My Thoughts about an article in Sunday's paper

[Sherrie]

I just wanted to tell you my thoughts on the article that was in the Sunday paper. The whole front page of the Lifestyle section. "Celebrate the Holy Month of Ramadan". I thought it was in bad taste since it's Memorial Day weekend. Ramadan usually spurs on the Muslims to do more bad things during this time. What percentage of people in The Village's do you think have an interest in this? I view it as a slap in the face!

S Hyer

[Taltarzac725]

I just wanted to tell you my thoughts on the article that was in the Sunday paper. The whole front page of the Lifestyle section. "Celebrate the Holy Month of Ramadan". I thought it was in bad taste since it's Memorial Day weekend. Ramadan usually spurs on the Muslims to do more bad things during this time. I want to put a little message on Talk of the Villages about this. What percentage of people in The Village's do you think have an interest in this? I view it as a slap in the face!

S Hyer

I really liked it. But I am a librarian by training and inclination. Good information about others helps build bridges. Most Muslims are very peaceful.

[Sail41]

I agree! Anything more than a sentence is too much. Didn't see a spread like that for Easter, Christmas or Yom Kippur.

[Mrs. Robinson]

I just wanted to tell you my thoughts on the article that was in the Sunday paper. The whole front page of the Lifestyle section. "Celebrate the Holy Month of Ramadan". I thought it was in bad taste since it's Memorial Day weekend. Ramadan usually spurs on the Muslims to do more bad things during this time. I want to put a little message on Talk of the Villages about this. What percentage of people in The Village's do you think have an interest in this? I view it as a slap in the face!

S Hyer

I am incensed by your comment! What religion are you that has instilled such bigotry in you?

I am not well versed in Ramadan, however, I do know that it is a month of fasting -- a peaceful month, and one of the holiest holidays of the religion.
When would you have liked this article to appear?
In August or February, perhaps? Or probably, never!

Why should a local paper not give recognition to a major religion's holy month, regardless of when it falls during the year?
Ramadan follows a lunar calendar and this year it happened to fall during the Memorial Day weekend.
So what!
The press has also given major acknowledgement to our veterans and the Memorial Day holiday.

The press also always has articles relating to Christmas, Chanukah, Easter, Passover, etc., and they are timely published when the holidays are current.

Your comment is waaaayyyyy off base and an embarrassment!
:spoken:

[ColdNoMore]

I am incensed by your comment! What religion are you that has instilled such bigotry in you?

I am not well versed in Ramadan, however, I do know that it is a month of fasting -- a peaceful month, and one of the holiest holidays of the religion.
When would you have liked this article to appear?
In August or February, perhaps? Or probably, never!

Why should a local paper not give recognition to a major religion's holy month, regardless of when it falls during the year?
Ramadan follows a lunar calendar and this year it happened to fall during the Memorial Day weekend.
So what!
The press has also given major acknowledgement to our veterans and the Memorial Day holiday.

The press also always has articles relating to Christmas, Chanukah, Easter, Passover, etc., and they are timely published when the holidays are current.

Your comment is waaaayyyyy off base and an embarrassment!
:spoken:


:bigbow: :bigbow: :bigbow:

[dnobles]

It's sad that people group all Muslims together. Only radical Muslim are violent. I'm far from an expert but have several Friends who are Muslim and they are the kindest people I know.

[redwitch]

Thank you, Mrs. Robinson.

[graciegirl]

I am incensed by your comment! What religion are you that has instilled such bigotry in you?

I am not well versed in Ramadan, however, I do know that it is a month of fasting -- a peaceful month, and one of the holiest holidays of the religion.
When would you have liked this article to appear?
In August or February, perhaps? Or probably, never!

Why should a local paper not give recognition to a major religion's holy month, regardless of when it falls during the year?
Ramadan follows a lunar calendar and this year it happened to fall during the Memorial Day weekend.
So what!
The press has also given major acknowledgement to our veterans and the Memorial Day holiday.

The press also always has articles relating to Christmas, Chanukah, Easter, Passover, etc., and they are timely published when the holidays are current.

Your comment is waaaayyyyy off base and an embarrassment!
:spoken:


Perhaps because as far as I know there aren't Muslims living in The Villages and it isn't relevant.

I would also like to say that I support the temporary ban on immigrants from Muslim Countries that harbor ISIS.. According to an article that I can link from Reuters published four days ago, there are 23000 Islamic Jihadists living in UK. That is a bunch of potentially not peaceful people and I don't want that many living in this country.

UK lowers attack threat level as police close in on bomber's network (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/uk-police-arrest-two-more-in-hunt-for-suicide-bombers-network/ar-BBBzqg3?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp)

[Mrs. Robinson]

Perhaps because as far as I know there aren't Muslims living in The Villages and it isn't relevant.

I would also like to say that I support the temporary ban on immigrants from Muslim Countries that harbor ISIS.. According to an article that I can link from Reuters published four days ago, there are 23000 Islamic Jihadists living in UK. That is a bunch of potentially not peaceful people and I don't want that many living in this country.

UK lowers attack threat level as police close in on bomber's network (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/uk-police-arrest-two-more-in-hunt-for-suicide-bombers-network/ar-BBBzqg3?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp)

Well, I don't know or keep tabs on how many religions are represented in TV, but I would venture to say that there are some Muslims living here.
Logic tells me that based on the population of TV, there are some.

So you say if there are no Muslims living here, it isn't relevant to publish an article about Ramadan in the newspaper?
That is what these posts are all about.
Based on your opinion that it isn't relevant, if there are no monks living here, does that make the topic of monks and their religion of no interest or importance ...
That the paper should never have any kind of article regarding monks?

Regarding Jihadists in the UK, that has no bearing on this topic which is about every day peaceful Muslims.

