Speed Trap Locations-- They give tickets!

[Indy-Guy]

If you speed in Sumter County, Lady Lake, Fruitland Park, or Marion County you will pay. I have been told the fines are around $200.00. I don't know anyone who has gotten a warning ticket or a verbal warning. So when you see someone stopped bingo $200.00. I warn all of our guests before they come here not to speed.

Below are the places that I have seen them stopping people. I am sure that there are many more places so let us know where you have seen them on a regular basis.

1. Newest one is the bridge on Morse Blvd just South of 466. This speed limit has been reduced to 25 mph. I have seen a motorcycle cop parked on the island where the plants are just off the South end of the bridge. He isn't there long he spends more time doing tickets. Don't ask me why they reduced the speed there to 25 mph wait and ask the officer when you are signing the ticket and let us know. So you birds beware of this change when you return.

2. South bound traffic just past Arnold Palmer's on Buena Vista. They stand in the left turn lane at the entrance to The Village of Bridgeport at Lake Sumter. When they are there they have 3 to 4 cars pulled over.

3. South bound traffic on Buena Vista they stand in the entrance to Lake Miona Regional Recration Center. It has been a while since I have seen them there.

4. East & West bound traffic on 466A just East of Buena Vista in the vacant area on the North side of 466A just East of Turtle Mound Golf Course.

5. Fruitland Park Police have been stopping people on the stretch of 466A just East of where the 4 lanes become 2. That is the start of Fruitland Park city limits.

6. North bound Buena Vista just North of the Polo Field.

7. Lady Lake has just installed lights over the stop lights at many cross streets. They are blue and the officer dosen't have to be in view of the stop light to see if you run the light. These lights are blue take a look at them and you will see how they work. They are paying for them as you are reading this.

I am sure that there are more than this but these are the ones that I see often. I also see them more in the AM than the PM. If it is raining they aren't there they are at Dunkin Donuts.

Remember I don't know of anyone who has gotten a warning ticket or that has just gotten a verbal warning. They will write you a ticket. Bingo $200.00

Let us know where you see them.

[Talk Host]

Are they speed "TRAPS" or are people actually speeding in those enforcement locations. It has been my observation that tickets need to be handed out.

[Ooper]

They also like to hide in the clump of trees at the north east corner of the entrance to the Villages Woodshop and Harvest Gardens on Rolling Acres Road.

[MelZ]

I have seen The Fruitland Park PD giving tickets on 466a between 27/441 and Mcdonalds. Speed drops from 45 to 35 as you get closer to 27/441.

My sister in law got a 60/45 ticket in a rental car on 466a (I warned her but.........)and a ticket for a uninsured vehicle when all she could produce was the rental contract. Speeder was $270, unisured Vehicle was $150 (which the court dismissed after she got documentation from Alamo).

[Indy-Guy]

Are they speed "TRAPS" or are people actually speeding in those enforcement locations. It has been my observation that tickets need to be handed out.

Please define a speed trap for us. Or at least what you think one is. If I remember correctly you have stated in the past that you have been a police officer correct me if I am wrong. If I am correct then that would be what most police officers would state as long as they are not getting the ticket. I think the average person would think when they see many tickets being written in the same place that they would call it a trap. I do agree if you are speeding and you get a ticket it is your fault.

To many of us who have never written a ticket we perhaps would call them a trap. I would think that if they are in the same spot frequently then that is a trap.

If I were a trapper I would put my traps where I would think the animals would frequent. To me they are going to a good traping area or they wouldn't frequent that area. I know that these places are not the only places people speed.

My reason for letting people know is to let them know that if they speed that there is a good chance that they will get caught. Not that the police are wrong to give tickets. That is why I try to drive the speed limit. I assure you that more people pass me that I pass.

[DDoug]

They just want some of that disposable income that us rich villagers are suppose to have.

[DDoug]

One other thing with all the cops it just isnt safe around here anymore

[Becky]

I remember hearing last year, that there is a tricky difference in the school zone speed limits somewhere around the charter school. I haven't been that way since school started. Anyone enlighten me on this before I start out that way?

Becky

[MelZ]

Are they speed "TRAPS" or are people actually speeding in those enforcement locations. It has been my observation that tickets need to be handed out.

If the objective is to reduce people speeding why not just have the cruiser visible. Seeing a cruiser always causes people to slow down.

If the objective is to generate revenue, then hide for the sole purpose of issuing tickets. A TRAP is a revenue generation devise. As are Redlight Cameras which purpose is to generate revenue.

[NJblue]

My observation is that the speed limits are ridiculously low given the roadways. For example, Buena Vista, a 4-lane divided highway with a speed limit of 35 is way too low. It could be at least 45 without being unsafe. Of course, the limits around the circles should be much lower. Same thing with 25 MPH on Morse on the bridge.

These unusually low speed limits given the nature of the roadways constitute a speed trap by my definition.

[Talk Host]

To my way of thinking, a speed trap is, in fact, an ongoing, revenue producing, assembly line of handing out tickets to anybody for anything.

However, when chronic speeding is out of control and officers work a specific area, the intent is to save lives. Drivers have criticized speed limits since the beginning of driving. I have never heard of a police officer giving a ticket to somebody who is within the limit. President Ulysses S. Grant was stopped for driving his horse team too fast in Washington. When the cop saw who it was, he said, "I'm sorry Mr. President." Grant said to the officer, "Do your duty man."

In so far as revenue generation goes, traffic citation income is actually a line item in post municipal budgets. The amount is based on an average of revenue from years past. In all the years I have been around police, government, and media, I have never once heard an official say, "get out there and hand out tickets to generate revenue."

What are quotas? Each officer is expected to preform as least as others on the department. Like any business. In manufacturing, if most workers produce 60 widgets a day, but two guys only produce 45, they are goofing off, or incompetent. If 55 sheriff's deputies each hand out an average of 60 tickets a month, but two only hand out 40, they are goofing off or incompetent.

[rshoffer]

Ya'll are retired.... what's your hurry?

I'm not... but I'm cheaper then Jack Benny and a 200 dollar ticket would really PMO!

Therefore, I check the speed limit, hit the cruise control, crank up 640 am and get there when I do....

the Lake Sumter bridge is tricky... when you go 25 mph into LSL from 466 the golf carts in the cart lane are keeping up with you and the people behind you are typically having a fit.

This must be generating a bunch of revenue... I wonder if they have quotas.... or even contests.... who collected the most speeding fines this week?

[PJOHNS2654]

Fruitland Park has had a reputation for many years regarding writing citations for speed. I would be willing to bet that Fruitland Park has one of the lowest injury accident rates per capita in the State. We are retired what is the need to speed?

[SNOK]

We are retired what is the need to speed?
One of the unfortunate truths about retired people is that they are closer to the end of their life than those too young to retire. Perhaps we retired folks are trying to fit more into our remaining time, therefore, getting somewhere a litte quicker means we can do more of whatever it is we are going there to do - assuming, of course, that we get there at all and don't crash because we are going too fast.

[Prizmz]

Do remember the cost of the summons is merely the ante...first question for policy renewal -- "Have you received a ticket in the last...?"

[NJblue]

Do remember the cost of the summons is merely the ante...first question for policy renewal -- "Have you received a ticket in the last...?"

Which is why I really don't like the unrealistically low speed limits and the strict enforcement of them. It stacks the deck against people around here in terms of the potential for increased insurance costs. After over 40 years of driving, one gets to intuitively know what the speed limit of a road should be by its layout. When the limit is artificially reduced it makes it very difficult to drive within the law.

Besides, slower is not necessarily safer. When a speed limit is much lower than the conditions would normally call for, it creates a situation where you have two different types of drivers - those who go the speed limit and those who drive based on the condition of the road. It is the resulting inequity in speed that produces an unsafe condition.

However, if safety were the real issue, the cops would be far better off camping themselves at a traffic circle and ticketing those who insist on using the outside lanes no matter where they want to end up. These are the people who are the cause for most of the close calls that I have had while being here. I have never seen a near accident caused by someone going 45 on Buena Vista.

[r_foye]

As a retired police officer I can tell you by law and definition "speed traps" are illegal. What you really should be saying is that the local police officers are taking up positions along roadways where people are known to speed. I personally see nothing wrong with ticketing people who speed, never in my career did I give a tciket that wasn't deserved. I also love this other load of crap that police officers are out there writing tickets for revenue generation. Not once in my entire career did anyone from the city or police administration tell us to go write tickets so we could generate more revenue. Perhaps if you just slowed down you wouldn't have to worry about the "speed traps."

[Halle]

:agree:



Perhaps if you just slowed down you wouldn't have to worry about the "speed traps."

:agree:

[downeaster]

As a retired police officer I can tell you by law and definition "speed traps" are illegal. What you really should be saying is that the local police officers are taking up positions along roadways where people are known to speed. I personally see nothing wrong with ticketing people who speed, never in my career did I give a tciket that wasn't deserved. I also love this other load of crap that police officers are out there writing tickets for revenue generation. Not once in my entire career did anyone from the city or police administration tell us to go write tickets so we could generate more revenue. Perhaps if you just slowed down you wouldn't have to worry about the "speed traps."\\

Well said!

There are no "speed traps" in The Villages. Speed limits are are clearly posted. They are there for a purpose. Exceed them and pay the price. If I see you getting a ticket I will applaud the officer for doing his/her duty.

Having said that, I don't see a lot of speeding by automobiles. I do see a lot of speeding by golf carts. I think they are more of a danger to themselves than to others. A lot of their accidents seem to be single vehicle.

[billethkid]

if only they would keep it up day after day. Maybe, MAYBE then those who are in such a hurry to go no place and do nothing will eventually get the message.

I just wish citizen's arrest was legal in FL.

btk

[elevatorman]

Before we moved here from MD we had to pass through 3 speed cameras going to work and 3 coming home. They were revenue machines. One of the benifits of moving to the villages was no more cameras.

[JoeB1]

I only worked in CA for 32 years so can only explain a speed trap according to their laws of fruits and nuts.
According to the CA. Vehicle Code section 40802
A "speed trap" is either of the following:
(a) A particular section of a highway measured as to distance and with boundaries marked, designated, or otherwise determined in order that the speed of a vehicle may be calculated by securing the time it takes the vehicle to travel the known distance.

Section 40802(b):
defines where "radar or other electronic devices" can be used to determine speed -- in essence, either on "local streets and roads" or on highways where a traffic survey has been conducted within the last five years.

So unless the officers are using a known length of roadway that they have actually marked off and are willing to state that in court, they are not using a "speed trap". Lots of people consider a location repeatedly used for speed enforcement a speed trap. Cops refer to them as duck ponds and judges refer to them as complain generators. Speeders refer to them as "not again, lord", locations.
Speed surveys are used to determine speed limits based on the numbers of vehicles that pass a given location at the median and average speeds for specific given times and days of the week. Traffic engineers take weeks to analysis the speed given the sight distance, number of vehicles, width of the road, shoulder size, configuration, angle of the sun, street lights at night, and a few others I can't remember.
Bottom lines is, like I saw in Alaska "Pick your speed --$50 dollars for anything over 45 MPH...$25 dollars for every 10 MPH over that".
The spot to stop in CAli is Star Bucks, not Dunkkin Donuts, way nicer veiws in SB's

[Indy-Guy]

As a retired police officer I can tell you by law and definition "speed traps" are illegal. What you really should be saying is that the local police officers are taking up positions along roadways where people are known to speed. I personally see nothing wrong with ticketing people who speed, never in my career did I give a tciket that wasn't deserved. I also love this other load of crap that police officers are out there writing tickets for revenue generation. Not once in my entire career did anyone from the city or police administration tell us to go write tickets so we could generate more revenue. Perhaps if you just slowed down you wouldn't have to worry about the "speed traps."

The od thing is I have never seen a police car pulled over for speeding. However I have been passed many many times by police cars with their families in the car as I was driving 5 mph over the posted speed limit. They have gone by me like I was sitting still.

Many police officers work under the tought that laws and rules are for other people and not them. I know officers that work under this way of life. This does not lend respect to them from many other people

I started this thread to let people know where they were very highly possible to get a ticket. But since it has gone this way I will glive my personal opinion.

Boy did it go a ways from that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NJblue]

I fail to see why wanting to go 45 MPH on a 4-lane divided highway constitutes being "in a hurry". How was this speed picked? Find me one other 4-lane, limited access road in the state with such a low speed limit. Would those who are "not in a hurry" be OK with it being lowered to 25?

[r_foye]

Jeez, if I had a dime for everytime I heard someone whining about police officers do this and police officers do that and I can't do it, I would not just be buying a house in The Villages, I would own The Villages. You wanna know what else police officers get to do that you don't? They get to have their asses kicked by meth users, they get to sleep all Christmas Day because they are pulling a 12 hour midnight shift while you enjoy your family, they get to retire with a litany of injuries because they have given a huge part of their lives to protect the whiners and complainers of this world. Get over it.

