Michael Vick

[Laura]

After what I read in the paper today what Vic actually did to those poor dogs, I think he should still be in prison and not playing football. I originally though he just shot the ones that didn't perform, now I find out differently. So cruel. He should rot in hell for what he did.

[TallerTrees]

I think he deserves a 2nd chance. He did his time as prescribed by law.

[chelsea24]

Laura, I completely agree with you. He's a disgusting human being and people should boycott the Philadelphia Eagles for even hiring him! :rant-rave:
There's a team I'll never respect again.

What happened to our athletes being role models? He served time, but not nearly enough time and most of it in his mansion. But, I thoroughly believe there is a special place in Hell for that kind of person. :cus::yuck:

[Baltimore Guy]

Laura, I completely agree with you. He's a disgusting human being and people should boycott the Philadelphia Eagles for even hiring him! :rant-rave:
There's a team I'll never respect again.

What happened to our athletes being role models? He served time, but not nearly enough time and most of it in his mansion. But, I thoroughly believe there is a special place in Hell for that kind of person. :cus::yuck:
He's is no different than any other NFL player. Guy

[joannej]

Makes you wonder about Vic's childhood. Did he go around killing animals then? Was he raised by an abusive father? Some of those characteristics are common for sociopaths. Looks like football didn't help his aggressive tendencies. I heard the Eagles coach felt sorry for him because he believes in giving people a second chance. Apparently he followed Vic's case rather closely. The Eagles coach had 2 sons going to jail over drug charges at the same time Vic got himself into this mess. So the coach is sympathetic to Vic. I just think he will cause turmoil on the Eagles team and with the Eagle's fans, like Owens did. There's many people out there that will not be happy about this Eagles acquisition (especially the TV sponsors!). Just my opinion for what it's worth!!!

[MSNPA]

Even though I am from PA I never liked the Eagles; but now I despise them. Yes, Vic did his time, but what he did to those poor dogs is shameful. What makes it worse Vic was not a street thug; he was a professional and continued to be involved in dog fighting. He does not deserve a second chance and I think he is only appearing remorseful now since he thinks it will help him.

[Laura]

Baltimore Guy-I see your point - that he paid his debt. It is just another thing wrong with this society - it's OK to do what he did to those animals? The ONLY reason he is being considered for football again is M O N E Y.
Then why doesn't he play for FREE! And give all of his earnings to help stop dog fighting and other atrocities to animals. If he has truly repented, then lets see where his conscience takes him now.

[nONIE]

Taller Trees,

Unfortunately those poor animals did not get a 2nd chance!

Anyone who tortures animals deserves to be strung up and used as pittbull bait for their own dogs, there is an evil and cold heart within a person that could do this and I personally dont believe a 2nd chance will ever change what is inherent in a subhuman being like Vics!

[nkrifats]

There is no doubt what he did was wrong and awful cruel.
I agree with all of you on that point.
I also agree that the Eagles may have made a bad choice here.
Several ex NFL people have really put there selves on the line here with Michael and I do believe as with others that have been released from prison after serving the time. Time will tell if he has truly changed or not.

Just my thoughts

[Russ_Boston]

Yes - he is/was evil.
Yes - he deserved to do more time
Yes - he deserved to do harder time
Yes - he did the time in the place prescribed by law
Yes - The NFL should change it's by-laws to not allow felons to play the same as some other professions (Nursing, Doctors, civil service to name a few).

But Yes - he has the absolute right to pursue his profession according to the laws of the NFL and our country. But I don't have to like it or support it.

[retiredguy]

Wow, some of you folks are over the top judgmental. Vick deserves forgiveness and a 2nd chance. I think he has shown true remorse. He did put up $1M to help rescue dogs as well. He did not spend most of his prison time in his home. He lost that home and much of his other possessions to the repo man.

The problem with lots of these players who make it big is that they don't stop hanging around with their home boys who have not made anything of themselves. Vick should not have kept his feet in both 'worlds.'

This was his last chance wake up call. Congratulations to the Eagles for stepping up and giving him that chance.

[4 Siamese]

I totally agree with Nonie, I couldn't have said it better myself.

[graciegirl]

Michael Vick
Makes me sick
What kinda guy is that?
It wasn't for dough
and it wasn't for show
just some kinda perverted c--p.

He did his time,
Well ain't that fine
What kind of deal will he get?
Cause many can't see
How that cruelty
Won't make football fans upset.

If you'd visit in Hell
You'd see the NFL
Represented quite well I'd guess
They drug and they drink
And they all seem to think
We fans don't mind the big mess

But Vick went too far
Not just on the par
with rape and gambling and vice
He crossed the line
and just doing time
isn't going to make him all nice.

He used mans best friend
For his slimy own end
And he lost the respect of the masses
He can't win if he tries
All those dogs left to die
Folks won't soon forget his crassness.

[KathieI]

Anyone, Anyone, who purposely tortures a defenseless animal deserves to be strung up and tortured themselves. There are no second chances for a person that despicable and evil. I totally agree with Nonie and MSNPA and Laura. I don't like football anyway, and if I did, I wouldn't support that team at all. What's next??? OJ coming back to play football??????