[redwitch]

According to Sperling's Best Places, 35.56% of Villagers are religious. Of this amount, 0.9% are Muslim. So, I would an article about Ramadan is relevant to many Villagers, including those just curious about the holiday. To say that a newspaper should ignore a high holy holiday because it is not your religion of choice is, at best, narrow minded. The Sun has done an excellent of printing articles about Christianity and Judaism. Nice to see one about Islam. Hoping they do a few more and also articles about Buddhist festivals, Shinto practices, Confucism, Wiccan rites, etc.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I am incensed by your comment! What religion are you that has instilled such bigotry in you?

I am not well versed in Ramadan, however, I do know that it is a month of fasting -- a peaceful month, and one of the holiest holidays of the religion.
When would you have liked this article to appear?
In August or February, perhaps? Or probably, never!

Why should a local paper not give recognition to a major religion's holy month, regardless of when it falls during the year?
Ramadan follows a lunar calendar and this year it happened to fall during the Memorial Day weekend.
So what!
The press has also given major acknowledgement to our veterans and the Memorial Day holiday.

The press also always has articles relating to Christmas, Chanukah, Easter, Passover, etc., and they are timely published when the holidays are current.

Your comment is waaaayyyyy off base and an embarrassment!
:spoken:

I don't know that we can consider Isla a major religion in the United States.

70% of the people in this country identify as Christians, 23% are unaffiliated, 7% are either agnostic or atheists, 1.9% are Jewish and less than 1% are Muslim. There are almost as many Buddhist and Hindus as there are Muslims.

So tell me again why there should be a major article in a newspaper about a religious holiday in a country where less then 1% of the population follow that religion. It makes even less sense if we take into consideration the percentage of Muslims in The Villages where less than one half of one percent of us are Muslims.

I our almost 250 year history, Islam was hardly noticed and hardly spoken about. Now that we are at war with Muslim based organizations, we suddenly need to learn all about the faith and we need to maker sure that they are welcome.

I do realize that there are many peaceful Muslims that mean us no harm. Perhaps the vast majority of them fall into that category. But they have been here in the country for over 200 years and there was hardy a mention of them. Since 9/11 it seems that they have become more important for some reason.

I honestly don't have any problem with a newspaper that wants to run a story about Islam or Ramadan. My question is why? There are simply not very people interested. It might make sense in some areas of the country where there is a large Muslim population, but why would they do it here?

[blueash]

When the newspaper arrived Mrs Blueash said [name masked] is not going to like this.

I am hoping for a couple sentences for Talk Like a Pirate Day on Sept 19th which is an important date for those who are devotees of the FSM.

[graciegirl]

Well, I don't know or keep tabs on how many religions are represented in TV, but I would venture to say that there are some Muslims living here.
Logic tells me that based on the population of TV, there are some.

So you say if there are no Muslims living here, it isn't relevant to publish an article about Ramadan in the newspaper?
That is what these posts are all about.
Based on your opinion that it isn't relevant, if there are no monks living here, does that make the topic of monks and their religion of no interest or importance ...
That the paper should never have any kind of article regarding monks?

Regarding Jihadists in the UK, that has no bearing on this topic which is about every day peaceful Muslims.

I wish to God you were right. I don't think many people could tell you the differences and beliefs of Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism and Taoism, Shinto and Confucianism. In fact many people can't tell you the difference between what a Cistercian Monk and a Jesuit Priest do all day. Or what a Seventh Day Adventist or a Morman believes and does. It is very difficult to know just who is observant in their faith and who is not.

I would say that in the world today, only one religion says that a person should either be observant or dead.

But not all people follow closely the tenants of their faith. Again I say, Thank God.

[ColdNoMore]

when the newspaper arrived mrs blueash said [name masked] is not going to like this.

I am hoping for a couple sentences for talk like a pirate day on sept 19th which is an important date for those who are devotees of the fsm.

Aargggghhh. :D

[graciegirl]

[QUOTE=ColdNoMore;1405487]Aargggghhh. :D[/QUOTE

Did anyone see in the paper about those folks in Manchester last week?

[perrjojo]

My first reaction was surprise but I then read the article and found it informative.

[graciegirl]

My first reaction was surprise but I then read the article and found it informative.

The very best thing always is to learn as much as you possibly can about any subject. And even then, the vagaries of human nature are never what anyone can pin down.

There is a little bit of good in the worst of us and a little bit of bad in the best of us and it is always the atheists who think they know the most about religion.

[EnglishJW]

... it is always the atheists who think they know the most about religion.

Really? I would think they would be indifferent at best. Do you have a source for this?

[graciegirl]

Really? I would think they would be indifferent at best. Do you have a source for this?

That is how it looks to me. It used to be that the folks who didn't believe in God or practice any faith just kind of chilled. Now it appear they are all excited about anything that isn't Christian.

I would like to say that four days out of seven I question the existence of a supreme being. AND like most people who are reading this now, I don't understand or can read Arabic. We are at the mercy of those who tell us what to think.

I am skeptical about all this peace stuff. WHAT IF THAT IS WRONG?

[ColdNoMore]

My first reaction was surprise but I then read the article and found it informative.

:thumbup:

[graciegirl]

For the past 20 years before moving here we had lived near a mosque in a Cincinnati suburb. Actually the mosque opened in 1995.

Islamic Center of Greater Cincinnati (ICGC) (http://cincinnatiislamiccenter.org/)

[graciegirl]

Got it. Racism is OK because it's just someone's view.

Your view is not accepted by half this country and they aren't all racists.

There is nothing that cannot be questioned. It is just as wrong to dismiss people who are afraid of radical Islam.

If God is he gave us common sense and a desire to protect our families.

