Run in's with Recreation Dept.

[jaringg]

Have any of you heard or know of persons or groups that have had problems with the Rec. Dept. ??


I received an interesting answer "throw the book" my question what or is "the Book"

[redwitch]

Only issues I've ever heard of was when a group ran over its time and staff had to almost forcibly remove them. Over all, I'd say the staff go out of their way to be helpful. Guests, on the other hand, have not always been nice when they couldn't have their way.

[Bogie Shooter]

Have any of you heard or know of persons or groups that have had problems with the Rec. Dept. ??

Did you have a problem?

[Madelaine Amee]

Have any of you heard or know of persons or groups that have had problems with the Rec. Dept. ??

There is a lady on the desk at Laurel Manor who is less than obliging. I always feel about eight years old when I have to speak to her. Other than that, no problems, always thoughtful and helpful people.

[karostay]

One works at the Seabreeze front desk also

[VApeople]

When I deal with nasty people, my goal is to irritate them more than they irritate me.

[Taltarzac725]

When I deal with nasty people, my goal is to irritate them more than they irritate me.

I just put them on my Ignore List and that seems to really get their goats. Do not give then any control over you.

A troll in real life is another matter. Better to get some extra bacon so to speak by being nice rather than ending up with something else. And the bacon in the Rec Center situation might be some more time on the billiards table or the exercise equipment.

[charmed59]

We were playing tennis in the middle of a match at Colony a few months ago on a court we reserved when a Rec Dept guy walked onto our court and wanted us to move so he could stand in the shade while checking in pickle ball players. Note, there was shade on the pickle ball courts. We told him no, we were not going to stop our match to move all our stuff just so we couldn't have shade for our change overs.

He stomped off, and came back 5 minutes later, stopping play again, to ask for our ID cards. Three of us had them, one had left hers in her golf bag. He got very huffy and said he'd have to cite her and fill out a form. We told him to send his supervisor out with the form and she would sign it.

His supervisor came out about 20 minutes later to apologize. No form necessary.

[CFrance]

They aren't supposed to stop a game in play (or get you out of a pool) to show ID. That happened to us once, and we said we would show IDs at the end of the game. The woman got bored and left. This was at Hibiscus. That has been our only negative encounter with a Rec Dept. employee.

[Taltarzac725]

They aren't supposed to stop a game in play (or get you out of a pool) to show ID. That happened to us once, and we said we would show IDs at the end of the game. The woman got bored and left. This was at Hibiscus. That has been our only negative encounter with a Rec Dept. employee.

I have encountered many librarians on power trips since 1988 or so. I suppose every profession has people who need to take control of things.

[village dreamer]

never ever had a problem, I find them very helpful and nice.

[graciegirl]

I haven't ever run into anyone who was a real problem. What is the problem that you are having, OP???????????????????????????????????????????????? ????

[Rapscallion St Croix]

They were less than accommodating when I wanted to start an indoor mumbly peg league. Other than that, no problems.

[dbussone]

They aren't supposed to stop a game in play (or get you out of a pool) to show ID. That happened to us once, and we said we would show IDs at the end of the game. The woman got bored and left. This was at Hibiscus. That has been our only negative encounter with a Rec Dept. employee.



Tennis, itself, is a negative experience for me.


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[pauld315]

When I deal with nasty people, my goal is to irritate them more than they irritate me.

I will take it a couple of times (everyone has their bad days) but if it happens more than that, I ask them "Are you always this pleasant?" Don't let them get away with changing the subject, make them answer. Normally, they apologize and you have no further issues with them.

Usually, these people have already been warned by management about their behavior but it takes time to change somebody's demeanor and the more you just let them get away with it the longer it lasts.

[Fraugoofy]

There is a lady on the desk at Laurel Manor who is less than obliging. I always feel about eight years old when I have to speak to her. Other than that, no problems, always thoughtful and helpful people.
I absolutely agree with this. How she can still have a job there is beyond me!

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[SFSkol]

I have encountered many librarians on power trips since 1988 or so. I suppose every profession has people who need to take control of things.

We should throw the book at them.

[jaringg]

what is the"book"

[ColdNoMore]

We should throw the book at them.


