New watering hours

[Chatbrat]

In the paper, it stated that starting June 5-Aug 1--watering of lawns in Sumter, Marion & Fruitland Park will be restricted to 1 day a week between 6pm -8pm

How many minutes will we be allowed to water on the allocated day & what day will we be allowed to water

[villages07]

That didn't sound right, as far as allowable times, so, I went to wattermatters.org and it said after 6pm and before 8am.

Year-round water conservation measures limit lawn watering to twice per week.

Modified Phase III Water Shortage Restrictions

Always refer to your city or county regulations first.

Effective Date and Areas
The District’s Modified Phase III water shortage restrictions are in effect June 5, 2017 through August 1, 2017, except where stricter measures have been imposed by local governments.
These measures currently apply to all of Citrus, DeSoto, Hardee, Hernando, Hillsborough, Manatee, Pasco, Pinellas and Sarasota counties; the portions of Charlotte, Highlands, Lake, Levy, Marion, Polk, and Sumter, within the District’s jurisdiction; and Gasparilla Island (including the portion in Lee County) except as noted below.
Some local governments, such as St. Petersburg, have local ordinances with special watering times.
Some local governments, such as Sarasota County and Dunedin, have local ordinances with special one-day-per-week schedules.
Ocala and most of unincorporated Marion County follows the St. Johns River Water Management District’s water restrictions; however, the City of Dunnellon and The Villages remain under the Southwest Florida Water Management District’s water restrictions.
Unincorporated Levy County follows the Suwannee River Water Management District.
These restrictions apply to the use of wells and surface sources such as ponds, rivers and canals, in addition to utility-supplied water.
Lawn Watering Schedule and Times
Lawn watering is limited to a once-per-week schedule. Follow this schedule unless your city or county has a different once-per-week schedule or more stringent restrictions.

Addresses with “house numbers” …May only irrigate on …
Ending in 0 or 1 Monday
Ending in 2 or 3 Tuesday
Ending in 4 or 5 Wednesday
Ending in 6 or 7 Thursday
Ending in 8 or 9 Friday
No address (community common areas, etc.) Friday
Unless your city or county already has stricter hours in effect, the allowable watering hours are before 8 a.m. or after 6 p.m., regardless of property size.
Landscape Watering Schedule and Times
Handwatering and micro-irrigation of plants (other than lawns) can be done on any day at any time, if needed.
New Lawns & Plants
New lawns and plants have a 60-day establishment period. On days 1-30, they may be watered any day of the week.
During days 31-60, they may be watered approximately every other day. Even-numbered addresses may water on Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday. Odd-numbered addresses may be watered on Monday, Wednesday and Saturday. See also “Deed Restrictions” below.
Reclaimed Water
Reclaimed water remains subject to voluntary watering hours, unless blended with another water source or restricted by the local government or utility.
Car Washing
Car washing is limited to once-per-week on the designated watering day for the location.
Commercial car washes, including mobile detailing businesses, may still operate on any day.
Emergency and other first responder vehicles may still be washed on any day as needed.
Fundraising events are prohibited unless they were scheduled prior to enactment of this order.
Pressure Washing
Pressure washing is allowed once a year and for necessary purposes, such as prior to painting or sealing, in order to maintain a paint or material warranty, to address a health or safety hazard and to comply with health laws. See also “Deed Restrictions” below.
Fountains
Fountains and other aesthetic water features may only operate eight hours per day. The regular hours of operation can be selected by the owner, but must be posted (see fact sheet for list of exemptions, such as water features that also provide aerification to koi ponds).
Other Water Uses
Sprinkler-like devices used on a lawn for recreational purposes shall be limited to the lawn and landscape restrictions.
The lawn and landscape of agricultural operations, commercial establishments, golf courses, athletic fields, and industrial facilities are subject to the lawn and landscape restrictions listed in the Water Shortage Order.
Additional restrictions apply to water uses specific to agricultural operations, commercial establishments, golf courses, athletic fields, and industrial facilities.
Deed Restrictions & Community Standards Enforcement
Homeowners associations and other entities must suspend any requirement to replace lawns, pressure wash, or engage in other activity which increases water use during this water shortage declaration.
Water Utilities and Other Essential Services
Water use necessary for fire suppression, maintaining safe drinking water quality, and other essential services is not restricted.
Water utilities, in conjunction with local government agencies, must enforce restrictions and provide a monthly enforcement report (see new fact sheet for details).
Water utilities must continue implementing customer messaging and other water conservation efforts (see new fact sheet for details).
Report Watering Violations

Use this service to report a water use violation, or you may call us at 1-800-848-0499 (FL only) and leave a detailed message.

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Contact Us

If you have additional water restriction questions, please contact us by sending an email to Water.Restrictions@WaterMatters.org (anytime) or by calling our water restrictions hotline at 1-800-848-0499 (FL only) or 1-800-836-0797 (FL only), ext. 2298 (during business hours).

Mailing Address

Demand Management Program
SWFWMD
7601 U.S. Hwy. 301 North
Tampa, FL 33637

A petition for variance pdf from year-round water conservation measures or water shortage restrictions is available for qualified circumstances. To confirm that a variance is needed or for assistance when filling out an application form, check with our staff during normal business hours at 1-800-848-0499 (FL only) or email Water.Variances@WaterMatters.org.


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[Polar Bear]

Thanks. I was also very suspicious of the 6pm-8pm restriction.

[Bogie Shooter]

Not a word about those "free water" bottling companies!

[graciegirl]

Usually not a big deal being restricted from watering as nature takes over and it rains once a day during the summer.

[JoMar]

I think we had less then 8" of rain summer of 2016.......long way from what we need.

[SFSkol]

Darn. I thought this was an updated listing of all The Village restaurant happy hours.

[kansasr]

So obviously the Daily Sun didn't research this accurately (only watering from 6-8pm) and doesn't clarify which of the two days on our current schedule we'll be restricted too....looks like we'll have to wait until we get an "official" notice from the district.

[gap2415]

Usually not a big deal being restricted from watering as nature takes over and it rains once a day during the summer.

Boy are you wrong. Our grass nearly needed to be replaced last year except we paid the penalties and salvaged it through watering often. We were quoted $6 k to replace it trying to water twice a week to be good villagers. We are in a newer area without the luxury of all those tall trees we enjoyed further north in TV.

We understand that in a drought changes need to be made but it was not a drought. Then to see water being sold when we are told to limit........

Too many make blanket statements without qualifiers.

[Bogie Shooter]

So obviously the Daily Sun didn't research this accurately (only watering from 6-8pm) and doesn't clarify which of the two days on our current schedule we'll be restricted too....looks like we'll have to wait until we get an "official" notice from the district.

You just got it, see post #2.

[OpusX1]

2016 6/1-9/30 we had 20" of rain.

Rainfall. Snowfall. Temperature. - A simple way to get weather history totals for your city or town. (http://www.theweathercollector.com/?gclid=COvI8Y7Di9QCFce4wAodpSUETg)

[photo1902]

Boy are you wrong. Our grass nearly needed to be replaced last year except we paid the penalties and salvaged it through watering often. We were quoted $6 k to replace it trying to water twice a week to be good villagers. We are in a newer area without the luxury of all those tall trees we enjoyed further north in TV.

We understand that in a drought changes need to be made but it was not a drought. Then to see water being sold when we are told to limit........

Too many make blanket statements without qualifiers.

:agree:

[graciegirl]

Boy are you wrong. Our grass nearly needed to be replaced last year except we paid the penalties and salvaged it through watering often. We were quoted $6 k to replace it trying to water twice a week to be good villagers. We are in a newer area without the luxury of all those tall trees we enjoyed further north in TV.

We understand that in a drought changes need to be made but it was not a drought. Then to see water being sold when we are told to limit........

Too many make blanket statements without qualifiers.


I can't find where there was any drought situations in 2016 until December 2016 through right now.

You can see here various areas of the State of Florida and their amount of rainfall and how that varied from average + or - and can see it by year.

Climate Summary for Florida - August 2015 - Florida Climate Center (https://climatecenter.fsu.edu/products-services/summaries/climate-summary-for-florida-august-2015)
Search - Florida Climate Center (https://climatecenter.fsu.edu/component/search/?searchword=Rainfall&searchphrase=all&Itemid=521)

The limits are not imposed just on THIS county or area but all over the State of Florida.

[tuccillo]

We were a bit below average for that 4 month period of time. We have been quite dry since the first week in Oct 2016. For the last 12 months, I believe we have had about 60% of normal precipitation. We are entering into the rainy season and hopefully will start to recover. My numbers are for the south side of The Villages. They may be a bit different elsewhere.

2016 6/1-9/30 we had 20" of rain.

Rainfall. Snowfall. Temperature. - A simple way to get weather history totals for your city or town. (http://www.theweathercollector.com/?gclid=COvI8Y7Di9QCFce4wAodpSUETg)

[retiredguy123]

What about enforcement? Most people I know wouldn't have a clue as to how to reset their sprinkler system from two days to one, and they don't have an irrigation maintenance service.