[tghoul]

and told them I hoped his contract has a clause that states if he does not perform he should be beaten and given electric shocks. Of course, I have not received any comment back from the Eagles. Isn't cruelty to animals a sign of a serial killer in the making?
Mrs. tghoul

[GMONEY]

Vick did his time. It was a very bad thing he did. People do things but also deserve a second chance.
Heck you got a receiver, Dante Stallworth playing for the Browns. Hits a man while drunk, kills him and receives 30 days in jail for the DUI, house arrest. but you hear more about Vick and his dogs than you do this cat killing a Human Being and only getting 30 days in Jail. Vick go what 23 months..

[KathieI]

Vick did his time. It was a very bad thing he did. People do things but also deserve a second chance.
Heck you got a receiver, Dante Stallworth playing for the Browns. Hits a man while drunk, kills him and receives 30 days in jail for the DUI, house arrest. but you hear more about Vick and his dogs than you do this cat killing a Human Being and only getting 30 days in Jail. Vick go what 23 months..

G, that's my point. When does it stop. These guys are out of control and don't deserve to play their sport. None of it is right but its got to stop. Believe me, I'd forgive, but not reward his cruelty and abuse. I can't even imagine the pain and suffering those animals felt during his selfish abuse of them. I'd like to gouge out his eyes for what he did. Oops, am I being too harsh??

good!!!

[emilyjean]

Everyone does deserve a second chance, but this type of crime should not be rewarded with a second chance in Professional Sports, what message do you think this gives to the kids. Do I think Vic is sorry, no! Did you not watch the 60 minutes interview, check out the 60 minutes website and review the entire interview folks, his reponses were coached to him...listen to each interview trailer...if he was sorry for his actions, he would NOT need a team of lawyers and PR people to help address replies to the questions. To be sorry for one's actions, should come naturally people. Yes, he is sorry...sorry that he got caught, and trusted that he was SO big to the NFL would just turn their back if he got caught!!! He was a grown man people, don't tell me he did not understand how wrong and hateful this was, to say...this is how I grew up.....please....second change....yes....doing something else and proving to us that he deserves to be back in the NFL...shame of the NFL commisioner

[chelsea24]

Sorry, but I respectfully disagree with the "second chance" givers on this one. Yes, there are many times or reasons people do deserve a second chance, but the abuse of an innocent animal or child is not one of them. Many, many people look at their pets (including me) as their children. They are innocent and vulnerable and want nothing more than to please and give love.

My hubby is a retired Veterinarian and I've seen the abuse and stupidity some people can inflict on poor defenseless creatures. This was NOT tolerated in our clinic. If abuse was suspected, we treated it the same way suspected child abuse would be... we notified the authorities. And it was nowhere near the scale of the viciousness that Michael Vic demonstrated. An "I'm sorry" doesn't cut it on this one. Noooooooooo Way!!!

By signing him on, the Eagles have sent a message out that this is OK. That the pain of another living thing does not matter when it comes to money. They make me as sick as he does. :yuck:

We should all be working, boycotting, writing, etc. to get make sure our athletes remain the role models for our children, that they should be. Hey, they signed on for this... they get the big bucks... it's more than just playing the game! My heart broke when they caught Michael Phelps smoking a bong. OK, he's a kid. I get it. But, how stupid can he be! I thought of the many little boys and young men that could think "Oh, this is a Gold Medal winner, so this is all right then." NO!!!! It is not all right! None of it is all right! From the gambling, to the steroids, to the animal abuse... it must stop somewhere!

Boycott the teams, and most of all the TV sponsors that put up with this. Hit them in the pocketbooks from another direction. Where are all the "family value" people on this subject!

Michael Vic is not a man. Anyone that abuses animals is as low a form of life as child abusers in my book. NO! This is not OK! His "I'm sorry" just doesn't cut it. Like some have said, "I don't think he's sorry, I think he's sorry he got caught." There's a vast difference.

[schotzyb]

When teams sign players like Vick, it is for one reason and one reason only and that is MONEY!!!. If an orginization thinks an individual like Vick will help bring them a championship, then they feel it is worth the heat they will get from doing so. This in turn makes the whole Eagle orginization maybe not as bad as Vick but extremely close. As long as owners of these sport franchises continue to seek to "win at all costs" and the fans continue to pay the outrageous prices for the tickets to see them, it will continue. Instead of being rewarded with a $1.6 mil contract he should have received a job emptying Port o Johns at $10 a hour

[billethkid]

The NFL did not ban him from coming back at the time he was convicted, leaving the option to return open.
They know the public has a short memory, hence the calculated risk.
It may be another story if he does not perform.

What message do these types of actions and reward send to the upcoming youth?

btk

[jblum8156]

I watched Vic's 60-Minutes interview. I don't think he's remorseful. I think he's sorry only about one thing - that he got caught.

[katezbox]

btk

I agree with Russ that we may feel his debt will never be paid and I totally agree with you on the message it sends our children.

Much of the sports (and entertainment) world sends bad messages to our kids - not finishing school, special treatment in college, ridiculous salaries, steroids, drugs alcohol, getting off easy with crimes (Ray Lewis, Dante Stallworth, etc etc etc).

The only fix is for all of us to get so fed up that we don't buy tickets - but that doesn't seem to ever happen. So maybe we are sending a bad message as well....