:oops:



:1rotfl:



Excellent! :bigbow:



The real issue comes up when deciding whether to discipline them...or not.

I can imagine the conundrum of those in authority, while they're thinking.... "Dewey or Don'twe." :D

[SFSkol]

It's an idiom.

throw the book at someone
Fig. to charge or convict someone with as many crimes as is possible. "I made the police officer angry, so he took me to the station and threw the book at me. The judge threatened to throw the book at me if I didn't stop insulting the police officer."

Book .... Librarian
(joke)

[golfing eagles]

:oops:



:1rotfl:



Excellent! :bigbow:



The real issue comes up when deciding whether to discipline them...or not.

I can imagine the conundrum of those in authority, while they're thinking.... "Dewey or Don'twe." :D

Wow, I'm impressed again:bigbow::bigbow:

Did you kidnap the real CNM?????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[jaringg]

Yes
Who decides "they are correct"

[SFSkol]

The real issue comes up when deciding whether to discipline them...or not.

I can imagine the conundrum of those in authority, while they're thinking.... "Dewey or Don'twe."

Prosecution would be a novel if not storied solution.

[redwitch]

Okay, where's Dano when you need him?

[ColdNoMore]

Wow, I'm impressed again:bigbow::bigbow:

Did you kidnap the real CNM?????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I've always been a big fan...of good puns. :D

In fact, a good friend of mine who I've known since about 5th grade brought a 'new' game at the time (yeah, I'm old too ;)) over one evening to play...called 'Trivial Pursuit.'

After the bugger probably studied the entire deck for weeks and our spouses had long ago dropped out...it finally came down to him and me.

With the game on the line, he picks up the card to ask me a question, immediately jumps up...and starts stamping around the living room cursing.

After asking him multiple times what the question was, he threw the card at me and said something along the lines of... "you must have stacked the deck."

When I looked, I couldn't help but laugh at the question which was... "what is called a play on words?" :1rotfl:

Of ALL the questions in the deck, that was one that he knew from our 15 or so years of friendship (and my constant puns)...that I would know. :ho:

[jaringg]

I haven't ever run into anyone who was a real problem. What is the problem that you are having, OP???????????????????????????????????????????????? ????

"If you don't ask you do not get answers" I do have problems, and a lot of our "villagers" have similar problems but a many do not want to confront this.

[graciegirl]

Yes
Who decides "they are correct"

There are rules in place which are considerable. When you take responsibility for using a room in the rec centers that means you must see to certain things being done and not done. Groups aren't supposed to use the rooms for money making and even the collection of dues is supposed to be carefully monitored.

The person in charge is supposed to be there early and stay late to see that chairs and tables are properly repositioned and things are fairly neat. People who do not live in The Villages are not supposed to use the rec centers except for certain support groups like AA. There are many rules governing the use of rooms including amount of people, too few or too many. If groups don't maintain a certain number they may lose their time in the room. Too many and that becomes a fire hazard.

[ColdNoMore]

Prosecution would be a novel if not storied solution.

:thumbup:


Borrowing your theme, I believe a case could be made for said prosecution...as long as they don't find just fictional ties that bind.

[jaringg]

Who has a copy of "the Rules " I need that

[graciegirl]

Who has a copy of "the Rules " I need that

The ultimate person in charge is John Rohan. If you want a copy of the rules go to a regional rec center and ask to see a copy of the rules for use of a room.

[SFSkol]

Borrowing your theme, I believe a case could be made for said prosecution...as long as they don't find just fictional ties that bind.

It would be fine with me if we don't overdue this.

A librarian love note" "ISBN thinking of you."

[jaringg]

I Have.this is not about rooms, its about a lot of things other than that and and mostly about John Rohan

[graciegirl]

I Have.this is not about rooms, its about a lot of things other than that and and mostly about John Rohan

I guess we will never know the problem. Janet Tutt is the ultimate authority around here.

[jaringg]

You mean she is the "dictator" That's Interesting

[graciegirl]

You mean she is the "dictator" That's Interesting

?????

My goodness, What has happened? I think Janet Tutt is a fine person. I looked back at some of your past posts. You seemed to have a problem with the use of the pools here?? Is that it???

