the hard work she has done for pay equality and other things for women.

What is to like about Donald John Trump and respect for women? He brags about grabbing them by the.... and probably watched some high priced call girls pee on a certain bed slept in by the President of the United States Barack Obama and his wife.Just sounds so much like Trump given his long term hatred of Obama with all the birther garbage. What Is The Donald Trump "Golden Shower" Allegation About? Glad You Asked... (https://www.bustle.com/p/what-is-the-donald-trump-golden-shower-allegation-about-glad-you-asked-29530)

July 2016...that was 9 months ago and she has not communicated with you since. Took her all of 1 message to figure out you were weirder than a three dollar bill.

The manager at the theater gave you a look? Was he gay, or did he realizes how odd it is for a 50+ guy in baby blue terry cloth shorts, pulled up real high, to be hanging with teenage girls? Your lucky I was not there, I would have called the cops and let them figure it out. What kind of parent allows their teenage daughter to hang with bust out losers?

Maybe if you told the hot lawyer you wanted to grab her by the pu$$y she would have been more interested...

You believe that prostitute urination story? Of course you do, some internet newscaster said it happened...did he mention any aliens peeing on anything??


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[Taltarzac725]

Still think that Ivanka Trump would have made a much better President than Donald John Trump. I share her Facebook posts once in a while as I follow her on Facebook. I wonder if she watches movies like Tomorrowland, Star Wars: Rogue One, Passengers, Deadpool, Ant-Man etc? Too damn many to count now. Also follow a few thousand actresses and actors as well. Talk to some of them on Facebook once in a while. Logan was so cool. And hope to have real fun watching Hidden Figures on Blu-Ray soon.

And I sincerely doubt the Russians have anything on Ivanka to blackmail her with like they seem to have with her father Donald John Trump.

[dirtbanker]

Methinks...



Everyone knows you can't think...



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[Taltarzac725]

Hello Louisville Lawyer girl. Hope all is well?

[fred53]

I am sincerely curious.
And please try not to be partisan when you add your opinion. And remember, name calling simply displays your ignorance and lack of a real fact based argument. It is, however, ok to say things like "because the Republicans did this" or "because the Democrats did that."

OK, how about some rational opinions about this issue that seems to be ripping our country apart at the seams.

and if not go online to the congressional library you'll see that it's always been partisan. Less so when there's a war.

The difference now is that there is instant information about every single bit of who said, she said. No need to blow things out of proportion, but delving into our history is proof that not much has changed....other than instant news.

[Taltarzac725]

and if not go online to the congressional library you'll see that it's always been partisan. Less so when there's a war.

The difference now is that there is instant information about every single bit of who said, she said. No need to blow things out of proportion, but delving into our history is proof that not much has changed....other than instant news.

It seems to vary a bit though. There are some politicians who bring people together others who are extremely divisive. Trump is one of the most polarizing politicians in US history.

[Don Baldwin]

Tell that to Billy Jean King or the Williams Sisters who could probably beat most male tennis pros. Battle of the Sexes (tennis - Wikipedia) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Sexes_(tennis))

Did you even read your own link? Riggs beat the first "woman champion" handily...and THREW the second one against King.

"There was also widespread speculation, based on Riggs' unusually poor play and large number of unforced errors, that Riggs had purposely lost the match in order to win large sums of money that he had bet against himself, as a way to pay off his gambling debts."

How about the match between:

Martina Navratilova 5 2
Jimmy Connors 7 6

Connors killed her.

How about ALL the rest of the matches between men and women? The ONLY time a woman wins is when the deck is stacked!

Bobby Riggs was in his 50s when he played King who was in her prime.

There IS a REASON there are women's sports AND men's sports and we're not all mixed together...there wouldn't BE any women in sports if there wasn't "woman's sports".

It's NOT what you were made for. Sports comes from hunting and the skills needed to hunt. Something women aren't made by nature to do. I'm sorry...I'm JUST the messenger...I didn't make things the way they are...I just TELL you the way they are.

[Taltarzac725]

Did you even read your own link? Riggs beat the first "woman champion" handily...and THREW the second one against King.

"There was also widespread speculation, based on Riggs' unusually poor play and large number of unforced errors, that Riggs had purposely lost the match in order to win large sums of money that he had bet against himself, as a way to pay off his gambling debts."

How about the match between:

Martina Navratilova 5 2
Jimmy Connors 7 6

Connors killed her.

How about ALL the rest of the matches between men and women? The ONLY time a woman wins is when the deck is stacked!

Bobby Riggs was in his 50s when he played King who was in her prime.

There IS a REASON there are women's sports AND men's sports and we're not all mixed together...there wouldn't BE any women in sports if there wasn't "woman's sports".

It's NOT what you were made for. Sports comes from hunting and the skills needed to hunt. Something women aren't made by nature to do. I'm sorry...I'm JUST the messenger...I didn't make things the way they are...I just TELL you the way they are.

Why Women Will Never Beat Men in "Sports" - Vice (https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/why-women-will-never-beat-men-in-sports) A little twist on that.

[Cedwards38]

Some related information:

Partisanship and political animosity in America: 6 key facts | Pew Research Center (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/06/22/key-facts-partisanship/)

Political Polarization | Pew Research Center (http://www.pewresearch.org/topics/political-polarization/)

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/24/us/politics/partisanship-republicans-democrats-pew-research.html?_r=0

The Single Greatest Force in American Politics? Partisanship - NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/single-greatest-force-american-politics-partisanship-n698186)

[dirtbanker]

Wackadoodle's silly article made me wonder why the first cave woman was not boxing the $hit out of the first caveman?


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[Don Baldwin]

Why Women Will Never Beat Men in "Sports" - Vice (https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/why-women-will-never-beat-men-in-sports) A little twist on that.

Quite simply...he's wrong.

"Which is all to say: The games are rigged. Equality does not exist, and will never exist, in the world of sports. Until, that is, someone has the powerful genital fortitude to scrap the current understanding of what constitutes as a “sport” and designs one with the female skill-set in mind."

THIS is however true. As "sports" are now...they ARE rigged towards what men are better at. The ONLY way to change it...is to create a "sport" that does fit women better then men. Good luck.

It is SO easy to prove men are better...

World records:

List of world records in athletics - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_records_in_athletics)

Don't see ANY women world record holders...

[Taltarzac725]

Quite simply...he's wrong.

"Which is all to say: The games are rigged. Equality does not exist, and will never exist, in the world of sports. Until, that is, someone has the powerful genital fortitude to scrap the current understanding of what constitutes as a “sport” and designs one with the female skill-set in mind."

THIS is however true. As "sports" are now...they ARE rigged towards what men are better at. The ONLY way to change it...is to create a "sport" that does fit women better then men. Good luck.

It is SO easy to prove men are better...

World records:

List of world records in athletics - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_records_in_athletics)

Don't see ANY women world record holders...

The men and women have separate columns in the world records.

[Taltarzac725]

Some related information:

Partisanship and political animosity in America: 6 key facts | Pew Research Center (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/06/22/key-facts-partisanship/)

Political Polarization | Pew Research Center (http://www.pewresearch.org/topics/political-polarization/)

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/24/us/politics/partisanship-republicans-democrats-pew-research.html?_r=0

The Single Greatest Force in American Politics? Partisanship - NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/single-greatest-force-american-politics-partisanship-n698186)

Thanks for the links. I like those. Donald Trump and the Polarization of America | The Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mirah-riben/donald-trump-and-the-pola_b_7974218.html)

[dirtbanker]

The ONLY way to change it...is to create a "sport" that does fit women better then men. Good luck.

Don't see ANY women world record holders...

If "rejection" was a sport...

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[Don Baldwin]

The men and women have separate columns in the world records.

EXACTLY...my God woman...you ARE dense.

Go look at the men's column...now look at the women's column...is there ANYTHING that the women BEAT the men in? Just ONE? No...there isn't...meaning men ARE superior to ALL women in sports.

Let's do a thought experiment...I know...it's HARD...but bear with me.

The minorities are ALSO inferior to white people the same way women are inferior to men in sports. They are BETTER at certain sports but INFERIOR in everything else.

Let's say in education...if we divided education into white/Asina and black/Hispanic...we would see the same thing. A GAP...where one side ALWAYS outperforms the other.

THIS is the reality of the racial/gender situation. Delusion, pretending, laws, QUOTAS does not "make it" reality...it destroys. We've gone from #1 to #25 BECAUSE the population has gone from 90% white to 49%.

The villages will change too IF we allow an influx of minorities...it's what ALWAYS happens...when it's "white" it runs well, is organized, is calm and peaceful, everyone is prosperous...when it's "minority", diversified...it sucks...EVERY time.

You can't come up with even ONE example where there is a 99% black ANYTHING that turns out good?

If "rejection" was a sport...

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No "expectation" would be their sport...EXPECTING someone else...a man...to do something THEY want done!

[Rockyrd]

EXACTLY...my God woman...you ARE dense.

Go look at the men's column...now look at the women's column...is there ANYTHING that the women BEAT the men in? Just ONE? No...there isn't...meaning men ARE superior to ALL women in sports.

Let's do a thought experiment...I know...it's HARD...but bear with me.

The minorities are ALSO inferior to white people the same way women are inferior to men in sports. They are BETTER at certain sports but INFERIOR in everything else.

Let's say in education...if we divided education into white/Asina and black/Hispanic...we would see the same thing. A GAP...where one side ALWAYS outperforms the other.

THIS is the reality of the racial/gender situation. Delusion, pretending, laws, QUOTAS does not "make it" reality...it destroys. We've gone from #1 to #25 BECAUSE the population has gone from 90% white to 49%.

The villages will change too IF we allow an influx of minorities...it's what ALWAYS happens...when it's "white" it runs well, is organized, is calm and peaceful, everyone is prosperous...when it's "minority", diversified...it sucks...EVERY time.

You can't come up with even ONE example where there is a 99% black ANYTHING that turns out good?



No "expectation" would be their sport...EXPECTING someone else...a man...to do something THEY want done!

38 Black Entrepreneurs Share Their Origin Stories (http://tech.co/38-black-entrepreneurs-share-origin-stories-2015-02)

Sunny Williams, Founder of Tiny Docs

...."“In a not so past life, I was a big law attorney in Chicago. My honeymoon period of practicing law lasted for about 17 minutes. Every day, I woke up absolute dreading going to work. You see, ever since I was in elementary school, I imagined living a big, meaningful life. But in order to live that big, meaningful life, one must be passionate about what s/he does. Quickly, I learned that I was not passionate about practicing law, so continuing the course would mean I would have to defer my dream of living a big meaningful life. "

Mack Jackson, Jr., Owner of MJ Computer Concepts, Inc.

