Thinking and caring about the people from Manchester.

[graciegirl]

So frightening and sad to hear of another terrorist attack.

[Taltarzac725]

So frightening and sad to hear of another terrorist attack.

They have been going on since 1867. Terrorism in Europe - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe)

Clerkenwell explosion - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clerkenwell_explosion)

2017 Manchester Arena incident - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Manchester_Arena_incident)

[graciegirl]

They have been going on since 1867. Terrorism in Europe - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe)

Clerkenwell explosion - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clerkenwell_explosion)

2017 Manchester Arena incident - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Manchester_Arena_incident)

The recent ones caused by Islamic Terrorists are the ones that worry most of us at this time.

[NotGolfer]

They have been going on since 1867. Terrorism in Europe - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Europe)

Clerkenwell explosion - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clerkenwell_explosion)

2017 Manchester Arena incident - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Manchester_Arena_incident)

This doesn't make it any less horrific and tragic! Praying for their families and friends (and country as well)!!!

[Taltarzac725]

This doesn't make it any less horrific and tragic! Praying for their families and friends (and country as well)!!!

Of course it does not mean it anything like that. Very scary indeed but man's inhumanity to man is nothing new. It is as old as the Old Testament or Homer's tales of the fall of Troy and its aftermath. The weapons have just become more and more destructive. I have a grand niece that is about the same age as many of the girls as at that Ariana Grande concert.

[Schaumburger]

Most of Ariana Grande's fan base are teens and pre-teens, so imagine what the events of yesterday have done to their world view. :cry:

When I think about how much life has changed in the 40+ years since I was a teenager...I never worried about a classmate bringing a weapon to school and using it on the students. I never thought twice about going to a concert or sporting event and worrying about a suicide bomber wrecking havoc on attendees. A passenger could walk onto an airplane without going through security, etc., etc.

Thirty years from now when my 3 nieces are in their 40's and 50's, what will their world be like?

[rubicon]

Schamburger my thoughts also every time something like this happens.

I wonder why if our politicians, educators, law enforcement, clergy, parents, etc are doing so well then how is it then that schools have to have metal detectors, or that authorities admitted that the vast majority of working people would fail a drug test .

We have been living this awful way for so long, as reflect in our art entertainment and we have become accustom to it as being normal. And the saddest part about it all is that we are doing it to ourselves

[Villager Joyce]

Schamburger my thoughts also every time something like this happens.

I wonder why if our politicians, educators, law enforcement, clergy, parents, etc are doing so well then how is it then that schools have to have metal detectors, or that authorities admitted that the vast majority of working people would fail a drug test .

We have been living this awful way for so long, as reflect in our art entertainment and we have become accustom to it as being normal. And the saddest part about it all is that we are doing it to ourselves

So true. You and Schamburger are absolutely right.

[redwitch]

I hate the world my grandson is growing up in. It is violent and mean-spirited. Kindness and basic decency just seem to be words spoken, but rarely deeds witnessed. Finding a wallet with money in it and returning it to the owner is something that has to be reported in the news rather than something taken for granted. Children killing children is an everyday occurrence. Racial hatred and bigotry is escalating. The best we can do is lead by example. Show our children and grandchildren that violence does no good, that kindness can make a difference, that honesty does matter. I don't know how we can change the world, but I do know that hating and fearing only make things worse. I hope and pray that we can find a way to come together.

[Taltarzac725]

I hate the world my grandson is growing up in. It is violent and mean-spirited. Kindness and basic decency just seem to be words spoken, but rarely deeds witnessed. Finding a wallet with money in it and returning it to the owner is something that has to be reported in the news rather than something taken for granted. Children killing children is an everyday occurrence. Racial hatred and bigotry is escalating. The best we can do is lead by example. Show our children and grandchildren that violence does no good, that kindness can make a difference, that honesty does matter. I don't know how we can change the world, but I do know that hating and fearing only make things worse. I hope and pray that we can find a way to come together.

Manchester Arena: Theresa May says police know identity of bomber who killed 22– latest | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2017/may/22/manchester-arena-ariana-grande-concert-explosion-england)

As usual very well put Redwitch. The Bible and the life of Jesus Christ should be an inspiration of how to treat other people. There was incredible evil in his time as well. But, he stood above it.

[Happinow]

Saddest part about this attack is that the FBI had a "heads up" that there could be an attack at this concert and did nothing to prevent it. Seems they have a lot of blood on their hands.

[Taltarzac725]

Saddest part about this attack is that the FBI had a "heads up" that there could be an attack at this concert and did nothing to prevent it. Seems they have a lot of blood on their hands.