[ejp52]

Jeez, if I had a dime for everytime I heard someone whining about police officers do this and police officers do that and I can't do it, I would not just be buying a house in The Villages, I would own The Villages. You wanna know what else police officers get to do that you don't? They get to have their asses kicked by meth users, they get to sleep all Christmas Day because they are pulling a 12 hour midnight shift while you enjoy your family, they get to retire with a litany of injuries because they have given a huge part of their lives to protect the whiners and complainers of this world. Get over it.

Did you take the police job voluntarily?

[Pocadot55]

People live on Buena Vista. Would you like someone driving 45 mph past your house? Just because we have nice straight streets doesn't mean you have the right to go speeding past someone's house. Think about it.

[NJblue]

People live on Buena Vista. Would you like someone driving 45 mph past your house? Just because we have nice straight streets doesn't mean you have the right to go speeding past someone's house. Think about it.

People live backed up to 466A also and its speed limit is 45 (or more). Should we reduce speed limits around the country because people chose to live near a major road?

[NJblue]

Jeez, if I had a dime for everytime I heard someone whining about police officers do this and police officers do that and I can't do it, I would not just be buying a house in The Villages, I would own The Villages. You wanna know what else police officers get to do that you don't? They get to have their asses kicked by meth users, they get to sleep all Christmas Day because they are pulling a 12 hour midnight shift while you enjoy your family, they get to retire with a litany of injuries because they have given a huge part of their lives to protect the whiners and complainers of this world. Get over it.

I certainly hope you are not condoning police officers breaking the law with impunity just because they have a tough job. Lots of people have tough jobs (even more so than police officers). Does that mean that they also should be allowed to break traffic laws?

[Talk Host]

However I have been passed many many times by police cars with their families in the car as I was driving 5 mph over the posted speed limit. They have gone by me like I was sitting still.
!

In 62 years, I can't recall ever seeing a police patrol car with "their families" inside. When I was a deputy sheriff, I had my mother and father in the patrol car one time. I drove them from a parking lot into the Ohio State fair grounds as a courtesy, after getting permission from the Sheriff.

Oh, and how do you know these were family members of the cop? Is it possible that all of these officers you've seen were rushing families to a hospital to be with a dying family member. Many times, I was dispatched to pick up a family and take them to an emergency room where a close relative was dying from an accident or shooting or whatever. One night I drove an entire family (mother father and two little children) home after their car hit and killed an elderly couple walking across the Ohio turnpike at night.

Even so, if it what you say is true, does it justify your speeding? Nice try.

[MelZ]

In 62 years, I can't recall ever seeing a police patrol car with "their families" inside. When I was a deputy sheriff, I had my mother and father in the patrol car one time. I drove them from a parking lot into the Ohio State fair grounds as a courtesy, after getting permission from the Sheriff.

Oh, and how do you know these were family members of the cop? Is it possible that all of these officers you've seen were rushing families to a hospital to be with a dying family member. Many times, I was dispatched to pick up a family and take them to an emergency room where a close relative was dying from an accident or shooting or whatever. One night I drove an entire family (mother father and two little children) home after their car hit and killed an elderly couple walking across the Ohio turnpike at night.

Even so, if it what you say is true, does it justify your speeding? Nice try.

Did you ever "flash you tin" to get out of a ticket? Be honest

[memason]

I'm still a wannabe; couple years away, but I had to weigh in on this discussion. I do acquire my share of speeding tickets, in the US. I have been living in Germany for the last 6 months and driving the infamous autobahn....ie NO SPEED LIMIT! It's amazing how well we can all get along at 120MPH and it's rare that I see an accident. Some things are strictly illegal here though, like passing on the right. For that offense, you will get a hefty fine. Consequently, most drivers stay in the right lane, unless they are passing another vehicle. I have a 320 diesel BMW that will cruise at 125 to 130MPH all day long and get still get 30+ miles per gallon. Not sure why we can't build 'em that way in the US ???? Driving at 80MPH nets over 40MPG. By the way, at 125 MPH, I spend most of my time in the right lane!

Although the autobahn is speed limit free, all other roads have speed limits. In cities, the predominant speed limit is 50KM/h (31mph) and construction and school zones are 30km/h (18mph)...no exceptions. The interesting thing is they seldom stop a car...rather, they take your picture and mail you a ticket. Pretty efficient...the picture show you behind the wheel and your license plate, along with the speed you are driving. Tough to argue...

I know many of you will not share my fondness of a wide open autobahn, but I suspect there are few of you that would just like get out there and let 'er rip!

Next time I'm in the Villages, I guess I better watch my speed!

Enjoy.....

[Talk Host]

Did you ever "flash you tin" to get out of a ticket? Be honest


No, I never had to "flash my BADGE" because I was never in that situation.

[Pocadot55]

The speed limit on Buena Vista was 35 mph when the people purchased a house there so raising the speed limit past their house is not fair to them and the great investment they have made. If you raise the speed limit to 45mph people will drive 55mph. Most drivers drive over the speed limit but try to stay within 10mph of it because they assume the police will give them that much. They next time you drive down your street push up the speed 20mph and see if you would like cars passing your house at that speed. That's 10mph that you want to make legal and the extra 10 mph that most people will drive. People on 466A bought (I assume) their homes there with that speed limit and knew what they were buying.

[Peggy D]

Speeding is speeding no matter what the posted limit.

What I want to know is were are the police when some idiot cuts me (or other drivers)
off in the roundabouts? And I am told to epect worse when the snowbirds arrive

Good grief

[Cliff]

For those recommending the speed limit be raised on Buena Vista have you considered that this is a golf cart community which entitles "street legal LSVs" to travel with traffic on 35mph roads? I am surprised that the LSV crowd has not jumped all over this thread. As far as the speeding ticket argument is concerned, part of the driver's responsibility is to be aware of the speed limits on the roads that he travels and to obey the posted speed limits. For whatever reason, it is the driver's responsibility to comply with the law. Why do posters love to recommend disobeying the law? If you get tickets, you are not obeying the law, you are endangering your life and the lives of your passengers, and, most importantly, you are endangering me. I would love to see a police officer sit outside your house and ticket you the moment you depart your residence. He may save a life each and every time he/she gave you a ticket. Hopefully for you, you will get some sense in your head before you run out of your money budgeted for the courts. Advising motorists of where police are checking speeds is not doing anyone a favor. Let the speeders get the tickets. Consider yourself lucky if you are driving the speed limit and see the offender sitting on the side of the road getting written-up.

[dillywho]

Speed limits are exactly what they say they are.......limits. Not going over the limit = no ticket for speeding. No brainer, IMHO. Leave earlier or just be late. As Kathy on here says, "I consider on time to be when I get there." Oops, sorry....that's Kathi.

[NJblue]

If you get tickets, you are not obeying the law, you are endangering your life and the lives of your passengers, and, most importantly, you are endangering me. I would love to see a police officer sit outside your house and ticket you the moment you depart your residence. He may save a life each and every time he/she gave you a ticket.
You have missed my point - which is that driving 45 on 4-lane divided highways is still a very safe speed. Just because some arbitrary decision was made to post the speed limit at 35 does not mean that the road is unsafe to be driven at any higher speed. Following your logic, all of the other 4-lane divided highways around the country where people are driving the speed limit are all driving unsafely since the speed limits are above 35.

Higher speeds are not by themselves unsafe. What is unsafe is driving above the speed that is warranted for the road and the conditions. In the case of Morse and Buena Vista south of 466, they can easily accomodate safe driving at 45 MPH.

Lest you misunderstand me even more, I am not advocating breaking the law - just questioning the rationale of the law.

[Bogie Shooter]

You have missed my point - which is that driving 45 on 4-lane divided highways is still a very safe speed. Just because some arbitrary decision was made to post the speed limit at 35 does not mean that the road is unsafe to be driven at any higher speed. Following your logic, all of the other 4-lane divided highways around the country where people are driving the speed limit are all driving unsafely since the speed limits are above 35.

Higher speeds are not by themselves unsafe. What is unsafe is driving above the speed that is warranted for the road and the conditions. In the case of Morse and Buena Vista south of 466, they can easily accomodate safe driving at 45 MPH.

Lest you misunderstand me even more, I am not advocating breaking the law - just questioning the rationale of the law.
It is what it is.

[Ooper]

Speeding is speeding no matter what the posted limit.

What I want to know is were are the police when some idiot cuts me (or other drivers)
off in the roundabouts? And I am told to epect worse when the snowbirds arrive

Good grief

If people navigated the round-a-bouts in the correct lanes, there would be no "cutting off". I suspect if you were cut off, you were in the wrong lane!

[Hancle704]

You have missed my point - which is that driving 45 on 4-lane divided highways is still a very safe speed. Just because some arbitrary decision was made to post the speed limit at 35 does not mean that the road is unsafe to be driven at any higher speed. Following your logic, all of the other 4-lane divided highways around the country where people are driving the speed limit are all driving unsafely since the speed limits are above 35.

Higher speeds are not by themselves unsafe. What is unsafe is driving above the speed that is warranted for the road and the conditions. In the case of Morse and Buena Vista south of 466, they can easily accomodate safe driving at 45 MPH.

Lest you misunderstand me even more, I am not advocating breaking the law - just questioning the rationale of the law.


Since we are only talking about driving roads in TV and not the rest of the country, we should remember that while these roads can accomodate driving at 45 MPH, we are sharing the same roads with bicyclists, licensed low speed vehicles and many visitors who are not familiar with the roads or where they are going. Add to that mix senior drivers who may have slower reaction time and it seems perfectly sensible to me to have lower speed limits in our community. I have also noted that there is a good reason for lower speeds limits on bridges entering LSL, but some drivers still have not accepted the lower limits.

[Barefoot]

And I am told to epect worse when the snowbirds arrive
Good grief

Those darn snowbirds get blamed for just about everything! Restaurant lineups, unsuitable tee times, and now bad driving in roundabouts! Watch out, we'll soon be on our way. :girlneener:

[Pocadot55]

Instead of considering Buena Vista a divided four-lane highway, think of it as a lovely residential street (which is what it actually is) designed to accommodate moderately heavy traffic through a retirement community. It is not Interstate 75.

[Taj44]

Which is why I really don't like the unrealistically low speed limits and the strict enforcement of them. It stacks the deck against people around here in terms of the potential for increased insurance costs. After over 40 years of driving, one gets to intuitively know what the speed limit of a road should be by its layout. When the limit is artificially reduced it makes it very difficult to drive within the law.

Besides, slower is not necessarily safer. When a speed limit is much lower than the conditions would normally call for, it creates a situation where you have two different types of drivers - those who go the speed limit and those who drive based on the condition of the road. It is the resulting inequity in speed that produces an unsafe condition.

However, if safety were the real issue, the cops would be far better off camping themselves at a traffic circle and ticketing those who insist on using the outside lanes no matter where they want to end up. These are the people who are the cause for most of the close calls that I have had while being here. I have never seen a near accident caused by someone going 45 on Buena Vista.

What you said is exactly on the mark. I'm a retired traffic engineer, and what people don't realize is that artificially lowering speed limits actually can increase accidents rather than reduce them. The best speed limit on a roadway is the speed that the majority of the traffic want to drive and is generally based on the geometry of the road, amount of roadside development, driveway density, accident history, etc. School zones are an exemption to this rule. Also, urban areas are often zoned a particular speed - such as 30 mph within the city limits. The goal in setting speed limits is to maintain free flowing traffic. This tends to reduce accidents and congestion. In NY state the speed limits are set by a joint analysis done by traffic engineers and the state police. I'm not familiar with the process here in Florida, so will not comment on the situation here in The Villages.

There is a big problem at the roundabouts when people get in the wrong lane and cut others off. I think they need an education plan, along with posting police at some of the major trouble spots and giving tickets and/or warnings.

[billethkid]

traffic circle rules apply to them. If you exclude the newbies or visitors and make allowances for the too mature to be driving, most of the problems are residents who just don't care....and non-residents who could care even less.

In the case of the latter two groups....ticket....ticket and more tickets.....

They must be in a hurry to go home and get their geritol and take a nap. Maybe it reminds them of being on their roads back home where even more could care less about rules, regulations, rights of way.

Where ever they hail from they need a simple lesson in courtesy (yes a labotomy!!).

btk

[NJblue]

I disagree that it is the speeders who are the cause of the traffic circle problem. The problem comes from the people who enter the circle from the right lane (typically not the lane used by "speeders"). They then proceed to take the right, outermost lane in the circle but, rather than go right at the first or second exits (i.e., take a right turn or continue straight on the roadway), they continue around the circle in the outer lane. By doing this they then cut off any driver who entered the circle from the left lane and wants to proceed straight by using the inner circle. If either person had been speeding, it is most likely the one in the left lane, yet the person in the right lane is the one who is at fault for not using the circle properly.