"“Growing up, I always wanted to start and run my own company. I had the entrepreneurial spirit and discovered I had an aptitude in computer programming so I wanted to marry the two. I worked for several companies as a software programmer. As an employee, I developed my skills in my craft; but I also knew I needed to learn about the operational aspects of running a business, so I was a sponge, picking up everything I could from my supervisors and company owners. Having the desire to be more creative and the drive to be my own boss kept me focused on my goals.


AND 36 OTHERS....

10 Most Successful African-American CEOs of All Time | Business Insurance Quotes: Compare Providers for Free (http://www.businessinsurance.org/10-most-successful-african-american-ceos-of-all-time/)

Kenneth Frazier

"Here's something good to come out of Penn State: Kenneth Frazier, CEO of Merck & Co., Inc. He's the first African-American CEO of a pharmaceutical company, and only the second lawyer to become a CEO of big pharma.

Ursula Burns

Women have it hard. African-American women have it harder. African-American businesswomen have it triple tough, and that's just the truth. A first-generation American citizen and raised in the housing projects of New York City, Ursula Burns defied many odds and, as of 2009, is the CEO of paper and copy giant Xerox.

PLUS OTHERS

Top 10 African-American Owned Businesses | Investopedia (http://www.investopedia.com/articles/markets/121615/top-10-africanamerican-owned-businesses.asp)

"World Wide Technology, Inc., a Maryland Heights, Mo-based IT products and services firm, was started in 1990 by David Steward, who remains chairman of the board. This firm enables its customers to implement technology. With more than $6 billion in revenue at the end of 2013, the firm employs about 3,000 people."

"ACT-1 Group, Inc. a business founded by Janice Bryant Howroyd in 1978, is a global firm that helps other businesses manage their workforce and employment needs. Based in Torrance, Calif., the firm started off as an employment agency. As of 2013, the firm employed more than 2,000 people and its revenues were about $2.2 billion."


AND MANY MORE

"http://www.essence.com/galleries/25-black-women-entrepreneurs#115651

"Cathy Hughes
9/32
From teenage mother to media power player, Hughes is the founder of Radio One, which includes 53 radio stations in the U.S., and TVOne, a cable network. At one point during the early stages of her career, she lost her home and was forced to live with relatives as she rebuilt her company into what is now one of the biggest media companies in the world.

"Birame Sock
23/32
Blazing a path in the tech industry, Birame Sock is the CEO and founder of Third Solutions, the marketing company behind MyReceipts.com, which lets users keep track of their receipts online.


AN MANY MORE

LOTS MORE OUT THERE.

I WONDER IF THEY VISIT A FORUM AND WONDER ABOUT THOSE RICH GUYS JUST COMPLAINING AND COMPLAINING WHILE SITTING ON THEIR BUTTS.

AND THIS ABOUT ECONOMICS IS WORTH THE LEAD.....MAYBE, I DOUBT IT, YOU MIGHT READ ALL OF THESE.

YOU DON'T WANT THOSE FOLKS TALKING ABOUT YOU ON A FORUM SOMEWHERE AS ONE OF THE POOR WHITES WITH NO EDUCATION AND LACK OF LEADERSHIP OR VISION.

YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE A LOW SELF ESTEEM PROBLEM AND ARE IN FEAR OF STRONG WOMEN OR ANYONE NOT EXACTLY LIKE YOU.

YOU PICK OUT AREAS WHERE YOU MIGHT FEEL SUPERIOR BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO WHERE ELSE TO LOOK TO FIND ANYONE WHO IS LESS THAN YOU.

SURPRISE......NOTHING IS BECAUSE OF SKIN COLOR. INSIDE IS WHAT MAKES YOU WHAT YOU ARE.

[rubicon]

:1rotfl:

The soapbox bloviator is trying to lecture me about reading, comprehension...and confirmation bias? :oops:

Methinks you need to go back and read your own post again, then read mine...and realize that I simply pegged your rant perfectly. :thumbup:

I'm the one that stated I believe in 'checks and balances' by not putting one party in charge of everything, but all you EVER do is to stand on your soapbox, lecture of the evils of anything to the left of your extreme right positions...and refuse to acknowledge yours and your own party's failings.

That you think soft-pedaling denigrating remarks should give you some kind of brownie points, versus those of us who are simply direct with the truth...is a very good insight into your own insecurities. ;)

While you love to view yourself as a pseudo-intellectual who evaluates both sides...you're simply a blinded Chump Apologist. :ohdear:



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

Your funny. How am I funny...you mean.......:D

Personal Best Regards:

[rubicon]

I came to the obvious conclusion quite some time ago...that he IS that self-centered. :oops:

I don't believe he has a clue as to how desperate he comes across to decent, intelligent folks when he stands on his soapbox bloviating...while never being able to support his own position with facts or links.

It's clear that he actually thinks people should believe him...based solely on the fact that he's the one saying it.

That takes a special kind of deafness...and an inability to utilize cognitive thinking. :ohdear:

The fact that he's been caught many times plagiarizing, tells me that he pours over other extreme right-wingnuts material to find nuggets...that he can slightly reword and pass off as his own.

Pretty sad and pathetic...when you think about it.

Can't you think for yourself ? ggeeezzz

Personal Best Regards:

[Don Baldwin]

38 Black Entrepreneurs Share Their Origin Stories (http://tech.co/38-black-entrepreneurs-share-origin-stories-2015-02)

Sunny Williams, Founder of Tiny Docs

...."“In a not so past life, I was a big law attorney in Chicago. My honeymoon period of practicing law lasted for about 17 minutes. Every day, I woke up absolute dreading going to work. You see, ever since I was in elementary school, I imagined living a big, meaningful life. But in order to live that big, meaningful life, one must be passionate about what s/he does. Quickly, I learned that I was not passionate about practicing law, so continuing the course would mean I would have to defer my dream of living a big meaningful life. "

Mack Jackson, Jr., Owner of MJ Computer Concepts, Inc.

"“Growing up, I always wanted to start and run my own company. I had the entrepreneurial spirit and discovered I had an aptitude in computer programming so I wanted to marry the two. I worked for several companies as a software programmer. As an employee, I developed my skills in my craft; but I also knew I needed to learn about the operational aspects of running a business, so I was a sponge, picking up everything I could from my supervisors and company owners. Having the desire to be more creative and the drive to be my own boss kept me focused on my goals.


AND 36 OTHERS....

10 Most Successful African-American CEOs of All Time | Business Insurance Quotes: Compare Providers for Free (http://www.businessinsurance.org/10-most-successful-african-american-ceos-of-all-time/)

Kenneth Frazier

"Here's something good to come out of Penn State: Kenneth Frazier, CEO of Merck & Co., Inc. He's the first African-American CEO of a pharmaceutical company, and only the second lawyer to become a CEO of big pharma.

Ursula Burns

Women have it hard. African-American women have it harder. African-American businesswomen have it triple tough, and that's just the truth. A first-generation American citizen and raised in the housing projects of New York City, Ursula Burns defied many odds and, as of 2009, is the CEO of paper and copy giant Xerox.

PLUS OTHERS

Top 10 African-American Owned Businesses | Investopedia (http://www.investopedia.com/articles/markets/121615/top-10-africanamerican-owned-businesses.asp)

"World Wide Technology, Inc., a Maryland Heights, Mo-based IT products and services firm, was started in 1990 by David Steward, who remains chairman of the board. This firm enables its customers to implement technology. With more than $6 billion in revenue at the end of 2013, the firm employs about 3,000 people."

"ACT-1 Group, Inc. a business founded by Janice Bryant Howroyd in 1978, is a global firm that helps other businesses manage their workforce and employment needs. Based in Torrance, Calif., the firm started off as an employment agency. As of 2013, the firm employed more than 2,000 people and its revenues were about $2.2 billion."


AND MANY MORE

"http://www.essence.com/galleries/25-black-women-entrepreneurs#115651

"Cathy Hughes
9/32
From teenage mother to media power player, Hughes is the founder of Radio One, which includes 53 radio stations in the U.S., and TVOne, a cable network. At one point during the early stages of her career, she lost her home and was forced to live with relatives as she rebuilt her company into what is now one of the biggest media companies in the world.

"Birame Sock
23/32
Blazing a path in the tech industry, Birame Sock is the CEO and founder of Third Solutions, the marketing company behind MyReceipts.com, which lets users keep track of their receipts online.


AN MANY MORE

LOTS MORE OUT THERE.

I WONDER IF THEY VISIT A FORUM AND WONDER ABOUT THOSE RICH GUYS JUST COMPLAINING AND COMPLAINING WHILE SITTING ON THEIR BUTTS.

AND THIS ABOUT ECONOMICS IS WORTH THE LEAD.....MAYBE, I DOUBT IT, YOU MIGHT READ ALL OF THESE.

YOU DON'T WANT THOSE FOLKS TALKING ABOUT YOU ON A FORUM SOMEWHERE AS ONE OF THE POOR WHITES WITH NO EDUCATION AND LACK OF LEADERSHIP OR VISION.

YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE A LOW SELF ESTEEM PROBLEM AND ARE IN FEAR OF STRONG WOMEN OR ANYONE NOT EXACTLY LIKE YOU.

YOU PICK OUT AREAS WHERE YOU MIGHT FEEL SUPERIOR BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO WHERE ELSE TO LOOK TO FIND ANYONE WHO IS LESS THAN YOU.

SURPRISE......NOTHING IS BECAUSE OF SKIN COLOR. INSIDE IS WHAT MAKES YOU WHAT YOU ARE.

They did nothing meaningful...these are bullsh!t companies selling CRAP. Lets see what we have here...

A secret shopper? THAT is the great accomplishment?

"While working for a corporation, I wrote reviews in the local African-American newspaper for arts events and restaurants. I absolutely loved being a secret-shopper of sorts. Then, a few friends asked me to secret-shop their small businesses, so I did."

What else... Assessment tools?

"I decided to develop one of my research projects into Clearview360, a company spun out of the university, which offers a suite of assessment tools for healthcare organizations. Clearview360 provides tools that assess patient experience, health literacy, cultural competency, and employee engagement of healthcare organizations.”

Tush-ups? Really? THAT is a great achievement?

“I started my business because after the birth of my fourth child I did not feel comfortable or confident in my fitness clothing and found that other women had the same issues. So I created “Tush Ups” which have a built-in seamless panty, slimming effect, and rear pockets where removable buttock enhancement pads can be added for a boost."

Selling jewelry?

"A self-taught graphic designer, I founded TurnerHill – a brand identity design firm – and worked with small businesses and non-profits to create memorable and engaging print and online identity systems. A web developer with a passion for style, I sought to update my professional look with jewelry that could make the transition from client meeting to social dinner. Finding this however was a daunting task. Either the jewelry was way out of my young professional budget, cheap in quality, or there was barely a selection at all. This was a problem so I set out to fix it. I created ERIN/ANDERSON – the online destination for desk-to-dinner fashion jewelry at a guilt-free price point.”