[circletrack]

Your view is not accepted by half this country and they aren't all racists.

There is nothing that cannot be questioned. It is just as wrong to dismiss people who are afraid of radical Islam.

If God is he gave us common sense and a desire to protect our families.

We are a nation built on religious freedom. But apparently that does not apply to all religions. Obviously it's too late in life to change anyone's mind here.

As a Christian myself I find this all very sad. They definitely don't teach people to be like this in our church.

[ColdNoMore]

We are a nation built on religious freedom. But apparently that does not apply to all religions. Obviously it's too late in life to change anyone's mind here.

As a Christian myself I find this all very sad. They definitely don't teach people to be like this in our church.

Your church sounds admirable. :thumbup:

So sad that there aren't more like it. :ohdear:

[Fraugoofy]

According to Sperling's Best Places, 35.56% of Villagers are religious. Of this amount, 0.9% are Muslim. So, I would an article about Ramadan is relevant to many Villagers, including those just curious about the holiday. To say that a newspaper should ignore a high holy holiday because it is not your religion of choice is, at best, narrow minded. The Sun has done an excellent of printing articles about Christianity and Judaism. Nice to see one about Islam. Hoping they do a few more and also articles about Buddhist festivals, Shinto practices, Confucism, Wiccan rites, etc.
Amen, sista!

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[dnobles]

And most Muslim do not condone killing.

[Bowtorc]

One day it will happen close to us . How would you feel today if one of your children was among the dead or injured?

[Mrs. Robinson]

I don't know that we can consider Isla a major religion in the United States.

70% of the people in this country identify as Christians, 23% are unaffiliated, 7% are either agnostic or atheists, 1.9% are Jewish and less than 1% are Muslim. There are almost as many Buddhist and Hindus as there are Muslims.

I consider the Muslim religion a major religion because of a few things. Unfortunately, the Jihadists and their ilk are part of this. Islam is heard and seen in the news and read in the papers every day. It is the fastest growing religion in the world today and is the second largest religion in the world. I would venture to say that in 50 years, it will surpass Christianity. No, we won't be around to see this, but I believe this will happen.


So tell me again why there should be a major article in a newspaper about a religious holiday in a country where less then 1% of the population follow that religion. It makes even less sense if we take into consideration the percentage of Muslims in The Villages where less than one half of one percent of us are Muslims.

The percentage of any population has nothing to do with the news, be it political, religious or anything else. Unless a person wants to go through life with blinders on, fine. Don't read anything. But most intelligent people want to know about things of interest, things where they might want a better understanding, things they might not be aware of, etc. I could give you many reasons why someone would like to read about something with which they don't have much familiarity.

I our almost 250 year history, Islam was hardly noticed and hardly spoken about. Now that we are at war with Muslim based organizations, we suddenly need to learn all about the faith and we need to maker sure that they are welcome.


Exactly! And without learning about something, you are at a disadvantage; you are ignorant. You can't discuss it, you don't and won't understand it and if there is a problem with it, you will never be able to do anything positive or anything about it. Because of the world situation, yes -- it is absolutely necessary that we, as Americans, need to learn about the Muslim people and the Islam religion.

I do realize that there are many peaceful Muslims that mean us no harm. Perhaps the vast majority of them fall into that category. But they have been here in the country for over 200 years and there was hardy a mention of them. Since 9/11 it seems that they have become more important for some reason.

"For some reason." Are you serious??? When al-Qaeda hijacked our planes and did those suicide attacks that wasn't reason enough? What happened on September 11th, was the stimulus for what is going on now and why it is the one of the most important things happening in the world today.

I honestly don't have any problem with a newspaper that wants to run a story about Islam or Ramadan. My question is why? There are simply not very people interested. It might make sense in some areas of the country where there is a large Muslim population, but why would they do it here?

If you have to ask why, then you absolutely do have a problem with a paper running a feature about Islam or Ramadan! I don't know you or the people with whom you associate, but I can tell you that 95% of my friends and acquaintances find this kind of article interesting. This is how we all learn and become better informed. This kind of thing is how we become better educated.

Again -- a Muslim population has nothing to do with this kind of article appearing in any newspaper. Perhaps you want to go back to the "Fun with Dick and Jane" era or the Alfred E. Newman comic books. That way you won't have to keep up with the news or live with your ears and eyes open regarding what is going on in this ever-changing dangerous world. ...

[Mrs. Robinson]

And most Muslim do not condone killing.

The religion, Islam, does not condone murder of any kind.

I've wondered how al-Qaeda, the Jihadists, etc., justify what they do under the guise of religion.:shrug:

[Buffalo Jim]

" I honestly don't have any problem with a newspaper that wants to run a story about Islam or Ramadan. My question is why? There are simply not very people interested. It might make sense in some areas of the country where there is a large Muslim population, but why would they do it here? "

The above is a quote taken from Post 32 above .

The writer raises a very good question when they say " my question is why ".

Actually , if you have had any experience behind the scenes in media you would get a sense of the unending pressure on the Editors of each section to get out their " product " each and every day . So they have a standing meeting every few days and ask for suggestions from the paper's writers as to major topics to write about .
The writers / journalists want to build their resume and of course keep their jobs so they come up with new topics . I can envision such a " blue-sky " session when one sharp young ambitious writer says " hey it`s the most Holy Month for Islam . How about a major article ".
The Editor says " OK great ! Make it long enough and I will use it for Sunday`s paper " . It`s no more than that frankly .
There is space to fill 7 days a week and what are we going to make a feature article next ? I have a 9PM deadline each and every day . I doubt many of us would want those jobs . I have seen what goes into putting out a large metro daily paper from inside and it is a high pressure operation .

