Racist ?

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I was just browsing in the "clean" area where there is a thread concerning joining the political forum: there is a post there that said many bad things about this forum and one of the charges was that it was racist !

Does anyone on either side of our discussions agree with that ? Have we reached the stage here in this country that if you criticize a black man, then you are racist or vice versa ?

I have not seen anyone alluding to race...I have seen folks talk about Rev Wright, but then again there was talk in here during the campaign about Sen McCain and his minister !

Must we be so doggone "politically correct" that we worry about the color of anyone's skin ?

One time during the campaign I received a PM calling me a racist....and a few times here in public on the board I was called a racist. It does not bother me because there is nothing further from true, but if we need to be so sensitive to the color of a mans skin then we are not making gains in this country....we are, at best, treading water !!!

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It's just one more liberal ploy to silence conservatives. If you can't win an argument in the arena of ideas, which they can't, then just call them a racist, bigot or a homophobe.

It's so typical.

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I replied to that poster and asked her if she felt that way when the negativity was directed at Bush, as did someone else, who asked her to cite the instances of racism she was referring to. His post and mine were removed.

I asked why and was told that our posts were too political, but hers remains.

Go figure.

This post will probably be removed also.

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What's the "clean" area?? I'm so dumb??? Helpppppp!! :o

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The Clean area is the New Post area without the Political subscription.

The racist comment was in Tony's post "Don't Forget about the Political".

I have yet to see a racist post in the political forum myself. Even I do not post in it often, I at least read everything.

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Thanks, Z, for the explanation. Glad there are guys around her to help us along.... K.

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what is right. It allows avoidance of issues and speaking the truth. It is intended to be more permissive, more forgiving, more tolerant (of selected subjects).

I personally do not subscribe to anything that excludes doing what is right...no matter what the price. Otherwise one would have occasion to do wrong....eh?
Hence the concept of political correctness. It is a reality cop out!!

btk

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Social and political correctness are bred in the liberal side of life. It's always been a conundrum to me how the party that touts the philosophy of free speech only applies that rule to what they believe is correct. If they disagree with anyone else s speech they throw a label at you. Bigot, racist, homophobes.

As they say "a good defense is a strong offense". When they have little argument as to what you say, attack. Too many people have become afraid to speak their mind because they're uncomfortable about having a label thrown at them. It's time we stop cowering about how we feel or think, stand up for our thoughts.

You have never been a racist in any of your posts. Whoever did that post cannot rebut what you say in any meaningful way, so call you a racist because OB is a black man and you don't like his politics, and see if that puts you down.

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Ignore them! If I had a dime for every slur thrown at me for not buying, mixing and drinking the latte-flavored Kool-Aid, I'd be able to get that Sea Ray 60 Sundancer and the hideaway in Bimini.

llegitimi non carborundum!

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I dared to point out the obvious fact that the political forum was subject to a form of censorship by placing a "speed bump" between the viewers of TOTV and the Political forum. I simply stated a fact. I also made an observation that the number of viewers on the Political forum appears to have gone down ( not a proven fact ). These 2 comments have disturbed a few.... perhaps more than a few. That itself is interesting and open for discussion. (hopefully more of a discussion than..."get over it").

BTW.... whatever happened to Keedy?

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I dared to point out the obvious fact that the political forum was subject to a form of censorship by placing a "speed bump" between the viewers of TOTV and the Political forum.

I don't get what you are saying. How is placing the political board in a freely joinable member group a from of censorship? Anyone is free to join, view and participate.

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I've been wondering, also, about Keedy. I miss him.

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I don't get what you are saying. How is placing the political board in a freely joinable member group a from of censorship? Anyone is free to join, view and participate.Hop on the bus... See my question about "subscription' forums.

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where does one go to get a "race card"?

I would love to have one because it seems when it is played you are insulated from being one. I think that is pretty convenient...narrow and stupid but convenient.

:jester:btk:jester:

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When I grew up, my neighbor hood was multi racial and multi ethnic. We were however of one culture. Relatively poor surviving Americans. We all were proud of our heritages but more proud to be Americans. We saluted the flag, pledged allegiance, lit bon fires, paid taxes and all that stuff. As a result, I grew up to understand that we were all alike for the most part. As long as we were of the same culture, nothing else mattered like race, wealth, heritage,etc. We were All Americans. Albeit poor Americans but Americans. Even those who had a vowel at the end of their name and spoke broken English.

As a result of my upbringing I became a culturalist and I remain one today. I firmly believe that some cultures are better than others and that the Judeo Christian European culture that founded America was the best and produced a Great nation. I do not believe that multi-cultural ism has any place in America. Some people come here and want to remake America into the hell hole that they just escaped from. Go figure.

So, when I have been called a racist I have explained my view on the value of different cultures. Those who really care understand and recognize a sincere difference of opinion. Others just say "That's racist." You can never win with that kind.

To be a racist is to place a value on a trait that has no value. No intrinsic value exists in being white, black or (enter the color of your choice) To be a culturalist assigns a value to traits that count. Shared values, shared lifestyle and others. You know what I mean.

Just some thoughts.

Yoda

A member of the loyal opposition

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When I grew up, my neighbor hood was multi racial and multi ethnic. We were however of one culture. Relatively poor surviving Americans. We all were proud of our heritages but more proud to be Americans. We saluted the flag, pledged allegiance, lit bon fires, paid taxes and all that stuff. As a result, I grew up to understand that we were all alike for the most part. As long as we were of the same culture, nothing else mattered like race, wealth, heritage,etc. We were All Americans. Albeit poor Americans but Americans. Even those who had a vowel at the end of their name and spoke broken English.