[tuccillo]

With 57,000 homes, enforcement will be challenging. I think it is safe to say that compliance will be less than 100% ;-)

What about enforcement? Most people I know wouldn't have a clue as to how to reset their sprinkler system from two days to one, and they don't have an irrigation maintenance service.

[dsbouley]

In the paper, it stated that starting June 5-Aug 1--watering of lawns in Sumter, Marion & Fruitland Park will be restricted to 1 day a week between 6pm -8pm

How many minutes will we be allowed to water on the allocated day & what day will we be allowed to water
I started watering 10 minutes per day every day starting at 2:30 am. Plants just 2-3 minutes. Actually watering less per week than I was at twice per week with much better results. Some of my neighbors started doing it first and I was amazed at the results.

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[Chatbrat]

On the sprinkler control panel it states my water days are Tues & Fri, but our house # ends in a zero- that means Mon--I'm going to change the day to Mon. only

[retiredguy123]

One problem in The Villages is that the builder is installing a Hunter irrigation panel that uses a "solar sync" monitor that doesn't work and nobody, including the builder, knows how it is supposed to work. Last summer, my system was watering at 50 percent in July, when it should have been at 100 percent or higher. Why can't the builder select a system that makes sense and is easy to use? The system is supposed to monitor weather conditions and automatically adjust the watering schedule accordingly. The Hunter solar sync system is totally useless, but, apparently it cannot be turned off.

[Chatbrat]

I had Joe Tucker check our sprinkler set up, the solar sync on my system was disconnected--its a blue wire, just remove it ,again it can be disabled

[retiredguy123]

I had Joe Tucker check our sprinkler set up, the solar sync on my system was disconnected--its a blue wire, just remove it ,again it can be disabled
Why couldn't he make it work, instead of disabling it? I think the Hunter system is a waste of money and water, and the builder is installing hundreds of these worthless systems.

[CFrance]

I started watering 10 minutes per day every day starting at 2:30 am. Plants just 2-3 minutes. Actually watering less per week than I was at twice per week with much better results. Some of my neighbors started doing it first and I was amazed at the results.

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This is what we used to do at Lake Michigan, where everything is built on sand. The water drains right through into the sand and nothing is retained, so more frequent watering for shorter periods is the way to go. I plan to try this, because our lawn looks like the Sahara Desert with two days per week.

[Chatbrat]

The solar system doesn't really know whats happening in your specific location--thats why its worthless & should be disconnected

[retiredguy123]

I agree that it is worthless, but most people won't disconnect it. They are at the mercy of a system that will change their watering times for no logical reason. So, they have no idea how much they are watering because Big Brother is in control of their water usage.

[dsbouley]

This is what we used to do at Lake Michigan, where everything is built on sand. The water drains right through into the sand and nothing is retained, so more frequent watering for shorter periods is the way to go. I plan to try this, because our lawn looks like the Sahara Desert with two days per week.
I'm a believer now

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[bob47]

I started watering 10 minutes per day every day starting at 2:30 am. Plants just 2-3 minutes. Actually watering less per week than I was at twice per week with much better results. Some of my neighbors started doing it first and I was amazed at the results.

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Are you using 10 minutes per zone regardless of how long each zone was set for at 1 or 2 days per week? This will save me water also and something I will try.

[dsbouley]

Are you using 10 minutes per zone regardless of how long each zone was set for at 1 or 2 days per week? This will save me water also and something I will try.
10 minutes per zone regardless what it was

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[jgm3279]

What about the snowbirds who are not here to change their settings?

[NoMoSno]

Short time, frequent watering, produces a shallow root system. Not good for drought conditions.

[Toymeister]

What about the snowbirds who are not here to change their settings?

Exactly, no official body has sent me any notice. None. It is not like they don't know where I live. The bills arrive like clockwork.

I am not being a spoiler, I am being realistic.

But if they do I have a Rachio controller, I can set the time a thousand miles away. Available from Amazon.

[JoMar]

I suspect they will know who changed their watering habits by comparing usage so knowing who to approach will not be too difficult. The question is, when they know you haven't changed your habits and water usage stays the same what is the penalty? I know the first step is to send a letter (several neighbors received one of those) but I don't know of any penalty after that, does anyone?

[photo1902]

One problem in The Villages is that the builder is installing a Hunter irrigation panel that uses a "solar sync" monitor that doesn't work and nobody, including the builder, knows how it is supposed to work. Last summer, my system was watering at 50 percent in July, when it should have been at 100 percent or higher. Why can't the builder select a system that makes sense and is easy to use? The system is supposed to monitor weather conditions and automatically adjust the watering schedule accordingly. The Hunter solar sync system is totally useless, but, apparently it cannot be turned off.

I had the same problem. Blue wire disconnected, now it stays at 100%.

[skip0358]

Boy are you wrong. Our grass nearly needed to be replaced last year except we paid the penalties and salvaged it through watering often. We were quoted $6 k to replace it trying to water twice a week to be good villagers. We are in a newer area without the luxury of all those tall trees we enjoyed further north in TV.

We understand that in a drought changes need to be made but it was not a drought. Then to see water being sold when we are told to limit........

Too many make blanket statements without qualifiers.

The water being sold is drinking water. Your irrigation water is reclaimed. No rain no water.

[fred53]

So obviously the Daily Sun didn't research this accurately (only watering from 6-8pm) and doesn't clarify which of the two days on our current schedule we'll be restricted too....looks like we'll have to wait until we get an "official" notice from the district.

if you didn't read the article yourself? It's not as if people who post always read the whole article or even understand what they do read.

[retiredguy123]

I had the same problem. Blue wire disconnected, now it stays at 100%.
Does disconnecting the blue wire also disable the rain sensor feature?

[photo1902]

Does disconnecting the blue wire also disable the rain sensor feature?

Absolutely not. It only disables the "Seasonal Adjustment" feature, which in many cases is not accurate and can lower the amount of time you have a particular zone set for. The seasonal adjustment feature also resets each day at midnight. For example, you set it at 100% (which means if you have a zone running for 60 minutes, it actually runs 60 minutes). When the SA adjusts itself nightly, it might drop it down to 70%, or even lower. Unless you disable the SA feature (blue wire), it will adjust itself to what it thinks is the correct setting. I learned this the hard way, and almost lost a good chunk of turf.

[dewilson58]

With 57,000 homes, enforcement will be challenging. I think it is safe to say that compliance will be less than 100% ;-)

Simple............just look at water usage.

[tuccillo]

That won't tell you how many days per week you are watering. You can increase the runtime for each zone. I am not saying that is necessarily a good idea. The water meters don't tell you when the water is being used.

Simple............just look at water usage.

[dewilson58]

That won't tell you how many days per week you are watering. You can increase the runtime for each zone. I am not saying that is necessarily a good idea. The water meters don't tell you when the water is being used.

Everyone knows that.

The issue is not run time, the issue is usage. They don't care if you run seven days per week, if you are running one minute per day.

[tuccillo]

Starting June 5 they are restricting watering to one day so apparently running 7 days a week will be an issue. There is really no way to restrict usage. All they can do is try to limit the number of days people water and, while that is certainly correlated with usage, it is not the usage. I am well aware of what they are trying to do.

Everyone knows that.

The issue is not run time, the issue is usage. They don't care if you run seven days per week, if you are running one minute per day.

[dewilson58]

:1rotfl:

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[pauld315]

The water being sold is drinking water. Your irrigation water is reclaimed. No rain no water.

Not all of The Villages uses reclaimed water

[pauld315]

That won't tell you how many days per week you are watering. You can increase the runtime for each zone. I am not saying that is necessarily a good idea. The water meters don't tell you when the water is being used.

Are you sure ? Do they actually have somebody walk door to door reading water meters once a month ? About 5 years ago at my house in Cary NC they installed a system where they don't have to send anybody to read meters anymore. I have a website I can go to and see my water usage by the hour if I want to. There is about a 3 or 4 hour delay from usage to updating the website. It is actually useful as you can setup alerts when your water usage exceeds x gallons in a day etc.

[pauld315]

What about the snowbirds who are not here to change their settings?

I have the same question

[biker1]

They come around and read the meters each month.

What they want: Reduced irrigation water use

How they are trying to accomplish this: Tell people they can only water once per week for 2 months

The problem: Hard to enforce. You can send a nasty-gram but the restriction will be over in 2 months. People can reduce their watering to one day a week but increase the runtime. There doesn't appear to be a restriction on the amount of water you actually use.

What will this accomplish: Hard to say but hopefully they will get enough compliance to have an impact.

Are you sure ? Do they actually have somebody walk door to door reading water meters once a month ? About 5 years ago at my house in Cary NC they installed a system where they don't have to send anybody to read meters anymore. I have a website I can go to and see my water usage by the hour if I want to. There is about a 3 or 4 hour delay from usage to updating the website. It is actually useful as you can setup alerts when your water usage exceeds x gallons in a day etc.

[skip0358]

Not all of The Villages uses reclaimed water

Well if that's the case they shouldn't be affected by the restriction. Nobody said you could only shower or do laundry once a week.

