Fourth Circuit Punishes The American Electorate

[rubicon]

"The Fourth US Circuit of Appeals ( in International Refugee Assistant Project v Trump) defies supreme Court precedent and engages in policy that the Constitution plainly reserves to the president and Congress ............

The controlling case is Kleindienst v Mandel (1972) .........
The Supreme Court concluded from that case
1) aliens have no constitutional right to enter the US
2) Americans have no Constitutional right to demand entry for aliens
3) the decision to deny admission to an alien must be upheld f it is based on a facially legitimate and bona fide reason.

The Supreme Court reaffirmed Mandel with Fiallo v BELL (1977) and Kerry v Din (2015)

David Rivkin, Jr, & Lee Casey practice Appellate and Adminstrative Law In Washington DC.

The authors conclude the Judges for the Fourth Circuit
are engaged in the judicial equivalent of "the resistance"

P.S. To the radical left its resistance but to the majority of the nation it is the garden variety obstruction

Personal Best Regards:

[Rockyrd]

"The Fourth US Circuit of Appeals ( in International Refugee Assistant Project v Trump) defies supreme Court precedent and engages in policy that the Constitution plainly reserves to the president and Congress ............

The controlling case is Kleindienst v Mandel (1972) .........
The Supreme Court concluded from that case
1) aliens have no constitutional right to enter the US
2) Americans have no Constitutional right to demand entry for aliens
3) the decision to deny admission to an alien must be upheld f it is based on a facially legitimate and bona fide reason.

The Supreme Court reaffirmed Mandel with Fiallo v BELL (1977) and Kerry v Din (2015)

David Rivkin, Jr, & Lee Casey practice Appellate and Adminstrative Law In Washington DC.

The authors conclude the Judges for the Fourth Circuit
are engaged in the judicial equivalent of "the resistance"

P.S. To the radical left its resistance but to the majority of the nation it is the garden variety obstruction

Personal Best Regards:

Please supply the website from which you plagiarized this time ?

Thank you

[Sandtrap328]

Rubicon - Putting quotation marks at the beginning and ending of your post does not do anything for your veracity. It merely shows you copied from somewhere BUT you also have to show the source of the quotation.

You would not have made it through any college courses for which a term paper was required with that sloppy style.

[rubicon]

Judiciary and progressive political leaders are playing politics and exposing American citizens to serious security and safety breaches.

Trump is right to ask for a temporary travel ban.

Trump was also right concerning his comments on Sweden which progressive quickly dismissed out of hand as nonsense. Really!

96% of Moroccan ‘Child Immigrants’ to Sweden are Adult Men
By Onan Coca May 29, 2017 Constitution)

Sweden can’t seem to get out of their own way when it comes to the government narrative on Muslim migrants and refugees.

While the people of Sweden clamor for change, beg their politicians to tighten border security, and pray for relief from the floods of migrants constantly pouring across their borders, the Swedish politicians continue to sit ensconced in their Ivory Towers protected from the carnage in the streets below.

Over the last few months there have been many different reports from the Northern European nation, proving that Sweden is struggling to find a way to deal with a spike in crime and poverty that they’ve allowed through their reckless immigration policies. Sweden was once a peaceful land with a very low crime rate – now it suffers the ignominy of being the world’s “rape capital.” Sweden is also the Western world’s leader in … “grenade attacks.” Did you even know that was a thing? Well, Sweden had 27 grenade attacks in 2016, and they’ve already had a bunch of them in 2017 as well.The point is that Sweden is suffering and their current liberal government is pretending that nothing is wrong, and everything is as it should be… but it’s not.

The latest evidence of the massive problems that Sweden is creating for itself is just now being reported in Sweden’s major news outlets.

A recent study of incoming migrants from Morocco found that a full 96% of them lied to the government about their age, telling the government that they were “children’ when in fact, they were adult men......

Read it and weep.

Personal Best Regards:

[ColdNoMore]

Please supply the website from which you plagiarized this time ?

Thank you

Rubicon - Putting quotation marks at the beginning and ending of your post does not do anything for your veracity. It merely shows you copied from somewhere BUT you also have to show the source of the quotation.

You would not have made it through any college courses for which a term paper was required with that sloppy style.