Would that not be Interpol on some other European police problem though? I am sure that the FBI would have shared such information?

I do hate it when the terrorists take over another normal place of business or fun and turn it into a place of post traumatic stress for many people. ISIS has taken credit for this attack.

[Allegiance]

Some people will always try to use history to justify bad behavior.

Others see it for what it is.

[ColdNoMore]

I hate the world my grandson is growing up in. It is violent and mean-spirited. Kindness and basic decency just seem to be words spoken, but rarely deeds witnessed. Finding a wallet with money in it and returning it to the owner is something that has to be reported in the news rather than something taken for granted. Children killing children is an everyday occurrence. Racial hatred and bigotry is escalating. The best we can do is lead by example. Show our children and grandchildren that violence does no good, that kindness can make a difference, that honesty does matter. I don't know how we can change the world, but I do know that hating and fearing only make things worse. I hope and pray that we can find a way to come together.

:bigbow:


It's hard to comprehend the hate that it takes to kill young kids and my heart goes out to all of the victims and their families. :(

[Taltarzac725]

:bigbow:


It's hard to comprehend the hate that it takes to kill young kids and my heart goes out to all of the victims and their families. :(

And these victims/survivors are never going to experience life in the same way every again because of the evil of this one man and whoever helped him or drove him to do such a despicable act.

[Bjeanj]

Saddest part about this attack is that the FBI had a "heads up" that there could be an attack at this concert and did nothing to prevent it. Seems they have a lot of blood on their hands.

Cite your source for that please.

[Taltarzac725]

Ariana Grande on Manchester Bombing: 'I am so so sorry. I don't have words.' - Towleroad (http://www.towleroad.com/2017/05/manchester-bombing/)

And these things have a huge load on the survivor/victims in the celebrities involved. But do give them opportunities to really bring people together and stand against this kind of evil. Quite a burden though to put on someone usually not trained for anything like this.

[Happinow]

Cite your source for that please.

Fox Business News had it on yesterday when the attack happened. It was on the screen for all to read.

[graciegirl]

Fox Business News had it on yesterday when the attack happened. It was on the screen for all to read.

The FBI is the United State's agency. (????) Are you SURE that is what you read?

There have been warnings from our State Department about any large gatherings in Europe, including music venues, issued repeatedly. I was concerned about grandchildren last summer attending a large concert in Barcelona.

[justjim]

We have not traveled abroad that much (couple of times) but Manchester was one of our brief stops. We found England, Scotland and Ireland residents so friendly and laid back. On our visit to Saint Andrews (home of golf) as non-golfers on a trip they even let us go out on a couple of holes for photos.

It's so very sad all the nice people have to put up with the ones taught to kill and hate. And that's what Extremist do---teach their children and others to hate and kill. ������ Prayers for the people of Manchester and especially the children. For some of us, this area of the world is where our ancestors came to find better opportunities in the New World. Peace.

[Allegiance]

Watch the tourism numbers.

[Bogie Shooter]

Saddest part about this attack is that the FBI had a "heads up" that there could be an attack at this concert and did nothing to prevent it. Seems they have a lot of blood on their hands.

So, how do you know that?

[Bogie Shooter]

Fox Business News had it on yesterday when the attack happened. It was on the screen for all to read.

Oh, that explains it all...................................

[golfing eagles]

:bigbow:


It's hard to comprehend the hate that it takes to kill young kids and my heart goes out to all of the victims and their families. :(

I saw an expert on ISIS interviewed this AM and he was asked how they could target children in the name of Islam. He stated that targeting children is considered totally acceptable because:

1) Their parents pay taxes that are use to fight against the establishment of a worldwide caliphate under sharia law

2) By attacking their children, parents will be discouraged and want to surrender

3) The children will grow up to breed more "infidels", whom they will eventually have to kill anyway.

So how do we fight this mental illness????

[graciegirl]

Worldwide Caution (https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/worldwide-caution.html)

[kcrazorbackfan]

Very sad and unsettling; only a matter of time until something like this happens again in the US.

[graciegirl]

Very sad and unsettling; only a matter of time until something like this happens again in the US.

I absolutely agree.

[Taltarzac725]

Very sad and unsettling; only a matter of time until something like this happens again in the US.

Yes. But people should always keep there guard up. If you see something; say something. That foiled plot here in the Villages involving the high school even if that was just some punk kids mouthing off. It sometimes does not take much to make one of these grudges against an institution something a whole lot more tragic.

