Cruise the golf courses without playing golf

[twoplanekid]

For those of us who don’t golf, is there a way to drive a golf cart around the golf courses to take a look. Everyone in TV pays amenity fees to support the maintenance of these beautiful courses. Yet, those of us who don’t or can’t golf miss the beautiful views taken in by those that do.

So, can’t there be a time when non-golfers can sneak a peek at the courses. Maybe I have missed events such as this in the past as I am only now a full time resident. Of course this should be done in such a way as to minimize the inconveniences it might create for golfers and only take place a few times in the year. One event could be a caravan of carts following leaders who know the way. Some might even want to take up golf after seeing firsthand the fields of play.

This is my suggestion that I posted on the Villages survey for others and you to think about.

[Jgg7933]

Drive the cart paths around the holes AFTER the course closes at night. It is still light enough to see all you wish to see.

[ColdNoMore]

Drive the cart paths around the holes AFTER the course closes at night. It is still light enough to see all you wish to see.

I don't think that would work, since I believe most courses 'close'...when one can no longer see their golf ball. :shrug:

[Bogie Shooter]

driving after hours by those unfamiliar with the cart paths could lead to some unexpected meetings. That's why it is not allowed because of the danger.
A special time is a better idea.

[CWGUY]

For those of us who don’t golf, is there a way to drive a golf cart around the golf courses to take a look. Everyone in TV pays amenity fees to support the maintenance of these beautiful courses. Yet, those of us who don’t or can’t golf miss the beautiful views taken in by those that do.

So, can’t there be a time when non-golfers can sneak a peek at the courses. Maybe I have missed events such as this in the past as I am only now a full time resident. Of course this should be done in such a way as to minimize the inconveniences it might create for golfers and only take place a few times in the year. One event could be a caravan of carts following leaders who know the way. Some might even want to take up golf after seeing firsthand the fields of play.

This is my suggestion that I posted on the Villages survey for others and you to think about.

:what: (Sorry... what I was actually thinking , would have been removed!)

[golfing eagles]

For those of us who don’t golf, is there a way to drive a golf cart around the golf courses to take a look. Everyone in TV pays amenity fees to support the maintenance of these beautiful courses. Yet, those of us who don’t or can’t golf miss the beautiful views taken in by those that do.

So, can’t there be a time when non-golfers can sneak a peek at the courses. Maybe I have missed events such as this in the past as I am only now a full time resident. Of course this should be done in such a way as to minimize the inconveniences it might create for golfers and only take place a few times in the year. One event could be a caravan of carts following leaders who know the way. Some might even want to take up golf after seeing firsthand the fields of play.

This is my suggestion that I posted on the Villages survey for others and you to think about.

Sounds good in theory, but the practicable application might be difficult. If done at dusk, there is a safety factor. People in a "caravan" will want to stop and look or take pictures, as a result they will pull off the cart paths. Since we are talking about non-golfers, they will have no idea where they are not permitted to drive and will inevitably drive across a green, near (or into) a bunker or drown their cart in an environmental area.

As far as closing a course for this purpose, exec tee times are generally at a premium---they don't even close them as they should for proper maintenance. I think there might be a lot of unhappy golfers if they can't get a tee time because of tourists on the course

Yes, our amenity fee goes in part to maintain these courses. I'm paying for this, and although I golf, I don't play exec courses. I'm also paying to maintain pickleball and tennis courts, even though I don't play, sports pools even though I don't swim laps, and meeting rooms for the Univ. of Southern Idaho alumni club, even though I don't belong. The fee goes to support a wide variety of activities, even though no one participates in all of them.

Best suggestion, Rick, is that I am available for golf lessons. That way you can learn to play as bad as I do:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[graciegirl]

For those of us who don’t golf, is there a way to drive a golf cart around the golf courses to take a look. Everyone in TV pays amenity fees to support the maintenance of these beautiful courses. Yet, those of us who don’t or can’t golf miss the beautiful views taken in by those that do.

So, can’t there be a time when non-golfers can sneak a peek at the courses. Maybe I have missed events such as this in the past as I am only now a full time resident. Of course this should be done in such a way as to minimize the inconveniences it might create for golfers and only take place a few times in the year. One event could be a caravan of carts following leaders who know the way. Some might even want to take up golf after seeing firsthand the fields of play.

This is my suggestion that I posted on the Villages survey for others and you to think about.

Our daughter Helene has not ever played a hole of golf, but she goes with me as an observer every time I play. She knows she must stay well back away from swings and safely away from where any ball is directed. She knows too, not to talk when someone is addressing the ball.. This is for nine hole golf with dear friends and then we go to lunch. She opts to sit safely in the cart and enjoy the ride and the views.

Perhaps you know a friend who golfs? You must bring your ID and check in too, even if just observing. There are good reasons why people can't use the golf trails as walking trails or for riding their bikes or for fun golf cart trips.. It isn't safe.

I think that it may be time for you to take some golf lessons twoplane. Why must you miss all the fun?

[blueash]

In the summer each executive course is given a day of rest every couple weeks when they perhaps get maintenance but that does not take the whole day. Perhaps that, with permission, would be a day that tourists would be allowed if it could be done not interfering with the workers. Take your risk if they are adjusting the sprinklers.

The other option of course would be to take an executive tee time and show up and just drive the course without golfing. This would cost you a $4 pp if you take your cart but it would be free to walk the course. Or if you have a golfing friend, spectators are allowed at no cost.