NAILED IT! :thumbup:


In all honesty though, I'm coming to believe that in spite of his desperate attempts at fooling people into believing that he is some type of intellectual...he doesn't even know how to do something as simple as linking to a site. :oops:

[Don Baldwin]

Rubicon - Putting quotation marks at the beginning and ending of your post does not do anything for your veracity. It merely shows you copied from somewhere BUT you also have to show the source of the quotation.

You would not have made it through any college courses for which a term paper was required with that sloppy style.

NAILED IT! :thumbup:


In all honesty though, I'm coming to believe that in spite of his desperate attempts at fooling people into believing that he is some type of intellectual...he doesn't even know how to do something as simple as linking to a site. :oops:

If you yourself want to see where something came from...if you think it's been copied word for word...simply (in Firefox) highlight the phrase, right click and choose "search google for..." It really does work well...it will show you all the web sites that contain that exact phrase. I "quote" passages I've grabbed so that you can go see where it came from yourself.

"I'll show you how well it works"

"I'll show you how well it works" - Google Search (https://www.google.com/search?q=%22I%27ll+show+you+how+well+it+works%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8)

I'll link the first time I bring something up...after that...you're supposed to remember...or you can search yourself.

[ColdNoMore]

If you yourself want to see where something came from...if you think it's been copied word for word...simply (in Firefox) highlight the phrase, right click and choose "search google for..." It really does work well...it will show you all the web sites that contain that exact phrase. I "quote" passages I've grabbed so that you can go see where it came from yourself.

"I'll show you how well it works"

"I'll show you how well it works" - Google Search (https://www.google.com/search?q=%22I%27ll+show+you+how+well+it+works%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8)

I'll link the first time I bring something up...after that...you're supposed to remember...or you can search yourself.

I am perfectly aware of how to find his plagiarisms. ;)


How do you think it is so easy to prove...that he's never had an original thought? :1rotfl:

[Rockyrd]

Rubicon - Putting quotation marks at the beginning and ending of your post does not do anything for your veracity. It merely shows you copied from somewhere BUT you also have to show the source of the quotation.

You would not have made it through any college courses for which a term paper was required with that sloppy style.

RUBICON is using, or plagiarizing a site called CONSTITUTION.COM. It appears to be extremely hard right wing, in fact I found this as one assessment...

"Notes: The Constitution is an online political news and opinion source. The Constitution has over the top right wing bias and is not very factual. There are questionable undertones regarding race relations with a strong nationalistic view. Requires fact checking."

This comes from a dubious site, to me anyway, but it seems to be accurate in at least most cases. That website where this assessment comes from is mediabiasfactcheck.com.

It is difficult to track down a lot on websites like this but if you visit it, you will find a very very hard right extreme website.

The US Constitution (http://constitution.com/)

One look at the home page of this site and you know you are in alt right territory for sure.

The author.....Onan Coca

Onan is the Editor-in-Chief at Romulus Marketing. He's also the managing editor at Eaglerising.com, Constitution.com and the managing partner at iPatriot.com. Onan is a graduate of Liberty University (2003) and earned his M.Ed. at Western Governors University in 2012. Onan lives in Atlanta with his wife and their three wonderful children. You can find his writing all over the web.

You can find his writings at sites like LibertyAlliance...EagleRising...FreedomOutpost, and others but you get the picture.....this is not a mainstream center site nor are their writers.....EXTREME is the word I have heard and seen in speaking of these sites.

I did try to examine the actual content of the writings and that is tough actually from these extreme websites because they traditionally use very old studies or do the studies them selves but most are simply headline kind of things with no wheels or they would get more traction.

The constitution.com website is the only place this information can be found.

So, I thought why not look into immigration in Sweden. If you recall, our President sort of came down hard on Sweden in one of his early morning twitter rants. I offer this as a continuation and reaction to his tweets on Sweden. I offer this little snippet...as always Trump based his criticism on nothing much more than a video he saw...

"this is the crux of the debate. How real are the problems in Sweden? Are they worse than anywhere else (say, the US)? Were they caused by immigrants and refugees?

The documentary that Trump watched brief clips from is deliberately incendiary.

They continue to give the REAL facts and this link gives great detail on what is happening in Sweden and it surely has nothing about that Rubicon posted study from 2013 where Morocaans were lying about age and sex. Not perfect but not Trumpese...