[TheDude]

The Manchester situation is something that shouldn't be forgotten. Each death isn't just a photo on the television, it is a person, with family and friends. The aren't pets, they were people. I saw 9/11 and the aftermath, and to see all the 8 x 11 1/2 pages of photos taped to the walls of all the hospitals as loved ones looked for the missing (and later found to be dead) was heartbreaking. This is heartbreaking also.

[Schaumburger]

I hate the world my grandson is growing up in. It is violent and mean-spirited. Kindness and basic decency just seem to be words spoken, but rarely deeds witnessed. Finding a wallet with money in it and returning it to the owner is something that has to be reported in the news rather than something taken for granted. Children killing children is an everyday occurrence. Racial hatred and bigotry is escalating. The best we can do is lead by example. Show our children and grandchildren that violence does no good, that kindness can make a difference, that honesty does matter. I don't know how we can change the world, but I do know that hating and fearing only make things worse. I hope and pray that we can find a way to come together.

I see the good and kindness in people, and I feel encouraged. I watch the news on TV and feel discouraged.

Off topic, but there are still kind people, even in a large metropolitan area like Chicago. Last week I was driving home from work, stopped at a traffic light. A lady came up to my driver's side window and told me that one of my rear taillights was out. What a nice thing for her to do! I drove straight to Jiffy Lube to have that bulb replaced. That lady may have saved me from a traffic ticket. So there are still kind, decent people in this world. They just don't make the lead story on TV every night.

[Taltarzac725]

I see the good and kindness in people, and I feel encouraged. I watch the news on TV and feel discouraged.

Off topic, but there are still kind people, even in a large metropolitan area like Chicago. Last week I was driving home from work, stopped at a traffic light. A lady came up to my driver's side window and told me that one of my rear taillights was out. What a nice thing for her to do! I drove straight to Jiffy Lube to have that bulb replaced. That lady may have saved me from a traffic ticket. So there are still kind, decent people in this world. They just don't make the lead story on TV every night.

Some of the CBS "On the Road" stories cover people doing good. CBS Evening News - On The Road - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/evening-news/on-the-road/)

And I remember how many people went out of their way to help the victims/survivors of the Orlando Pulse Night Club shooting on 6-12-2016. 2016 Orlando nightclub shooting - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Orlando_nightclub_shooting) I had to wait a while to get into give platelets at the One Blood branch office here in the Villages because of all the people who were coming in and trying to donate blood a few days after that.

[Schaumburger]

I hope the people affected by the events earlier this week in Manchester know that most of the people in the West stand with them.

I know it is a scary world out there, but if we don't live our lives (but be vigilant) and attend events that bring us joy, then the terrorists have won. This statement has been said and posted many times since 9/11.

[Taltarzac725]

I hope the people affected by the events earlier this week in Manchester know that most of the people in the West stand with them.

I know it is a scary world out there, but if we don't live our lives (but be vigilant) and attend events that bring us joy, then the terrorists have won. This statement has been said and posted many times since 9/11.

True. I celebrate birthdays as much as I can and my high school English teacher Barbara Mitchell's daughter Michelle Mitchell was murdered on 2-24 in 1976 near the University of Nevada, Reno campus. 2-24 in my actual birthday. She was a 19 year old nursing student. The murder is probably solved now correctly in 2017 but as far as I know is still an open case. It was probably a man known as the Gypsy Hill killer or the San Mateo Slasher-- Rodney Halbower. I got four degrees to try to help people by getting practical materials for survivors/victims of crimes accessible in or through libraries. Been fighting the powers that be on-and-off since January or so of 1991. Many Chicago connections to this as many of the associations I have tried to persuade its members to get involved are in Chicago. You cannot let the negativity and just plain evil acts of some people stop you.

I like it that the authorities in the UK called out the US media for putting too much emphasis on the perpetrator of the despicable bombing rather than focusing on the survivors/victims. They even -- the media in the US-- showed pictures of the bomb and the like. That's dumb. You are supposed to keep some things secret which they did with the 2-24- 1976 Michelle Mitchell murder even if that turned out to be a mess up of Titanic proportion as far as justice is concerned. A paranoid schizophrenic Cathy Woods was railroaded because the cops and the community wanted the matter closed and she was in a mental ward from about 1979 through 2015 for a false confession and numerous appeals.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

So frightening and sad to hear of another terrorist attack.

There have been at least two other terrorist attacks in the past few days that didn't make the news.

ISIS-linked militants reportedly captured nine Christians, tied their hands together and shot them dead in a city in the southern province of Mindanao in The Philippines.

Twenty eight Coptic Christians were shot to death by ISIS linked terrorists while on a bus in Minya Egypt yesterday.