[Taj44]

So you all think Michael Vic doesnt deserve a second chance even after he has paid his debt to society? Why not hang him? Or send him to the electric chair? What the he$$ do you want from him?

Pedophile priests, sexual offenders of all kinds, murderers, spousal killers and abusers get a chance to rebuild their lives (have you ever heard of parole, probation, counseling, house arrest?) but not for Vic because his crime involved dogs?

I'm a pet lover but let's face it -- a dog is not like us, a dog is not human, a dog is not a baby, a dog is just that ..a dog i.e. a pet. Love them and treat them well. But in the overall scheme of things, dogs are not on the same level of priorities as humans.

[rshoffer]

Wow... some are advocating that Vic be strung up and tortured. It wasn't that long ago there was a passionate thread in another forum about the use of torture (in that case as an interrogation technique against suspected terrorists who want to kill us).

Also, it's (sadly) very risky to consider professional athletes as role models--especially for our children.

[GMONEY]

So you all think Michael Vic doesnt deserve a second chance even after he has paid his debt to society? Why not hang him? Or send him to the electric chair? What the he$$ do you want from him?

Pedophile priests, sexual offenders of all kinds, murderers, spousal killers and abusers get a chance to rebuild their lives (have you ever heard of parole, probation, counseling, house arrest?) but not for Vic because his crime involved dogs?

I'm a pet lover but let's face it -- a dog is not like us, a dog is not human, a dog is not a baby, a dog is just that ..a dog i.e. a pet. Love them and treat them well. But in the overall scheme of things, dogs are not on the same level of priorities as humans.

I agree that he deserves a second chance, maybe not to the tune of 1.6 Mil. Maybe they should take some of his money and donate it to the place most of his dogs went to to help them out. What ever it might be, still deserves a chance. Not up to us to decide what kind of chance he will get. There are more important things than what kind of deal Vic gets. Like I said earlier in this thread, Got a guy that kills another Human Being and dont get this much attention. Talk about priorites wrong????

I have never undertood why they pay pro athelets so much money. But when you got people paying that much money to go watch a game and so on, you see why. I have only been to 2 baseball games and 2 football games in San Diego. That wasnt worth it.

That is why I love College action. Now there are real fans..

[golf2140]

Vick is just joining another looser, Mc Nabb. The Philly fans will have a ball when Vick fails on the field. Just watch the sports channels when it happens. He will hope that he gets traded.

[joannej]

If Vic thinks the fans can be bad, wait till the Phila. media goes on the attack! Talk about brutal; they can be merciless!

[iaudit]

I happen to think that people who bring their pets to town square at night, in the middle of the summer, have them lay on the concrete that has been absorbing the sun's heat all day, are committing animal abuse. Should they be banned from the Villages?

[Peggy D]

Vick is just joining another looser, Mc Nabb. The Philly fans will have a ball when Vick fails on the field. Just watch the sports channels when it happens. He will hope that he gets traded.

Couldn't have said it better. Philly fans are the toughest. You'll hear them
boo-ing all the way down here!


Can't miss the first day he takes the field in Philadelphia

[joannej]

Sorry, but I respectfully disagree with the "second chance" givers on this one. Yes, there are many times or reasons people do deserve a second chance, but the abuse of an innocent animal or child is not one of them. Many, many people look at their pets (including me) as their children. They are innocent and vulnerable and want nothing more than to please and give love.

My hubby is a retired Veterinarian and I've seen the abuse and stupidity some people can inflict on poor defenseless creatures. This was NOT tolerated in our clinic. If abuse was suspected, we treated it the same way suspected child abuse would be... we notified the authorities. And it was nowhere near the scale of the viciousness that Michael Vic demonstrated. An "I'm sorry" doesn't cut it on this one. Noooooooooo Way!!!

By signing him on, the Eagles have sent a message out that this is OK. That the pain of another living thing does not matter when it comes to money. They make me as sick as he does. :yuck:

We should all be working, boycotting, writing, etc. to get make sure our athletes remain the role models for our children, that they should be. Hey, they signed on for this... they get the big bucks... it's more than just playing the game! My heart broke when they caught Michael Phelps smoking a bong. OK, he's a kid. I get it. But, how stupid can he be! I thought of the many little boys and young men that could think "Oh, this is a Gold Medal winner, so this is all right then." NO!!!! It is not all right! None of it is all right! From the gambling, to the steroids, to the animal abuse... it must stop somewhere!

Boycott the teams, and most of all the TV sponsors that put up with this. Hit them in the pocketbooks from another direction. Where are all the "family value" people on this subject!

Michael Vic is not a man. Anyone that abuses animals is as low a form of life as child abusers in my book. NO! This is not OK! His "I'm sorry" just doesn't cut it. Like some have said, "I don't think he's sorry, I think he's sorry he got caught." There's a vast difference.
_______________________
Well said Chelsea. I agree with you 101%. If watching dogs suffer didn't affect Vic, than why are we lead to believe he's a changed man just because he did some Community Service work and jail time! There was a continuous stream of animals that went through this torture and abuse. If seeing this the first time didn't make Vic think "This is Wrong", then how can anyone say he's a changed inside? Only time will tell, and in my opinion, not enough time has passed. Why does he have to return to a sport where good players are practically worshipped as "Gods" and "Heroes"? Family values??? What are children to think nowadays? What a wrong message to send to send to everyone.