"Executive Course Spectator Policy
As approved by The District Boards, commencing May 2015 regarding the Spectator Policy on Executive Courses.
Spectators are allowed, and must follow golf course guidelines
No Charge for residents/guests with a valid resident/guest ID card
Spectator Tags will be issued; If a spectator is caught playing, they must pay the appropriate fees and golfing privileges will be suspended for 30 days.
Spectators must be at least 10 years of age with an accompanied resident/guest
Spectator golf cars must remain on the path
One (1) spectator limit per person, with a maximum of four (4) spectators per foursome not to exceed four (4) total golf carts"

None of this applies to Country Club courses, other than pay the whole fee and drive. If they have the twilight program in the summer, then the cost would be low to pay and enjoy the ride.

[pauld315]

In the summer each executive course is given a day of rest every couple weeks when they perhaps get maintenance but that does not take the whole day. Perhaps that, with permission, would be a day that tourists would be allowed if it could be done not interfering with the workers. Take your risk if they are adjusting the sprinklers.

The other option of course would be to take an executive tee time and show up and just drive the course without golfing. This would cost you a $4 pp if you take your cart but it would be free to walk the course. Or if you have a golfing friend, spectators are allowed at no cost.

"Executive Course Spectator Policy
As approved by The District Boards, commencing May 2015 regarding the Spectator Policy on Executive Courses.
Spectators are allowed, and must follow golf course guidelines
No Charge for residents/guests with a valid resident/guest ID card
Spectator Tags will be issued; If a spectator is caught playing, they must pay the appropriate fees and golfing privileges will be suspended for 30 days.
Spectators must be at least 10 years of age with an accompanied resident/guest
Spectator golf cars must remain on the path
One (1) spectator limit per person, with a maximum of four (4) spectators per foursome not to exceed four (4) total golf carts"

None of this applies to Country Club courses, other than pay the whole fee and drive. If they have the twilight program in the summer, then the cost would be low to pay and enjoy the ride.

Good to know, I think I would just tag along with somebody who is golfing. I have a rib issue which stops me from being able to play at this time. Thankfully, TV offers so much to do I am just switching gears from my original retirement plans for now which included golf and a lot of other physical activity until when / if it heals.

[bagboy]

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[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

People who are not playing golf or riding with a golfer should not be allowed on the golf courses. They place themselves in danger of being struck by a golf ball and they might be disturbing to people trying to concentrate on their golf game.

I frequently see people walking their dog on a course that I play quite a bit and I always think that one of them or their dog is going to get clocked some day.

As far as amenity fees, we all pay them and we are all welcome to take advantage of the golf courses by playing them.

[Bogie Shooter]

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I agree!

[DARFAP]

Golf courses are not for Sunday strolls or otherwise. It's frustrating enough having to wait for slower groups in front.

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[Dan9871]

Everyone in TV pays amenity fees to support the maintenance of these beautiful courses..

Yes, many of the golf courses are beautiful just to drive around.

But Golfers have to pay an additional fee, beyond the amenity fee, to drive on the cart paths. The fee is per golfer, not per cart... so each golfer in the cart pays a fee. It's $4 per person or about $140 per year.

There is some kind of rule about a non-golfer riding along with a golfer for a round. I'm not sure what it is but a stop at one of the starter shacks would clear that up.

Even when a golfer decides for some reason he can't play anymore and wants to leave the game... driving on the trail to get off the course takes some care so you don't get clobbered by a golf ball. At each tee box you ask the group there to wait till you are out of range on your drive to the next tee box, before the tee off. It's usually not a problem but you would not have time to sightsee on your way to the next tee box.

[NYGUY]

This is not an idea most golfers would be happy with.

[twoplanekid]

Aviation enthusiasts are always looking for ways to have good relations with the public and share our love of aviation. We do this with events held at airports under supervision for the safety of all involved.

I would believe an event, call it what you may, at a golf course to let people see a course in person with their wife’s or significant others would be popular and successful.

We pilots give of our time and money to teach others about flying. The same could be true of a golf cart caravan through a course once every year for the non-golfers under the supervision of knowledgeable golfers.

[graciegirl]

Aviation enthusiasts are always looking for ways to have good relations with the public and share our love of aviation. We do this with events held at airports under supervision for the safety of all involved.

I would believe an event, call it what you may, at a golf course to let people see a course in person with their wife’s or significant others would be popular and successful.

We pilots give of our time and money to teach others about flying. The same could be true of a golf cart caravan through a course once every year for the non-golfers under the supervision of knowledgeable golfers.

I have been a golfer (of sorts) for more than forty years and I haven't ever seen anything remotely like this happening. I have lived on Golf Courses for most of that time too. I think it would not have popular appeal. That is just my opinion. I have never wanted to go look at an airport, or inside a surgical suite, see the top of the Hancock Building, look at hogs give birth or visit a house of ill repute. I know they are there, and I am good with no viewing.

You might prove me wrong by doing a poll on this. I am frequently wrong. However, it doesn't keep me from debating.

[EPutnam1863]

Sounds good in theory, but the practicable application might be difficult. If done at dusk, there is a safety factor. People in a "caravan" will want to stop and look or take pictures, as a result they will pull off the cart paths. Since we are talking about non-golfers, they will have no idea where they are not permitted to drive and will inevitably drive across a green, near (or into) a bunker or drown their cart in an environmental area.

As far as closing a course for this purpose, exec tee times are generally at a premium---they don't even close them as they should for proper maintenance. I think there might be a lot of unhappy golfers if they can't get a tee time because of tourists on the course

Yes, our amenity fee goes in part to maintain these courses. I'm paying for this, and although I golf, I don't play exec courses. I'm also paying to maintain pickleball and tennis courts, even though I don't play, sports pools even though I don't swim laps, and meeting rooms for the Univ. of Southern Idaho alumni club, even though I don't belong. The fee goes to support a wide variety of activities, even though no one participates in all of them.