[Mrs. Robinson]

According to Sperling's Best Places, 35.56% of Villagers are religious. Of this amount, 0.9% are Muslim. So, I would an article about Ramadan is relevant to many Villagers, including those just curious about the holiday. To say that a newspaper should ignore a high holy holiday because it is not your religion of choice is, at best, narrow minded. The Sun has done an excellent of printing articles about Christianity and Judaism. Nice to see one about Islam. Hoping they do a few more and also articles about Buddhist festivals, Shinto practices, Confucism, Wiccan rites, etc.

An excellent response!

I, too, would like to see more diverse articles on non-every-day things, including some of the lesser known religions.

I still have a little room left in my brain to learn more.

[circletrack]

One day it will happen close to us . How would you feel today if one of your children was among the dead or injured?

I would feel terrible. Much like I would about the thousands of other shootings, bombings and other tragedies that have absolutely nothing to do with religion.

[graciegirl]

The religion, Islam, does not condone murder of any kind. They do extol martyrdom.

I've wondered how al-Qaeda, the Jihadists, etc., justify what they do under the guise of religion.:shrug:

They ARE Islamic. A jihadist is a Muslim who has declared war on non believers.

what is a jihadist - Bing (https://www.bing.com/search?q=what+is+a+jihadist&form=EDGHPT&qs=DA&cvid=17b3181e84d343798911a64639f0e32a&cc=US&setlang=en-US&elv=AXXfrEiqqD9r3GuelwApuloqDYYEiGZKWo%21lyIXa00Y7 BujHHgk8W3toUY7PACnO*HHoWsvYFiC2ONd9EdSzAjt6kLabNj 1*w%214EKKCp2S5W)

Many people confuse Islam with peaceful religions like Budhism.

[manaboutown]

Wasn't their prophet, Muhammed, a pedophile because when at about age 50 he married a six or seven year old girl, Aisha?

Supposedly he waited until she attained the age of nine (whoopee!) to consummate the marriage when he was age 53.

No offense but that makes me want to puke.

His first marriage was at age 25 to a wealthy 40 year old woman...what a guy!

[Marine4Yeshua]

Americans have been lulled to sleep with regard to Islam by liberals, globalists and the MSM. Islam is an ideology. Sharia is the fascist law that is above every other law, even the constitution. No Sharia compliant, Islamist (whether conservative, moderate or radical) can swear allegiance to anything above Sharia, except and unless they lie. And, Muslims are allowed to lie to further Islam.

Americans need to be informed. Below are excepts from the Koran:
• Infidels are those who declare: “God is the Christ, the son of Mary” (Sura 5:17)
• Infidels are those that say “God is one of three in a Trinity” (Sura 5:73)
• Believers, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies (Sura 5:51)
• Believers, do not make friends with those who have incurred the wrath of Allah (Sura 60:13)
• Infidels are your sworn enemies (Sura 4:101)
• Make war on the infidels who dwell around you (Sura 9:123)
• Prophet, make war on the infidels (Sura 66:9)
• When you meet the infidel in the battlefield strike off their heads (Sura 47:4)
• Muhammad is Allah’s apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the infidels (Sura 48:29)

The Marines were called upon in the early 1800's to deal with the Barbary pirates and slavery of American citizens and sailors. Marines are called "leathernecks" because they wore wide leather collars to keep from being beheaded by the Barbary Muslims.

A quick intro article can be found on WND by Bill Federer - "The Treaty of Tripoli: Not what atheists think." (I'm new and the site would not let me link)

What is happening in America today is know as cultural jihadism. Look up Kamal Saleem or Walid Shoebat's testimony on YouTube. They were Muslim terrorists sent to the US to infiltrate, but both found Jesus and his whole life changed. Their testimonies are eye-opening and very informative.

[rubicon]

As this nation continues its march toward secularism we continue to promote other religions while we ignore the anti Christian propaganda which continues to grow in this nation. we were a nation founded on the Judaeo-Christian faiths

Personal Best Regards:

[doran]

We were in Turkey during Ramadan, and found the faithful to be as any other God based religion to be. We celebrated with them the day the time of fasting and reflection was over, and it was a wonderful experience going from house to house with treats and sweets. People are now Muslim phobic the same way they were homo phobic in the 70's and 80's. Please do not speak from a point of ignorance. Plus what my religious belief happens to be is protected by the constitution of the USA....... People who hate others for no reason, other than their own narrow mindedness, are always on the path to unhappiness. In this case I am sure this thread was started to provoke, rather than state the true views of the person who started it. Bad taste indeed!

[graciegirl]

We were in Turkey during Ramadan, and found the faithful to be as any other God based religion to be. We celebrated with them the day the time of fasting and reflection was over, and it was a wonderful experience going from house to house with treats and sweets. People are now Muslim phobic the same way they were homo phobic in the 70's and 80's. Please do not speak from a point of ignorance. Plus what my religious belief happens to be is protected by the constitution of the USA....... People who hate others for no reason, other than their own narrow mindedness, are always on the path to unhappiness. In this case I am sure this thread was started to provoke, rather than state the true views of the person who started it. Bad taste indeed!

I think I remember that your wife was a travel agent in California. Did she arrange for the house to house treats experience?

Were you aware of the Muslim religious views on homosexuality? I believe that speaking from a point of ignorance is not the case here for some of us.

Not sure when you were there last. Just to remind you of some not so tourist friendly events in Turkey recently. List of terrorist incidents in Turkey (2016) | ElSurveillance (http://gccdaily.com/gulf-news/list-of-terrorist-incidents-in-turkey-2016-2/)

Here is the current State Department Travel Advisory to Turkey; Turkey Travel Warning (https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/turkey-travel-warning.html)

[salpal]

Thank you Mrs. Robinson and Redwitch.....what is wrong about learning about other cultures/religions? Would you be offended by an article about the Amish, for example? Hard to believe such small minds still exist.

