Natural Gas installation in Fenny vs Existing Villages Gas

[MarcelDuhamp]

Natural Gas installation in the Village of Fenny differs in a number of ways from Natural gas
installation in 24,000 homes in the existing Villages, First the Village of Fenny is using a new type of
Corrugatted Stainless Steel Tubing which is black, some this types of CSST like this is
called Flashshield but there or other types of more lighting resistant CSST out there under other
names. This new CSST was developed because the older type of Yellow CSST had been found to
have problems with resistance to lighting Strikes. The older type of Yellow CSST is being taken out of
production because of these problems, Today you will pretty much find that Yellow is no longer being
used because of Fire safety problems. As evidenced by the Village of Fenny Natural Gas installation
no one uses Yellow CSST any more. In the Existing Villages homes that have natural gas in them
there is generally 3 heavy gauge metal gas vent pies that are 3 to 4 inches in diameter that stick
though the roof anywhere 2 feet to 4 feet. These are for the Gas Dryer, the Gas Furnace and the Gas
water heater. These metal pipes have been known to have problems if the Yellow CSST is installed to
close to these pipes. It can cause fire explosion and death. In the Village of Fenny there are no Heavy
Metal GAS exhaust pipes sticking out of the roof. This because the only gas installation on the inside
of these new homes is the gas range and it does not require venting to the outside of the Building.
There is no gas furnace, there is no gas dryers, and there is no gas hot water heaters in the interior of
the buildings. All of these gas appliances would require a 3 in or 4 inch round heavy metal gas
exhaust pipe to stick 2 to 6 feet above the roof where there could be problems with lightning. There
must be a good reason for not installing Gas Furnaces, Dryers. These pictures were sent to my by
someone in the Villages. I am sending this information to Todd Ulrich TV 9 consumer reporter as it is
my understanding that he has been asking questions around the Villages about the installation of
CSST in the Villages. There must be a really good reason that natural gas furnaces and dryers are
not being installed in the new homes in Fenny.

[dbussone]

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[vintageogauge]

We just bought a home in Fenney and it has the gas dryer hookup but no 220 electric outlet. Having gas was one of our must haves. Also get extra storage in the furnace closet as there is no hot water tank, every little bit helps

[dbussone]

We just bought a home in Fenney and it has the gas dryer hookup but no 220 electric outlet. Having gas was one of our must haves. Also get extra storage in the furnace closet as there is no hot water tank, every little bit helps



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[l2ridehd]

The CSST type gas pipe has been used nation wide for many years. The problem is not with the pipe, but with attic installation vs under the concrete pad. The new type gas pipe is just a bit cheaper to manufacture than the old type. Same dangers if attic installed. And every type of heating fuel that is burned has to be vented. Natural gas, Propane, oil, coal, wood, all require a vent to the outside. About the only one that does not is electric. And we do live in the lightening capital of the world so guess the number of home fires do to lightening strikes may be higher than average.

IMHO seems like someone has an ax to grind and is looking for something that they can point a finger at as a "Villages" problem when in reality it's a problem anywhere gas lines are placed in the attic and there is a high lightening probability.

Many years ago all gas lines were in black iron pipes. The reason was the fire burn time required to rupture the pipe. If I had my druthers I would replace all these pipes with black iron.

[Topspinmo]

I prefer all electric house. I just wish they would wire houses with both options. I prefer electric water heaters and cloth dryers. Especially water heaters they are easy to replace and WAAAAAY cheater than gas. Never had gas clothes dryer, but I bet they are way more expensive that electric, plus lint and open flames IMO not good combination? I thought about have 220 ran to water heater so I could have option. IMO electric is safer, easier to install, and cheaper when you have to replace them. IM the saving in gas is lost when you have to replace them.