I'll repeat what I said previously. If you want to make a major improvement in the safety of our roadways, you would divert some of the police attention to speeders and concentrate on the people who don't follow the rules in the circles. If, as you say, it is the speeders who are most likely the cause for traffic circle accidents (which I seriously doubt), then you will have killed two birds with one stone.

[billethkid]

swiped twice by those going too fast and coming across the line into my lane.

Same circle twice within a year and if we were not defensive drivers, it would be a lot more.

The entrance to our Village is off a traffic circle so we get to witness the violations DAILY.

They drive two fast to control their vehicle once in the circle. They drive to fast approaching the circle with no intent of yielding to traffic in the circle.

When I say witness it DAILY it is not an exaggeration.

Tickets....many more tickets please!!!!!!!!!!!!!

btk

[memason]

I agree.... the traffic circles are a matter of driving in the proper lane and using the lanes properly.

Just as an experiment, I watched the webcam over Spanish Springs Square a few days ago. the camera was trained, such that I could see the corner and watch traffic travel around to the left. Keep in mind, this is a one-way street with 2 lanes of traffic. I watched for about 5 minutes and fully 90% of drivers started from the outside lane and cut across to the inside lane [around the corner] and then back to the outside lane. Not sure why there are lanes there??? No one seems to adhere to proper lane usage. Golf carts were the only exception to this experiment. Here's the website...check for yourself...if the camera is trained in the right place.

Cheers.....

http://www.thevillages.com/lifestyle/cam_ss.asp

[NJblue]

swiped twice by those going too fast and coming across the line into my lane.

Same circle twice within a year and if we were not defensive drivers, it would be a lot more.

The entrance to our Village is off a traffic circle so we get to witness the violations DAILY.

They drive two fast to control their vehicle once in the circle. They drive to fast approaching the circle with no intent of yielding to traffic in the circle.

When I say witness it DAILY it is not an exaggeration.

Tickets....many more tickets please!!!!!!!!!!!!!

btk

If so, then perhaps we can agree to take down the radar "traps" along the straight sections of Buena Vista and Morse and station the cops at the circles instead. That way they can catch both the speeders who abuse the circles as well as the non-speeders who cut people off by not following the proper procedure. The circles are where it is unsafe - let's concentrate our law enforcement there. With our current enforcement procedure, the one place a speeder is most immune from being caught is in the circle - the exact place where he/she presents the most threat.

[NJblue]

What you said is exactly on the mark. I'm a retired traffic engineer, and what people don't realize is that artificially lowering speed limits actually can increase accidents rather than reduce them. The best speed limit on a roadway is the speed that the majority of the traffic want to drive and is generally based on the geometry of the road, amount of roadside development, driveway density, accident history, etc. School zones are an exemption to this rule. Also, urban areas are often zoned a particular speed - such as 30 mph within the city limits. The goal in setting speed limits is to maintain free flowing traffic. This tends to reduce accidents and congestion. In NY state the speed limits are set by a joint analysis done by traffic engineers and the state police. I'm not familiar with the process here in Florida, so will not comment on the situation here in The Villages.

There is a big problem at the roundabouts when people get in the wrong lane and cut others off. I think they need an education plan, along with posting police at some of the major trouble spots and giving tickets and/or warnings.



Thanks for your expert support for what I thought was quite intuitively obvious. It's nice when intuition is backed by scientific study.

[Peggy D]

If people navigated the round-a-bouts in the correct lanes, there would be no "cutting off". I suspect if you were cut off, you were in the wrong lane!

No, I think I was in the correct lane. I was in the right-hand lane continuing around the roundabout. The car in the left-hand lane and slightly ahead of me decided to turn into a village on the right side of the road. Is this legal
in Florida?
I might be wrong, but where I come from I was "cut off"

[Cliff]

Boy oh boy, I bet they will be lining up to be the one to teach you how to use the roundabouts here.

[Halle]

Peggy if you were continuing around you were in the wrong lane.

This link explains how to navigate the Roundabouts.

http://www.districtgov.org/images/WhatsNew/RoundaboutBrochure%20-%20FINAL070908.pdf

If you do a search you will find many discussions on the Roundabouts.

[Quixote]

Speeding is speeding no matter what the posted limit.

What I want to know is were are the police when some idiot cuts me (or other drivers)
off in the roundabouts? And I am told to epect worse when the snowbirds arrive

Good grief

I agree speeding is speeding no matter what the posted limit and good for police giving tickets. But isnt a snowbird someone who pays 12 months of taxes and fees and uses the roads and services for only 6 mopnths or 8 months?

[Peggy D]

My mistake. I was going straight (no around) Continuing on the present road.

A car making a Right hand turn from the Left lane is legal? You're right, I guess I do have alot to learn.

[Peggy D]

I agree speeding is speeding no matter what the posted limit and good for police giving tickets. But isnt a snowbird someone who pays 12 months of taxes and fees and uses the roads and services for only 6 mopnths or 8 months?

Trust me, I am not bashing snowbirds, I was warned by your neighbors--other Villagers. I'm new here

[Ooper]

No, I think I was in the correct lane. I was in the right-hand lane continuing around the roundabout. The car in the left-hand lane and slightly ahead of me decided to turn into a village on the right side of the road. Is this legal
in Florida?
I might be wrong, but where I come from I was "cut off"

If you were in the right hand lane "continuing" around the roundabout, you were in the wrong lane. To continue around the roundabout, you should have entered and stayed in the left lane, as the car next to you was, until you exited. If you were, you would not have been cut off. There have been numerous videos and directions posted in these forums about roundabout protocol if you do a search... unfortunately, common sense and caution will be the only safeguard as there will never be a time when everybody follows all the rules.

[Bogie Shooter]

Here is a picture show that will tell you how to to the round-a-bouts. Enjoy.
http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/eesc/CAE/designvisualization/video/Portfolio/Modern_Roundabouts/mpg_index.htm

[Talk Host]

Here is a picture show that will tell you how to to the round-a-bouts. Enjoy.
http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/eesc/CAE/designvisualization/video/Portfolio/Modern_Roundabouts/mpg_index.htm

I'm afraid that this video does not apply to the round-a-bouts in the villages. The pavement markings on the round-a-bouts here are different depending on which one you are using. Some direct you off at the first exit, some allow you to go all the way around, others send you off at the second exit. It's very confusing if you don't look at the painted lines on the pavement. It's easy if you look at the solid and broken lines.

Also see how many people just drive across the solid lines and continue around.

[Peggy D]

Here is a picture show that will tell you how to to the round-a-bouts. Enjoy.
http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/eesc/CAE/designvisualization/video/Portfolio/Modern_Roundabouts/mpg_index.htm

Sorry, this doesn't come up for me. But Jan is right its not the same here. If you look at the handout about roundabouts, it does show a continuing arrow around the entire circle in that right hand lane and is marked as a "circulatory Roadway".


I was continuing south in the right lane approching the roundabout on Morse Blvd (according to my GPS) taking "the second exit". A car in the left hand lane turned "right" in front of me to go into Bonita--cut me off. You're telling me this is a legal turn?

[Bogie Shooter]

Sorry, this doesn't come up for me. But Jan is right its not the same here. If you look at the handout about roundabouts, it does show a continuing arrow around the entire circle in that right hand lane and is marked as a "circulatory Roadway".


I was continuing south in the right lane approching the roundabout on Morse Blvd (according to my GPS) taking "the second exit". A car in the left hand lane turned "right" in front of me to go into Bonita--cut me off. You're telling me this is a legal turn?

When entering a roundabout you must yield to traffic already in the roundabout.....obviously if a car was that close you, did not yield.
BTW cut and paste the url and it should work for you.

[Taj44]

I disagree that it is the speeders who are the cause of the traffic circle problem. The problem comes from the people who enter the circle from the right lane (typically not the lane used by "speeders"). They then proceed to take the right, outermost lane in the circle but, rather than go right at the first or second exits (i.e., take a right turn or continue straight on the roadway), they continue around the circle in the outer lane. By doing this they then cut off any driver who entered the circle from the left lane and wants to proceed straight by using the inner circle. .....
I'll repeat what I said previously. If you want to make a major improvement in the safety of our roadways, you would divert some of the police attention to speeders and concentrate on the people who don't follow the rules in the circles.

I agree!

[zcaveman]

I don't care what anyone says. If I am in the right lane and a car from the left lane cuts in front of me to turn right he is in the wrong. I don't care if it is in a roundabout or on a regular street. It is just plain wrong. The driver in the left lane should make sure that you are turning before he cuts in front of you. That would be the intelligent and careful thing to do

If the roundabouts have those confusing yellow line barriers and the solid line then I agree. But there are only two of those confusing painted roundabouts in the Villages. One at the Springdale-Piedmont area and one at the Stillwater area. If there are more on the south side I am unaware of them because I don't go over there that much.

If the Villages/State of Florida want those confusing painted roundabouts to work, they should paint them all so we understand that all roundabouts have the same rules.

[paulandjean]

pretty simple. do not drive close to another car. I have no trouble.

[chacam]

I don't allow anyone to be near me when I'm in a roundabout!

[NJblue]

I don't care what anyone says. If I am in the right lane and a car from the left lane cuts in front of me to turn right he is in the wrong.
I'm afraid the judge won't see it that way. You may be continuing to claim that you are right, but you will be doing so while you write out the check for damages done and increased insurance costs.

[humbug486]

The speed limit of 35 M.P.H. Maximum in The Villages is so that we can operate golf carts. Increse the speed limit-remove the carts. Personally, if you speed or run a red light, you deserve what you get.

[Village Coop]

Hello all, My best advice as not to get a speeding ticket is simple, DON'T SPEED. Only law breakers receive tickets. In my old profession, I used to give speeding tickets only to those who deserve them. Also, many bad criminal types have been brought to justice because they were stopped for speeding. So don't worry where the police are doing radar, only keep a close eye on your speedometer and keep our roads safe for all. Have a good day. Coop

[Grill Meister]

I agree that if the objective is to promote safety through keeping drivers to the speed limits.....keep a cruiser visible.:thumbup: If it's to generate revenue, set up radar where motorists cannot see it until too late.:yuck:

My concern is that those who are ticketed are residents, not workers coming into and leaving TV. The troopers are not out during the morning and afternoon rush hours when the workers are on the roads. They are only out after and before those hours. Is this just a figment of my imagination?

[Bogie Shooter]

I agree that if the objective is to promote safety through keeping drivers to the speed limits.....keep a cruiser visible.:thumbup: If it's to generate revenue, set up radar where motorists cannot see it until too late.:yuck:

My concern is that those who are ticketed are residents, not workers coming into and leaving TV. The troopers are not out during the morning and afternoon rush hours when the workers are on the roads. They are only out after and before those hours. Is this just a figment of my imagination?
Why are you concerned that residents are getting tickets for speeding?????

[Barefoot]

Hello all, My best advice as not to get a speeding ticket is simple, DON'T SPEED. Only law breakers receive tickets.

Post # 68 says it best .. simple, but true. :agree:

[nitehawk]

The speed limit of 35 M.P.H. Maximum in The Villages is so that we can operate golf carts. Increse the speed limit-remove the carts. Personally, if you speed or run a red light, you deserve what you get.

I agree

[NJblue]

The speed limit of 35 M.P.H. Maximum in The Villages is so that we can operate golf carts. Increase the speed limit-remove the carts. Personally, if you speed or run a red light, you deserve what you get.

I completely and emphatically agree that roads where cars share the roadways with golf carts that the limit should be no more then 35. My point is that major roads such as Buena Vista and Morse, south of 466 do not have golf carts on them and are designed to safely handle speeds of 45 MPH.

It was pointed out that these roads also can accommodate LSVs and hence should be kept at 35 for this purpose. I disagree with this completely and argue that this is more of a reason to raise the limit to 45. By doing so, it would eliminate the LSVs from being on these roads. Because LSVs have a maximum speed of 25, if they are on a road where cars are going 35, they create an unsafe condition (see the posts above about disparity in speed is the real cause for unsafe driving, not speed per se.)

[blueeagle65]

If you don't break the law and speed you won't be ticketed. I wish there were a dozen officers out there every day to enforce the traffic laws.
:police::police::police::police::police::police:

[ejp52]

I completely and emphatically agree that roads where cars share the roadways with golf carts that the limit should be no more then 35. My point is that major roads such as Buena Vista and Morse, south of 466 do not have golf carts on them and are designed to safely handle speeds of 45 MPH.