[alandc1937]

Don't be so critical until you learn to spell his name correctly.

[nONIE]

I just dont think that spelling his name correctly will make him a better person!

Its immaterial to the poor animals he tortured!

[chelsea24]

I just dont think that spelling his name correctly will make him a better person!

Its immaterial to the poor animals he tortured!

I agree with you 100% Nonie! In fact, I have another name for him, but I don't think they'd allow me to print it here! :swear:

[KathieI]

I just dont think that spelling his name correctly will make him a better person!

Its immaterial to the poor animals he tortured!

I agree with you 100% Nonie! In fact, I have another name for him, but I don't think they'd allow me to print it here! :swear:

Well, 2 posts since he/she joined yesterday, and as we say in this forum, alandc1937 is just an agitator, or troll as they say. Very insensitive and smart azz and I know the name for him, Chels, and maybe Tony will take care of him/her (although I doubt the latter). Have a nice day, alandc, your on ignore!!!

[Peggy D]

Way to go, Kathie!!!

Shame on that somebody for picking on our Chels.

[Muncle]

I love all this twaddle. Evidently people deserve a 2nd chance as long as the sin they committed is one I'm not that into. Had the guy robbed a bank or defrauded an insurance company or rich investors of a few million bucks, maybe if he'd killed a generic human victim, there would be a parade to celebrate his rehabilitation. But certain crimes are unforgivable. Certainly one who commits child abuse or certain hate crimes are absolute lost souls who obviously deserve life in a super-max, if not death. Now animal abuse has joined that pantheon of crimes.

So we can't fight gov't and the beast (no pun intended) serves not quite 2 years in a federal penitentiary. But we certainly don't want him to be a professional athlete where he would be a roll model for our kids --- I guess because we are hopeless as parents so we must rely the Ray Lewis's fresh from his murder trial and the various drug users to inspire our little tykes. I thank God for my youth when I had such paragons as a drunken Mickey Mantle to admire or a witty Whitey Ford telling this innocent 12 year old to "Go F**k Yourself!" to emulate. Some athletes are remarkable people who do good things for a lot of people, but they are just people. If your kid needs a male role model, make it their father or uncle, a teacher or preacher, or the small businessman in the neighborhood who fights to stay ahead. Look to Junior Achievement, not the NFL or NBA.

But, please, please, if you hate the guy, if you think him beyond redemption, if you think he should be castrated and cast into the depths of the Château d'If, get his friggin' name right. Vic owns Embers, a good restaurant in Leesburg. Vick is the VA Tech alum, former Atlanta QB, convicted and admitted animal torturer and killer.



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[Taj44]

I love all this twaddle. Evidently people deserve a 2nd chance as long as the sin they committed is one I'm not that into. Had the guy robbed a bank or defrauded an insurance company or rich investors of a few million bucks, maybe if he'd killed a generic human victim, there would be a parade to celebrate his rehabilitation. But certain crimes are unforgivable. Certainly one who commits child abuse or certain hate crimes are absolute lost souls who obviously deserve life in a super-max, if not death. Now animal abuse has joined that pantheon of crimes.

So we can't fight gov't and the beast (no pun intended) serves not quite 2 years in a federal penitentiary. But we certainly don't want him to be a professional athlete where he would be a roll model for our kids --- I guess because we are hopeless as parents so we must rely the Ray Lewis's fresh from his murder trial and the various drug users to inspire our little tykes. I thank God for my youth when I had such paragons as a drunken Mickey Mantle to admire or a witty Whitey Ford telling this innocent 12 year old to "Go F**k Yourself!" to emulate. Some athletes are remarkable people who do good things for a lot of people, but they are just people. If your kid needs a male role model, make it their father or uncle, a teacher or preacher, or the small businessman in the neighborhood who fights to stay ahead. Look to Junior Achievement, not the NFL or NBA.

But, please, please, if you hate the guy, if you think him beyond redemption, if you think he should be castrated and cast into the depths of the Château d'If, get his friggin' name right. Vic owns Embers, a good restaurant in Leesburg. Vick is the VA Tech alum, former Atlanta QB, convicted and admitted animal torturer and killer.



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That was pretty good, Munc.

[alandc1937]

I just dont think that spelling his name correctly will make him a better person!

Its immaterial to the poor animals he tortured!

Lighten up nONIE. We live in America. The man has been punished. He served his time in Jail. Time to get on to other stuff.

[graciegirl]

I love all this twaddle. Evidently people deserve a 2nd chance as long as the sin they committed is one I'm not that into. Had the guy robbed a bank or defrauded an insurance company or rich investors of a few million bucks, maybe if he'd killed a generic human victim, there would be a parade to celebrate his rehabilitation. But certain crimes are unforgivable. Certainly one who commits child abuse or certain hate crimes are absolute lost souls who obviously deserve life in a super-max, if not death. Now animal abuse has joined that pantheon of crimes.