The Swedish migrant crime story that Donald Trump didn't tell (http://www.smh.com.au/world/the-swedish-migrant-crime-story-that-donald-trump-didnt-tell-20170225-gul5s6.html)

Then thought would add this link which is a more current look at Sweden....

Swedish immigration is not out of control – it’s actually getting more restrictive | The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/swedish-immigration-is-not-out-of-control-it-s-actually-getting-more-restrictive-a7605071.html)

Bottom line....Rubicon plagiarized an extreme website on the list of Alt right sites and certainly not main stream by any stretch of any imagination.

The links between writer and websites take you to the extreme right wing.....the die hard Tea Party folks for example.

The facts presented are WAY WAY WAY over stated and basically after reading other links, simply not true.

When people do this...plagiarize....then just run away from any discussion, they act as TROLLS..."troll
One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument


Would love to discuss anything with Rubicon but he needs to leave the alt right extreme reading, most of which you can read on the Russian sites...that is where he got his recent goings about Obama wiretapping everyone...they were pushing that hard.

And he has to get his feet on the ground and face reality...he is extreme in his thinking...not even close to center, so those he hates so much and blames so much are closer to center than he could ever be

[BIGPOPPA]

I am perfectly aware of how to find his plagiarisms. ;)


How do you think it is so easy to prove...that he's never had an original thought? :1rotfl:

BIGPOPPA has the thought but the thought no original because berry many of the people have the thought before meself. You are not a good personal. Hard to understand yo use the big words but you no say no thing. My thought you a foreigner person four sure.

[Don Baldwin]

RUBICON is using, or plagiarizing a site called CONSTITUTION.COM. It appears to be extremely hard right wing, in fact I found this as one assessment...

"Notes: The Constitution is an online political news and opinion source. The Constitution has over the top right wing bias and is not very factual. There are questionable undertones regarding race relations with a strong nationalistic view. Requires fact checking."

This comes from a dubious site, to me anyway, but it seems to be accurate in at least most cases. That website where this assessment comes from is mediabiasfactcheck.com.

It is difficult to track down a lot on websites like this but if you visit it, you will find a very very hard right extreme website.

The US Constitution (http://constitution.com/)

One look at the home page of this site and you know you are in alt right territory for sure.

The author.....Onan Coca

Onan is the Editor-in-Chief at Romulus Marketing. He's also the managing editor at Eaglerising.com, Constitution.com and the managing partner at iPatriot.com. Onan is a graduate of Liberty University (2003) and earned his M.Ed. at Western Governors University in 2012. Onan lives in Atlanta with his wife and their three wonderful children. You can find his writing all over the web.

You can find his writings at sites like LibertyAlliance...EagleRising...FreedomOutpost, and others but you get the picture.....this is not a mainstream center site nor are their writers.....EXTREME is the word I have heard and seen in speaking of these sites.

I did try to examine the actual content of the writings and that is tough actually from these extreme websites because they traditionally use very old studies or do the studies them selves but most are simply headline kind of things with no wheels or they would get more traction.

The constitution.com website is the only place this information can be found.

So, I thought why not look into immigration in Sweden. If you recall, our President sort of came down hard on Sweden in one of his early morning twitter rants. I offer this as a continuation and reaction to his tweets on Sweden. I offer this little snippet...as always Trump based his criticism on nothing much more than a video he saw...

"this is the crux of the debate. How real are the problems in Sweden? Are they worse than anywhere else (say, the US)? Were they caused by immigrants and refugees?

The documentary that Trump watched brief clips from is deliberately incendiary.

They continue to give the REAL facts and this link gives great detail on what is happening in Sweden and it surely has nothing about that Rubicon posted study from 2013 where Morocaans were lying about age and sex. Not perfect but not Trumpese...

The Swedish migrant crime story that Donald Trump didn't tell (http://www.smh.com.au/world/the-swedish-migrant-crime-story-that-donald-trump-didnt-tell-20170225-gul5s6.html)

Then thought would add this link which is a more current look at Sweden....

Swedish immigration is not out of control – it’s actually getting more restrictive | The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/swedish-immigration-is-not-out-of-control-it-s-actually-getting-more-restrictive-a7605071.html)

Bottom line....Rubicon plagiarized an extreme website on the list of Alt right sites and certainly not main stream by any stretch of any imagination.