Best suggestion, Rick, is that I am available for golf lessons. That way you can learn to play as bad as I do:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

This is why while we like living in HOAs where there are rules, we won't live in one that has all those amenities because we know we will never use them.

However the fees in TV are amazingly low when compared to other amenity-loaded HOAs throughout Florida and others.

[twoplanekid]

I have been a golfer (of sorts) for more than forty years and I haven't ever seen anything remotely like this happening. I have lived on Golf Courses for most of that time too. I think it would not have popular appeal. That is just my opinion. I have never wanted to go look at an airport, or inside a surgical suite, see the top of the Hancock Building, look at hogs give birth or visit a house of ill repute. I know they are there, and I am good with no viewing.

You might prove me wrong by doing a poll on this. I am frequently wrong. However, it doesn't keep me from debating.

It is my understanding that 50% of the people living in TV don’t play golf and thus probably haven’t been on the golf courses. The courses are a major part of this community. I know that my wife & I would like to see some of the courses without having to play golf. I poll might be good or just try one event. Someday I may start to swing clubs again after I master pickleball.

[Mleeja]

"None of this applies to Country Club courses, other than pay the whole fee and drive. If they have the twilight program in the summer, then the cost would be low to pay and enjoy the ride."

I have rode as a non-playing rider on a championship course. The group was only a threesome and I rode with my buddy.

[Daddymac]

I hurt my back,,, I went with people playing. NO PROBLEM

[Bogie Shooter]

Yes, many of the golf courses are beautiful just to drive around.

But Golfers have to pay an additional fee, beyond the amenity fee, to drive on the cart paths. The fee is per golfer, not per cart... so each golfer in the cart pays a fee. It's $4 per person or about $140 per year.

There is some kind of rule about a non-golfer riding along with a golfer for a round. I'm not sure what it is but a stop at one of the starter shacks would clear that up.

Even when a golfer decides for some reason he can't play anymore and wants to leave the game... driving on the trail to get off the course takes some care so you don't get clobbered by a golf ball. At each tee box you ask the group there to wait till you are out of range on your drive to the next tee box, before the tee off. It's usually not a problem but you would not have time to sightsee on your way to the next tee box.

Or read POST #8!

[graciegirl]

In the summer each executive course is given a day of rest every couple weeks when they perhaps get maintenance but that does not take the whole day. Perhaps that, with permission, would be a day that tourists would be allowed if it could be done not interfering with the workers. Take your risk if they are adjusting the sprinklers.

The other option of course would be to take an executive tee time and show up and just drive the course without golfing. This would cost you a $4 pp if you take your cart but it would be free to walk the course. Or if you have a golfing friend, spectators are allowed at no cost.

"Executive Course Spectator Policy
As approved by The District Boards, commencing May 2015 regarding the Spectator Policy on Executive Courses.
Spectators are allowed, and must follow golf course guidelines
No Charge for residents/guests with a valid resident/guest ID card
Spectator Tags will be issued; If a spectator is caught playing, they must pay the appropriate fees and golfing privileges will be suspended for 30 days.
Spectators must be at least 10 years of age with an accompanied resident/guest
Spectator golf cars must remain on the path
One (1) spectator limit per person, with a maximum of four (4) spectators per foursome not to exceed four (4) total golf carts"

None of this applies to Country Club courses, other than pay the whole fee and drive. If they have the twilight program in the summer, then the cost would be low to pay and enjoy the ride.

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[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

It is my understanding that 50% of the people living in TV don’t play golf and thus probably haven’t been on the golf courses. The courses are a major part of this community. I know that my wife & I would like to see some of the courses without having to play golf. I poll might be good or just try one event. Someday I may start to swing clubs again after I master pickleball.

I don't play pickleball or tennis, but I don't go on to those courts to look at them. I don't play softball, but I don't wander around the softball fields while games are in progress or otherwise.

[justjim]

For those of us who don’t golf, is there a way to drive a golf cart around the golf courses to take a look. Everyone in TV pays amenity fees to support the maintenance of these beautiful courses. Yet, those of us who don’t or can’t golf miss the beautiful views taken in by those that do.

So, can’t there be a time when non-golfers can sneak a peek at the courses. Maybe I have missed events such as this in the past as I am only now a full time resident. Of course this should be done in such a way as to minimize the inconveniences it might create for golfers and only take place a few times in the year. One event could be a caravan of carts following leaders who know the way. Some might even want to take up golf after seeing firsthand the fields of play.

This is my suggestion that I posted on the Villages survey for others and you to think about.

My first thought was "this won't fly". However, it is a creative idea and I see no harm in giving "some version" of this idea a try at least once. Riding along with a golfer as a spectator is really a good opportunity to view our executive courses and at no cost. It's difficult to beat that option. As a matter of fact, I see this often.

Because our Championship courses are much more expansive and thus perhaps more interesting and beautiful, it might be worthwhile to pay and go along with a golfer as a spectator. Just a thought....There are many beautiful views on both TV'S executive and Championship golf courses.

[twoplanekid]

My first thought was "this won't fly". However, it is a creative idea and I see no harm in giving "some version" of this idea a try at least once. Riding along with a golfer as a spectator is really a good opportunity to view our executive courses and at no cost. It's difficult to beat that option. As a matter of fact, I see this often.

Because our Championship courses are much more expansive and thus perhaps more interesting and beautiful, it might be worthwhile to pay and go along with a golfer as a spectator. Just a thought....There are many beautiful views on both TV'S executive and Championship golf courses.

That is what I have heard and would like to take my wife to see! These golf courses are not the same as viewing a pickleball/tennis court or baseball field.