So we can't fight gov't and the beast (no pun intended) serves not quite 2 years in a federal penitentiary. But we certainly don't want him to be a professional athlete where he would be a roll model for our kids --- I guess because we are hopeless as parents so we must rely the Ray Lewis's fresh from his murder trial and the various drug users to inspire our little tykes. I thank God for my youth when I had such paragons as a drunken Mickey Mantle to admire or a witty Whitey Ford telling this innocent 12 year old to "Go F**k Yourself!" to emulate. Some athletes are remarkable people who do good things for a lot of people, but they are just people. If your kid needs a male role model, make it their father or uncle, a teacher or preacher, or the small businessman in the neighborhood who fights to stay ahead. Look to Junior Achievement, not the NFL or NBA.

But, please, please, if you hate the guy, if you think him beyond redemption, if you think he should be castrated and cast into the depths of the Château d'If, get his friggin' name right. Vic owns Embers, a good restaurant in Leesburg. Vick is the VA Tech alum, former Atlanta QB, convicted and admitted animal torturer and killer.



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Whew Munc! I like you because you don't hold back, among other things. You sure can tell 'em. When I grow up, I am gonna talk just like that.:bowdown::pepper2:

[KathieI]

But, please, please, if you hate the guy, if you think him beyond redemption, if you think he should be castrated and cast into the depths of the Château d'If, get his friggin' name right. Vic owns Embers, a good restaurant in Leesburg. Vick is the VA Tech alum, former Atlanta QB, convicted and admitted animal torturer and killer. `

You got that right, Muncle.... We hate this friggin guy and never want to get him confused with anyone else..... His name is
MICHAEL VICK!!!!
And he should NEVER be applauded or looked up to for anything he may accomplish throwing a football!!

No, alandc1937, we WILL NOT lighten up and if you KNEW our lovely Nonie, you would NEVER talk to her like that again ..... fool!

[Halle]

:agree::agree::agree:

You got that right, Muncle.... We hate this friggin guy and never want to get him confused with anyone else..... His name is
MICHAEL VICK!!!!
And he should NEVER be applauded or looked up to for anything he may accomplish throwing a football!! :agree:

No, alandc1937, we WILL NOT lighten up and if you KNEW our lovely Nonie, you would NEVER talk to her like that again ..... fool!



Thanks Kathie!

[chelsea24]

But, please, please, if you hate the guy, if you think him beyond redemption, if you think he should be castrated and cast into the depths of the Château d'If



Wow you're so perceptive! This is EXACTLY what I'd like to happen to Michael Vick!

Yes! Michael Vick!

Did I get the name right Alandc1937??? I would hate to misspell the name of a convicted animal abuser, torturer and killer! But, ya know what they say "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet..." Well, the same goes for a first class piece of sh%$! like Michael Vick! By any other name or spelling... he would still stink!

I'm with Kathie! Bit of advice Alandc1937... don't pick on Nonie. She's about as pure of heart a person as you'll ever meet and a very dear friend to most all of us.

[beady]

I am jumping in on this discussion to simply say.......Michael Vick is a despicable human being who treated animals with extreme cruelty.....and yes he served his time....but being back in the limelight as a sports figure is also despicable....think of the many children who will look up to this man....what an example.....it makes me very angry at the NFL...proves money is the bottom line for them.
:swear::swear::swear:

[Campbell soup]

Well, I am so against him playing anymore ball. He has to live with his cruelty and the shame. I don’t understand how anyone could do such a thing. I for one…will not watch him play no matter what. I am sure there are many other people thinking the same way I do. :cus:

[nONIE]

Unfortunately, Im afraid demented creeps like Vick have no guilt or shame. I really dont believe they have a concience, so living with themselves is not a problem.

Does anyone really think that doing his time has changed his way of thinking?

[deejohn1]

title says it all
shame on all of you who has not made any mistakes in your lives I THOUGHT GOD ASKS US TO FORGIVE THOSE WHO ERR.

HOW MANY OF YOU GO TO CHURCH ?


PLEASE SAY A PRAYER FOR YOURSELVES

[Doodlegirl]

Michael Vick didn't learn that until a long time after the issues began. God
has nothing to do with this. We are talking about someone who went on and on and on with lots of people helping him. My God goes to a different church apparently, and bringing the bible into the dog fighting ring doesn't resolve
how people feel about what occured. I am glad you feel church is the answer, lets get all the dogs to church next Sunday.

[The Villager II]

After what I read in the paper today what Vic actually did to those poor dogs, I think he should still be in prison and not playing football. I originally though he just shot the ones that didn't perform, now I find out differently. So cruel. He should rot in hell for what he did.

Bingo: Just shows what greed will do.

[deejohn1]

your god goes to every church & god does forgive which is better than most of us I also hate dog abusers but the man did his time & he is doing good things now to repent . if you weren't so narrow minded you might go to www.philadelphiaeagles.com & do your research before you cast stones atanyone . everyone is entitled to their opinion.
BUT GOD IS LISTENING TO ALL OF YOU WHO CAST THEIR STONES AT THEIR BROTHERS.
I STILL SAY SHAME ON ALL OF YOU WHO DO THIS
& TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION yES i AM A PHILADELPHIA EAGLES FAN
& VERY PROUD TO BE ONE

[Tom Hannon]

your god goes to every church & god does forgive which is better than most of us I also hate dog abusers but the man did his time & he is doing good things now to repent .

I suppose if it were of of your own kids he smashed against the wall and tortured, , you'd forgive him for serving his time. He cannot be forgiven. And football has a black eye for giving this guy a second chance. Shame on those who think differently. Vick is not a nice man.