That's the fist four...I'm not wasting my time with the rest...THAT is ALL you could find? The BEST that blacks can do? A secret shopper, assessment tools for customer experience, butt lifting pants, and jewelry...

Yup...they're surely our equal...just FULL of Newtons and Einsteins.

The 1% of blacks and this is it...their great achievements.

How about the OTHER 99% who don't amount to sh!t? What about them? How come you never bring up the 99%? The ones who live by MLK Blvd...the one's YOU are AFRAID to go visit...there's no way I could get ANY of you liberals here to walk down MLK Blvd in St Louis or Chicago, or Detroit...but I DEFY you to find a road that is in a 99% white town like the villages where a black can't walk in PERFECT safety.

You are protecting another species that would like to see you gone.

You write in all caps...you call me vile things...and you're completely, 100% wrong.

Why do YOU Rocky HAVE to defend them? Why can't they defend themselves? You defend them like they're children or retarded...because compared to US...they ARE.

I'm trying to get you to open up your eyes so we don't lose this FORMERLY great country to Mexicans/blacks.

[ColdNoMore]

Your funny. How am I funny...you mean.......

Personal Best Regards:

You're....a pseudo-intellectual and a fake. :ho:



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

[dirtbanker]

And (unt is a bold face liar

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[dirtbanker]

Rockface - WTF? You and Don working the racist theme together? You guys PMing each other? You provide data that he slapped down like he knew it was coming..either you are working with him or you can't argue your way out of a paper sack.

You knew Don was comparing African Americans to Caucasian Americans,, and you post "softball" links..

Why did you not post links to the 38 African Americans that outsold Caucasian Americans??

Why did you not post 10 African American CEO'S that are more successful than all Caucasian American CEOs??

Think idiot! Think outside the box, post a few communities that are 99% white and violent...

Blow him out of the water...there are multiple story buildings in Africa and they are not built out of mud!




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[dirtbanker]

Not worth the effort. You guys epitomize "sick in the head".

I still think both of you do this for fun.....anyone serious would have been put on media long ago...then...

Anyway, just read you can be ignored in this forum...bye

So you see Rockface and Don are in cahoots too!

Good advice on ignoring them, thanks!!

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[MDLNB]

It's FICTION...a MOVIE...it's NOT real. Women NEVER beat men.

Rainman went to see a Disney cartoon because he heard they had gay candlesticks. :1rotfl:

[Don Baldwin]

Rockface - WTF? You and Don working the racist theme together? You guys PMing each other? You provide data that he slapped down like he knew it was coming..either you are working with him or you can't argue your way out of a paper sack.

You knew Don was comparing African Americans to Caucasian Americans,, and you post "softball" links..

Why did you not post links to the 38 African Americans that outsold Caucasian Americans??

Why did you not post 10 African American CEO'S that are more successful than all Caucasian American CEOs??

Think idiot! Think outside the box, post a few communities that are 99% white and violent...

Blow him out of the water...there are multiple story buildings in Africa and they are not built out of mud!




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Sorry man...madam...whatever...

It's just too easy to rip apart "equality" because there is none. Like I said...I read the 1st four from his link and saw right away how lame their "businesses" were.

There ARE NO blacks who outsold ALL the whites. A slight few may have outsold a few whites, but whites DOMINATE the corporate world.

There are no black CEOs better than all the whites. There may be a few, but not very many. People want the best, if there's a black there, it's propaganda...they WANT the black customer. CEOs just do with a smile and a pep talk what the board wants anyway...anyone COULD be the CEO...just like anyone COULD be the president.

There are NO 99% white violent communities like there are violent black communities...you might find one or two, but there are literally THOUSANDS of violent black communities.

Yes...there ARE some multistory buildings in Africa...but they are outside influence. Much of Africa didn't have the wheel a few hundred years ago. They are cave men thrown into a modern world.

But you knew all this already and are simply baiting the idiots who have no clue how brainwashed they are.

[autumnspring]

OK, just so we keep this in the realm of rational thought, the post to which my post responded was intelligently, if incorrectly, theorizing that all political partisanship in America was caused by those on the left. I simply pointed out, by listing those right wing groups, that some of it also comes from the right. I'm not sure how your rant addresses that issue at all, but maybe you can calmly explain without including Monica's dress and racism, which have nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

Sadly. you are blind to the facts.

You express your dismay about people blaming the left.
Did your not see OBAMA blame it all on the Republicans-the right. You and so many other liberals hold the conservatives the Republicans to a higher standard then you do your own.
Sadly, I agree with you. With people like Obama, Billy and Hillary how can anyone call them honorable.
As to racisim-that is the charge of the left wing. I am not a racist-I AM HOWEVER ANTI GIMMMMMEEEEEEE AND ANTI YOU OWE ME. I for one do not advise people unless IT IS THE WAY I RUN MY LIFE.

[Cedwards38]

Sadly. you are blind to the facts.

You express your dismay about people blaming the left.
Did your not see OBAMA blame it all on the Republicans-the right. You and so many other liberals hold the conservatives the Republicans to a higher standard then you do your own.
Sadly, I agree with you. With people like Obama, Billy and Hillary how can anyone call them honorable.
As to racisim-that is the charge of the left wing. I am not a racist-I AM HOWEVER ANTI GIMMMMMEEEEEEE AND ANTI YOU OWE ME. I for one do not advise people unless IT IS THE WAY I RUN MY LIFE.

You are, I fear, PARTISAN, thus incapable of seeing that political partisanship comes from the right. left, and center.

[autumnspring]

ignore list still working on political forum.

Nice! I can see who posted too but not what they wrote. It silences the jealous insecure trolls on here.

If someone thinks i need to see something. Quote the jerk. Otherwise just ignore the dingleberry. It usually is dirtbag or dingleberry now. Offal seems to be taking a break.

first not to be like many of the posters.

Second what a dingleberry is. I either hung out in better or worse circles-we called them. After star trek-klingons.

[Taltarzac725]

first not to be like many of the posters.

Second what a dingleberry is. I either hung out in better or worse circles-we called them. After star trek-klingons.

Used to hear that word once in a while from Butch a fellow Earl Wooster High School attendee when a pretty girl liked me more than that guy. Locker room talk.

These people on my Ignore List sure post a lot except for affald. Maybe he is on another deserved "vacation" thanks to the Moderator but who knows.

[joldnol]

Gerrymandering, no term limits, money in elections, and no need to balance federal budget. IMO

And most people selectively silo their news sources.

[rubicon]

You're....a pseudo-intellectual and a fake. :ho:



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

I am curious what number did you assign to the above robo post? Is it #2, #3. #1?

Also how do you determine when you want to use #3 as opposed to #1?

Is it based on how emotionally involved you become . I mean do you say "that post makes me really mad it deserves a #1" or "that one is kind of mild it rates a #3."

Do you have specially designed robo-responses for me?

Truly a peaceful and joyful Easter.

Personal Best Regards:

[ColdNoMore]

I am curious what number did you assign to the above robo post? Is it #2, #3. #1?

Also how do you determine when you want to use #3 as opposed to #1?

Is it based on how emotionally involved you become . I mean do you say "that post makes me really mad it deserves a #1" or "that one is kind of mild it rates a #3."

Do you have specially designed robo-responses for me?

Truly a peaceful and joyful Easter.

Personal Best Regards:

1. When to use You're and Your | Learn English (http://www.ecenglish.com/learnenglish/youre-vs-your)

2. The difference between you're and your (grammar lesson) (http://www.grammar-monster.com/easily_confused/youre_your.htm)

3. How to correctly use your and you're - Quora (https://www.quora.com/How-do-you-correctly-use-your-and-youre)


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Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

[Cedwards38]

My theory on partisanship today is that people treat elections and political parties like sports contests and favorite sports teams. Once they commit to the left or right, they support that "team" regardless of the circumstances. Partisans won't listen to any type of fact or reason that suggests that their team may be in the wrong. Your team can be terrible, but you will cheer for that team no matter what.

It's no longer about good government, but only about winning. It explains the irrational bashing of Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama, and now Donald Trump. I don't think it was as bad during the administrations of Ronald Reagan or George H. W. Bush.

How Congress became so partisan, in 4 charts - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/04/14/how-congress-became-more-partisan-over-time-in-four-charts./?utm_term=.fcbafaf4f53e)

[Rockyrd]

My theory on partisanship today is that people treat elections and political parties like sports contests and favorite sports teams. Once they commit to the left or right, they support that "team" regardless of the circumstances. Partisans won't listen to any type of fact or reason that suggests that their team may be in the wrong. Your team can be terrible, but you will cheer for that team no matter what.

It's no longer about good government, but only about winning. It explains the irrational bashing of Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama, and now Donald Trump. I don't think it was as bad during the administrations of Ronald Reagan or George H. W. Bush.

How Congress became so partisan, in 4 charts - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/04/14/how-congress-became-more-partisan-over-time-in-four-charts./?utm_term=.fcbafaf4f53e)

Great post. I think you got it.

In present time, we see Trump supporters getting wrenched backs twisting to change positions with him.

Why do you think issues are not discussed on here. Folks lock in with Trump and it matters not what YOU think but what he thinks.

It is not just Trump, as it permeates both parties.

I first felt this during the Bush/Gore campaign and felt it was sealed with all the controversy in that election. Each party now has to get even and become a party of NO.

[MDLNB]

Democrats are not just the party of "NO", they are the radicals that believe that violence is OK against their own fellow Americans. Democrats are enemies of Democracy and Freedom, therefore they are the enemies of America. Sounds harsh, but they are proving it blatantly every day since the election. Waters (James Brown hair) says she will try to get Trump impeached every day. She is just one stupid elected that says Trump is evil and should be impeached. NOT ONE of them has ever suggested WHY he should be impeached, only that he must be removed. They would even support a felon like Hillary, just so they can be winners. They even supported a Socialist in their party, which is Anti-American. The old Democrat party is dead and the new Anti-American Socialist or commie party has replaced it. And our liberal democrat friends are still using OLD liberal talking points.

[Don Baldwin]

My theory on partisanship today is that people treat elections and political parties like sports contests and favorite sports teams. Once they commit to the left or right, they support that "team" regardless of the circumstances. Partisans won't listen to any type of fact or reason that suggests that their team may be in the wrong. Your team can be terrible, but you will cheer for that team no matter what.

It's no longer about good government, but only about winning. It explains the irrational bashing of Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama, and now Donald Trump. I don't think it was as bad during the administrations of Ronald Reagan or George H. W. Bush.

