TV Developer wants to build in south Leesburg

[champion6]

Leesburg city commissioners are expected to decide on Monday whether to sell about 1,685 acres to the land-holding company of the massive Villages retirement development to build a new community.

Link to Orlando Sentinel: Villages wants to build new community in south Leesburg - Orlando Sentinel (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/lake/os-lk-villages-to-build-in-leesburg-20170505-story.html)

Note: See Post #38 for a revised picture.

[RedChariot]

They (The Villages) will eventually own all of central Florida. Oh well. It's fun to watch it all unfold.

[drcar]

NOW that will be a LONG cart ride!!!!!

[kansasr]

This property in Lake County is contiguous with the developer's newly announced property that's in Sumter County north of the turnpike and south and west of CR468.....we will all be connected.

[billethkid]

Great opportunity for a mono rail transportation/sight see system.

[karostay]

Think it' time to get while the geten's good

[RickeyD]

Skirting a turnpike/interstate/expressway is always the least desirable place to build residential homes. Even with concrete walls the noise will be continuous from dawn to dusk to dawn. Forget about sitting out on your lanai and listening to the wildlife or simply enjoying peace and quiet. The constant drone of cars and 18 wheelers isn't my idea of a peaceful retirement.

[manaboutown]

The developers are clearly making a significant long term substantial commitment to further growth rather than selling out, walking away and going on to other ventures or retiring to easy lives. Good for them! They know the turf so to speak (pardon the pun).

[Sashss]

Skirting a turnpike/interstate/expressway is always the least desirable place to build residential homes. Even with concrete walls the noise will be continuous from dawn to dusk to dawn. Forget about sitting out on your lanai and listening to the wildlife or simply enjoying peace and quiet. The constant drone of cars and 18 wheelers isn't my idea of a peaceful retirement.
Build golf courses near the turnpike. That will attract people passing by to come in and see what TV is all about.

[SALYBOW]

They better put in more town squares and through streets Morse and Buena :spoken:vista are already too crowded.

[Allegiance]

Great news, the longer the developers are tied to the villages the better.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Skirting a turnpike/interstate/expressway is always the least desirable place to build residential homes. Even with concrete walls the noise will be continuous from dawn to dusk to dawn. Forget about sitting out on your lanai and listening to the wildlife or simply enjoying peace and quiet. The constant drone of cars and 18 wheelers isn't my idea of a peaceful retirement.

Just speculation, but hopefully they'll use that property adjacent to the turnpike for new championship courses with a big berm separating it from the traffic noise like Summer Glen has.....

[golf2140]

Must give them credit by keeping the contractors working. A lot of companies have made good money !!!!!!

[dotti105]

This is a great opportunity for Leesburg as well as for The Villages. This will increase their tax base and hopefully bring more jobs to the area. This 3 county area is one of the poorest areas in Florida. The Villages has given the economy a huge boost and will continue to do so as long as they keep building homes. Sounds like a Win/Win for everyone.

[TheDude]

Most of us are in our home 16 hours+ a day. Enjoy the lifestyle, the people making money aren't going to do anything to take away their base. If we look good, they look good. I say build from west coast to the east as I welcome the long golf car rides to Tampa. Sorry electric carts.

[John_W]

I would be interested if they started building in the Tarpon Springs to New Port Richey area, but probably the prices would be out of my reach. I grew up in St. Petersburg and I always miss not being near the water.

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[2BNTV]

Great news, the longer the developers are tied to the villages the better.

I remember when I first joined TOTV several years ago and some people expressed concern the developer would leave after build out and TV would become rundown.

Still waiting............... :smiley:

Most of us will be long gone when and if the developer ever decides to leave, or stop building. I am not holding my breath. :D

[kansasr]

This is a great opportunity for Leesburg as well as for The Villages. This will increase their tax base and hopefully bring more jobs to the area. This 3 county area is one of the poorest areas in Florida. The Villages has given the economy a huge boost and will continue to do so as long as they keep building homes. Sounds like a Win/Win for everyone.

Actually Lake is #24, Sumter #29 and Marion #36.....hardly the 3 poorest areas in Florida!

[perrjojo]

I remember when I first joined TOTV several years ago and some people expressed concern the developer would leave after build out and TV would become rundown.