[autumnspring]

This is what we used to do at Lake Michigan, where everything is built on sand. The water drains right through into the sand and nothing is retained, so more frequent watering for shorter periods is the way to go. I plan to try this, because our lawn looks like the Sahara Desert with two days per week.

The soil? our homes are on is sandy clay or clayey sand.

Many people have a professional? who applies liquid fertilizer.
To be a liquid, it is of course water soluble. It is like putting miragrow on a plant-it lasts only two weeks.

You need to improve your soil-ADD ORGANIC MATTER.
A LOT OF ORGANIC MATTER-A LOT OF WORK TO DO.

You want to use LESS fertilizer. Putting down more fertilizer forces the lawn to grow and thus need more water.

You should take a shovel and remove a plug out of your lawn. You will see what YOU have. Most likely yu have half an inch of dark soil that came with the sod that was installed over the sandy clay-quick easy done. Unfortunately your grass has no reason to send roots into the sandy clay so it does not. With PROPER soil preparation your lawn grass roots should be down 6 to 8 inches.

The good news. Grass goes dormant if there is little water.
It will come back to life now that we are entering our rainy
season.

[autumnspring]

Are you sure ? Do they actually have somebody walk door to door reading water meters once a month ? About 5 years ago at my house in Cary NC they installed a system where they don't have to send anybody to read meters anymore. I have a website I can go to and see my water usage by the hour if I want to. There is about a 3 or 4 hour delay from usage to updating the website. It is actually useful as you can setup alerts when your water usage exceeds x gallons in a day etc.

I'm sure there are different systems but, I ask when I see workmen? walking about. Truth be told, I do not like the way these people simply walk onto your property. Not my line of work but if I wanted to rob people I would put on a work uniform knock on the door to see if you are home and clean you out. It is very unusual that you neighbors would even notice.

To the water meter. We have one of those green plastic plates in the lawn. To read the meter, he can read right through the plate-without removing it.

[retiredguy123]

I think they have an electronic reader, so they don't need to open the meter box. They only need to be near it.

[ditka41]

I am disappointed that we are ordered to cut back on our already limited lawn watering, while at the same time pretending it's fantastic to just continue building thousands more new houses. All those new places will require MUCH more water for their newly installed sod, to say nothing of all the other requirements for water at each new home. Does anyone else think enough is enough and we should stop our seemingly endless expansion? Or, is it more important to penalize current residents in order to keep the developer's almighty money machine producing? At some point the overbuilding is going to backfire and we'll see property values plummet when we don't have the natural resources to support it. Since the greed will not evaporate, we'll just have to pray for sufficient rains or be content with rock landscaping as seen in developments in desert areas "out West". Enjoy the golf courses while we still have them.

[retiredguy123]

I don't believe that there is a water shortage, or that The Villages needs to slow down on expansion. Where is the evidence? Look at the population density in other parts of the country and the world and compare it to here. I remember the long lines to buy gas in the early 1970's, and they said that the world is running out of oil. In response, Ralph Nader said, "the world is swimming in oil". He was absolutely correct.

[CapeCouple]

Thanks for that additional irrigation information!

A Fellow Marylander

[Maddie2009]

Thanks. I was also very suspicious of the 6pm-8pm restriction.

Even the President told me to water between 6-8 pm, I will not do it as you have a good chance to get fungus on your lawn. Then, who will pay to treat the fungus,..they are real pain..keep coming back and expensive to treat.

When someone has a really good/correct answer for this, please re-post it as a recap please.

[Putt4Dough]

saw this in the online news

The approved rate structures for the Village Center Service Area, Little Sumter Service Area, the North Sumter County Utility Dependent District, Sumter Water Conservation Authority, and Fenney Water Conservation Authority include an Environmental Protection Rate Surcharge in the event a water shortage is declared by SWFWMD. In accordance with the rate structure, a 10 percent surcharge will be added to water usage beginning June 5 as a result of SWFWMD’s declaration of a Phase III Water Shortage.

I can imagine this conversation taking place.

Beancounter 1 "if we institute watering restrictions, revenues will go down by 10%"

Beancounter 2. "No problem, we will institute a 10% surcharge, call it something like Environmental Protection, yeah, that's the ticket!"

[kansasr]

I had the same problem. Blue wire disconnected, now it stays at 100%.

Same problem here...found I was watering at 20% last month...wondering why plants were looking frazzled.

Disconnected the blue wire - no problems anymore.

[capecoralbill]

The soil? our homes are on is sandy clay or clayey sand.


The good news. Grass goes dormant if there is little water.
It will come back to life now that we are entering our rainy
season.

No, not really, the weeds then take over, i lost a lot of st augustine last year, and the weeds took over, had to resod in many patches, just now looking decent again, and they want me to turn the water off???
I dont have recyled water, so now what am i un affected?? Living here is not as easy i thoulght it would be. Plus it it too GD hot.

[dewilson58]

saw this in the online news

The approved rate structures for the Village Center Service Area, Little Sumter Service Area, the North Sumter County Utility Dependent District, Sumter Water Conservation Authority, and Fenney Water Conservation Authority include an Environmental Protection Rate Surcharge in the event a water shortage is declared by SWFWMD. In accordance with the rate structure, a 10 percent surcharge will be added to water usage beginning June 5 as a result of SWFWMD’s declaration of a Phase III Water Shortage.

I can imagine this conversation taking place.

Beancounter 1 "if we institute watering restrictions, revenues will go down by 10%"

Beancounter 2. "No problem, we will institute a 10% surcharge, call it something like Environmental Protection, yeah, that's the ticket!"

Is that the only penalty???...........10% Surcharge??

[Putt4Dough]

Is that the only penalty???...........10% Surcharge??


I believe the 10% surcharge applies to everyone in those named water districts. Whether you cut usage or not. Call them and ask if you like. They'll probably say the surcharge is to protect the environment or something. The wording is pretty clear that the surcharge is applied to all no matter what your usage is.

in the event a water shortage is declared by SWFWMD. In accordance with the rate structure, a 10 percent surcharge will be added to water usage beginning June 5 as a result of SWFWMD’s declaration of a Phase III Water Shortage.

[justjim]

Snowbirds/Snowflakes that have a"housewatch" company should be able to get them to adjust their irrigation system accordingly. Perhaps we will get sufficient rain this summer but hopefully no severe storms.

[JoMar]

Correct me if I have this wrong but the water restrictions for irrigation which does not come from the Aquifer. If there is a surcharge it will be on potable water since that does come from the aquifer. Our irrigation water comes from ponds, run off, potties etc.? Looking at those areas it's pretty evident the water levels are down. Also, if they do a surcharge that isn't a penalty so if someone wanted to continue to water at the existing usage rate and were willing to pay the surcharge there would be no incentive for them to change their usage.

[TheDude]

Unless you have a large yard and a high water bill, I really doubt the water police will make you change anything you are doing. I don't even know when my sprinklers go on, I see it sometimes, and I am like, nice, water.

[Bogie Shooter]

Correct me if I have this wrong but the water restrictions for irrigation which does not come from the Aquifer. If there is a surcharge it will be on potable water since that does come from the aquifer. Our irrigation water comes from ponds, run off, potties etc.? Looking at those areas it's pretty evident the water levels are down. Also, if they do a surcharge that isn't a penalty so if someone wanted to continue to water at the existing usage rate and were willing to pay the surcharge there would be no incentive for them to change their usage.

Not potties...............

[Uberschaf]

I believe Lake County is not in the restriction list.

[e-flyer]

Most have different types of sprinklers throughout the yard that require longer run times (rotors require 2x as much time), so a flat 10 mins per zone may not work. Adjust as necessary if you use the everyday approach. Will they limit the watering on the golf courses as well, I wonder if they are exempt?

[maryanna630]

I don't understand....if you read the restrictions, it says reclaimed water does not come under the restrictions at all. Our lawn uses non potable water so I believe the limits do not apply here in Lake Deaton.

[CFrance]

Short time, frequent watering, produces a shallow root system. Not good for drought conditions.
The root system is shallow anyway because of mostly sand and very little top soil. We're going to try it and see what happens. Certainly our twice-a-week longer watering is not working.

[Bogie Shooter]

Most have different types of sprinklers throughout the yard that require longer run times (rotors require 2x as much time), so a flat 10 mins per zone may not work. Adjust as necessary if you use the everyday approach. Will they limit the watering on the golf courses as well, I wonder if they are exempt?

Already happened on the golf courses, as posted on one of the golf course conditions threads.

[sunny46]

Did anyone notice a 10% surcharge will be added to our bill as of 6/5???

[fred53]

In the paper, it stated that starting June 5-Aug 1--watering of lawns in Sumter, Marion & Fruitland Park will be restricted to 1 day a week between 6pm -8pm

How many minutes will we be allowed to water on the allocated day & what day will we be allowed to water

down to where it states the watering for places that utilize reclaimed water to water your lawn. It might be enlightening.

[retiredguy123]

Apparently the water restriction will be voluntary if you use reclaimed water for irrigation. I think this will apply to most homes in The Villages located south of Route 466.

[biker1]

The actual language is as follows:

Reclaimed Water
Reclaimed water remains subject to voluntary watering hours, unless blended with another water source or restricted by the local government or utility.