How Congress became so partisan, in 4 charts - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/04/14/how-congress-became-more-partisan-over-time-in-four-charts./?utm_term=.fcbafaf4f53e)

60% of the Rs will vote straight R no matter what. 60% of the Ds will vote straight D no matter what. 40% of the population is what's up for grabs...NOT that it matters because ALL the candidates are shills.

Not much different from religion where they simply "believe" no matter what.

[Cedwards38]

Democrats are not just the party of "NO", they are the radicals that believe that violence is OK against their own fellow Americans. Democrats are enemies of Democracy and Freedom, therefore they are the enemies of America. Sounds harsh, but they are proving it blatantly every day since the election. Waters (James Brown hair) says she will try to get Trump impeached every day. She is just one stupid elected that says Trump is evil and should be impeached. NOT ONE of them has ever suggested WHY he should be impeached, only that he must be removed. They would even support a felon like Hillary, just so they can be winners. They even supported a Socialist in their party, which is Anti-American. The old Democrat party is dead and the new Anti-American Socialist or commie party has replaced it. And our liberal democrat friends are still using OLD liberal talking points.

No offense, but this is a perfect example of a partisan post. You think everything is the fault of the Democrats and call them the party of NO. But that is exactly what the Republicans did during the Obama term in office. They obstructed every major effort of his Presidency. They were referred to by the press and others as the Party of NO. Like most people, you are just so partisan you can't see any fault on your own party. Not only do Ds and Rs not work together, but they don't even like each other. It wasn't always that way.

[graciegirl]

60% of the Rs will vote straight R no matter what. 60% of the Ds will vote straight D no matter what. 40% of the population is what's up for grabs...NOT that it matters because ALL the candidates are shills.

Not much different from religion where they simply "believe" no matter what.

Horse****.

I have voted both parties and now I can hardly stomach either one.

I am tired of people being purchased. I don't fit either party. I am much more traditional, much more patriotic and much less religious than I have been in the past. I think I have lots of company.

[Don Baldwin]

[/B]Horse****.

I have voted both parties and now I can hardly stomach either one.

I am tired of people being purchased. I don't fit either party. I am much more traditional, much more patriotic and much less religious than I have been in the past. I think I have lots of company.

"Horsesh!t"?

You're part of the 40% that's all.

Come in Gracie...you're smarter than that.

Patriotic? Towards what? Your country has changed...it isn't #1 any more. It isn't "white" any more. It ISN'T great any more. It's going to be Mexico II within 30 years. IF you want to be "patriotic", help me to SAVE the America WE loved. It IS changing and not for the better...we're down to #25 and falling...

[MDLNB]

No offense, but this is a perfect example of a partisan post. You think everything is the fault of the Democrats and call them the party of NO. But that is exactly what the Republicans did during the Obama term in office. They obstructed every major effort of his Presidency. They were referred to by the press and others as the Party of NO. Like most people, you are just so partisan you can't see any fault on your own party. Not only do Ds and Rs not work together, but they don't even like each other. It wasn't always that way.

Of course, it's a partisan post. I'm mostly conservative and I have nothing in common with today's socialists that muck about under the guise of the Democrat label.

Yes, Obama did see opposition. Opposition to his radical agenda. Opposition with a purpose of doing their jobs, not just radical protests and demonstrations like a bunch of kids. Congress has a job to do and they are not there to fight the person. Schumer and ilk are fighting the person (Trump) not the agenda. It is not ideology with the left now. It's an agenda of furthering anarchy. The left has turned into a protest against law and order. A protest against anything that resembles morality and a protest against ethics.

For once, we have a president in D.C. that actually does not NEED the job but wants to make a difference to our country. The left does not protest his agenda, but just him. They don't like him, thus he has to go. He is not ONE of them, so he has to go. The old Democratic party was my family's party, but has disappeared to be replaced by an anti-American, shadow or bizorro image of what the party once stood for. It's a shame. But, now the Democrat party (in name only) is the enemy of America and the American way.

Obama received opposition to his socialist agenda. Good for the minority party that probably saved America from totally going bankrupt. Obama wished only to give someone else's money away, regardless of the consequences.

The Republican party is not perfect, but it has received a wake up call, in the form of Trump. In the old days, little towns hired gunslingers to clean up the town. Once the town was free of criminals, the gunslinger was an embarrassment that they wished to run out of town. The gov has been known to hire computer hackers to fix their security leaks. The point is that Trump may not fit the mold of diplomat, but he is definitely what America needs right now.

[Cedwards38]

Of course, it's a partisan post. I'm mostly conservative and I have nothing in common with today's socialists that muck about under the guise of the Democrat label.

Yes, Obama did see opposition. Opposition to his radical agenda. Opposition with a purpose of doing their jobs, not just radical protests and demonstrations like a bunch of kids. Congress has a job to do and they are not there to fight the person. Schumer and ilk are fighting the person (Trump) not the agenda. It is not ideology with the left now. It's an agenda of furthering anarchy. The left has turned into a protest against law and order. A protest against anything that resembles morality and a protest against ethics.

For once, we have a president in D.C. that actually does not NEED the job but wants to make a difference to our country. The left does not protest his agenda, but just him. They don't like him, thus he has to go. He is not ONE of them, so he has to go. The old Democratic party was my family's party, but has disappeared to be replaced by an anti-American, shadow or bizorro image of what the party once stood for. It's a shame. But, now the Democrat party (in name only) is the enemy of America and the American way.

Obama received opposition to his socialist agenda. Good for the minority party that probably saved America from totally going bankrupt. Obama wished only to give someone else's money away, regardless of the consequences.

The Republican party is not perfect, but it has received a wake up call, in the form of Trump. In the old days, little towns hired gunslingers to clean up the town. Once the town was free of criminals, the gunslinger was an embarrassment that they wished to run out of town. The gov has been known to hire computer hackers to fix their security leaks. The point is that Trump may not fit the mold of diplomat, but he is definitely what America needs right now.

Just as an experiment related to the topic of this thread, exactly how far does your partisanship go? For example, are you troubled at all by:

1. The alleged Russian connections to the Trump Campaign?
2. The flip flopping on issues from the Trump Campaign to the Trump Presidency? (like who pays for the wall, NATO, China as a currency manipulator, healthcare will be better and cheaper, Muslim ban, prosecuting Hillary Clinton, Janet Yellin, etc)
3. The late night tweeting?
4. The accusations of Trump Tower being wire tapped?
5. The narcissism?
6. The bashing of Goldman Sachs and then hiring so many former GS execs to serve in the cabinet?
7. The outright lies that Trump tells, which his staff calls "alternative facts" and refuses to address in press briefings, and tells us that we can not take him literally?

So, I get your partisanship, but could any of these issues actually change your mind about our current POTUS?

[ColdNoMore]

Just as an experiment related to the topic of this thread, exactly how far does your partisanship go? For example, are you troubled at all by:

1. The alleged Russian connections to the Trump Campaign?
2. The flip flopping on issues from the Trump Campaign to the Trump Presidency? (like who pays for the wall, NATO, China as a currency manipulator, healthcare will be better and cheaper, Muslim ban, prosecuting Hillary Clinton, Janet Yellin, etc)
3. The late night tweeting?
4. The accusations of Trump Tower being wire tapped?
5. The narcissism?
6. The bashing of Goldman Sachs and then hiring so many former GS execs to serve in the cabinet?
7. The outright lies that Trump tells, which his staff calls "alternative facts" and refuses to address in press briefings, and tells us that we can not take him literally?

So, I get your partisanship, but could any of these issues actually change your mind about our current POTUS?

I think the answer to your last question...is pretty clear regarding a number of posters here.

"NOTHING will change my love for Chump!" :oops:

That they embrace and worship his narcissism, lying, simpleton views and wealth...has been pretty well established by now. :ohdear:

The strongest connection they have with Trump, is a personality defect of being incapable...of admitting they are ever wrong.

[Taltarzac725]

I think the answer to your last question...is pretty clear regarding a number of posters here.

"NOTHING will change my love for Chump!" :oops:

That they embrace and worship his narcissism, lying, simpleton views and wealth...has been pretty well established by now. :ohdear:

The strongest connection they have with Trump, is a personality defect of being incapable...of admitting they are ever wrong.

And they probably brag about grabbing women by the ......

[dirtbanker]

Just as an experiment related to the topic of this thread, exactly how far does your partisanship go? For example, are you troubled at all by:

I know you did not ask me but I thought you had some good questions and wanted to offer my answers.

1. The alleged Russian connections to the Trump Campaign? I think it is bull$hit political chatter to undermine his win. I feel our own media tried to influence the election!!

2. The flip flopping on issues from the Trump Campaign to the Trump Presidency? (like who pays for the wall, NATO, China as a currency manipulator, healthcare will be better and cheaper, Muslim ban, prosecuting Hillary Clinton, Janet Yellin, etc) I sometime change my mind on large expenditures and sometimes it is not financially feasible , It would be hypocritical of me to have a problem with a change in plans.

3. The late night tweeting? I don't stay up late and I don't tweet. If you or Trump are into that - have at it.

4. The accusations of Trump Tower being wire tapped? The fat lady has not sung on this. My initial thoughts were he was misinformed by someone that works for him or we are being misinformed from someone that worked for Obamma (Rice).

5. The narcissism? That's your diagnosis, not sure you are qualified to make it...if you are, I suspect you might be your best client.

6. The bashing of Goldman Sachs and then hiring so many former GS execs to serve in the cabinet? It must not be as easy to find financially talented people as Trump thought it was and you think it is?

7. The outright lies that Trump tells, which his staff calls "alternative facts" and refuses to address in press briefings, and tells us that we can not take him literally? I have no confidence in the media today, if you do - have at it. I think the media got egg on their face trying to make Crooked Hillary president and they are upset about his ability to cut them out of the process


So, I get your partisanship, but could any of these issues actually change your mind about our current POTUS? I really doubt it. I felt Obamma was a POS and Crooked Hillary would be more Obamma...I was not going to waste my vote on a person that could not garner more than 1% of the nation's votes...so Trump is the best option we had. I am happy with his progress and disapointed with the anti Trump crap.





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[MDLNB]

I know you did not ask me but I thought you had some good questions and wanted to offer my answers.

1. The alleged Russian connections to the Trump Campaign? I think it is bull$hit political chatter to undermine his win. I feel our own media tried to influence the election!!

2. The flip flopping on issues from the Trump Campaign to the Trump Presidency? (like who pays for the wall, NATO, China as a currency manipulator, healthcare will be better and cheaper, Muslim ban, prosecuting Hillary Clinton, Janet Yellin, etc) I sometime change my mind on large expenditures and sometimes it is not financially feasible , It would be hypocritical of me to have a problem with a change in plans.