[Bonny]

Thank you Mrs. Robinson and Redwitch.....what is wrong about learning about other cultures/religions? Would you be offended by an article about the Amish, for example? Hard to believe such small minds still exist.
I agree! I found it interesting.

[Taltarzac725]

I had a close friend at the University of Denver Graduate School of Librarianship and Information Management in 1983-1984. Mahmood Mohammad. He was a cataloger at the University of Mosul in Iraq and a devout Muslim. He also introduced me to some of the other Muslims/Arabs at the U of Denver. Many from different Middle Eastern countries. Mahmood's brother was high up in Saddam Hussein's military. Maybe even a general.

I kept up a correspondence with Mahmood as the Iran-Iraq War went on. His views of the West became more and more intolerant so we eventually both broke off the letters exchanged. Iran-Iraq War - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com (http://www.history.com/topics/iran-iraq-war)

I doubt if any of the Muslims/Arabs he introduced me to felt the same way about the West as Muslim because of his brother and the very bloody Iran-Iraq War that was going on then.

Now in Mosul where fighting rages against ISIS I will bet that a lot of the Muslims there have complicated ideas about the West especially after they have seen the medieval barbarity of ISIS.

Have no idea what happened with Mahmood and the U of Mosul Library. It seemed to have been used with other buildings of the U of Mosul as headquarters or something else --the development of improvised explosive devices-- by ISIS.

My point is it is important to take these things in their proper geographic and historical context.

Muslims fighting in Iraq are going to be for the most part extremely different from those you find in Leesburg and Ocala.

My old friend Mahmood near the Garden of the Gods in Colorado Springs, CO.

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k210/taltarzac725/MahmoodJMohammad001_zps517040a4.jpg

Home - Garden of the Gods Visitor Center (http://www.gardenofgods.com/)

[doran]

I sure wish you people were as smart and well informed about the real world, rather than what you hear and read. Truth be known, most folks in the USA have never left the country to first hand experience the way things are in different cultures and religions of the world. Until you can say you have seen this Islamic Jihad and the way it is shunned by the majority of Islam, this is nothing but one persons opinion. If anyone wants to take personal offense to what I have to say, as the last comment, bring it on. You have no business singling me out personally and I take offense. Last time I checked, you are not the moderator.

[Allegiance]

Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (https://www.venganza.org/)

What defines a religion?

Imo, Any group can legally be deemed a terrorist organization.

UK: What British Muslims Really Think (https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7861/british-muslims-survey)

Half of all British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal, poll finds | UK news | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law)

There is almost no such thing as a lone Wolf. Notice all the arrests afterwards. All that knew of the plan are terrorists as well, and it's a wide web.

The technological Advance of weapons will necessitate the reduction of certain rights in order to preserve mankind.



" tragically, in the high probability that advanced civilizations destroy themselves"

Charles Krauthammer and the Fermi Paradox | The Sensuous Curmudgeon (https://sensuouscurmudgeon.wordpress.com/2011/12/30/charles-krauthammer-and-the-fermi-paradox/)

[Taltarzac725]

The responses here are very eye opening indeed.

But I don't believe that understanding or being welcoming to someone else that is different than you has anything to do with politics.

I now fear for what a thread on the civil rights movement would divulge here.

I found this story about a Midwestern US raised Muslim woman now living in Seattle very interesting.

What Can You Do to Broaden Your Worldview? Have Dinner with Your Muslim Neighbor - Food & Drink - The Stranger (http://www.thestranger.com/food-and-drink/2016/08/19/24487443/what-can-you-do-to-broaden-your-worldview-have-dinner-with-your-muslim-neighbor)

I remember eating with Mahmood. His wife and kids were always kept in another room away from me and also from the Muslim friends Mahmood had over. If they had wives and kids they might mingle though.

Mahmood always insisted that I clean my plate and I would often leave quite full.

He would pray five times a day. Was repulsed by various things in US culture like many of the shows on TV.

Invited me to visit him in Iraq and talked about the wonders of Babylon. Babylon - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon) Had a keen interest in books but not so much of things of the West.

[graciegirl]

I found this story about a Midwestern US raised Muslim woman now living in Seattle very interesting.

What Can You Do to Broaden Your Worldview? Have Dinner with Your Muslim Neighbor - Food & Drink - The Stranger (http://www.thestranger.com/food-and-drink/2016/08/19/24487443/what-can-you-do-to-broaden-your-worldview-have-dinner-with-your-muslim-neighbor)

I remember eating with Mahmood. His wife and kids were always kept in another room away from me and also from the Muslim friends Mahmood had over. If they had wives and kids they might mingle though.

Mahmood always insisted that I clean my plate and I would often leave quite full.

He would pray five times a day. ]Was repulsed by various things in US culture like many of the shows on TV.
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Invited me to visit him in Iraq and talked about the wonders of Babylon. Babylon - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon) Had a keen interest in books but not so much of things of the West.


How did he feel about dogs?

[ColdNoMore]

I sure wish you people were as smart and well informed about the real world, rather than what you hear and read. Truth be known, most folks in the USA have never left the country to first hand experience the way things are in different cultures and religions of the world. Until you can say you have seen this Islamic Jihad and the way it is shunned by the majority of Islam, this is nothing but one persons opinion. If anyone wants to take personal offense to what I have to say, as the last comment, bring it on. You have no business singling me out personally and I take offense.

Last time I checked, you are not the moderator.

You nailed it! :BigApplause:



And along the lines of what you've said...comes to mind one of my favorite quotes. :thumbup:



“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.”