[Bogie Shooter]

Natural Gas installation in the Village of Fenny differs in a number of ways from Natural gas
installation in 24,000 homes in the existing Villages, First the Village of Fenny is using a new type of
Corrugatted Stainless Steel Tubing which is black, some this types of CSST like this is
called Flashshield but there or other types of more lighting resistant CSST out there under other
names. This new CSST was developed because the older type of Yellow CSST had been found to
have problems with resistance to lighting Strikes. The older type of Yellow CSST is being taken out of
production because of these problems, Today you will pretty much find that Yellow is no longer being
used because of Fire safety problems. As evidenced by the Village of Fenny Natural Gas installation
no one uses Yellow CSST any more. In the Existing Villages homes that have natural gas in them
there is generally 3 heavy gauge metal gas vent pies that are 3 to 4 inches in diameter that stick
though the roof anywhere 2 feet to 4 feet. These are for the Gas Dryer, the Gas Furnace and the Gas
water heater. These metal pipes have been known to have problems if the Yellow CSST is installed to
close to these pipes. It can cause fire explosion and death. In the Village of Fenny there are no Heavy
Metal GAS exhaust pipes sticking out of the roof. This because the only gas installation on the inside
of these new homes is the gas range and it does not require venting to the outside of the Building.
There is no gas furnace, there is no gas dryers, and there is no gas hot water heaters in the interior of
the buildings. All of these gas appliances would require a 3 in or 4 inch round heavy metal gas
exhaust pipe to stick 2 to 6 feet above the roof where there could be problems with lightning. There
must be a good reason for not installing Gas Furnaces, Dryers. These pictures were sent to my by
someone in the Villages. I am sending this information to Todd Ulrich TV 9 consumer reporter as it is
my understanding that he has been asking questions around the Villages about the installation of
CSST in the Villages. There must be a really good reason that natural gas furnaces and dryers are
not being installed in the new homes in Fenny.
So, are you in The Villages? Why are you sending to TV9?

[pauld315]

[QUOTE=Topspinmo;1398117]I prefer all electric house. I just wish they would wire houses with both options. I prefer electric water heaters and cloth dryers. Especially water heaters they are easy to replace and WAAAAAY cheater than gas. Never had gas clothes dryer, but I bet they are way more expensive that electric, plus lint and open flames IMO not good combination? I thought about have 220 ran to water heater so I could have option. IMO electric is safer, easier to install, and cheaper when you have to replace them. IM the saving in gas is lost when you have to replace them.[/Q

Natural gas has come down considerably in price in the past 5 years due to fracking. We use gas in our house in NC for the furnace and hot water and our bill is 33 a month year round.

[twoplanekid]

Don’t know the cause is lightning or what but five fire trucks and many emergency vehicles just passed my house on Warnock to another house in Lake Deaton. We are all electric here!

[Schneil]

There was a bad golf cart accident in Pinellas, not sure if part those emergency vehicles were headed that way?

[twoplanekid]

It was a house fire on Justice Ln in the Village of Lake Deaton.

[twoplanekid]

The fire department was called by neighbors as the owners were not at home. The remediation crew stated that the fire was started by a lightning strike and that most of the damage was to the roof and front door kicked in by the fire department. It’s nice to have good neighbors watching out for one another.

[Topspinmo]

[QUOTE=Topspinmo;1398117]I prefer all electric house. I just wish they would wire houses with both options. I prefer electric water heaters and cloth dryers. Especially water heaters they are easy to replace and WAAAAAY cheater than gas. Never had gas clothes dryer, but I bet they are way more expensive that electric, plus lint and open flames IMO not good combination? I thought about have 220 ran to water heater so I could have option. IMO electric is safer, easier to install, and cheaper when you have to replace them. IM the saving in gas is lost when you have to replace them.[/Q

Natural gas has come down considerably in price in the past 5 years due to fracking. We use gas in our house in NC for the furnace and hot water and our bill is 33 a month year round.

Cheaper to replace. Just had my 429 dollar gas water heater replace. Total chairge 1068 bucks. I could of replace three electric water heaters for that. But, being I'm not certified plumber I had to contract it. Electric = no chance of carbon monoxide poisoning or lighting gas explosion. I will admit I do like gas cook stove, IMO I think all electric is cheaper and safer in the long run.