Still waiting............... :smiley:

Most of us will be long gone when and if the developer ever decides to leave, or stop building. I am not holding my breath. :D

It's amazing, isn't it? Some complain the greedy developer keeps building more and others complain the greedy developer will take the money and run.

[JP]

Great news, the longer the developers are tied to the villages the better.

Right on. Glad to see continued growth and development.

[RickeyD]

Great news, the longer the developers are tied to the villages the better.



Your post is bittersweet, yes having the developer still around binds them to keeping things nice around here but I'm apprehensive as to what this will do to my house equity. Over saturation of housing is never a good thing for a variety of reasons plus the current buyers are mostly baby boomers, which will peak by 2027-2032. Who will buy into this paradise after that ? Defined benefit plans are almost obsolete, Social Security cash benefits will be reduced, service jobs are grabbing an ever increasing share of the job market, globalization will continue with an ever decreasing size of the American middle class.
As it is right now, my model home with a golf course view north of 466 can go for less than 350K. South of 466A its more like 475K plus. Same house, same city, same amenities, same everything AND the older model has more property, is closer to all shopping, and hooked to natural gas with CHEAPER TAXES. What accounts for this disparity ? Newer homes seemingly are more desirable and prices are driven up. Newcomers like the smell of new drywall/paint and that pioneer feeling of getting in on the proverbial ground floor.
The new development will do the same to those living north of SR44 what it has to those north of 466.
These are my thoughts.

[Allegiance]

All probably true, I guess I am a frog, not that interested in resale but like the stability of the developers being here.

[RickeyD]

All probably true, I guess I am a frog, not that interested in resale but like the stability of the developers being here.



I'm a frog as well. But, if I run out of money in 35 years it would be nice to draw from a reverse mortgage a higher payment because of higher equity. My only concern.

[Mrs. Robinson]

The developers are clearly making a significant long term substantial commitment to further growth rather than selling out, walking away and going on to other ventures or retiring to easy lives. Good for them! They know the turf so to speak (pardon the pun).

I don't think that "selling out," "walking away," etc.,
has even been a thought that the developers ever entertained.

[Bonnevie]

Your post is bittersweet, yes having the developer still around binds them to keeping things nice around here but I'm apprehensive as to what this will do to my house equity. Over saturation of housing is never a good thing for a variety of reasons plus the current buyers are mostly baby boomers, which will peak by 2027-2032. Who will buy into this paradise after that ? Defined benefit plans are almost obsolete, Social Security cash benefits will be reduced, service jobs are grabbing an ever increasing share of the job market, globalization will continue with an ever decreasing size of the American middle class.
As it is right now, my model home with a golf course view north of 466 can go for less than 350K. South of 466A its more like 475K plus. Same house, same city, same amenities, same everything AND the older model has more property, is closer to all shopping, and hooked to natural gas with CHEAPER TAXES. What accounts for this disparity ? Newer homes seemingly are more desirable and prices are driven up. Newcomers like the smell of new drywall/paint and that pioneer feeling of getting in on the proverbial ground floor.
The new development will do the same to those living north of SR44 what it has to those north of 466.
These are my thoughts.

This is exactly how I feel as well. It was actually one of the reasons I bought a lower priced villa. Any improvements I make are simply things I want, not in the hopes of future resale. I was wondering if Fenney and the future developments won't be marketed as the "new" Villages.


My villa will go to my son when I die and I expect most people's children will inherit. I'm hoping they'll want to keep it for their retirements and thus keep things up.

[Mrs. Robinson]

Skirting a turnpike/interstate/expressway is always the least desirable place to build residential homes. Even with concrete walls the noise will be continuous from dawn to dusk to dawn. Forget about sitting out on your lanai and listening to the wildlife or simply enjoying peace and quiet. The constant drone of cars and 18 wheelers isn't my idea of a peaceful retirement.

The three determining factors for properties selling are price, location and condition. Price is always king and thousands of people already live adjacent to the Turnpike. Noise is usually minimal because of a wall and landscaping and not what you might think. In addition, while you may not have wildlife you will have privacy. Not everyone thinks the way you do and the houses built along a wall will sell.

Just a thought, but perhaps this is a community where there should be no age restriction. The Leesburg area is different from TV in all respects and perhaps by removing the 55+ age requirement, it will appeal to a larger audience. Not everything the developers build has to be an age restricted community.