[Indy-Guy]

I suggest that if you want to see an executive course go there late in the day an hour or so before they close. You can call or drop by the starter shack and make a tee time the day of play. Borrow a bag and some clubs and just go to the greens without teeing off and putt the ball in the hole from any distance you choose. Do this nine times and you are done. You also may take a non-player to ride with you. It will cost you the same as anyone else that doesn't have a trail pass. Go out and enjoy what your amenity fees are paying for.

The championship courses are not supported by your amenity fees. They are owned and operated by the developer.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

My first thought was "this won't fly". However, it is a creative idea and I see no harm in giving "some version" of this idea a try at least once. Riding along with a golfer as a spectator is really a good opportunity to view our executive courses and at no cost. It's difficult to beat that option. As a matter of fact, I see this often.

Because our Championship courses are much more expansive and thus perhaps more interesting and beautiful, it might be worthwhile to pay and go along with a golfer as a spectator. Just a thought....There are many beautiful views on both TV'S executive and Championship golf courses.

NO!!!!

[DARFAP]

NO!!!!
I second that "NO!!!!"

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[Challenger]

Allowing non golfing people to wander on the courses is a very bad idea. During my 6 yrs playing in TV, I have had several instances of clueless people wandering across my shot path, or walking toward the tee . On one occasion in early evening I saw two people walking on a green and taking pictures during active play. No should be " Absolute" . Have also seen residents and others taking golf course cart paths as shortcuts to their home or other destinations. In some cases they were doing this in reverse direction of golfer traffic.

Once something like this gets started, people begin skirting the rules and begin to get sloppy about following the established procedures.
Kind of like minor exceptions to "deed restrictions" Another "slippery slope"

[DonH57]

I've used google earth to get an aerial view of a course I haven't played before to get a general idea what the course holds in the way of each hole's hazards. Yeah, I'm weird! At least I don't have to worry about getting hit with a golf ball this way!

[twoplanekid]

Allowing non golfing people to wander on the courses is a very bad idea. During my 6 yrs playing in TV, I have had several instances of clueless people wandering across my shot path, or walking toward the tee . On one occasion in early evening I saw two people walking on a green and taking pictures during active play. No should be " Absolute" . Have also seen residents and others taking golf course cart paths as shortcuts to their home or other destinations. In some cases they were doing this in reverse direction of golfer traffic.

Once something like this gets started, people begin skirting the rules and begin to get sloppy about following the established procedures.
Kind of like minor exceptions to "deed restrictions" Another "slippery slope"

Again, aircraft owners would not encourage the general public to wander around ramp areas with engines starting and aircraft taxiing. A special event with the public under supervision and learning about how we operate is how we do it.

I am suggesting that non-golfers be given an opportunity to enjoy seeing the courses without having to play golf. A once or twice a year event doesn’t seen too much to ask. Plus, more of the general public would become aware of the issues golfers have with untrained people on the course.

I suppose I could take up the suggestion to just take a time with my wife to just putt some of the courses. However, I would rather be in an organized group that is lead around the course.

I caddied for my dad and took many golf lessons at our local country club when I was young. I haven’t played a hole since my college years as all of my spare change went to pay for aircraft expenses.

[Challenger]

Again, aircraft owners would not encourage the general public to wander around ramp areas with engines starting and aircraft taxiing. A special event with the public under supervision and learning about how we operate is how we do it.

I am suggesting that non-golfers be given an opportunity to enjoy seeing the courses without having to play golf. A once or twice a year event doesn’t seen too much to ask. Plus, more of the general public would become aware of the issues golfers have with untrained people on the course.

I suppose I could take up the suggestion to just take a time with my wife to just putt some of the courses. However, I would rather be in an organized group that is lead around the course.

I caddied for my dad and took many golf lessons at our local country club when I was young. I haven’t played a hole since my college years as all of my spare change went to pay for aircraft expenses.

Response is totally consistent with your original post. Being a pilot and former plane owner myself, I agree with your description of how most airports handle similar "public days"
Problem is some of the other posts offered in this thread show no understanding of the issues on an active golf course.

[Nucky]

I do not live on a golf course but have a beautiful view of the course from across the street. I hear my neighbors talk about people who ride on the course after hours and how it infringes on their peace and enjoyment of their backyard at night. I agree. As of this moment if you have not paid then you don't belong out there. At our age it is time to go with the flow and respect others and not time to reinvent the wheel. If there is another community that allows this I could not find it with Google.

[graciegirl]

Response is totally consistent with your original post. Being a pilot and former plane owner myself, I agree with your description of how most airports handle similar "public days"
Problem is some of the other posts offered in this thread show no understanding of the issues on an active golf course.

I agree with Challenger.



Golf is more than a game and more than a place where the game is played. It has always been a culture onto itself. In my view and experience it has been largely peopled with ladies and gentlemen who dress according to the rules, and play by them too. Public municipal courses have allowed anyone interested, to join the game, but so far golf is still a quieter, more dignified game than tennis and attracts a certain bunch of people who must have patience with themselves and others. It is a very hard game that looks easy and this place is filled with it's advocates. Non golfers have not been allowed to tromp around golf courses. They get in the way, slow down play and put themselves in danger. Golf wouldn't like to shut itself down to allow the visitors. You play by golf's rules. Golf is a strict task master.

Join, so golf can own your soul too.

[BogeyBoy]

I think the little signs at some courses sum it up, "Golf Traffic Only". The courses get a lot of use and more traffic will only make maintenance more difficult. Championship courses do not have cart paths on many holes. People unfamiliar with the course would be driving around in circles. I can see it now, a resident drives to the top of a hill for the view not realizing there is a sand trap there, now we will have tow trucks on the courses. Years ago I was an ambassador at Glenview. Golfers were playing golf right up to dark. More than once I came across people wandering on the course. And dog walkers. My favorite was a couple, in a fairway, parked, drinking wine, telling me they were waiting for the sunset. Golfers were waiting to tee off!