The links between writer and websites take you to the extreme right wing.....the die hard Tea Party folks for example.

The facts presented are WAY WAY WAY over stated and basically after reading other links, simply not true.

When people do this...plagiarize....then just run away from any discussion, they act as TROLLS..."troll
One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument


Would love to discuss anything with Rubicon but he needs to leave the alt right extreme reading, most of which you can read on the Russian sites...that is where he got his recent goings about Obama wiretapping everyone...they were pushing that hard.

And he has to get his feet on the ground and face reality...he is extreme in his thinking...not even close to center, so those he hates so much and blames so much are closer to center than he could ever be

Your "Sweden now" link was so full of doublespeak and garbage...I didn't even finish it. It's a propaganda piece meant to quiet the people down as they slowly lose their culture and country like we are here to invaders.

Lets take a look...

"The reality of violence against women and gay people within certain immigrant groups poses a persistent challenge to Swedish authorities.

Certain groups of immigrants are also over-represented in crime statistics but these groups overwhelmingly come from socially and economically marginalised suburbs, such as Rosengård in Malmö and Rinkeby in Stockholm which have “very high” unemployment rates. Schools in these immigrant-majority suburbs drastically lag behind those in wealthier areas in terms of student achievement.

Read more

Immigrants have benefited Sweden, says former US ambassador

Some Muslim communities in Sweden do call for separate Sharia laws but others have explicitly rejected such claims because they want to be integrated into Swedish society, legally as well as culturally."


Rapes and beatings...committed by the refugees in the refugee areas.

Refugees causing trouble in the areas where the refugees live. The ghetto.

Gee really? High unemployment? Don't know the language, customs...and thinks you're an infidel who deserves to die...whats not to like?

They need shop classes...in b0mb making! They'd get all As in that. Again, they don't know the language, how are they supposed to learn anything?

These people aren't Swedes, they're not GOING to be Swedes...ever. They're not a benefit...they never will be...if enough of them come and have enough babies...they'll breed the Swedes out like Hispanics are doing here. Whites and western civilization will be essentially gone.

This last one...

"Some Muslim communities in Sweden do call for separate Sharia laws but others have explicitly rejected such claims because they want to be integrated into Swedish society, legally as well as culturally."

It's the funniest one of all...they WANT to become a LEGAL member of Swedish society...until they ARE a legal member...then they want separate everything including laws.

Back to the subject at hand...

WHAT WAS INCORRECT at any of those sites?

[wjboyer1]

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[Cedwards38]

In the title of this thread, where you refer to "the American Electorate," are you referring to the minority of Americans who voted for Donald Trump in the presidential election of 2016?

[Don Baldwin]

In the title of this thread, where you refer to "the American Electorate," are you referring to the minority of Americans who voted for Donald Trump in the presidential election of 2016?

EVERY president is elected by a minority...an average 17% of the total population actually vote for the winner.

[Rockyrd]

To the subject of the thread.....

A substantial majority of the judges who sit on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit in Richmond delivered a rather remarkable judgment last week: The president of the United States is not to be believed.

Will the Supreme Court conclude the same thing? And by “Supreme Court,” we mean “Justice Anthony M. Kennedy,” whose name was invoked 23 times in the 205 pages of majority opinions, concurrences and dissents in the appeals court’s 10-to-3 rejection of President Trump’s revised travel ban.

Court says essentially that Trump is not to be believed. Will Supreme Court conclude the same? - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/court-says-essentially-that-trump-is-not-be-believed-will-supreme-court-conclude-the-same/2017/05/28/3cb585c8-423f-11e7-8c25-44d09ff5a4a8_story.html?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.9e4ddfd304b0)

"But it’s worth another look at the remarkable rhetoric in Chief Judge Roger L. Gregory’s majority opinion, which concludes that Trump’s “true reason” for the travel ban was not protecting the nation’s security but making good on a campaign promise born of anti-Muslim bias.

As Harvard law professor Noah Feldman put it in an essay for Bloomberg News, “It’s extraordinary for a federal court to tell the president directly that he’s lying; I certainly can’t think of any other examples in my lifetime.”

[dirtbanker]

Rockface found something he has decided we must read!
All bold and red font...