[thelegges]

I highly doubt I'll be around in 35 years to see what the baby boomers going to do. As for my kids whatever they get out of the house is free money. I enjoy the moment not what's down the road and not going to worry about things I cannot change.

[Mrs. Robinson]

It's amazing, isn't it? Some complain the greedy developer keeps building more and others complain the greedy developer will take the money and run.

I have voiced my opinion many times regarding the greed of the developers, but it never had to do with the ongoing construction of new homes or the thought of them to stop building.

The greed is apparent in a number of other ways -- just not the growth of TV in neighboring areas.

[John_W]

I remember a post about 5 years ago when they crossed 466A. Someone asked when do you think they'll reach build out? A poster wrote, when they reach Orlando, that doesn't sound so impossible anymore.

[billethkid]

I wonder what the folks who lived north of 466 (not 466 A) .....all 30,000 plus of them.....thought when they saw the widening of 466 and the first traffic circles on Morse and Buena Vista and then Lake Sumter Landing and all the retail dining and shopping that started to arrive......and the significant increase in the prices of their homes.

Patio Villas for less than $100,000? Take your pick.

So those who have only arrived since the doubling of size of TV need to talk to those who have experienced it doubling......MORE THAN ONCE!!!

It has been nothing but good.

[RickeyD]

Looking at this months "The Villages Magazine" I noticed something small but I think significant. On the second page of the center circular shows a map of the Villages. The Brownwood area has been renamed Brownwood/Fenney.
Just an observation.

[RickeyD]

The three determining factors for properties selling are price, location and condition. Price is always king and thousands of people already live adjacent to the Turnpike. Noise is usually minimal because of a wall and landscaping and not what you might think. In addition, while you may not have wildlife you will have privacy. Not everyone thinks the way you do and the houses built along a wall will sell.



Just a thought, but perhaps this is a community where there should be no age restriction. The Leesberg area is different from TV in all respects and perhaps by removing the 55+ age requirement, it will appeal to a larger audience. Not everything the developers build has to be an age restricted community.



It would make a perfect bedroom community for those work commuting to/from the Orlando area.

[justjim]

Looking at this months "The Villages Magazine" I noticed something small but I think significant. On the second page of the center circular shows a map of the Villages. The Brownwood area has been renamed Brownwood/Fenney.
Just an observation.

The Village Developer has a large investment in Brownwood. In addition to keeping his key contractors working, (And I think they really do care about their employees) the building south of 44 protects the millions invested in Brownwood. :beer3:

[Duppa]

I admit, I'm scratching my head on this one... An allied TV-like community? Hmmm... if it's not golf-cart accessible between units (which is THE organizational rule of TV expansion) then is this purchase some sort of parallel TV universe, a same but different expansion? The greater minds of TV are up to something, and it must be something big?

[Topspinmo]

Some people like being on the dark side of the moon. Really no golden rule what makes the villages. If they sell, it worked.

[TheDude]

The Village Developer has a large investment in Brownwood. In addition to keeping his key contractors working, (And I think they really do care about their employees) the building south of 44 protects the millions invested in Brownwood. :beer3:

When are the developers going to get interesting things in Brownwood. And I have been to all these places.

Movie theater is A+
City Fire is a C+
Dunkin does what it is suppose to do so B
Pet Store, A
Hair place, B
Nails C
Italian place, C
Wall of Beer C
German place C
Spice Store A-
Bike Store A-/B+
Ticket office A+
Brownwood Sales office: B
MVP (undecided)
Clothing Stores D
Tourist Stores D
McAllister's: A- Best in Brownwood to eat
Five Guys: C- good food, dirty place
TooJays: D
Cody's C
Med Supply story (closed)
Golf Cart Store: A
Insurance: A

Basically some great places, but BORING!!!!!

Step up the game

Bonus:
Market Saturday is an F
(the veggies and fruit sold aren't from farms of the sellers. Flies and bugs around the pasties and bread. One guy has a truck of rocks he sells (god bless him, nice rocks). Publix seems better.

[dewilson58]

It's amazing, isn't it? Some complain the greedy developer keeps building more and others complain the greedy developer will take the money and run.

And the final group just complains to complain. What a sad life for those. When their glass gets 1/2 full, they should get a refill.