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/water-aerobics-neighborhood-pools-117062/index9.html#post947843

[Bogie Shooter]

Who has a copy of "the Rules " I need that

It is all public information, easy to find with a little effort. Easier than coming on TOTV and posting crazy posts. If you got a problem, state what it is, other wise take it to the 19th hole and buy the first round.
BTW, All you ever wanted to know about facility use can be found right here:

http://www.districtgov.org/images/Facility%20Guidelines%20-%20Board%20Approved.pdf

[jaringg]

Yes for the many years! Same problem. many "neighborhood pools are having exercises in the water, even every day and are not bothered by " the " dictator "John Rohan" To this date I have documented these facts. There not enough pools to accommodate the folks early in the morning that cannot be exposed to the intense sunshine later in
the day. If you need more info contact me PM like "graciegirl" has through PM
I have video of all of these activities.
The original problem came about as a result of a story in "The Village Sun" in 2014 which featured all of the good stuff that was being accomplished using these pools.
All it was a complaint by one person and many "sages" on this site to instigate the problem

[rhood]

Rules and guidelines for lifestyle groups and room usage are on the District web site.

[jaringg]

Nothing there covers this problem!

[Polar Bear]

Nothing there covers this problem!
Honest question...I'm not trying to be difficult, but...

If nothing there covers the problem, are you sure it's against the rules?

[jaringg]

It is all public information, easy to find with a little effort. Easier than coming on TOTV and posting crazy posts. If you got a problem, state what it is, other wise take it to the 19th hole and buy the first round.
BTW, All you ever wanted to know about facility use can be found right here:

http://www.districtgov.org/images/Facility%20Guidelines%20-%20Board%20Approved.pdf
Some post are crazy and should be disregarded However this is not one of them!
Some of the management types do not care of our problems
" they cannot do the routines required they told to go to
"Physical Therapy"".
This is not reasonable.

[jaringg]

Honest question...I'm not trying to be difficult, but...

If nothing there covers the problem, are you sure it's against the rules?
They"the " John Rohan"" say so.The "master of recreation":bigbow:

[Topspinmo]

Tennis, itself, is a negative experience for me.


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Why? Can't get the ball back? Like most sports you have to put in the practice time to be somewhat competitive. IMO tennis at high level harder than golf. You have to get to the ball, then you have to get it over the net away from your opponent multiple times to even win point. Golf like billiards you have all the time to set up for the shot. Concentrate is the same. tennis requires higher level of fitness to play at high level.

[jaringg]

are you sure you responded o he appropriate post? I do not your statement!

[Topspinmo]

I guess we will never know the problem. Janet Tutt is the ultimate authority around here.


Who does she work for? IMO it's not districts. Especially north of 466.

[graciegirl]

Janet Tutt is the ultimate authority around here.

[graciegirl]

Here is another thread on much the same subject.

It is clear to most of us that group exercisers aren't allowed to take over neighborhood pools.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/aerobics-neighborhood-pools-131476/?highlight=neighborhood+pools

[Topspinmo]

Janet Tutt is the ultimate authority around here.


Didn't answer the question "who does she work for" maybe nobody knows? Except the developer's??????????

[jaringg]

Go to a pool and look at the "rules""Regularly scheduled water exercised groups are not encouraged[/B]" to use sports pools for this purpose. so the sign says at a few many pools.

[graciegirl]

Go to a pool and look at the "rules""Regularly scheduled water exercised groups are encouraged[/B]" to use sports pools for this purpose. so the sign says at a few many pools.

The Sports pools are the ones at the regional rec centers, such as Colony, Seabreeze, Laurel Manor, Eisenhower, Savannah etc. etc. The neighborhood pools are not for organized exercise groups.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Wow. This post is getting as interesting as the dog poop posts. :icon_wink:

[golfing eagles]

Wow. This post is getting as interesting as the dog poop posts. :icon_wink:

I think it's a tie. We were swimming in dog poop posts and now the swimming posts are just poopy

[blueash]

Go to a pool and look at the "rules""Regularly scheduled water exercised groups are not encouraged[/B]" to use sports pools for this purpose. so the sign says at a few many pools.