Do you know for a fact that there are no restrictions by the local government or utility?

Apparently the water restriction will be voluntary if you use reclaimed water for irrigation. I think this will apply to most homes in The Villages located south of Route 466.

[retiredguy123]

The actual language is as follows:

Reclaimed Water
Reclaimed water remains subject to voluntary watering hours, unless blended with another water source or restricted by the local government or utility.

Do you know for a fact that there are no restrictions by the local government or utility?
I'm not certain of anything except death and taxes. But, I have looked at the Sumter County website and several of the local jurisdiction websites, and they are pretty consistent to exempt reclaimed water from mandatory water usage.

[biker1]

Yes, I get that. The real question is whether there are other mandates from the local government that require compliance.

I'm not certain of anything except death and taxes. But, I have looked at the Sumter County website and several of the local jurisdiction websites, and they are pretty consistent to exempt reclaimed water from mandatory water usage.

[retiredguy123]

Well, if you live in a city or other local jurisdiction, they will need to inform you of their specific rules and mandates. Otherwise, I would think that the county rules will prevail. But, it makes sense that water that is reused without being reprocessed should be available to water your lawn.

[biker1]

Lot of speculation there. Basically, all we know is starting June 5 you can only water 1 day per week. I would not speculate that it doesn't apply to those areas of The Villages where recycled water is being used because we don't know if the local government has mandated, or not, that you can only water one day per week with recycled water.

Well, if you live in a city or other local jurisdiction, they will need to inform you of their specific rules and mandates. Otherwise, I would think that the county rules will prevail. But, it makes sense that water that is reused without being reprocessed should be available to water your lawn.

[retiredguy123]

Lot of speculation there. Basically, all we know is starting June 5 you can only water 1 day per week. I would not speculate that it doesn't apply to those areas of The Villages where recycled water is being used because we don't know if the local government has mandated, or not, that you can only water one day per week with recycled water.
Hold on. I'm not speculating, and that is not all we know. The source for the water restriction story is the Southwest Florida Water Management District that spells out the restriction rules on their website. They clearly say that restrictions on the use of reclaimed water is voluntary. If anyone has any other information, please share it. But, so far, we have no information from any local government that has changed the restriction rules laid out by the management district.

[biker1]

You posted that the water restriction doesn't apply to those who have reclaimed water for irrigation. This may not be true based on the language I previously posted that clearly states that the government or utility may restrict this. Before posting such a speculation, you might want to find out the whole story since you don't know. What we do know is that a one day a week water limitation is in effect starting June 5 and there was no statement in the paper about it being voluntary.

Hold on. I'm not speculating, and that is not all we know. The source for the water restriction story is the Southwest Florida Water Management District that spells out the restriction rules on their website. They clearly say that restrictions on the use of reclaimed water is voluntary. If anyone has any other information, please share it. But, so far, we have no information from any local government that has changed the restriction rules laid out by the management district.

[retiredguy123]

I really don't understand what you are saying. The article in the paper was very short and left out a large part of the management district rules, which was the entire source for the newspaper article. I was just filling in the details because the article was misleading by leaving out the part of the rules that exempted reclaimed water. I think this is useful information because many people in The Villages are exempt from the watering restrictions because they use reclaimed water for their irrigation. Don't you agree that telling people that they are exempt from the restriction is helpful information? The only reason this subject came up was because the management district set some rules for water restrictions, but their rules exempted reclaimed water, a fact that was omitted from the newspaper article. I didn't speculate on anything. I just presented information that was stated in the management district rules that were not stated in the newspaper article. These are facts, not speculations.

[biker1]

The language is pretty clear. Posted again below:

Reclaimed Water
Reclaimed water remains subject to voluntary watering hours, unless blended with another water source or restricted by the local government or utility.

You don't know whether the local government or utility has restricted the usage of reclaimed water. If they have then the watering restriction is 1 day and is not voluntary. Until that is determined, you cannot say that 1 day per week is voluntary for those on reclaimed water.

You can continue to try to argue against this but the language is clear and we don't know whether the government or utility has issued such a restriction.

I really don't understand what you are saying. The article in the paper was very short and left out a large part of the management district rules, which was the entire source for the newspaper article. I was just filling in the details because the article was misleading by leaving out the part of the rules that exempted reclaimed water. I think this is useful information because many people in The Villages are exempt from the watering restrictions because they use reclaimed water for their irrigation. Don't you agree that telling people that they are exempt from the restriction is helpful information? The only reason this subject came up was because the management district set some rules for water restrictions, but their rules exempted reclaimed water, a fact that was omitted from the newspaper article. I didn't speculate on anything. I just presented information that was stated in the management district rules that were not stated in the newspaper article. These are facts, not speculations.

[retiredguy123]

So, until a local government or utility tells you otherwise, you can use as much reclaimed water as you like.

[Toymeister]

So, until a local government or utility tells you otherwise, you can use as much reclaimed water as you like.

I just received my bill and I am out of state. There is technology to know This (zip code). This was an opportunity for The Villages to tell me if my reclaimed water would be restricted and...

Nothing, not a word. If The utility choses to restrict watering, tell me. It is simple business, if you expect results inform people.

[retiredguy123]

I just received my bill and I am out of state. There is technology to know This (zip code). This was an opportunity for The Villages to tell me if my reclaimed water would be restricted and...

Nothing, not a word. If The utility choses to restrict watering, tell me. It is simple business, if you expect results inform people.
You are correct. I have done some research, and, as far as I know, there are no restrictions on the usage of reclaimed water.

[biker1]

Copied from another post on ToTV this morning. You can only irrigate one day per week.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/attachments/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/68930d1495962916-water-restriction-rules-spelled-out-water-shortage-jpg



You are correct. I have done some research, and, as far as I know, there are no restrictions on the usage of reclaimed water.

[JoMar]

I don't look at TOTV or the Daily Sun as official and final notification. If they want me to to change usage they will send me something in the mail. Lots of people that live here don't get the Sun and a small minoriy are on TOTV. (not sure how you would have a large minority.....hmmmm)

[GypsyBuddy]

The newspaper ran a correction of the 8PM to 8AM the next day. It was a typo.

[RIpswich]

The water being sold is drinking water. Your irrigation water is reclaimed. No rain no water.

Perhaps the reason that we have not received a notice restricting our water usage is because our irrigation water is reclaimed from our septic treatment system !

The general notice states: "Reclaimed Water
Reclaimed water remains subject to voluntary watering hours, unless blended with another water source or restricted by the local government or utility."

Since we irrigate with reclaimed water we don't fall under the once a week restriction and should continue under The Villages twice a week program.

[joedi]

When Sumter County stops selling our water, then I will stop watering my lawn. If everyone would do this maybe it would be reversed this rule or stop them from selling the water.

[graciegirl]

Perhaps the reason that we have not received a notice restricting our water usage is because our irrigation water is reclaimed from our septic treatment system !

The general notice states: "Reclaimed Water
Reclaimed water remains subject to voluntary watering hours, unless blended with another water source or restricted by the local government or utility."

Since we irrigate with reclaimed water we don't fall under the once a week restriction and should continue under The Villages twice a week program.

It isn't reclaimed from the SEPTIC SYSTEM.

It smells bad some times because it is incubating smelly little microorganisms when it lies quietly in the pipes where it is dark and warm.

Our reclaimed water in The Villages comes from our retaining ponds.

[NanaDarling]

The statement regarding voluntary restrictions on reclaimed water only states that the hours are voluntary. It is not clear to me that the number of days a week are voluntary. My interpretation is that I can only water one day a week, but I am not restricted to the hours between 6 pm and 8 am. Bummer!

[Hansa]

Here is some info about where the reclaimed water comes from in TV and why it can smell bad.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/irrigation-system-water-smells-bad-36434/

[biker1]

Dug this up from the district website. It may have already been posted. In case it hasn't ....

Home Irrigation:

North of CR 466, homes are irrigated with potable water.
South of CR 466, homes are irrigated with non-potable water which is comprised of storm water runoff that is collected in water retention areas and groundwater from the lower Floridan aquifer when storm water supplies are not available.


Golf Course Irrigation:

North of CR 466, golf courses are irrigated with a combination of reclaimed wastewater, storm water runoff that is collected in water retention areas, and groundwater (some upper Floridan and some Lower Floridan, depending on the specific course).
South of CR 466 all golf courses are irrigated with a combination of reclaimed wastewater and lower Floridan groundwater.

Please note that any reclaimed wastewater that is used for golf course irrigation is treated and meets the public access reuse standards established and required by the Florida Department of Environmental Protection.



Perhaps the reason that we have not received a notice restricting our water usage is because our irrigation water is reclaimed from our septic treatment system !

The general notice states: "Reclaimed Water
Reclaimed water remains subject to voluntary watering hours, unless blended with another water source or restricted by the local government or utility."

Since we irrigate with reclaimed water we don't fall under the once a week restriction and should continue under The Villages twice a week program.