;)

[champion6]

A picture from today's Daily Sun. The property is larger than what is shown in the picture on Post #1.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

The Village Developer has a large investment in Brownwood. In addition to keeping his key contractors working, (And I think they really do care about their employees) the building south of 44 protects the millions invested in Brownwood. :beer3:

It never made sense to me that they built Brownwood on the very edge of The Villages. It seemed that you would a town square more centrally located. Now it will be.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

When are the developers going to get interesting things in Brownwood. And I have been to all these places.

Movie theater is A+
City Fire is a C+
Dunkin does what it is suppose to do so B
Pet Store, A
Hair place, B
Nails C
Italian place, C
Wall of Beer C
German place C
Spice Store A-
Bike Store A-/B+
Ticket office A+
Brownwood Sales office: B
MVP (undecided)
Clothing Stores D
Tourist Stores D
McAllister's: A- Best in Brownwood to eat
Five Guys: C- good food, dirty place
TooJays: D
Cody's C
Med Supply story (closed)
Golf Cart Store: A
Insurance: A

Basically some great places, but BORING!!!!!

Step up the game

Bonus:
Market Saturday is an F
(the veggies and fruit sold aren't from farms of the sellers. Flies and bugs around the pasties and bread. One guy has a truck of rocks he sells (god bless him, nice rocks). Publix seems better.

I think that we're going to find that the businesses in the three town squares will be very similar. They are not meant to give variety to the residents but rather to have these businesses close to resdients.

In other words, residents of Fenny and Southern Oaks and whatever else is built south of 44 will not have to travel all the way to LSL to eat at Toojays.

[skip0358]

I suggest everyone attend or watch the meeting with the Morse Family when the expansion will be explained. As for the lack of stores in Brownwood as more people come to the area so will the stores. If with all the announced expansion a few of the Big Box Stores don't come into the area ( Not TV ) then they're just crazy.

[NJblue]

So those who have only arrived since the doubling of size of TV need to talk to those who have experienced it doubling......MORE THAN ONCE!!!

It has been nothing but good.

Really? Nothing but good? I have only been here a little over 8 years and from my perspective the unabated growth has only made the quality of life worse. The traffic on the main arteries, has become much worse; in what other retirement community in the country must you take into account traffic delays to get from one part of the community to the other? Tee times, especially during the winter on the executive courses are much harder to get. To get a parking space in Colony Plaza during the winter requires you to follow people out to their car just like the malls up North at Christmas time. Trying to get a time to swim or walk in one of the exercise pools now is very difficult. I am hard pressed to think of anything positive that has come about by the unrestrained growth.

I moved to Central New Jersey in the early 70s and at that time it was a very pleasant place to live with uncongested highways and lots of open space and farms. Over the years of continued growth and sprawl it eventually became a place that was no longer a great place to live. I fear that the same thing will happen here.

[NJblue]

It never made sense to me that they built Brownwood on the very edge of The Villages. It seemed that you would a town square more centrally located. Now it will be.

How the issue of town squares unfolds will be interesting to follow. Even without the additional property that has been acquired, the people in Fenney and the other villages south of 44 will have a much longer golf cart ride to get to a town square than any other people in The Villages. With building going on as far south as below Leesburg, I can only imagine that yet another town square will have to be built if they want the people buying down there to buy into the concept of the golf cart lifestyle of The Villages.

[pauld315]

When are the developers going to get interesting things in Brownwood. And I have been to all these places.

Movie theater is A+
City Fire is a C+
Dunkin does what it is suppose to do so B
Pet Store, A
Hair place, B
Nails C
Italian place, C
Wall of Beer C
German place C
Spice Store A-
Bike Store A-/B+
Ticket office A+
Brownwood Sales office: B
MVP (undecided)
Clothing Stores D
Tourist Stores D
McAllister's: A- Best in Brownwood to eat
Five Guys: C- good food, dirty place
TooJays: D
Cody's C
Med Supply story (closed)
Golf Cart Store: A
Insurance: A

Basically some great places, but BORING!!!!!

Step up the game

Bonus:
Market Saturday is an F
(the veggies and fruit sold aren't from farms of the sellers. Flies and bugs around the pasties and bread. One guy has a truck of rocks he sells (god bless him, nice rocks). Publix seems better.

