Right of Way?

[aninjamom]

I am seeking wisdom from the pundits on here:
Twice I have turned into a clear RIGHT-hand lane in a round-about, intending to turn right again out of it, and been honked at by someone coming around in the LEFT-hand lane. Apparently they were one of those people that like to cut straight across both lanes in the round-about, and got upset because I got in their way. I am aware that a car in the round-about has right of way, but I don't think cutting across lanes is legal or acceptable. Am I right?

[aninjamom]

I should add that I turn carefully, and ahead of them. I'm not cutting in front of them, they are in the OTHER lane! The only reason I can imagine them honking is because they wanted to cut over.

[golfing eagles]

Doesn't matter if the other driver intended to cut across both lanes (your assumption) or not. You should not enter a RB when a car is coming in EITHER lane. How is the other driver to know whether YOU intend to make an immediate right or are going to go across 180 degrees and cut right in front of him? Cars entering the RB when another car is coming (in either lane), as well as riding along side another vehicle in a RB, is probably the #1 cause of RB accidents.

[villagetinker]

I am seeking wisdom from the pundits on here:
Twice I have turned into a clear RIGHT-hand lane in a round-about, intending to turn right again out of it, and been honked at by someone coming around in the LEFT-hand lane. Apparently they were one of those people that like to cut straight across both lanes in the round-about, and got upset because I got in their way. I am aware that a car in the round-about has right of way, but I don't think cutting across lanes is legal or acceptable. Am I right?

Please review the document on roundabouts, you will see if the other person entered the roundabout 3/4 of the way around, they are supposed to be in the LEFT lane, and EXIT from the LEFT lane. Here is the link, for the VCDD site, the reference to the roundabout document is about half way down the page, I will also try to past the PDF here.
Did You Know (http://www.districtgov.org/community/DidYouKnow.aspx)

[Sandtrap328]

My guess is that the other cars honked at you to let you know they were going to get out of the circle at the same outlet as you but in the left lane. They did not want you to continue in the right lane past the next exit and into the side of their car.

In other words, it was a precautionary honk on their part.

[Bogie Shooter]

I am seeking wisdom from the pundits on here:
Twice I have turned into a clear RIGHT-hand lane in a round-about, intending to turn right again out of it, and been honked at by someone coming around in the LEFT-hand lane. Apparently they were one of those people that like to cut straight across both lanes in the round-about, and got upset because I got in their way. I am aware that a car in the round-about has right of way, but I don't think cutting across lanes is legal or acceptable. Am I right?

If you don't get your answer on this thread, you could try these with over 100 Expert Opinions.
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/turn-signals-round-bouts-229564/?highlight=roundabout

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/stop-youre-going-get-yourself-others-killed-injured-224968/?highlight=roundabout

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/official-roundabout-rules-link-219894/?highlight=roundabout

[autumnspring]

I am seeking wisdom from the pundits on here:
Twice I have turned into a clear RIGHT-hand lane in a round-about, intending to turn right again out of it, and been honked at by someone coming around in the LEFT-hand lane. Apparently they were one of those people that like to cut straight across both lanes in the round-about, and got upset because I got in their way. I am aware that a car in the round-about has right of way, but I don't think cutting across lanes is legal or acceptable. Am I right?

It is or should be clear to all that the round abouts are DANGEROUS.

If, you read the rules, you will find that it is legal to make a right hand turn from the left lane. LEGAL IS NOT ALWAYS SANE.

Use of turn signals. WOW. It is rare to see any of you use turn signals. I've seen people turn on turn signals after they have already changed lanes-HUH?

The OP-I of course did not see it BUT, if I understand what you did there was a car in the left lane of the round about and you decided to enter the round about entering in the right lane. YOU ARE WRONG. IT IS SIMPLY NOT A SAFE ACTION. You likely had your car go into the left lane as you made your turn. IF, you did not the driver in the left lane SHOULD have assumed there was a good chance you would cross into his lane.

[VillagerNut]

Villagertinker has it correct! If you are going more than halfway around you have to be in the left-hand lane and exit in the left-hand lane. If you're going halfway around you can be in either lane and exit from either lane. If you're going one fourth of the way around, I highly suggest you be in the right lane. The other rule is to know not everybody knows the rules of the roundabout so watch over your shoulder and your mirror!

[rustyp]

I am seeking wisdom from the pundits on here:
Twice I have turned into a clear RIGHT-hand lane in a round-about, intending to turn right again out of it, and been honked at by someone coming around in the LEFT-hand lane. Apparently they were one of those people that like to cut straight across both lanes in the round-about, and got upset because I got in their way. I am aware that a car in the round-about has right of way, but I don't think cutting across lanes is legal or acceptable. Am I right?

You are very very wrong. That person was trying to exit where you tried entering. You are not to change lanes after entering a roundabout. Right lane exits at 90 or 180 degrees. Left lane exits at 180 or 270 degrees. Thus that person must have entered 180 or 270 degrees before exiting and had the right of way in the left lane.

[Hancle704]

Some things are certain, it never is a bad idea to use directional signals to alert all lane users and cars entering of intention to exit. secondly is to never assume that other drivers have a clue about what they are doing in right lane of roundabout or that entering driver will yield to cars already in the roundabout. Forget about having the right of way, because that can lead to accidents.

[Carla B]

You are very very wrong. That person was trying to exit where you tried entering. You are not to change lanes after entering a roundabout. Right lane exits at 90 or 180 degrees. Left lane exits at 180 or 270 degrees. Thus that person must have entered 180 or 270 degrees before exiting and had the right of way in the left lane.

Exactly. Otherwise, how is a driver in the left-hand lane ever going to exit, or are they condemned to keep going 'round and 'round.

[Steve9930]

RBs are being put in all over the country. I personally do no like them but no one asked me. I proceed with caution, use my turn signal, slow down, and assume the other driver has no idea of the rules in an RB. I'm always aware of where the cars are around me in an RB.

[ColdNoMore]

Single lane roundabouts mitigate a lot (not all)... of the issues/confusion I see every day.