On Wednesday, Three police officers were killed and ten others, five police officers and five civilians, injured when two suicide bombers blew themselves up at a bus stop in Ja****a, India. The police confirmed that the bombers were members of Jamaah Ansharut Tauhid, a group links to Islamic State.

These are only a few of the terrorist attacks that have happened in the past week that the media didn't report. The problem is a lot worse than what we are led to believe.

It seems that if it doesn't happen in The U.S. or Europe our media doesn't care about it. Either that or they are trying to minimize just how big of a problem this is.

[Taltarzac725]

There have been at least two other terrorist attacks in the past few days that didn't make the news.

ISIS-linked militants reportedly captured nine Christians, tied their hands together and shot them dead in a city in the southern province of Mindanao in The Philippines.

Twenty eight Coptic Christians were shot to death by ISIS linked terrorists while on a bus in Minya Egypt yesterday.

On Wednesday, Three police officers were killed and ten others, five police officers and five civilians, injured when two suicide bombers blew themselves up at a bus stop in Ja****a, India. The police confirmed that the bombers were members of Jamaah Ansharut Tauhid, a group links to Islamic State.

These are only a few of the terrorist attacks that have happened in the past week that the media didn't report. The problem is a lot worse than what we are led to believe.

It seems that if it doesn't happen in The U.S. or Europe our media doesn't care about it. Either that or they are trying to minimize just how big of a problem this is.

I saw the bus attack reported on the news as well as the other matters. This was on CBS or ABC's National News. There were more in the middle of the telecasts but were there.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I saw the bus attack reported on the news as well as the other matters. This was on CBS or ABC's National News. There were more in the middle of the telecasts but were there.

You could be right. I don't watch network news so I wouldn't know. But 28 people killed in one incident, nine in another, and ten in a third and they get maybe one mention by the networks while they go on and on about Manchester. Are the lives of British subjects more valuable than people in other parts of the world or is it because it seems to make it more like it could happen here?

I really don't have any idea why the networks and most cable news outlets pick and choose their stories but it seems to me that what we get is what they want us to hear.

[Rockyrd]

You could be right. I don't watch network news so I wouldn't know. But 28 people killed in one incident, nine in another, and ten in a third and they get maybe one mention by the networks while they go on and on about Manchester. Are the lives of British subjects more valuable than people in other parts of the world or is it because it seems to make it more like it could happen here?

I really don't have any idea why the networks and most cable news outlets pick and choose their stories but it seems to me that what we get is what they want us to hear.

All covered quite extensively. NYTimes had feature stories on both as they unfolded along with Washington Post. And actually I think all 3 cable channels covered them as well, but keep this in mind...

Egypt, while not on the "banned list" is a terrorist country and the Phillipines, also not on the list, has been becoming infested of the past year with ISIS. Much about this I have seen and read.

The stories from an accepted and approved terrorist country will never get the coverage that a Christian nation will get.

Egypt has long been considered a "terrorist" country.

Eiffel Tower Goes Dark as World Leaders Condemn Attack in Egypt’s Minya Eiffel Tower Goes Dark as World Leaders Condemn Attack in Egypt’s Minya | Egyptian Streets (https://egyptianstreets.com/2017/05/27/eiffel-tower-goes-dark-as-world-leaders-condemn-attack-in-egypts-minya/)

I just need to weigh in when I see the media criticized with no basis in fact....I am sorry. Again, it is not just a small group that condemns terrorism

ISIS in Southeast Asia: Philippines battles growing threat - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/28/asia/isis-threat-southeast-asia/)

[HimandMe]

Theresa May has said, "Enough is enough". Have you ever tried to find a good movie lately without going through 50 full of violence first? When do we start saying enough and enough and pass it on through our children and grand children?

We are all conditioned in various ways and some cultures have reached the terrorist stage. It's so sad.

[Taltarzac725]

Theresa May has said, "Enough is enough". Have you ever tried to find a good movie lately without going through 50 full of violence first? When do we start saying enough and enough and pass it on through our children and grand children?

We are all conditioned in various ways and some cultures have reached the terrorist stage. It's so sad.

Must be hard raising a kid in this age when violence is in every media especially video games and the like.

[Rockyrd]

Theresa May has said, "Enough is enough". Have you ever tried to find a good movie lately without going through 50 full of violence first? When do we start saying enough and enough and pass it on through our children and grand children?

We are all conditioned in various ways and some cultures have reached the terrorist stage. It's so sad.

And our country had sarcasm for the Mayor of London, which now is creating, at least a temporary rift with English Ambassador.