One person's C is another person's A and vice versa. You can't please all the people all the time.

[pauld315]

How the issue of town squares unfolds will be interesting to follow. Even without the additional property that has been acquired, the people in Fenney and the other villages south of 44 will have a much longer golf cart ride to get to a town square than any other people in The Villages. With building going on as far south as below Leesburg, I can only imagine that yet another town square will have to be built if they want the people buying down there to buy into the concept of the golf cart lifestyle of The Villages.

How much longer is it actually going to be than it is today from Osceola Hills or Pine Hills to Brownwood on golf cart once all the streets etc are built south of 44 and there is a clear way people on golf carts will traverse to Brownwood? It is a long way on a golf cart to Brownwood today from both of those villages. Guess we will have to see when it is developed.

[pauld315]

The bigger news from yesterday happened in Wildwood where the Villages of Southern Oaks was given approval to build up to 11000 new homes on 4518 acres. I think the whole area from 466A to 44 was about 10,000 homes and this is only part of the land that is being developed south of 44. It didn't say when development would start.

[njbchbum]

How much longer is it actually going to be than it is today from Osceola Hills or Pine Hills to Brownwood on golf cart once all the streets etc are built south of 44 and there is a clear way people on golf carts will traverse to Brownwood? It is a long way on a golf cart to Brownwood today from both of those villages. Guess we will have to see when it is developed.

It is sure a whole lot closer getting to Brownwood from the new villages than it is getting to Brownwood from the original villages!!!!!

[pauld315]

It is sure a whole lot closer getting to Brownwood from the new villages than it is getting to Brownwood from the original villages!!!!!

Sure have to agree with that.

[Mleeja]

Really? Nothing but good? I have only been here a little over 8 years and from my perspective the unabated growth has only made the quality of life worse. The traffic on the main arteries, has become much worse; in what other retirement community in the country must you take into account traffic delays to get from one part of the community to the other? Tee times, especially during the winter on the executive courses are much harder to get. To get a parking space in Colony Plaza during the winter requires you to follow people out to their car just like the malls up North at Christmas time. Trying to get a time to swim or walk in one of the exercise pools now is very difficult. I am hard pressed to think of anything positive that has come about by the unrestrained growth.

I moved to Central New Jersey in the early 70s and at that time it was a very pleasant place to live with uncongested highways and lots of open space and farms. Over the years of continued growth and sprawl it eventually became a place that was no longer a great place to live. I fear that the same thing will happen here.

Where you currently live in TV will be mpacted differently by the expansion. If you live north of 466, Fenney or Southern Oaks will very little impact on your daily life. Fenney folks are not going to be playing the executive golf courses up here or not going to the restaurants in Spanish Springs, Mulberry, or Southern Trace.

If you live on the far southern end of TV, it might be a different story.

[GaryW]

They better put in more town squares and through streets Morse and Buena :spoken:vista are already too crowded.
Go there about 901pm, no one home then. :beer3::pepper2::eclipsee_gold_cup:

[JoMar]

Really? Nothing but good? I have only been here a little over 8 years and from my perspective the unabated growth has only made the quality of life worse. The traffic on the main arteries, has become much worse; in what other retirement community in the country must you take into account traffic delays to get from one part of the community to the other? Tee times, especially during the winter on the executive courses are much harder to get. To get a parking space in Colony Plaza during the winter requires you to follow people out to their car just like the malls up North at Christmas time. Trying to get a time to swim or walk in one of the exercise pools now is very difficult. I am hard pressed to think of anything positive that has come about by the unrestrained growth.

I moved to Central New Jersey in the early 70s and at that time it was a very pleasant place to live with uncongested highways and lots of open space and farms. Over the years of continued growth and sprawl it eventually became a place that was no longer a great place to live. I fear that the same thing will happen here.

It all depends on what you are looking for. Assuming you could find another retirement community that match's TV it would have the same issues since people gather in communities that meet their personal needs. People move in and people move out depending on their personal needs which is what makes this place a dynamic place to live. I find it confusing why people that find stuff to complain about stay here but maybe that's what fulfills their personal needs.

[Gordon82]

The bigger news from yesterday happened in Wildwood where the Villages of Southern Oaks was given approval to build up to 11000 new homes on 4518 acres. I think the whole area from 466A to 44 was about 10,000 homes and this is only part of the land that is being developed south of 44. It didn't say when development would start.