3. The late night tweeting? I don't stay up late and I don't tweet. If you or Trump are into that - have at it.

4. The accusations of Trump Tower being wire tapped? The fat lady has not sung on this. My initial thoughts were he was misinformed by someone that works for him or we are being misinformed from someone that worked for Obamma (Rice).

5. The narcissism? That's your diagnosis, not sure you are qualified to make it...if you are, I suspect you might be your best client.

6. The bashing of Goldman Sachs and then hiring so many former GS execs to serve in the cabinet? It must not be as easy to find financially talented people as Trump thought it was and you think it is?

7. The outright lies that Trump tells, which his staff calls "alternative facts" and refuses to address in press briefings, and tells us that we can not take him literally? I have no confidence in the media today, if you do - have at it. I think the media got egg on their face trying to make Crooked Hillary president and they are upset about his ability to cut them out of the process


So, I get your partisanship, but could any of these issues actually change your mind about our current POTUS? I really doubt it. I felt Obamma was a POS and Crooked Hillary would be more Obamma...I was not going to waste my vote on a person that could not garner more than 1% of the nation's votes...so Trump is the best option we had. I am happy with his progress and disapointed with the anti Trump crap.





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Excellent post! There is no use for me to answer those questions, when you have pretty much covered them with answers that I concur with.

The left still insists on attacking the person rather than the agenda or any policies. They still don't seem to understand that their party is circling the drain and they are simply paddling the boat to speed it up.

[Cedwards38]

I know you did not ask me but I thought you had some good questions and wanted to offer my answers.

1. The alleged Russian connections to the Trump Campaign? I think it is bull$hit political chatter to undermine his win. I feel our own media tried to influence the election!!

2. The flip flopping on issues from the Trump Campaign to the Trump Presidency? (like who pays for the wall, NATO, China as a currency manipulator, healthcare will be better and cheaper, Muslim ban, prosecuting Hillary Clinton, Janet Yellin, etc) I sometime change my mind on large expenditures and sometimes it is not financially feasible , It would be hypocritical of me to have a problem with a change in plans.

3. The late night tweeting? I don't stay up late and I don't tweet. If you or Trump are into that - have at it.

4. The accusations of Trump Tower being wire tapped? The fat lady has not sung on this. My initial thoughts were he was misinformed by someone that works for him or we are being misinformed from someone that worked for Obamma (Rice).

5. The narcissism? That's your diagnosis, not sure you are qualified to make it...if you are, I suspect you might be your best client.

6. The bashing of Goldman Sachs and then hiring so many former GS execs to serve in the cabinet? It must not be as easy to find financially talented people as Trump thought it was and you think it is?

7. The outright lies that Trump tells, which his staff calls "alternative facts" and refuses to address in press briefings, and tells us that we can not take him literally? I have no confidence in the media today, if you do - have at it. I think the media got egg on their face trying to make Crooked Hillary president and they are upset about his ability to cut them out of the process


So, I get your partisanship, but could any of these issues actually change your mind about our current POTUS? I really doubt it. I felt Obamma was a POS and Crooked Hillary would be more Obamma...I was not going to waste my vote on a person that could not garner more than 1% of the nation's votes...so Trump is the best option we had. I am happy with his progress and disapointed with the anti Trump crap.





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I respect your answer and appreciate that you took the time to respond to my questions. Seriously, I truly mean that. We many disagree, but we can still respect each other's right to express an opinion. I wouldn't ask if I didn't want an answer. Your responses give this thread some significant insight into it's topic, which is political partisanship. So in the spirit of further study of partisanship:

May I follow up? Let's forget about Obama and Clinton as they are not the President of the United States.

1. So then, are you in favor of the Congress continuing to investigate the Russian connection to the 2016 elections? Why or why not?

2. So, you forgive financial feasibility mistakes. I'm ok with that, but what about the other issues I list? Do we forgive those too?

3. Like you, I don't tweet. Twitter is not my thing. I've been known to stay up late, but not usually. Now that those issues are resolved, the reason I ask is that tweets are public and when the POTUS speaks publically, it matters, right? So, if he states national policy in tweets, or accuses someone of deeds with no proof of those accusations being true, is that a problem?

4. I think from your response that you, like me, want to continue to investigate this matter to determine the truth. If we find that Trump had no basis for the accusation, does he owe former President Obama an apology, and should the Twitter account of the POTUS be shut down?

5. What makes you think I'm a narcissist? I'm really curious on that one. And I didn't diagnose Trump as a narcissist, as you correctly state that I am not qualified. That diagnosis has been done by numerous other qualified analysts writing in national publications. Are those all lies?
A Psychologist Analyzes Donald Trump’s Personality - The Atlantic (https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/06/the-mind-of-donald-trump/480771/)

6. Do all the financially talented people in the US work at, or formerly worked at Goldman Sachs? Just seems ironic that he accused Secretary Clinton of being bought and paid for by Goldman Sachs as a reason to not vote for her, and then he hires so many of the GS alumni. Is that alright with the people who voted for him based on his campaign statements?
Trump used to hate Goldman Sachs. What happened? (https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/12/trump-used-to-hate-goldman-sachs-what-happened)

7. As for the "alternative facts," the untruths have been pretty well documented. Is this OK?
'Alternative Facts': The Needless Lies of the Trump Administration - The Atlantic (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/the-pointless-needless-lies-of-the-trump-administration/514061/)

[MDLNB]

I respect your answer and appreciate that you took the time to respond to my questions. Seriously, I truly mean that. We many disagree, but we can still respect each other's right to express an opinion. I wouldn't ask if I didn't want an answer. Your responses give this thread some significant insight into it's topic, which is political partisanship. So in the spirit of further study of partisanship:

May I follow up? Let's forget about Obama and Clinton as they are not the President of the United States.

1. So then, are you in favor of the Congress continuing to investigate the Russian connection to the 2016 elections? Why or why not?

2. So, you forgive financial feasibility mistakes. I'm ok with that, but what about the other issues I list? Do we forgive those too?

3. Like you, I don't tweet. Twitter is not my thing. I've been known to stay up late, but not usually. Now that those issues are resolved, the reason I ask is that tweets are public and when the POTUS speaks publically, it matters, right? So, if he states national policy in tweets, or accuses someone of deeds with no proof of those accusations being true, is that a problem?

4. I think from your response that you, like me, want to continue to investigate this matter to determine the truth. If we find that Trump had no basis for the accusation, does he owe former President Obama an apology, and should the Twitter account of the POTUS be shut down?

5. What makes you think I'm a narcissist? I'm really curious on that one. And I didn't diagnose Trump as a narcissist, as you correctly state that I am not qualified. That diagnosis has been done by numerous other qualified analysts writing in national publications. Are those all lies?
A Psychologist Analyzes Donald Trump’s Personality - The Atlantic (https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/06/the-mind-of-donald-trump/480771/)

6. Do all the financially talented people in the US work at, or formerly worked at Goldman Sachs? Just seems ironic that he accused Secretary Clinton of being bought and paid for by Goldman Sachs as a reason to not vote for her, and then he hires so many of the GS alumni. Is that alright with the people who voted for him based on his campaign statements?
Trump used to hate Goldman Sachs. What happened? (https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/12/trump-used-to-hate-goldman-sachs-what-happened)

7. As for the "alternative facts," the untruths have been pretty well documented. Is this OK?
'Alternative Facts': The Needless Lies of the Trump Administration - The Atlantic (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/the-pointless-needless-lies-of-the-trump-administration/514061/)

Your problem is that you are STILL attacking the person and not the policies/agenda. You did not question Obama's background, you just voted for him. You did not question his associations with radicals, including the domestic bomber, and his foreign ties to his WWII criminal donor. You are the hypocrite that you accuse others of being. Before you ask your silly questions, why don't you ask yourself what your motivation is for attacking the president AFTER he has been elected.

[Don Baldwin]

Excellent post! There is no use for me to answer those questions, when you have pretty much covered them with answers that I concur with.

The left still insists on attacking the person rather than the agenda or any policies. They still don't seem to understand that their party is circling the drain and they are simply paddling the boat to speed it up.

AMERICA is circling the drain...they DON'T realize it is their policies and the RAPID rise in the minority population that is causing it. By encouraging minorities they ARE speeding it up.

[Cedwards38]

Your problem is that you are STILL attacking the person and not the policies/agenda. You did not question Obama's background, you just voted for him. You did not question his associations with radicals, including the domestic bomber, and his foreign ties to his WWII criminal donor. You are the hypocrite that you accuse others of being. Before you ask your silly questions, why don't you ask yourself what your motivation is for attacking the president AFTER he has been elected.

OK, I don't have a problem. I'm just trying to participate in a discussion about why America is so politically partisan, and if you don't like my opinions about that topic then that is your problem, not mine. If you think my questions are "silly" then ignore them, but someone needs to answer them. The questions were posed to demonstrate that there is partisanship on both sides of the political aisle and not just from the Democrats. If that is wrong, then answer the questions. I'm not attacking the POTUS, but I have every right to oppose his policies, and unlike you, I can do that without hating him or resorting to ridiculous accusations that have no basis in fact.

[MDLNB]

OK, I don't have a problem. I'm just trying to participate in a discussion about why America is so politically partisan, and if you don't like my opinions about that topic then that is your problem, not mine. If you think my questions are "silly" then ignore them, but someone needs to answer them. The questions were posed to demonstrate that there is partisanship on both sides of the political aisle and not just from the Democrats. If that is wrong, then answer the questions. I'm not attacking the POTUS, but I have every right to oppose his policies, and unlike you, I can do that without hating him or resorting to ridiculous accusations that have no basis in fact.

Sorry to call you out in your fragile state, but the fact is that you are showing only that you are partisan based on your dislike for the man, versus any of his policies. That is being disingenuous any way you look at it. Perhaps, in your grief of being a loser, you don't realize that you are not looking at the presidency but at a Hollywood celebrity style personal character preference. That IS your prerogative, but it has nothing to do with being politically partisan. It just means that you wish to be lead purely by your popularity preference.

Making a list of questions that are not pertinent to the subject does not mean you are astute enough to avoid criticism. My point is that according to your list, it would not matter if the person was Dem or Repub, you would rate by personality flaws over ideology. That is not a politically partisan trait, but a popularity trait. Of course, if you pointed out those particular flaws in Trump based on your political difference and could not find any policy flaws, I guess it would be a stretch to make the claim that this could be partisan.

So, to summarize......you don't know how to debate the partisan issue so you are talking out your @ss again. Forgive my rather frank manner of pointing this out to you.

[autumnspring]

Maybe! Do you take huge tax write offs by hiding profits in off shore bank accounts, or pay yourself 500 times what your employees make, or ship jobs to foreign countries to take advantage of cheap labor, or manipulate stock prices with buy backs from company money so that your stock is more valuable? Is your product necessary to sustain the life of those who use it and knowing this you raise the price by 1700 percent?
If you do any of these things than you may be guilty of corporate greed. If not, then no. And BTW, I'm not Copuff.