As a result of my upbringing I became a culturalist and I remain one today. I firmly believe that some cultures are better than others and that the Judeo Christian European culture that founded America was the best and produced a Great nation. I do not believe that multi-cultural ism has any place in America. Some people come here and want to remake America into the hell hole that they just escaped from. Go figure.

So, when I have been called a racist I have explained my view on the value of different cultures. Those who really care understand and recognize a sincere difference of opinion. Others just say "That's racist." You can never win with that kind.

To be a racist is to place a value on a trait that has no value. No intrinsic value exists in being white, black or (enter the color of your choice) To be a culturalist assigns a value to traits that count. Shared values, shared lifestyle and others. You know what I mean.

Just some thoughts.

Yoda

A member of the loyal opposition

Well said...

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When I grew up, my neighbor hood was multi racial and multi ethnic. We were however of one culture. Relatively poor surviving Americans. We all were proud of our heritages but more proud to be Americans. We saluted the flag, pledged allegiance, lit bon fires, paid taxes and all that stuff. As a result, I grew up to understand that we were all alike for the most part. As long as we were of the same culture, nothing else mattered like race, wealth, heritage,etc. We were All Americans. Albeit poor Americans but Americans. Even those who had a vowel at the end of their name and spoke broken English.

As a result of my upbringing I became a culturalist and I remain one today. I firmly believe that some cultures are better than others and that the Judeo Christian European culture that founded America was the best and produced a Great nation. I do not believe that multi-cultural ism has any place in America. Some people come here and want to remake America into the hell hole that they just escaped from. Go figure.

So, when I have been called a racist I have explained my view on the value of different cultures. Those who really care understand and recognize a sincere difference of opinion. Others just say "That's racist." You can never win with that kind.

To be a racist is to place a value on a trait that has no value. No intrinsic value exists in being white, black or (enter the color of your choice) To be a culturalist assigns a value to traits that count. Shared values, shared lifestyle and others. You know what I mean.

Just some thoughts.

Yoda

A member of the loyal opposition
Yoda, In our age of political correctness, even to suggest that "some cultures are better than others" demonstrates an element of personal courage to express and stand up for your convictions, that most would shy away from.... out of FEAR of retribution. This would be a great topic to debate and discuss on this forum. It is too bad that some have elected to close the door, and their minds to this type of discussion.

Your post made my day.... why???---> because everyday I hope to learn just 1 new tidbit about anything... Today I learned what a "culturalist" is and believes. Thanks.

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When I grew up, my neighbor hood was multi racial and multi ethnic. We were however of one culture. Relatively poor surviving Americans. We all were proud of our heritages but more proud to be Americans. We saluted the flag, pledged allegiance, lit bon fires, paid taxes and all that stuff. As a result, I grew up to understand that we were all alike for the most part. As long as we were of the same culture, nothing else mattered like race, wealth, heritage,etc. We were All Americans. Albeit poor Americans but Americans. Even those who had a vowel at the end of their name and spoke broken English.

As a result of my upbringing I became a culturalist and I remain one today. I firmly believe that some cultures are better than others and that the Judeo Christian European culture that founded America was the best and produced a Great nation. I do not believe that multi-cultural ism has any place in America. Some people come here and want to remake America into the hell hole that they just escaped from. Go figure.

So, when I have been called a racist I have explained my view on the value of different cultures. Those who really care understand and recognize a sincere difference of opinion. Others just say "That's racist." You can never win with that kind.

To be a racist is to place a value on a trait that has no value. No intrinsic value exists in being white, black or (enter the color of your choice) To be a culturalist assigns a value to traits that count. Shared values, shared lifestyle and others. You know what I mean.

Just some thoughts.

Yoda

A member of the loyal opposition
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Well said Yoda. When I worked for the government I valued the experience very much because I worked with a very diversified group of people (Scientists, intellectuals, etc.) They came from many different backgrounds and had many different opinions, but they too were culturalists because they "assigned values to traits that count"--i.e., work hard, study hard, have family values, etc. I consider myself to be fortunate. It was nice to be around people that did not judge people about how they looked or where they came from.

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Well said Yoda. When I worked for the government I valued the experience very much because I worked with a very diversified group of people (Scientists, intellectuals, etc.) They came from many different backgrounds and had many different opinions, but they too were culturalists because they "assigned values to traits that count"--i.e., work hard, study hard, have family values, etc. I consider myself to be fortunate. It was nice to be around people that did not judge people about how they looked or where they came from.

Amen! Or whether or not they were "politically correct".

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Well said Yoda. When I worked for the government I valued the experience very much because I worked with a very diversified group of people (Scientists, intellectuals, etc.) They came from many different backgrounds and had many different opinions, but they too were culturalists because they "assigned values to traits that count"--i.e., work hard, study hard, have family values, etc. I consider myself to be fortunate. It was nice to be around people that did not judge people about how they looked or where they came from.

WELL SAID JOANNEJ.
I have many friends that are Liberals and a few that are in NDP party in Canada. I listen to them often and I realize they are as fervent in their beliefs as I am. I have many interesting conversations with them.
I am taken aback when things get a bit too heated they go back to.
Well your just a BIGGOT or a RACIST. I am neither.