[LivingLarge]

I suppose if it were of of your own kids he smashed against the wall and tortured, , you'd forgive him for serving his time. He cannot be forgiven. And football has a black eye for giving this guy a second chance. Shame on those who think differently. Vick is not a nice man.

Have to disagree with you Tom. The law, rightfully or wrongly, does separate actions against animals from actions against humans. He was given a fair sentence (in fact it may have been slightly heavy when compared to normal sentencing guidelines). He has the right to earn a living and the NFL would be wrong from excluding him from that opportunity.

You or I don't have to forgive or forget if that is what we choose. But I would never say "shame on those who think differently".

[duffysmom]

your god goes to every church & god does forgive which is better than most of us I also hate dog abusers but the man did his time & he is doing good things now to repent . if you weren't so narrow minded you might go to www.philadelphiaeagles.com & do your research before you cast stones atanyone . everyone is entitled to their opinion.
BUT GOD IS LISTENING TO ALL OF YOU WHO CAST THEIR STONES AT THEIR BROTHERS.
I STILL SAY SHAME ON ALL OF YOU WHO DO THIS
& TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION yES i AM A PHILADELPHIA EAGLES FAN
& VERY PROUD TO BE ONE

I just cast a very big stone Vics way and my prayer is that the Eagles
crash and burn and pay the price for rewarding a serial torturer and killer.
Amen:pray:

[villagegolfer]

Have to disagree with you Tom. The law, rightfully or wrongly, does separate actions against animals from actions against humans. He was given a fair sentence (in fact it may have been slightly heavy when compared to normal sentencing guidelines). He has the right to earn a living and the NFL would be wrong from excluding him from that opportunity.

You or I don't have to forgive or forget if that is what we choose. But I would never say "shame on those who think differently".

:agree::agree::agree::beer3:

[angiefox10]

As I've learned that many people don't like links... I'm posting an article in it's entirety.

Here is the link as well:

http://www.pet-abuse.com/pages/abuse_connection.php


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[Shimpy]

He gives me reason to route against the Eagles, unless they are playing the Jets. He can talk in public all he wants about how rehabilitated he is but you know he could care less about the dogs he tortured. NFL should haved banned him.

[LivingLarge]

He gives me reason to route against the Eagles, unless they are playing the Jets. He can talk in public all he wants about how rehabilitated he is but you know he could care less about the dogs he tortured. NFL should haved banned him.

So all people who commit crimes against animals (or humans) should never have a job? There is no such thing as being remorseful?

Thanks but I don't want to live in your world.

[angiefox10]

So all people who commit crimes against animals (or humans) should never have a job? There is no such thing as being remorseful?

Thanks but I don't want to live in your world.

Of course he can have a job. I don't think anyone said that he shouldn't be able to work. But to go back to the high profile job that he has with children looking on making the kind of money that he makes??? Nope! He doesn't have the right to that job!

Yes he can "rebuild" his life. But to go back to the old life? The one that afforded him the money and lifestyle to do what he did??? Nope! He doesn't have that right.

But you know what??? His fans say he does so I stand corrected. Greed is a wonderful thing!

You want to live in a world where people are rewarded with their old life after doing something has heinous as Michael Vick did? Well, you do!

I think it must be a full moon....

[Mikeod]

Of course he can have a job. I don't think anyone said that he shouldn't be able to work. But to go back to the high profile job that he has with children looking on making the kind of money that he makes??? Nope! He doesn't have the right to that job!

Yes he can "rebuild" his life. But to go back to the old life? The one that afforded him the money and lifestyle to do what he did??? Nope! He doesn't have that right.

But you know what??? His fans say he does so I stand corrected. Greed is a wonderful thing!

You want to live in a world where people are rewarded with their old life after doing something has heinous as Michael Vick did? Well, you do!

I think it must be a full moon....

Nope, not a full moon, just the way society works. People who are convicted of crimes and serve their sentences should be free to pursue their lives. They have paid the price for their actions. To limit their employment opportunities is adding an additional punishment beyond what is proscribed by our laws. That's not the way the system works.

Do I abhor what he did? Absolutely. But he paid the price both through the courts and from his employer and the NFL. By all accounts he has turned his life around. His new contract and position as starter reflect the progress he has made.

And no, I'm not an Eagles fan.

[angiefox10]

Nope, not a full moon, just the way society works. People who are convicted of crimes and serve their sentences should be free to pursue their lives. They have paid the price for their actions. To limit their employment opportunities is adding an additional punishment beyond what is proscribed by our laws. That's not the way the system works.

Do I abhor what he did? Absolutely. But he paid the price both through the courts and from his employer and the NFL. By all accounts he has turned his life around. His new contract and position as starter reflect the progress he has made.

And no, I'm not an Eagles fan.


Sorry.. .When I referred to a full moon..... I was referring to myself in even being in this conversation. I realize that no one will change anyone's opinion on this issue. That certainly wasn't a reflection on anyone else. I'm sorry it was misunderstood.

[LivingLarge]

But to go back to the high profile job that he has with children looking on making the kind of money that he makes??? Nope! He doesn't have the right to that job!