[Allegiance]

Rockface found something he has decided we must read!
All bold and red font...
Can you imagine the effort these guys go through? All that typing, font color, up all night. For what? Do they think they will convince one Trump supporter to change their views.

They are wackadoodles.

[Rockyrd]

Can you imagine the effort these guys go through? All that typing, font color, up all night. For what? Do they think they will convince one Trump supporter to change their views.

They are wackadoodles.

Wanting to be informed is an act of whacky if you support Trump. No need to do that, because he will lie to you, and you will simply bow and repeat what he tells you.

So, since you find being informed and being able to discuss facts to be a "wackadoodle" act, WHY do you come here ? What do you, or better yet...what CAN you discuss ?

You are very close now to admitting your Troll behavior.

You come on a local forum designed to discuss politics, and you make fun of those who come on here to discuss politics.

And you think everyone else is nuts ?

If I could drive you no life, low life types off here, I would be happy to visit my adult discussion groups, or simply have the discussions with groups designed for that

But, they are for adults so that leaves you out, but based on your posts and seemingly endless lack of knowledge, you have heard that before.

What a waste to have your life revolve around irritating adults trying to share real information. You act like a child, talk like a child, and have the knowledge of a child.

OR, you might follow the lead of the OP...visit extremist sites, steal their words and post as if you knew something, but alas not good for you..that would require a tad bit of reading

[Allegiance]

Wanting to be informed is an act of whacky if you support Trump. No need to do that, because he will lie to you, and you will simply bow and repeat what he tells you.

So, since you find being informed and being able to discuss facts to be a "wackadoodle" act, WHY do you come here ? What do you, or better yet...what CAN you discuss ?

You are very close now to admitting your Troll behavior.

You come on a local forum designed to discuss politics, and you make fun of those who come on here to discuss politics.

And you think everyone else is nuts ?

If I could drive you no life, low life types off here, I would be happy to visit my adult discussion groups, or simply have the discussions with groups designed for that

But, they are for adults so that leaves you out, but based on your posts and seemingly endless lack of knowledge, you have heard that before.

What a waste to have your life revolve around irritating adults trying to share real information. You act like a child, talk like a child, and have the knowledge of a child.

Blah blah, thought you were watching a game and reading a book.


Lol

[Rockyrd]

Blah blah, thought you were watching a game and reading a book.


Lol

I think I got it.

You CAN read newspapers, articles and news magazines.

See, you thought you had to have a book....think we are on to something. You only read books.....can only imagine the subject matter.

[Allegiance]

I think I got it.

You CAN read newspapers, articles and news magazines.

See, you thought you had to have a book....think we are on to something. You only read books.....can only imagine the subject matter.
Wackadoodle

[rubicon]

I cited the source of the story on Sweden in post #4. Posters can choose to believe it or not. It makes no difference to me.

However, the reality is that immigration is no longer as benign as some people would have you believe.

This nation's immigration policy is based on family. Ex Uncle brings his nephew to the USA.

Many purport that immigration ought to be based on need. America needs more engineers. allow a number in.

The benefit for America is they are allowing self supporting people to gain entry and those who would quickly assimilate.

As the progressives continue their resistance to this issue and others we are all suffering fools .

Personal Best Regards:

[Rockyrd]

I cited the source of the story on Sweden in post #4. Posters can choose to believe it or not. It makes no difference to me.

However, the reality is that immigration is no longer as benign as some people would have you believe.

This nation's immigration policy is based on family. Ex Uncle brings his nephew to the USA.

Many purport that immigration ought to be based on need. America needs more engineers. allow a number in.

The benefit for America is they are allowing self supporting people to gain entry and those who would quickly assimilate.

As the progressives continue their resistance to this issue and others we are all suffering fools .

Personal Best Regards:

Well, the actual content you did not check however.

We were told any ban was just to review our vetting, which is the best in the world, but haven't heard anything about that study.

Nor have I heard anything about ISIS in the Philippines.

When you lie over and over and over, how can you expect the judicial system to support you ?

[MDLNB]

Well, the actual content you did not check however.

We were told any ban was just to review our vetting, which is the best in the world, but haven't heard anything about that study.

Nor have I heard anything about ISIS in the Philippines.

When you lie over and over and over, how can you expect the judicial system to support you ?

Is that why Hillary was never indicted? Because she lied over and over so they feared the judicial system would not support her or Obama?