As I understand it the executive courses are run by the district, the championship by the developer. If you don't pay admission (green fees), it would be like expecting to go to the movies for free because it is what is provided for your entertainment.

Please, please, give up on this idea.

[twoplanekid]

I agree with Challenger.



Golf is more than a game and more than a place where the game is played. It has always been a culture onto itself. In my view and experience it has been largely peopled with ladies and gentlemen who dress according to the rules, and play by them too. Public municipal courses have allowed anyone interested, to join the game, but so far golf is still a quieter, more dignified game than tennis and attracts a certain bunch of people who must have patience with themselves and others. It is a very hard game that looks easy and this place is filled with it's advocates. Non golfers have not been allowed to tromp around golf courses. They get in the way, slow down play and put themselves in danger. Golf wouldn't like to shut itself down to allow the visitors. You play by golf's rules. Golf is a strict task master.

Join, so golf can own your soul too.

Then golf will die! Too bad.

[graciegirl]

Then golf will die! Too bad.

Two plane.

Not hardly.

[twoplanekid]

Two plane.

Not hardly.

As the aircraft owner’s population has declined, so has that of people playing golf. We flying enthusiasts have learned that we must promote aviation to survive. Golfers need to also look to doing things differently for their survival.

Can rules changes save golf from decline? (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/brennan/2017/03/01/usga-proposed-changes-golf-rules-simplify-game/98603628/)

[twoplanekid]

I think the little signs at some courses sum it up, "Golf Traffic Only". The courses get a lot of use and more traffic will only make maintenance more difficult. Championship courses do not have cart paths on many holes. People unfamiliar with the course would be driving around in circles. I can see it now, a resident drives to the top of a hill for the view not realizing there is a sand trap there, now we will have tow trucks on the courses. Years ago I was an ambassador at Glenview. Golfers were playing golf right up to dark. More than once I came across people wandering on the course. And dog walkers. My favorite was a couple, in a fairway, parked, drinking wine, telling me they were waiting for the sunset. Golfers were waiting to tee off!

As I understand it the executive courses are run by the district, the championship by the developer. If you don't pay admission (green fees), it would be like expecting to go to the movies for free because it is what is provided for your entertainment.

Please, please, give up on this idea.

Please note that I am talking about a once or twice a year event under supervision and guidance. I am sure people would be willing to pay the standard fees for a chance to do something special.

[graciegirl]

Please note that I am talking about a once or twice a year event under supervision and guidance. I am sure people would be willing to pay the standard fees for a chance to do something special.

I don't think it will sell.

[Barefoot]

This is not an idea most golfers would be happy with.

I don't play pickleball or tennis, but I don't go on to those courts to look at them. I don't play softball, but I don't wander around the softball fields while games are in progress or otherwise.
:agree:

[Bogie Shooter]

Then golf will die! Too bad.

Not in The Villages!

[npwalters]

Some of these responses are amazing...and a bit sad. I am a golfer (admittedly a poor one) and do play when I can be at my home in TV. I don't take it nearly as serious as some of the respondents do though. It's not a PGA tournament folks; just a game that's supposed to be fun.

[graciegirl]

Some of these responses are amazing...and a bit sad. I am a golfer (admittedly a poor one) and do play when I can be at my home in TV. I don't take it nearly as serious as some of the respondents do though. It's not a PGA tournament folks; just a game that's supposed to be fun.

Many people move to The Villages because of all of the golf opportunities. Many people have played golf for most of their lives and many people begin to play when they move here. The opportunity to play golf at ALMOST free is a wonderful thing for a majority of people who live here. People who are truly part of the sport have spent endless hours and lots of money chasing that little white ball. Interest in golf doesn't need to be drummed up in this community. Interest in golf may be needing advocates and encouragement and tours of golf courses in some communities but not here.

I don't see anything sad here, I just think that my fellow Buckeye has his eye out for a good cause to back. Golfers want him to look elsewhere.

[Nucky]

Mr. twoplanekid, if I remember correctly at one point you said you would like to run for office when you moved to TV. As your campaign organizer may mention to you this may not be a good subject to press onward with until you would be serving your last term. To put it in aviation terms....It Ain't Gonna Fly!

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Some of these responses are amazing...and a bit sad. I am a golfer (admittedly a poor one) and do play when I can be at my home in TV. I don't take it nearly as serious as some of the respondents do though. It's not a PGA tournament folks; just a game that's supposed to be fun.

The thing about golf is that it can be many things to different people.
To some of us, the fun is in being able to figure out how to play well. It's spending time working at becoming better. WE play golf to play golf.
To others it's more of a social activity and that's fine as long as they move along and don't hold up others that want to play.
I played behind some guys the other day who were intolerably slow. I mentioned it to one of my fellow golfers and he said, that they're probably just like us, retired with no place to go. I explained that I liked to go out to play golf, and not stand around and watch others socialize while I'm waiting to play.
I played with a woman that was holding up the whole golf course one day and she complained that we were going to fast for her. One of her friends told her very nicely that we were holding up the people behind us. Her reply? "I don't care about them."

Some people just like getting out in the fresh air and getting some exercise. Some like to socialize. Some like to try to play the best they can and some like to compete. It would be nice if we could all just get along and recognize and respect each other's desires.

But please, NO NON GOLFERS ON THE GOLF COURSES!!!!

[kcrazorbackfan]

Some of these responses are amazing...and a bit sad. I am a golfer (admittedly a poor one) and do play when I can be at my home in TV. I don't take it nearly as serious as some of the respondents do though. It's not a PGA tournament folks; just a game that's supposed to be fun.