You mean the RIGHT by you. He has the absolute RIGHT to do that job and many more. The amount the job pays is not part of the equation.

[villagegolfer]

You mean the RIGHT by you. He has the absolute RIGHT to do that job and many more. The amount the job pays is not part of the equation.
Wow, I can just imagine the hysteria of the Salem Witch Trials by reading this thread. I think it ridiculous the way people are crucifying this man.:ohdear:

It almost seems like a contest to see who is the most self righteous.

[angiefox10]

You mean the RIGHT by you. He has the absolute RIGHT to do that job and many more. The amount the job pays is not part of the equation.

Yes you are correct... I mean RIGHT by me. Not by others. I don't believe he should be able to go back to the job he did. But I am wrong and I do believe I said that. He CAN do that job an many more. It's the world we live in today... People get to keep their jobs after doing horrible things. *shrug* I think he should "rebuild" his life, from the bottom up! But... That's just me.

[angiefox10]

There seems to be somewhat of a paradigm here that Mr. Vic (No I don't feel he has the right to have is name spelled right either) has the right to work anywhere he wishes. NO! He does not! While he does get to make millions at his old job some employers do have standards and there are places that he by law can not work! Every year I have to sign a "Code of Conduct" form that I will not do anything to embarrass my company. If I do I will be fired. My company has standards.

I'm not impressed that he threw money at the HSUS who BTW less the 1% of their money goes to actual shelters! He would do anything to get his old job and money back. No surprise there! It's still blood money!

Do I judge him? You bet I do!!! He pulled the teeth out of the dogs that wouldn't fight! He thew them up against walls and dropped them from rafters to see them suffer! He slowly electrocuted them to listen to their screams and drowned them! He buried them alive!

Michael Vick didn't make a mistake. He didn't "make a bad choice." Over a period of five years he forced dogs into deadly fights, and he personally killed, or conspired to kill, thirteen dogs. He didn't pick a quick, painless method of killing, but instead chose a variety of means that qualify as torture. Pit Bulls are powerful dogs. Imagine how hard you would have to work to kill a Pit Bull by forcibly drowning him.

Someone on this thread in defense of Vic said something about not wanting to live in "their" world.... The world of the person they felt was judging him. Well... You don't have to worry about that... It seems that you don't! What kind of a world is this that dogs can be tortured, ex wives and children killed and people who do these acts, go back to their "normal" lives?

Don't tell me you "love" animals and defend his actions! I don't believe you!

He has no RIGHT to his old life back..... Well he get it back... yes! Will the law allow it. Yes! Is it right NO!

Animal abuse should NEVER be tolerated! But it is.... over and over and over again. As long as people can do it and get by with a slap on the hand this will continue.

As to my background, I rescue dogs. If you want to give me your e-mail addresses I will send you some of the pictures of the animals and cruelty that I see every day!

Look into the lives of the people who try to protect them and save them. Look into the eyes of the dogs that have been tortured. LOOK!!!! Look hard, and then.... go look in the mirror and look at yourself. Vic is a despicable man! YES I judge him!!!! He should get the same chance as the dogs got!

[billethkid]

I believe the term of "getting his old job back" is incorrect. Just re-visit the decisions the NFL made of his situation at the time of his conviction. It was ordained then that Vic was too valuable an asset to not have come back. It was one step short of a leave of absence.

If the system was truly meant to punish the guilty he would have been banned for at least 5 years after official release.

Money and fame puts one in a category of special handling and exceptions to the rules.

btk

[Tom Hannon]

I am behind you 100% Angie.

[Doodlegirl]

Perhaps rescue of dogs is in our blood and sinew. Sportsman like conduct
from a 'changed' Michael Vick...NO, his press people have changed, that's all.
His four legged victims are all over the Country now, in homes where people must work hard for no money whatsoever to make right and whole some of
the surviving dogs. Makes me feel sick.

[GeorgeT]

Wow, I can just imagine the hysteria of the Salem Witch Trials by reading this thread. I think it ridiculous the way people are crucifying this man.:ohdear:

It almost seems like a contest to see who is the most self righteous.

I totally agree.

"Let he who has no sins cast the first stone"

I know this place must be Heaven because we sure have a lot of saints in TV.

[jojoin]

I totally agree.

"Let he who has no sins cast the first stone"

I know this place must be Heaven because we sure have a lot of saints in TV.

barf to your sarcasm. If you read the indictment/plea agreement and what vick admitted to, it is truly disgusting. No one here claims to be a saint, and you don't have to be sin free to abhor such violent behavior.

[Barefoot]

This the the first time I've even clicked on this thread. Anyone who preys on the vulnerable, be they animals, or the elderly, or children, is a poor excuse for a human being.

[villagegolfer]

barf to your sarcasm. If you read the indictment/plea agreement and what vick admitted to, it is truly disgusting. No one here claims to be a saint, and you don't have to be sin free to abhor such violent behavior.

I was once a soldier who witnessed atrocities you cannot imagine. I pray that it was just a period in their (mine) life and that when they came home they could resume a normal life. Most of them did and they are outstanding citizens. When we are young and in certain situations we are expected to act a certain way and we are too young to know better. Time and maturity changes people and they can see things from a different perspective. People should have compassion for other people.

[GeorgeT]

Let's switch gears.