It wouldn't hurt my feelings at all, if more were converted (by lane markings) to become single lane. :shrug:

Especially given that the two-lane roundabout info signs up around Lopez on BV, are different than the ones further south on BV. :oops:

[Miles42]

All I can say is be careful as there are a lot of people that think it is ok to make a right hand turn from the left lane. You cant fix stupid.

[adk77]

Ok, I'm thinking you were at the yield sign and did not completely yield. So the guy honked in annoyance. ??

[BobnBev]

Exactly. Otherwise, how is a driver in the left-hand lane ever going to exit, or are they condemned to keep going 'round and 'round.

Sounds like poor Charlie on the MTA:shrug:

[Sandtrap328]

Washington, DC has lots of roundabouts called "circles". Most have 4 lanes in them.

It is always funny to see tourists navigate the circles - especially if they accidentally get in the inside lane.

Rumor has it that a tourist has been stuck in the inside lane of Dupont Circle just going around and around since the Bicentennial. :shrug:

[BobnBev]

Ask 100 people, get 100 different answers.

Time to start a "dog poop" thread.:pepper2::pepper2::pepper2:

[Polar Bear]

All the details discussed here are valid considerations for safety, but actually unnecessary to consider the situation proposed in the op...

When approaching a roundabout, you must yield to both lanes in the roundabout. It doesn't matter where you or they are going. You must simply yield...wait for them to pass before you proceed.

[CWGUY]

It is or should be clear to all that the round abouts are DANGEROUS.

If, you read the rules, you will find that it is legal to make a right hand turn from the left lane. LEGAL IS NOT ALWAYS SANE.

Use of turn signals. WOW. It is rare to see any of you use turn signals. I've seen people turn on turn signals after they have already changed lanes-HUH?

The OP-I of course did not see it BUT, if I understand what you did there was a car in the left lane of the round about and you decided to enter the round about entering in the right lane. YOU ARE WRONG. IT IS SIMPLY NOT A SAFE ACTION. You likely had your car go into the left lane as you made your turn. IF, you did not the driver in the left lane SHOULD have assumed there was a good chance you would cross into his lane.

IMHO you are incorrect on this.... it's NOT the roundabouts that are dangerous.... it's the DRIVERS!;)

[zonerboy]

Do not worry so much about what is "legal" or "illegal". Or about who has the "right of way". Just follow the safest course: yield to vehicles already in the round about, no matter which lane they are in. That way you won't get in an accident and won't have to worry about legalities. Driving this way would only cost you 5 to 10 seconds.
I agree with Polar Bear.

[DARFAP]

Doesn't matter if the other driver intended to cut across both lanes (your assumption) or not. You should not enter a RB when a car is coming in EITHER lane. How is the other driver to know whether YOU intend to make an immediate right or are going to go across 180 degrees and cut right in front of him? Cars entering the RB when another car is coming (in either lane), as well as riding along side another vehicle in a RB, is probably the #1 cause of RB accidents.
Agree. They most likely honk because they are trying to exit at the same one you are. Use turn signals to signal your exit.

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[pqrstar]

I should add that I turn carefully, and ahead of them. I'm not cutting in front of them, they are in the OTHER lane! The only reason I can imagine them honking is because they wanted to cut over.

When entering a round-a-bout you must YIELD to BOTH LANES in the roundabout


If you are entering when another car is coming around the inside lane to exit the next exit past your entrance, that car DOES NOT KNOW that you plan to exit that same exit or whether you plan to continue around.

please do not try to rush in front of them, even if you THINK you will not be interfering with their exit.

Again, they probably would not be able to MIND READ your intent and have to brake inside the circle until they see where you actually PLAN to exit.

[autumnspring]

All I can say is be careful as there are a lot of people that think it is ok to make a right hand turn from the left lane. You cant fix stupid.

As I said in a previous post, it is in fact legal, in the round about to make a right hand turn from the left hand lane.

I think we agree that legal does not make it smart.

You perhaps can't fix stupid but you can refuse to add to it.

I for example refuse to drive alongside anyone. To avoid that might require speeding up, slowing down, or changing lanes. YOU SHOULD ALWAYS KNOW YOUR WAY OUT IF YOU NEED TO AVOID STUPID AND NEXT TO ANOTHER CAR YOU ARE BOXED IN..

As I read some of these replies I am reminded of the scene from the movie,"Those Magnificent Men and Their Flying Machines." In one scene one of the racers is reading a manual on how to fly while he is flying.

Clearly, it is unsafe to assume drivers around you, know how to drive, are paying attention.

[Flatlander]

Driving in roundabouts can be confusing, especially if you don't encounter then often. Traffic movement in all of the roundabouts that I've encountered in The Villages are controlled by "Official Traffic Control Devices", which include signs posted at the approach and lane markings. If you are involved in a collision in a roundabout you may be issued a citation if you did not follow those directions. What you think is OK is irrelevant in both guilt, if you receive a citation, and liability, if you are involved in a crash.

Despite postings here to the contrary, it is legal and acceptable to make a right turn from the center lane of a roundabout as long as you have traveled at least half way around the roundabout, of if posted signs permit such movement. However, you must turn into the inside lane of the roadway you are entering.

It is also lawful and acceptable to enter the outside lane of a roundabout while a vehicle is approaching in the inside lane, and would not be in conflict with any lawful turn they may make if you are going to exit at the first exit. It unlawful to change lanes in a roundabout even if you are exiting.

Remember that the movement of traffic in the roundabout is controlled by the Official Traffic Control Devices (signs and lane markings) posted.

Lots of people are involved in traffic accidents who did what they thought should be correct, only to find out in court that they weren't. You could be one of those if you choose to make up your own interpretation of whats acceptable instead of following the established laws.

If you have any doubt about what is acceptable you should review the previously linked brochure and/or look at the posted signs at the roundabout approach.

[rjm1cc]

They are very dangerous so everyone has to be very careful.