It was pointed out that these roads also can accommodate LSVs and hence should be kept at 35 for this purpose. I disagree with this completely and argue that this is more of a reason to raise the limit to 45. By doing so, it would eliminate the LSVs from being on these roads. Because LSVs have a maximum speed of 25, if they are on a road where cars are going 35, they create an unsafe condition (see the posts above about disparity in speed is the real cause for unsafe driving, not speed per se.)

:agree:

[babbs455]

One other thing with all the cops it just isnt safe around here anymore

I HAVE TO AGREE! I have never seen so much red light running and illegal manuevers in my life! It is almost like anything goes, all rules of the road have gone by the wayside. And then people wonder why all the speed traps and cops...if you obey the rules of the road you should not have anything to worry about except for other guy.....IT IS GETTING WORSE and not just here in TV but I have to agree it is really bad here....shrug:

[LKBP33]

They need to put up lights and do away with the circles.

[Russ_Boston]

I beg of all of you: PLEASE no new round-a-bout talk - I couldn't take it! :) :) :)

[jebartle]

They are still giving tickets on Chula Vista, between Rio Grande and 466....I think the speed limit of 25 mph is correct speed, there are many many walkers, it is residential obviously, and several handicapped residents on this street, so please be safe.

[Dynasty]

Love my cruise control. This saves me from going over the speed limit. I'm not sure how anyone can control their speed without it, especially 25 or 35 mph.

[Talk Host]

"I am entitled to drive as fast as I like."

[paulandjean]

my view. the police in the village area have the best job in the world. lets be real.hardly any crime.very few teenagers to deal with. drugs in the villages very very little.a little shoplifting minor crimes. that leads us to traffic tickets,thats what they spend their time on. cops love it here. best job in florida. if you do not think so, I have heard it first hand.

[gemorc]

Those darn snowbirds get blamed for just about everything! Restaurant lineups, unsuitable tee times, and now bad driving in roundabouts! Watch out, we'll soon be on our way. :girlneener:

Good by.

[Tamma49]

Check out this site...

http://www.speedtrap.org/

[Biancarose]

From what I see living near Rio Grande and Chula Vista Ave, MOST DRIVERS DON'T OBEY THE SPEED LIMIT. There is too much traffic now that drivers cut through to 466:(

[Biancarose]

I am seeing more police presence on Rio Grande and Chula Vista Ave. Since 466 cuts through here, there is an increase of traffic and speeding. There are no sidewalks on Chula and speeding is very dangerous. Please, slow down and follow the speed limit.

[red tail]

My observation is that the speed limits are ridiculously low given the roadways. For example, Buena Vista, a 4-lane divided highway with a speed limit of 35 is way too low. It could be at least 45 without being unsafe. Of course, the limits around the circles should be much lower. Same thing with 25 MPH on Morse on the bridge.

These unusually low speed limits given the nature of the roadways constitute a speed trap by my definition.

i think they are 35 so we that drive lsv's are legal to use these roadways.

[ddan32162]

After reading 9 pages of posts, my thoughts: If you want to go 45 mph, use US 27/441 or US 301 to get from one end to the other. If you raise the speed on Buena Vista or Morse then LSVs will not be able to use these streets, and yes they use them south of 466. Use your cruise control and you won't inadvertently go too fast. Okay, the major roads are county roads, but its a retirement community with lots of seniors driving around. A law is a law whether you like it or not. Break the law, suffer the consequences if you get caught. We all do it sometimes, nobody's perfect, but as for me, I try to always follow the law. The roundabouts are tricky -- standard rules are impossible to apply to the small Villages roundabouts, but again, I try to avoid all cars around me when I'm in the roundabouts. Police should have our respect -- their job is to protect us. The end.

[Chief X]

Typically I won't comment on forums where police matters are brought up --because many people need a scapegoat, rather than take responsibility for their own actions. But this time, having just left Dunkin Donuts, and now sitting in front of my computer, I feel the need to respond.

It has always been interesting to me to hear about law enforcement agencies that are doing one particular function of their job, in this case --traffic enforcement. For the past 30 years, I've heard it all; "why aren't you out there arresting real criminals? What is your quota for speeders? I saw an officer speeding past me and he wasn't responding to a call," etc.

A few have said it on here - "if you don't want a ticket, don't speed". That sounds pretty reasonable to me.

I also like where the Talk Host was asked if he ever had to "flash his tin" to get out of a ticket. He apparently never had to do that, which makes two of us. Maybe we are just more aware of, or pay better attention to the speed limits, having been in an enforcement capacity. Too many people today are preoccupied with that almighty cell phone while they drive, along with those who find it necessary to eat, put on makeup, or a host of other distractors while driving. News Flash -- Driving is a full time job!

Having only lived in the Villages for 7 months, I may be a newcomer, but I have very good observation qualities. Not only do I ride a motorcycle around the Villages, I also run and ride my bicycle 6 days each week, so I do observe a lot of things here including traffic.

My first 4 months here I witnessed two accidents involving my sons car and a friends car that were hit while parked, and I was also hit on my bicycle by a car. One of the drivers told me she was legally blind. Go figure! I've had many close calls while running too. I guess if I stated that the majority of drivers in the Villages are horrible drivers, that would be no different than inferring that cops sit at Dunkin Donuts when the weather is bad.

From what I've seen while living here, I fully understand why the local police have active traffic enforcement patrols. I for one have no problem --even on the Harley-- keeping within the posted limits.

It's kind of like the weather, or perhaps the restaurants around here --some people are just never happy.

Chief X

[red tail]

ive always wondered why retired law enforcement folks still carry a badge. i realize it says' retired ' on it but why carry it?no offense intended i'm just curious?

[Talk Host]

I'm wondering what it would be like if the police/sheriff NEVER enforced speeding laws in The Villages. What if they weren't there, EVER. What would it be like?

[skyguy79]

I'm wondering what it would be like if the police/sheriff NEVER enforced speeding laws in The Villages. What if they weren't there, EVER. What would it be like?Maybe something like this:

http://youtu.be/RjrEQaG5jPM

[Russ_Boston]

ive always wondered why retired law enforcement folks still carry a badge. i realize it says' retired ' on it but why carry it?no offense intended i'm just curious?

I assume that is retorical? I think you know the answer.

[zcaveman]

I assume that is retorical? I think you know the answer.

Not really. It was a good question.

[red tail]

I assume that is retorical? I think you know the answer.

it was in response of two former law enforcment people saying they have never 'flashed their tin' . got me to wondering why retirees would carry a badge.

[collie1228]

My guess is that retired cops still carry their badges for the same reason that 80 year old Marines still say "Semper Fi". Marines and cops are both part of something much larger than themselves, and feel proud. I've been neither a Marine nor a cop, but I think that's a good thing.

[GeorgeT]

I'm wondering what it would be like if the police/sheriff NEVER enforced speeding laws in The Villages. What if they weren't there, EVER. What would it be like?

:doh:

[downeaster]

Originally Posted by NJblue
My observation is that the speed limits are ridiculously low given the roadways. For example, Buena Vista, a 4-lane divided highway with a speed limit of 35 is way too low. It could be at least 45 without being unsafe. Of course, the limits around the circles should be much lower. Same thing with 25 MPH on Morse on the bridge.

These unusually low speed limits given the nature of the roadways constitute a speed trap by my definition

i think they are 35 so we that drive lsv's are legal to use these roadways.

I think line of sight also comes into consideration when determining speed limits. For instance, if traveling north on BV and making a left turn onto Talley Ridge you may find a car not visible when you start to turn suddenly almost on top of you. Increasing the speed limit to 45MPH will result in people driving in excess of 50MPH.

It seems driving in excess of the posted speed limits is considered an entitlement by a lot of drivers. The same applies to running red lights and stop signs.

[Chief X]

it was in response of two former law enforcment people saying they have never 'flashed their tin' . got me to wondering why retirees would carry a badge.

Speaking personally as to why I carry my police I.D. (typically not a badge) is for identification purposes. It's common for me when I am in an area for an extended period (vacation, visiting relatives, moving to the Villages) I tend to stop in at the local police department and introduce myself, as I still consider these people as family.

I also offer up my assistance at times, like two mornings ago (3:15 a.m. in NJ) when a car crashed into the telephone pole in front of my home and I assisted the operator and with traffic, while waiting for the duty officer to arrive. Anytime that I see an officer in harms way, I will go out of my way to assist. Having my I.D. readily available can be very important at times.

Do active officers and retired officers carry their badge as a means to hopefully "get a break" if they are stopped? Most certainly. Face it, that's just life. Professional courtesy is not limited to the police. I'm sure that a cardiologist needing open heart surgery, will get a much better deal than I will. I'm sure that a dentist doesn't pay full price for a root canal etc.

I also know that many motorists get breaks everyday. It's those who don't that usually feel that cops and the system aren't fair.

Just my two and a half cents. Carry on.

Chief x

[jackz]

Speaking personally as to why I carry my police I.D. (typically not a badge) is for identification purposes. It's common for me when I am in an area for an extended period (vacation, visiting relatives, moving to the Villages) I tend to stop in at the local police department and introduce myself, as I still consider these people as family.

I also offer up my assistance at times, like two mornings ago (3:15 a.m. in NJ) when a car crashed into the telephone pole in front of my home and I assisted the operator and with traffic, while waiting for the duty officer to arrive. Anytime that I see an officer in harms way, I will go out of my way to assist. Having my I.D. readily available can be very important at times.

Do active officers and retired officers carry their badge as a means to hopefully "get a break" if they are stopped? Most certainly. Face it, that's just life. Professional courtesy is not limited to the police. I'm sure that a cardiologist needing open heart surgery, will get a much better deal than I will. I'm sure that a dentist doesn't pay full price for a root canal etc.

I also know that many motorists get breaks everyday. It's those who don't that usually feel that cops and the system aren't fair.

Just my two and a half cents. Carry on.

Chief x

Agree with Chief on this subject of carrying retired ID or badges.

Law Enforcement is a tight knit family which comes from the fact that many Law Enforcement Officers (LEOS) have many times had to depend on each other to protect themselves and the public when in harms way.

Law Enforcement does not hand out a gold watch or other token of appreciation at retirement. The best they can do is present you with your credentials and or badge with the RETIRED notation on them.

Although a lot of retirees carry them as a sign of pride in their previous career they are also very handy to identify the retiree when he/she will inevitably step in to help a current LEO who may be in need of assistance.

[KittyKat]

My observation is that the speed limits are ridiculously low given the roadways. For example, Buena Vista, a 4-lane divided highway with a speed limit of 35 is way too low. It could be at least 45 without being unsafe. Of course, the limits around the circles should be much lower.

FYI NJblue: Buena Vista isNOT a 4-lane divided highway like 27/441--it is a RESIDENTIAL street. I'll bet you go crazy on Morse Blvd north of 466 where it is 30mph! I set my cruise control to 32mph because if I set it at 30 then people like you are riding my bumper. I have the opposite problem on 466: people driving 35 on a 45mph road! Go figure!:shrug:

[Russ_Boston]

Law Enforcement does not hand out a gold watch or other token of appreciation at retirement. The best they can do is present you with your credentials and or badge with the RETIRED notation on them.

Don't get me wrong - I really appreciate anyone in civil service. But to say they don't hand out a gold watch? Most law enforcement people I know have great pensions and health benefits after retirment. My uncle basically triple dipped (SP in the Navy 20 years, 15 years detective in RI and then state fire marshall office). Yes they deserve it but to say they don't get any token of appreciation is just not correct.

It's a brotherhood and that's OK with me - just don't downplay it.

[jackz]

Don't get me wrong - I really appreciate anyone in civil service. But to say they don't hand out a gold watch? Most law enforcement people I know have great pensions and health benefits after retirment. My uncle basically triple dipped (SP in the Navy 20 years, 15 years detective in RI and then state fire marshall office). Yes they deserve it but to say they don't get any token of appreciation is just not correct.

It's a brotherhood and that's OK with me - just don't downplay it.

Russ:
By no means was I attempting to downplay the retirement of law enforcement officers. I did not equate an earned retirement and benefits with a "token of appreciation".

You are correct that retirements and benefits are excellent, especially in the current economic climate we are all in.

I for one do not begrudge the benefit packages that are provided after a
FULL career in law enforcement.

I would also hope that your medical profession offers a brotherhood of sorts. Have a great day.

[katezbox]

Typically I won't comment on forums where police matters are brought up --because many people need a scapegoat, rather than take responsibility for their own actions. But this time, having just left Dunkin Donuts, and now sitting in front of my computer, I feel the need to respond.

It has always been interesting to me to hear about law enforcement agencies that are doing one particular function of their job, in this case --traffic enforcement. For the past 30 years, I've heard it all; "why aren't you out there arresting real criminals? What is your quota for speeders? I saw an officer speeding past me and he wasn't responding to a call," etc.