Their enemy is our enemy. That should and will get our sympathy and strength.

[Allegiance]

...

[golfing eagles]

Those last 3 (original) comments must have been REAL interesting:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[graciegirl]

So frightening and sad to hear about another terrorist attack.

[ColdNoMore]

Although this link is 6 years old...the basics remain the same. :shrug:

You're More Likely to Die from Brain-Eating Parasites, Alcoholism, Obesity, Medical Errors, Risky Sexual Behavior or Just About Anything OTHER THAN Terrorism (http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/04/statistics-you-are-not-going-to-be-killed-by-terrorists.html)

Calm Down … You Are Much More Likely to Be Killed By Boring, Mundane Things than Terrorism

We noted in 2011:

– You are 17,600 times more likely to die from heart disease than from a terrorist attack

– You are 12,571 times more likely to die from cancer than from a terrorist attack

— You are 11,000 times more likely to die in an airplane accident than from a terrorist plot involving an airplane

— You are 1048 times more likely to die from a car accident than from a terrorist attack

–You are 404 times more likely to die in a fall than from a terrorist attack

— You are 87 times more likely to drown than die in a terrorist attack

– You are 13 times more likely to die in a railway accident than from a terrorist attack

–You are 12 times more likely to die from accidental suffocation in bed than from a terrorist attack

–You are 9 times more likely to choke to death on your own vomit than die in a terrorist attack

–You are 8 times more likely to be killed by a police officer than by a terrorist

–You are 8 times more likely to die from accidental electrocution than from a terrorist attack

– You are 6 times more likely to die from hot weather than from a terrorist attack

[golfing eagles]

Although this link is 6 years old...the basics remain the same. :shrug:

You're More Likely to Die from Brain-Eating Parasites, Alcoholism, Obesity, Medical Errors, Risky Sexual Behavior or Just About Anything OTHER THAN Terrorism (http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/04/statistics-you-are-not-going-to-be-killed-by-terrorists.html)

All true, but none of those are deliberately caused by psychotic fanatics, and most of them do not provide a target for retaliation.

[ColdNoMore]

All true, but none of those are deliberately caused by psychotic fanatics, and most of them do not provide a target for retaliation.

I know you're smart enough to realize that there's one primary reason, for the irrational fear of being killed by a terrorist...but that belongs more appropriately in the Political Forum. :ho:

Not to mention, that a large number of the causes listed...can be directly controlled. :shrug:

[golfing eagles]

I know you're smart enough to realize that there's one primary reason, for the irrational fear of being killed by a terrorist...but that belongs more appropriately in the Political Forum. :ho:

Not to mention, that a large number of the causes listed...can be directly controlled. :shrug:

exactly my point!

[ColdNoMore]

exactly my point!

I am an advocate of rooting out ALL extremists and taking the appropriate actions to eliminate/prosecute them...not just certain ones.

Especially given that a lot of our own homegrown extremists...are not associated with the ones so many fear.

Fearing the ones less likely to kill us, more than the ones who are more likely... still seems 'irrational' to me. :shrug:

For your perusal. :ho:

Majority of fatal attacks on U.S. soil carried out by white supremacists, not terrorists - Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/24/majority-of-fatal-attacks-on-us-soil-carried-out-b/)

In the 14 years since the Sept. 11 terror attacks, nearly twice as many people have been killed in the United States by white supremacists and anti-government radicals than by Muslim jihadis, according to a new study.

White supremacists and anti-government radicals have killed 48 Americans, including last week’s deadly attack in South Carolina, versus 26 killings by Muslim radicals, according to a count by New America, a Washington research center.

New America program associate David Sterman said the study shows that white supremacy and anti-government idealists are a major problem, that their growth rate needs to be addressed and that there is an “ignored threat” woven in the fabric of American society.

[golfing eagles]

I am an advocate of rooting out ALL extremists and taking the appropriate actions to eliminate/prosecute them...not just certain ones.

Especially given that a lot of our own homegrown extremists...are not associated with the ones so many fear.

Fearing the ones less likely to kill us, more than the ones who are more likely... still seems 'irrational' to me. :shrug:

For your perusal. :ho:

Majority of fatal attacks on U.S. soil carried out by white supremacists, not terrorists - Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/24/majority-of-fatal-attacks-on-us-soil-carried-out-b/)

Not sure I agree with the statistics:

Terrorist attacks by violent jihadis in the US since 9/11 | US news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/05/terrorist-attacks-by-islamists-in-the-us-since-911)

Add Orlando and that brings the total to 95 since 9/11, so maybe twice as many killed by Islamic terrorists than white supremacists?