[VillagerNut]

Natural Gas installation in the Village of Fenny differs in a number of ways from Natural gas
installation in 24,000 homes in the existing Villages, First the Village of Fenny is using a new type of
Corrugatted Stainless Steel Tubing which is black, some this types of CSST like this is
called Flashshield but there or other types of more lighting resistant CSST out there under other
names. This new CSST was developed because the older type of Yellow CSST had been found to
have problems with resistance to lighting Strikes. The older type of Yellow CSST is being taken out of
production because of these problems, Today you will pretty much find that Yellow is no longer being
used because of Fire safety problems. As evidenced by the Village of Fenny Natural Gas installation
no one uses Yellow CSST any more. In the Existing Villages homes that have natural gas in them
there is generally 3 heavy gauge metal gas vent pies that are 3 to 4 inches in diameter that stick
though the roof anywhere 2 feet to 4 feet. These are for the Gas Dryer, the Gas Furnace and the Gas
water heater. These metal pipes have been known to have problems if the Yellow CSST is installed to
close to these pipes. It can cause fire explosion and death. In the Village of Fenny there are no Heavy
Metal GAS exhaust pipes sticking out of the roof. This because the only gas installation on the inside
of these new homes is the gas range and it does not require venting to the outside of the Building.
There is no gas furnace, there is no gas dryers, and there is no gas hot water heaters in the interior of
the buildings. All of these gas appliances would require a 3 in or 4 inch round heavy metal gas
exhaust pipe to stick 2 to 6 feet above the roof where there could be problems with lightning. There
must be a good reason for not installing Gas Furnaces, Dryers. These pictures were sent to my by
someone in the Villages. I am sending this information to Todd Ulrich TV 9 consumer reporter as it is
my understanding that he has been asking questions around the Villages about the installation of
CSST in the Villages. There must be a really good reason that natural gas furnaces and dryers are
not being installed in the new homes in Fenny.

Wow! Total misinformation being given in your post! I don't know who you have a beef against but I would be careful about Misposting so much. Plus I would love to know why you're contacting the channel 9? I have never seen anything on channel 9 concerning natural gas here.

[rubicon]

I prefer all electric house. I just wish they would wire houses with both options. I prefer electric water heaters and cloth dryers. Especially water heaters they are easy to replace and WAAAAAY cheater than gas. Never had gas clothes dryer, but I bet they are way more expensive that electric, plus lint and open flames IMO not good combination? I thought about have 220 ran to water heater so I could have option. IMO electric is safer, easier to install, and cheaper when you have to replace them. IM the saving in gas is lost when you have to replace them.

topspinmo:

We have a dual hook up either electric or gas. We replaced our gas dryer with another gas dryer. The cost difference was $100 more because of the gas connection

I have been keeping a log of my utility bills and gas costs are 1/3 that of electric and to my dismay water. Water is very expensive here in TV in my humble view

[Topspinmo]

topspinmo:

We have a dual hook up either electric or gas. We replaced our gas dryer with another gas dryer. The cost difference was $100 more because of the gas connection

I have been keeping a log of my utility bills and gas costs are 1/3 that of electric and to my dismay water. Water is very expensive here in TV in my humble view

I thought it would of been more? IMO the risk is less with electric. I guess compruter controlled gas appliances are a lot safer now days. I agree plumbing gas especially water heaters drive the cost up.

[l2ridehd]

I thought it would of been more? IMO the risk is less with electric. I guess compruter controlled gas appliances are a lot safer now days. I agree plumbing gas especially water heaters drive the cost up.

If you are replacing a gas water heater with a gas water heater there is no installation cost increase. Gas line is already there just as the electric line is there for an electric water heater. If the water plumbing connections are in the same place, simple install. Plumbing only needs to be modified if it is in a different location on the new water heater. And that would be true for gas or electric.