[OhioBuckeye]

Another question. What about the people that are snow birds that leave their irrigation systems on the present settings, 3 days a week? My neighbor is one of them & he's got a broken sprinkler head & it shoots out in a BIG stream. Right now I'm out of town & I know I'll be gone past the June 5th start date.

[OhioBuckeye]

That didn't sound right, as far as allowable times, so, I went to wattermatters.org and it said after 6pm and before 8am.

Year-round water conservation measures limit lawn watering to twice per week.

Modified Phase III Water Shortage Restrictions

Always refer to your city or county regulations first.

Effective Date and Areas
The District’s Modified Phase III water shortage restrictions are in effect June 5, 2017 through August 1, 2017, except where stricter measures have been imposed by local governments.
These measures currently apply to all of Citrus, DeSoto, Hardee, Hernando, Hillsborough, Manatee, Pasco, Pinellas and Sarasota counties; the portions of Charlotte, Highlands, Lake, Levy, Marion, Polk, and Sumter, within the District’s jurisdiction; and Gasparilla Island (including the portion in Lee County) except as noted below.
Some local governments, such as St. Petersburg, have local ordinances with special watering times.
Some local governments, such as Sarasota County and Dunedin, have local ordinances with special one-day-per-week schedules.
Ocala and most of unincorporated Marion County follows the St. Johns River Water Management District’s water restrictions; however, the City of Dunnellon and The Villages remain under the Southwest Florida Water Management District’s water restrictions.
Unincorporated Levy County follows the Suwannee River Water Management District.
These restrictions apply to the use of wells and surface sources such as ponds, rivers and canals, in addition to utility-supplied water.
Lawn Watering Schedule and Times
Lawn watering is limited to a once-per-week schedule. Follow this schedule unless your city or county has a different once-per-week schedule or more stringent restrictions.

Addresses with “house numbers” …May only irrigate on …
Ending in 0 or 1 Monday
Ending in 2 or 3 Tuesday
Ending in 4 or 5 Wednesday
Ending in 6 or 7 Thursday
Ending in 8 or 9 Friday
No address (community common areas, etc.) Friday
Unless your city or county already has stricter hours in effect, the allowable watering hours are before 8 a.m. or after 6 p.m., regardless of property size.
Landscape Watering Schedule and Times
Handwatering and micro-irrigation of plants (other than lawns) can be done on any day at any time, if needed.
New Lawns & Plants
New lawns and plants have a 60-day establishment period. On days 1-30, they may be watered any day of the week.
During days 31-60, they may be watered approximately every other day. Even-numbered addresses may water on Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday. Odd-numbered addresses may be watered on Monday, Wednesday and Saturday. See also “Deed Restrictions” below.
Reclaimed Water
Reclaimed water remains subject to voluntary watering hours, unless blended with another water source or restricted by the local government or utility.
Car Washing
Car washing is limited to once-per-week on the designated watering day for the location.
Commercial car washes, including mobile detailing businesses, may still operate on any day.
Emergency and other first responder vehicles may still be washed on any day as needed.
Fundraising events are prohibited unless they were scheduled prior to enactment of this order.
Pressure Washing
Pressure washing is allowed once a year and for necessary purposes, such as prior to painting or sealing, in order to maintain a paint or material warranty, to address a health or safety hazard and to comply with health laws. See also “Deed Restrictions” below.
Fountains
Fountains and other aesthetic water features may only operate eight hours per day. The regular hours of operation can be selected by the owner, but must be posted (see fact sheet for list of exemptions, such as water features that also provide aerification to koi ponds).
Other Water Uses
Sprinkler-like devices used on a lawn for recreational purposes shall be limited to the lawn and landscape restrictions.
The lawn and landscape of agricultural operations, commercial establishments, golf courses, athletic fields, and industrial facilities are subject to the lawn and landscape restrictions listed in the Water Shortage Order.
Additional restrictions apply to water uses specific to agricultural operations, commercial establishments, golf courses, athletic fields, and industrial facilities.
Deed Restrictions & Community Standards Enforcement
Homeowners associations and other entities must suspend any requirement to replace lawns, pressure wash, or engage in other activity which increases water use during this water shortage declaration.
Water Utilities and Other Essential Services
Water use necessary for fire suppression, maintaining safe drinking water quality, and other essential services is not restricted.
Water utilities, in conjunction with local government agencies, must enforce restrictions and provide a monthly enforcement report (see new fact sheet for details).
Water utilities must continue implementing customer messaging and other water conservation efforts (see new fact sheet for details).
Report Watering Violations

Use this service to report a water use violation, or you may call us at 1-800-848-0499 (FL only) and leave a detailed message.

Go to form
Contact Us

If you have additional water restriction questions, please contact us by sending an email to Water.Restrictions@WaterMatters.org (anytime) or by calling our water restrictions hotline at 1-800-848-0499 (FL only) or 1-800-836-0797 (FL only), ext. 2298 (during business hours).

Mailing Address

Demand Management Program
SWFWMD
7601 U.S. Hwy. 301 North
Tampa, FL 33637

A petition for variance pdf from year-round water conservation measures or water shortage restrictions is available for qualified circumstances. To confirm that a variance is needed or for assistance when filling out an application form, check with our staff during normal business hours at 1-800-848-0499 (FL only) or email Water.Variances@WaterMatters.org.


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I don't know about the twice a week thing. When I bought my house 5 yrs. ago the service that put my sprinkler system in set mine to run Sun. night, Wed & Fri. Three times a week.

[Bogie Shooter]

Ever had a fungus problem?

[Bonsai Golfer]

The only thing clear from the above discussions is that this whole water restriction thing is a BIG mess. If you don't get definitive instructions from your water utility do what you think is best and don't agonize over. Just understand that, what ever you do, someone will tell you you are doing it wrong!

[graciegirl]

The only thing clear from the above discussions is that this whole water restriction thing is a BIG mess. If you don't get definitive instructions from your water utility do what you think is best and don't agonize over. Just understand that, what ever you do, someone will tell you you are doing it wrong!

We are having a rain dance at my place in the morning. Bring your own outfit.

[biker1]

It seems pretty clear to me - you can run your irrigation system and wash your car 1 day a week for the next 2 months. There are also provisions if you have a new lawn and landscaping as well as some language regarding hand watering. The communication of the message could probably be better but the message itself is pretty clear.

The only thing clear from the above discussions is that this whole water restriction thing is a BIG mess. If you don't get definitive instructions from your water utility do what you think is best and don't agonize over. Just understand that, what ever you do, someone will tell you you are doing it wrong!

[jchase]

☔️

[autumnspring]

That didn't sound right, as far as allowable times, so, I went to wattermatters.org and it said after 6pm and before 8am.

Year-round water conservation measures limit lawn watering to twice per week.

Modified Phase III Water Shortage Restrictions

Always refer to your city or county regulations first.

Effective Date and Areas
The District’s Modified Phase III water shortage restrictions are in effect June 5, 2017 through August 1, 2017, except where stricter measures have been imposed by local governments.
These measures currently apply to all of Citrus, DeSoto, Hardee, Hernando, Hillsborough, Manatee, Pasco, Pinellas and Sarasota counties; the portions of Charlotte, Highlands, Lake, Levy, Marion, Polk, and Sumter, within the District’s jurisdiction; and Gasparilla Island (including the portion in Lee County) except as noted below.
Some local governments, such as St. Petersburg, have local ordinances with special watering times.
Some local governments, such as Sarasota County and Dunedin, have local ordinances with special one-day-per-week schedules.
Ocala and most of unincorporated Marion County follows the St. Johns River Water Management District’s water restrictions; however, the City of Dunnellon and The Villages remain under the Southwest Florida Water Management District’s water restrictions.
Unincorporated Levy County follows the Suwannee River Water Management District.
These restrictions apply to the use of wells and surface sources such as ponds, rivers and canals, in addition to utility-supplied water.
Lawn Watering Schedule and Times
Lawn watering is limited to a once-per-week schedule. Follow this schedule unless your city or county has a different once-per-week schedule or more stringent restrictions.