[golfing eagles]

Driving in roundabouts can be confusing, especially if you don't encounter then often. Traffic movement in all of the roundabouts that I've encountered in The Villages are controlled by "Official Traffic Control Devices", which include signs posted at the approach and lane markings. If you are involved in a collision in a roundabout you may be issued a citation if you did not follow those directions. What you think is OK is irrelevant in both guilt, if you receive a citation, and liability, if you are involved in a crash.

Despite postings here to the contrary, it is legal and acceptable to make a right turn from the center lane of a roundabout as long as you have traveled at least half way around the roundabout, of if posted signs permit such movement. However, you must turn into the inside lane of the roadway you are entering.

It is also lawful and acceptable to enter the outside lane of a roundabout while a vehicle is approaching in the inside lane, and would not be in conflict with any lawful turn they may make if you are going to exit at the first exit. It is not illegal to change lanes in a roundabout even if you are exiting.

Remember that the movement of traffic in the roundabout is controlled by the Official Traffic Control Devices (signs and lane markings) posted.

Lots of people are involved in traffic accidents who did what they thought should be correct, only to find out in court that they weren't. You could be one of those if you choose to make up your own interpretation of whats acceptable instead of following the established laws.

If you have any doubt about what is acceptable you should review the previously linked brochure and/or look at the posted signs at the roundabout approach.

Disagree. Certainly, it is NOT acceptable.

As far as lawful, from the Sumter County Commissioners----"Approaching Roundabouts • Reduce your speed and prepare to YIELD to ALL traffic in the roundabout. • Guide signs provide guidance for approach street locations, not lane use orientation

Repeat--ALL traffic, not just traffic in the lane you plan on entering

[Polar Bear]

Flatlander's post has some very good stuff in it. But with all due respect, there are a couple of instances of bad/wrong info too...

...It is also lawful and acceptable to enter the outside lane of a roundabout while a vehicle is approaching in the inside lane...
Legal or not, it is totally unacceptable to enter the roundabout when another vehicle is approaching in either lane. Most basic rule of roundabout driving...when approaching the roundabout, yield to both lanes of traffic within the roundabout.

...It is not illegal to change lanes in a roundabout...
Again, legal or not...HIGHLY inadvisable.

Both of these examples are supported by the brochure on districtgov.org website...

https://www.districtgov.org/community/Roundabout-02-08-12.pdf

[rubicon]

I am seeking wisdom from the pundits on here:
Twice I have turned into a clear RIGHT-hand lane in a round-about, intending to turn right again out of it, and been honked at by someone coming around in the LEFT-hand lane. Apparently they were one of those people that like to cut straight across both lanes in the round-about, and got upset because I got in their way. I am aware that a car in the round-about has right of way, but I don't think cutting across lanes is legal or acceptable. Am I right?

aninjamom:

round a bouts you got to love them....and I do save time and reduce traffic.

If I understand your dilemma the operative words are "people that like to cut straight across both lanes" meaning they were trying to change lanes in midstream (ie get to the right lane to exit.) If my assumption is correct then you are right.

round abouts require a yield (caution) only and a complete stop if the lanes in that round about are loaded and vehicles approaching . if a driver entering intend just a short jaunt s/he usually stay in the right hand lane. However if a driver intends to go the 270 then they use either the right or left lane and as they exit they use their right hand signal..

Personal Best Regards

[baustgen]

Please note the broken white line that allows cars to cross as they come around the roundabout from the inside lane. You should wait until both lanes are clear in the roundabout before entering.

[VApeople]

I am seeking wisdom from the pundits on here:
Twice I have turned into a clear RIGHT-hand lane in a round-about, intending to turn right again out of it, and been honked at by someone coming around in the LEFT-hand lane. Apparently they were one of those people that like to cut straight across both lanes in the round-about, and got upset because I got in their way. I am aware that a car in the round-about has right of way, but I don't think cutting across lanes is legal or acceptable. Am I right?

You are definitely wrong.

Cars in the left lane are allowed to turn right, especially if they are going 3/4 of the way around the roundabout. I do it all the time.

If a car is in the roundabout, you should not pull into the roundabout. or if you do pull out, you must give him the right-of-way so that he can turn right if he wants to.

[Flatlander]

Polar Bear is correct in that it is unlawful to change lanes in a roundabout. Typo on my part, now corrected. As for entering the roundabout in the outside lane, the same rules apply as if you were entering a multi-lane highway. You may enter in the lane closest to the curb or outside of the highway if it is unoccupied, even if the other lanes are occupied. To say otherwise negates the value of multi-lane roads.

In a roundabout, if you are in the inside lane you must stay in your lane, even to exit, which is identified by the short broken white lines on the roadway. If you choose to exit at the junction, that is you lane and you must stay in your lane, not cut over into the outside lane. If you do choose to move into the outside lane and hit another vehicle in the process, you are liable and will likely be cited by the police. If everyone followed the codified laws, instead of what they think is or should be OK then there would be fewer accidents.

[Bogie Shooter]

Of all the many comments about roundabouts being dangerous, I disagree with this conclusion.
There are far more accidents at the intersections along CR466 & CR466A then in all the roundabouts combined.

BTW I am betting this thread reaches 50 posts................

[golfing eagles]

Polar Bear is correct in that it is unlawful to change lanes in a roundabout. Typo on my part, now corrected. As for entering the roundabout in the outside lane, the same rules apply as if you were entering a multi-lane highway. You may enter in the lane closest to the curb or outside of the highway if it is unoccupied, even if the other lanes are occupied. To say otherwise negates the value of multi-lane roads.

If everyone followed the codified laws, instead of what they think is or should be OK then there would be fewer accidents.

No, sorry, still disagree. They are NOT the same thing.

From the Florida DMV handbook, page 42:

TWO-WAY STREET ONTO A TWO-WAY STREET Begin the turn with your left wheels as close as possible to the yellow dividing line. Enter the road to the right of its center line. If the road onto which you are turning is a four-lane road, you may enter it in the right lane if the right lane is free of traffic.