Golf is why my wife and I moved to The Villages. We do take it serious but have fun playing the game, by ourselves and with other couples that take the game serious also, that is, until we get behind those that don't take it serious and do nothing but play "hit and giggle". To each, his own......

[fred53]

It's a "golf course". There are many other places to drive your golf carts that will not impact what happens to the courses. Surely you can be satisfied with over 100 miles of multi-modal paths without the need to put yourselves into areas you were not meant to be....there is nothing you will see on the course that you won't see off the course. The decision to "need" access to golf cart paths is patently self serving to the degree that only another liberal would understand. You want what you are told you can not have...therefore you want it more. It's called "entitled".

There are many places on this planet where vehicles can not go. In order to access them you must take up whatever lifestyle allows you access. Thus it is with golf courses. You want access? Take up golf...or pretend to. Otherwise deal with it!

[kcrazorbackfan]

Please note that I am talking about a once or twice a year event under supervision and guidance. I am sure people would be willing to pay the standard fees for a chance to do something special.

Nope, hope it doesn't ever happen. With the thousands of carts that are continually driving all over the courses and "hardpanning" the fairways and approaches to the greens, more carts driving every where they want to are not needed on the courses. Let the non-golfers see the courses from the roadways or the mmp's.

[Topspinmo]

I think all the benches along carts paths and golf course provide enough view of some hole to see golf course. If that's not good enough for some. Then, take lessons and good golf class and play.

[twoplanekid]

Wow. Greetings and welcome to the Villages as a full time resident. Although our pod was unpacked last week, we are still trying to locate places to store our stuff that should have remained in Ohio. It’s hard to make changes to accommodate a different lifestyle. As I will now have time to do things here, I want to see and experience everything that the Villages have to offer.

I had to laugh at the news article in my post # 39 that describes playing golf as “too hard, too expensive, too time-consuming, too elitist, too sexist and too racist.” We aviators face those same accusations.

One person says in post # 47 “It would be nice if we could all just get along and recognize and respect each other's desires. “ I would hope that would be true for both golfers and non-golfers.

Everyone seems to have a passion or opinion about life in The Villages which is a good thing as long as we can respect others who have differing views. I would hope we can welcome all who want to live in this great place we call the Villages, America’s Friendliest Hometown.

[Taltarzac725]

Belmont Golf Course - The Villages, FL, United States | Swing By Swing (http://www.swingbyswing.com/courses/United-States/FL/The-Villages/Belmont-Golf-Course/24383)

This is a fun resource to see all but the newest Villages' area golf courses from a bird's eye view.

There are some holes I have heard of that are quite pretty to view the scenery from here in the Villages but I do not golf. Yet!

[OhioBuckeye]

I don't know if TV even would allow driving around on golf course even after hrs. because like this gentleman that's asking the question. Do you know golf course rules about NOT driving on fairways on par 3's, & I'm sure someone would evenually drive on the greens, but I know what some people are thinking, of course I knew that, but they don't. I know of 2 incidents of people that's played the first time that drove the cart right up by the hole on the green, seriously! I think if you would call or go to the starter shack or to the pro shop they could tell you for sure.

[twoplanekid]

I don't know if TV even would allow driving around on golf course even after hrs. because like this gentleman that's asking the question. Do you know golf course rules about NOT driving on fairways on par 3's, & I'm sure someone would evenually drive on the greens, but I know what some people are thinking, of course I knew that, but they don't. I know of 2 incidents of people that's played the first time that drove the cart right up by the hole on the green, seriously! I think if you would call or go to the starter shack or to the pro shop they could tell you for sure.

from my post #32 ->

"Again, aircraft owners would not encourage the general public to wander around ramp areas with engines starting and aircraft taxiing. A special event with the public under supervision and learning about how we operate is how we do it.

I am suggesting that non-golfers be given an opportunity to enjoy seeing the courses without having to play golf. A once or twice a year event doesn’t seen too much to ask. Plus, more of the general public would become aware of the issues golfers have with untrained people on the course.

I suppose I could take up the suggestion to just take a time with my wife to just putt some of the courses. However, I would rather be in an organized group that is lead around the course. "

I will go to a starter shack to ask how it might be done! And, I have made the suggestion of a special event on the Villages survey forum.

[graciegirl]

Wow. Greetings and welcome to the Villages as a full time resident. Although our pod was unpacked last week, we are still trying to locate places to store our stuff that should have remained in Ohio. It’s hard to make changes to accommodate a different lifestyle. As I will now have time to do things here, I want to see and experience everything that the Villages have to offer.

I had to laugh at the news article in my post # 39 that describes playing golf as “too hard, too expensive, too time-consuming, too elitist, too sexist and too racist.” We aviators face those same accusations.

One person says in post # 47 “It would be nice if we could all just get along and recognize and respect each other's desires. “ I would hope that would be true for both golfers and non-golfers.

Everyone seems to have a passion or opinion about life in The Villages which is a good thing as long as we can respect others who have differing views. I would hope we can welcome all who want to live in this great place we call the Villages, America’s Friendliest Hometown.

Two Plane. Perhaps you should try harder to see things the way they are and see how many decisions have been pondered and tried over time to get to this almost perfect appeal in a place where we don't vote on every little detail. Most of us do not want a regular community run like Ocala or Orlando. We are satisfied with this large CDD and the way it's run.

It would be good if YOU respected the differing views too. I very much doubt what you are presenting would have wide spread appeal.