[graciegirl]

Most Support Temporary Ban on Newcomers from Terrorist Havens - Rasmussen Reports™ (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/immigration/january_2017/most_support_temporary_ban_on_newcomers_from_terro rist_havens)

[Taltarzac725]

How did he feel about dogs?

He thought they were very dirty. Dogs in Islam | Animals in Islam (http://www.animalsinislam.com/islam-animal-rights/dogs/)

I have run into Muslims at Doggie Doo Run Run though and they seemed OK with dogs.

[Allegiance]

You nailed it! :BigApplause:



And along the lines of what you've said...comes to mind one of my favorite quotes. [emoji106]
BILL MAHER GETS ISLAM MAKES A FOOL OF CHARLIE ROSE - YouTube (https://youtu.be/XCUpgZaClZA)

[Allegiance]

MUSLIMS WILL NOT ASSIMILATE. CHRISTIANS ALWAYS ASSIMILATE. WHY? IT’S IN THE RELIGION AND THE BOOKS: THE QURAN vs. THE BIBLE | Act! Pittsburgh (https://actpittsburgh.wordpress.com/2015/12/15/muslims-will-not-assimilate-christians-always-assimilate-why-its-in-the-religion-and-the-books-the-quran-vs-the-bible/)

[Taltarzac725]

He thought they were very dirty. Dogs in Islam | Animals in Islam (http://www.animalsinislam.com/islam-animal-rights/dogs/)

I have run into Muslims at Doggie Doo Run Run though and they seemed OK with dogs.

Now the other Arabs/Muslims I met in Denver would probably have different views of dogs as each one came from different countries. My Professor for Cataloging was Egyptian-- Professor M. Nabib Hamdy. Not sure if he was a Muslim though.

[manaboutown]

Prior to Muhammed coming on the scene the Arab world had a relatively advanced civilization. It excelled in mathematics, science and astronomy. We got our number system from them. As Islam spread advances came to a screeching halt.

A woman minister I know spent considerable time in the middle east. She told me some amazing stories one of which I recall vividly. She was in a village containing a deep well which was just a hole in the ground. Every once in a while a child would fall into the well and drown. When she asked why they did not build a wall around the well to prevent such tragedies they informed her that such occurrences were Allah's will. They remarkably did not build a wall around the hole to prevent such future tragedies.

[Taltarzac725]

Prior to Muhammed coming on the scene the Arab world had a relatively advanced civilization. It excelled in mathematics, science and astronomy. We got our number system from them. As Islam spread advances came to a screeching halt.

A woman minister I know spent considerable time in the middle east. She told me some amazing stories one of which I recall vividly. She was in a village containing a deep well which was just a hole in the ground. Every once in a while a child would fall into the well and drown. When she asked why they did not build a wall around the well to prevent such tragedies they informed her that such occurrences were Allah's will. They remarkably did not build a wall around the hole to prevent such future tragedies.

That's kind of medieval thinking with respect to holding that God or whatever permeates everything that happens. Kings and other depots made great use of it in the Divine Right of Kings. Divine right of kings - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_right_of_kings) BBC Radio 4 - In Our Time, The Divine Right of Kings (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0080xph)

[graciegirl]

Where Do Terrorists Come From? Not the Nations Named in Trump Ban (http://www.newsweek.com/where-do-terrorists-come-not-seven-countries-named-550581)




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The countries named in Trump's ban are;

Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen,

isis in syria 2017 - Bing (https://www.bing.com/search?q=isis+in+syria+2017&form=EDGHPT&qs=AS&cvid=e8a74bc2f9874dca9fe8ef4a908aa4e4&cc=US&setlang=en-US&elv=AXXfrEiqqD9r3GuelwApulouyMypQxMKB*1tz%21h*Lw1V KCJQlEORfE0Fxi4uGvXmwtcAYmIaRLwFD4hWEPZfpx8y5UOmsx 1BiVtjiAypT%21A%21)

isis in iraq - Bing (https://www.bing.com/search?q=isis+in+iraq&form=EDGHPT&qs=PF&cvid=d2c3a45e995a43cebc0a6f98217db1f3&cc=US&setlang=en-US&elv=AXXfrEiqqD9r3GuelwApulouyMypQxMKB*1tz%21h*Lw1V daSu92OQMKuNcb4KSDp6oOg7Z5tmbSqpCqvdnDIMznQB6gbnfe qugAdzM9ZOliWw)

isis in iran 2016 - Bing (https://www.bing.com/search?q=isis+in+iran+2016&form=EDGHPT&qs=AS&cvid=9f5ad0d722f647c8901741407495e995&cc=US&setlang=en-US&elv=AXXfrEiqqD9r3GuelwApulouyMypQxMKB*1tz%21h*Lw1V 4mnktf*2sdWbj70pj78Nm*B2OgcMxbYYkuSa9XnGQQDdsa2QAG *SsnanmTgUNDSy)

isis in libya today - Bing (https://www.bing.com/search?q=isis+in+libya+today&form=EDGHPT&qs=AS&cvid=129f5521e49f4605b6d93a9f03d238af&cc=US&setlang=en-US&elv=AXXfrEiqqD9r3GuelwApulouyMypQxMKB*1tz%21h*Lw1V DS1THGHhJi5ty%21K292lRRRjgLnkkAi9JePrnST8VWxnLQRtd E1lezbfCxvcjr5tQ)

I can easily site the rest if you want to read them.