So yes, you can turn into the nearest lane if free on a multilane road. However, same handbook, next page dealing with RBs:

Approaching the roundabout: • Slow down before entering the roundabout. • For multi-lane roundabouts, observe roadside signs and pavement markings to direct you into the correct lane. • Look to your left as you drive towards the entrance, yield to traffic already in the roundabout, bicyclists, and pedestrians in the crosswalk • Enter when there is a gap in traffic and merge with the other flow of vehicles. • NEVER make a left turn to enter a roundabout.

YIELD to traffic already in the RB, NOT just traffic in the lane you wish to enter

But I agree with your post, #25, where YOU stated:

Lots of people are involved in traffic accidents who did what they thought should be correct, only to find out in court that they weren't. You could be one of those if you choose to make up your own interpretation of what’s acceptable instead of following the established laws.

:beer3::beer3::beer3:

[perrjojo]

I will add one more point to add confusion. When exiting 3/4 way around you do exit from the inside lane. I see most people exit from the left and then crossover to the residents gate lane. When there are two lanes entering the gate area you should stay in the inside lane and that causes you to enter at the visitors gate.

[golfing eagles]

I will add one more point to add confusion. When exiting 3/4 way around you do exit from the inside lane. I see most people exit from the left and then crossover to the residents gate lane. When there are two lanes entering the gate area you should stay in the inside lane and that causes you to enter at the visitors gate.

Depends on whether anyone else is coming. If it is clear, there is plenty of room to change to the resident gate AFTER exiting the RB. (Unless you exit at 50 mph)

[Miles42]

WSDOT - How to drive a roundabout (https://www.wsdot.wa.gov/safety/roundabouts/)

[villagetinker]

I will add one more point to add confusion. When exiting 3/4 way around you do exit from the inside lane. I see most people exit from the left and then crossover to the residents gate lane. When there are two lanes entering the gate area you should stay in the inside lane and that causes you to enter at the visitors gate.

I just go in the visitors gate, no big deal. I have actually thought about writing up a comment that the "visitor" gates should be marked VISITOR OR RESIDENT, and the other gate RESIDENT ONLY. I have to go 3/4 around one or more roundabouts several times a week. I make sure the lanes are clear before I enter, and I ALWAYS USE TURN SIGNALS when getting ready to exit. I also make eye contact when I see a car getting ready to enter, make sure by my signals they know my intent.

[golfing eagles]

WSDOT - How to drive a roundabout (https://www.wsdot.wa.gov/safety/roundabouts/)

which states, in part:

"At the dashed yield line, look to your left and yield to drivers already in the roundabout. Remember, in a multi-lane roundabout, you must yield to both lanes of traffic."


Of course, we're not in the state of Washington, but their rule is stated much more clearly.

[justjim]

Of all the many comments about roundabouts being dangerous, I disagree with this conclusion.
There are far more accidents at the intersections along CR466 & CR466A then in all the roundabouts combined.

BTW I am betting this thread reaches 50 posts................

Bogie, you are spot on---roundabouts are proven to be safer.

[golfing eagles]

Bogie, you are spot on---roundabouts are proven to be safer.

Of course they're safer---First of all, the speed limit is 20 mph, not 45 like 466. Secondly, it is REAL hard to T-bone someone at a 90 degree angle in a circle, most accidents will be a glancing blow. But not every intersection lends itself to a RB, and in the end, it is not poor intersection design, but poor drivers that cause accidents.

[Flatlander]

First, Drivers Training Manuals, KDOT Manuals and other training material are not the law. They are generally correct but can't be used in court as evidence of what the law says. For that you will have to look at the published Florida Statutes. Show up in court waving one of the mentioned training booklets and the judge will inform you that they are not the law.

The term "yield" is short for yield the right of way. You don't have to yield to traffic which does not enjoy the right of way over the your intended route of travel.

If you are entering a roundabout from the left or inside lane, you must enter the inside lane of the roundabout. In that instance you must yield to all cars approaching you in the roundabout in both lanes.

If you are entering the roundabout from the right or outside lane you must enter the outside lane of the roundabout and you only have to yield the right of way to those vehicle which have the right of way over you. That does not include vehicles in the inside lane. They are obligated to stay in the inside lane until they exit so have no right of way over you.

Again, you should note the signs at the approach to the roundabout that direct the flow of traffic as not all roundabouts are the same.

Let them blow their horns, wave with one finger, yell out the window or type in bold type. That does not make their beliefs correct. You can just ignore them and continue on your lawful travels knowing that you have done nothing wrong.

Safe travels!

[perrjojo]

Here is what I have learned reading round about threads. Many people have different ideas about how it works. Many people don't have a clue how it works. Some people don't care how it works. Some people are right and some people are wrong. My take away is .. enter with caution and be prepared for anything another driver might do. Btw, I like the roundabouts and think they are a safe and efficient way to move traffic.

[Polar Bear]

...If you are entering the roundabout from the right or outside lane you must enter the outside lane of the roundabout and you only have to yield the right of way to those vehicle which have the right of way over you. That does not include vehicles in the inside lane. They are obligated to stay in the inside lane until they exit so have no right of way over you.
Why would you want to trust any driver so much?

Here's a link to a roundabout document for the State of Washington. I know...I know...it's not Florida. Do me a favor and just read it. And look at the graphics. The roundabouts are identical to TV roundabouts. And then tell me if you find anything in Florida law which conflicts with this information, especially the part that says "Remember, in a multi-lane roundabout, you must yield to both lanes of traffic." I don't think you will.

WSDOT - How to drive a roundabout (https://www.wsdot.wa.gov/safety/roundabouts/)

[Mikeod]

Please people. It doesn't matter what they do in WA, KS, or Timbuktu, the Sumter and Marion county sheriffs have agreed on the proper way to navigate these roundabouts. You enter in the left/inside lane if you intend to go straight through or continue to the third exit. You enter in the right/outside lane if you intend to go straight through or take the first exit to your right. And you don't change lanes within the roundabout.

You never enter a roundabout with traffic to your left in either lane. Period. And the traffic control sign at the entrance says "Yield", not race in front of any car coming around.

All the problems drivers have with others in roundabouts occur for only two reasons. Either the first driver isn't following those guidelines or the other one isn't. Too many people think they "know" how to drive them and they are wrong most of the time.