Addresses with “house numbers” …May only irrigate on …
Ending in 0 or 1 Monday
Ending in 2 or 3 Tuesday
Ending in 4 or 5 Wednesday
Ending in 6 or 7 Thursday
Ending in 8 or 9 Friday
No address (community common areas, etc.) Friday
Unless your city or county already has stricter hours in effect, the allowable watering hours are before 8 a.m. or after 6 p.m., regardless of property size.
Landscape Watering Schedule and Times
Handwatering and micro-irrigation of plants (other than lawns) can be done on any day at any time, if needed.
New Lawns & Plants
New lawns and plants have a 60-day establishment period. On days 1-30, they may be watered any day of the week.
During days 31-60, they may be watered approximately every other day. Even-numbered addresses may water on Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday. Odd-numbered addresses may be watered on Monday, Wednesday and Saturday. See also “Deed Restrictions” below.
Reclaimed Water
Reclaimed water remains subject to voluntary watering hours, unless blended with another water source or restricted by the local government or utility.
Car Washing
Car washing is limited to once-per-week on the designated watering day for the location.
Commercial car washes, including mobile detailing businesses, may still operate on any day.
Emergency and other first responder vehicles may still be washed on any day as needed.
Fundraising events are prohibited unless they were scheduled prior to enactment of this order.
Pressure Washing
Pressure washing is allowed once a year and for necessary purposes, such as prior to painting or sealing, in order to maintain a paint or material warranty, to address a health or safety hazard and to comply with health laws. See also “Deed Restrictions” below.
Fountains
Fountains and other aesthetic water features may only operate eight hours per day. The regular hours of operation can be selected by the owner, but must be posted (see fact sheet for list of exemptions, such as water features that also provide aerification to koi ponds).
Other Water Uses
Sprinkler-like devices used on a lawn for recreational purposes shall be limited to the lawn and landscape restrictions.
The lawn and landscape of agricultural operations, commercial establishments, golf courses, athletic fields, and industrial facilities are subject to the lawn and landscape restrictions listed in the Water Shortage Order.
Additional restrictions apply to water uses specific to agricultural operations, commercial establishments, golf courses, athletic fields, and industrial facilities.
Deed Restrictions & Community Standards Enforcement
Homeowners associations and other entities must suspend any requirement to replace lawns, pressure wash, or engage in other activity which increases water use during this water shortage declaration.
Water Utilities and Other Essential Services
Water use necessary for fire suppression, maintaining safe drinking water quality, and other essential services is not restricted.
Water utilities, in conjunction with local government agencies, must enforce restrictions and provide a monthly enforcement report (see new fact sheet for details).
Water utilities must continue implementing customer messaging and other water conservation efforts (see new fact sheet for details).
Report Watering Violations

Use this service to report a water use violation, or you may call us at 1-800-848-0499 (FL only) and leave a detailed message.

Go to form
Contact Us

If you have additional water restriction questions, please contact us by sending an email to Water.Restrictions@WaterMatters.org (anytime) or by calling our water restrictions hotline at 1-800-848-0499 (FL only) or 1-800-836-0797 (FL only), ext. 2298 (during business hours).

Mailing Address

Demand Management Program
SWFWMD
7601 U.S. Hwy. 301 North
Tampa, FL 33637

A petition for variance pdf from year-round water conservation measures or water shortage restrictions is available for qualified circumstances. To confirm that a variance is needed or for assistance when filling out an application form, check with our staff during normal business hours at 1-800-848-0499 (FL only) or email Water.Variances@WaterMatters.org.


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We live on the south side of the villages and our water used for irrigation is reclaimed water then our address ends in 4 so it would be weds. Yet, our normal water days are tues and thursday.

Obviously, we are in a drought. For your lawn you want to cut back on the fertilizer. If, you force it to grow it will need more water. You want to use an organic fertilizer as it just sits there unless there is water so the microbes can break it down.

You want to fix any leaks. If, you have a kohler toilet with the pink color gaskets in it, if will probably be leaking-you will hear water being allowed into the tank for no apparent reason. It is easy to change. No tools needed and you will find several utube videos showing how to do it.

When, we had a water shortage in NY and had feisty mayor kotch he suggested if it's yellow let it mellow-your toilet uses about 3 gallons per flush. Then, there was shower with a buddy,

Rain Barrel? Anyone have advice? Seems it would be a duel between saving water and mosquitoes.

[JBarracks]

Reclaimed Water
Reclaimed water remains subject to voluntary watering hours, unless blended with another water source or restricted by the local government or utility.

Isn't irrigation water reclaimed water? If so, no restriction?

[golfing eagles]

Reclaimed Water
Reclaimed water remains subject to voluntary watering hours, unless blended with another water source or restricted by the local government or utility.

Isn't irrigation water reclaimed water? If so, no restriction?

South of 466 the irrigation is primarily reclaimed water, held in retention ponds, so

"These restrictions apply to the use of wells and surface sources such as ponds, rivers and canals, in addition to utility-supplied water."

That being said, the rules are not clearly written. It also makes little sense that you are permitted to stand outside and water your plants for 12 hours, but cannot turn on that sprinkler zone for 2 minutes.

[biker1]

See post #91.

Reclaimed Water
Reclaimed water remains subject to voluntary watering hours, unless blended with another water source or restricted by the local government or utility.

Isn't irrigation water reclaimed water? If so, no restriction?

[biker1]

Irrigation systems put out a lot of water with no effort by the homeowner - just push a button. Most people are not going to stand outside and water for extended periods of time so the amount of water consumed will not be very high, in general. You go after the big fish when you are trying to reduce consumption.

I am not certain but I believe the term "reclaimed water" (in the context of the SWFWMD) refers to treated water from the sewage treatment facilities as opposed to rain water collected in the retention ponds. If that definition is in fact correct, then reclaimed water is not used for residential irrigation in The Villages.

Reclaimed water - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reclaimed_water)
Reclaimed or recycled water (also called wastewater reuse or water reclamation) is the process of converting wastewater into water that can be reused for other purposes. Reuse may include irrigation of gardens and agricultural fields or replenishing surface water and groundwater (i.e., groundwater recharge).

South of 466 the irrigation is primarily reclaimed water, held in retention ponds, so

"These restrictions apply to the use of wells and surface sources such as ponds, rivers and canals, in addition to utility-supplied water."

That being said, the rules are not clearly written. It also makes little sense that you are permitted to stand outside and water your plants for 12 hours, but cannot turn on that sprinkler zone for 2 minutes.

[autumnspring]

With 57,000 homes, enforcement will be challenging. I think it is safe to say that compliance will be less than 100% ;-)

It is not at all difficult. Your water use is metered.
If, you are not aware, as you use more water your price per??? gallon actually it is more likely per cubic foot, goes up dramatically.

FAIR? We can and we will argue. You must deal with what is not what you think it should be.

You can use less water by using LESS fertilizer so your lawn will grow slower and need less water. You can also raise the cutting height. You can also switch to organic fertilizer.

Your grass-grass has the ability do go dormant when water is lacking. It will/IT SHOULD, recover. You other plants and trees can be damaged and may die long after the drought has ended.

[dewilson58]

Needless to say................very confusing.

Surprised at the lack of direct communication to the owners......relying on the press is not logical these days.

Still thinking about the snowbird situation.

[autumnspring]

Are you sure ? Do they actually have somebody walk door to door reading water meters once a month ? About 5 years ago at my house in Cary NC they installed a system where they don't have to send anybody to read meters anymore. I have a website I can go to and see my water usage by the hour if I want to. There is about a 3 or 4 hour delay from usage to updating the website. It is actually useful as you can setup alerts when your water usage exceeds x gallons in a day etc.

I believe there are several different systems as well as water being supplied. Our home is three years old and on the south side of the villages. Our irrigation water is recycled water-not fit to drink. In the northern sections at least according to a friend that I have confidence in, they are using potable water, drinking water and they pay less for it. I try to only worry about things I CAN CHANGE.
I would expect, reclaimed water is going to cause more issues with the valves and heads used in your irrigation system. I have wondered how safe it is to eat fruit and vegetables we might be growing. For that matter how consistent the quality is

As to meter reading. Again not sure what system you have and I am no expert. In our system they do have a meter reader person. The meter is undeer one of those green plastic covers, we have all over the place. He does not even need to remove the cover to read it. He has a handheld device that reads right through the cover

[autumnspring]

I am disappointed that we are ordered to cut back on our already limited lawn watering, while at the same time pretending it's fantastic to just continue building thousands more new houses. All those new places will require MUCH more water for their newly installed sod, to say nothing of all the other requirements for water at each new home. Does anyone else think enough is enough and we should stop our seemingly endless expansion? Or, is it more important to penalize current residents in order to keep the developer's almighty money machine producing? At some point the overbuilding is going to backfire and we'll see property values plummet when we don't have the natural resources to support it. Since the greed will not evaporate, we'll just have to pray for sufficient rains or be content with rock landscaping as seen in developments in desert areas "out West". Enjoy the golf courses while we still have them.

You seem to be a bit stressed.
First if you read the bill posted at the start of this thread you will find they have exceptions for new lawns.

RE: Overbuilding
I was shocked to discover since I was born the population of the US has doubled. In other parts of the world it is even higher.

RE: Greedy builder
This place does so well because they offer what people want. WHAT YOU WANTED WHEN YOU BOUGHT. Fortunately, if you feel you made the wrong choice you can easily sell your place and move. My view is you can be happy or miserable anywhere. No place is perfect.

ASIDE: I just heard on the radio that due to ocean temperatures they expect eight hurricanes this year that is far more than we have gotten used to in recent years.
We may shortly find posts complaining about too much water..

[autumnspring]

saw this in the online news

The approved rate structures for the Village Center Service Area, Little Sumter Service Area, the North Sumter County Utility Dependent District, Sumter Water Conservation Authority, and Fenney Water Conservation Authority include an Environmental Protection Rate Surcharge in the event a water shortage is declared by SWFWMD. In accordance with the rate structure, a 10 percent surcharge will be added to water usage beginning June 5 as a result of SWFWMD’s declaration of a Phase III Water Shortage.

I can imagine this conversation taking place.

Beancounter 1 "if we institute watering restrictions, revenues will go down by 10%"

Beancounter 2. "No problem, we will institute a 10% surcharge, call it something like Environmental Protection, yeah, that's the ticket!"