[Taltarzac725]

The countries named in Trump's ban are;

Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen,

isis in syria 2017 - Bing (https://www.bing.com/search?q=isis+in+syria+2017&form=EDGHPT&qs=AS&cvid=e8a74bc2f9874dca9fe8ef4a908aa4e4&cc=US&setlang=en-US&elv=AXXfrEiqqD9r3GuelwApulouyMypQxMKB*1tz%21h*Lw1V KCJQlEORfE0Fxi4uGvXmwtcAYmIaRLwFD4hWEPZfpx8y5UOmsx 1BiVtjiAypT%21A%21)

isis in iraq - Bing (https://www.bing.com/search?q=isis+in+iraq&form=EDGHPT&qs=PF&cvid=d2c3a45e995a43cebc0a6f98217db1f3&cc=US&setlang=en-US&elv=AXXfrEiqqD9r3GuelwApulouyMypQxMKB*1tz%21h*Lw1V daSu92OQMKuNcb4KSDp6oOg7Z5tmbSqpCqvdnDIMznQB6gbnfe qugAdzM9ZOliWw)

isis in iran 2016 - Bing (https://www.bing.com/search?q=isis+in+iran+2016&form=EDGHPT&qs=AS&cvid=9f5ad0d722f647c8901741407495e995&cc=US&setlang=en-US&elv=AXXfrEiqqD9r3GuelwApulouyMypQxMKB*1tz%21h*Lw1V 4mnktf*2sdWbj70pj78Nm*B2OgcMxbYYkuSa9XnGQQDdsa2QAG *SsnanmTgUNDSy)

isis in libya today - Bing (https://www.bing.com/search?q=isis+in+libya+today&form=EDGHPT&qs=AS&cvid=129f5521e49f4605b6d93a9f03d238af&cc=US&setlang=en-US&elv=AXXfrEiqqD9r3GuelwApulouyMypQxMKB*1tz%21h*Lw1V DS1THGHhJi5ty%21K292lRRRjgLnkkAi9JePrnST8VWxnLQRtd E1lezbfCxvcjr5tQ)

I can easily site the rest if you want to read them.

But not where Trump has personal business nor where the more sophisticated terrorists have come from like Saudia Arabia. I mean the 9/11 terrorists. September 11th Hijackers Fast Facts - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/27/us/september-11th-hijackers-fast-facts/)

[graciegirl]

But not where Trump has personal business nor where the more sophisticated terrorists have come from like Saudia Arabia. I mean the 9/11 terrorists. September 11th Hijackers Fast Facts - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/27/us/september-11th-hijackers-fast-facts/)



I am satisfied that the countries in the ban are ones that should be in the ban if only the damned federal judges would let it stand.

[TheDude]

Everyone is anti-racist until someone you don't identify with moves next door to you which comes with their visiting family and their 19-23 year old sons who visit Syria/Afghan often). There is a lot of high-horses here. None of you would move to Fuller Park in Chicago. And I really bet its a rare bird if any of you would want assimilation in THIER neighborhood.

As to the newspaper article, their job is selling papers, and they use multiple sources to fill the pages. Nothing wrong with the paper. We do have to realize that in other places in the world you would not see Christmas posted in their paper. Be glad we only have to read it. Everyone is also allowed their opinion, and those who post they are so welcoming should think that others truly are fearful and you should respect them. Don't throw rocks in glass houses as their may be something in your closet that others may not agree with.

Back to the Muslim religion. They are the terrorists for most part (yes, there is a rare bird who snapped). Muslims changed the world (airports, police with assault weapons, watching for bags without owners). Until it happens once, I cannot recall an 80 year old grandmother terrorist suicide bomber however that 80 year old grandmother has to take off her shoes at the airport and even be patted down to be politically correct. makes no sense at all. I believe every terrorist had a family and their family knew/knows something wasn't right. And not reporting it is as bad as actually doing it. They should be responsible also, and sadly, they may be good practicing Muslims.

How do you fix it? Probably can't but can weaken them. Its now a fact of life. Muslim isn't a nationality, its a choice, and so are radical Muslims. US and UN just needs to drone and kill the bad guys; and then soon the leaders of ISIS will not be as smart as the dead ones. Then it will be easier to catch the mistakes. Its all that can be done.

To conclude: The newspaper article wasn't bad, but it pushed buttons of those with fears and who thought is was disrespectful and it was expressed.

To each their own; I'm on the side of drones and going after their families (and they happen to all be Muslim, know matter the group of Muslim they are) and on the side of not patting down 80 year old grandmothers at the airport. Sorry if you don't like it.

[manaboutown]

Thomas Jefferson was the first American President who stood up to Muslim terrorism. In his day it was the Barbary Coast pirates who were about as inhumane as today's Muslim terrorists. He sent the US Marines who developed and used leather collars to protect themselves from beheadings by swords during battles. Thus Marines became known as leathernecks.

[circletrack]

Everyone is anti-racist until someone you don't identify with moves next door to you which comes with their visiting family and their 19-23 year old sons who visit Syria/Afghan often). There is a lot of high-horses here. None of you would move to Fuller Park in Chicago. And I really bet its a rare bird if any of you would want assimilation in THIER neighborhood.

As to the newspaper article, their job is selling papers, and they use multiple sources to fill the pages. Nothing wrong with the paper. We do have to realize that in other places in the world you would not see Christmas posted in their paper. Be glad we only have to read it. Everyone is also allowed their opinion, and those who post they are so welcoming should think that others truly are fearful and you should respect them. Don't throw rocks in glass houses as their may be something in your closet that others may not agree with.

Back to the Muslim religion. They are the terrorists for most part (yes, there is a rare bird who snapped). Muslims changed the world (airports, police with assault weapons, watching for bags without owners). Until it happens once, I cannot recall an 80 year old grandmother terrorist suicide bomber however that 80 year old grandmother has to take off her shoes at the airport and even be patted down to be politically correct. makes no sense at all. I believe every terrorist had a family and their family knew/knows something wasn't right. And not reporting it is as bad as actually doing it. They should be responsible also, and sadly, they may be good practicing Muslims.