Your reply indicates that you never established your own business
As to the head of a corporation making 500x what an employee makes. First of all it is obvious that YOU were not the head of a corporation. By the way, I was not either. THINK-your did not get an offer. I did not either.
REASON-you did not go after OR WORK your way up to that position. THE FACT IS YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED FOR THE POSITION. Or at least no one knew your wanted the position or had a reason to place their faith in you increasing the profitably of the corporation. YOUR SOCIALIST VIEWS PROVES YOU ARE UNQUALIFIED TO RUN A MAJOR CORPORATION.

Not only that, YOU are invested in the evil corporations that your criticize. If, you have a pension. If, you have an annuity. If, you have retirement funds-THEY ARE ALL INVESTED IN WHAT YOU SEE AS EVIL.

[graciegirl]

Maybe! Do you take huge tax write offs by hiding profits in off shore bank accounts, or pay yourself 500 times what your employees make, or ship jobs to foreign countries to take advantage of cheap labor, or manipulate stock prices with buy backs from company money so that your stock is more valuable? Is your product necessary to sustain the life of those who use it and knowing this you raise the price by 1700 percent?
If you do any of these things than you may be guilty of corporate greed. If not, then no. And BTW, I'm not Copuff.

You really need to take a class in economics or better yet get over how it is super to spend other people's money. The trouble with those "smart" people who live in Academia is that they lose touch with how the real world functions, although they continue to be dependent on people who operate legitimate businesses for profit. They teach because lots of times they can't "do".

This is not as good as the prior post in answer to you, but folks like you who live in some dream world are the reason that socialism fails. When you run out of other people's money socialism is on the ropes.

[MDLNB]

You really need to take a class in economics or better yet get over how it is super to spend other people's money. The trouble with those "smart" people who live in Academia is that they lose touch with how the real world functions, although they continue to be dependent on people who operate legitimate businesses for profit. They teach because lots of times they can't "do".

This is not as good as the prior post in answer to you, but folks like you who live in some dream world are the reason that socialism fails. When you run out of other people's money socialism is on the ropes.

Good answer! :thumbup:

[Cedwards38]

Your reply indicates that you never established your own business
As to the head of a corporation making 500x what an employee makes. First of all it is obvious that YOU were not the head of a corporation. By the way, I was not either. THINK-your did not get an offer. I did not either.
REASON-you did not go after OR WORK your way up to that position. THE FACT IS YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED FOR THE POSITION. Or at least no one knew your wanted the position or had a reason to place their faith in you increasing the profitably of the corporation. YOUR SOCIALIST VIEWS PROVES YOU ARE UNQUALIFIED TO RUN A MAJOR CORPORATION.

Not only that, YOU are invested in the evil corporations that your criticize. If, you have a pension. If, you have an annuity. If, you have retirement funds-THEY ARE ALL INVESTED IN WHAT YOU SEE AS EVIL.

Just for the record, I do not consider free enterprise and capitalism to be evil. You are right, I've invested in many of them, and my return might have been greater but for the exorbitant salaries and bonuses paid to corporate leadership, and the lucrative stock buy back schemes of CEOs to enhance the value of their own stock at the detriment of dividends.

True enough, I've never been a CEO, though much to your surprise, I have worked many years in the private sector. So I'll plead guilty that I'm not qualified to run a major corporation. Those facts put me squarely in the vast majority of American citizens. I'm happy enough there, thank you very much.

As for democratic socialism as practiced in America, I can see you want nothing to do with that, so please stay off our roads and bridges, do not call our police, fire department, or EMS, don't expect our military to protect you if we are invaded, don't take your Social Security check, refuse Medicare, don't send your children to public school and universities, snowplow your own road to your own house, bury your own garbage in your back yard, keep out of the public library, put up your own streetlights, just to name a few. And by all means, don't vote. Thanks. That should relieve your conscience about being a socialist.

[Cedwards38]

Sorry to call you out in your fragile state, but the fact is that you are showing only that you are partisan based on your dislike for the man, versus any of his policies. That is being disingenuous any way you look at it. Perhaps, in your grief of being a loser, you don't realize that you are not looking at the presidency but at a Hollywood celebrity style personal character preference. That IS your prerogative, but it has nothing to do with being politically partisan. It just means that you wish to be lead purely by your popularity preference.

Making a list of questions that are not pertinent to the subject does not mean you are astute enough to avoid criticism. My point is that according to your list, it would not matter if the person was Dem or Repub, you would rate by personality flaws over ideology. That is not a politically partisan trait, but a popularity trait. Of course, if you pointed out those particular flaws in Trump based on your political difference and could not find any policy flaws, I guess it would be a stretch to make the claim that this could be partisan.

So, to summarize......you don't know how to debate the partisan issue so you are talking out your @ss again. Forgive my rather frank manner of pointing this out to you.

Fragile state? I sure don't feel like I'm in a fragile state, but thank you Doctor Freud for your dimestore analysis.

I want to give my most humble apology. I feel so worthless and uninformed because I've never started a business. Clearly you are a far superior person because you claim that you have. You got me. I've never been a CEO, but I can read and understand economic statistics. You know nothing about me, nor I about you.

Now let me state the truth. Your pathetic schoolyard bully criticisms and playground taunts of me have absolutely no impact. Is that really all you've got? :1rotfl: It simply demonstrates that you have no facts or rational argument to back up any of your opinions relative to the state of political partisanship in America today. Try some facts. Prove me wrong with data or reasoned opinions. Answer my questions about Trump, if you have the courage to be honest.

[dirtbanker]

...so please stay off our roads and bridges, do not call our police, fire department, or EMS, don't expect our military to protect you if we are invaded, don't take your Social Security check, refuse Medicare, don't send your children to public school and universities, snowplow your own road to your own house, bury your own garbage in your back yard, keep out of the public library, put up your own streetlights, just to name a few. And by all means, don't vote. Thanks. That should relieve your conscience about being a socialist.

Can you arrange for a refund for all the years I have paid for things I did not use? And please make arrangements for me to be able to stop paying any further...

Thanks!



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[ColdNoMore]

Just for the record, I do not consider free enterprise and capitalism to be evil. You are right, I've invested in many of them, and my return might have been greater but for the exorbitant salaries and bonuses paid to corporate leadership, and the lucrative stock buy back schemes of CEOs to enhance the value of their own stock at the detriment of dividends.

True enough, I've never been a CEO, though much to your surprise, I have worked many years in the private sector. So I'll plead guilty that I'm not qualified to run a major corporation. Those facts put me squarely in the vast majority of American citizens. I'm happy enough there, thank you very much.

As for democratic socialism as practiced in America, I can see you want nothing to do with that, so please stay off our roads and bridges, do not call our police, fire department, or EMS, don't expect our military to protect you if we are invaded, don't take your Social Security check, refuse Medicare, don't send your children to public school and universities, snowplow your own road to your own house, bury your own garbage in your back yard, keep out of the public library, put up your own streetlights, just to name a few. And by all means, don't vote. Thanks. That should relieve your conscience about being a socialist.

:boom:...:boom:...:boom:


:1rotfl:


:thumbup:

[dillywho]

I know you did not ask me but I thought you had some good questions and wanted to offer my answers.

1. The alleged Russian connections to the Trump Campaign? I think it is bull$hit political chatter to undermine his win. I feel our own media tried to influence the election!!

2. The flip flopping on issues from the Trump Campaign to the Trump Presidency? (like who pays for the wall, NATO, China as a currency manipulator, healthcare will be better and cheaper, Muslim ban, prosecuting Hillary Clinton, Janet Yellin, etc) I sometime change my mind on large expenditures and sometimes it is not financially feasible , It would be hypocritical of me to have a problem with a change in plans.

3. The late night tweeting? I don't stay up late and I don't tweet. If you or Trump are into that - have at it.

4. The accusations of Trump Tower being wire tapped? The fat lady has not sung on this. My initial thoughts were he was misinformed by someone that works for him or we are being misinformed from someone that worked for Obamma (Rice).

5. The narcissism? That's your diagnosis, not sure you are qualified to make it...if you are, I suspect you might be your best client.

6. The bashing of Goldman Sachs and then hiring so many former GS execs to serve in the cabinet? It must not be as easy to find financially talented people as Trump thought it was and you think it is?

7. The outright lies that Trump tells, which his staff calls "alternative facts" and refuses to address in press briefings, and tells us that we can not take him literally? I have no confidence in the media today, if you do - have at it. I think the media got egg on their face trying to make Crooked Hillary president and they are upset about his ability to cut them out of the process


So, I get your partisanship, but could any of these issues actually change your mind about our current POTUS? I really doubt it. I felt Obamma was a POS and Crooked Hillary would be more Obamma...I was not going to waste my vote on a person that could not garner more than 1% of the nation's votes...so Trump is the best option we had. I am happy with his progress and disapointed with the anti Trump crap.





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[dillywho]

Excellent post! There is no use for me to answer those questions, when you have pretty much covered them with answers that I concur with.

The left still insists on attacking the person rather than the agenda or any policies. They still don't seem to understand that their party is circling the drain and they are simply paddling the boat to speed it up.

So true!

[MDLNB]

Fragile state? I sure don't feel like I'm in a fragile state, but thank you Doctor Freud for your dimestore analysis.

I want to give my most humble apology. I feel so worthless and uninformed because I've never started a business. Clearly you are a far superior person because you claim that you have. You got me. I've never been a CEO, but I can read and understand economic statistics. You know nothing about me, nor I about you.

Now let me state the truth. Your pathetic schoolyard bully criticisms and playground taunts of me have absolutely no impact. Is that really all you've got? :1rotfl: It simply demonstrates that you have no facts or rational argument to back up any of your opinions relative to the state of political partisanship in America today. Try some facts. Prove me wrong with data or reasoned opinions. Answer my questions about Trump, if you have the courage to be honest.

Better work on your reading comprehension, OR control your hysteria. You have mixed your reply to my comment with the content of someone else's comment. That must be embarrassing for you, considering all the effort you put into working up what you must think is a witty response.

And your saying: "Your pathetic schoolyard bully criticisms and playground taunts of me have absolutely no impact." simply proves the opposite.

Don't worry, I am sure that you are secure in your "safe room" so "bullying" shouldn't harm you there. :a20:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I think that it starts with the politicians at the top. Instead of simply agreeing that we have differences, politicians attach motives to the other side.

This has been going on for decades and the more it was done, the more the people actually believed what they were saying.

Paul Ryan made a wonderful speech after the police officers were gunned down in Dallas last year. This represents the way that we should be thinking of each other and our opposition.