I have no clown in this circus, but the wording given here clearly [to me] does not prohibit regularly scheduled water exercise groups. There is a huge bigly difference between prohibited and not encouraged.

[graciegirl]

I have no clown in this circus, but the wording given here clearly [to me] does not prohibit regularly scheduled water exercise groups. There is a huge bigly difference between prohibited and not encouraged.

I can't remember all of the details but one of the issues seems to have been that some of the exercise leaders were collecting money for their efforts.

They definitely were leaders, they didn't seem to care that other people just wanted to wade and swim.

[circletrack]

I'm lost. Is the OP upset because he/she wants to enjoy their neighborhood pool but can't because there's exercise classes going on? Or are they angry because they are unable to fully participate in them because of some physical reason and are not being accommodated?

[doran]

It is what it is, acceptance is the answer.

[birdiebill]

In the Rec News that comes out weekly, the use of the sports pools, the neighborhood pools and the family pools are identified.

The neighborhood adult pools are for residents and guests who are 30 years of age and older.

The neighborhood adult pools are intended for refreshing socialization and non-organized/scheduled activities.

Regularly scheduled water exercise groups are encouraged to use the sports pools.

My interpretation is that organized exercise groups are NOT to meet in the neighborhood pools......

[LI SNOWBIRD]

i have encountered many librarians on power trips since 1988 or so. I suppose every profession has people who need to take control of things.

shhhh

[circletrack]

In the Rec News that comes out weekly, the use of the sports pools, the neighborhood pools and the family pools are identified.

The neighborhood adult pools are for residents and guests who are 30 years of age and older.

The neighborhood adult pools are intended for refreshing socialization and non-organized/scheduled activities.

Regularly scheduled water exercise groups are encouraged to use the sports pools.

My interpretation is that organized exercise groups are NOT to meet in the neighborhood pools......

The use of "intended for" and "encouraged" seems like they don't want to enforce any rules.

[CWGUY]

The use of "intended for" and "encouraged" seems like they don't want to enforce any rules.

IMHO they are just hoping people will do the right thing. Over 60 posts because someone can't get with the program....or doesn't:censored: want too!

[Rapscallion St Croix]

I went to the library and checked out a book on speed reading. Librarian said it was due back in ten minutes.

[graciegirl]

The use of "intended for" and "encouraged" seems like they don't want to enforce any rules.

This issue has been discussed time and time again. There are those that think that people should see to it that seats aren't saved at the squares. This takes both time and money and the money would come from the entertainment department who would then charge the merchants at the square.

I think, and have always thought, that the Morse Family who ultimately laid down most of these rules must think that a group of older adults need not be tended or directed like children. I don't see anything heavy handed about their dealings with the residents at all. I think that is very wise. For one, there isn't a law that says no seat saving so no Law Enforcement Officer could enforce it. Again it boils down to what most of us were raised by, The Golden Rule. It appears that the sports pools were built with thought to exercise and family and neighborhood pools were built for wading and swimming and playing. If I were the people in charge, I don't think it would be wise to wade in (I'm sorry) to this potential public relations MESS. I can see it now. CDD has a group of old women arrested for exercising in pool.

Of course there is more to it than this...there always is. There is a bunch of mean girls somewhere who are gonna show us.

[SFSkol]

I have encountered many librarians on power trips since 1988 or so. I suppose every profession has people who need to take control of things.

Reading - how people install new software.

[TVMayor]

Didn't answer the question "who does she work for" maybe nobody knows? Except the developer's??????????
She works for the people above her on the chart. She said they can fire her. Click to see chart. Organizational Structure - Org Chart (http://www.districtgov.org/staff/orgchart.aspx)

[Madelaine Amee]

I don't use the neighborhood pool. I don't care whether people are in there doing "frowned on" organized exercise. I have never given it any thought until this matter was raised here.....

BUT, early this morning I went to Publix and on the way back stopped for mail and lo and behold my little neighborhood pool parking lot was packed to the gills with cars and golf carts ................... so, I have to assume, that my little neighborhood pool is being used for illicit exercise classes .............. whadayaknow! :shrug:

No, I did not have the nerve to look inside to see what was going on ........................ The plot thickens.