How do you fix it? Probably can't but can weaken them. Its now a fact of life. Muslim isn't a nationality, its a choice, and so are radical Muslims. US and UN just needs to drone and kill the bad guys; and then soon the leaders of ISIS will not be as smart as the dead ones. Then it will be easier to catch the mistakes. Its all that can be done.

To conclude: The newspaper article wasn't bad, but it pushed buttons of those with fears and who thought is was disrespectful and it was expressed.

To each their own; I'm on the side of drones and going after their families (and they happen to all be Muslim, know matter the group of Muslim they are) and on the side of not patting down 80 year old grandmothers at the airport. Sorry if you don't like it.

I 100% understand that people are afraid. And it's unfortunate. IMO their fears have grown for the wrong reasons including religious discrimination and racism.

No, I would not want to move into Fuller park. And not because of the color of the skin or religion of the people that live there. But because of the crime rate. I have the ability to separate the two.

[Taltarzac725]

Thomas Jefferson was the first American President who stood up to Muslim terrorism. In his day it was the Barbary Coast pirates who were about as inhumane as today's Muslim terrorists. He sent the US Marines who developed and used leather collars to protect themselves from beheadings by swords during battles. Thus Marines became known as leathernecks.

They were pirates. Not known to be a nice class of people by in large.

[golfing eagles]

I 100% understand that people are afraid. And it's unfortunate. IMO their fears have grown for the wrong reasons including religious discrimination and racism.

No, I would not want to move into Fuller park. And not because of the color of the skin or religion of the people that live there. But because of the crime rate. I have the ability to separate the two.

No, their fear has grown because of beheadings, suicide bombers and mass shootings. They would feel the same way towards Lutherans if they were the terrorists

Just as it is unfair to judge all Muslims by the jihadists, it is unfair to blame animus towards the terrorists on "discrimination and racism"---they reap what they sow

[Fredman]

Muslims breed like rabbits so they can gradually take over cities. As far as fasting goes, don't be fooled. They fast all day then party all night.

[golfing eagles]

Muslims breed like rabbits so they can gradually take over cities. As far as fasting goes, don't be fooled. They fast all day then party all night.

I've heard walk like an Egyptian and party like it's 1999-----but party like a Muslim? I guess that's just about as racist as the rest of your post

My high school graduating class on Long Island totaled 99, and 2 of them died on 9/11/01, so I have no love for jihadists----note JIHADISTS, not MUSLIMS. But to judge all Muslims by ISIS is like judging Southern Baptists by the KKK or Roman Catholics by the Spanish Inquisition or all Cambodians by Pol Pot. And " breed like rabbits so they can gradually take over cities."????? Please replace your tin foil hat-----immediately!

[CFrance]

Thank you, Mrs. Robinson.
ditto, redwitch > Mrs. Robinson.

[golfing eagles]

After 75 posts, here's my take on this:

Is there anything wrong with a newspaper article on Islam?--------NO
Do you have to read the article?--------NO
Do you have to subscribe to the paper?----NO
Do you have to like jihadists?-----NO
Do you have to like Muslims-------NO
Do you have to like Methodists-----NO

Someone compared jihadists to homophobia in the 70's----It is NOT the same thing. I don't remember any gay activists beheading people, or blowing them into pieces just because they were heterosexual.

As far as immigration from Syria/Iraq/etc. goes----
If you are a farmer, do you let a fox into the henhouse? Even if there are 100 "vegetarian foxes" for every one that thinks your hens are finger-lickin' good, you don't let it in since you cannot tell the difference until AFTER the carnage has ensued.

So to all those that advocate open borders and letting unvetted refugees into the US, would you take 5 Muslim men in their 20's into your home to live with you and your grandchildren? If so, I applaud your devotion to your principles and wish you good luck with your new "friends", odds are that you will have no problem. But if you are unwilling to do so, please don't expect the rest of the country to take the gamble that you rejected.

[CFrance]

One day it will happen close to us . How would you feel today if one of your children was among the dead or injured?
One day some jerk of any faith will kill some of us. How do you know who it will be?

[manaboutown]

One day some jerk of any faith will kill some of us. How do you know who it will be?

Although it is obviously impossible to accurately predict a single seemingly random act occurring statistical analysis is valuable in predicting who it is likely to be so protective measures can be taken and an effective defense prepared.

[Allegiance]

One day some jerk of any faith will kill some of us. How do you know who it will be?
By a little thing which has been given a bad name...

Offender profiling - Wikipedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offender_profiling)


The actual future of mankind hinges on successfully fighting this. Being overly PC is what the enemy wants from us.

[circletrack]

My thoughts on this discussion are similar to my thoughts on the ongoing police brutality/shooting incidents

Are some cops bad? Yes, but that doesn't make all cops bad, which unfortunately is becoming a growing sentiment.

In this scenario, many here are labeling an entire religious group as terrorists. When an unbelievably small percentage are radicals, using the religion as a guise for world domination.

Yet I bet these same people are the ones lighting up blue lights in support of police. (Which I find nothing wrong with).

This is about much more than just fear.

[Sandtrap328]

Thomas Jefferson was the first American President who stood up to Muslim terrorism. In his day it was the Barbary Coast pirates who were about as inhumane as today's Muslim terrorists. He sent the US Marines who developed and used leather collars to protect themselves from beheadings by swords during battles. Thus Marines became known as leathernecks.

The Barbary Coast pirates used cutlasses at that time. The Marines also used cutlasses. The firearms of those days were single shot pistols and rifles.

The leather collars were used as personal armor against cutlass wounds to the neck.

Leather Neck always sounded better than Gyrene or Jar Head.