We all moved from where things were run differently. We all moved where there was better this or that; traffic, water bills, teaching hospitals, pizza, corn, tomatoes, and unaccented speech, but overall the lack of snow and the clean and beautiful spaces are very appealing as is the company of people who have five decades or more of experiences to share.

I really have not met anyone who was lied to or pressured to move here. The same geo-climate is in Stonecrest and Tampa has a newspaper with the other political slant. Orlando has Disney, crime and kids. We were all free to decide to live here because most of us did not look at it as a wonderful opportunity to cause CHANGE.

Welcome Rick. I hope that you and the missus join the Ohio clubs, all three of them, visit the Cincinnati Club, and enjoy your fellow aviators. Coffee pot is always on at our house. We may disagree on some things but we will find much common ground as Buckeyes. I sincerely hope you will find happiness here.

Grace Gantner

[kcrazorbackfan]

Two Plane. Perhaps you should try harder to see things the way they are and see how many decisions have been pondered and tried over time to get to this almost perfect appeal in a place where we don't vote on every little detail. Most of us do not want a regular community run like Ocala or Orlando. We are satisfied with this large CDD and the way it's run.

It would be good if YOU respected the differing views too. I very much doubt what you are presenting would have wide spread appeal.

We all moved from where things were run differently. We all moved where there was better this or that; traffic, water bills, teaching hospitals, pizza, corn, tomatoes, and unaccented speech, but overall the lack of snow and the clean and beautiful spaces are very appealing as is the company of people who have five decades or more of experiences to share.

I really have not met anyone who was lied to or pressured to move here. The same geo-climate is in Stonecrest and Tampa has a newspaper with the other political slant. Orlando has Disney, crime and kids. We were all free to decide to live here because most of us did not look at it as a wonderful opportunity to cause CHANGE.

Welcome Rick. I hope that you and the missus join the Ohio clubs, all three of them, visit the Cincinnati Club, and enjoy your fellow aviators. Coffee pot is always on at our house. We may disagree on some things but we will find much common ground as Buckeyes. I sincerely hope you will find happiness here.

Grace Gantner

:BigApplause::BigApplause:

[twoplanekid]

Calm down Grace and I know you don’t like change. I asked a simple question, presented my thoughts and stated that I have submitted my ideas on The Villages survey. As the survey is under the auspices of the developer, I would hope you would agree with them when they ask for our help to make things even better for everyone living in TV. Yes, some ideas will fly and some won't.

[justjim]

from my post #32 ->

"Again, aircraft owners would not encourage the general public to wander around ramp areas with engines starting and aircraft taxiing. A special event with the public under supervision and learning about how we operate is how we do it.

I am suggesting that non-golfers be given an opportunity to enjoy seeing the courses without having to play golf. A once or twice a year event doesn’t seen too much to ask. Plus, more of the general public would become aware of the issues golfers have with untrained people on the course.

I suppose I could take up the suggestion to just take a time with my wife to just putt some of the courses. However, I would rather be in an organized group that is lead around the course. "

I will go to a starter shack to ask how it might be done! And, I have made the suggestion of a special event on the Villages survey forum.

Twoplanekid: As I already mentioned in my previous post, (#25) my first thought "this won't fly". No pun intended. But... I thought you have a creative idea and why not give it a go!

As usual you have disagreement among posters, especially those with strong opinions. With few exceptions, most of us like "things" the way they are in The Villages. Thinking "outside the box" is rarely acceptable especially in a sport as old and traditional as golf. Enough said. I look forward to meeting you sometime around The Villages.

[NJblue]

Wow, this seems like a perfectly reasonable request and one that can be very easily made possible with no impact to golfers. Yet, based on most responses, one would think that twoplanekid proposed using the golf courses for steeple chase events. As was mentioned earlier, all of the courses are closed on a regular basis for maintenance. I live on a course and know for a fact that this maintenance does not occur from sunup to sundown. It would be very easy to designate an hour or two once in awhile to each course to allow our non-golfing neighbors to traverse the cart paths. So, as I see it, the number of amenity paying golfers who would be negatively affected - zero; the number of amenity paying non-golfers positively affected - at least two.

From a Wolverine to a Buckeye - I'm on your side (until that Saturday at the end of November).

[Mikeod]

Just thinking of the vastly different thoughts that could go through the minds of people touring the course compared to golfers playing it.

"Oh, look at the beautiful pond they have next to that green with the pretty white sand in places."

Vs.

"Oh crap, another water hazard next to a green and look at all the traps around it!"

[ColdNoMore]

Calm down Grace and I know you don’t like change. I asked a simple question, presented my thoughts and stated that I have submitted my ideas on The Villages survey. As the survey is under the auspices of the developer, I would hope you would agree with them when they ask for our help to make things even better for everyone living in TV. Yes, some ideas will fly and some won't.

Well stated. :thumbup:



Twoplanekid: As I already mentioned in my previous post, (#25) my first thought "this won't fly". No pun intended. But... I thought you have a creative idea and why not give it a go!

As usual you have disagreement among posters, especially those with strong opinions. With few exceptions, most of us like "things" the way they are in The Villages. Thinking "outside the box" is rarely acceptable especially in a sport as old and traditional as golf. Enough said. I look forward to meeting you sometime around The Villages.

As an avid golfer on the championship courses, two-plane's idea initially struck me negatively...and as being quite naive.

Upon further reflection however...I'm coming around to your thoughts on it. :cool:

While some very specific rules, protocols, oversight/supervision and limited times to do this (twice a year?) would need to be established up front...I don't really see the harm it would do.

And while I don't exactly relish the thought of having more golfers become interested in taking up tee times, I can also see the larger picture in that golf is actually losing participants in recent years (discounting our little anomaly here) and 'growing the game'...should be the goal of everyone who truly loves to play. :ho:

Along those lines, making one of these 'non-golf tours' to coincide with the peak of summer break for kids...might be a good idea.