Here's the speech.

“We are all stunned by the events last night in Dallas. We are all outraged. An attack on the people who protect us is an attack on all of us.
“Our hearts are with the Dallas Police Department. Our hearts are with the victims, and especially with their loved ones. They wear the badge too. I know that to be a cop's wife or a cop's husband is to prepare for the worst, but who could fathom such horror as this.
“There is no cause or context in which this violence—this kind of terror—is justified. None at all.
“There will be a temptation to let our anger harden our divisions. Let’s not let that happen. There’s going to be a temptation to let our anger send us further into our corners. Let’s not let that happen. That script is just easy to write—it’s too predictable. Let’s defy those predictions.
“A few perpetrators of evil do not represent us. They do not control us. The blame lies with the people who committed these vicious acts, and no one else. And as the president rightfully said, justice will be done.
“We also have to let the healing be done as well. This has been a long week for our country. It’s been a long month for America. We have seen terrible, terrible senseless things.
“Every member of this body—every Republican and every Democrat—wants to see less gun violence. Every member of this body wants a world in which people feel safe regardless of the color of their skin. And that’s not how people are feeling these days.
“Sometimes we disagree on how to get there. Sometimes we disagree passionately on how to get there. But in having this debate, let’s not lose sight of the values that unite us. Let’s not lose sight in our common humanity.
“The values that brought those protesters to the streets in Dallas, the values that brought those protesters to the streets in Washington last night—respect, decency, compassion, humanity. If we lose these fundamental things, what’s left?
“We need to take a moment here. For reflection, for thought, for prayer, for justice, for action. Right now, let’s let justice be done, and let’s also let some healing occur, too.”


I think that unfortunately most people running for office, don't believe that this kind of attitude will help the get elected and they may be right. When Bob Dole was running against Bill Clinton, he said, "He is not my enemy, he is my opponent." When John McCain ran against President Obama, he said, "We shouldn't be afraid if Obama wins. He's a good man."

Both of these people lost and most candidates who take this kind of attitude toward their opponents also lose.

The problem is that most of the politicians understand that this is just politics and they are friendly afterward. Look at the nice things that President Trump said about Hillary at his inauguration luncheon.

Most of the people actually believe that the opposition party are enemies of the country.

I don't have an answer as to how to stop it. I only fear that it is going to get worse.

[Cedwards38]

I think that it starts with the politicians at the top. Instead of simply agreeing that we have differences, politicians attach motives to the other side.

This has been going on for decades and the more it was done, the more the people actually believed what they were saying.

Paul Ryan made a wonderful speech after the police officers were gunned down in Dallas last year. This represents the way that we should be thinking of each other and our opposition.

Here's the speech.



I think that unfortunately most people running for office, don't believe that this kind of attitude will help the get elected and they may be right. When Bob Dole was running against Bill Clinton, he said, "He is not my enemy, he is my opponent." When John McCain ran against President Obama, he said, "We shouldn't be afraid if Obama wins. He's a good man."

Both of these people lost and most candidates who take this kind of attitude toward their opponents also lose.

The problem is that most of the politicians understand that this is just politics and they are friendly afterward. Look at the nice things that President Trump said about Hillary at his inauguration luncheon.

Most of the people actually believe that the opposition party are enemies of the country.

I don't have an answer as to how to stop it. I only fear that it is going to get worse.

Good post. Thank you. And I agree that partisanship is probably going to get even worse. I think term limits and laws to reduce the influx of so much money into the electoral process might help.

[Taltarzac725]

Probably depends on what happens with Donald John Trump over the next year or so. And if the politicians can start looking again at the US Constitution and the vision of some of them for this country. It was not for someone who thinks he is another King or has the makings of a King. How Donald Trump's Presidency Will Be Similar to the Tudor Reign of King Henry VIII (http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-henry-viii-inauguration-2017-ruling-modern-monarchy-544670)

[MDLNB]

Probably depends on what happens with Donald John Trump over the next year or so. And if the politicians can start looking again at the US Constitution and the vision of some of them for this country. It was not for someone who thinks he is another King or has the makings of a King. How Donald Trump's Presidency Will Be Similar to the Tudor Reign of King Henry VIII (http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-henry-viii-inauguration-2017-ruling-modern-monarchy-544670)

After Obama trampled on the Constitution for 8 years, the left is going to complain NOW? WOW!

[Rockyrd]

I think that it starts with the politicians at the top. Instead of simply agreeing that we have differences, politicians attach motives to the other side.

This has been going on for decades and the more it was done, the more the people actually believed what they were saying.

Paul Ryan made a wonderful speech after the police officers were gunned down in Dallas last year. This represents the way that we should be thinking of each other and our opposition.

Here's the speech.



I think that unfortunately most people running for office, don't believe that this kind of attitude will help the get elected and they may be right. When Bob Dole was running against Bill Clinton, he said, "He is not my enemy, he is my opponent." When John McCain ran against President Obama, he said, "We shouldn't be afraid if Obama wins. He's a good man."

Both of these people lost and most candidates who take this kind of attitude toward their opponents also lose.

The problem is that most of the politicians understand that this is just politics and they are friendly afterward. Look at the nice things that President Trump said about Hillary at his inauguration luncheon.

Most of the people actually believe that the opposition party are enemies of the country.

I don't have an answer as to how to stop it. I only fear that it is going to get worse.

We now live in an era where being mean spirited and lying is accepted and that is a prelude to disaster.

[Don Baldwin]

We now live in an era where being mean spirited and lying is accepted and that is a prelude to disaster.

We now live in an era where being mean spirited and lying is necessary and that is a prelude to disaster.

Fixed your typo...it's beyond acceptable...it's required. Because nobody wants to hear the truth...each group gets a different lie.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Good post. Thank you. And I agree that partisanship is probably going to get even worse. I think term limits and laws to reduce the influx of so much money into the electoral process might help.

I couldn't agree more. Right now members of congress are more interested in getting re-elected than doing their jobs. My solution is this.

One nine year term for senators. One six year term for representatives. Replace one third of each house every three years. That gives us a combination of experience and new blood. No person can serve more then one term as representative, one term as senator and two terms as president in their lifetime. Return us to a citizen government.

[Cedwards38]

I couldn't agree more. Right now members of congress are more interested in getting re-elected than doing their jobs. My solution is this.

One nine year term for senators. One six year term for representatives. Replace one third of each house every three years. That gives us a combination of experience and new blood. No person can serve more then one term as representative, one term as senator and two terms as president in their lifetime. Return us to a citizen government.

...and how about creating conditions where being in Congress requires hard work and dedication only to the welfare of the nation and not to one's self. For example:

(a) prohibit for life any former member of Congress from taking any employment in post Congressional service that requires lobbying Congress.

(b) prohibit any member of Congress, or any family member of a member of Congress, or any Congressional staffer from accepting any gift, money, meals, service, or travel, beyond a cup of coffee, while serving in office. Necessary travel expenses would be paid from Congressional office budgets.

(c) offer the same employment perks, such as health insurance, retirement pensions, and other allowances, for members of Congress as other career federal employees.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Two more things I was thinking about this morning with regards to the OP's question.

First of all, those on both sides like to point out the extremists on the opposite side and try to make the case that this is the norm for that side.

The democrats are all socialist and want to turn us into a totally socialist or, even worst, communist society. Are there some on that side that believe in this? Of course there are, but they are in the minority. The conservative news media and websites will always show these extremists and try to make the case that they are the base of the party.

The same thing for the other side when they claim that conservatives are all knuckle dragging racists who only want to see big business succeed and the average people be poor. There are probably a few on the extreme right that have this attitude, but it is in no way the middle ground of the republican party.

The other thing is that once an election has taken place, the losing side nitpicks all kinds of ridiculous things that have little or nothing to do with policies that will help us be a better country. Obama is a Muslim, Trump hasn't shown his tax returns. Really? Are these the issues that we should be trying to resolve?

A picture of President Obama bowing to a foreign leader and the fact that President Trump mistakenly said 7/11 when he meant 9/11.

These are absurd issues that can simple be explained by the fact that presidents are human beings and not perfect. Everyone mis-speaks and has mis-steps. People focus on those things simply to try to tear down the other side as opposed to working on real solutions to problems.

Until this kind of nonsense stops, we'll remain partisan and probably become even more partisan.

[ColdNoMore]

I couldn't agree more. Right now members of congress are more interested in getting re-elected than doing their jobs. My solution is this.

One nine year term for senators. One six year term for representatives. Replace one third of each house every three years. That gives us a combination of experience and new blood. No person can serve more then one term as representative, one term as senator and two terms as president in their lifetime. Return us to a citizen government.

Although I've posted my ideas (below) twice previously and months earlier, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt...that you aren't plagiarizing most of what I've proposed. ;)


It's time to actually do what the candidates should be doing, but aren't, and that is to propose specific ideas on solving our political problems.

Here, I'll start. :D

- I say that we should pay a salary that attracts bright people and competes with what they can make in private business. While some people may think that a base of $174,000 a year salary for Senators and Congressman is a fortune, the truth of the matter is that it’s actually very low compared to what even the average bright person can make in the private sector. When you add the additional cost of maintaining two residences (very few of their families follow them to DC), and even with their office allowances, it makes it so tough that Congressman and Senators have been sharing apartments for years. This is the primary reason that we see so many already wealthy candidates running for a nationally elected position. It's certainly NOT for the salary. So let’s make the pay $250,000 per year and with the term limit I suggest below, it will allow someone who might not otherwise think of serving...to do so.

- Another thing that needs to be laid to rest, is the false rumor spread about how Congress is guaranteed this salary for the rest of their lives ( for even one or two terms). This is totally false, but I won’t get into it in depth here. Suffice to say and to try and set the record straight, any retirement/pension they currently receive is similar to other Civil Service/FERS employees and is a function of the number of years (a % for each year) times the number of years of service.

- Regarding term limits, although that's a tough one, something definitely needs to be done. The shorter the term, the more they will be tempted to set something up quickly for themselves for when their term is through or begging for donations for their next election. The way it is now, a Congressman is voted in for only two years. If a person has decided that they want to be more than a one term Congressman, what do you think they’re doing the minute they get sworn in for their term? EXACTLY, they have to immediately start campaigning and looking for donations for their next term! No one with any common sense can fail to see that if a Congressman has another election in two years, they are not concentrating on doing their job and are much more concerned with trying to get more donations. And while Senators are elected for six years, they are almost in the exact same boat and have the exact same goals.

- Given the current situation, there is way too much potential for ingratiating themselves with big business/industries to either get donations or set themselves up for a much better paying job (with the company hiring, hoping that they will use their old DC congressional contacts in their favor) when they get out. Being a current professional politician has shown to have these exact problems. They seem to spend more time trying to get reelected or ingratiating themselves with businesses/industries… than taking care of business.