[aninjamom]

well, thanks for all the feedback. I'm entering in the right hand lane slowly after a stop, and staying right, and exiting at the next right. According to y'all, I'm right and/or wrong. I'm just going to accept the inevitable and wait from now on.

[bandsdavis]

And yet, the markings in the roundabouts (many of them) are clearly broken lines, indicating that it is allowable to change lanes; not solid lines indicating that you cannot change. And, for many roundabouts ( as an example, entering the roundabout near Lake Miona Rec Center from Bailey Trail) there is only one entry lane. If you are continuing North on Buena Vista, you have to get into the left lane around the roundabout, forcing you to change lanes. If you are going South on BV, you need to enter into the right lane. If you are going straight across to Odell, theoretically either lane would do, depending on whether you want to enter via the resident or guest lane. Not always black and white, and requires some common sense.

[pqrstar]

Rubicon says "However if a driver intends to go the 270 then they use either the right or left lane and as they exit they use their right hand signal.."


Rubicon, read the Sumter County Guide to Navigating Roundabouts again

It is NEVER acceptable to use the right lane if you intend to exit 3/4 of the way around the roundabout.

[CWGUY]

Of all the many comments about roundabouts being dangerous, I disagree with this conclusion.
There are far more accidents at the intersections along CR466 & CR466A then in all the roundabouts combined.

BTW I am betting this thread reaches 50 posts................

:wave: 49 down...1 to go!

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I am seeking wisdom from the pundits on here:
Twice I have turned into a clear RIGHT-hand lane in a round-about, intending to turn right again out of it, and been honked at by someone coming around in the LEFT-hand lane. Apparently they were one of those people that like to cut straight across both lanes in the round-about, and got upset because I got in their way. I am aware that a car in the round-about has right of way, but I don't think cutting across lanes is legal or acceptable. Am I right?

If you are entering the ROB at six o'clock and the driver in the left hand lane entered at nine o'clock then that driver has right to take the same exit as you. If there is only one lane then he might have a right to be upset. But honking in general is ridiculous and unnecessary. If people cut me off I just slow down and let them go.

On the other hand there are people that believe that you should never enter a ROB if there is another car in it. Ridiculous!!! ROBs are made to keep traffic moving=, If every car has to wait until the ROB was completely clear, we might as well have four way stop signs.

What's the point in blowing your horn in that situation? It stupid and accomplishes nothing. People honk their horns, I pretty much ignore them. In fact I usually feel sorry for them for being to angry.

[golfing eagles]

:wave: 49 down...1 to go!

OK, in that case I'll reference post #42.
First, the LAW never specifies who HAS the right of way, it specifies who MUST YIELD IT.
Second, do you think the Sumter County Sheriff's Dept. put out a brochure that is contrary to existing FL law?
Third, if you like the law, there is FL statute 316.123 section 3:
"(3) The driver of a vehicle approaching a yield sign shall, in obedience to such sign, slow down to a speed reasonable for the existing conditions and, if required for safety to stop, shall stop before entering the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection, or, if none, then at the point nearest the intersecting roadway where the driver has a view of approaching traffic on the intersecting roadway. After slowing or stopping, the driver shall yield the right-of-way to ANY vehicle in the intersection or approaching on another highway so closely as to constitute an immediate hazard during the time the driver is moving across or within the intersection. If such a driver is involved in a collision with a pedestrian in a crosswalk or a vehicle in the intersection, after driving past a yield sign without stopping, the collision shall be deemed prima facie evidence of the driver’s failure to yield the right-of-way.."
Fourth, as far as turning onto a multilane highway goes, it's OK to turn into the near lane if it is clear, WHEN turning at an intersection. If you are turning from a driveway, parking lot or alley, it's different.
FL statute 316.125 section 1 states "The driver of a vehicle about to enter or cross a highway from an alley, building, private road or driveway shall yield the right-of-way to all vehicles approaching on the highway to be entered which are so close thereto as to constitute an immediate hazard."

[golfing eagles]

If you are entering the ROB at six o'clock and the driver in the left hand lane entered at nine o'clock then that driver has right to take the same exit as you. If there is only one lane then he might have a right to be upset. But honking in general is ridiculous and unnecessary. If people cut me off I just slow down and let them go.

On the other hand there are people that believe that you should never enter a ROB if there is another car in it. Ridiculous!!! ROBs are made to keep traffic moving=, If every car has to wait until the ROB was completely clear, we might as well have four way stop signs.

What's the point in blowing your horn in that situation? It stupid and accomplishes nothing. People honk their horns, I pretty much ignore them. In fact I usually feel sorry for them for being to angry.

Yes, there are. Those people are the Sheriff's Dept, the State Police, the State Legislature and the courts. The statement from the DMV:

"At the dashed yield line, look to your left and yield to drivers already in the roundabout. Remember, in a multi-lane roundabout, you must yield to both lanes of traffic."

seems pretty clear to me.

[rustyp]

Read the pamphlet in post #4 from the Sumter County Sherriff. Here is a direct lift from it:

Navigating Roundabouts What is a Roundabout?
• Move up to the entrance line and wait for a gap in
traffic. DO NOT ENTER next to a vehicle in the roundabout, as that vehicle may be exiting at the next exit.
• Within the roundabout, do not stop except to avoid a
collision; you have the right-of-way over entering
traffic. Keep moving in a counterclockwise direction.
• Do not change lanes in a roundabout.

[CFrance]

well, thanks for all the feedback. I'm entering in the right hand lane slowly after a stop, and staying right, and exiting at the next right. According to y'all, I'm right and/or wrong. I'm just going to accept the inevitable and wait from now on.
I think it's been made pretty clear you're wrong if you are not yielding to both lanes of traffic in a roundabout. Even the county sheriffs say so. Only one person disagrees--and maybe Rubicon. Isn't that why you asked the question, to find out what's right and what's wrong? The sign doesn't say "Yield Here, Not There." It says "Yield," period.

[rustyp]

[QUOTE=aninjamom;1392855]well, thanks for all the feedback. I'm entering in the right hand lane slowly after a stop, and staying right, and exiting at the next right. According to y'all, I'm right and/or wrong. I'm just going to accept the inevitable and wait from now on.[/QUOTE

Travel north on Morse Blvd above Rt44 and enter into the roundabout at Pinellas Place and Moyer Loop. Now please explain how your strategy will work. Moyer Loop is the first right off Morse and is one lane. The person in the roundabout has the right of way. How does that person get through you to exit on Moyer Loop?

[2BNTV]

Here is what I have learned reading round about threads. Many people have different ideas about how it works. Many people don't have a clue how it works. Some people don't care how it works. Some people are right and some people are wrong. My take away is .. enter with caution and be prepared for anything another driver might do. Btw, I like the roundabouts and think they are a safe and efficient way to move traffic.

:agree:

To me it's simple. If you are in the right lane, you are allowed to make the first or second right in the RAB. If you are going to the third right turn, you need to be in the left lane.

I am always careful in the RAB as I don't assume everyone knows how they work or don't care. I try to stay behind them. I have seen many incidences of people going to the third right turn from the right lane. One person wanted to make the third right from the right lane and saw I was nearby and went to the next roundabout to turn around.

Right or wrong, your insurance will go up if you are involved in an accident.

[John_W]

Part of the problem is the OP doesn't understand why someone should be in the left lane. It's the reaction by many snowbirds who don't look at the signs or read the brochures. If they get in the outside lane and drive very slow to any exit, they figure they'll be safe.

Just imagine a 4-way stop. Each roadway is 2 lanes. If you were making a left turn, you wouldn't be in the right lane would you? No, you would be in the left lane. If you were turning right, you would be in the right lane, correct? If you were going straight you could be in either lane, correct? Just picture that in your mind the next time you approach a round-about. You need to start planning your lane usage before you get to the round-about so you'll be in the correct lane.

[Barefoot]

Some things are certain, it never is a bad idea to use directional signals to alert all lane users and cars entering of intention to exit. secondly is to never assume that other drivers have a clue about what they are doing in right lane of roundabout or that entering driver will yield to cars already in the roundabout. Forget about having the right of way, because that can lead to accidents.:agree:

[noslices1]

The rules are simple. If you are in the right-hand lane when entering a roundabout you may only turn right or go straight. If you are in the left hand lane entering the roundabout, you may only go straight or turn left. Traffic that is already in the roundabout has the right-of-way.

[rlcooper70]

They have the right of way .... they own it. You have to be considerate of them. Here's a rule to keep you safe ... when in the roundabout always keep a half car length either ahead or behind the adjacent car ... and if "behind" you must watch their front wheel for the turn and don't commit until they commit.

[normanne]

We should remove the lane markings in roundabouts.
Before entering the circle, give way to any traffic coming round.
No need to signal on entry.(that will suit people who never signal anyway)
Just before your exit use a Right turn signal. (Please)
Follow round the circle in single file, no overtaking
As you wait to enter, if an approaching vehicle is signaling with a right turn indicator, do as you would at any junction. Ask yourself, do I trust him? Watch his front wheels. Enter when safe to do so.

[Steve9930]

The rules are simple. If you are in the right-hand lane when entering a roundabout you may only turn right or go straight. If you are in the left hand lane entering the roundabout, you may only go straight or turn left. Traffic that is already in the roundabout has the right-of-way.

Yep, the rules are simple. But light stop lights, which seem to be optional, not all follow the rules. I had a delivery truck continue from the right lane when they should have exited. The two rules I follow are:

1) Drive Defensively
2) See rule number 1

[airstreamingypsy]

I don't enter roundabouts if another car is headed my way in it, or about to be in it. Problem solved.

[CFrance]

The rules are simple. If you are in the right-hand lane when entering a roundabout you may only turn right or go straight. If you are in the left hand lane entering the roundabout, you may only go straight or turn left. Traffic that is already in the roundabout has the right-of-way.
Excellent.

[bunnyhop]

Please review the document on roundabouts, you will see if the other person entered the roundabout 3/4 of the way around, they are supposed to be in the LEFT lane, and EXIT from the LEFT lane. Here is the link, for the VCDD site, the reference to the roundabout document is about half way down the page, I will also try to past the PDF here.
Did You Know (http://www.districtgov.org/community/DidYouKnow.aspx)

BE VERY CAREFUL EXITING FROM THE LEFT LANE! Exiting should ONLY be from the RIGHT LANE.

[bunnyhop]

BEST ADVICE ... Stop in the Visitor's lane at any Village Gate and ask the gate attendant for the brochure on Roundabouts. They all have them (or should). That way, you'll learn the correct way to enter and exit the roundabouts. Some of the answers provided here are incorrect and are the reason why there are so many problems with close calls and accidents.

[golfing eagles]

BE VERY CAREFUL EXITING FROM THE LEFT LANE! Exiting should ONLY be from the RIGHT LANE.

Think that over again (and read previous posts). Since you should not change lanes in a RB, the driver in the left lane would be going around forever, unable to exit according to your right lane exit only rule.

[pqrstar]

BE VERY CAREFUL EXITING FROM THE LEFT LANE! Exiting should ONLY be from the RIGHT LANE.

PLEASE READ that pamphlet again.

[Olena]

I should add that I turn carefully, and ahead of them. I'm not cutting in front of them, they are in the OTHER lane! The only reason I can imagine them honking is because they wanted to cut over.
You should not enter a RB when the other car is already in the RB in EITHER lane

[Chatbrat]

Saw a person driving thru 2 RB's this morning , totally unable to stay in his lane, quite elderly and wearing those totally black wrap around sun glasses @ 7 AM--either get way infront or hang way back--sometimes you have to give some cars a wide berth--probably no longer is aware on what right of way means

[CWGUY]

BE VERY CAREFUL EXITING FROM THE LEFT LANE! Exiting should ONLY be from the RIGHT LANE.

:what:

[Bogie Shooter]

BE VERY CAREFUL EXITING FROM THE LEFT LANE! Exiting should ONLY be from the RIGHT LANE.

Was this just dreamed up?