Kelsea Morse, 27, appeared in Yellowstone County Justice Court and pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor charges. Judge Pedro Hernandez imposed six-month deferred jail sentences on both charges and ordered Morse to pay $2,095 in fines, court costs and restitution. Hernandez rejected a request from prosecutors to suspend the woman’s Montana hunting privileges for two years after Morse’s defense attorney argued that the license violations did not require the loss of her hunting privileges.

Question.....Is the Morse family as bad as Vick?

[LivingLarge]

Question.....Is the Morse family as bad as Vick?

My neighbor warned me: "Don't get on that TOTV. Lots of weirdos".. Should have listened.

[GeorgeT]

Now it's +1.

[LivingLarge]

Now it's +1.

If you mean I'm not in your camp I'll take it.

[villagegolfer]

My neighbor warned me: "Don't get on that TOTV. Lots of weirdos".. Should have listened.

That was not very nice.

[LivingLarge]

That was not very nice.

Didn't intend it to be. I mean that just wrong to compare the Morse family (yes, I know about the hunting issues) to what Vick did. He just wants to stir it up. If you don't like the weirdo comment then use what you want.

[villagegolfer]

Didn't intend it to be. I mean that just wrong to compare the Morse family (yes, I know about the hunting issues) to what Vick did. He just wants to stir it up. If you don't like the weirdo comment then use what you want.

Well, in political we were brought to the wood shed for getting disrespectful to fellow posters. We were told to stay on topic. Just saying, nothing personal. :0000000000luvmyhors

[redwitch]

Good grief! I hate, loathe, despise what Rainey is accused of doing. Morse and family more than likely broke some laws (not as severe as Rainey's from what I can tell). What Rainey and Morse, et al. did pales in comparison to what Michael Vick did. His actions were despicable.

Now I'm going to get a few (??) people upset. Vick did his time. From the sound of what has been said about him by those who are in the best position to know (animal right advocates and associations), he has truly repented. As a matter of fact, the SPCA has said that the best advocates against animal abuse are those who had previously abused and seen the light so to speak. The SPCA feels Vick is a prime example of a former abuser turning himself around. They feel Vick would never again deliberately abuse an animal. Vick has given large sums of money to various animal shelters and the SPCA. He has spoken almost weekly at schools denouncing dog fighting and animal abuse.

So, add to his willingness to admit his previous behavior was wrong; his continued speaking to kids about how wrong his actions were (not that easy to do -- try it one day); his giving very large sums to animal protection; and his truly God-given talent, I say he has every right to continue his career and be the outstanding quarterback he is.

Do I agree that he deserves the sum of money he is getting? No, but, then I can't think of a single big-name athlete or actor or other public figure who deserves the obscene amount of money he/she/they make.

[villagegolfer]

Good grief! I hate, loathe, despise what Rainey is accused of doing. Morse and family more than likely broke some laws (not as severe as Rainey's from what I can tell). What Rainey and Morse, et al. did pales in comparison to what Michael Vick did. His actions were despicable.

Now I'm going to get a few (??) people upset. Vick did his time. From the sound of what has been said about him by those who are in the best position to know (animal right advocates and associations), he has truly repented. As a matter of fact, the SPCA has said that the best advocates against animal abuse are those who had previously abused and seen the light so to speak. The SPCA feels Vick is a prime example of a former abuser turning himself around. They feel Vick would never again deliberately abuse an animal. Vick has given large sums of money to various animal shelters and the SPCA. He has spoken almost weekly at schools denouncing dog fighting and animal abuse.

So, add to his willingness to admit his previous behavior was wrong; his continued speaking to kids about how wrong his actions were (not that easy to do -- try it one day); his giving very large sums to animal protection; and his truly God-given talent, I say he has every right to continue his career and be the outstanding quarterback he is.

Do I agree that he deserves the sum of money he is getting? No, but, then I can't think of a single big-name athlete or actor or other public figure who deserves the obscene amount of money he/she/they make.
I think this is the first time I have agreed with you.;) Except I think Tom Brady earns every cent he makes.:crap2:

[deejohn1]

finally
someone who actually took the time to see what michael vick has done in the last 2 yrs with his life instead of just running off at the mouth

but like someone said. this is just like a salem witch hunt . weather you agree with the law or not . it is the law & neither you nor i have the right to tell anyone they can or cannot have a job just because you don't like him is very small of you. each of us must grow up in our own way

[GeorgeT]

If you mean I'm not in your camp I'll take it.

I don't know you and you don't know me and I'm glad that you're not in my camp. Hell, I don't even have a camp unless you call freedom of speech a camp.
The Morse family members that committed the crime are no better or worse than Vick. They are accused of chopping off the heads of wild animals for a trophy to hang on display somewhere. How do we even know if the animals were alive while their heads were being severed. Does it make it OK or less disgusting because they are/were wild animals instead of cute pit bulls? Maybe I am trying to stir things up as you stated in one of your posts, so what? It may get warm blood flowing in some of the posters making cold blooded remarks. It got your blood flowing, didn't it?

BTW, if it was the other way around and I called you a "weirdo" I would have been hung out on the line to dry by the TOTV flash mob. But like I said, I don't know you so your name calling doesn't hurt me in the least.
Sticks and stones will hurt my bones but names will never hurt me. So there!