[Rockyrd]

Is that why Hillary was never indicted? Because she lied over and over so they feared the judicial system would not support her or Obama?

Now this is a REAL STUPID STRETCH.

On a story about IMMIGRATION and our Judicial system, you actually found a way to stick Clintons name in......man, you are totally and completely deluded and unaware.

Election is over.....the court of appeals blocked this because they found our President could not be trusted.

If this goes to the Supreme Court and the highest court in the land up holds it....WOW......

[MDLNB]

Now this is a REAL STUPID STRETCH.

On a story about IMMIGRATION and our Judicial system, you actually found a way to stick Clintons name in......man, you are totally and completely deluded and unaware.

Election is over.....the court of appeals blocked this because they found our President could not be trusted.

If this goes to the Supreme Court and the highest court in the land up holds it....WOW......

You brought up lying, so why are you so disingenuous by acting indignant about my bringing up the queen of lies herself? You are putting up suppositions that the reason they refused Trump is because he lies and they can't trust him. Are you suggesting that the court is not being honest? After all, why would they use his campaign rhetoric as a basis for this instead of just seeing if it conforms with the law? You are suggesting that the court is not being honest. I could probably agree with you on that idea.

[Rockyrd]

You brought up lying, so why are you so disingenuous by acting indignant about my bringing up the queen of lies herself? You are putting up suppositions that the reason they refused Trump is because he lies and they can't trust him. Are you suggesting that the court is not being honest? After all, why would they use his campaign rhetoric as a basis for this instead of just seeing if it conforms with the law? You are suggesting that the court is not being honest. I could probably agree with you on that idea.


"A substantial majority of the judges who sit on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit in Richmond delivered a rather remarkable judgment last week: The president of the United States is not to be believed.

Will the Supreme Court conclude the same thing? And by “Supreme Court,” we mean “Justice Anthony M. Kennedy,” whose name was invoked 23 times in the 205 pages of majority opinions, concurrences and dissents in the appeals court’s 10-to-3 rejection of President Trump’s revised travel ban."

Court says essentially that Trump is not to be believed. Will Supreme Court conclude the same? - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/court-says-essentially-that-trump-is-not-be-believed-will-supreme-court-conclude-the-same/2017/05/28/3cb585c8-423f-11e7-8c25-44d09ff5a4a8_story.html?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.eac546a4b68d)

"But it’s worth another look at the remarkable rhetoric in Chief Judge Roger L. Gregory’s majority opinion, which concludes that Trump’s “true reason” for the travel ban was not protecting the nation’s security but making good on a campaign promise born of anti-Muslim bias.

As Harvard law professor Noah Feldman put it in an essay for Bloomberg News, “It’s extraordinary for a federal court to tell the president directly that he’s lying; I certainly can’t think of any other examples in my lifetime.”

[MDLNB]

"A substantial majority of the judges who sit on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit in Richmond delivered a rather remarkable judgment last week: The president of the United States is not to be believed.

Will the Supreme Court conclude the same thing? And by “Supreme Court,” we mean “Justice Anthony M. Kennedy,” whose name was invoked 23 times in the 205 pages of majority opinions, concurrences and dissents in the appeals court’s 10-to-3 rejection of President Trump’s revised travel ban."

Court says essentially that Trump is not to be believed. Will Supreme Court conclude the same? - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/court-says-essentially-that-trump-is-not-be-believed-will-supreme-court-conclude-the-same/2017/05/28/3cb585c8-423f-11e7-8c25-44d09ff5a4a8_story.html?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.eac546a4b68d)

"But it’s worth another look at the remarkable rhetoric in Chief Judge Roger L. Gregory’s majority opinion, which concludes that Trump’s “true reason” for the travel ban was not protecting the nation’s security but making good on a campaign promise born of anti-Muslim bias.

As Harvard law professor Noah Feldman put it in an essay for Bloomberg News, “It’s extraordinary for a federal court to tell the president directly that he’s lying; I certainly can’t think of any other examples in my lifetime.”