[Bogie Shooter]

BEST ADVICE ... Stop in the Visitor's lane at any Village Gate and ask the gate attendant for the brochure on Roundabouts. They all have them (or should). That way, you'll learn the correct way to enter and exit the roundabouts. Some of the answers provided here are incorrect and are the reason why there are so many problems with close calls and accidents.

Such as only exiting from the right land.

[Bogie Shooter]

My estimate of 50 posts was so wrong.....revised to 160 posts.
Sorry for my three contributions but, some of these opinions are so out in left field...............

[jakandnan]

If you stop thinking of traffic circles as circles and more as an intersection, it makes it easier to manage. If you enter an intersection/circle in the left lane, you can either GO left (3/4 around) or go straight through. While if you enter the intersection/circle in the right lane, you can either turn right (1/4 around) or go straight. You don't turn left from the right lane, and you don't turn right from the left lane. If you do, you are just asking for problems.

[MorTech]

ALL traffic in the circle has the right of way. You are in the wrong to proceed into the circle regardless if they are in the left lane. You have to assume that they will exit into the Residents lane to your right. It is their right!...And the Visitor lane is for visitors NOT "Visitors and Residents". The procedure is single file thru the Residents lane and yielding to MMP traffic with each gate closing. A resident can use the Visitor lane only if the Resident lane is backed up to the circle. The Visitor lane yields to both Resident lane and MMP crossing.

Turn Signals? Really? Are you really going to trust a turn signal in a retirement community?

[manaboutown]

These roundabout threads can get hilarious. The reality is many folks driving in The Villages are simply incompetent drivers. The online news that shall go unmentioned just published a photo and story of a woman who just ran her car into a building in the CENTER of the roundabout!!!

[golfing eagles]

These roundabout threads can get hilarious. The reality is many folks driving in The Villages are simply incompetent drivers. The online news that shall go unmentioned just published a photo and story of a woman who just ran her car into a building in the CENTER of the roundabout!!!

She was going straight and didn't know which lane to take:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Barefoot]

BE VERY CAREFUL EXITING FROM THE LEFT LANE! Exiting should ONLY be from the RIGHT LANE.

Some of the answers provided here are incorrect and are the reason why there are so many problems with close calls and accidents.

Think that over again (and read previous posts). Since you should not change lanes in a RB, the driver in the left lane would be going around forever, unable to exit according to your right lane exit only rule.

Here we go again. :ohdear:
Bunnyhop, please think about it --- golfing eagles is right.

[Nucky]

Hey Hippity Hop, I'm a natural in these funny lookin round a bouts. Dae have them where i come from. They has some extra rules down here that really work and were being used b/4 u & me even new about TV. Watch the video, get with the program, don't fight the system and most importantly don't be a statistic or make me or my new friends 1. Thank u. Sew many peoples try to give you constructive advice. It's like that here people try to help each other, mostly.

Exiting from the inside lane is ABSOLUTELY ok.

[jeriteri]

You should position yourself in the lane you want to be in per the signs that are displayed prior to getting to the roundabout. Those signs tell you where to be when in the roundabout depending on which street you want to go to. It is illegal to switch lanes while in the roundabout. SIMPLE IF YOU DISAPLINE YOURSELF WHILE DRIVING IN THE VILLAGES.

[twoplanekid]

You should position yourself in the lane you want to be in per the signs that are displayed prior to getting to the roundabout. Those signs tell you where to be when in the roundabout depending on which street you want to go to. It is illegal to switch lanes while in the roundabout. SIMPLE IF YOU DISAPLINE YOURSELF WHILE DRIVING IN THE VILLAGES.

If that is correct, then explain the lines and the correct car movement to be in the right hand lane for the resident gate if one is on Buena Vista heading south then turning left onto Hillsborough. Note the two lanes at the south end of the traffic circle. It seems like one would enter the right hand south end lane while in the roundabout. Otherwise, how could one be in that lane?

[birdiebill]

If that is correct, then explain the lines and the correct car movement to be in the right hand lane for the resident gate if one is on Buena Vista heading south then turning left onto Hillsborough. Note the two lanes at the south end of the traffic circle. It seems like one would enter the right hand south end lane while in the roundabout. Otherwise, how could one be in that lane?

The correct way is to enter the roundabout from the left lane while southbound on Buena Vista, stay in the inside lane of the roundabout until the car gets to the dotted line at the entrance to Hillsborough and then cross the dotted line at the entrance to Hillsborough as the car exits the roundabout. While no one should enter the roundabout from the northbound Buena Vista while you approach the exit to Hillsborough, be sure to use your turn signal indicating a right turn exit. Also look to make sure that no one is alongside the right side of the car before turning right because some people do not know how to drive roundabouts

[twoplanekid]

The correct way is to enter the roundabout from the left lane while southbound on Buena Vista, stay in the inside lane of the roundabout until the car gets to the dotted line at the entrance to Hillsborough and then cross the dotted line at the entrance to Hillsborough as the car exits the roundabout. While no one should enter the roundabout from the northbound Buena Vista while you approach the exit to Hillsborough, be sure to use your turn signal indicating a right turn exit. Also look to make sure that no one is alongside the right side of the car before turning right because some people do not know how to drive roundabouts

So how does one enter that right hand east roundabout lane that is so clearly depicted? I wonder why it’s not striped as another roundabout further north on Buena Vista? It leads to less confusion in my opinion! **Why depict the lane if you are not to be in it?**

[OhioBuckeye]

It is or should be clear to all that the round abouts are DANGEROUS.

If, you read the rules, you will find that it is legal to make a right hand turn from the left lane. LEGAL IS NOT ALWAYS SANE.

Use of turn signals. WOW. It is rare to see any of you use turn signals. I've seen people turn on turn signals after they have already changed lanes-HUH?

The OP-I of course did not see it BUT, if I understand what you did there was a car in the left lane of the round about and you decided to enter the round about entering in the right lane. YOU ARE WRONG. IT IS SIMPLY NOT A SAFE ACTION. You likely had your car go into the left lane as you made your turn. IF, you did not the driver in the left lane SHOULD have assumed there was a good chance you would cross into his lane.