A few have said it on here - "if you don't want a ticket, don't speed". That sounds pretty reasonable to me.

I also like where the Talk Host was asked if he ever had to "flash his tin" to get out of a ticket. He apparently never had to do that, which makes two of us. Maybe we are just more aware of, or pay better attention to the speed limits, having been in an enforcement capacity. Too many people today are preoccupied with that almighty cell phone while they drive, along with those who find it necessary to eat, put on makeup, or a host of other distractors while driving. News Flash -- Driving is a full time job!

Having only lived in the Villages for 7 months, I may be a newcomer, but I have very good observation qualities. Not only do I ride a motorcycle around the Villages, I also run and ride my bicycle 6 days each week, so I do observe a lot of things here including traffic.

My first 4 months here I witnessed two accidents involving my sons car and a friends car that were hit while parked, and I was also hit on my bicycle by a car. One of the drivers told me she was legally blind. Go figure! I've had many close calls while running too. I guess if I stated that the majority of drivers in the Villages are horrible drivers, that would be no different than inferring that cops sit at Dunkin Donuts when the weather is bad.

From what I've seen while living here, I fully understand why the local police have active traffic enforcement patrols. I for one have no problem --even on the Harley-- keeping within the posted limits.

It's kind of like the weather, or perhaps the restaurants around here --some people are just never happy.

Chief X

Chief,

Having lived much of my life in New England - cops and Dunkin Donuts jokes are just a part of life. However, when I had need of the police in my town, they were always professional and highly effective at their jobs.

I agree that if you don't want to pay the dime (or do the time), then for goodness sakes don't break the law. And I do agree that speeders are "real" lawbreakers.

However, here is where I take exception and I think that I am not alone. When a speed limit drops by 20 mph or more - with or without warning - in a short expanse of road, and an officer is just waiting, well.... that is revenue raising. Play fair. If the speed limit is going to drop - give adequate warning to allow drivers time to comply. I think it is situations like these that give rise to the "quota" comments.

JMO

[rubicon]

I just found this thread. the New York Troopers fought back raising the speed limi from 55MPH when the rest of the country was at 70MPH. They complained that an increase would cause more deaths. Fast forward some 20 years plus and national stats indicate both accident and auto deaths are down. I will concur that safer vehicles contributes to the good stats.

I have repeatedly read in this thread that police do not give tickets as a source of revenue. If not then why is it everytime police begin contract negotiations the first thing they reference is how they can slow up on issuing tickets. Police will never admit it but they patrol or park and wait in areas they know are easy pickings because of the nature of the area such as easily missing the speed limit changing from 45 to 35 ...and guess at which line the police officer waits? It isn't getting a ticket that gets me its the hypocrisy of it. The same applies to red light cameras wherein the timing of changes of the caution (yellow) can be manipulated. Keep in mind the companies selling, installing and maintaining theese lights split the revnue. But you will never win that argument because the public message is "we are keeping your roadways safe". Also keep in mind when an officer investigaterd an accident and can't pinpoint the cause he/she normally will default to "speed too fast for conditions" Its a catchall. Please understand I have great respect for police officers and the work they do but the ticket issuance has always set badly with me and I only got one ticket in my life. I don't like to putt putt around in my car but I do here because they have too many speed traps here and you are bound to get ticket no matter how diligent you are determined to be. But right or wrong that is why they do it. It doesn't make sense and the traffic engineer in an earlier post was spot on. Whenever anyone says "it ain't about the money", its about the money
By the way an ex-police officer (Florida) was looking in TV as he retired. He made mention as to his pension and free medical. His pension and benefits far exceeded in 20 years what most people from the private sector make after 35-40 years.

[Talk Host]

Every time a ticket is issued in any state, county or city, the fine that is imposed on the lawbreaker goes into the general operating fund of that political subdivision. Let's say at the end of a year, $2,000,000 in fines have been levied, based on, say, 250,000 speeding violations.

That $2,000,000 goes toward operation of that political subdivision. (Fines collected: A line item in the budget)

Now, let's go to next year. Fewer tickets are issued, fewer fines are levied, less money goes into the general fund. BUT that money was already earmarked, based on last years revenue. Let's say it's down by half....to $1,000,000.

Hey taxpayers, guess who's gonna make up the difference.:wave:

Now, I ask, who would you rather pay that difference, you as a tax payer, or a speeder as a lawbreaker?:loco:

JLK

[memason]

Every time a ticket is issued in any state, county or city, the fine that is imposed on the lawbreaker goes into the general operating fund of that political subdivision. Let's say at the end of a year, $2,000,000 in fines have been levied, based on, say, 250,000 speeding violations.

That $2,000,000 goes toward operation of that political subdivision. (Fines collected: A line item in the budget)

Now, let's go to next year. Fewer tickets are issued, fewer fines are levied, less money goes into the general fund. BUT that money was already earmarked, based on last years revenue. Let's say it's down by half....to $1,000,000.

Hey taxpayers, guess who's gonna make up the difference.:wave:

Now, I ask, who would you rather pay that difference, you as a tax payer, or a speeder as a lawbreaker?:loco:

JLK

This seems to validate the notion that the issuance of speeding citations is more about revenue generation than public safety.

I agree with that assessment.

I believe people break laws they feel are not reasonable. Many times, speed limits appear rather arbitrary and have little to do with protection of the traveling public.


Just my thinking ....

[Snowbird]

We live in a golf cart community, hence the lower speeds. Most people go 5 to 10 miles over the posted speeds. So if they are raised to 45, people will go 50 at least, then there goes a villager in a street legal golf cart doing its top speed of 25, bad things could definitely happen. I believe sections of Morse Blvd are posted at 45 and I have traveled it at 45 and been passed by much faster vehicles. We don't need Morse Blvd and Buena Vista to become shortcuts for speeding non-villagers at the peril of Villagers. So support the police and slow down. Just my opinion....

[Bogie Shooter]

We live in a golf cart community, hence the lower speeds. Most people go 5 to 10 miles over the posted speeds. So if they are raised to 45, people will go 50 at least, then there goes a villager in a street legal golf cart doing its top speed of 25, bad things could definitely happen. I believe sections of Morse Blvd are posted at 45 and I have traveled it at 45 and been passed by much faster vehicles. We don't need Morse Blvd and Buena Vista to become shortcuts for speeding non-villagers at the peril of Villagers. So support the police and slow down. Just my opinion....
I guessed that.

[BowleesCreekYachtClub]

Nothing is reasonable until someone gets killed.

In the United States in 2009 we managed to kill over 33,500 people in traffic accidents - it was a good year, down from 39,000 the previous year. Who knows how many were hospitalized and the degree of their injuries? It takes about 10 million road accidents a year to cause this carnage. Every day close to 100 more people gone and many more in hospital! These numbers make all of the disasters and wars we hear about every day in the news pale by comparison.

I think the traffic laws are reasonable and thank the police for enforcing them.

Allan.

[NJblue]

FYI NJblue: Buena Vista isNOT a 4-lane divided highway like 27/441--it is a RESIDENTIAL street. I'll bet you go crazy on Morse Blvd north of 466 where it is 30mph! I set my cruise control to 32mph because if I set it at 30 then people like you are riding my bumper. I have the opposite problem on 466: people driving 35 on a 45mph road! Go figure!:shrug:

Just because people have their backyard facing a highway doesn't make it a residential street. If that were the case, there are interstate highways that would qualify as residential streets. Actually, 27/441 are more dangerous than Morse/BV from a traffic entering and leaving the highways perspective since there are many parking lots that cars exit to and enter from. With minor exceptions (e.g. rec centers), on Morse and BV the only place a car can enter or leave it are at controlled access points (roundabouts and traffic lights).

Also, I take exception to being characterized as a tailgater ("people like you") - here's a life lesson for you: just because someone advocates a change in a law, it doesn't mean that they are a law breaker or a discourteous driver. If you are behind me on Morse with your cruise control set at 32, you'll likely rear end me since mine is set at 30.

[rubicon]

The Talk Host explained that revnue from tickets is placed in the general fund. If less are collected the following year it is made up with tax increases. However based on taxpayers experiences over the years it more likely that despite the amount of revenue raised by issuance of tickets its likely they will see a tax increase. What the Talk Host didn't explain is what personal rewards or recognition a police officer is given for meeting departmental goals.Think about this such goals create a conflict of interests.

Another member points out that drivers usually o 5mph or more over the posted limits and so increase the limits they will just exceed that raised posted limit. But my experience after 5 years driving on these roads is that most drivers violate the highways by driving well below the posted limit. the same applies to carts and cartpaths. The fact is you have a great number of drivers of golf carts driving below 16mph.

Another member referenced the number of deaths on the highway but based on long term statistics both deaths and accidents are down despite the country moving from a 55mph speed to 70 mph or more. So you would think that the opposite would be true.

[Talk Host]

What the Talk Host didn't explain is what personal rewards or recognition a police officer is given for meeting departmental goals.Think about this such goals create a conflict of interests.
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If you are a carpenter, you are expected to build things. If you are a doctor,your job is to treat patients. If you are a dog catcher, your job is to catch dogs. If you are a police officer, your job is to enforce the law.

If you are a police chief and have 20 officers. 18 of them issue about 50 tickets a month, but two of them issue 5 or none, who is not doing his job?

Every job has quotas, more specifically productivity requirements to meet. In my broadcasting profession, my job was to get listeners. If I hadn't met my quota, I would have been fired.

If a newspaper carrier delivers only 50 of his 75 papers, he's not doing his job.

If a bulldozer operator moves only part of the dirt, he's gone.

I believe that there is an understandable confusion between quotas and job performance.

What would you think of a cop who sat on the side of the road and watched speeders whiz by and did nothing about it.

One more question. For those who grind an axe about speed enforcement.

At what speed above the limit should a person receive a ticket, or should that decision be left up to the individual driver?

JLK

[GeorgeT]

At what speed above the limit should a person receive a ticket, or should that decision be left up to the individual driver?

JLK

It should be left up to the driver.....no wait.....12 miles over the speed limit....hmmmmmmm maybe........oh forget it I can't decide.

Do whatever you want but be prepared to pay the price and don't complain if you're caught.

[rubicon]

If you are a carpenter, you are expected to build things. If you are a doctor,your job is to treat patients. If you are a dog catcher, your job is to catch dogs. If you are a police officer, your job is to enforce the law.

If you are a police chief and have 20 officers. 18 of them issue about 50 tickets a month, but two of them issue 5 or none, who is not doing his job?

Every job has quotas, more specifically productivity requirements to meet. In my broadcasting profession, my job was to get listeners. If I hadn't met my quota, I would have been fired.

If a newspaper carrier delivers only 50 of his 75 papers, he's not doing his job.

If a bulldozer operator moves only part of the dirt, he's gone.

I believe that there is an understandable confusion between quotas and job performance.

What would you think of a cop who sat on the side of the road and watched speeders whiz by and did nothing about it.

One more question. For those who grind an axe about speed enforcement.

At what speed above the limit should a person receive a ticket, or should that decision be left up to the individual driver?

JLK

Talk Host I agree with the aforementioned but many of the job position you cite may not create a conflict because they have quotas or goals.

Others however do because the goal becomes the goal. I had a New York ropper give me a ticket for going 60 mph in a 55mph. It didn't matter that I was just entering the on ramp and trying to gain enough speed to merge with traffic. the guy sat right there at the underpass waiting. Was this guy ensuring that he made his monthly goal? The insurance company I was with had strict underwriting rules and that one ticket forced me to pay higher premuims I have great respect for the work police do but again there are some guys out there that abuse their powers.. I would accept that in my chosen profession and so why would I accept it with another

[rubicon]

Correction I would not accept that in my profession . so I would not accept thatother professions. this is the very last time ever I will have discussion about the police because I suffer cognitive dissodance.

[downeaster]

The Talk Host explained that revnue from tickets is placed in the general fund. If less are collected the following year it is made up with tax increases. However based on taxpayers experiences over the years it more likely that despite the amount of revenue raised by issuance of tickets its likely they will see a tax increase. What the Talk Host didn't explain is what personal rewards or recognition a police officer is given for meeting departmental goals.Think about this such goals create a conflict of interests.

Another member points out that drivers usually o 5mph or more over the posted limits and so increase the limits they will just exceed that raised posted limit. But my experience after 5 years driving on these roads is that most drivers violate the highways by driving well below the posted limit. the same applies to carts and cartpaths. The fact is you have a great number of drivers of golf carts driving below 16mph.

Another member referenced the number of deaths on the highway but based on long term statistics both deaths and accidents are down despite the country moving from a 55mph speed to 70 mph or more. So you would think that the opposite would be true.

Good point, rubicon. Another study revealed the number of fatalities per mile is greater on secondary roads than limited access highways in spite of higher speed limits on the latter.

My own experience, on a limited access highway, has shown someone in a pickup towing a overloaded trailer travelling at 45MPH creates a greater hazard than a car travelling at 75MPH.

[Talk Host]

I had a New York ropper give me a ticket for going 60 mph in a 55mph. It didn't matter that I was just entering the on ramp and trying to gain enough speed to merge with traffic.

Did you exercise your right to fight this ticket in court?

JLK

[Russ_Boston]

Did you exercise your right to fight this ticket in court?

JLK

That's a great use of someone's time! Just because it can be fought doesn't mean the officer used good judgement in the first place.

[Talk Host]

That's a great use of someone's time! Just because it can be fought doesn't mean the officer used good judgement in the first place.

No, but we have a recourse available to us. If we don't exercise our rights as citizens to defend ourselves, we are fostering the use of bad judgement on the part of a few police officers.

It's the same as complaining publicly about a meal at a restaurant but not discussing it with the manager.

JLK

[mrfixit]

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[NJblue]

No, but we have a recourse available to us. If we don't exercise our rights as citizens to defend ourselves, we are fostering the use of bad judgement on the part of a few police officers.



Sure, that makes a lot of sense to take a day off from work - or more if it is out of state (not to mention the travel costs) just to sit in a courtroom all day for your five minutes of "justice" where it is your word versus the police officer's. Then, when you inevitably lose because the judge has no evidence presented to doubt the officer's testimony, you now get to pay the ticket as well as court costs. Of course, the above scenario is what happens if you are lucky. If the officer doesn't show up for whatever reason, you get to do the whole thing all over again. When it comes to traffic offenses, our judicial system is essentially non-existent.

[Russ_Boston]

No, but we have a recourse available to us. If we don't exercise our rights as citizens to defend ourselves, we are fostering the use of bad judgement on the part of a few police officers.

It's the same as complaining publicly about a meal at a restaurant but not discussing it with the manager.

JLK

Taking 5 min to talk to the manager is not the same as having to take a day off from work (or maybe 1/2 day) to go talk to a judge to tell them why a got a ticket for going 5 mph over. I agree we should do it but too often people can't because the courts have no weekend or evening hours and many people do not have the liberty at their jobs to just take 1/2 day off. I've only received a few tickets in my life but even when I felt I should contest it - it just wasn't worth it from a work standpoint.

[red tail]

when an officer goes to court when a person contests a ticket does he or she get overtime for it?

[skyguy79]

If the officer doesn't show up for whatever reason, you get to do the whole thing all over again. When it comes to traffic offenses, our judicial system is essentially non-existent.If an officer can't appear at the appointed time to defend or prove his charges, then the charges should be dismissed. If they are not dismissed then the court and the judicial system as a whole fails us! The person charged should also be reimbursed for the financial losses imposed on him for his appearance, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen. Expense reimbursement is not a two way street!

[rubicon]

Did you exercise your right to fight this ticket in court?

JLK

Talk Host, YES I hired an attorney because I was assigned a company car and the ticket had an affect on my profession. Before going to court my attorney talk to the judge. the net result was that that since the speed limit was 55mph anything over that was speeding and I would have lost the hearing. My attorney was told by the judge that this particular trooper was ( not his exact words) but a real jerk

[skyguy79]

My attorney was told by the judge that this particular trooper was ( not his exact words) but a real jerkI was once told by a judge (outside of court) that it was his job to protect an individual from this kind of enforcement officer! He used a term a little more tactful than jerk, but his meaning was the same none-the-less!

[NJblue]

I was once told by a judge (outside of court) that it was his job to protect an individual from this kind of enforcement officer! He used a term a little more tactful than jerk, but his meaning was the same none-the-less!

Not all judges are that way - in fact, from my limited experience in a non-criminal courtroom, the judges are the biggest jerks who love to throw their weight around. I once was sent a fine for not renewing my dog's license in time. I knew that I had sent it in on time so I challenged it in court - just for the principle of the matter. After spending all night long waiting for justice to be done, the judge finally called my case. Before doing so, he noted that his docket was filled with people like myself. It became readily apparent that whomever was in charge of processing the dog licenses sat on the applications until after the deadline and then issued summons for all of us. I had my canceled check with the date that I wrote it as proof that it was written well before the deadline. The judge's response to that was I could have put in any date - which is true, but given a courtroom filled with people all taking their time to "get justice", one would have to think that these people may be telling the truth and the township bureaucrat had screwed up. Not this judge - he believed the absent bureaucrat and found us all guilty. As the old saying goes, you can't fight city hall and it is wasted effort to even try.

[skyguy79]

Not all judges are that way - in fact, from my limited experience in a non-criminal courtroom, the judges are the biggest jerks who love to throw their weight around. I once was sent a fine for not renewing my dog's license in time. I knew that I had sent it in on time so I challenged it in court - just for the principle of the matter. After spending all night long waiting for justice to be done, the judge finally called my case. Before doing so, he noted that his docket was filled with people like myself. It became readily apparent that whomever was in charge of processing the dog licenses sat on the applications until after the deadline and then issued summons for all of us. I had my canceled check with the date that I wrote it as proof that it was written well before the deadline. The judge's response to that was I could have put in any date - which is true, but given a courtroom filled with people all taking their time to "get justice", one would have to think that these people may be telling the truth and the township bureaucrat had screwed up. Not this judge - he believed the absent bureaucrat and found us all guilty. As the old saying goes, you can't fight city hall and it is wasted effort to even try.I have to say I was a bit luckier. Once back in the early 70's I appeared before a judge (different one) on a charge of failure to keep right. He permitted me to plea guilty with extenuating circumstances. I won't bother you with the circumstances but I was truthful in my explaination and the judge threw the charge out after hearing it! There are good judges out there there are bad, and making things even worse there are activist judges out there, and that's not good for any of us!

[Figmo Bohica]

How to get out of a speeding ticket.

Lady was pulled over for doing 35 in a 25 MPH zone. When asked if she knew why she was pulled over, she stated to the officer, "Was it the blood dripping from the truck of my car?"

Officer calls for back up, asked to search the car, lady says no way. Officer calls for DA, needs search warrant for car. Hours pass, detectives on scene, DA finally arrives after getting search warrant.

Truck is opened, nothing found.

Lady says, "I thought you stopped me for speeding."

Lady was told, "Sorry for the misunderstanding, please have a nice day."

[ajdeck]

when an officer goes to court when a person contests a ticket does he or she get overtime for it?

Yes, at least in Michigan. Our nephew is a officer and he gets overtime anytime he spends at court.

aj

[anlashokna]

I would personally like to see these cops ticketing speeders in the residential areas...aka down here in Sanibel...and expecially the constructions crews. They speed up and down are road like there is no tomorrow and can't figure out why...they have to stop at the end!! Maybe I'll send the sumter county sherrif a note where to pick up some easy money.

[wilkinsm1]

We saw an officer behind a tree on Buena Vista before Lake Miona...just past the curve where the cars merge. We were coming from mass at ST. Vincent de Paul's....wish he had been there earlier when we were on our way to mass; I almost got run over by a black pickup that was really speeding...seemed like a worker, not a Villager.

[hotrodgirl]

Perhaps it's not so bad in TV? See what we have here in IL now...

All Illinois drivers or those visiting there.

**** *


Illinois will begin using photo radar in freeway work zones starting in July.

Beginning in July the State of Illinois will
use speed cameras in areas designated as 'Work
Zones' on major freeways. Anyone caught by these devices will be mailed a $375.00 ticket for the FIRST offense, but the SECOND offense will cost* $ 1000.00 and comes with a 90-Day suspension.

Drivers will also receive demerit points against their license , which allows insurance companies to raise their rates.

This represents the harshest penalty structure yet for a city or state using PHOTO enforcements. The State will begin with TWO camera vans issuing tickets in work zones with speed limits lowered to 45 MPH.

Photographs
of both the Driver's face and License plate are taken.

Pass this on to everyone you know.

For more info:
http://www.dot.state.il.us/press/r033005.html

[Bogie Shooter]

Perhaps it's not so bad in TV? See what we have here in IL now...

All Illinois drivers or those visiting there.

**** *


Illinois will begin using photo radar in freeway work zones starting in July.

Beginning in July the State of Illinois will
use speed cameras in areas designated as 'Work
Zones' on major freeways. Anyone caught by these devices will be mailed a $375.00 ticket for the FIRST offense, but the SECOND offense will cost* $ 1000.00 and comes with a 90-Day suspension.

Drivers will also receive demerit points against their license , which allows insurance companies to raise their rates.

This represents the harshest penalty structure yet for a city or state using PHOTO enforcements. The State will begin with TWO camera vans issuing tickets in work zones with speed limits lowered to 45 MPH.

Photographs
of both the Driver's face and License plate are taken.

Pass this on to everyone you know.

For more info:
http://www.dot.state.il.us/press/r033005.html

What a great idea. Those workers in those zones need all the protection they can get. Bookem Dano!

[hotrodgirl]

Unfortunately I have to agree with you! Sad that we must resort to such stiff penalties to keep the workers safe, but people can be irresponsible and discourteous drivers by ignoring the safety of others. It should never have come to this, but we have had many, many horrible accidents here. Hopefully this will have an impact, but I shudder to think the only people who will take notice are those who would have done the right thing in the first place!

[rubicon]

Perhaps it's not so bad in TV? See what we have here in IL now...

All Illinois drivers or those visiting there.

**** *


Illinois will begin using photo radar in freeway work zones starting in July.

Beginning in July the State of Illinois will
use speed cameras in areas designated as 'Work
Zones' on major freeways. Anyone caught by these devices will be mailed a $375.00 ticket for the FIRST offense, but the SECOND offense will cost* $ 1000.00 and comes with a 90-Day suspension.

Drivers will also receive demerit points against their license , which allows insurance companies to raise their rates.

This represents the harshest penalty structure yet for a city or state using PHOTO enforcements. The State will begin with TWO camera vans issuing tickets in work zones with speed limits lowered to 45 MPH.

Photographs
of both the Driver's face and License plate are taken.

Pass this on to everyone you know.

For more info:
http://www.dot.state.il.us/press/r033005.html

Shades of Big Brother. it won't be too long before government " for the sake of public safety" will require each vehicle to be equipped with a tracking device so cops don't have to leave their desk in order to issue a ticket. and we will actually have citizens appaulding the governments foresight and effortsGeezzz.
So much for our freedoms.

[rubicon]

To my way of thinking, a speed trap is, in fact, an ongoing, revenue producing, assembly line of handing out tickets to anybody for anything.

However, when chronic speeding is out of control and officers work a specific area, the intent is to save lives. Drivers have criticized speed limits since the beginning of driving. I have never heard of a police officer giving a ticket to somebody who is within the limit. President Ulysses S. Grant was stopped for driving his horse team too fast in Washington. When the cop saw who it was, he said, "I'm sorry Mr. President." Grant said to the officer, "Do your duty man."

In so far as revenue generation goes, traffic citation income is actually a line item in post municipal budgets. The amount is based on an average of revenue from years past. In all the years I have been around police, government, and media, I have never once heard an official say, "get out there and hand out tickets to generate revenue."

What are quotas? Each officer is expected to preform as least as others on the department. Like any business. In manufacturing, if most workers produce 60 widgets a day, but two guys only produce 45, they are goofing off, or incompetent. If 55 sheriff's deputies each hand out an average of 60 tickets a month, but two only hand out 40, they are goofing off or incompetent.

Quotas IMHO create a conflict of interest.

[Bogie Shooter]

Shades of Big Brother. it won't be too long before government " for the sake of public safety" will require each vehicle to be equipped with a tracking device so cops don't have to leave their desk in order to issue a ticket. and we will actually have citizens appaulding the governments foresight and effortsGeezzz.
So much for our freedoms.

Driving 65 MPH thru a work zone is not a freedom!

[lynl6]

I hope you are not one of the many who complains about speeders in The Villages. There is no reason to speed unless you are late for a tee time. This is a community of retirees. SLOW DOWN and enjoy life!!!

[Irishmen]

Last week, a State Trooper was in the turn lane to Bridgeport South of Palmer with a hand held laser just pulling people left and right commercial and resident vehicles.

[GolfandSun]

I agree with u on the low speed limits for some areas. Some people just refuse to go over 15 -20mph no matter what the postings? This seems to be more hazardous because people end up in long lines at the roundabouts and they are so confused about which lane they should use to do what in? I appreciate your advice and caution on enforcement. I will be one to look for this.

[paulandjean]

Yes there are many many many sllloooowwww drivers in the villages also. They become a hazard to many.All I can say is get out of my way.

[ajbrown]

I have no problem if TV developed a reputation like 301 in north FL, e.g. Waldo or Lawtey. I would love people to be aware, if you wish to cut through TV, be CAREFUL, you will get a ticket.

In fact TV would be much more fair than those 301 towns, not roads that go from 65-55-40-35, then a speed trap. The speed limits stay consistent per road here.

I am not a saint, I have sped before and likely will again, but I have no problem with TV being known as a place to be really careful when driving through...... :police:

[rubicon]

Driving 65 MPH thru a work zone is not a freedom!

Hi Bogie Shooter: In that I agree...work zone can be hazardous... but my reference is intended to cover the the driver going 40 mph in the left hand lane on interstates or the guy trying to maintain a 25mph on Morse. Heck most cars can maintain that speed with the driver's foot off the accelerator.

Succintly stated I believe highway officers reduce their public relations element when they establish speed traps and quotas, especially when they themselves are caught speeding DUI, etc. In othewrwords its the hypocrisy of it that grabs me. But I understand it and abide by the rules of the road.

[rp001]

I believe there is ample work in this area to keep our ministers of law and order busy..Look at the arrest records and there seems to be a large contingent of meth users and petty theives immediately surrounding our wonderful world, Wildwood and Fruitland Park and Belleview.

Perhaps the officers would be better suited tending to real crime prevention than ticketing little old ladies on Buena Vista en masse...I know we are looked upon by some of the locals in disdain and are perceived as rich..Look at the median income for the tri county area for a family of four..We are in effect the cash cows for Sumter, and Northern Lake county...

[Shimpy]

I stay away from areas that have speed traps such as Fruitland Park. They lose my dollars that I'd spend in restaurants, shops, etc. because of their over strict policies. I've heard of people getting tickets for going 2 mph over the limit. Thats within speedometer error tolerance and is ridiculous. Until the merchants complain and their policies change, then I'm staying away.
I read a very good article about some communities around the country shortening the yellow lights time in order to give tickets for running red lights. The average time for a yellow light is around 4.3 seconds. One community in California, (Union City) shortened the time by 1.3 seconds under state law. After getting caught they had to refund more than $1 million in fines. This shows me these law enforcement efforts are not for safety, but for revenue. These are pet peeves of mine. They build a divided 4 lane highway and put a 35mph speed limit on it. How ridiculous is that?

[Bogie Shooter]

I woud like to see a good definition of "speed trap".

[rubicon]

I woud like to see a good definition of "speed trap".

Its like the supreme court Justice said about pornography "I can't describe it but I know when I see it." (paraphrase). Weel same goes for speed traps

[Indydealmaker]

I have no problem if TV developed a reputation like 301 in north FL, e.g. Waldo or Lawtey. I would love people to be aware, if you wish to cut through TV, be CAREFUL, you will get a ticket.

In fact TV would be much more fair than those 301 towns, not roads that go from 65-55-40-35, then a speed trap. The speed limits stay consistent per road here.

I am not a saint, I have sped before and likely will again, but I have no problem with TV being known as a place to be really careful when driving through...... :police:

:BigApplause:

[Indydealmaker]

I believe there is ample work in this area to keep our ministers of law and order busy..Look at the arrest records and there seems to be a large contingent of meth users and petty theives immediately surrounding our wonderful world, Wildwood and Fruitland Park and Belleview.

Perhaps the officers would be better suited tending to real crime prevention than ticketing little old ladies on Buena Vista en masse...I know we are looked upon by some of the locals in disdain and are perceived as rich..Look at the median income for the tri county area for a family of four..We are in effect the cash cows for Sumter, and Northern Lake county...

The only way that your statement can be true is if you acknowledge that Villagers must first be law-breakers before they can be cash cows. This is really a "non-issue" if you simply slow down!

[Russ_Boston]

I stay away from areas that have speed traps such as Fruitland Park. They lose my dollars that I'd spend in restaurants, shops, etc. because of their over strict policies. I've heard of people getting tickets for going 2 mph over the limit. Thats within speedometer error tolerance and is ridiculous. Until the merchants complain and their policies change, then I'm staying away.
I read a very good article about some communities around the country shortening the yellow lights time in order to give tickets for running red lights. The average time for a yellow light is around 4.3 seconds. One community in California, (Union City) shortened the time by 1.3 seconds under state law. After getting caught they had to refund more than $1 million in fines. This shows me these law enforcement efforts are not for safety, but for revenue. These are pet peeves of mine. They build a divided 4 lane highway and put a 35mph speed limit on it. How ridiculous is that?

Yellow lights are supposed to be timed by the speed of the road going into the light. I.e. you can't set a light on a 50 mph road the same as you can at a 25 mph road. I don't know the exact calculations but I think that is how they do it.

[Posh 08]

LEOs don't have ticket quotas. Their bosses get complaints about speeders in certain areas. They get told to set up there. They watch their devices, you get their attention, you get pulled over. Press hard, 5 copies. Have a nice day.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

I woud like to see a good definition of "speed trap".

Setting aside any dictionary-type definitions, here are a few interesting perspectives from the law enforcement side of things:

How do YOU define "speed trap?" (http://forums.officer.com/t69543/)

Bill :)

[rp001]

I'm not buying that about the "complaints" being the primary reason for the generation of revenue production within this community...Annnnd even though leo's don't exactly have ticket quotas, they are judged by their bosses and peers by their "production" rate..This I know for a fact..My family has been in the law enforcement buisness for over 30 yrs...In south Florida..Being pulled over and ticketed for a very few miles over is just petty and we don't have rampant speeders around here..They are few and far between. And there is ample crime,of a far more serious nature within Sumter county to keep our finest busy...

[billethkid]

please don't try to compare the rate of crime to the rate of traffic violations in TV.

The crime rate would be a 1 on a scale of 10 and traffic violations would be a 37 on a scale of 10!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have said it before and I will say it again, they should put as many cops out on the road as it will take to get the traffic violations as low as possible and TV gets a reputation for being a speed trap area like the ones we all know so well and we do slow down for (right?).

Book 'em Danno!!

btk

[buggyone]

please don't try to compare the rate of crime to the rate of traffic violations in TV.

The crime rate would be a 1 on a scale of 10 and traffic violations would be a 37 on a scale of 10!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have said it before and I will say it again, they should put as many cops out on the road as it will take to get the traffic violations as low as possible and TV gets a reputation for being a speed trap area like the ones we all know so well and we do slow down for (right?).

Book 'em Danno!!

btk

100% agree with you.

[PaPaLarry]

:agree:The only way that your statement can be true is if you acknowledge that Villagers must first be law-breakers before they can be cash cows. This is really a "non-issue" if you simply slow down!

[graciegirl]

please don't try to compare the rate of crime to the rate of traffic violations in TV.

The crime rate would be a 1 on a scale of 10 and traffic violations would be a 37 on a scale of 10!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have said it before and I will say it again, they should put as many cops out on the road as it will take to get the traffic violations as low as possible and TV gets a reputation for being a speed trap area like the ones we all know so well and we do slow down for (right?).

Book 'em Danno!!

btk

Yep. You are right.

[The Shadow]

I'm not buying that about the "complaints" being the primary reason for the generation of revenue production within this community...Annnnd even though leo's don't exactly have ticket quotas, they are judged by their bosses and peers by their "production" rate..This I know for a fact..My family has been in the law enforcement buisness for over 30 yrs...In south Florida..Being pulled over and ticketed for a very few miles over is just petty and we don't have rampant speeders around here..They are few and far between. And there is ample crime,of a far more serious nature within Sumter county to keep our finest busy...
Do we really need the police patrolling for speeders?????????

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[Posh 08]

please don't try to compare the rate of crime to the rate of traffic violations in TV.

The crime rate would be a 1 on a scale of 10 and traffic violations would be a 37 on a scale of 10!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have said it before and I will say it again, they should put as many cops out on the road as it will take to get the traffic violations as low as possible and TV gets a reputation for being a speed trap area like the ones we all know so well and we do slow down for (right?).

Book 'em Danno!!

btk

:agree:

[rp001]

The comparison is valid...It shows the emphasis being placed on the innocent seniors instead of the wrongdoers..We are an easy taget..And remain the cash cows for Sumter county....

[dillywho]

The comparison is valid...It shows the emphasis being placed on the innocent seniors instead of the wrongdoers..We are an easy taget..And remain the cash cows for Sumter county....

No brainer....seniors or otherwise...no violations (including speeding) = no tickets and no "cash cow". Traffic rules are for safety, including any and everyone, not as revenue generators. Traffic violations are "wrong-doings".

[The Shadow]

The comparison is valid...It shows the emphasis being placed on the innocent seniors instead of the wrongdoers..We are an easy taget..And remain the cash cows for Sumter county....

�innocent seniors� what is that, is it a senior that is NOT speeding and gets a ticket???

�wrongdoers� what is that, is it a senior that is speeding and gets a ticket???

�easy target� what is that, is it a senior that is speeding and stops to except a ticket rather that trying to elude the police by cutting across a golf course.

�cash cows� that would be old enough to know better but to young to resist.

�Village Life Style� does not mean you are free to do as you please even if you think that is what you paid for.

[rp001]

It is obvious to this reader that Sumter's Finest are well represented here..I've seen this topic come up before and there are a few die hard supporters of looting the cash cow...Makes Police work and revenue collection very easy...Folks justify the police presence by the law being on their side, however the presence is just taking away from the real problems..If there had been Moving Patrols at 2 am maybe those youngsters would have been pulled over before the accident..It's much easier to ticket during the day from a stationary place those that miss the speed limit by 5 mph...Makes all the economic sense in the world..I guess I don't understand "priorities" very well..Common sense does not prevail..

[The Shadow]

It is obvious to this reader that Sumter's Finest are well represented here..I've seen this topic come up before and there are a few die hard supporters of looting the cash cow...Makes Police work and revenue collection very easy...Folks justify the police presence by the law being on their side, however the presence is just taking away from the real problems..If there had been Moving Patrols at 2 am maybe those youngsters would have been pulled over before the accident..It's much easier to ticket during the day from a stationary place those that miss the speed limit by 5 mph...Makes all the economic sense in the world..I guess I don't understand "priorities" very well..Common sense does not prevail..

Good point it�s the cops fault.

And we all know the posted speed limit is only a suggestion.

[graciegirl]

It is obvious to this reader that Sumter's Finest are well represented here..I've seen this topic come up before and there are a few die hard supporters of looting the cash cow...Makes Police work and revenue collection very easy...Folks justify the police presence by the law being on their side, however the presence is just taking away from the real problems..If there had been Moving Patrols at 2 am maybe those youngsters would have been pulled over before the accident..It's much easier to ticket during the day from a stationary place those that miss the speed limit by 5 mph...Makes all the economic sense in the world..I guess I don't understand "priorities" very well..Common sense does not prevail..
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Um....once a year or so ago we had our grandson visiting who had an Asthma attack in the middle of the night so we were out driving to The Villages hospital about two or three in the morning. We were the ONLY person on the roads.

Most of us retire early here and to say there isn't much traffic in the dead of night is an understatement.

It may be that " moving patrols" would have stopped and ticketed them...but I am sadly thinking it wouldn't have stopped the behavior that led to this tragic accident.

[gvsulakerfan]

you're right. if only they stopped catching the speeders we would be able to start 45 more threads on:

car vs cart accidents
car vs bike accidents
people driving through the vegetation on roundabouts
etc etc

[Here2Stay]

There is a reason why they call it "Speed Limit" Happy Spending for those who do not understand the concept!:o

[Bogie Shooter]

It is obvious to this reader that Sumter's Finest are well represented here..I've seen this topic come up before and there are a few die hard supporters of looting the cash cow...Makes Police work and revenue collection very easy...Folks justify the police presence by the law being on their side, however the presence is just taking away from the real problems..If there had been Moving Patrols at 2 am maybe those youngsters would have been pulled over before the accident..It's much easier to ticket during the day from a stationary place those that miss the speed limit by 5 mph...Makes all the economic sense in the world..I guess I don't understand "priorities" very well..Common sense does not prevail..

I think a majority believe the laws should be enforced.

[Mikeod]

The comparison is valid...It shows the emphasis being placed on the innocent seniors instead of the wrongdoers..We are an easy taget..And remain the cash cows for Sumter county....
A quick review of county documents shows total revenues of over $158 million. Now how important do you really think the revenue from speeding tickets is to the county that they would emphasize traffic fines over other law enforcement functions? And no, I don't work for the sheriff, nor have ever been in law enforcement. But I will admit to being a commanding officer of several units in the Navy, so I have a very good sense of right and wrong. There are laws, rules, and regulations. Violate them at your own risk. Don't whine or blame the enforcer of those regulations when you get caught.