I am confused about the current number of homes/acreage totals that have been released. Before the Leesburg announcement yesterday, I thought the total of everything below 44 was 8000 acres and 14,000 homes. The Leesburg property is another 2000 acres, and I haven't heard how many homes are planned for that property and don't think that has been worked out.

Is the 11,000 homes referred to above part of the 14,000 homes below 44? That seems like too many since Fenney will have about 4,000 itself, and there will be 4 or 5 other villages as well.

From what I can tell, the final totals for everything south of 44 that has been announced thus far will be 10,000 acres and probably between 16,000 and 17,000 homes, depending on how many they put on the Leesburg property that was just acquired.

[NYGUY]

How the issue of town squares unfolds will be interesting to follow. Even without the additional property that has been acquired, the people in Fenney and the other villages south of 44 will have a much longer golf cart ride to get to a town square than any other people in The Villages. With building going on as far south as below Leesburg, I can only imagine that yet another town square will have to be built if they want the people buying down there to buy into the concept of the golf cart lifestyle of The Villages.

I believe it has already been announced that a new town square (or round) will be built south of 44 and golf cart access is planed over/under 44 at Morse.

[NJblue]

It all depends on what you are looking for. Assuming you could find another retirement community that match's TV it would have the same issues since people gather in communities that meet their personal needs. People move in and people move out depending on their personal needs which is what makes this place a dynamic place to live. I find it confusing why people that find stuff to complain about stay here but maybe that's what fulfills their personal needs.

You make it sound like the issue of moving is nothing more than snapping one's fingers and being instantly transported to a new community. When we bought here we thought we had found the perfectly sized community - large enough to offer good amenities but not so large that it felt like suburban sprawl. This was going to be our final home.

We were told by the person who was VP of sales that once the original area south of 466A was completed, that would be the end of the development (not just the end of planned development.) This was later confirmed by the Daily Sun when they began selling south of 466A. Large headlines said "Final Phase", buy now before it's too late. Then Fruitland Park happened - again advertised as "final phase". What was once the perfect community for us is now morphing into this giant soul-less sprawl that we moved away from. If raising an objection to being duped is "whining" then so be it.

What I find confusing is those who rejoice in the fact that the sprawl will continue. They are quick to label those who raise legitimate objections as "whiners", but never list the reasons why they are so excited by the growth. It's almost as if the only thing they have in their lives is the "excitement" of seeing trees bulldozed and houses being built and the affirmation that they are living in the fastest growing area in the country.

[NJblue]

I believe it has already been announced that a new town square (or round) will be built south of 44 and golf cart access is planed over/under 44 at Morse.
If that is the case, the sales people down at Fenney are not aware of it. We spoke with them today and the best that they could come up with is that it might make sense that a new square might be built. As of now, the only thing that has been committed to is the Fenney Recreation Center which will have a grill to buy burgers and things.

[Polar Bear]

You make it sound like the issue of moving is nothing more than snapping one's fingers and being instantly transported to a new community. When we bought here we thought we had found the perfectly sized community - large enough to offer good amenities but not so large that it felt like suburban sprawl. This was going to be our final home.

We were told by the person who was VP of sales that once the original area south of 466A was completed, that would be the end of the development (not just the end of planned development.) This was later confirmed by the Daily Sun when they began selling south of 466A. Large headlines said "Final Phase", buy now before it's too late. Then Fruitland Park happened - again advertised as "final phase". What was once the perfect community for us is now morphing into this giant soul-less sprawl that we moved away from. If raising an objection to being duped is "whining" then so be it.

What I find confusing is those who rejoice in the fact that the sprawl will continue. They are quick to label those who raise legitimate objections as "whiners", but never list the reasons why they are so excited by the growth. It's almost as if the only thing they have in their lives is the "excitement" of seeing trees bulldozed and houses being built and the affirmation that they are living in the fastest growing area in the country.
Anybody who believes somebody who talks of a final phase, or build out, or anything similar, is setting themselves up for disappointment right from the get-go, especially with your aversion to growth.

Also, you are confusing many peoples' comfort with a well planned, growing community with a lust for growth. Two very different things.

And when you compare growth in TV to a Jersey type soulless sprawl, you've lost a lot of credibility imho.

[graciegirl]

Anybody who believes somebody who talks of a final phase, or build out, or anything similar, is setting themselves up for disappointment right from the get-go, especially with your aversion to growth.

Also, you are confusing many peoples' comfort with a well planned, growing community with a lust for growth. Two very different things.

And when you compare growth in TV to a Jersey type soulless sprawl, you've lost a lot of credibility imho.

I was fixin' to say the same thing but it just would never sound as good as your post.

I SO agree.

[JoMar]

You make it sound like the issue of moving is nothing more than snapping one's fingers and being instantly transported to a new community. When we bought here we thought we had found the perfectly sized community - large enough to offer good amenities but not so large that it felt like suburban sprawl. This was going to be our final home.

We were told by the person who was VP of sales that once the original area south of 466A was completed, that would be the end of the development (not just the end of planned development.) This was later confirmed by the Daily Sun when they began selling south of 466A. Large headlines said "Final Phase", buy now before it's too late. Then Fruitland Park happened - again advertised as "final phase". What was once the perfect community for us is now morphing into this giant soul-less sprawl that we moved away from. If raising an objection to being duped is "whining" then so be it.

What I find confusing is those who rejoice in the fact that the sprawl will continue. They are quick to label those who raise legitimate objections as "whiners", but never list the reasons why they are so excited by the growth. It's almost as if the only thing they have in their lives is the "excitement" of seeing trees bulldozed and houses being built and the affirmation that they are living in the fastest growing area in the country.

I came from PA and worked in NJ and when we decided to move here we were told the same thing, and that was what the sales folks knew at the time. We expected growth to continue since the entire State has been growing. TV provides a community many of us enjoy and understand that the sprawl here is to our benefit. Moving to another place is not difficult, may take a couple months but people leave here all the time because they feel the way you do. The legitimate objections you raise are legitimate to you and that's great, but your objections do not speak to those of us that love it here. When we stop loving it we will move.....we control our lives, not the developer or sales force.

[Uberschaf]

When they built Pine Ridge I called them Fruit flies, Now I am buying and moving to a new home there.I have been in the village of Duval for over 5 years,belong to many clubs and have many friends from 42 to 44 and this place just keeps gettin' better. Long Live The Villages. I also agree with gg they are doing the best.

[kcrazorbackfan]

My wife and I are both retired Law Enforcement; me State, her Federal. We were discussing this mornings headline and she pretty much summed up our feelings about the expansion of The Villages when she said "the expansion will insulate us more from the trash, riffraff and, in general, a**holes that we dealt with all of our careers".

We now live in the central part of TV (in the future, probably north central) and the more property the Developers acquire, the bigger the bubble will be; bring it on.

[njbchbum]

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What I find confusing is those who rejoice in the fact that the sprawl will continue. They are quick to label those who raise legitimate objections as "whiners", but never list the reasons why they are so excited by the growth. It's almost as if the only thing they have in their lives is the "excitement" of seeing trees bulldozed and houses being built and the affirmation that they are living in the fastest growing area in the country.

Residents who are happy that expansion continues are comforted by the fact that it likely means that the developer will be around for at least the time it takes to complete each expanded area. Which in turn is reassuring that the developer will still be hands on in the overall affairs of The Villages.

The greatest fear of many is the day that the developer turns decision making and budgeting/spending over to the residents!

[Fraugoofy]

Where you currently live in TV will be mpacted differently by the expansion. If you live north of 466, Fenney or Southern Oaks will very little impact on your daily life. Fenney folks are not going to be playing the executive golf courses up here or not going to the restaurants in Spanish Springs, Mulberry, or Southern Trace.

If you live on the far southern end of TV, it might be a different story.
I agree with you, mleeja. Lynnhaven has so many pools to choose from (Belvedere, Tall Trees, Lynnhaven, Pimlico, Churchill, Ashland, Bonnybrook, Summerhill) that if one is busy, I just move on to the next. Even in the dead of winter I can find activities and sunshine...

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[thelegges]

If that is the case, the sales people down at Fenney are not aware of it. We spoke with them today and the best that they could come up with is that it might make sense that a new square might be built. As of now, the only thing that has been committed to is the Fenney Recreation Center which will have a grill to buy burgers and things.