[buzzy]

For the sake of simplicity, let's break down the population of The Villages into three groups.

1) People who have always followed the rules, and will continue to do so.

2) People who have never followed the rules, and won't start now.

3) People who have always followed the rules, and don't want to any more, now that they are seniors.

So, by simple math, the first group is outnumbered by two to one.

[Rapscallion St Croix]

For the sake of simplicity, let's break down the population of The Villages into three groups.

1) People who have always followed the rules, and will continue to do so.

2) People who have never followed the rules, and won't start now.

3) People who have always followed the rules, and don't want to any more, now that they are seniors.

So, by simple math, the first group is outnumbered by two to one.

Group 1 is a myth.

[dietpepsi]

and all this matters? why? wow!

[CFrance]

Why? Can't get the ball back? Like most sports you have to put in the practice time to be somewhat competitive. IMO tennis at high level harder than golf. You have to get to the ball, then you have to get it over the net away from your opponent multiple times to even win point. Golf like billiards you have all the time to set up for the shot. Concentrate is the same. tennis requires higher level of fitness to play at high level.
Wow. Agree. Plus, having played team tennis for 20+ years, I have to opine that it is one of the most injury-prone sports around. And the most fun.

[graciegirl]

Wow. Agree. Plus, having played team tennis for 20+ years, I have to opine that it is one of the most injury-prone sports around. And the most fun.

Tennis players who are still playing at "our age" are in very good shape for sure.

Do you think Tennis or golf has the most potty mouths, CFrance?

[ColdNoMore]

For the sake of simplicity, let's break down the population of The Villages into three groups.

1) People who have always followed the rules, and will continue to do so.

2) People who have never followed the rules, and won't start now.

3) People who have always followed the rules, and don't want to any more, now that they are seniors.

So, by simple math, the first group is outnumbered by two to one.

4) People who usually follow the rules, unless the rules aren't really rules, just strong suggestions...and seem unfair.

[ColdNoMore]

Group 1 is a myth.

Yep. :thumbup:

[graciegirl]

Yep. :thumbup:

There are a whole lot of people you haven't met in The Villages and they are rule followers and careful with their money too.

Nice folks.

The MAJORITY of people here are like that.

[ColdNoMore]

I have met a lot of people here in my 6 years in The Villages.

I find that they are similar to people...in everywhere else I have lived.

Some are honest, good, decent people who truly care about others.

Some not as much.

And a whole lot...that are in-between.

[CFrance]

Tennis players who are still playing at "our age" are in very good shape for sure.

Do you think Tennis or golf has the most potty mouths, CFrance?
I would have to say tennis, but in the same amount of time there is a much higher opportunity to make mistakes in tennis or pickleball since you're hitting many more shots. Sometimes we skip the mild cussing and go straight to the really bad words.

Also, I think it matters how much you care about your performance in a particular sport. I cared/care a lot about my tennis/pickleball performance. Golf I just play for fun & socialization. So I don't swear as much.:angel:

[graciegirl]

I would have to say tennis, but in the same amount of time there is a much higher opportunity to make mistakes in tennis or pickleball since you're hitting many more shots. Sometimes we skip the mild cussing and go straight to the really bad words.

Also, I think it matters how much you care about your performance in a particular sport. I cared/care a lot about my tennis/pickleball performance. Golf I just play for fun & socialization. So I don't swear as much.:angel:

You are my kind of girl.

[CFrance]

Prosecution would be a novel if not storied solution.
Oh, now that's excellent.:wave:

[CFrance]

You are my kind of girl.
:smiley:

[graciegirl]

Did you have a problem?

bump

[CFrance]

Why? Can't get the ball back? Like most sports you have to put in the practice time to be somewhat competitive. IMO tennis at high level harder than golf. You have to get to the ball, then you have to get it over the net away from your opponent multiple times to even win point. Golf like billiards you have all the time to set up for the shot. Concentrate is the same. tennis requires higher level of fitness to play at high level.
I think you just answered your own question, Topspinmo.

To DBussone's response, I have to say that there are sports for all of us that are frustrating and hard to play. Golf would be mine, and maybe tennis is Dbussone's. Ice hockey! I'd be the one with the missing front teeth.