If you bring the attitude that all speed limits have a +5MPH leeway built in, the sheriff has a ticket with your name on it.

[graciegirl]

I think a majority believe the laws should be enforced.

I hope so.

[Raymond]

It is obvious to this reader that Sumter's Finest are well represented here..
Sure, they protecting us from dangerous speeders!

Makes Police work and revenue collection very easy...
Better revenue from violators rather than raising taxes

Folks justify the police presence by the law being on their side
The law are on their side.....

however the presence is just taking away from the real problems.Speeders are the real problem and law enforcement address the problem.

If there had been Moving Patrols at 2 am maybe those youngsters would have been pulled overSo, they do not stop youngsters speeding at 2 am?

It's much easier to ticket during the day from a stationary place those that miss the speed limit by 5 mph..No one get a citation for 5 mph over (FL statutes), except in school zones.
I guess I don't understand "priorities" very well.
Yes.

[Indydealmaker]

I believe there is ample work in this area to keep our ministers of law and order busy..Look at the arrest records and there seems to be a large contingent of meth users and petty theives immediately surrounding our wonderful world, Wildwood and Fruitland Park and Belleview.

Perhaps the officers would be better suited tending to real crime prevention than ticketing little old ladies on Buena Vista en masse...I know we are looked upon by some of the locals in disdain and are perceived as rich..Look at the median income for the tri county area for a family of four..We are in effect the cash cows for Sumter, and Northern Lake county...

Under our current system of laws, there is very little "crime prevention" that law enforcement can accomplish without a cop on every street corner. Police catch criminals after the fact.

The very fact that police are very visible in catching speeders proves the theory that cops are not able to prevent crime. One would expect that the visible punishment would be a deterrent. Obviously, it is not.

[Biancarose]

Everyday on Rio Grande and Chula Vista Ave the police are giving tickets for speeding.

[gerryann]

Great! Wanna get those speeders off the road. :)

[nitehawk]

:bigbow: yes yes yes

[cquick]

those places you mentioned in your first post are where there are many speeders, all the time. I usually go right about 35 mph, and if someone is also going 35 mph in the other lane, the people behind are very frustrated!. I try to stay in the right hand lane, so they can all go around me. I have noticed how easy it is to have my speed creep up as I go up the long stretch from 466A to the first round about.
:laugh:

[cquick]

You have missed my point - which is that driving 45 on 4-lane divided highways is still a very safe speed. Just because some arbitrary decision was made to post the speed limit at 35 does not mean that the road is unsafe to be driven at any higher speed. Following your logic, all of the other 4-lane divided highways around the country where people are driving the speed limit are all driving unsafely since the speed limits are above 35.

Higher speeds are not by themselves unsafe. What is unsafe is driving above the speed that is warranted for the road and the conditions. In the case of Morse and Buena Vista south of 466, they can easily accomodate safe driving at 45 MPH.

Lest you misunderstand me even more, I am not advocating breaking the law - just questioning the rationale of the law.

I don't like the idea of raising the speed limit on the roads in TV...even the boulevards is because we are in a town, not out on a highway. There are many turns along all those roads to go into neighborhoods, golf clubs, rec centers. This is where we live. Morse and Buena Vista Blvds south of 466 are in a town, not in the countryside.

[billethkid]

first of all raising the speed limit will in no way solve the problem. It will accomplish raising the overall speed. It will not stop folks from going over the speed limit. A perfect example? In west TX on I-10 a few years back they raised the speed limit to 80!!!! The hope was to reduce the speed violations. Effect? Average speeds were approaching 90+......citations issued were going up compared to previous speed limits.

This is a retirement community. The existing speed limits are just fine.

The sheriff's office should have a squad that is dedicated to 100% traffic/safety/speed control. Their goal would be to enforce moving traffic safety laws. Their budget would be easy...it would be self funding.

I also think they should put an escalator on the fines....having them go up a minimum of 25% every time one is cited.

In addition I would personally love to see FL enact citizen's arrests....not really taking one into custody but being able to report a moving violation to the police.....the one reporting the violation would have to appear at the hearings for the violations just like police do today.
The problem that would be created is there are so many violators in TV the system would be overwhelmed.

I am all for what ever increased coverage and number of citations issed it takes to get the message across.

We all are familiar with those little towns across America that have reputations for speed traps and that "nasty cop" that will get you if you go one mile more.....that is the reputation we need TV to have.

Go get 'em Danno!!!

btk

[Mickedamouse24]

:ohdear: Why can't people just slow down, enjoy the life we have here and quit complaining about everything? Best way to not get a ticket is to follow posted speed limits and/or other directions and you don't have to worry or be concerned! Where are you going in such a hurry here in TV? If you're running late, maybe you should have started earlier!!! Don't blame LEO's for your problems! They are hired to do a job and have no control over what laws are in the books. But, they do have control over enforcing them..! While we're talking traffic violations...! How about some of you folks start stopping at the many stop signs around TV...!!! No rolling stops, complete stops...! Unreal!!! Slow Down!!! It will be there when you get there!;)

[downeaster]

Buena Vista may be a "four lane divided highway". It has four lanes and divided and I suppose, technically, it is a highway. However, in its approximately 10 miles of meandering it has 14 roundabouts and 10 other intersections. There are some "line of sight" problems as well. I am not a traffic engineer but I certainly hope the speed limit remains at 35MPH. There are far too many people driving 45MPH on it now. If the limit were 45MPH then there would be those who would drive 55MPH.

There may be some sections where it is safe to exceed 35MPH but it seems impractical to have numerous and varying speed limits.

[graciegirl]

first of all raising the speed limit will in no way solve the problem. It will accomplish raising the overall speed. It will not stop folks from going over the speed limit. A perfect example? In west TX on I-10 a few years back they raised the speed limit to 80!!!! The hope was to reduce the speed violations. Effect? Average speeds were approaching 90+......citations issued were going up compared to previous speed limits.

This is a retirement community. The existing speed limits are just fine.

The sheriff's office should have a squad that is dedicated to 100% traffic/safety/speed control. Their goal would be to enforce moving traffic safety laws. Their budget would be easy...it would be self funding.

I also think they should put an escalator on the fines....having them go up a minimum of 25% every time one is cited.

In addition I would personally love to see FL enact citizen's arrests....not really taking one into custody but being able to report a moving violation to the police.....the one reporting the violation would have to appear at the hearings for the violations just like police do today.
The problem that would be created is there are so many violators in TV the system would be overwhelmed.

I am all for what ever increased coverage and number of citations issed it takes to get the message across.

We all are familiar with those little towns across America that have reputations for speed traps and that "nasty cop" that will get you if you go one mile more.....that is the reputation we need TV to have.

Go get 'em Danno!!!

btk


I so agree. :agree: on ALMOST every point you made, Billy. Not sure about citizen's arrest ;)

Some people think that rules and traffic limits and signs are just suggestions. Slowing down is a small price to pay for keeping everyone safer.

Some people view all law enforcement as a huge inconvenience and all law enforcers as the bad guys.

Not me. Have had a lot of great cops in my family.

[Barefoot]

:ohdear: Why can't people just slow down, enjoy the life we have here and quit complaining about everything? Best way to not get a ticket is to follow posted speed limits and/or other directions and you don't have to worry or be concerned! Where are you going in such a hurry here in TV? If you're running late, maybe you should have started earlier!!! Don't blame LEO's for your problems! They are hired to do a job and have no control over what laws are in the books. But, they do have control over enforcing them..! While we're talking traffic violations...! How about some of you folks start stopping at the many stop signs around TV...!!! No rolling stops, complete stops...! Unreal!!! Slow Down!!! It will be there when you get there!;)

...

[Penguin]

:ohdear: Why can't people just slow down, enjoy the life we have here and quit complaining about everything? Best way to not get a ticket is to follow posted speed limits and/or other directions and you don't have to worry or be concerned! Where are you going in such a hurry here in TV? If you're running late, maybe you should have started earlier!!! Don't blame LEO's for your problems! They are hired to do a job and have no control over what laws are in the books. But, they do have control over enforcing them..! While we're talking traffic violations...! How about some of you folks start stopping at the many stop signs around TV...!!! No rolling stops, complete stops...! Unreal!!! Slow Down!!! It will be there when you get there!;)

I'm with you Mick, here in the Chicago area the speed limit is normally 55. I can drive 70 and get passed all the time by people giving me a dirty look. I'm all for speed traps. If the authorities cracked down on speeders, each state could be out of debt in a very short time. Sorry but I hate speeders.

[buggyone]

I'm with you Mick, here in the Chicago area the speed limit is normally 55. I can drive 70 and get passed all the time by people giving me a dirty look. I'm all for speed traps. If the authorities cracked down on speeders, each state could be out of debt in a very short time. Sorry but I hate speeders.

For the people that say they are all for speed traps, I would disagree. There is nothing wrong with police enforcing the speed limit within reason but to pull cars over for a $200 ticket for going a couple miles per hour over the limit is ridiculous.

IF that started in The Villages, the citizens here would really be upset at having to pay tickets for very minor over-the-limits.

I certainly do endorse giving speeding tickets to both citizens and workers/contractors for blatant speeding in their cars - as well as to the golf cart drivers who are going over the 20 mph limit.

[jtdraig]

My suggestion is that when you see or even know there is a school zone to pay attention and slow down to at or below the limit. There is no mercy for speeding in a school zone nor should there be. Tickets here are cheap compared to Arizona where the limit is 15 and God help you if you got a ticket. Judges aren't kind to people who have a school zone violation on their records nor are Insurance Companies. For the debaters out there, I don't care. Just slow down and behave in School Zones.

[paulandjean]

first of all raising the speed limit will in no way solve the problem. It will accomplish raising the overall speed. It will not stop folks from going over the speed limit. A perfect example? In west TX on I-10 a few years back they raised the speed limit to 80!!!! The hope was to reduce the speed violations. Effect? Average speeds were approaching 90+......citations issued were going up compared to previous speed limits.

This is a retirement community. The existing speed limits are just fine.

The sheriff's office should have a squad that is dedicated to 100% traffic/safety/speed control. Their goal would be to enforce moving traffic safety laws. Their budget would be easy...it would be self funding.

I also think they should put an escalator on the fines....having them go up a minimum of 25% every time one is cited.

In addition I would personally love to see FL enact citizen's arrests....not really taking one into custody but being able to report a moving violation to the police.....the one reporting the violation would have to appear at the hearings for the violations just like police do today.
The problem that would be created is there are so many violators in TV the system would be overwhelmed.

I am all for what ever increased coverage and number of citations issed it takes to get the message across.

We all are familiar with those little towns across America that have reputations for speed traps and that "nasty cop" that will get you if you go one mile more.....that is the reputation we need TV to have.

Go get 'em Danno!!!

btk Do not think having a reputation for speed traps and "nasty cops" is what we need in the villages.Think everything is fine the way it is. I do not see speeding going on, I see to many people driving slow as a problem. Anybody use a turn signal here

[buggyone]

Do not think having a reputation for speed traps and "nasty cops" is what we need in the villages.Think everything is fine the way it is. I do not see speeding going on, I see to many people driving slow as a problem. Anybody use a turn signal here

I agree that a reputation of being a speed trap would not be good for The Villages.

However, "too many people driving slow as a problem" puzzles me. Speed limit on 466 is 45 mph. Morse and Buena Vista are 35 mph. Most other streets are 20, 25, and 30 mph. Golf cart speed limit on streets is 20 mph unless you are street legal and then it is 25 mph.

You can get anywhere in The Villages in a short amount of time. Go the speed limit and be happy.

[dsned]

How do the blue lights on top of the traffic light work?

[Penguin]

For the people that say they are all for speed traps, I would disagree. There is nothing wrong with police enforcing the speed limit within reason but to pull cars over for a $200 ticket for going a couple miles per hour over the limit is ridiculous.

IF that started in The Villages, the citizens here would really be upset at having to pay tickets for very minor over-the-limits.

I certainly do endorse giving speeding tickets to both citizens and workers/contractors for blatant speeding in their cars - as well as to the golf cart drivers who are going over the 20 mph limit.

Here we go again, your statement is contradictory. Its ok to give tickets for blatant speeding but not for going a couple miles over the speed limit. Speeding is speeding but would agree that a couple miles over the posted speed limit is a little much. I dont think that many officers would give a ticket for 5mph over. If you notice someone speeding I bet their going faster than 5 mph over the posted limit.

[Bogie Shooter]

180 posts no conclusion......"time for a new thread????

[paulandjean]

How do the blue lights on top of the traffic light work?

At a traffic light,I only see green,yellow,red.Maybe I have been missing the blue light thats why everyone is honking..........

[dsned]

They are up by Lopez right now