Water,electricity and gas are UTILITIES. They are set up as MONOPOLIES. They are guaranteed to make a profit.
It becomes interesting, and we mostly do not object or are even aware but, they are actually better off spending MORE as if they spend an extra million they are guaranteed a return on that expense-needed or not.

[blueeagle65]

We still have yet to receive official notification (no mail or e-mail).

[autumnspring]

That didn't sound right, as far as allowable times, so, I went to wattermatters.org and it said after 6pm and before 8am.

Year-round water conservation measures limit lawn watering to twice per week.

Modified Phase III Water Shortage Restrictions

Always refer to your city or county regulations first.

Effective Date and Areas
The District’s Modified Phase III water shortage restrictions are in effect June 5, 2017 through August 1, 2017, except where stricter measures have been imposed by local governments.
These measures currently apply to all of Citrus, DeSoto, Hardee, Hernando, Hillsborough, Manatee, Pasco, Pinellas and Sarasota counties; the portions of Charlotte, Highlands, Lake, Levy, Marion, Polk, and Sumter, within the District’s jurisdiction; and Gasparilla Island (including the portion in Lee County) except as noted below.
Some local governments, such as St. Petersburg, have local ordinances with special watering times.
Some local governments, such as Sarasota County and Dunedin, have local ordinances with special one-day-per-week schedules.
Ocala and most of unincorporated Marion County follows the St. Johns River Water Management District’s water restrictions; however, the City of Dunnellon and The Villages remain under the Southwest Florida Water Management District’s water restrictions.
Unincorporated Levy County follows the Suwannee River Water Management District.
These restrictions apply to the use of wells and surface sources such as ponds, rivers and canals, in addition to utility-supplied water.
Lawn Watering Schedule and Times
Lawn watering is limited to a once-per-week schedule. Follow this schedule unless your city or county has a different once-per-week schedule or more stringent restrictions.

Addresses with “house numbers” …May only irrigate on …
Ending in 0 or 1 Monday
Ending in 2 or 3 Tuesday
Ending in 4 or 5 Wednesday
Ending in 6 or 7 Thursday
Ending in 8 or 9 Friday
No address (community common areas, etc.) Friday
Unless your city or county already has stricter hours in effect, the allowable watering hours are before 8 a.m. or after 6 p.m., regardless of property size.
Landscape Watering Schedule and Times
Handwatering and micro-irrigation of plants (other than lawns) can be done on any day at any time, if needed.
New Lawns & Plants
New lawns and plants have a 60-day establishment period. On days 1-30, they may be watered any day of the week.
During days 31-60, they may be watered approximately every other day. Even-numbered addresses may water on Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday. Odd-numbered addresses may be watered on Monday, Wednesday and Saturday. See also “Deed Restrictions” below.
Reclaimed Water
Reclaimed water remains subject to voluntary watering hours, unless blended with another water source or restricted by the local government or utility.
Car Washing
Car washing is limited to once-per-week on the designated watering day for the location.
Commercial car washes, including mobile detailing businesses, may still operate on any day.
Emergency and other first responder vehicles may still be washed on any day as needed.
Fundraising events are prohibited unless they were scheduled prior to enactment of this order.
Pressure Washing
Pressure washing is allowed once a year and for necessary purposes, such as prior to painting or sealing, in order to maintain a paint or material warranty, to address a health or safety hazard and to comply with health laws. See also “Deed Restrictions” below.
Fountains
Fountains and other aesthetic water features may only operate eight hours per day. The regular hours of operation can be selected by the owner, but must be posted (see fact sheet for list of exemptions, such as water features that also provide aerification to koi ponds).
Other Water Uses
Sprinkler-like devices used on a lawn for recreational purposes shall be limited to the lawn and landscape restrictions.
The lawn and landscape of agricultural operations, commercial establishments, golf courses, athletic fields, and industrial facilities are subject to the lawn and landscape restrictions listed in the Water Shortage Order.
Additional restrictions apply to water uses specific to agricultural operations, commercial establishments, golf courses, athletic fields, and industrial facilities.
Deed Restrictions & Community Standards Enforcement
Homeowners associations and other entities must suspend any requirement to replace lawns, pressure wash, or engage in other activity which increases water use during this water shortage declaration.
Water Utilities and Other Essential Services
Water use necessary for fire suppression, maintaining safe drinking water quality, and other essential services is not restricted.
Water utilities, in conjunction with local government agencies, must enforce restrictions and provide a monthly enforcement report (see new fact sheet for details).
Water utilities must continue implementing customer messaging and other water conservation efforts (see new fact sheet for details).
Report Watering Violations

Use this service to report a water use violation, or you may call us at 1-800-848-0499 (FL only) and leave a detailed message.

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Contact Us

If you have additional water restriction questions, please contact us by sending an email to Water.Restrictions@WaterMatters.org (anytime) or by calling our water restrictions hotline at 1-800-848-0499 (FL only) or 1-800-836-0797 (FL only), ext. 2298 (during business hours).

Mailing Address

Demand Management Program
SWFWMD
7601 U.S. Hwy. 301 North
Tampa, FL 33637

A petition for variance pdf from year-round water conservation measures or water shortage restrictions is available for qualified circumstances. To confirm that a variance is needed or for assistance when filling out an application form, check with our staff during normal business hours at 1-800-848-0499 (FL only) or email Water.Variances@WaterMatters.org.


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I just called the water company.
The above previously supplied by a fellow villager is correct. So our house which ends in a 4 and our previous water days was tues thurs it is now weds. We can water 6pm to 8 am.

I was told, for enforcement they expect neighbors to report neighbors. Personally, I find that offensive but, that is what I was told.

We are on the south end of the villages and use a separate water source to water the lawn. I asked if that effects our watering rules. TYPICAL of government. There is reclaimed and recycled water. I don't know the difference
but whichever we have it does not change the watering dictate. So we on the southside get to pay more for dirty water than they do in the north for drinking quality water.
I had heard that what we are using to water our lawns is minamally processed water from the lakes, ponds-esentially drainage ditches around here.

I also called the UCF group that does the gardening lectures. June 27th they have scheduled a lecture on water use at the Savannah center.

[dewilson58]

I just called the water company.
The above previously supplied by a fellow villager is correct. So our house which ends in a 4 and our previous water days was tues thurs it is now weds. We can water 6pm to 8 am.

I was told, for enforcement they expect neighbors to report neighbors. Personally, I find that offensive but, that is what I was told.

We are on the south end of the villages and use a separate water source to water the lawn. I asked if that effects our watering rules. TYPICAL of government. There is reclaimed and recycled water. I don't know the difference
but whichever we have it does not change the watering dictate. So we on the southside get to pay more for dirty water than they do in the north for drinking quality water.
I had heard that what we are using to water our lawns is minamally processed water from the lakes, ponds-esentially drainage ditches around here.

I also called the UCF group that does the gardening lectures. June 27th they have scheduled a lecture on water use at the Savannah center.

Love thy neighbor.

:1rotfl:

[Ralphy]

When I attended the residents academy, I was told that there are three kinds of water in the Villages. Potable, non-potable and reclaimed. Potable comes from wells, is treated, and is used in houses, rec centers, and businesses. Non-potable comes from deep wells, not lakes, and is used to irrigate residential lawns and flower beds. This water is not treated and should not be consumed. Reclaimed is processed sewer water and is stored in golf course lakes and is only used to irrigate golf courses. Therefore, the watering of residential lawns and flower beds is restricted starting June 5th.

[golfing eagles]

:boxing2:I just called the water company.
The above previously supplied by a fellow villager is correct. So our house which ends in a 4 and our previous water days was tues thurs it is now weds. We can water 6pm to 8 am.

I was told, for enforcement they expect neighbors to report neighbors. Personally, I find that offensive but, that is what I was told.
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What a great idea!!. Personally, I plan to stay up until 3:30 AM and then walk up and down the street and note on a calendar who is watering when. Hopefully I won't get attacked by a coyote or step in dog poop.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Normally, I would expect 0 residents getting "reported", but I'm sure there are a few clowns out there that will do just what I stated above, in the tradition of the 8 inch gnome policewoman

[Mrs. Robinson]

[QUOTE=villages07;1402874]That didn't sound right, as far as allowable times, so, I went to wattermatters.org and it said after 6pm and before 8am.

Year-round water conservation measures limit lawn watering to twice per week.

Modified Phase III Water Shortage Restrictions

Always refer to your city or county regulations first.

Effective Date and Areas
The District’s Modified Phase III water shortage restrictions are in effect June 5, 2017 through August 1, 2017, except where stricter measures have been imposed by local governments.



The lawn and landscape of agricultural operations, commercial establishments, golf courses, athletic fields, and industrial facilities are subject to the lawn and landscape restrictions listed in the Water Shortage Order.

Golf courses here in TV can only water once a week?

Once a week in TV? What a joke!
And who is going to police that??!?

[biker1]

The irrigation water south of 466 is actually rain water collected in the retention ponds and augmented with other sources. See post #91.