Golf's decline takes toll on retailers (http://www.jsonline.com/story/money/business/2016/08/17/golfs-decline-takes-toll-retailers/88894804/)

Millennials, the key to the sport’s future, are shunning the expensive and time-consuming game in favor of more instantly gratifying pursuits such as Pokemon Go and Netflix binges. That’s bad news for companies like Nike and Adidas AG, which said in May that it was starting talks with potential buyers for the bulk of its golf unit, TaylorMade, which generates about $1 billion in annual sales.

“In any sport, you’ve got to get young participation to drive long-term growth,” said Brian Yarbrough, an analyst at Edward Jones & Co. who covers Nike. “You’ve got to have a crop of younger people coming in at 20, 25 years old who will play the game 20, 40 years. You are not seeing enough of that.”

The number of U.S. golfers dropped to 24.1 million in 2015 from a peak of 30.6 million in 2003, during the height of Tiger Woods mania, according to the National Golf Foundation. The decline among young people is even more troubling: The participation rate has fallen 30% over the past two decades. In the United Kingdom, where modern golf originated, the average age of once-a-week players jumped to 63 in 2014 from 48 in 2009.

[ColdNoMore]

Just thinking of the vastly different thoughts that could go through the minds of people touring the course compared to golfers playing it.

"Oh, look at the beautiful pond they have next to that green with the pretty white sand in places."

Vs.

"Oh crap, another water hazard next to a green and look at all the traps around it!"

Excellent. :1rotfl:

Which brings to mind Robin Williams' classic stand-up routine on golf, which I won't link here...as it is definitely NSFAFS (Not Safe For A Family Site). :D

[pqrstar]

Actually The Villages does give us a sort of annual "Open House" on the golf courses.

Free golf on Christmas Day, no tee times required.
Just show up.

[ColdNoMore]

Actually The Villages does give us a sort of annual "Open House" on the golf courses.

Free golf on Christmas Day, no tee times required.
Just show up.

That would work for golfers who are actually playing, but would be a disaster and a huge safety issue (as mentioned in other posts above)...if some were just cruising around rubber-necking. :ohdear:

[bbbbbb]

For those of us who don’t golf, is there a way to drive a golf cart around the golf courses to take a look. Everyone in TV pays amenity fees to support the maintenance of these beautiful courses. Yet, those of us who don’t or can’t golf miss the beautiful views taken in by those that do.

So, can’t there be a time when non-golfers can sneak a peek at the courses. Maybe I have missed events such as this in the past as I am only now a full time resident. Of course this should be done in such a way as to minimize the inconveniences it might create for golfers and only take place a few times in the year. One event could be a caravan of carts following leaders who know the way. Some might even want to take up golf after seeing firsthand the fields of play.

This is my suggestion that I posted on the Villages survey for others and you to think about.

bbbbbb Yes that would be so nice, so let us look at this topic and I am serious.
1. How about bikes ?
2. What about the persons heading home after 4 Happy Hours ?
3. Can an activity be enjoyed where no money is involved ?
4. Would it be great to just walk the courses ?
Thank you !!!

[Mleeja]

Under the correct circumstances non-playing spectators are allowed on Executive Golf Courses. Below I have copied the appropriate regulations. I can't find anything for the Championship Courses, albeit a few of years ago, I was able to ride as a non-playing spectator on a championship course while I was visiting a resident friend.

Executive Course Spectator Policy
As approved by The District Boards, commencing May 2015 regarding the Spectator Policy on Executive Courses.
 Spectators are allowed, and must follow golf course guidelines
 No Charge for residents/guests with a valid resident/guest ID card
 Spectator Tags will be issued; If a spectator is caught playing, they must pay the appropriate fees
and golfing privileges will be suspended for 30 days.
 Spectators must be at least 10 years of age with an accompanied resident/guest
 Spectator golf cars must remain on the path
 One (1) spectator limit per person, with a maximum of four (4) spectators per foursome not to
exceed four (4) total golf carts

[Bogie Shooter]

Under the correct circumstances non-playing spectators are allowed on Executive Golf Courses. Below I have copied the appropriate regulations. I can't find anything for the Championship Courses, albeit a few of years ago, I was able to ride as a non-playing spectator on a championship course while I was visiting a resident friend.

Executive Course Spectator Policy
As approved by The District Boards, commencing May 2015 regarding the Spectator Policy on Executive Courses.
 Spectators are allowed, and must follow golf course guidelines
 No Charge for residents/guests with a valid resident/guest ID card
 Spectator Tags will be issued; If a spectator is caught playing, they must pay the appropriate fees
and golfing privileges will be suspended for 30 days.
 Spectators must be at least 10 years of age with an accompanied resident/guest
 Spectator golf cars must remain on the path
 One (1) spectator limit per person, with a maximum of four (4) spectators per foursome not to
exceed four (4) total golf carts

See post #8.

[OhioBuckeye]

from my post #32 ->

"Again, aircraft owners would not encourage the general public to wander around ramp areas with engines starting and aircraft taxiing. A special event with the public under supervision and learning about how we operate is how we do it.

I am suggesting that non-golfers be given an opportunity to enjoy seeing the courses without having to play golf. A once or twice a year event doesn’t seen too much to ask. Plus, more of the general public would become aware of the issues golfers have with untrained people on the course.

I suppose I could take up the suggestion to just take a time with my wife to just putt some of the courses. However, I would rather be in an organized group that is lead around the course. "

I will go to a starter shack to ask how it might be done! And, I have made the suggestion of a special event on the Villages survey forum.

You made some excellent points. Great Post!