And I am sure there are exceptions, but so far I have never heard of any appliance causing a fire, gas or electric. Users sometimes do things like spilling oil on a stove or putting something flammable in a dryer that will cause a fire, but just the appliance causing it I have not seen. That is true for gas and electric. I would suspect the safety record for both is the same.

[NoMoSno]

Thousands of fires are sparked each year by clogged dryer vents - abcactionnews.com WFTS-TV (http://www.abcactionnews.com/money/angies-list/thousands-of-fires-are-sparked-each-year-by-clogged-dryer-vents)

[champion6]

Thousands of fires are sparked each year by clogged dryer vents - abcactionnews.com WFTS-TV (http://www.abcactionnews.com/money/angies-list/thousands-of-fires-are-sparked-each-year-by-clogged-dryer-vents)The article offers good advice, but it refers to the hot air exhaust vent and pertains to both gas and electric dryers. The discussion in this thread has turned into gas vs. electric.

[NoMoSno]

The article offers good advice, but it refers to the hot air exhaust vent and pertains to both gas and electric dryers. The discussion in this thread has turned into gas vs. electric.

I should have replied to the poster above mine, in regards to this statement:
"And I am sure there are exceptions, but so far I have never heard of any appliance causing a fire, gas or electric. Users sometimes do things like spilling oil on a stove or putting something flammable in a dryer that will cause a fire, but just the appliance causing it I have not seen. That is true for gas and electric. I would suspect the safety record for both is the same."

A dryer, gas or electric can and do cause lint fires.

[pauld315]

topspinmo:

We have a dual hook up either electric or gas. We replaced our gas dryer with another gas dryer. The cost difference was $100 more because of the gas connection

I have been keeping a log of my utility bills and gas costs are 1/3 that of electric and to my dismay water. Water is very expensive here in TV in my humble view

I guess the view of water costs being high depend on where you come from. Back 25 years ago, when I owned a house in Binghamton NY my water and sewer cost me about $7.50 a month. I moved to Cary NC and water and sewer ran me about $50 a month. Then, after a few droughts they imposed strict usage laws but also a tiered pricing structure. If I were to use my irrigation system regularly and use 20,000 gallons of water a month my water and sewage would cost me about $318.00 for the month. Looking at the latest utility bill of the property we are buying at the end of the month in TV, they used 19630 gallons of water and the total water and sewer charge was $95.03, So, yes water in TV is very expensive compared to what I paid in Binghamton 25 years ago but it is really cheap compared to what I pay in Cary NC today.

[l2ridehd]

I should have replied to the poster above mine, in regards to this statement:


A dryer, gas or electric can and do cause lint fires.

Yes, but that is maintenance issue that is the same for gas or electric dryers. Has nothing to do with the safety or lack there of for gas appliances. And if you have your vent cleaned annually, clean the filter after each load, you will most likely never have a lint fire.

I thought the discussion was about the safety factors of gas vs electric appliances. Not about the safety of not doing your maintenance.

[Topspinmo]

If you are replacing a gas water heater with a gas water heater there is no installation cost increase. Gas line is already there just as the electric line is there for an electric water heater. If the water plumbing connections are in the same place, simple install. Plumbing only needs to be modified if it is in a different location on the new water heater. And that would be true for gas or electric.

And I am sure there are exceptions, but so far I have never heard of any appliance causing a fire, gas or electric. Users sometimes do things like spilling oil on a stove or putting something flammable in a dryer that will cause a fire, but just the appliance causing it I have not seen. That is true for gas and electric. I would suspect the safety record for both is the same.


Ok, maybe if everything the same, but new water heaters are either taller or shorter than 15 years ago, and it was plumbed with all pvc. also I don't know all the latest codes. The extra cost was for new steel and flex pipe, new bladder tank and I know it's up to current codes. Now if I ever have have it replace (not likely) it will be easier. At least the dryer has both options.