- So maybe make it a maximum of two consecutive 6 year terms for both Senators and Congressman, so they can concentrate on governing and then they don't have to spend their time campaigning to get reelected, or sucking up to businesses/industries for future employment.

- In other words, I believe lengthening/limiting the terms for Senators and Representatives to two 6 year term, will eliminate a lot of the problems we have now of politicians being in constant "campaign/job seeking mode."

- I also believe that campaign reform along the lines below, will greatly reduce the need for elected officials to "pay back" those who donated a lot of money for them to get elected. Because I don’t care what anyone says, if someone donates a lot of money to your campaign, anyone with a modicum of intelligence knows damned well that candidate will look favorably upon that donor.

Consequently, I suggest:

1. Eliminating all private/business/PAC campaign contributions, except $50 from individuals only.

2. Establish a new tax on businesses that is used for the 'election pot.' And yes, I can hear the screaming now but.....since these same businesses will no longer be able to contribute directly (or through lobbyists/PAC’s), they will probably find that they are actually spending less money.

3. Give each candidate a set amount of campaign money........ and they have to determine how they want to best spend it. If they want to blow it on a few expensive TV ads, so be it. I’m guessing though, they will choose to figure out more cost effective ways to reach out to the voters and let them get to know the candidate better.

4. Limit access of lobbyists to politicians. Much like agents are limited in their access to amateur athletes, the number of lobbyists running around the halls of Congress is not much different than an infestation of cockroaches.

5. Mandate a quarterly report that shows every single lobbyist/interest group/individual that has met with each politician....and any votes made by that politician that could even be obliquely construed as affecting them.

6. All elected officials, at the end of their term, cannot work as ANY type of lobbyist for 6 years. The only reason companies, like large defense contractors hire former legislators, is in the hope that they will still have personal contacts in DC...that will help influence legislation that helps their company/industry.


- It is my opinion that although some will cry about muzzling their 'freedom of speech' (by limiting campaign amounts), if we were to allow smart, dedicated regular citizens (who can't afford it now) be able to run for a public office, we will get back to what was envisioned by the FF’s…which is a 'citizen legislature.'

Instead of the current lifetime occupation of...... 'Politician'….soon followed by ‘Lobbyist.’


OK y’all, instead of the usual 2 or 3 sentence sound bites and personal attacks, quit being so lazy and let’s hear what you think will help solve our current problems.

:popcorn:

:wave:


CNM






The fact that NO ONE answered my two previous posts of this, makes it interesting...that you've finally chosen to pipe up.


Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Although I've posted my ideas (below) twice previously and months earlier, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt...that you aren't plagiarizing most of what I've proposed. ;)






The fact that NO ONE answered my two previous posts of this, makes it interesting...that you've finally chosen to pipe up.


Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

I've been proposing this solution for many years. In fact, I have to typed out as a word document and simply copy and paste it when I want to post it on a site.

I guess great minds think alike.

[Cedwards38]

Interesting article listing the top 10 reasons America is so partisan now:

The top 10 reasons American politics are so broken - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/01/07/the-top-10-reasons-american-politics-are-worse-than-ever/?utm_term=.db57680817e8)

[Taltarzac725]

Interesting article listing the top 10 reasons America is so partisan now:

The top 10 reasons American politics are so broken - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/01/07/the-top-10-reasons-american-politics-are-worse-than-ever/?utm_term=.db57680817e8)

I agree. Good linked article.

[Don Baldwin]

Interesting article listing the top 10 reasons America is so partisan now:

The top 10 reasons American politics are so broken - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/01/07/the-top-10-reasons-american-politics-are-worse-than-ever/?utm_term=.db57680817e8)

It's broken because it's corrupt and full of corrupt people.

[jebartle]

Because we have lost the ability to LISTEN. There is a reason we were
given two ears and only one mouth! We can meet in the middle if we give everyone the same respect that we expect ourselves.

[Don Baldwin]

Because we have lost the ability to LISTEN. There is a reason we were
given two ears and only one mouth! We can meet in the middle if we give everyone the same respect that we expect ourselves.

We've lost the ability to REASON.

There is NO "middle" when you're dealing with different species with different abilities. We keep lowering the standards...they keep failing to meet them.

If they beat "us" in anything, anywhere...I could see including them...but they're NOT. Blacks and Hispanics are ALWAYS at the bottom...so WHY would "we"...who are ALWAYS at the TOP...even consider giving them an equal say in things? They SHOULD shut up and let the white men run things. It's like giving mongoloids an equal say...they're idiots with nothing to add.

[Cedwards38]

When the American public becomes so fed up with the destructive partisanship that currently exists, will those in the political center ultimately form a third party to fight against the problem?

Despite the harsh rhetoric that we see from some posts on TOTV, there are lots of Republicans and Democrats that aren't that far apart on most issues, and are miles away from both extremes.

[Don Baldwin]

When the American public becomes so fed up with the destructive partisanship that currently exists, will those in the political center ultimately form a third party to fight against the problem?

Despite the harsh rhetoric that we see from some posts on TOTV, there are lots of Republicans and Democrats that aren't that far apart on most issues, and are miles away from both extremes.

You don't get it...it's designed so there can be only the two parties in power. The D and R candidates are automatic on the ballot...they just provide a name and they're on the ballot. EVERYONE else has to jump through a million hoops making it nearly impossible to even get on the ballot...let alone win.

American white men have been beaten into the ground...emasculated...feminized...they won't even put up a fuss as the country is destroyed by the liberals who invited in...and paid...our Hispanic invaders.

[Taltarzac725]

When the American public becomes so fed up with the destructive partisanship that currently exists, will those in the political center ultimately form a third party to fight against the problem?

Despite the harsh rhetoric that we see from some posts on TOTV, there are lots of Republicans and Democrats that aren't that far apart on most issues, and are miles away from both extremes.

The people on TOTV are no where near what most people I have talked to here in the Villages are like. And I have been here since July 2005 with a few trips to Palm Harbor, FL and the DC area.

[Cedwards38]

The people on TOTV are no where near what most people I have talked to here in the Villages are like. And I have been here since July 2005 with a few trips to Palm Harbor, FL and the DC area.

I think you are absolutely right. The ranting, racism, and raving that occurs on this website is not a reflection of this community as a whole, nor of America. I still wonder if a third party is one, if not "the," solution to partisanship.

[dillywho]

The people on TOTV are no where near what most people I have talked to here in the Villages are like. And I have been here since July 2005 with a few trips to Palm Harbor, FL and the DC area.

Please don't judge an entire forum by the idiotic rants of a few. There are already too many blanket judgments going around.

[Don Baldwin]

I think you are absolutely right. The ranting, racism, and raving that occurs on this website is not a reflection of this community as a whole, nor of America. I still wonder if a third party is one, if not "the," solution to partisanship.

We're being invaded...your country and culture are gone within 30 years...I show you the numbers...and you STILL deny it...call it ranting and raving...?

You're a foolish woman C.

Betcha didn't believe Ross Perot when he showed you his numbers about NAFTA...he was right too.

Please don't judge an entire forum by the idiotic rants of a few. There are already too many blanket judgments going around.

And I bet you've "blanket judged" me too...

Another who shouldn't be allowed a vote. Living in denial. Living in delusion.

When will you finally believe me? When you turn on the TV and MOST of the stations are in Spanish with English subtitles? The new newspaper/magazine you ordered default to the Spanish version and you have to call because you forgot? Spanish is the default at the supermarket with English in the small type? Your great-grandkids keep speaking Spanish to you? You don't know what anyone is saying as everyone defaults to Spanish?

WE probably won't see this...but your kids and their kids will. I give it 30 years...it's mathematics...it's inevitable.

[Cedwards38]

PARANOIA

Paranoia refers to the perception or suspicion that others have hostile or aggressive motives in interacting with them (for example, "they are out to get me"), when in fact there is no reason for these suspicions. People experiencing paranoia believe that others are persecuting them and have delusional ideas about themselves as central figures in scenarios that in reality have little relevance to them. They may mistrust others and remain often in a state of suspicion. Minor feelings of paranoia are common, but severe paranoia can cause significant fear and anxiety and can have a pronounced effect on social functioning. Feelings of paranoia can be observed with many psychological disorders, including schizophrenia, as well as with a number of medical diseases that can affect brain function, ranging from Alzheimer's disease to multiple sclerosis. Intoxication from alcohol or drug abuse may also lead to feelings of paranoia.

[Don Baldwin]

PARANOIA

Paranoia refers to the perception or suspicion that others have hostile or aggressive motives in interacting with them (for example, "they are out to get me"), when in fact there is no reason for these suspicions. People experiencing paranoia believe that others are persecuting them and have delusional ideas about themselves as central figures in scenarios that in reality have little relevance to them. They may mistrust others and remain often in a state of suspicion. Minor feelings of paranoia are common, but severe paranoia can cause significant fear and anxiety and can have a pronounced effect on social functioning. Feelings of paranoia can be observed with many psychological disorders, including schizophrenia, as well as with a number of medical diseases that can affect brain function, ranging from Alzheimer's disease to multiple sclerosis. Intoxication from alcohol or drug abuse may also lead to feelings of paranoia.

MORON

Someone who refuses to see the inevitable and is unwilling to TRY to stop it. Hispanics ARE taking over...their culture will grow stronger as ours weakens...until one day...we ARE Mexico II.

You're a foolish woman C...a VERY foolish woman. You're letting them take away your great grandchildren's future. You letting them take back America and turn it into Mexico II.

How can you deny it? Minorities are already half (50%) of the population. Hispanics are already the majority of babies born. Minorities are already the majority of kids below age 7. White are dying faster than they're being replaced. America's demographics are changing. Becoming a majority 3rd world. Most of the immigrants are from 3rd world black/brown places and not white european. We have 30 years before the math wins and Hispanics have gained the numbers to be a true 51% majority.

This is fact...not paranoia.

Look at how ALL American towns have changed, the cities, look at the violence, poverty...it keeps getting worse...BECAUSE their numbers keep rising.

It's not paranoia that causes the record numbers of shootings in Chicago...it's more and more poor black people. The same with East St Louis...Detroit...EVERYWHERE the minorities live is dirty and dangerous...disagree? PROVE IT.

You suffer from "Anti-paranoia"...you DON'T fear that which you should.

HAVE you visited MLK Blvd in a major city? Why not? Too dangerous for you? THAT IS our future as the minority population increases and the slums expand. We see the increased violence and thievery here now as the minority population increases the other slime moves in with them. There IS white slime, all whites aren't upstanding citizens but the ratio is MUCH better than with blacks where almost ALL of them have brushes with the law.