SO, once again I will ask this rhetorical question:

An E.O. is issued. A court decides that it is UN-Constitutional because the author has been known to lie? So, the court is deciding on the merit of who the author is, NOT the validity of the E.O. I believe that the court is overstepping it's authority, by judging the character of the author rather than the validity of the order. Basically, what the court is saying is that Trump has no authority as president of the U.S. of A. and therefore cannot be Commander-in-Chief or sign any future bills.
Sorry, but I do not know of anyone that would find that in the least bit credible. If the same E.O. was passed as a bill, the court would not have any means to judge that it is invalid if they can no longer base it on the author's character.

SO, basically what I am saying is that the character of the court makes them biased and they should recuse themselves from judgement. They cannot make a credible and unbiased judgement on the E.O.

[Sandtrap328]

SO, once again I will ask this rhetorical question:

An E.O. is issued. A court decides that it is UN-Constitutional because the author has been known to lie? So, the court is deciding on the merit of who the author is, NOT the validity of the E.O. I believe that the court is overstepping it's authority, by judging the character of the author rather than the validity of the order. Basically, what the court is saying is that Trump has no authority as president of the U.S. of A. and therefore cannot be Commander-in-Chief or sign any future bills.
Sorry, but I do not know of anyone that would find that in the least bit credible. If the same E.O. was passed as a bill, the court would not have any means to judge that it is invalid if they can no longer base it on the author's character.

SO, basically what I am saying is that the character of the court makes them biased and they should recuse themselves from judgement. They cannot make a credible and unbiased judgement on the E.O.

In the USA, there is a system of checks and balances. The courts are the Judicial Branch. They are blocking an Executive Order from the head of the Executive Branch. It can be appealed further to the Supreme Court.

I understand what you are saying but that is what democracy is like.

[MDLNB]

In the USA, there is a system of checks and balances. The courts are the Judicial Branch. They are blocking an Executive Order from the head of the Executive Branch. It can be appealed further to the Supreme Court.

I understand what you are saying but that is what democracy is like.

I don't' agree. That is when the court oversteps it's authority. When "democracy" is broken.

[wjboyer1]

I don't' agree. That is when the court oversteps it's authority. When "democracy" is broken.

Actually, the court is the ultimate authority. The court decides what is constitutional or not, what is legal or not, what is fair or not......That is why there are levels in the courts, so that legal opinions that are considered in error can be corrected, but the Supreme Court is the LAST WORD. Only a Constitutional Amendment can usurp the judgement of the Supreme Court.

[Don Baldwin]

Actually, the court is the ultimate authority. The court decides what is constitutional or not, what is legal or not, what is fair or not......That is why there are levels in the courts, so that legal opinions that are considered in error can be corrected, but the Supreme Court is the LAST WORD. Only a Constitutional Amendment can usurp the judgement of the Supreme Court.

The SCOTUS is completely corrupt and political...the foxes are appointing/approving who will be guarding the chicken coop from themselves.

[Sandtrap328]

The SCOTUS is completely corrupt and political...the foxes are appointing/approving who will be guarding the chicken coop from themselves.


You don't like it? MOVE to another country! Preferably to Uganda.

[Don Baldwin]

You don't like it? MOVE to another country! Preferably to Uganda.

Where it's just as corrupt AND full of black people?

You have NO problem with a crooked and corrupt president...the leader of the "executive branch" nominating the people who are to oversee what HE wants. And then approved by the crooked and corrupt "legislative branch" who will approve the people THEY want.

It really is the foxes nominating and approving the chicken coop "guards". Those who are appointed to PROTECT the "chickens"...the citizens...the taxpayers.

I want to FIX it...SCOTUS justices should be ELECTED and NOT appointed by the crooks...the corrupt of Washington.

Would you let the students choose their teacher? Their principal? The inmates choose the guards? The warden?

[ColdNoMore]

You don't like it? MOVE to another country! Preferably to Uganda.

LMFAO!!! :1rotfl: :1rotfl: :1rotfl:


:thumbup:

[Rockyrd]

You don't like it? MOVE to another country! Preferably to Uganda.

I know very few on this forum, but wondering if people like MDLND and Baldwin actually live in The Villages ?

Scary that they could even live nearby !!!

[MDLNB]

I know very few on this forum, but wondering if people like MDLND and Baldwin actually live in The Villages ?

Scary that they could even live nearby !!!

Wow Rocky, we think alike. I was just thinking how anyone like you or CNM could possibly be happy living in The Villages. We found something we have in common. I did not suggest that you are common, so don't get upset. :loco: