How will golf carts cross the Turnpike to the new villages

[zummy]

Anyone know?

[Uberschaf]

Spacely's Space Sprockets,of course.

[thelegges]

Tunnels :shrug:

[kcrazorbackfan]

A tunnel; a bridge like over 27/441 would be too costly, time consuming and unsafe; just my opinion.

[Allegiance]

Is there not already a cattle bridge that can me used for carts?

[DonH57]

A very, very, very long jump ramp modeled after the old hot wheels sets I'm thinking. I'll stay north of turnpike thank ya!

[Rickg]

My guess is the Baily bridge. Which is just south of the service plaza. It was originally a farm bridge and is a perfect golf cart bridge. Oh BTW, the Villages already owns the property on the north side and is VERY close on the south side. Look at Google maps satellite view. :spoken:

[ColdNoMore]

My guess is the Baily bridge. Which is just south of the service plaza. It was originally a farm bridge and is a perfect golf cart bridge. Oh BTW, the Villages already owns the property on the north side and is VERY close on the south side. Look at Google maps satellite view. :spoken:

Yep...this one.

[GaryW]

Yep...this one.

That be the one. Just south of the Service Plaza. Heck of a cart ride to Brownwood and need a week vacation to get to Spanish SPrings. :MOJE_whot:

[Goldwingnut]

Have faith and a little patience, we will all know in good time when the plans eventually get revealed and needed by the developer.

If we glean the information that has been made public so far it is not hard to see up to four crossings:

the 468 interchange on the turnpike when (if) it is opened would be a perfect time to restructure the roadway to accommodate golf cart traffic near the large commercial that is planned,

the Baily bridge is the most obvious as they own one side already and will likely own the other in the not to distant future,

the extension of Buena Vista down to 468 that is being looked at would be a northern route across,

and the newest possibility would be a modification of the infrastructure at SR470 near the Leesburg expansion since they will own land on both sides of the Turnpike here when this deal is closed.

[NotGolfer]

Have faith and a little patience, we will all know in good time when the plans eventually get revealed and needed by the developer.

If we glean the information that has been made public so far it is not hard to see up to four crossings:

the 468 interchange on the turnpike when (if) it is opened would be a perfect time to restructure the roadway to accommodate golf cart traffic near the large commercial that is planned,

the Baily bridge is the most obvious as they own one side already and will likely own the other in the not to distant future,

the extension of Buena Vista down to 468 that is being looked at would be a northern route across,

and the newest possibility would be a modification of the infrastructure at SR470 near the Leesburg expansion since they will own land on both sides of the Turnpike here when this deal is closed.

Good point on ALL that the developer will be doing...be patient folks as the information will evolve as we "need to know".

[rcpds]

IMO ... they've already been approved to extend Buena Vista ... with this extension, they'll most likely build a bridge over the turnpike ... they'll probably make it wide enough for traffic & golf cart lanes ... hence getting access to the southern Villages district

[DARFAP]

Ferry

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[Shimpy]

That be the one. Just south of the Service Plaza. Heck of a cart ride to Brownwood and need a week vacation to get to Spanish SPrings. :MOJE_whot:
At least an overnighter.

[villagetinker]

Actually TV is now getting so large it might be a nice idea to see if we could get a shuttle running between all of the squares and down to Fenny, with 'shared' or rentable golf carts at each end. Not sure if this is practical, just a thought, I will be interested to see the comments and suggestions. The idea would be a continuous running shuttle, no schedule, just say every 15, 20, 30 minutes between the hours of x and y. Golf cart rental could be waved or reduced if used for golfing, or shopping. I think the possibilities could be interesting. Think of a mass transit system based on buses and golf carts. Lots of details to work out and consider, but there is a great group of people here, maybe this could work.....

[golfing eagles]

Actually TV is now getting so large it might be a nice idea to see if we could get a shuttle running between all of the squares and down to Fenny, with 'shared' or rentable golf carts at each end. Not sure if this is practical, just a thought, I will be interested to see the comments and suggestions. The idea would be a continuous running shuttle, no schedule, just say every 15, 20, 30 minutes between the hours of x and y. Golf cart rental could be waved or reduced if used for golfing, or shopping. I think the possibilities could be interesting. Think of a mass transit system based on buses and golf carts. Lots of details to work out and consider, but there is a great group of people here, maybe this could work.....

How about a golf cart carrier shuttle, just like a car carrier or the auto train?

[DonH57]

We'll need a service plaza for the cart path as well.

[Shimpy]

A tunnel; a bridge like over 27/441 would be too costly, time consuming and unsafe; just my opinion.

I would think tunneling under an existing road would be more expensive since the soil under is sand and the need to support the road above. All tunnels I've seen here were built first and then the road built over them. I guess that's what engineers are for.

[villagetinker]

Word just out, there was an additional land purchase, and it was announced that there will be a bridge over RT 44 to get from Brownwood to Fenny.

[Nucky]

Tunnel's Good. Bridge N.G.

[dewilson58]

Anyone know?


Quickly.

[Cedwards38]

Quickly.

:1rotfl:

That would give a whole new definition to the game Frogger as it relates to The Villages.

Frogger - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okm0VtF2gH8)

[kstew43]

Is there not already a cattle bridge that can me used for carts?

The is a bridge built previously as you said and TV now owns all the land surrounding it.

Thats how they can get the golf carts to 44 and beyond.

[zummy]

You still need to get over the turnpike

[ColdNoMore]

You still need to get over the turnpike

See post #8.

[HoosierPa]

TV only owns land on one side of Bailey Bridge plus it is too far Southeast

[champion6]

Anyone know?From May 15 Daily Sun, C1:
"<snip> (Mark Morse) also announced the purchase of 359 acres just south of Buena Vista Boulevard that could provide access to the villages of Fenney and Southern Oaks via a bridge over Florida's Turnpike."

Presumably, Buena Vista would run southward on the west side of Lake Okahumpka, over the Turnpike at a location north of the Okahumpka Service Plaza, then southward to CR468 and to a tunnel that is planned to go under CR468.

[Dynsol]

Uber Drones ! ?:pepper2:

[golfing eagles]

I would think tunneling under an existing road would be more expensive since the soil under is sand and the need to support the road above. All tunnels I've seen here were built first and then the road built over them. I guess that's what engineers are for.

That's what they do. Lincoln Tunnel, Holland Tunnel---both a LOT longer and a LOT deeper, and the Hudson River was already there, all built with 1930's technology. Somebody on another thread commented that they can't build a tunnel wide enough for 2 cars to pass, much less golf carts. Seriously??? I think either way, tunnel or bridge, they will make it work

[ColdNoMore]

That's what they do. Lincoln Tunnel, Holland Tunnel---both a LOT longer and a LOT deeper, and the Hudson River was already there, all built with 1930's technology. Somebody on another thread commented that they can't build a tunnel wide enough for 2 cars to pass, much less golf carts. Seriously??? I think either way, tunnel or bridge, they will make it work

That's not even close to what was said. :oops:

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/1397672-post21.html

I am thinking that tunneling under a divided 4 lane turnpike, would be much more problematic (and expensive?), plus it would be hard to make it large enough to get a pickup sized vehicle from one side to the other...which I believe will be something they will want with this crossing.

I guess we will just have to wait and see. :shrug:

"Problematic" = Relatively large tunnel size needed for two pickups to pass due to lack of bedrock, needed strengthening for sandy soil, complicated drainage issues (and possible pumping needed) for high water table, mobilizing a boring machine since cut & cover wouldn't most likely be allowed across turnpike, etc., etc.

Please note that I did not say..."it can't be done." :ohdear:


Although different environmental conditions, some of the same issues of a tunnel versus a bridge...are covered in this article.

FACTSHEET: Why a bridge instead of a tunnel? | BC Gov News (https://news.gov.bc.ca/factsheets/why-a-bridge-instead-of-a-tunnel)


Just setting the record straight. :ho:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Anyone know?

Very carefully.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I would think tunneling under an existing road would be more expensive since the soil under is sand and the need to support the road above. All tunnels I've seen here were built first and then the road built over them. I guess that's what engineers are for.

Ever heard of The Big Dig in Boston? It's called the greatest engineering feat in history. But since it's been done, I don't know why it can't be done on a much smaller scale.

I heard a rumor that there is an existing tunnel under the turnpike that was once used as a cattle crossing.

[Nucky]

Ever heard of The Big Dig in Boston? It's called the greatest engineering feat in history. But since it's been done, I don't know why it can't be done on a much smaller scale.

I heard a rumor that there is an existing tunnel under the turnpike that was once used as a cattle crossing.

Bingo. :eclipsee_gold_cup: I believe this is the way to go, under. Either way the bill is going to be a whopper. Driving a Cart over the Pike seem's a little out of line for the customers I've seen driving Carts. Can you imagine something falling off a Cart into traffic? Not good.

[dbussone]

Ever heard of The Big Dig in Boston? It's called the greatest engineering feat in history. But since it's been done, I don't know why it can't be done on a much smaller scale.

I heard a rumor that there is an existing tunnel under the turnpike that was once used as a cattle crossing.



Your last sentence is accurate.

As for the dig, it was a massive project. Lots of contractors and politicians got rich. Originally scheduled to be a 4 year project, and cost $4B, it lasted almost 20 years and we're still paying for it because of the terrible workmanship. Multi-ton concrete tiles routinely fall from the roof and kill people. It also still leaks like a sieve.

By the way, Teddy Kennedy worked a deal where MA paid 25% and we (the Feds) paid 75%.


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[golfing eagles]

That's not even close to what was said. :oops:

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/1397672-post21.html



"Problematic" = Relatively large tunnel size needed for two pickups to pass due to lack of bedrock, needed strengthening for sandy soil, complicated drainage issues (and possible pumping needed) for high water table, mobilizing a boring machine since cut & cover wouldn't most likely be allowed across turnpike, etc., etc.

Please note that I did not say..."it can't be done." :ohdear:


Although different environmental conditions, some of the same issues of a tunnel versus a bridge...are covered in this article.

FACTSHEET: Why a bridge instead of a tunnel? | BC Gov News (https://news.gov.bc.ca/factsheets/why-a-bridge-instead-of-a-tunnel)


Just setting the record straight. :ho:

"I am thinking that tunneling under a divided 4 lane turnpike, would be much more problematic (and expensive?), plus it would be hard to make it large enough to get a pickup sized vehicle from one side to the other...which I believe will be something they will want with this crossing. "

OK, I took a little poetic license, my bad. But I wouldn't characterize it as "not even close" to what was said either. OMG, after the shock of agreeing with each other 4 or 5 times in a row, we are back to reality:beer3::beer3::beer3:

[ColdNoMore]

"I am thinking that tunneling under a divided 4 lane turnpike, would be much more problematic (and expensive?), plus it would be hard to make it large enough to get a pickup sized vehicle from one side to the other...which I believe will be something they will want with this crossing. "

OK, I took a little poetic license, my bad. But I wouldn't characterize it as "not even close" to what was said either. OMG, after the shock of agreeing with each other 4 or 5 times in a row, we are back to reality:beer3::beer3::beer3:

I accept your admission of being wrong. :ho:


:D

[ColdNoMore]

I heard a rumor that there is an existing tunnel under the turnpike that was once used as a cattle crossing.

Your last sentence is accurate.

Proof/link?

I'm not saying you're wrong, I would just like to see something on it. :shrug:




As for the dig, it was a massive project. Lots of contractors and politicians got rich. Originally scheduled to be a 4 year project, and cost $4B, it lasted almost 20 years and we're still paying for it because of the terrible workmanship. Multi-ton concrete tiles routinely fall from the roof and kill people. It also still leaks like a sieve.

By the way, Teddy Kennedy worked a deal where MA paid 25% and we (the Feds) paid 75%.


I have followed this project since inception and it is a monument to just about everything...NOT TO DO. :ohdear:

Big Dig - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Dig)

The Big Dig was the most expensive highway project in the US, and was plagued by cost overruns, delays, leaks, design flaws, charges of poor execution and use of substandard materials, criminal arrests, and one death.

The project was originally scheduled to be completed in 1998 at an estimated cost of $2.8 billion (in 1982 dollars, US$6.0 billion adjusted for inflation as of 2006). However, the project was completed only in December 2007, at a cost of over $14.6 billion ($8.08 billion in 1982 dollars, meaning a cost overrun of about 190%) as of 2006. The Boston Globe estimated that the project will ultimately cost $22 billion....

[Shimpy]

I think we all agree tunneling under the turnpike CAN be done only it would be very expensive. Might be cheaper to build a bridge or overpass. These overpasses consist of a ramp on each side, support columns in the medium of the turnpike and a fairly flat bridge over the highway. Still expensive but not an engineering headache.

[ColdNoMore]

I think we all agree tunneling under the turnpike CAN be done only it would be very expensive. Might be cheaper to build a bridge or overpass. These overpasses consist of a ramp on each side, support columns in the medium of the turnpike and a fairly flat bridge over the highway. Still expensive but not an engineering headache.

That's what I believe, but it will be interesting to see what 'they' finally decide to do. :shrug:

I just hope I'm around when they determine whether they will go across or under...Tampa Bay. :D

[skip0358]

There is a bridge down by the rest area where they just bought thr broperty. Not wide enough for car but fine for golf carts. Problem solved

[ColdNoMore]

There is a bridge down by the rest area where they just bought thr broperty. Not wide enough for car but fine for golf carts. Problem solved

See post #8.


However, in post #26 (in this thread) it was stated that existing Bailey Rd. bridge is too far away...and that the developer doesn't own the land on one side. :shrug:

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Your last sentence is accurate.

As for the dig, it was a massive project. Lots of contractors and politicians got rich. Originally scheduled to be a 4 year project, and cost $4B, it lasted almost 20 years and we're still paying for it because of the terrible workmanship. Multi-ton concrete tiles routinely fall from the roof and kill people. It also still leaks like a sieve.

By the way, Teddy Kennedy worked a deal where MA paid 25% and we (the Feds) paid 75%.


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I don't disagree with any of that. In fact I was never so disappointed as when I drove through that thing expecting to see something like I'd never seen before. It really hasn't helped the traffic situation at all. Another great example of Ted, "bringing home the bacon."

But, it is an example of how something can be done and without the Boston politicians and congress involved it would probably be done on time and one budget.

[dbussone]

Proof/link?



I'm not saying you're wrong, I would just like to see something on it. :shrug:













I have followed this project since inception and it is a monument to just about everything...NOT TO DO. :ohdear:



Big Dig - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Dig)


I did read it, but having trouble finding the link.

Until I can find the link, you might enjoy this:

Carpal Tunnel Syndrome : Surgery | Florida Hospital (https://www.floridahospital.com/carpal-tunnel-syndrome/surgery)



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[ColdNoMore]

I did read it, but having trouble finding the link.

Until I can find the link, you might enjoy this:

Carpal Tunnel Syndrome : Surgery | Florida Hospital (https://www.floridahospital.com/carpal-tunnel-syndrome/surgery)


Cute. :1rotfl:

[Shimpy]

I just hope I'm around when they determine whether they will go across or under...Tampa Bay. :D

LOL.....Add another option, a ferry. I would love putting my cart on a ferry crossing Tampa Bay.

[dbussone]

If TV goes far enough North, my brother owns the ferry house across the Parker River in Newbury MA. Original part of the house goes back to 1650.


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[Mleeja]

I don't see it mentioned here, but I believe on the first page in today's DS a comment was made the a tunnel would be built to connect the Villages on either side of the turnpike.

[ColdNoMore]

I don't see it mentioned here, but I believe on the first page in today's DS a comment was made the a tunnel would be built to connect the Villages on either side of the turnpike.

You made me go look. :D

In the 'C' section of today's paper, there is a comment about... "a land purchase of 52 acres at Morse Boulevard for a possible bridge across SR 44."

Then right next to it, is a comment about also... "purchasing 359 acres just south of Buena Vista Boulevard that could provide access to the Villages of Fenney and Southern Oaks via a tunnel under Florida's Turnpike."


Soo, I guess that tells us what the developer is thinking...as of now anyway.

Good catch! :thumbup:

[twoplanekid]

You made me go look. :D

In the 'C' section of today's paper, there is a comment about... "a land purchase of 52 acres at Morse Boulevard for a possible bridge across SR 44."

Then right next to it, is a comment about also... "purchasing 359 acres just south of Buena Vista Boulevard that could provide access to the Villages of Fenney and Southern Oaks via a tunnel under Florida's Turnpike."


Soo, I guess that tells us what the developer is thinking...as of now anyway.

Good catch! :thumbup:

a correction or clarification by our paper today "The Villages is exploring the possibility of a mult-modal bridge over the Florida Turnpike." I am happy to hear we are taking the high road! :icon_wink:

[ColdNoMore]

a correction or clarification by our paper today "The Villages is exploring the possibility of a mult-modal bridge over the Florida Turnpike." I a happy to hear we are taking the high road! :icon_wink:

That, in my mind at least...makes more sense.

Thanks for the tip on the correction. :thumbup:

[champion6]

a correction or clarification by our paper today "The Villages is exploring the possibility of a mult-modal bridge over the Florida Turnpike." I am happy to hear we are taking the high road! :icon_wink:Thanks for that. I corrected my Post #27.

[tikigal]

All good things come to those that wait!

[justjim]

a correction or clarification by our paper today "The Villages is exploring the possibility of a mult-modal bridge over the Florida Turnpike." I am happy to hear we are taking the high road! :icon_wink:

If they build a bridge for golf carts, I would like to propose ( "they" surely read our comments on TOTV) that the bridge is built at least 4 ft wider for safety reasons. Although I don't go across the Lake Sumter Landing or US 441 bridges often, they just are too narrow IMHO.

[CWGUY]

If they build a bridge for golf carts, I would like to propose ( "they" surely read our comments on TOTV) that the bridge is built at least 4 ft wider for safety reasons. Although I don't go across the Lake Sumter Landing or US 441 bridges often, they just are too narrow IMHO.

Lordy, I hope not! :o

[MrGolf]

Use the same ramp Evil Kenevil used to cross Snake River Canyon. No wait, that didn't work out so well did it?

[Millerw1946]

Carefully .......................... very, very carefully. :-)

[Ragtop]

Not fair, How many people out there would actually know what a Bailey bridge is and how easy it is to set up?

[SouthOfTheBorder]

Not fair, How many people out there would actually know what a Bailey bridge is and how easy it is to set up?

Hi Ragtop,

Bailey bridge is not a type of bridge. It refers to an existing bridge.

I assume “Bailey” was/is the name of the property owner at the time the bridge was constructed to provide access across the turnpike

TV now owns the land on both sides of the turnpike where this bridge is located. It would make good business sense to first try to utilize that bridge if it were feasible.

Here is a link to the bridge, zoom out to see where it is located.

Google Maps (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.7812416,-81.9724945,171m/data=!3m1!1e3)

Don

[Nucky]

In a constructive manner can someone tell me what the safety measures will be in place to contain the items that may possibly be ejected from any vehicle or person onto vehicles on the Turnpike?

I do believe that tunnels would be much better, maybe not as easy but better if done properly.

[champion6]

In a constructive manner can someone tell me what the safety measures will be in place to contain the items that may possibly be ejected from any vehicle or person onto vehicles on the Turnpike?

I do believe that tunnels would be much better, maybe not as easy but better if done properly.First, architects and civil engineers worry about and successfully design these things.

Second, the golf cart bridge over 441 has simple walls on the sides. I never hear/read about things falling to the vehicles below.

[ColdNoMore]

In a constructive manner can someone tell me what the safety measures will be in place to contain the items that may possibly be ejected from any vehicle or person onto vehicles on the Turnpike?

I do believe that tunnels would be much better, maybe not as easy but better if done properly.

It's called 'fencing.'

Here is but one...of hundreds (thousands?) of different designs.

Google is your friend.

[chuckinca]

Hi Ragtop,

Bailey bridge is not a type of bridge. It refers to an existing bridge.

I assume “Bailey” was/is the name of the property owner at the time the bridge was constructed to provide access across the turnpike

TV now owns the land on both sides of the turnpike where this bridge is located. It would make good business sense to first try to utilize that bridge if it were feasible.

Here is a link to the bridge, zoom out to see where it is located.

Google Maps (https://www.google.com/maps/@28.7812416,-81.9724945,171m/data=!3m1!1e3)

Don

Bailey bridge - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bailey_bridge)

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[Nucky]

First, architects and civil engineers worry about and successfully design these things.

Second, the golf cart bridge over 441 has simple walls on the sides. I never hear/read about things falling to the vehicles below.

I agree with the 441 cart bridge not being an issue. As I understand it and I could be wrong we are talking about a bridge to carry cars, trucks, golf carts and people and the volume of traffic over a turnpike bridge would be greater by far so the question still stands. I'm asking what kind of things the professionals you listed would use to design the bridge successfully & safely.

[Nucky]

It's called 'fencing.'

Here is but one...of hundreds (thousands?) of different designs.

Google is your friend.

Your not a friend. It is a roadway not a walkway as your picture shows. Show one of a 2 or 4 lane bridge for cars and trucks with golf cart lanes and a walkway for people. Read the Question. Google may help you.

[ColdNoMore]

Your not a friend. It is a roadway not a walkway as your picture shows. Show one of a 2 or 4 lane bridge for cars and trucks with golf cart lanes and a walkway for people. Read the Question. Google may help you.

You're. :D

The width of the bridge in my photo...is very close to the existing Bailey Rd. bridge (which is what is being discussed, see post #58). :oops:

And anyway, the width of ANY bridge has nothing to do with the viability....of installing a similar fence to it. :ho:

[chuckinca]

Pedestrian Bridge over I-80 in Berkeley, CA

[ColdNoMore]

Pedestrian Bridge over I-80 in Berkeley, CA
Exactly. :thumbup:

There are literally hundreds (if not thousands) of examples of different types of fencing, for pedestrian, bicycle AND even highway bridges...by just using Google.

Putting side fences on the Bailey Rd. bridge would be so simple...as to be inconsequential in making it "safe." :shrug:

[ColdNoMore]

Here is a better photo of the Bailey Rd. bridge being discussed.

In fact, it looks to me like it already has a basic fence system on it already.

[Nucky]

Pedestrian Bridge over I-80 in Berkeley, CA

Thank you for your bridge picture. It is perfect for people. The interesting thing to me is how can a bridge for cars, golf carts, tractor trailers and people be enclosed to keep people from throwing frozen turkeys, rocks, boulders, or or other people from the bridge or bridges proposed to connect Fenney to the existing part of The Villages. If you wish try Googling Jumpers from the Driscoll Bridge in NJ. Simple small bridges can be enclosed. A bridge to do the massive job that I would imagine the bridge to Fenney would be could not be contained as easily. If it has been I couldn't find it on Google.

[jblum315]

Never mind. The turnpike plan has been canceled

[ColdNoMore]

Never mind. The turnpike plan has been canceled.

Only for the vehicle interchange...as I read the article.

I'm still betting that the existing Bailey Rd. bridge will be utilized as a golf cart trail at some point...down the road. (pun intended :D).

[champion6]

The just-announced cancellation is for an interchange at the existing overpasses where CR468 crosses over the Turnpike.

These are still in the planning stages:
1. A new overpass over US44 at Buena Vista Blvd for golf carts and pedestrians.

2. Buena Vista will be extended down to CR468. Therefore a new overpass over the Turnpike is being planned. I picture the traffic on this overpass to be the same as the Morse bridge near Lake Sumter Landing - vehicles, golf carts and a sidewalk for pedestrians.

[SouthOfTheBorder]

Bailey bridge - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bailey_bridge)

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Chuckinca,

Thanks for the information. I stand corrected. :thumbup:

The bridge still appears to be usable multi model access over the turnpike.

Don

[dewilson58]

I got a sneak peek at the plans...........