Sorry, but I'm getting off the subject a bit but as far as turning signals, it's a lot worse with golf carts & turning some people do forget to take off their turn signals after they make a turn, because cart signals don't have an automatic trip after you make a turn. I've had people come to a tunnel with turn signals on & don't turn & if you do make a turn or look like you're going to go these people will blow their horns & scream lots of something at you. Yes, turn signals in cars in round abouts are really a waste of time. I think the best way & the way I do it is I don't try to go around a round about right next to a car, I'll slow down or speed up to get ahead or behind them. But you made a good point but the same thing still could happen turn signal on & they'll turn on the 3rd exit.

[Bogie Shooter]

If that is correct, then explain the lines and the correct car movement to be in the right hand lane for the resident gate if one is on Buena Vista heading south then turning left onto Hillsborough. Note the two lanes at the south end of the traffic circle. It seems like one would enter the right hand south end lane while in the roundabout. Otherwise, how could one be in that lane?

The correct way is to enter the roundabout from the left lane while southbound on Buena Vista, stay in the inside lane of the roundabout until the car gets to the dotted line at the entrance to Hillsborough and then cross the dotted line at the entrance to Hillsborough as the car exits the roundabout. While no one should enter the roundabout from the northbound Buena Vista while you approach the exit to Hillsborough, be sure to use your turn signal indicating a right turn exit. Also look to make sure that no one is alongside the right side of the car before turning right because some people do not know how to drive roundabouts

So how does one enter that right hand east roundabout lane that is so clearly depicted? I wonder why it’s not striped as another roundabout further north on Buena Vista? It leads to less confusion in my opinion! **Why depict the lane if you not to be in it?**

"Who" is on first.............................

[Polar Bear]

...people do forget to take off their turn signals after they make a turn...I think the best way & the way I do it is I don't try to go around a round about right next to a car, I'll slow down or speed up to get ahead or behind them...
Words to live by. :)

Turn signals...while a nice courtesy...are of minimal value in a roundabout because you simply can't trust them to indicate what a driver is actually going to do. I use turn signals myself, but I do not care in the slightest whether drivers in the roundabout around me use theirs, because I won't base any driving decisions on them anyway.

[yabbadu]

How about Round-about police and bad parking Police....:bigbow::coolsmiley::boxing2::blahblahbl ah::clap2::MOJE_whot:

[Carl in Tampa]

Please review the document on roundabouts, you will see if the other person entered the roundabout 3/4 of the way around, they are supposed to be in the LEFT lane, and EXIT from the LEFT lane. Here is the link, for the VCDD site, the reference to the roundabout document is about half way down the page, I will also try to past the PDF here.
Did You Know (http://www.districtgov.org/community/DidYouKnow.aspx)

I am intrigued by the fact that there have been 88 posts, occupying nine pages, when the complete and correct answer was made in the fourth post on the first page by Villagetinker.

http://www.districtgov.org/community/Roundabout-02-08-12.pdf

:popcorn:

[finallyavillager]

Agree. Scary that poster has been part of TOTV and. resident driver since2014!

[twoplanekid]

I am intrigued by the fact that there have been 88 posts, occupying nine pages, when the complete and correct answer was made in the fourth post on the first page by Villagetinker.

http://www.districtgov.org/community/Roundabout-02-08-12.pdf

:popcorn:

As the two roundabouts in my example are three way and not four, I still would question why the design is not consistent with example #2 as a section of the right lane to Hillsborough in # 1 should never be used!

[Mikeod]

As the two roundabouts in my example are three way and not four, I still would question why the design is not consistent with example #2 as a section of the right lane to Hillsborough in # 1 should never be used!

If you are referring to the right lane that leads to the resident gate, I think it's there because the entrance to the gates is two lanes. I agree it should almost never be used unless someone screws up and uses the outside lane instead of the inner lane. It may be just easier to build them all the same way and use lane markings to create a single lane such as the one on Morse near the Sheriff station near 466.

In the other example, remember it was constructed years ago when roundabouts were first part of the development and it feeds a single lane road instead of two lanes to an entrance gate.

[twoplanekid]

If you are referring to the right lane that leads to the resident gate, I think it's there because the entrance to the gates is two lanes. I agree it should almost never be used unless someone screws up and uses the outside lane instead of the inner lane. It may be just easier to build them all the same way and use lane markings to create a single lane such as the one on Morse near the Sheriff station near 466.

In the other example, remember it was constructed years ago when roundabouts were first part of the development and it feeds a single lane road instead of two lanes to an entrance gate.

Yes. I am well aware that the gate entrance has two lanes. However, if the outside lane should never be used, then don’t create it as someone will be tempted to use it. Poor design and should be changed in my opinion to the other design even if it is older. Or, like the one on Morse for the left turn into Lake Sumter Landing. The inner lane or single lane should feed into either of the two gate lane.

[Carl in Tampa]

As the two roundabouts in my example are three way and not four, I still would question why the design is not consistent with example #2 as a section of the right lane to Hillsborough in # 1 should never be used!

This is arguably a design fault. However, it is far afield from the concern of the original poster who wondered why someone in the inside lane would honk at him for entering the circle in the outside lane.

This has been explained by early postings that pointed out that he would be interfering with a driver in the inside lane who had come half way or three quarters of the way around the circle and was intending to properly depart the circle from the inside lane into the left lane of the exit road.

[twoplanekid]

This is arguably a design fault. However, it is far afield from the concern of the original poster who wondered why someone in the inside lane would honk at him for entering the circle in the outside lane.

This has been explained by early postings that pointed out that he would be interfering with a driver in the inside lane who had come half way or three quarters of the way around the circle and was intending to properly depart the circle from the inside lane into the left lane of the exit road.

Or into the right lane of the exit road as in the three way example.

[MikeyBoo54]

I am intrigued by the fact that there have been 88 posts, occupying nine pages, when the complete and correct answer was made in the fourth post on the first page by Villagetinker.

http://www.districtgov.org/community/Roundabout-02-08-12.pdf

:popcorn:

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