I believe there are several different systems as well as water being supplied. Our home is three years old and on the south side of the villages. Our irrigation water is recycled water-not fit to drink. In the northern sections at least according to a friend that I have confidence in, they are using potable water, drinking water and they pay less for it. I try to only worry about things I CAN CHANGE.
I would expect, reclaimed water is going to cause more issues with the valves and heads used in your irrigation system. I have wondered how safe it is to eat fruit and vegetables we might be growing. For that matter how consistent the quality is

As to meter reading. Again not sure what system you have and I am no expert. In our system they do have a meter reader person. The meter is undeer one of those green plastic covers, we have all over the place. He does not even need to remove the cover to read it. He has a handheld device that reads right through the cover

[biker1]

The restriction is in terms of the number of days per week that you can water, not the amount of water that you use. Water is sold in units of gallons not cubic feet. This is easily seen on your monthly bill.

It is not at all difficult. Your water use is metered.
If, you are not aware, as you use more water your price per??? gallon actually it is more likely per cubic foot, goes up dramatically.

FAIR? We can and we will argue. You must deal with what is not what you think it should be.

You can use less water by using LESS fertilizer so your lawn will grow slower and need less water. You can also raise the cutting height. You can also switch to organic fertilizer.

Your grass-grass has the ability do go dormant when water is lacking. It will/IT SHOULD, recover. You other plants and trees can be damaged and may die long after the drought has ended.

[Mrs. Robinson]

This is what we used to do at Lake Michigan, where everything is built on sand. The water drains right through into the sand and nothing is retained, so more frequent watering for shorter periods is the way to go. I plan to try this, because our lawn looks like the Sahara Desert with two days per week.

This is exactly why homeowners should be doing things to enrich the "sand" that we call soil.
Add peat moss, Black Kow and/or compost; put down layers of newspaper with mulch on top.
Over time, the mulch and newspaper disintegrates and actually helps to become soil.
These things are what will help retain moisture in planted areas.

Anyone who has stones as opposed to some type of mulch, isn't doing anything to benefit the sand or anything planted in it.
Stones actually do more harm than anything good and fertilizer over the stones doesn't do much good in this case either.

[Polar Bear]

...Anyone who has stones as opposed to some type of mulch, isn't doing anything to benefit the sand or anything planted in it.
Stones actually do more harm than anything good and fertilizer over the stones doesn't do much good in this case either...
Our stone planting areas do just fine with near zero maintenance.

[dbussone]

Our stone planting areas do just fine with near zero maintenance.



In what season do they drop their seed pods? [emoji41]


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[photo1902]

Our stone planting areas do just fine with near zero maintenance.

I was going to say the same thing. My plants and flowers are thriving in our landscaped area, in which we replaced the pine straw with stone. I can say the same about all of my neighbors who have done the same. The mulch theory is BS.

[Topspinmo]

Not a word about those "free water" bottling companies!

I see Still planting those water lillies in the roundabouts? Thought under water restrictions and drought they wasn't supposed to pull up pretty mature flowers, due to the fact newly planted takes three times the water (I'm guessing) to keep them alive.

[Topspinmo]

It isn't reclaimed from the SEPTIC SYSTEM.

It smells bad some times because it is incubating smelly little microorganisms when it lies quietly in the pipes where it is dark and warm.

Our reclaimed water in The Villages comes from our retaining ponds.


Smells like it's coming off the bottom of the pond to me?

[DaveNKath]

This water restriction, isn't there between 30 to 50 thousand people away from May thru October not using their portable water, think of that too.

[ColdNoMore]

I'm glad that I took the opportunity to read all of the posts in this thread, as I have to admit that the title of the thread didn't interest me at first given that I thought it would be advocating yet more drinking establishments...extending their happy hours. :D

[Mrs. Robinson]

This water restriction, isn't there between 30 to 50 thousand people away from May thru October not using their portable water, think of that too.

The snowbirds who have left for the season definitely have their sprinklers set for more than once a week, let alone their specified day for watering.

So what about them?

[Fastskiguy]

The snowbirds who have left for the season definitely have their sprinklers set for more than once a week, let alone their specified day for watering.

So what about them?

Yeah! What about them! Wait a second...I'm one of those guys....I'm up here and the sprinkler control panel is down there so I should....hmmmm...

[dbussone]

Yeah! What about them! Wait a second...I'm one of those guys....I'm up here and the sprinkler control panel is down there so I should....hmmmm...



Just ask your neighbors to help. I've already been contacted by one.


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[paulat585]

Can anyone tell me how to find out whether I have "reuse" water or not. My homewatch people want to reset my irrigation timer and asked about this. Thanks!

[Fraugoofy]

Can anyone tell me how to find out whether I have "reuse" water or not. My homewatch people want to reset my irrigation timer and asked about this. Thanks!
Where do you live? Which village?

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[e-flyer]

Doesn't matter where you live, it effects everyone. I guess there is a difference between reclaimed and non-potable irrigation water. I thought that was also reclaimed water??? They also said if you use are in an area that uses non-potable irrigation water and the levels get too low, they tap into the aquifer. That is how it's justified.

From SWFWMD Declares Ph 3 Water Shortage Order (http://www.thevillageswaterwisdom.com/watering/swfwmd-declares-ph-3-water-shortage-order/)

Residential and general commercial customers in The Villages do not receive reclaimed water. Non-potable irrigation water is not exempt from the restrictions, therefore the restrictions are applicable to The Villages in:
• Sumter County, Districts 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, and 12
• Marion County, District 4
• Lake County, District 11

[paulat585]

Thanks!

[paulat585]

We live in Silver Lake.

[Allegiance]

We live in Silver Lake.
I do not think that part of the villages has any restrictions. I could be wrong, thought I was once.

[perrjojo]

As I walked our neighborhood today I saw far too many wet streets. Please adjust your irrigation to water your yard and not the street.

[Allegiance]

We live in Silver Lake.
Silver Lake uses only regular water for everything, no reclaimed water of any type and not in a district with restrictions.


If you happen to be jogging early morning and get thirsty just drink from any sprinkler.

Pitbull eats water jet sprinkler - YouTube (https://youtu.be/7nGc42I4Og8)

[GilchristCruisers]

2016 6/1-9/30 we had 20" of rain.

Rainfall. Snowfall. Temperature. - A simple way to get weather history totals for your city or town. (http://www.theweathercollector.com/?gclid=COvI8Y7Di9QCFce4wAodpSUETg)

Depends on what area of The Villages you live in. Unless it's done by GPS coordinates, it won't be all that accurate now that The Villages has gotten so large. Last year, the Southern part often got nothing while it rained in Spanish Springs, Lake Sumter and other areas.

[Toymeister]

Yeah! What about them! Wait a second...I'm one of those guys....I'm up here and the sprinkler control panel is down there so I should....hmmmm...

You should pay to have a Rachio controller installed (Amazon 199.00) so you can control your water from "up there". Look it up, the technology available to solve your problem is great!

[dewilson58]

The snowbirds who have left for the season definitely have their sprinklers set for more than once a week, let alone their specified day for watering.

So what about them?

From SWFWMD:

SNOWBIRDS: Properties must follow the new restrictions even if they are not currently occupied. Seasonal residents should have someone local (neighbor, family, lawn service, etc.) that they can trust to take care of any problems that arise, including but not limited to adjusting an irrigation controller when water restrictions change.



TIME: All “wasteful and unnecessary” water use is also prohibited. Just because you have two "windows" of time in which to do necessary irrigation, this does not mean you need to use the whole time. You may only accomplish one complete irrigation sometime during your allowable times. For a lawn, one complete irrigation is 7/10-3/4 inch of water for a lawn when watering once per week, and the amount of time to accomplish that depends on a number of factors. A general "rule of thumb" is to run spray zones for 15-20 minutes, run rotor zones for 30-45 minutes, and run an oscillating (hose-end) sprinkler for 45-60 minutes. To verify the amount of time a particular area needs, do the following: measure the water the water that falls into at least 6 straight-edge cans when you water for a known amount of time, calculate the average amount of water that is caught in those cans, and then "do the math" to determine if you need to add or subtract run time. For example, if watering for 10 minutes results in 1/2 inch of water, add 5 minutes of run time to get 3/4 inch.

[vintageogauge]

Hopefully the rains will come and we won't have to be concerned about all of this.

[Fastskiguy]

You should pay to have a Rachio controller installed (Amazon 199.00) so you can control your water from "up there". Look it up, the technology available to solve your problem is great!

Awesome, thanks :)

[rxatkin]

I just checked with The Villages Utility Customer Service and was advised that both our Potable and Non-Potable water is subject to the one day a week watering restriction. We use Recycled water, not Reclaimed water according to the representative I spoke to. She also pointed out that the 10% surcharge will only apply to the Water USE, not the Water BASE and the Irrigation USE, not the Irrigation BASE charges.

[Mrs. Robinson]

You should pay to have a Rachio controller installed (Amazon 199.00) so you can control your water from "up there". Look it up, the technology available to solve your problem is great!

You probably can get it for less on eBay, depending upon the particular model , and especially if you bid on and win an auction.