Our sales rep told us there would be another TOWN, but could be round oval, or whatever but definitely another TOWN something.

[pauld315]

Our sales rep told us there would be another TOWN, but could be round oval, or whatever but definitely another TOWN something.

The sales reps are speculating. They typically don't know anything until it is announced or a day before the announcement to the general public. It certainly makes sense that there will be something new built down there but until it is officially announced it is a rumor and speculation. I don't believe there has been an official announcement about a new town square yet, has there ? Maybe the Morse's will announce it tonight at the event !

[twoplanekid]

Residents who are happy that expansion continues are comforted by the fact that it likely means that the developer will be around for at least the time it takes to complete each expanded area. Which in turn is reassuring that the developer will still be hands on in the overall affairs of The Villages.

The greatest fear of many is the day that the developer turns decision making and budgeting/spending over to the residents!

Please read the CDD rules and regulations as found in Chapter 190 of the Florida Statutes!

[Schaumburger]

I am confused about the current number of homes/acreage totals that have been released. Before the Leesburg announcement yesterday, I thought the total of everything below 44 was 8000 acres and 14,000 homes. The Leesburg property is another 2000 acres, and I haven't heard how many homes are planned for that property and don't think that has been worked out.

Is the 11,000 homes referred to above part of the 14,000 homes below 44? That seems like too many since Fenney will have about 4,000 itself, and there will be 4 or 5 other villages as well.

From what I can tell, the final totals for everything south of 44 that has been announced thus far will be 10,000 acres and probably between 16,000 and 17,000 homes, depending on how many they put on the Leesburg property that was just acquired.

Doing some math calculations . . . Say the developer can build 250 homes a month (is that possible?) 11,000 homes built at the rate of 250 homes a month would take 44 months. 16,000 homes built at the rate of 250 homes a month would take 64 months. That's good news for us TV wannabees/future villagers and also for the construction workers, electricians, plumbers, roofers, etc. who need to put food on their tables and a roof over their heads.

[Mrs. Robinson]

I suggest everyone attend or watch the meeting with the Morse Family when the expansion will be explained. As for the lack of stores in Brownwood as more people come to the area so will the stores. If with all the announced expansion a few of the Big Box Stores don't come into the area ( Not TV ) then they're just crazy.

I agree that with the expansion of TV down at the southern end, the shops in Brownwood will also expand, in addition to more building there on the vacant land.

However, after 4+ years, there still should be more occupied stores than what is currently there.

Do you think the high rentals in addition to the percentage of the receipts they get, could have something to do with all the empty stores??? :shrug:

[slipcovers]

I agree that with the expansion of TV down at the southern end, the shops in Brownwood will also expand, in addition to more building there on the vacant land.

However, after 4+ years, there still should be more occupied stores than what is currently there.

Do you think the high rentals in addition to the percentage of the receipts they get, could have something to do with all the empty stores??? :shrug:

There are empty stores everywhere, especially strip malls. People are buying online more and more. Small businesses are not able to compete with big box stores.

I hardly ever see anyone walking around the squares with shopping bags, just ice cream cones.

[davet]

After the baby boomers are gone will all these 55 plus developments across the country become low income. We wont have to worry about it but future generations will have to. Maybe they will tear the houses down and grow forest and orange groves.

[Polar Bear]

After the baby boomers are gone will all these 55 plus developments across the country become low income. We wont have to worry about it but future generations will have to...
Spoken like a man with a crystal ball. Too bad predicting the future isn't as easy as you make it sound.

[golfing eagles]

After the baby boomers are gone will all these 55 plus developments across the country become low income. We wont have to worry about it but future generations will have to. Maybe they will tear the houses down and grow forest and orange groves.

More Millennials than Baby Boomers at this point, we just have to get them to take up golf

[dbussone]

After the baby boomers are gone will all these 55 plus developments across the country become low income. We wont have to worry about it but future generations will have to. Maybe they will tear the houses down and grow forest and orange groves.



I wouldn't worry about it during your lifetime:

https://www.census.gov/prod/2014pubs/p25-1140.pdf



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[CFrance]

More Millennials than Baby Boomers at this point, we just have to get them to take up golf
They do not like golf because it takes too long and costs too much. Have to figure out how they can play golf in a half-hour, for free.